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Title: Misfits Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 15, 2020, 07:24:20 PM
So, what's everyone up to this year?

It's a big one for us as Mrs. 847 is retiring in March.

We just got back from Cabo, and we'll head to Florida next month, for a week.

Then, in March (after the retirement), we head to Lima, Peru to hop on a cruise ship. It will make its way to Miami, via the Panama Canal (that the USA built and Carter gave away). This has been on my list for a long time, so I'm really excited.

We'll probably end up buying a home in Florida this year.


Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 15, 2020, 07:56:40 PM
I'm not sure about man cutting waterways between oceans, but with a little foresight they could have made it wider
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 15, 2020, 08:04:30 PM
I just got back from Texas, didn't want to come back in this weather, but I can't retire yet.

Anyone know of someone looking for an old fat guy to make good money for 5 or 6 years south of Kansas, I'm your man.

Might make a trip to play golf in Sedona in March

if not Sedona in MArch, maybe another trip to Texas in late Feb.

Then a summer of work and golf

possibly a late summer trip the the SF Bay area with my daughters
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 16, 2020, 06:59:53 AM
Sedona is kinda chilly in March still. But, it's a beautiful place. Almost every time we visit the PHX area, my brother-in-law flies us up there for lunch in his plane (he's in a club).
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on January 16, 2020, 07:51:15 AM
Sedona really is beautiful.

I suggest moving to California.  I hear that it's the place you oughtta be.

Sorry I missed you Fearless, just too much going on these past few weeks. That's our usual for right after the Holidays, oddly enough everything calms again from now through March or so. Hope you had a great visit and that your brother is AOK.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on January 16, 2020, 08:04:28 AM
With our build, sell and move finally out of the way, I do look forward to a 'normal' year, but the sale of our business has altered that a bit this winter/spring, incredibly busy time.   Somehow I've managed to avoid trips to NYC lately, which is really hard to do in my business, that streak ends here in the next month.  I can check out all of the big renovations at LaGuardia that people have been touting.

I'm pretty sure my wife and I are taking the kids to Alaska this year.    We've been talking about this for a bit, and it is time.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on January 16, 2020, 09:24:46 AM
Going to remodel the kitchen for sure.Getting prices now for cabinet refacing,counter tops with an additional cabinet or two.If they're all as costly as the last estimate,well then I'm going on the cheap and doing it myself - with a buddy whose an electrician.Prolly take us two weeks with a temporary kitchen in the basement - fun times
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 16, 2020, 09:29:45 AM
We've lived through remodels. It's painful - especially the master bath one. Kitchen, in the summer, isn't so bad because you can cook outside.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on January 16, 2020, 09:50:24 AM
We just repainted the interior and replaced the floors in the house and that was painful enough.  Went to hardwoods in the living/dining rooms and master bedroom, and replaced the original builder carpet with something much better throughout the upstairs.  That was pretty painful, basically like moving, but in and out of the same house.  Everything had to be boxed and stowed in the few areas that weren't getting new floors.  I don't plan on doing that again, until we're selling/moving for good.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 16, 2020, 12:36:17 PM
We did some painting of accent walls in the house recently, as well as repainting our fireplace and re-tiling around the fireplace and entryway. Generally I don't like doing much (even paint) in a rental, but we've decided we plan to live here a few more years before we buy something of our own, so it was worth it to get rid of the hideous paint/tile on the fireplace.

And of course now I'm also building/extending a fence. One of the driving factors in staying put for a while is that the landlord has allowed me to get a family dog, but required that the fence in the backyard be extended from ~3' high to 5-6' high. The cost to hire a contractor to do it would probably be prohibitive, but with a little elbow grease I can handle it on the cheap. I set the posts I needed last Sunday, and I'll be replacing the 3' pickets with 6' pickets this weekend.

All this has to get done so our perfect little Golden Retriever puppy can come home next Saturday!
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 16, 2020, 05:36:13 PM
We did painting in our rental, and I replaced the "funeral home" light fixtures. I kept the old ones for the landlord, so when we leave I can either take mine, or charge him for them. He paid for the paint, but we did it. Also put up some new window treatments, and kept the old ones... same deal.

It's a pain, but it's modern, and "home" for us while we wait to move to Florida.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 16, 2020, 08:36:53 PM
Sedona really is beautiful.

I suggest moving to California.  I hear that it's the place you oughtta be.

Sorry I missed you Fearless, just too much going on these past few weeks. That's our usual for right after the Holidays, oddly enough everything calms again from now through March or so. Hope you had a great visit and that your brother is AOK.
no trouble utee,
As I said, I was busy as well.  The weather was perfect and required early lunches to get in 18 before dark.
It doesn't appear that I will be making the trip to Sedona in March, so another trip to visit my brother could easily happen in February.
Speaking of the brother, he's AOK.  Since he's still working at UT-Arlington, he's trying to talk the wife into moving up there.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MichiFan87 on January 16, 2020, 11:41:08 PM
It goes without saying that I'm just trying to keep my sanity living in DC now....

...I'm also still in the process of becoming self-employed, since I know I don't fit in the corporate world, even in the clean energy space. I think I've found enough entrepreneurs to work with, but they just don't have enough work for me yet. One of them in particular is scaling up his business and wants me to be more involved, but there's still a lot of uncertainty so I've taken a temp job in the meantime....

On the personal side, I'm still using some dating sites to finally find the right woman, but I haven't gotten many matches. At this point, I'm about to concede that I may just have to use a matchmaking site even though they're expensive....
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 17, 2020, 08:27:44 AM
Unsolicited, I know, but here goes:

Get all your chit together (business, residence, etc.) and then go find that woman. It'll happen naturally. Always does.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: ELA on January 18, 2020, 08:37:13 PM
My wife reluctantly pulled me into foster parenthood about a year ago.  We've got two boys, and she wanted a third, I didn't, that was the compromise.  I was worried it was a back door way to adopt a third, which I immediately told the agency it wasn't, she I think still wanted to.  She's adopted herself.

In a crazy set of circumstances a baby was born in a toilet near the hospital, when the mother fled due to being high, a parole violation.  We got a call.  My wife visited her every day in the hospital because she was two months premature.  But amazingly, she was healthy.  No health problems, no signs of withdrawal from her user mom.  She was just small.

We brought her home 2 weeks later, and she won me over.  In a lot of ways our bond was closer than with my two biological sons.  I was wrong, we wanted to adopt her.  Her mother subsequently died of an OD, and father had a lengthy criminal history.  They put up a non family member/friend, but there was no family option.  We got a notice on Tuesday, after 6 months, that the state finally agreed with her guardian ad litem that the best thing for her was to move forward with adoption.  On Wednesday, the judge disagreed, and awarded immediate custody to the family friend.  No transition period.  We had 5 minutes to say goodbye.

The system sucks.  I just have to hope it's for the best.  The woman is a good mother.  We've met her, we've met her kids, I think she'll be ok.  But damn, that was my daughter, and it hurts.  We are handing over all of the clothes we bought her except her Christmas dress and the MSU cheerleader outfit she hadn't grown into yet.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on January 18, 2020, 09:24:09 PM
Damn ELA, that's a lot to go through in such a tight window.   I admire your resolve.  You are also right about the system.   The most complicated, heartbreaking events transpire in a family/children's court.  Those are very traumatic places to be.

I wish you and your family well during this time. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 19, 2020, 09:07:08 AM
Hat's off to you ELA. As an adopted kid myself, I couldn't imagine being taken away from my parents, no matter the age.

Are you going to try again?
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 19, 2020, 09:49:30 AM
wow, that's difficult.  Life isn't always easy.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on January 19, 2020, 09:57:35 AM
Really sorry to hear that AAA.  I can't imagine the heartbreak.  You and your wife are still excellent people for helping in the way you did.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 19, 2020, 10:36:12 AM
Really sorry to hear that AAA.  I can't imagine the heartbreak.  You and your wife are still excellent people for helping in the way you did.
Change is hard. I know.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: CWSooner on January 19, 2020, 12:45:09 PM
What you did was a blessing, ELA, even if you don't get to bear the fruits of it.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on January 19, 2020, 02:31:21 PM
The system sucks.  I just have to hope it's for the best.  The woman is a good mother.  We've met her, we've met her kids, I think she'll be ok.  But damn, that was my daughter, and it hurts.  We are handing over all of the clothes we bought her except her Christmas dress and the MSU cheerleader outfit she hadn't grown into yet.
Sorry to hear this!No good deed goes unpunished as they say.You took the high road and handled it better than reasonably could be expected.Just wondering where were these folks months back.I hope everything works out well for the kid.The ELAs did good
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 19, 2020, 02:42:19 PM
On a positive note, Mrs. 847 and I just signed the contract to purchase our new home in Florida.

We are very happy, on this 10 degree (F) January day.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 19, 2020, 03:35:09 PM
Printing and cutting, printing and cutting, printing and cutting...
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 19, 2020, 03:35:26 PM
On a positive note, Mrs. 847 and I just signed the contract to purchase our new home in Florida.

We are very happy, on this 10 degree (F) January day.
Where at?
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 19, 2020, 03:38:28 PM
Point A:  there is a massive need for adoptions
Point B:  what happened to ELA
.
WTF
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 19, 2020, 04:03:16 PM
Where at?
Burnt Store Marina, between Punta Gorda and Fort Myers. Straight shot out from there to the Boca Grande pass. About 10 miles or so. Next step is to buy the fishing boat. Looking at Grady-White for now, or something similar.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on January 19, 2020, 04:28:22 PM
Gradys are fine vessels
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 19, 2020, 04:40:18 PM
Hah, there's a Burnt Store Golf Club!!!!
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 19, 2020, 04:44:21 PM
Hah, there's a Burnt Store Golf Club!!!!
Yes. It's a resort community. Lots of stuff going on there.


Grady is a great boat. And expensive. We will look at alternates, for sure, but I'd really like to buy it up "here" in the Great Lakes rather than buy a salted boat.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: ELA on January 19, 2020, 05:00:53 PM
Change is hard. I know.
His helmetitis manifests in strange ways
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: ELA on January 19, 2020, 05:02:07 PM
Are you going to try again?
Too early to say.  And we also have to figure out the impact on our biological sons, who are 6 and 4.  If it's too much for them, then no.  If not, then maybe.  Probably not a baby again though.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 19, 2020, 05:15:20 PM
Your Husker friends Rob and Laura that attended your tailgate for the Husker game in Madison a few years back have a place near there.

Their neighbor is from Wisconsin and of course a Badger fan.

They are a half block north of the Caloosahatchie river in Cape Coral.

They like to visit Pine Island
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 19, 2020, 05:26:36 PM
Just back from Braves Baseball Fantasy Camp in North Port, FL.  Had great weather, did pretty well for a geezer, had a great time.

If you at all like baseball, these things are fantastic.  I've been 5 times now.

About to head to France for a month, yucky weather there.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on January 19, 2020, 07:59:18 PM
Change is hard. I know.

I don't acknowledge screen name changes.  The way I met you, is the way I will address you.

Isn't that right Fearless Frankie???
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 19, 2020, 08:00:19 PM
correct
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 20, 2020, 08:19:50 AM
I just read ELA's post.  Damn.

One can tell when a poster is a "fine fellow", and most of youse are of course, but we all knew ELA was "extra fine" and this is an example of it.  That shouldn't happen to fine fellows like him.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 20, 2020, 08:43:21 AM
I'd like to meet the judge. Have a little talk and all that.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: CatsbyAZ on January 20, 2020, 09:28:23 AM
Can’t remember where I was watching - the bar, the gym? - but Pardon the Interruption was airing. They were asking whether LSU makes the playoff next year.

NO! Tigers lose Burrow, six early to draft, two coordinators. The schedule is difficult and they will have a target on their back. Orgeron isn’t even that great of a coach - this past season was more about striking gold and taking advantage of the stars aligning.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 20, 2020, 09:30:44 AM
Agree, but then most teams have little shot at making the playoff outside Bama and Clemson and Ohio State.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 20, 2020, 09:33:42 AM
and Bama's lock on the playoff appears to be slipping

down to tOSU and Clemson
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 20, 2020, 09:35:22 AM
I'd like to meet the judge. Have a little talk and all that.
yup, just to hear line of reasoning and judge the judge's competence 

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on January 20, 2020, 09:46:16 AM
I'd like to meet the judge. Have a little talk and all that.
Wink-wink,nudge-nudge,how do you ya wanna do it?Manhole covers,cement slippers,chains?We have 'em all at Dirty Dave's Fine Implements - sleep with the fishes MLK Day Sale
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 20, 2020, 09:46:32 AM
The judge may have been hamstrung by the wording of the law.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: CatsbyAZ on January 20, 2020, 09:48:06 AM
Agree, but then most teams have little shot at making the playoff outside Bama and Clemson and Ohio State.


It’s ESPN reveling in recency bias by trying to hype LSU on par with one of the above three. They do NOT make the playoff next season. LSU goes 8-4 next season, returning to underachieving form.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 20, 2020, 09:48:25 AM
As for Bama's "slipping", they were one key injury from making it again, along with a very strange loss at Auburn they could have won easily enough with the backup.  Alabama at 11-1 and a close loss to LSU .... they get in over OU I think.

They are still very deep and talented and will rarely get upset.

LSU might be a 9-3 team next year.

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 20, 2020, 09:51:44 AM
Wink-wink,nudge-nudge,how do you ya wanna do it?Manhole covers,cement slippers,chains?We have 'em all at Dirty Dave's Fine Implements - sleep with the fishes MLK Day Sale
Just take him/her fishing to talk. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on January 20, 2020, 09:55:36 AM
Well if old man winter sticks around perhaps some Ice Fishing
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 20, 2020, 09:59:04 AM
In other good news, my legs held up pretty well at Fantasy Camp this year.  My shoulder did not however.  My coaches were hoping I could give them 3 innings twice pitching when it counted.  I managed two innings in my first start and then our defense collapsed, and I tried to gun a few pitches to compensate.  My shoulder went BING! and I had to come out.  We lost two games late and our other pitchers were blown.  I told our coach to let me start in the consolation game and he did.  I had found an arm angle that was not as painful, it's not my usual throwing position, I can do overhead and side arm, but not 3/4ers in the past, which is perhaps why the shoulder was somewhat OK with that.  Our other coach told me he'd kick my butt if I pitched well, and dang if I didn't manage four innings of shut out ball, and the game was called because it was consolation and we were close on time.  Then I got to pitch one inning against the former pros and faced the minimum thanks for a double play.

Then our coach, Chris Medlin, threw against us, Holy Cow.  I managed to foul one off and took two balls, and whiffed on three more, he was throwing hard, he told me later the last pitch was at 100% for him, into the 90s.  He's not a big guy but had great torque off the mound.  The ball was sizzlin' coming in.  I choked up as far as I could and was in the back of the box, no help.

One of our guys got a double off him, a fellow who played for Miam, FL a while back and we scored a run, so we "beat" them technically.

This is incredibly fun if you like baseball at all.  Now, off to the gym for next season.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 20, 2020, 10:24:30 AM
Well if old man winter sticks around perhaps some Ice Fishing
making good ice here this morning
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 20, 2020, 10:26:15 AM
In other good news, my legs held up pretty well at Fantasy Camp this year.  My shoulder did not however.  My coaches were hoping I could give them 3 innings twice pitching when it counted.  I managed two innings in my first start and then our defense collapsed, and I tried to gun a few pitches to compensate.  My shoulder went BING! and I had to come out.  We lost two games late and our other pitchers were blown.  I told our coach to let me start in the consolation game and he did.  I had found an arm angle that was not as painful, it's not my usual throwing position, I can do overhead and side arm, but not 3/4ers in the past, which is perhaps why the shoulder was somewhat OK with that.  Our other coach told me he'd kick my butt if I pitched well, and dang if I didn't manage four innings of shut out ball, and the game was called because it was consolation and we were close on time.  Then I got to pitch one inning against the former pros and faced the minimum thanks for a double play.

Then our coach, Chris Medlin, threw against us, Holy Cow.  I managed to foul one off and took two balls, and whiffed on three more, he was throwing hard, he told me later the last pitch was at 100% for him, into the 90s.  He's not a big guy but had great torque off the mound.  The ball was sizzlin' coming in.  I choked up as far as I could and was in the back of the box, no help.

One of our guys got a double off him, a fellow who played for Miam, FL a while back and we scored a run, so we "beat" them technically.

This is incredibly fun if you like baseball at all.  Now, off to the gym for next season.
perhaps talk to a surgeon about the shoulder
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 20, 2020, 11:10:00 AM
On my list when we get back Feb. 20 from France.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: CWSooner on January 20, 2020, 11:27:23 AM
Agree, but then most teams have little shot at making the playoff outside Bama and Clemson and Ohio State.
If the subject is making the playoff, not winning it, Oklahoma has been to the playoff four times, once more than Ohio State.
Hasn't won any games while there, obviously, while tOSU has gone 2-2.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 20, 2020, 11:30:46 AM
I meant to add OU to my list, really.  If the playoff next year is Clemson, Bama, OSU, OU, nobody will be shocked.  The rest of us will be a bit chagrined, dismayed, umbraged, and claim we have no interest etc.

If we ASSUME the SEC will have a representative, it will likely be from the usual group as well (Bama/LSU/Auburn/UGA/Florida).  UGA has some "unknowns" of course.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 20, 2020, 01:49:21 PM
Many of you have been to my (former) tailgate and probably remember Ol' Joe, with the real stuffed Badger on top of his van.

Well, Joe is no longer with us, as of yesterday. Very sad news.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 20, 2020, 01:51:23 PM
rest in peace Joe

a good man by my limited accounts
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on January 20, 2020, 01:58:00 PM
Sorry about your friend 847
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 20, 2020, 03:56:01 PM
One of the players at baseball camp is Brian Finneran, long time WR for the Falcons.  I asked him how many words were in a typical NFL play call in the huddle, it was interesting, he said something like 99 Sadie X Right blah blah.  I didn't get it all.  They communicate a lot in a short period of time.  He noted that some players simply never get it and can't play.  I'd like to hear an example defensive play call, and OL play call, how they call in the line, and then if the DL shifts.

I saw the UGA DL shift quite a bit this past year.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: GopherRock on January 20, 2020, 11:27:00 PM
It's been an eventful fall for the Mrs. and I. We spent two weeks in Italy over the holiday break on our honeymoon. A week in Rome followed by Assisi, Venice, Bologna, Reggio Emilia, and Florence. It was a spectacular trip.  Not too busy. With me being a 1.95m tall guy who speaks English, inevitably the other English speakers We learned a ton about food on this trip, even when we weren't really trying to. Highlights included more wine than I've ever drank in my life, Christmas Eve Mass at St Peters, finding a locals lunch joint in Assisi, cooking classes, the Frecciarossa, fresh tortellini in Bologna, and the New Years Eve demolition of a 800 gram bistecca Florentina and the random dance party that followed. We brought a fair amount of food (wine, cheese, olive oil, and balsamic vinegar) back, and so far when we've used it it's reminded us what food is supposed to taste like.

If anyone is interested in more specifics (restaurants, cooking classes, tours, places to go, etc.), let me know.

We're going to Florida for a wedding on Marco Island this weekend. Considering it's super cold here tonight, the Florida sun will be well appreciated.

I got the sheet of paper that officially says that I'm a Licensed Professional Engineer in the State of Minnesota. Kind of nice.

ELA, to put it mildly, that stinks. Not sure what, if anything, I can say to that, other than to commiserate with you and hope for the best.

RIP Old Joe. A damn good guy. I'll pour out some Old Style for him.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: ELA on January 21, 2020, 12:08:39 AM
Sorry for your loss badge
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on January 21, 2020, 08:30:44 AM
Many of you have been to my (former) tailgate and probably remember Ol' Joe, with the real stuffed Badger on top of his van.

Well, Joe is no longer with us, as of yesterday. Very sad news.
Condolences my friend 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 21, 2020, 09:31:36 AM
Thanks guys. I hadn't seen Joe in a couple years - been a while. But this still hits hard. I've known the guy for half of my life.

BaB - you ever walk down Regent and see the stuffed Badger on top of a red van, parked in the lot just East of the flower shop? In earlier days, we were in the hospital lot at Park and Regent. Anyway, if you saw it, that was Old Joe's Badger.

Old Joe and Gator got along really well. Not surprising. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on January 21, 2020, 12:48:39 PM
Condolences on the loss of your friend, bf.

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on January 21, 2020, 12:49:19 PM
That's a heck of a year, GR, very nice!  I love Italy, perhaps even more than I love France.  Well, it depends on the day I suppose.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 21, 2020, 12:59:53 PM
Finished the 6' tall cedar picket fence. First time I've ever built a fence, but I think I ended up doing a pretty good job. 

If it had been my house, it would have been better, though. Some areas I was essentially grafting a superstructure on the posts that already existed for the 3' fence along the back of the house, and that existing structure was very old. If I were doing it for myself, I would have ripped that all out and started fresh. But that would have cost more effort and money, and all I'm doing this is as a check-box to get a dog. (And because we had a change in neighbors so I wanted a privacy fence.)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on January 21, 2020, 02:11:23 PM
The judge may have been hamstrung by the wording of the law.
This.

The foster system is no doubt different in every state, but it is a hard system everywhere. Not because anyone wants it that way, but because anytime the courts and government agencies have to step into the making and separating of families, there are sure to be problems.

It sucks.

Sorry, ELA. Saw your wife's post on the FB the other day, too. I feel for you.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: rolltidefan on January 21, 2020, 02:33:10 PM
sorry for your losses, @847badgerfan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=5) and @ELA (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=55) .

the foster system is f-ed up, but it's people like ela that sacrifice tremendously that can help make life better for the kids. even if just for a while.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 22, 2020, 05:34:15 PM
Just landed in Austin and heading to check out this Live Oak Brewing joint.

I've been told Austin is terrible and that I should never consider moving here. Seems like bluster to me. 
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Post by: utee94 on January 22, 2020, 05:55:32 PM
Just landed in Austin and heading to check out this Live Oak Brewing joint.

I've been told Austin is terrible and that I should never consider moving here. Seems like bluster to me.

Nope it's true.  All of it!

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on January 22, 2020, 06:01:47 PM
Just landed in Austin and heading to check out this Live Oak Brewing joint.

I've been told Austin is terrible and that I should never consider moving here. Seems like bluster to me.
@bwarbiany (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=19) Did you figure out a place for dinner?  The food truck at Live Oak is decent, but not particularly "Austin-y."  I'm not that familiar with restaurants around your hotel, it's basically at the opposite end of town from where I live.

I would definitely suggest Valentina's for breakfast tacos and BBQ in general, it's really good.  It's in South Austin but not really all that close to you.  Leroy And Lewis is another BBQ trailer that's also in South Austin and a little closer to where you're staying.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 22, 2020, 06:07:32 PM
@bwarbiany (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=19) Did you figure out a place for dinner?  The food truck at Live Oak is decent, but not particularly "Austin-y."  I'm not that familiar with restaurants around your hotel, it's basically at the opposite end of town from where I live.

I would definitely suggest Valentina's for breakfast tacos and BBQ in general, it's really good.  It's in South Austin but not really all that close to you.  Leroy And Lewis is another BBQ trailer that's also in South Austin and a little closer to where you're staying.
Haven't yet, and the food truck appears to be closed today due to the rain. There's pretty much nobody in here. The chalkboard says the food truck runs 2-8 PM on M-F, but it's closed.

Given the rain, I'll probably find something as close to the hotel as possible. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on January 22, 2020, 06:19:26 PM
Haven't yet, and the food truck appears to be closed today due to the rain. There's pretty much nobody in here. The chalkboard says the food truck runs 2-8 PM on M-F, but it's closed.

Given the rain, I'll probably find something as close to the hotel as possible.
@bwarbiany (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=19) Along 71 between the brewery and the intersection of 71 and I35, is a place called Catfish Parlor that specializes in deep fried catfish, shrimp, and other southern foods.  They have some cajun offerings, as well as chicken fried steak and chicken fried chicken.  It's pretty good and a longtime Austin landmark and institution.
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Post by: CatsbyAZ on January 22, 2020, 06:55:24 PM
For anyone who is ever wondering what Penn State's Larry Johnson is up to, he's very active on twitter, ranting like an Ancient Aliens episode in his endless promotion of conspiracy theories, especially those pertaining to Satanism, Illuminati, and other world control by the global elite. 90% of his tweets relate to Satanism governing Pop Culture.

Exhibit A:

https://twitter.com/2LarryJohnson7/status/1215805431941083142
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 22, 2020, 07:06:51 PM
@bwarbiany (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=19) Along 71 between the brewery and the intersection of 71 and I35, is a place called Catfish Parlor that specializes in deep fried catfish, shrimp, and other southern foods.  They have some cajun offerings, as well as chicken fried steak and chicken fried chicken.  It's pretty good and a longtime Austin landmark and institution.

That might be perfect. Especially since I'm confined to Uber. 
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Post by: utee94 on January 22, 2020, 07:08:25 PM
That might be perfect. Especially since I'm confined to Uber.
@bwarbiany (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=19) Cool, hope you like it!  It's family-owned and operated, and I know the family, went to high school with the kids (who now operate the three locations).

Also, I'm interested in which beers you tried at LO, and what you thought of them.

Enjoy your trip!
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 22, 2020, 07:14:34 PM
@bwarbiany (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=19) Cool, hope you like it!  It's family-owned and operated, and I know the family, went to high school with the kids (who now operate the three locations).

Also, I'm interested in which beers you tried at LO, and what you thought of them.

Enjoy your trip!
So far the pilsner, smoked helles, and hefe.

All are clearly expertly made. Wasn't as fond of the smoked helles, but I think that's more that I need to be in the mood for smoked beer and I wasn't completely there today.

The hefe is just how I like them. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on January 22, 2020, 07:26:16 PM
So far the pilsner, smoked helles, and hefe.

All are clearly expertly made. Wasn't as fond of the smoked helles, but I think that's more that I need to be in the mood for smoked beer and I wasn't completely there today.

The hefe is just how I like them.
They do a lot of smoked beers.  I really like them, but you definitely have to be in the mood for it.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 22, 2020, 07:31:49 PM
The IPA is a hazy without being labeled as a hazy. Grr. #petpeeve 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on January 22, 2020, 07:34:51 PM
The IPA is a hazy without being labeled as a hazy. Grr. #petpeeve
I warned you not to order an IPA anyway. :)  Their European styles are excellent, that's their bread and butter.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 22, 2020, 07:56:38 PM
thought of Bwarb,

https://vinepair.com/articles/sous-vide-homebrewing/ (https://vinepair.com/articles/sous-vide-homebrewing/)

Brewing equipment can be expensive, though, and many tools only have one purpose (what else are you going to put in that conical fermenter?). For this reason, upgrades to better equipment can be cost-prohibitive. One emerging method that’s catching on in the homebrewer circuit is sous vide homebrewing, which, depending on your budget, is a relatively affordable way to up your homebrewing game. It does this via the sous vide immersion circulator: a tool priced around $100 that maintains water bath temperature within extreme precision — 0.1 degrees Fahrenheit — for long periods of time.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 22, 2020, 08:08:12 PM
I warned you not to order an IPA anyway. :)  Their European styles are excellent, that's their bread and butter.

The IPA wasn't bad. I just hate when they don't tell you a hazy is coming out. 

This restaurant is a trip. The Uber driver said "it looks like a strip club sign" lol. I've determined I like this even before tasting the food ! 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on January 22, 2020, 08:31:53 PM
The IPA wasn't bad. I just hate when they don't tell you a hazy is coming out.

This restaurant is a trip. The Uber driver said "it looks like a strip club sign" lol. I've determined I like this even before tasting the food !
Hasn't changed in 30+ years!
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 23, 2020, 02:25:11 PM
What You Need to Know About German Barbecue

https://www.thespruceeats.com/german-barbecue-cooking-335803 (https://www.thespruceeats.com/german-barbecue-cooking-335803)

Most importantly, the Germans brought us brisket. Brisket was considered a worthless cut of meat in the United States and usually ground up for chili or stew. The old German tradition placed tough brisket in a Dutch oven to cook low and slow until tender. It wasn't until the 1950s when a couple of German butchers put a brisket in a smoker to make modern Texas Barbecue.

The great thing about ordering food in restaurants in New Braunfels and Fredericksburg is that you can get a plate of BBQ ribs, German sausage, potato salad, and baked beans without knowing which is Texan and which is German. Fredericksburg (west of Austin by 100 miles or so), used to be a German-speaking town. Now, with the exception of a few German cultural festivals, these places are all American.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on January 23, 2020, 02:34:50 PM
Yup, heavy German influence in Fredericksburg, New Braunfels, and a few other CenTex towns.  Also, a lot of Czechs, which is we we love kolaches and klobasnek so much.

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 23, 2020, 03:08:57 PM
We stopped for kolaches in West twice, once on the south bound side and once on the north bound.

can't say which I thought were better - more research needed next month

the link sausage with swiss cheese and kraut are my fav
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on January 23, 2020, 03:13:05 PM
We stopped for kolaches in West twice, once on the south bound side and once on the north bound.

can't say which I thought were better - more research needed next month

the link sausage with swiss cheese and kraut are my fav
Man now I'm hungry for kolaches.

Technically only the fruit/cheese ones are kolaches, the meat/savory ones are klobasnek.  But folks just refer to all of them as kolaches, so there you have it.

And yes the sausage, sauerkraut, and Swiss is one of my faves as well.  I also like the sausage, cheddar, and jalapeno.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 23, 2020, 04:32:30 PM
klobasnek?  good  to know!

not as bad as folks here referring to all meat cooked outdoors as BBQ  :91:
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 23, 2020, 04:34:54 PM
I'm hungry for them now.  Closest option is a Nebraska Czech town called Verdigre about 100 miles west.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on January 23, 2020, 04:55:22 PM
You do know the Czech Museum is in Cedar Rapids?  Yes more than 100miles for you but lots of Czechs and Czech goodies,  which in all candor,  most Czech food specialties aren't all that great. I blame the varied ruthless rulers of Czechoslovakia over time.  Washed out a lot of culture.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: CWSooner on January 23, 2020, 05:35:31 PM
We've got a couple of Czech towns in Oklahoma--Prague and Yukon.  They both have big Czech festivals with lots of Czech goodies.

I earlier days, I used to hit a kolache stop on the east side of I-35 in West by God Texas pretty frequently.
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Post by: FearlessF on January 23, 2020, 07:50:55 PM
the newer place on the west side of the road is solid

Slovacek’s has a meat market................

Since 1957 Slovacek’s has been providing Texas with all kinds of fabulous smoked sausage. Since 1893 Nemecek Bros. has been providing West with their famous ring bologna, weiners and Hot Chubbies. Well, these traditions became permanently linked in 2012 at Slovacek’s West. You can find all of those delectable offerings and more. Our expert meat team has stuffed pork tenderloins and chicken breasts with an array of meats and cheeses. There is something for everyone. If you want steak or burgers for the grill, we can help with that, too! Make sure to either bring that cooler, or take home an insulated Slovacek’s bag so you can enjoy more Slovacek taste on your own dinner table!

If you need an on the go afternoon snack, our beef jerky spread (available plain or with sweet jalapeno) is the be-all, end-all of dips! It is so tasty it requires a 12 step program to quit it! Made from Beef Jerky, Cream Cheese and mayo with a special blend of spices, this dip is sure to be a hit.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 24, 2020, 12:55:45 PM
Paris is cold with horrible traffic due to protests.  Manifestations.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 24, 2020, 01:14:58 PM
Paris is cold with horrible traffic due to protests.  Manifestations.
I find it a bit funny that the smug Parisians, who look down on our American way of life and believe they're superior, have their city completely shut down on a regular basis by Parisians who think that life is so crappy that they have to take to the streets in strike and protest...
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 24, 2020, 01:27:18 PM
(https://i.imgflip.com/3n3q10.jpg)

Figured I'd make this just for funsies...
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Post by: Entropy on January 24, 2020, 01:38:47 PM
FF..

In nebraska, the best Kolaches I've had lately are at the Wahoo bakery in downtown Wahoo.   They have that softer dough that almost melts in your mouth.  If you prefer the more coffee dunkable dough (like my mom does), Wilber has some great places... but that would be a haul for you.    Wahoo is just north of Lincoln when you're in town. 

My grandma (dad's side) made some of the best kolaches (style I like as well) and rolls.  Her secret was discovered in her 80's...  She would boil potatoes and only use that water for her baking.  Came from when she was first married and they had to hand pump water from the well.  You reused everything.  The extra starch really made her baking incredible.  She also cooked for the local HS in Brianard (East Butler... home of the Mackovicka brothers).   My cousins (mom's side) still talk about their school rolls being some of the best.  
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 24, 2020, 03:22:59 PM
Great to know............

Wahoo is on my route to Lincoln from Sewer City If I do NOT take I-29.  Been to a couple bars in Wahoo many times.

didn't know about the bakery unless I've forgotten over the years.

Slovacek’s on the west side of I-35 in West, TX has the softer dough than the bakery on the East side.

My Grandmother (Dad's side) made some of the best cinnamon rolls in the area.  She also cooked at the local high school.  one of the best days in school was chili soup and cinnamon rolls!
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on January 24, 2020, 03:54:45 PM
I find it a bit funny that the smug Parisians, who look down on our American way of life and believe they're superior, have their city completely shut down on a regular basis by Parisians who think that life is so crappy that they have to take to the streets in strike and protest...
Believing one's way of life to be superior while simultaneously crapping on one's own surrounding is in some ways the human condition. 
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Post by: GopherRock on January 24, 2020, 04:03:33 PM
Wahoo!
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: iahawk15 on January 24, 2020, 04:31:16 PM
You do know the Czech Museum is in Cedar Rapids?  Yes more than 100miles for you but lots of Czechs and Czech goodies,  which in all candor,  most Czech food specialties aren't all that great. I blame the varied ruthless rulers of Czechoslovakia over time.  Washed out a lot of culture.
I live 35-40 mins west of there. The original museum was destoyed in the 2008 flood. I haven't been to either.

While I don't live in a Czech town, there's a couple major "Bohemie" communities close enough to influence the desserts in every public / church function in the area.

Being a Swede, I find kolaches a bit lacking in sweetness. Give some Swedish tea ring or a nice big danish.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 24, 2020, 04:42:16 PM
Sauerkraut is sweet enough for me
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on January 24, 2020, 05:05:08 PM
As I conceded most Czech food stinks.  People seem to like kolaches,  I don't care for them.  There are some good stews and other dishes but German versions are superior.  Czechs do make fine pilsner and drink more beer than any country .   I just walk the earth with the four consecutive consonant surname that 1 in 100 pronounce correctly. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on January 24, 2020, 07:16:19 PM
Sauerkraut is sweet enough for me

And that sweet, sweet Swiss cheese, too!
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 25, 2020, 08:16:38 AM
France is gloomy, with weird showers designed by some douche.

The wife liked that our sheets at the Hilton Opera had been ironed though.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 25, 2020, 08:26:59 AM
god bless ya, Cincy

yer a good husband

not sure I could do trips to Paris regularly
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: GopherRock on January 25, 2020, 08:57:31 AM


Being a Swede, I find kolaches a bit lacking in sweetness. Give some Swedish tea ring or a nice big danish.
My brother's wife's family is from Racine, Wisconsin. We always get O&H danish kringles from them at Christmastime. We brought ours to my in-laws and ate the whole thing in one sitting. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 25, 2020, 09:07:48 AM
gee, I wonder who ate half of it?  ;)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: GopherRock on January 25, 2020, 09:11:21 AM
gee, I wonder who ate half of it?  ;)
Actually, my FIL did. They'd never heard of kringle before. They do now. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on January 25, 2020, 09:26:37 AM
My brother's wife's family is from Racine, Wisconsin. We always get O&H danish kringles from them at Christmastime. We brought ours to my in-laws and ate the whole thing in one sitting.
My wife has me smuggle back about 15 kringles from O&H for her partners.  Saves about 50% compared to ordering.   I recall delivering one to the staff in her group and they annihilated it wo delay.    Pecan and almond are my faves.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on January 25, 2020, 09:41:37 AM
god bless ya, Cincy

yer a good husband

not sure I could do trips to Paris regularly
I love trips to Paris.  But winter is not a great time to be there.

My first extended work trip to France had me spending 4 months there, from February into June.  The first couple months were no fun as far as weather, but the second couple months really made up for it.

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 25, 2020, 09:52:59 AM
well, I've never been to France, perhaps I'd enjoy it.

I'm doubtful, but I'm wrong more often than right
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 25, 2020, 10:06:24 AM
Kringles are becoming far-reaching. We are able to get them fresh in one of our local grocery stores now.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 25, 2020, 10:12:53 AM
We are staying now in a tiny village well outside Paris taking care of the grandkids.

This is a one pub village.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 25, 2020, 10:33:57 AM
We walked about ten blocks last night in Paris and I noted three McDonald's, three Starbucks, two burger kings, and a Pizza Hut, in Paris.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 25, 2020, 07:51:12 PM
Did you stop for a Royale with Cheese? 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on January 25, 2020, 11:00:05 PM
Menu Big Mac avec biere s'il vou plait

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on January 26, 2020, 05:25:27 PM
We are staying now in a tiny village well outside Paris taking care of the grandkids.

This is a one pub village.
Shameful,how late is it open?
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: GopherRock on January 27, 2020, 04:43:00 PM
We are staying now in a tiny village well outside Paris taking care of the grandkids.

This is a one pub village.
Does said pub have a jukebox full of big band music with a beagle getting drunk on root beer?

https://youtu.be/YeGqp4E8azY
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on January 28, 2020, 02:19:26 AM
Not going to make it to watch 5th set.  Pretty amazing match between SEC man Tennys Sandgren and Federererererer.  Rog fought off 7 match points to stay alive.  A few really odd moments too, with Federer getting fined for uttering an obscenity.  Tennys was taken out sort of by a ball boy, or court assistant between switches during the tiebreaker,and was hobbling.  A few odd points where it looked like Tennys deked Roger successfully.

I don't think a collegiate player has reached a semis in a very long time.  Guess I'll watch 5th in morning.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 28, 2020, 04:38:47 AM
Have been down with a GI malady, and the weather sucks.  Something here gets my digestives every time.

Oh, and the young fellow who had open heart surgery came home two days ago and is feeling his oats apparently.  His incision is almost healed completely. Nhe is bouncing around the house now.

He had his heart stopped for twenty minutes.  Amazing.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 28, 2020, 09:27:10 AM
amazing

good for him!
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 28, 2020, 09:32:24 AM
Went to lunch at the pub, or bistro.  Was typically good, had a fire going which is nice in this weather.  They keep the house quite cool here.  The town is bigger than I first thought.  
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on January 28, 2020, 11:41:56 AM
I don't mind having a pint or glass of wine at a pub/bistro with a warm hearth, in the midst of French winter.  There are worse places to be. :)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 28, 2020, 12:56:03 PM
like Minneapolis
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on January 28, 2020, 12:59:21 PM
like Minneapolis
I don't know man, I sure could go for a Jucy Lucy at Matt's right about now...
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 28, 2020, 01:00:34 PM
there are plenty of good choices for food in that area

and those Gopher fans can drink!
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on January 28, 2020, 09:34:24 PM
and those Gopher fans can drink!
They've been slamming Hamm's up there for quite some time
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 29, 2020, 06:01:09 AM
Another walk today, a bit warmer and faint sun.  The WW One memorial has 19 names on it, four sets with the same surname.  It is hard to imagine there were 19 men of military age living here in 1914.  The injured are not listed.  One American flyer has his own plaque.

This is why the Maginot Line was built.

Nineteen men, from a tiny village.  Many may have died of disease, or the Spanish flu.

Hard to imagine.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 29, 2020, 10:06:31 AM
Hi, I'm Jake!

(https://i.imgur.com/LN89a6c.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/wYODjK5.jpg)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 29, 2020, 10:18:16 AM
Mrs. 847 wants to get a dog when she retires, which is very soon. Aside from the painfully obvious problems presented by our travel habits, there is another major issue for me, which I've stated here on occasion.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 29, 2020, 10:18:48 AM
Jake looks great.:):88:
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on January 29, 2020, 11:29:26 AM
Mrs. 847 wants to get a dog when she retires, which is very soon. Aside from the painfully obvious problems presented by our travel habits, there is another major issue for me, which I've stated here on occasion.
My wife and I have a pet ban in our marriage.  I'm badly allergic to cats and some dogs and would be a bad pet owner.  Add in the travel and irregular departures, it wouldn't work.  
I like other people's dogs.  Vicarious experience.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 29, 2020, 11:45:19 AM
Mrs. 847 wants to get a dog when she retires, which is very soon. Aside from the painfully obvious problems presented by our travel habits, there is another major issue for me, which I've stated here on occasion.
the naked hairy man issue?
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 29, 2020, 11:47:19 AM
I would love to have dogs, but basically cannot except perhaps some quasi yapped dog which I would not want.

Jake is my kind of dog.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 29, 2020, 11:49:58 AM
Jake and I would quickly become buddies for life
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Riffraft on January 29, 2020, 11:53:36 AM
I love dogs, but haven't owned one in over a decade. My life is too involved to give a dog the proper attention.

I inherited a cat when I married my wife. Freddy might as well be a dog with the way he acts, but at least he can fend for himself on a long weekend.

Freddy is 15 years old and I know I will not want another cat when he dies (Vet says he has quite a number of years left in him). I am not sure where the wife falls into the discussion at the moment. 

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on January 29, 2020, 12:09:42 PM
the naked hairy man issue?
:043:
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on January 29, 2020, 12:11:59 PM
I love dogs, but haven't owned one in over a decade. My life is too involved to give a dog the proper attention.

I inherited a cat when I married my wife. Freddy might as well be a dog with the way he acts, but at least he can fend for himself on a long weekend.

Freddy is 15 years old and I know I will not want another cat when he dies (Vet says he has quite a number of years left in him). I am not sure where the wife falls into the discussion at the moment.


A dog could fend for himself,he could eat the cat or anyone crawling thru a window.Can't help you with the piles though.Wanted to get a dog but the Mrs. got the parrots and are already family and they'd freak
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 29, 2020, 12:15:25 PM
I put in a doggy door for my daughters small naked hairy man wanna be - the backyard is more than 100' x 100'

she can leave enough food and water for him to survive a long weekend or more

he leaves small piles and he's good about leaving them in the yard

his life doesn't suck

He appreciates that I am a porterhouse/T-bone guy and also enjoy the bone in ribeyes and strips.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: CWSooner on January 29, 2020, 07:59:07 PM
They've been slamming Hamm's up there for quite some time
The first beer commercial I ever saw was one for Hamm's.
"From the land of sky-blue wa-aters,
Comes the water best for brewing . . ."
I think we were living in Clovis, NM, and I was 6 or 7.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: CWSooner on January 29, 2020, 08:00:04 PM
Another walk today, a bit warmer and faint sun.  The WW One memorial has 19 names on it, four sets with the same surname.  It is hard to imagine there were 19 men of military age living here in 1914.  The injured are not listed.  One American flyer has his own plaque.

This is why the Maginot Line was built.

Nineteen men, from a tiny village.  Many may have died of disease, or the Spanish flu.

Hard to imagine.
Do you remember who the American flyer was?
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: GopherRock on January 29, 2020, 10:02:47 PM
Hey Jake! I think it wouldn't take long before Jake and I were fast friends.

I inherited a dog when I married my wife. He's a show-bred springier spaniel that occasionally makes rocks intelligent. Helped her get through some rough spots. Also very good about leaving the piles out in the yard. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 30, 2020, 10:54:52 AM
The other thing about Paris is that it is on the same latitude as Montreal, so it gets dark early here.  The wife says we can move to Fontainebleau in a week or so, that would be nice, quieter, and we have friends there.

I might stroll down to the local bar for something.

Jack Daniels is everywhere here, often spelled Jacque, no kidding.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 30, 2020, 11:22:10 AM
premium price for the import?
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on January 30, 2020, 11:27:39 AM
I might stroll down to the local bar for something.

Jack Daniels is everywhere here, often spelled Jacque, no kidding.
Sacrebleu for the hang over,I'd go with Beam if they have it.Remember reading how GIs would find Calvados and toss that back,some sort of Brandy
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 30, 2020, 11:54:53 AM
Calvados is distilled apple cider from Normandy.

I do not like JD at all.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 31, 2020, 11:38:01 AM
"DOW down sharply as coronavirus keeps investors on edge"


What a crock o' chit, these people. Keep emotions out of it, or get the hell out of the kitchen and let the real investors cook.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on January 31, 2020, 11:42:52 AM
...animal spirits...
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 31, 2020, 11:53:03 AM
"DOW down sharply as coronavirus keeps investors on edge"


What a crock o' chit, these people. Keep emotions out of it, or get the hell out of the kitchen and let the real investors cook.
Actually it might have some serious effects. 

China has already extended the New Year holiday by several days, and individual provinces may extend it up to another week more. Throughout Asia I think there are other countries doing the same. That in itself is a significant drag to business this quarter. 

In many ways, this is an event already probably greater in magnitude and disruption than the Japanese earthquake/tsunami a couple years ago. That caused major disruption to the markets for electronic components. But I think its effects were limited to certain specialized components, whereas China is a huge supplier of basically everything. 

Beyond that, we don't know exactly how far and badly this will spread. Travel restrictions, extended holidays in Asia, and other related supply chain disruptions can have a lot of downstream effects. This is akin to a major natural disaster occurring there, but perhaps worse in that the true scope isn't yet known. 

I've had meetings with quite a few customers this week and one of the main topics of conversation was whether, and to what extent, coronavirus would disrupt supply chains for electronic components. If you can't get components you need, you can't build products, and then you can't sell what you didn't build, so companies will see nonzero revenue disruption from this event. Investors *should* be wary. 

(As with anything else, of course, there are opportunities here. Shortages mean higher prices for certain components, which means higher profits for the suppliers of those components who are unaffected by the disruption, but lower profits for the users of those components. So there will be pockets of companies who benefit from this as well as those who will suffer.)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on January 31, 2020, 12:08:48 PM
All true.

And beyond that, electrical and electronic subcomponent assemblies aside, companies running lean BTO inventory models on finished goods will certainly be affected within a couple of weeks. 

Ask me how I know... :0



Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 31, 2020, 01:06:22 PM
They had Four Roses at the bar in addition to JD.  Huh.

Their food is solid.  We are headed to Orleans in a week, the Old version.  Nice looking B and B.  Then Fontainebleau.

This is too long a stay for me, weather is awful.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 31, 2020, 01:18:31 PM
I blame all the problems in China on Bobby Stoops!
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on January 31, 2020, 01:27:50 PM
They had Four Roses at the bar in addition to JD.  Huh.

Their food is solid.  We are headed to Orleans in a week, the Old version.  Nice looking B and B.  Then Fontainebleau.

This is too long a stay for me, weather is awful.
I think it would be a lovely stay in... say... May or June.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 31, 2020, 01:29:36 PM
I think it would be a lovely stay in... say... May or June.
The problem is, so does everyone else.

I'm the type that will GLADLY accept poor weather if it means less crowds. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 31, 2020, 01:31:43 PM
Yeah.  This is my third visit in Dec to Feb.  Not recommended, at all.

I nearly froze in Verdun a few years back, nice town, horrible battle site, unbelievable.  Grim, dark, how can humans do that?

My poor wife, I drag her to these things...
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 31, 2020, 01:33:03 PM
Paris gets crowds.  The rest of France can be very nice in April and May.  Lyon is great.  People go to Paris to check boxes.

Blech.  
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 31, 2020, 02:10:02 PM
"DOW down sharply as coronavirus keeps investors on edge"


What a crock o' chit, these people. Keep emotions out of it, or get the hell out of the kitchen and let the real investors cook.
buy low, sell high
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 31, 2020, 02:32:13 PM
Actually it might have some serious effects.

China has already extended the New Year holiday by several days, and individual provinces may extend it up to another week more. Throughout Asia I think there are other countries doing the same. That in itself is a significant drag to business this quarter.

In many ways, this is an event already probably greater in magnitude and disruption than the Japanese earthquake/tsunami a couple years ago. That caused major disruption to the markets for electronic components. But I think its effects were limited to certain specialized components, whereas China is a huge supplier of basically everything.

Beyond that, we don't know exactly how far and badly this will spread. Travel restrictions, extended holidays in Asia, and other related supply chain disruptions can have a lot of downstream effects. This is akin to a major natural disaster occurring there, but perhaps worse in that the true scope isn't yet known.

I've had meetings with quite a few customers this week and one of the main topics of conversation was whether, and to what extent, coronavirus would disrupt supply chains for electronic components. If you can't get components you need, you can't build products, and then you can't sell what you didn't build, so companies will see nonzero revenue disruption from this event. Investors *should* be wary.

(As with anything else, of course, there are opportunities here. Shortages mean higher prices for certain components, which means higher profits for the suppliers of those components who are unaffected by the disruption, but lower profits for the users of those components. So there will be pockets of companies who benefit from this as well as those who will suffer.)
I just came back from lunch with my advisor (40 years experience). Not to worry on this one, with the allocations I'm in.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 31, 2020, 02:33:01 PM
buy low, sell high
That is a good way to go broke. Trying to hit those targets is like playing roulette, and I only know one person who got rich of that. He no longer posts here.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 31, 2020, 02:56:37 PM
well, my next couple 401K Roth purchases will probably be at a lower price than the last couple

and I won't be selling for years
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 31, 2020, 03:07:33 PM
International is not the place to be right now, especially Asia. Some pharma and most medical devices are good. If you stick in the S&P, you're mostly pretty good.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 31, 2020, 03:21:12 PM
I have some international, but a low percentage. probably less than 15%

for this reason
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 31, 2020, 03:41:05 PM
I'm at 10% right now. They are not doing well, as a whole, but you technically don't lose money if you don't take it out. That's one thing many people don't get.

People have lost more money overreacting than if they would have stuck it out. 

(https://tradingeconomics.com/charts/facebook.png?url=/united-states/stock-market)


Just draw a line from start to finish. People who lost money this year in the market are the ones who reacted on emotion, likely in June, August and October. Oops.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on January 31, 2020, 03:53:01 PM
I blame all the problems in China on Bobby Stoops!
All the puppies he stomped are blowing snot bubbles that are landing behind the Great Wall
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on January 31, 2020, 03:55:40 PM
This will only affect supply chains in the relatively short term.  Anyone reacting to this and pulling money out of the types of companies that manufacture in China and sell globally, would be overreacting in a dramatic way.  

But, that's what people do, so there you have it.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on January 31, 2020, 03:57:08 PM
or get the hell out of the kitchen and let the real investors cook.
That's what I used to say at the betting window because I'm an aggessive investor.......not a real bright one though
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 31, 2020, 04:02:22 PM
This will only affect supply chains in the relatively short term.  Anyone reacting to this and pulling money out of the types of companies that manufacture in China and sell globally, would be overreacting in a dramatic way. 

But, that's what people do, so there you have it.
Exactly. Long-term, this is a blip. Nothing more, nothing less. I'm generally the buy-and-hold type. I won't be 65 for 24 more years, so I'm not worried about this at all. For me any temporary downturn in the market is nothing more than dollar cost averaging as I regularly acquire.

Short-term, it's meaningful. If you're an active short-term investor, you need to have your finger on the pulse of all things like this. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 31, 2020, 04:17:08 PM
I did better than expected last year, even with trimming in August.  I cannot time markets.  I know that.

I get lucky at times.  
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on January 31, 2020, 04:42:39 PM
That is a good way to go broke. Trying to hit those targets is like playing roulette, and I only know one person who got rich of that. He no longer posts here.
GATOR prolly
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 31, 2020, 04:57:32 PM
Nope. Tennessee fan.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: rolltidefan on January 31, 2020, 05:02:01 PM
that tenn fan?
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on January 31, 2020, 05:10:02 PM
That's his handle or a hint?
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on January 31, 2020, 05:20:36 PM
Exactly. Long-term, this is a blip. Nothing more, nothing less. I'm generally the buy-and-hold type. I won't be 65 for 24 more years, so I'm not worried about this at all. For me any temporary downturn in the market is nothing more than dollar cost averaging as I regularly acquire.

Short-term, it's meaningful. If you're an active short-term investor, you need to have your finger on the pulse of all things like this.
I remember a friend of mine, smart guy, asked me how leveraged and inverse ETFs and mutual funds should be used.  He wanted to bet against oil markets one time.  I just said, not by guys like you.  Talk about playing with matches while soaked in kerosene. 

For every John Paulson there are 100 others with the same idea, they just get the timing all wrong.  You'll get your face crushed.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 31, 2020, 05:24:13 PM
That's his handle or a hint?
Hint.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 31, 2020, 05:24:26 PM
that tenn fan?
Heh.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 31, 2020, 05:25:25 PM
I remember a friend of mine, smart guy, asked me how leveraged and inverse ETFs and mutual funds should be used.  He wanted to bet against oil markets one time.  I just said, not by guys like you.  Talk about playing with matches while soaked in kerosene. 

For every John Paulson there are 100 others with the same idea, they just get the timing all wrong.  You'll get your face crushed.
Exactly. I like the "face crushed" thing too. I think I'll use that.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on January 31, 2020, 05:26:44 PM
There was some guy name VolFan or sumsuch.I'd spit my Yuengling out if you're talking Crunchymaximus
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 31, 2020, 05:27:35 PM
You better start spitting.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on January 31, 2020, 05:28:01 PM
Exactly. I like the "face crushed" thing too. I think I'll use that.
Is face crushed something John Paulson said?
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on January 31, 2020, 05:29:22 PM
You better start spitting.
GTFO,no fookin' way,he beat the market?well I'm not spittin' out Yuengling unless he's buyin.How'd ya know all that about him?Isn't he the one claiming that the Vols were gonna roll everyone at the beginning of every year?
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 31, 2020, 05:57:16 PM
GTFO,no fookin' way,he beat the market?well I'm not spittin' out Yuengling unless he's buyin.How'd ya know all that about him?Isn't he the one claiming that the Vols were gonna roll everyone at the beginning of every year?
No, he claimed to have beaten roulette, which was my analogy to trying to time the market.


CDawg knows more about this than me, as far as the beating roulette claims go.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on January 31, 2020, 07:33:30 PM
Is face crushed something John Paulson said?
No, I just said it.  Paulson?  I cant remember the last public statement I've heard from him.  He's reclusive as any big fish out there.

A useful reminder, there's always somebody on the other side of your great idea (trade).

Since this is a cfb board, the face crushing ties into the subject.  Larry Munson described a late UGA TD vs the Vols in 2001 the same way.  'We stepped on their face with a hobnail boot and broke their nose.  We crushed their face.'
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on January 31, 2020, 08:09:02 PM
Btw, even Paulson managed to get crushed a few years after nailing the subprime call in 07/08.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 31, 2020, 10:11:39 PM
The Florida house is a done deal. Holy sheep shit (As the great Cheech said)!

We're moving!!
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 01, 2020, 12:09:50 AM
#floridaman 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 01, 2020, 02:16:53 AM
I Hope he does not become a Gator fan ...
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Honestbuckeye on February 01, 2020, 06:05:19 AM
The Florida house is a done deal. Holy sheep shit (As the great Cheech said)!

We're moving!!
Congratulations!  From one Midwesterner to another, Welcome to Florida.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 01, 2020, 06:09:44 AM
Moving was very very hard for me.  I,left a lot of stuff behind.

It was exhausting, but worth it longer term.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 01, 2020, 06:27:41 AM
There were 34,000 deaths in the US last year from the regular flu.  Why does this Corona thing get such out sized attention?  Perspective.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on February 01, 2020, 06:39:27 AM
The Florida house is a done deal. Holy sheep shit (As the great Cheech said)!

We're movin
As FF says corngrats,did you retire yet?
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on February 01, 2020, 06:51:17 AM
Btw, even Paulson managed to get crushed a few years after nailing the subprime call in 07/08.
I think that's the guy I saw profiled on a PBS segment
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: GopherRock on February 01, 2020, 09:27:42 AM
I Hope he does not become a Gator fan ...
So long as he doesn't wear jorts, he'll be fine. 

Congratulations!
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: GopherRock on February 01, 2020, 09:29:48 AM
Then again, the place where we had lunch on Sunday (Stan's Idle Hour Bar in Goodview), there were ample quantities of both jorts and Gator memorabilia...
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on February 01, 2020, 10:11:04 AM
Speaking of Florida,  nice win by down under by Floridian via Russia Sofia Kenin in the ladies final, the 'other' young U.S. tennis prodigy.  She handled the much more hyped, 15 year old Coco Gauff last weekend. Kenin is 21 now, but surprising to me, the youngest women's slam winner since Serena in '02.     Kid wears her emotions out on court, and impressive power for being fairly small.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 01, 2020, 10:27:16 AM
So long as he doesn't wear jorts, he'll be fine.

Congratulations!
Thanks to all.
Jorts… I don't even wear jeans. As in almost never. So I can't cut them off if I don't have any. :)


I'm not retired, and I won't be. I can't (it would drive me nuts to not work). I'll work from there and come up here for a week per month to keep things fresh. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 01, 2020, 12:16:39 PM
I am busier being retired than I was when I was working.  I realize I had an unusual job situation.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 01, 2020, 02:06:43 PM
I've heard others say that. I think much of that depends on how well one sets himself up for retirement. 

Can't do a whole lot if there's no money. I've seen that too.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on February 01, 2020, 02:11:56 PM
a meme on bookface nailed it... a person was asked "how many people work for your company?" and the reply was "eh, maybe 40%?"... i'm thinking this is not only true in most office environments, but also a high estimate...
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on February 01, 2020, 03:12:52 PM
The Florida house is a done deal. Holy sheep shit (As the great Cheech said)!

We're moving!!
Corngrats amigo!


Can't wait to see YOUR reaction to Florida Man. :)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on February 01, 2020, 03:16:05 PM
The boy took second among all Webelos in Pinewood Derby today.  More importantly had had a great time building, painting, and accessorizing his car.  Good times!
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on February 01, 2020, 03:22:46 PM
The boy took second among all Webelos in Pinewood Derby today.  More importantly had had a great time building, painting, and accessorizing his car.  Good times!

next time let me know!!! i picked up a cnc router DIRT cheap- $800 for a router valued at near $20k- and the things it can do are amazing.  One of the 'plans' i've encountered in the 'craft' section are derby cars... can scale it however- from large enough for a kid to ride in to small enough for the little tracks they build for them... the cool part, though, is the sides can be engraved and look however you want- STILL a project for the kid as they have to put them together, but a LOT different than anything else you may encounter. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 01, 2020, 03:33:55 PM
There really aren't "Florida Man" where we are going. I think that's more North and central.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on February 01, 2020, 03:38:11 PM
next time let me know!!! i picked up a cnc router DIRT cheap- $800 for a router valued at near $20k- and the things it can do are amazing.  One of the 'plans' i've encountered in the 'craft' section are derby cars... can scale it however- from large enough for a kid to ride in to small enough for the little tracks they build for them... the cool part, though, is the sides can be engraved and look however you want- STILL a project for the kid as they have to put them together, but a LOT different than anything else you may encounter.
Thanks man!  This is likely our last one, since next year he'll probably have moved up to Boy Scouts before the PWD.  But I'll keep it in mind. :)
There really aren't "Florida Man" where we are going. I think that's more North and central.

Yeah, where you're headed, there's just a bunch of old farts. ;)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 01, 2020, 03:42:50 PM
In our development (marina resort community), I'm told the average age is 56, so I'll help bring that down a tad.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 01, 2020, 04:02:49 PM
There really aren't "Florida Man" where we are going. I think that's more North and central.
Hehe, actuallyyyyyyyy....
Florida man territory is statewide - starting 10 miles inland from the entire coastline of the state. 
He's in every big city and runs every small town.  
.
The extra, most-bestest Florida Man regions are around the Everglades, the whole area west of I-75/south of I-10, and the northern edge of the panhandle.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 01, 2020, 04:07:08 PM
The SEC distributed $651 million to its members.  That's behind the $729 the Big Ten handed out.  Wait until the next TV deal....
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 01, 2020, 04:09:07 PM
A couple years ago we drove from West Palm Beach to Captiva.

Middle Florida is, umm, interesting.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 01, 2020, 04:42:46 PM
The boy took second among all Webelos in Pinewood Derby today.  More importantly had had a great time building, painting, and accessorizing his car.  Good times!

Nice! I remember mine... 

...it was obvious my dad built it lol. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 01, 2020, 06:25:59 PM
The first year I did it, I played with mine in the sand, so it barely made it down the track, lol.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: GopherRock on February 01, 2020, 06:34:12 PM
There really aren't "Florida Man" where we are going. I think that's more North and central.
There was plenty of Florida Man on Marco Island last weekend.

I also believe the saying that the further north you go in Florida, the further into the South one gets. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 01, 2020, 07:06:35 PM
Marco is a magnet for a lot of people who don't actually live there.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on February 01, 2020, 07:13:29 PM
Marco is a magnet for a lot of people who don't actually live there.
While I love that JW on Marco Island, that island is a food desert.  It does seem to be heavily snowbirds. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: CWSooner on February 02, 2020, 12:26:00 PM
Meerkats are in the mongoose family.  A group of them is a mob.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 02, 2020, 01:02:27 PM
time to brew the SB chili

crank up the rock & roll and get in the kitchen!!!
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on February 02, 2020, 01:38:25 PM
smoked a rib roast yesterday- wrapped in a foil and a towel, then the fridge with it's blanket still on it... will pull it out in a few and start carving.  

real simple and fantastic hand foods for the game:  
- 6~8# smoked rib eye roast to internal of 105*~110*.. pulled and wrapped.
- 100 flour tortillas of the 6~8" variety
- four or five bell peppers depending on size. 
- couple sweet onions
- mozzarella cheese shredded, maybe a 1# bag to make it easy...

strip the peppers into 2" strips no wider than 1/8th inch... slice onions into slivers too- about same width...  strip the rib eye into strips 2~4" and 1/4" or so wide.  

fire up the griddle... a little bit of avocado oil... toss a pile of the rib eye, onions, and peppers on one side low heat, and douse it every so often with whatever spice you use (i use a bottle of soy sauce mixed with a bit of apple vinegar and hot sauce, touched with lemon juice, and it adds nice zest).. clear the other side of the griddle with a nice glaze of oil but no more, and at medium heat... start slapping the tortillas on the griddle 'big bubble' up (look at the face of the tortillas and you'll see one side has tiny bubbles the other big ones)... spread a little bit of cheese around the perimeter of the tortilla (a little goes a long way), and dress the interior with the onions/peppers on one side and beef on the other... fold it over itself, let it toast 30 seconds or so, and flip it over for another 30 seconds or so- use that minute to get the next two or three going.  

i'll serve these in the little baskets with waxed paper liners, and offer sour cream and salsa for dipping.  

it seems like a waste for a rib eye, but dang are they good... and, i picked the rib eye up for $40 regular price $105, so, it was actually cheaper than the sirloin i usually use for this trick. 

other than the time in the smoker, the entire thing takes less than an hour and clean up is simple... but beware: folks will ask you for these from now on. and they're SO simple. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on February 02, 2020, 02:04:54 PM
time to brew the SB chili

crank up the rock & roll and get in the kitchen!!!

If it's for tonight, then YESTERDAY was actually the appropriate time to brew it up. :)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on February 02, 2020, 02:23:39 PM
Give the pot stirrer a break it's getting warmer above the Mason - Dixon.Prolly hit the links
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 02, 2020, 02:44:47 PM
How's this for gourmet:
I cooked a couple of ham steaks on the George Foreman and threw some shredded cheese between them, stacked on my plate - gooey deliciousness. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 02, 2020, 02:46:15 PM
Doing pork belly burnt ends two ways today... 

https://www.vindulge.com/smoked-pork-belly-burnt-ends-recipe-and-video/

https://blog.thermoworks.com/pork/asian-pork-burnt-ends/
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 02, 2020, 02:49:37 PM
They served parmentier de canard for dinner.  It is OK, a bit stringy like.  The son in law is a CIA graduate, but his cuisine is not really to my liking that much.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on February 02, 2020, 02:55:16 PM
They served parmentier de canard for dinner.  It is OK, a bit stringy like.  The son in law is a CIA graduate, but his cuisine is not really to my liking that much.
How were the potatoes?
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 02, 2020, 03:05:15 PM
If it's for tonight, then YESTERDAY was actually the appropriate time to brew it up. :)
I enjoy it fresh and a day or two old.
Probably my least spicy batch to date.

6 tablespoons of chile powder, but no Habanero or Cayenne this year.

yankees might like it
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 02, 2020, 03:08:40 PM
How were the potatoes?
Fine, I just learned they got it from  traitors.  Traitors. No, traitors.  Stupid spel hack.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on February 02, 2020, 03:14:23 PM
I enjoy it fresh and a day or two old.
Probably my least spicy batch to date.

6 tablespoons of chile powder, but no Habanero or Cayenne this year.

yankees might like it
Yankess don't like chili, they like bean soup.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 02, 2020, 03:19:48 PM
Powder from Chile?
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on February 02, 2020, 03:21:05 PM
I'm caramelizing two pounds of onions right now.
Mostly for wife and I for burgers tonight and whatever else.  My kids view the SB as reason to gorge on doritos and cheetos.

We hosted a mystery dinner last night for 8 5th graders for my daughters bday party.  Not much energy for a big effort today.

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 02, 2020, 03:22:15 PM
JJ Watt Stars in Hilarious Notre Dame/Rudy SNL Parody Skit

https://www.uhnd.com/football/2020/02/02/jj-watt-stars-hilarious-notre-damerudy-snl-parody-skit/ (https://www.uhnd.com/football/2020/02/02/jj-watt-stars-hilarious-notre-damerudy-snl-parody-skit/)

https://www.uhnd.com/football/2020/02/02/jj-watt-stars-hilarious-notre-damerudy-snl-parody-skit/ (http://uhnd.com/football/2020/02/02/jj-watt-stars-hilarious-notre-damerudy-snl-parody-skit/)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: DevilFroggy on February 02, 2020, 07:31:30 PM
I decided to try my hand at making my own wings for the Super Bowl today and my goodness did they come out just about perfect.

Tried a method I saw from a popular YouTube chef Binging with Babish. Basically deep fry your wings at 225 degrees for 20 minutes, let sit in the fridge overnight, then fry them again at 400 degrees for 10 more minutes for perfectly crispy and still juicy wings. 

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on February 02, 2020, 08:20:25 PM
That's something I'd like to do, just hate frying food at home.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: DevilFroggy on February 02, 2020, 08:33:23 PM
It is somewhat of a hassle but requires very little technical skill, which appealed to me.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: DevilFroggy on February 02, 2020, 08:34:11 PM
Also a good way to put my recently acquired enamel coated dutch oven to use.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on February 02, 2020, 09:19:59 PM
That is a great vessel for that.   I suppose I now have a great blower fan, I should just do it.    
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 02, 2020, 11:14:49 PM
It is somewhat of a hassle but requires very little technical skill, which appealed to me.
I've only recently gotten into it. I was terrified of it for so long, then did it, and realized how easy it is. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on February 02, 2020, 11:48:16 PM
A local BBQ-man offered a Super Bowl sale where you pre-ordered and picked up at a given location. His food is good, but with a truck, you usually have to know where he'll be and sort of block out time to get there, and he still sells out.

What he did not account for was that there is almost no on-demand food on Super Bowl Sunday that isn't completely overwhelmed (pizza and wings stretched to the breaking point), and the convenience of "Place order for lots of meats 5 days out, go cleanly pick it up" is a huge, huge bonus. Anyway, he got swamped with orders and I think made a killing. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 03, 2020, 03:02:21 AM
I missed the SB entirely, seem to be OK ... So far.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on February 03, 2020, 07:30:39 AM
A local BBQ-man offered a Super Bowl sale where you pre-ordered and picked up at a given location. His food is good, but with a truck, you usually have to know where he'll be and sort of block out time to get there, and he still sells out.

What he did not account for was that there is almost no on-demand food on Super Bowl Sunday that isn't completely overwhelmed (pizza and wings stretched to the breaking point), and the convenience of "Place order for lots of meats 5 days out, go cleanly pick it up" is a huge, huge bonus. Anyway, he got swamped with orders and I think made a killing.

A friend of mine owns a couple of Wing Stop franchises.  Needless to say Superbowl Sunday is by far his biggest day of the year.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on February 03, 2020, 09:03:20 AM
I had the Ham and Scalloped Potatos from Friday Night.With steamed Broccoli and Carrots
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on February 03, 2020, 09:12:42 AM
Also couldn't watch Ground Hog Day yesterday it's now owned by Amazon - I'm really starting to hate those F***ers
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 03, 2020, 09:45:21 AM
I think it comes around again soon ...

I had porc curry at the local restaurant, don't generally see pork on the menu here.  Plan to visit Zchablis Sunday, again.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 03, 2020, 10:35:25 AM
 Headed to Orleans Friday and Chablis Sunday and Fontainebleau Monday.  We stay at a friend's guest house at the last place until we fly back.  Headed to Istanbul in April. 

Would enjoy just being at home for a while.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 03, 2020, 11:02:53 AM
man of the World....

I doubt I ever do much international traveling.  Could catch a virus or worse
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 03, 2020, 11:05:07 AM
Fortunately, at baseball they had Modelo and Bud Light as options, no Corona.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on February 03, 2020, 12:29:15 PM
I spent several months working in Belgium once upon a time, and the hotel bar was well sorted with local beers, plenty of delicious Belgian ales to choose from.  They also had featured an "import beer of the month" and for one of the months I was there, that featured import was Corona.  It was astounding how many Belgians and other Euros eschewed the world-class Belgian ales in favor of that Mexican hog urine in the clear bottle.  I guess it left more delicious Belgian ale for me, though, so I can't complain too much about it.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 03, 2020, 12:34:44 PM
It must have been its exotic nature.  I am surprised how big Coke is over here.  I was chatting with a wine store owner about selling American wines in France ... I told him there are good ones no doubt, but why bother trying?

As noted, I see JD in every bar.  I guess it goes with the Coke thing.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on February 03, 2020, 01:01:53 PM
JD or other American whiskey makes sense, just as we have Scotch and Irish whiskys/whiskeys in our bars.  

Coke tastes good, so that also makes sense, though it's a sad commentary that Europe is becoming more Americanized in its consumption of junk food and fast food.  My recent trips over there, the locals have been much fatter than they were during my initial trips almost 30 years ago.

But drinking really bad-tasting beer simply because it's imported makes no sense at all, but hey, who am I to judge?
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 03, 2020, 01:05:50 PM

But drinking really bad-tasting beer simply because it's imported makes no sense at all, but hey, who am I to judge?
Even in Belgium, people like the light lagers. 

I would have thought they'd be drinking more Stella Artois, but I'm not surprised that if Corona was the lightest flavored beer they had, that people went for it. People here drink Coors Light / Bud Light / Miller Lite, which to me tastes about as flavorful as a La Croix, i.e. water with a tiny hint of flavoring added.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on February 03, 2020, 01:11:59 PM
Even in Belgium, people like the light lagers.

I would have thought they'd be drinking more Stella Artois, but I'm not surprised that if Corona was the lightest flavored beer they had, that people went for it. People here drink Coors Light / Bud Light / Miller Lite, which to me tastes about as flavorful as a La Croix, i.e. water with a tiny hint of flavoring added.

Oh no don't get me wrong, pilsners and light lagers are still the highest consumed category even in Belgium.  But it's mostly their local versions, including Stella, Jupiler, and Maes.  Those all taste good over there, even Stella. Corona doesn't taste good ANYWHERE, not even in Mexico.

And I expect more from the palates of Belgians than I do from the palates of Americans raised on macro-swill, to be honest.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on February 03, 2020, 01:44:32 PM
It was astounding how many Belgians and other Euros eschewed the world-class Belgian ales in favor of that Mexican hog urine in the clear bottle.
Not too far from the truth either.There is a reason they still say don't drink the water.They shove limes in the bottle for the same reason women douche.They have to be laughing in their breweries and board room every day.

  And Mich Lite is like a 50-50 of Bud Lite and seltzer,that has gone flat
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 03, 2020, 02:38:02 PM
silly Europeans 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 03, 2020, 03:08:46 PM
These showers were designed by a douche.  No two are alike, at all.  I have fifth degree burns.

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on February 03, 2020, 05:22:23 PM
 the locals have been much fatter than they were during my initial trips almost 30 years ago.
Of course you've scaled down to your age 22 dimensions
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 03, 2020, 06:27:05 PM
Doing pork belly burnt ends two ways today...

https://www.vindulge.com/smoked-pork-belly-burnt-ends-recipe-and-video/

https://blog.thermoworks.com/pork/asian-pork-burnt-ends/
Final product...

(https://i.imgur.com/YiZMSDD.jpg)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 03, 2020, 06:31:24 PM
I'll try that one, using some different methodologies.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 03, 2020, 06:37:43 PM
I'll try that one, using some different methodologies.
Overall, I was really happy with it. 

Burnt ends are like the candy of BBQ. But it can be a pain to have to smoke an entire brisket to be able to cut off and cube the point, to make burnt ends. Pork belly is readily available, cheap, and already has all that unctuous fatty goodness to hold up to a nice long smoke.

The one thing I would say was that it was just TOO rich by the time we got done with all the other dishes. It was only myself, my wife, and the kids. We'd already been eating a veggie & dip platter, then some chips with salsa/guac/dip, then some pizza pretzels, and by the time we got to this it was just too much. 4-6 bites of this is enough for just about anyone, so it should be an appetizer, not the main event. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on February 03, 2020, 06:51:23 PM
Damn that looked good,what type of suds went with that
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 03, 2020, 07:22:53 PM
Damn that looked good,what type of suds went with that
Well, IPA, obviously. What else can push through the richness of pork fat better than a nice bitter IPA?
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on February 03, 2020, 07:55:57 PM
Pretty much any other beer in the world.  Except Corona, obviously. ;)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on February 04, 2020, 08:05:54 AM
Lot of pot stirring last night, is FF alright?  Made for some very bizarre TV.  I'm normally checked out of that stuff entirely, but it was hard to look away.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on February 04, 2020, 09:49:20 AM
Well, IPA, obviously. What else can push through the richness of pork fat better than a nice bitter IPA?
Well then perhaps I might try one or a Czech Pilsner would work
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 04, 2020, 10:28:26 AM
https://atlanta.curbed.com/2020/2/3/21119736/atlanta-st-regis-highest-priced-condo-sold-georgia?fbclid=IwAR0Vz7vJeQ2TvffbegOpBGmkm-1TRww29RE_cIycbjgbvJ7IkghFTnHSgdw

Movin on up ...
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 04, 2020, 01:05:40 PM
And look at the market today... as "coronavirus concerns ease"...


Freakin' clown show.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 04, 2020, 03:36:11 PM
Clown show making me $$$$$$$&&&&&&
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on February 04, 2020, 03:37:51 PM
Well then perhaps I might try one or a Czech Pilsner would work

Czech pilsners go great with anything, perhaps the most versatile beer style in the world.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 04, 2020, 03:44:16 PM
Clown show making me $$$$$$$&&&&&&
Only if you sell today, like a lot of clowns will.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on February 04, 2020, 04:32:31 PM
Lot of pot stirring last night, is FF alright?  Made for some very bizarre TV.  I'm normally checked out of that stuff entirely, but it was hard to look away.
One of the highlights was hearing a reporter desperate to report anything speculate about potential phone network problems in Iowa.
I immediately thought of our own Pot stirrer.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 04, 2020, 04:47:32 PM
Heh.

Talk about clown shows.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 04, 2020, 04:56:57 PM
Best comment I saw on a preview of the Iowa @ Purdue game over at Hammer and Rails...


Quote
Good thing this game isn't @ Iowa. I'm not sure we can even trust them to keep the scoreboard right.

[…too soon?…]
:57:
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: GopherRock on February 05, 2020, 10:57:54 PM
Here's a highlight reel of our tailgating from this past season. Yours truly got in there a few times, and Fearless may have snuck in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8jbCAWYPcE&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8jbCAWYPcE&feature=youtu.be)

Sadly, it may be our final season on the East River Flats. Still no word from the MPRB about the future.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 06, 2020, 12:05:33 PM
Overall, I was really happy with it.

Burnt ends are like the candy of BBQ. But it can be a pain to have to smoke an entire brisket to be able to cut off and cube the point, to make burnt ends. Pork belly is readily available, cheap, and already has all that unctuous fatty goodness to hold up to a nice long smoke.

The one thing I would say was that it was just TOO rich by the time we got done with all the other dishes. It was only myself, my wife, and the kids. We'd already been eating a veggie & dip platter, then some chips with salsa/guac/dip, then some pizza pretzels, and by the time we got to this it was just too much. 4-6 bites of this is enough for just about anyone, so it should be an appetizer, not the main event.
I'll see if my brother will try some burnt ends with his brisket.  I had a burnt ends sammich in Topeka on my last trip to Texas.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: ELA on February 06, 2020, 12:07:04 PM
I'll see if my brother will try some burnt ends with his brisket.  I had a burnt ends sammich in Topeka on my last trip to Texas.
Yeah burnt ends are a go to, if they are on the menu, but I've never tried to make them myself.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 06, 2020, 12:07:09 PM
Lot of pot stirring last night, is FF alright?  Made for some very bizarre TV.  I'm normally checked out of that stuff entirely, but it was hard to look away.
Can't blame me.  I was out of state.  (Visiting beautiful Mitchell, SD in February)

and I don't caucus

stoopid Apps 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 06, 2020, 12:08:14 PM
He's going to try smoking some beef cheeks.  Might as well throw in a chunk of pork belly.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 06, 2020, 12:59:20 PM
I'll see if my brother will try some burnt ends with his brisket.  I had a burnt ends sammich in Topeka on my last trip to Texas.
Yeah burnt ends are a go to, if they are on the menu, but I've never tried to make them myself.
Very easy, if you're already smoking an entire brisket ;)

When you pull the brisket off the smoker to rest, just separate the point and flat, cube the flat, toss the chunks in a disposable foil pan with a little more rub and some bbq sauce, and put it back on the smoker for ~60-90 minutes. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on February 06, 2020, 02:19:47 PM
Burnt ends are okay.  I'd honestly rather just have an actual slice of delicious brisket.

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: ELA on February 06, 2020, 03:58:02 PM
Burnt ends are okay.  I'd honestly rather just have an actual slice of delicious brisket.


Yeah, I think its more of a rarity thing for me.  I can get good brisket at a cookout, or at any BBQ joint.  Not always going to see burnt ends, and I've never had them home made.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 06, 2020, 04:23:27 PM
Burnt ends are okay.  I'd honestly rather just have an actual slice of delicious brisket.
IMHO it doesn't need to be either/or.

I personally enjoy the point of brisket, even sliced. But it's too fatty for some. 

So burnt ends as an appetizer takes care of using the brisket point, and then you serve the flat sliced for the main course.

When I don't make burnt ends, often the point just gets frozen after cooking for use in other applications like chili, nachos, taquitos, stuffed shells, etc.

Actually, I've got some frozen now and we're thinking of making your enchiladas this weekend, utee, and the nice fatty point would go nicely there. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on February 06, 2020, 06:21:26 PM
IMHO it doesn't need to be either/or.

I personally enjoy the point of brisket, even sliced. But it's too fatty for some.

So burnt ends as an appetizer takes care of using the brisket point, and then you serve the flat sliced for the main course.

When I don't make burnt ends, often the point just gets frozen after cooking for use in other applications like chili, nachos, taquitos, stuffed shells, etc.

Actually, I've got some frozen now and we're thinking of making your enchiladas this weekend, utee, and the nice fatty point would go nicely there.

Down here in Texico the fatty slices off the point are highly prized.  They label it "moist" ( I guess so it doesn't sound so unhealthy) and most places, it costs more.

Personally, I prefer the lean from the flat but it's possible I'm in the minority around here.

Anyway, the point definitely works for bbq enchiladas so I hope you make some!
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Honestbuckeye on February 06, 2020, 06:32:36 PM
A couple years ago we drove from West Palm Beach to Captiva.

Middle Florida is, umm, interesting.
Yes....interesting.   I have driven across several times for work or to visit my brother ( he is West Coast Cape Coral/ Ft. Meyer’s and I am east coast Stuart/ palm Beach). Let’s just say I try to fill up before I go so I don’t have to stop.  

Another interesting thing that I learned since moving here ( and I am sure everyone else already knew) is that I am on the I-95 side so mostly Northeast transplants, visitors and retirees.   The folks on the west side near I-75 are mostly midwesterners.  So there is a noticeable difference in style and “personality.”  I am more used to the friendly, approachable midwesterners.   
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 06, 2020, 06:33:55 PM
Down here in Texico the fatty slices off the point are highly prized.  They label it "moist" ( I guess so it doesn't sound so unhealthy) and most places, it costs more.
My first Texas BBQ experience was Rudy's, and it was the moist brisket. I was in heaven!

I hear you Austin folks consider Rudy's to be second-tier at best, and it was still the best BBQ I'd ever had...
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on February 06, 2020, 06:47:47 PM
My first Texas BBQ experience was Rudy's, and it was the moist brisket. I was in heaven!

I hear you Austin folks consider Rudy's to be second-tier at best, and it was still the best BBQ I'd ever had...

Rudy's is probably third tier but that doesn't mean it's not quite tasty.  I give them a TON of credit for producing an incredibly consistent product, for full-service restaurant hours, each and every day, as well as really great consistency across their numerous locations.

First-tier places like Franklin are only open for lunch until they run out of food, and then there's Snow's (Texas Monthly magazine's current reigning #1 in the state) that's only open on Saturdays (again, only until lunch which is when they run out of food).  Those places are delicious but I don't consider them to be actual restaurants.  They don't serve regular lunch and dinner hours, and you have to wait in very long lines for their product.  I call them "Extended Catering Events."  It's great for their quality and it's a great business model for them financially, it's just not great for average customers.

Anyway, just my $0.02.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 06, 2020, 08:35:20 PM
Yes....interesting.  I have driven across several times for work or to visit my brother ( he is West Coast Cape Coral/ Ft. Meyer’s and I am east coast Stuart/ palm Beach). Let’s just say I try to fill up before I go so I don’t have to stop. 

Another interesting thing that I learned since moving here ( and I am sure everyone else already knew) is that I am on the I-95 side so mostly Northeast transplants, visitors and retirees.  The folks on the west side near I-75 are mostly midwesterners.  So there is a noticeable difference in style and “personality.”  I am more used to the friendly, approachable midwesterners. 
This (and better day boating) is why we picked the Gulf side.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 07, 2020, 02:05:56 AM
Driving here is interesting.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Honestbuckeye on February 07, 2020, 05:29:27 AM
This (and better day boating) is why we picked the Gulf side.
Yes... I like inshore fishing so thankfully I live near several inlets (st.Lucie, Jupiter) where ther is great fishing.  My boat is just a 25 ft Bay boat, so it’s perfect for that.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on February 07, 2020, 07:47:11 AM
I may have mentioned this awhile back, but I went Inshore fishing with my FiL when we were at Marco Island, and the guide had us help him catch his bait, which I found to be really cool, had never done that before, with the huge nets and all that.     Fishing is always up and down, but those Inshore trips are always fun for me, being so used to traditional northwoods freshwater lake fishing.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Honestbuckeye on February 07, 2020, 08:37:26 AM
I may have mentioned this awhile back, but I went Inshore fishing with my FiL when we were at Marco Island, and the guide had us help him catch his bait, which I found to be really cool, had never done that before, with the huge nets and all that.    Fishing is always up and down, but those Inshore trips are always fun for me, being so used to traditional northwoods freshwater lake fishing.
Yes, very hit or miss.

most of my adult life in Michigan, I would consider myself almost expert level for those inland lakes.  Didn’t matter if it was Michigan, Wisconsin, Canada. I could take a lake map and find walleye, musky, bass, or pike.   

Down here, you might as well put a bag over my head.... clueless.   So much to learn and the big thing is, it is all related to tides and currents.   So many species.  But, I am learning which is part of the fun.  Had my boat for a year now.

One cool thing here is, you can and often do hook into anything, including some monsterous creature when you don’t expect it!
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 07, 2020, 08:40:50 AM
My friends down there seem to have it dialed in, both near shore and in open water. I look forward to learning from them, and eating the grouper that we catch.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on February 07, 2020, 09:21:00 AM
Fishing's not my thing, but I do like eating amberjack whilst in Florida.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Honestbuckeye on February 07, 2020, 09:33:08 AM
My friends down there seem to have it dialed in, both near shore and in open water. I look forward to learning from them, and eating the grouper that we catch.
If I recall, you like walleye for eating as much as I do.  Down here my favorite is Cobia! Needs nothing but maybe salt and Pepper.   Grilled 5 minutes per side.  I liken it the Filet Mignon of fish.  
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 07, 2020, 10:19:55 AM
If I recall, you like walleye for eating as much as I do.  Down here my favorite is Cobia! Needs nothing but maybe salt and Pepper.  Grilled 5 minutes per side.  I liken it the Filet Mignon of fish. 
Cobia is great, and I do love walleye.


So many choices down there. There aren't many bad ones.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 07, 2020, 01:06:40 PM
I've smoked a few great Cohibas

usually after dinner with a glass of scotch
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Post by: FearlessF on February 07, 2020, 01:15:34 PM
Here's a highlight reel of our tailgating from this past season. Yours truly got in there a few times, and Fearless may have snuck in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8jbCAWYPcE&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8jbCAWYPcE&feature=youtu.be)

Sadly, it may be our final season on the East River Flats. Still no word from the MPRB about the future.

nice work on the video!
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on February 07, 2020, 01:47:31 PM
I like walleye too!  Only ever had it in Minnesota, we either don't have it down here, or nobody likes to catch/cook it.  

But my buddy in Minneapolis had me over to his house a few times while I was working up there, and he'd grill it, or very lightly pan fry it.  So delicious!
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 07, 2020, 02:56:04 PM
Walleyes can commonly be found in areas of Iowa and Nebraska, but that's about as far south.

They have been introduced as far south as the northern Texas but don't do well there and I imagine numbers are few.

one of the best tasting fish in North America
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 07, 2020, 03:06:48 PM
Walleye is fantastic.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on February 07, 2020, 03:32:05 PM
Walleyes can commonly be found in areas of Iowa and Nebraska, but that's about as far south.

They have been introduced as far south as the northern Texas but don't do well there and I imagine numbers are few.

one of the best tasting fish in North America
Walleye is fantastic.

No doubt.  Really really delicious stuff.  MAkes me want to check the intertoobz and see if I could somehow have it delivered to me.

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on February 07, 2020, 03:36:05 PM
Hmmm, looks like I could have it delivered for something like $30/lb with shipping.  That's a little steeper than I was hoping.



Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on February 07, 2020, 03:48:16 PM
Walleyes can commonly be found in areas of Iowa and Nebraska, but that's about as far south.

They have been introduced as far south as the northern Texas but don't do well there and I imagine numbers are few.

one of the best tasting fish in North America
They thrive in deeper,darker,cooler waters.Pricey for sure 94 years ago when at least 4 buddies had boats   I always had perch/walleye in the freezer - now not so much.I was going to sell some to my friend who's a chef,then I factored in time,money and effort involved and decided to eat it myself - though I gave him a few fillets
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 07, 2020, 04:04:29 PM
Hmmm, looks like I could have it delivered for something like $30/lb with shipping.  That's a little steeper than I was hoping.




I haven't done much walleye fishing lately and my freezer is not well stocked.

If I spent more time fishing thru the ice and less time golfing in Texas, I might be able to bring a cooler of fillets to Texas the week after next.

I'll ask around to see if someone has more than enough.  Doesn't happen much in Iowa.  Have to go to Minnesooota, South dakota, or North Dakota to find guys that have more than they care to eat.
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Post by: utee94 on February 07, 2020, 04:10:24 PM
I haven't done much walleye fishing lately and my freezer is not well stocked.

If I spent more time fishing thru the ice and less time golfing in Texas, I might be able to bring a cooler of fillets to Texas the week after next.

I'll ask around to see if someone has more than enough.  Doesn't happen much in Iowa.  Have to go to Minnesooota, South dakota, or North Dakota to find guys that have more than they care to eat.
Around here, it's all my neighbors that have freezers full of venison!  I don't hunt deer myself but am a great beneficiary of their efforts.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Riffraft on February 07, 2020, 04:16:13 PM
Walleyes can commonly be found in areas of Iowa and Nebraska, but that's about as far south.

They have been introduced as far south as the northern Texas but don't do well there and I imagine numbers are few.

one of the best tasting fish in North America

I remember when Walleye almost disappeared from Lake Erie during the 70s. About all you could catch was some perch and few small mouth
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 07, 2020, 04:46:39 PM
Walleyes can commonly be found in areas of Iowa and Nebraska, but that's about as far south.

They have been introduced as far south as the northern Texas but don't do well there and I imagine numbers are few.

one of the best tasting fish in North America
The only freshwater rivals to walleye for me are crappie, and probably Great Lake whitefish.


Lake perch is OK. Super bland.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 07, 2020, 05:09:34 PM
Around here, it's all my neighbors that have freezers full of venison!  I don't hunt deer myself but am a great beneficiary of their efforts.

I get venison from friends around here.  If cooked properly it's very good.  The deer in these parts feed on corn, taste much better than venison I've had in Colorado, Texas, Wisconsin, and other parts.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on February 07, 2020, 05:25:49 PM
A comment on walleye, which in my humble view is over worshipped by my friendly Minnesotan friends.   It is tasty, but I'm telling you it is no better than Northern Pike.  The major malfunction with Pike is most people's struggle to remove the Y bone properly.  This is why it is very rarely seen on a restaurant menu.   I would concede, northern pike tastes better (much like walleye) in the proper size, and the colder the water the better.    We talk about this all the time in Canada, and love demoing this with newbies who are convinced that walleye is the only fish worth eating.

For instance,  the 'slot' in much of Canada is 16.1-22, you have to release every fish in the slot, then follow bag limit for above or below.   I would offer that walleye in the 22+ camp is not that good, and probably the reason I don't enjoy the Lake Erie walleye which is often sold in the Indy area, as those filets are 'too big', the fish isn't worth it for the price it commands.    Same vibe with Northern Pike, I'd never choose to eat one outside the slot on the 'big' side, that's why I release all Pike from the bottom end of the 'slot' all the way up.    Keep the  ones for shore lunch, or later freezing.

I'd also say bluegill is a great freshwater eating fish, but like hell am I going to catch, clean and prepare the 35 or more necessary for a meal.   I do wait until I know our local fish guys are going to have them, and they do a nice sale on bulk packages of bluegill.   

one thing I never understood is why virtually nobody eats (freshwater) bass in the north.   It was only until I was served some tasty small mouth (here in Kentuckiana/Tennessee region have I seen, that 'oh, this actually can be tasty.'   I attribute it to water temps/diets and other genetic reasons, or us northerners just like our perch, crappie, trout, whitefish and walleye that much that bass gets crowded out.  I mean, nobody is eating small/large/rock  bass in the north.   Is there a pocket somewhere in Michigan that I don't know about that does?
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Honestbuckeye on February 07, 2020, 06:14:59 PM
A comment on walleye, which in my humble view is over worshipped by my friendly Minnesotan friends.  It is tasty, but I'm telling you it is no better than Northern Pike.  The major malfunction with Pike is most people's struggle to remove the Y bone properly.  This is why it is very rarely seen on a restaurant menu.  I would concede, northern pike tastes better (much like walleye) in the proper size, and the colder the water the better.    We talk about this all the time in Canada, and love demoing this with newbies who are convinced that walleye is the only fish worth eating.

For instance,  the 'slot' in much of Canada is 16.1-22, you have to release every fish in the slot, then follow bag limit for above or below.  I would offer that walleye in the 22+ camp is not that good, and probably the reason I don't enjoy the Lake Erie walleye which is often sold in the Indy area, as those filets are 'too big', the fish isn't worth it for the price it commands.    Same vibe with Northern Pike, I'd never choose to eat one outside the slot on the 'big' side, that's why I release all Pike from the bottom end of the 'slot' all the way up.    Keep the  ones for shore lunch, or later freezing.

I'd also say bluegill is a great freshwater eating fish, but like hell am I going to catch, clean and prepare the 35 or more necessary for a meal.  I do wait until I know our local fish guys are going to have them, and they do a nice sale on bulk packages of bluegill. 

one thing I never understood is why virtually nobody eats (freshwater) bass in the north.  It was only until I was served some tasty small mouth (here in Kentuckiana/Tennessee region have I seen, that 'oh, this actually can be tasty.'  I attribute it to water temps/diets and other genetic reasons, or us northerners just like our perch, crappie, trout, whitefish and walleye that much that bass gets crowded out.  I mean, nobody is eating small/large/rock  bass in the north.  Is there a pocket somewhere in Michigan that I don't know about that does?
You are right on with the pike and walleye. When I have gone to fly in only in Canada, the walleye are allowed to be cooked for shore lunch and the best size is 16-18 inches.  Of course the water is cold and deep.
but they also are expert at removing the “Y” bone and they serve up the pike too, and is is amazing 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 07, 2020, 06:19:04 PM
I didn't mention pike because it's a bitch to clean. Particularly after a few pops...
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Honestbuckeye on February 07, 2020, 07:29:06 PM
I didn't mention pike because it's a bitch to clean. Particularly after a few pops...
😂😂
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 07, 2020, 08:57:52 PM
I'd also say bluegill is a great freshwater eating fish, but like hell am I going to catch, clean and prepare the 35 or more necessary for a meal.  I do wait until I know our local fish guys are going to have them, and they do a nice sale on bulk packages of bluegill. 

one thing I never understood is why virtually nobody eats (freshwater) bass in the north.  It was only until I was served some tasty small mouth (here in Kentuckiana/Tennessee region have I seen, that 'oh, this actually can be tasty.'  I attribute it to water temps/diets and other genetic reasons, or us northerners just like our perch, crappie, trout, whitefish and walleye that much that bass gets crowded out.  I mean, nobody is eating small/large/rock  bass in the north.  Is there a pocket somewhere in Michigan that I don't know about that does?
I've cleaned and eaten more Bluegill and largemouth bass than anything.
back in the late 60's early 70's there was a huge movement to build dams on farmland to prevent erosion

dams were stocked with largemouth, Bluegill, and channel cat
2 or 3 afternoons a week, my father, brother, and I were in a 12 ft v-bottom with electric trolling motor on a farm pond nearby fishing for largemouth
if the largemouth weren't biting, we'd fish Bluegills

didn't care much for the channel cat
Bluegill isn't quite as good as crappie, but very good
LArgemouth are not quite as good as walleye, but very good
I'd never turn down bluegill or bass
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on February 07, 2020, 10:05:40 PM
I remember when Walleye almost disappeared from Lake Erie during the 70s. About all you could catch was some perch and few small mouth
There was no limit on perch though.Catch as much as you can clean.Ate like kings or at least Captains
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on February 07, 2020, 10:12:33 PM
I didn't mention pike because it's a bitch to clean. Particularly after a few pops...
Canadians clean those Y bones before they learn to skate
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on February 07, 2020, 10:50:37 PM
Yep. Many of our guides actually work/live in Iowa in the winter months, run or have worked in meat lockers.  They clean those fish so fast,  it is a treat to watch them work.  We usually get everything else set up and they handle the fish. 

Those are the best lunches on earth. Some canned baked beans, onion, some hot sauce, lemon, rye or even white bread for sammies and of course cold beer, usually Labatts, even Blue Light.   I usually eat some of the cubed taters the first day, but that will lead you to untimely trips to.. ..hanging on to a tree if if you push your luck.

The lake trout is the luxury shore lunch specialty.   They are too good for the classic corn flake crumb breading and fry pan.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on February 08, 2020, 08:33:40 AM
Those are the best lunches on earth. Some canned baked beans, onion, some hot sauce, lemon, rye or even white bread for sammies and of course cold beer, usually Labatts, even Blue Light. 
Years ago before the Craft Beer Breweries got established we'd used bring back Canadian Beer as it was much prized.Laurentide used to be great but has been bought out - try Molson Export that was still tasty a few years back or John Labatt Classic if it's still made.And ya shore lunches up in the wild beat 5 Star bistros in the City.Can't beat the Ambience
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 08, 2020, 09:09:08 AM
careful to not eat enough on the shore to want to nap a bit in the boat in the afternoon

good livin, might have to put up the golf clubs for a week or two this season and take a fishin trip
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 08, 2020, 09:18:36 AM
preppin a shrimp boil in the crock pot this morning

everything goes in the pot but the shrimp, I go to the pub for frosted schooners, later add the shrimp for a few minutes and enjoy!

my first attempt in a crock pot, thinking about adding a yellow onion, the recipes I've checked don't call for onion

keeping it very mild so my oldest daughter can enjoy
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 08, 2020, 12:32:10 PM
Orleans is a nice small city.  It was just about bombed out by us in the war.  We don't hear much about cities like this one and Rouen and Caen that we carpet bombed.  This was a big rail center with bridges.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on February 08, 2020, 01:48:41 PM
Think that was one of Patton's stops in his race across France.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: ELA on February 08, 2020, 05:18:48 PM
I think literally the only thing the XFL could do better is make their teams tied to college conferences, and move their home games around.  Like each BCS conference has a team, Group of 5(4) has a team, and FCS and below has a team.  Then they each play one home game in a different stadium from that conference.  People lose interest, but if a team of Big Ten alums came and played one game in Ann Arbor, one at PSU, one at OSU, one in Chicago, I think they'd draw a crowd.  I'd go to that one time, and I'd have a sort of rooting interest
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: CatsbyAZ on February 08, 2020, 09:21:11 PM
For anyone who is ever wondering what Penn State's Larry Johnson is up to, he's very active on twitter, ranting like an Ancient Aliens episode in his endless promotion of conspiracy theories, especially those pertaining to Satanism, Illuminati, and other world control by the global elite.

Exhibit B:

https://twitter.com/2LarryJohnson7/status/1220038692657647617
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 08, 2020, 11:55:20 PM
Think that was one of Patton's stops in his race across France.
It was, August 16, they have. Plaque.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 09, 2020, 01:29:59 PM
These towns are flat closed on Sunday, even McDonalds was closed.  We found two wine shops open in Chablis and one pricey restaurant that was quite good.  We are in a tiny village now that looks completely deserted.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 09, 2020, 01:49:28 PM
a day of rest is good
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 09, 2020, 01:54:19 PM
@utee94 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=15) How spicy is this enchilada sauce supposed to be? Texas level spice or rest if the country spice level?

Just made the sauce for tonight, and I think it's got a little kick but the wife is worried she won't be able to eat a single enchilada. She doesn't have my spice tolerance. 

We're going to make a pan and reserve some brisket for quesadillas as plan b, but I'm wondering if I did something wrong or if that's just "authentic Texas flavor"... 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: CatsbyAZ on February 09, 2020, 03:30:23 PM
Anybody watching XFL?

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Post by: MichiFan87 on February 09, 2020, 03:48:36 PM
I watched a little of the DC game yesterday just out of curiosity. If it lasts into April I might attend a game just out of curiosity and because their coach is Michigan's former incompetent OC, Pep Hamilton. I've heard it's a neat stadium where they play and haven't been to a MLS game there, either.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 09, 2020, 03:55:04 PM
Anybody watching XFL?
The TV is turned on to XFL... I'm not sure I'm really doing what you'd call "watching" though... More that it's background while I do a bunch of other things.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 09, 2020, 04:29:42 PM
I watched a little AFL because of Spurrier and his offense really working well.  I don't care about the XFL, though.  How is it?
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 09, 2020, 04:35:08 PM
watching golf

great golf course
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: CatsbyAZ on February 09, 2020, 10:09:43 PM
I watched a little AFL because of Spurrier and his offense really working well.  I don't care about the XFL, though.  How is it?


It’s like watching the Delaware Blue Hens and trying to actively convince yourself you’re watching a Michigan game because of the similar winged helmets.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 09, 2020, 10:58:21 PM
@utee94 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=15) How spicy is this enchilada sauce supposed to be? Texas level spice or rest if the country spice level?

Just made the sauce for tonight, and I think it's got a little kick but the wife is worried she won't be able to eat a single enchilada. She doesn't have my spice tolerance.

We're going to make a pan and reserve some brisket for quesadillas as plan b, but I'm wondering if I did something wrong or if that's just "authentic Texas flavor"...

I take it back. It had some kick, but nothing outlandish when put into the dish. She's just a wuss for spice lol... 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on February 10, 2020, 08:04:00 AM

It’s like watching the Delaware Blue Hens and trying to actively convince yourself you’re watching a Michigan game because of the similar winged helmets.
Delaware may take offense to that.J/K,M Fans
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on February 10, 2020, 09:22:07 AM
I take it back. It had some kick, but nothing outlandish when put into the dish. She's just a wuss for spice lol...
Yeah the gravy itself probably tastes spicier on its own, but once you blend with tortillas, cheese, and filling, it usually isn't that spicy.  (Also, sour cream is a relatively common addition to tone down anything that seems too spicy, so if you like sour cream, feel free to add).

To your original question, the level of spice is dictated entirely by the type and blend of chile peppers you use (if you're reconstituting dried pods), and amount of pods or chili powder you use (if you're not reconstituting your own dried chiles).

Ancho (which is dried, smoked poblano) is relatively mild.  Chipotle (which is dried, smoked jalapeno) is spicier.  Dried New Mexican peppers (often commonly referred to as Hatch peppers although that word technically describes a subset from a particular region) can range a lot, from mild, to pretty darn spicy.  And like many other plants/vegetables, smaller usually equals more intense, so in the case of peppers, smaller usually means hotter.  I typically add a handful of chile de arbol to crank up the heat a bit, but omitting them is fine, too.  It's more important to use a wide variety to diversify the flavor profile.   
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 10, 2020, 11:35:09 AM
Few places are as cold as windy, damp, cold France.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on February 10, 2020, 12:55:38 PM
Residents along north central portions of I-65, 55, 57. 69,and 75 know how you feel.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on February 10, 2020, 12:57:42 PM
France is definitely pretty miserable in the wintertime.  And early Spring.  And late Fall.

Late Spring and early Summer feel pretty great though, IMO.

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 10, 2020, 01:02:09 PM
You know, having been in Calgary in the winter, not to mention Minneapolis, I think that France is probably nowhere near as bad. 

But then I wasn't going to either place on "vacation". They were business trips. So at least it wasn't my own money that brought me there. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on February 10, 2020, 01:08:21 PM
The distinction is, you can largely enjoy winter activities in those places,  I'm not doing shit when its 37 and raining for 48 hours.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: GopherRock on February 10, 2020, 10:15:07 PM
Few places are as cold as windy, damp, cold France.
Seattle?
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 10, 2020, 10:19:38 PM
northwest Iowa, northeast Nebraska
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on February 10, 2020, 11:38:47 PM
Seattle?
Yeah, my brother says there hasn't been a sunny day since end of Dec.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 11, 2020, 03:18:58 AM
Damp and cold is worse to me than just cold, below freezing cold, and they don't seem to believe in heating their homes here.  It was 17 degrees last night in this house, Celsius.  I have a fire going here this morning.  Felt like camping out last night.  

Some faint sun today at least and the wind has abated.  Driving a Toyota Yaris at 130 kph on a windy day is entertaining.

That car is complete junk in my book, the transmission is crap as is the clutch, and it has no power, duh.  130 is near max.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on February 11, 2020, 09:12:40 AM
Damp and cold is worse to me than just cold,
Hell,yes I use to stick those days out while Deer Hunting.Foolishly thinking Nanook of the North would reward me for my diligence - um,no.Just one time did we winter camp while hunting rain/sleet put an end to that idea
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on February 11, 2020, 09:22:54 AM
Few places are as cold as windy, damp, cold France.
Last Fri/Sat it was in the twenties but crisp,bright with light flurries & sunshine(perfect Christmas Day).Yesterday & today in the mid 30s but gray,damp & cloudy
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 11, 2020, 09:31:43 AM
We are headed to Marseilles Friday at least.  I am ready to be home.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on February 11, 2020, 10:45:03 AM
Hell,yes I use to stick those days out while Deer Hunting.Foolishly thinking Nanook of the North would reward me for my diligence - um,no.Just one time did we winter camp while hunting rain/sleet put an end to that idea

We winter camp all the time, but it's not quite the same down here. :)

Still, many times we've been camping with overnight lows below freezing.  Typically days will get up into the 50s though, and a couple might hit mid-60s.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 11, 2020, 10:52:09 AM
so, that settles it.

I'm retiring to utee's neighborhood, not to France
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on February 11, 2020, 12:15:58 PM
You don't want to do that.  You'll lose your kidneys.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: CWSooner on February 11, 2020, 12:46:52 PM
Few places are as cold as windy, damp, cold France.
Per British historian John Keegan, the French settlers of what is now Canada were unpleasantly astounded at how cold it got.
The Norsemen who came there and made it Normandy thought that northern France had a nice climate.
OTOH, read U.S. soldiers' memoirs of WWI and you see a lot of complaints about "dud weather."
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 11, 2020, 03:02:48 PM
probably soldiers from Oklahoma and Texas
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: CWSooner on February 11, 2020, 06:35:23 PM
Eddie Rickenbacker was from Columbus, Ohio, IIRC.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on February 11, 2020, 07:11:19 PM
We winter camp all the time, but it's not quite the same down here. :)


Problem is when you are done hunting for the day you want to warm up & eat fast.Well if you camping in the cold it doesn't lend itself to that.Winter camping is fine,just not coupled with the other though I proved I could do it.Prolly the worst  week of vacation I ever had but got a glimpse what the Mountain Men trapping went thru - no Bears though
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on February 11, 2020, 07:12:25 PM
Eddie Rickenbacker was from Columbus, Ohio, IIRC.
Yup think they closed the AF Base named after him
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 12, 2020, 12:11:26 AM
Near freezing, no sun, and humidity, not pleasant, with little heat in this house.  Have a fire going at least.

Three years ago we visited Verdun in December, that was worse, speaking of WW One.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on February 12, 2020, 02:02:59 AM
https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2020/02/112134/ohio-states-amir-riep-jahsen-wint-charged-with-rape-kidnapping (https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2020/02/112134/ohio-states-amir-riep-jahsen-wint-charged-with-rape-kidnapping)


Ohio State senior cornerback Amir Riep and redshirt senior linebacker/safety Jahsen Wint were charged with rape and kidnapping by Columbus Police on Tuesday.

Warrants have been issued for both of their arrests. The charges are first-degree felonies.

Ohio State has suspended the two players indefinitely from all football team activities.


Damn I hope not true if so send them to the Big House as long as possible
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on February 12, 2020, 11:58:01 AM
Damp and cold is worse to me than just cold, below freezing cold, and they don't seem to believe in heating their homes here.  It was 17 degrees last night in this house, Celsius.  I have a fire going here this morning.  Felt like camping out last night. 
Just Checked the forecast,weather in the ATL was 70 deg  :s_laugh:  laughing with you not at you though I doubt you're grinning
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 12, 2020, 12:23:41 PM
Today had some sun.  We had lunch with friends at Le Patton, eponymous with some general dude.  He did,liberate this place August 1944 and Ike moved into the castle which has 2100 rooms.  Lunch was OK.  Drinking wine from Irancy now by a nice fire.

Atlanta had snow last week apparently.  Headed to Marseilles Friday by TGV.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 12, 2020, 12:26:38 PM
Ohio State senior cornerback Amir Riep and redshirt senior linebacker/safety Jahsen Wint were charged with rape and kidnapping by Columbus Police on Tuesday.


Warrants have been issued for both of their arrests. The charges are first-degree felonies.


Ohio State has suspended the two players indefinitely from all football team activities.
got any walk-ons that could use those two senior scholarships???
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on February 12, 2020, 01:15:18 PM
If they did that I hope they are caned
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 12, 2020, 01:48:08 PM



Damn I hope not true if so send them to the Big House as long as possible

You want them to transfer to Michigan?
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on February 12, 2020, 08:37:08 PM
Well with Lewan,Gibbons and Clarke gone there is a thug vacuum there 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Abba on February 13, 2020, 08:40:33 AM
got any walk-ons that could use those two senior scholarships???
Obviously, it's a horrible situation.  I almost feel bad saying this, but the fact here is that the Buckeyes were a few scholarships over 85, so this does save some other guys from being "Creaned", which I guess all the big schools are doing now.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 13, 2020, 10:00:28 AM
I suspected the Buckeyes didn't have a strong walk-on presence 

Nebraska and Wisconsin and teams in the West aren't "big" schools, but we aspire to attain that status.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Badger1969 on February 13, 2020, 01:08:32 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/0gjKQSP.jpg)
Target needs to recheck their team loyalty, especially being located in Minnesota!  LOL
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Benthere2 on February 13, 2020, 01:38:44 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/0gjKQSP.jpg)
Target needs to recheck their team loyalty, especially being located in Minnesota!  LOL


This guy has already been let go.  
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on February 13, 2020, 01:53:13 PM
When I first heard about this it reminded me of this really 'smart' guy with a bunch of fancy degrees and his statement that the Twin Cities were Minneapolis and Milwaukee.  I'm not surprised to see this even from somebody within the walls of Target.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 13, 2020, 01:59:12 PM
I can't believe that the southeast Asian sweatshop employees that made the shirt didn't check their artwork or notice the mistake?!
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on February 13, 2020, 02:49:39 PM
The good ones have already moved here
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on February 13, 2020, 03:17:48 PM
Come on, the number of proofs and layers of approval that likely come with anything they sell, it's really a disgrace.   

Having said that,  I would have bought a whole stack of em.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 13, 2020, 03:23:09 PM
those would be some rough and tough looking gophers
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 13, 2020, 04:10:19 PM
My random word for the year 2020 is meh, and burfle....
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 13, 2020, 04:20:15 PM
after an extended stay in France........... I understand
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Badger1969 on February 13, 2020, 05:22:31 PM
I am sure the Asian sweat shops said, Badgers or Gophers what's the big deal they kind of look the same and both dig holes.   Lol
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 13, 2020, 05:30:53 PM
rodents

they're all the same
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on February 13, 2020, 08:51:37 PM
A few years back, this was made available on the official SEC online store:

(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/c_fit,f_auto,fl_progressive,q_80,w_470/17ufnsbu0spyejpg.jpg)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 13, 2020, 09:30:40 PM
I am sure the Asian sweat shops said, Badgers or Gophers what's the big deal they kind of look the same and both dig holes.  Lol
There, I was thinking they were thinking "they all taste the same..."
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Benthere2 on February 13, 2020, 11:53:47 PM
I had a Baseball cap that said Gophers on the back but had the Michigan M on the front  it was gold with a maroon M but the m was not the slanted Minnesota M but the straight Michigan M  I got it as a gift from my mother in law so I had to wear it once in a while so she could see I appreciated the gift
first chance I got it was trashed

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on February 14, 2020, 02:20:26 PM
A few years back, this was made available on the official SEC online store:

(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/c_fit,f_auto,fl_progressive,q_80,w_470/17ufnsbu0spyejpg.jpg)
Should have got your wife one for Today - :D
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on February 14, 2020, 04:58:27 PM
Ha!

Yeah that would go over well...
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 15, 2020, 03:46:01 AM
Bee Zar.  
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 15, 2020, 01:42:03 PM
LSU and FSU going to play in '22 and '23.  That's interesting.  Another interesting bit is that they're both home/neutral games at New Orleans first, then Orlando.  NOLA, sure, it's down the road from Red Stick.  But Orlando?  Tallahassee isn't close to any major city, really, but I'd think Jacksonville would make more sense.  Perhaps they're doing it in Orlando for recruiting purposes.
It could be purely a population thing (2.5 mil vs 1.5 mil in each metro area), but if it's purely recruiting, it's a big arrogant, possibly signifying that they feel confident in having the majority of the Jax kids.  
Each of the big 3 get Jax kids, but it's fair to say FSU does better than the other two.  
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 15, 2020, 03:49:35 PM
$$$$$$$$$$$&&
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 15, 2020, 04:41:06 PM
I bought a pound of curing salt #1. I have about 3# of pork belly. 

I guess I'm making bacon this weekend :72:
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 16, 2020, 11:33:01 AM
Weird scene ... Walking along the local market and being passed by a squad of soliders spaced out in tax gear with MP4s.  No one pays any notice.  Police we're about as well.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on February 16, 2020, 02:56:40 PM
Been at a Vball tournament in Ft. Wayne this weekend.  Some awesome basketball memorialbilia at this complex.  Including Oden's size 20s, some great jerseys and artifacts in here, old shoes HS jeresys of Big Dog, Kemp.  I like the IU warmups from last 70s and the Larry Bird baseball pictures the best.  
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 17, 2020, 09:01:13 AM
Misting rain all day, got pretty wet walking, found great place for lunch.  Clearing a bit now and we're tired.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 17, 2020, 10:52:26 AM
France sounds awful, lol.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 17, 2020, 01:53:24 PM
Bacon is in the cure, in the fridge:

(https://i.imgur.com/5CuB6pv.jpg)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 17, 2020, 02:13:45 PM
France sounds awful, lol.
Like most things in life, it has pluses and randomness.

i do like that a lunch that is say 12 euros is exactly that, no tax, no tip ...

and and the food can be excellent.  Burger King has several outlets here.

we had a great lunch today, I had moules et frites pot a fer.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 17, 2020, 02:18:41 PM
Oh, and winter is not great here weather wise, even in Marseille.  But, no tourists either, good trade for me.

I like Marseille in general.  himmler had a large tract dynamited in 1944 for spite.  He was one of the nastier Nazis.

Orlean was bombed out by us.  Paris was saved by Von Choltitz.  

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietrich_von_Choltitz
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 17, 2020, 02:24:27 PM
Oh, and winter is not great here weather wise, even in Marseille.  But, no tourists either, good trade for me.

Yep. That's a trade I like.

Not that we ever have "bad" weather here in SoCal, but I basically avoid all the beach cities in the summer, and prefer them in the winter. When it's a high of 55 degrees and all the natives are huddling around their fireplaces under blankets, I enjoy the ample parking and the low traffic in the beach cities. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 17, 2020, 02:26:48 PM
Tomorrow is forecast as windy, not rainy.  Our last day in effect, though we have another on the train to CDG and a night at the Hilton there, which has a nice executive lounge.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 17, 2020, 06:48:23 PM
Opportunity to do some good, in a Boilermaker's name...

I'll be popping in a few bucks on Friday... 

https://www.stbaldricks.org/participants/mypage/1054120/2020#content (https://www.stbaldricks.org/participants/mypage/1054120/2020#content)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: GopherRock on February 17, 2020, 06:52:31 PM
Oh, and winter is not great here weather wise, even in Marseille.  But, no tourists either, good trade for me.

That's why our next trip to Italy will be in January. 

Do people sing La Marseillaise in Marseilles?
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 18, 2020, 01:57:43 AM
Not that I have heard.  The French are generally not patriotic outwardly.

Good seafood here, I see seiche at the market, again.  Dorade is quite good, shrimp is not.

Not windy as yet, wife still asleep.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on February 18, 2020, 07:49:58 AM
Great seafood in Marseilles for sure.  The first bouillabaisse I ever had and it pretty much ruined it for me anywhere else. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 18, 2020, 09:30:57 AM
Sunny and war, today, really nice.  My digestion however is not happy, so I am resting.  Tomorrow back to CDG.  I am ready to be home.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Roaddawg on February 18, 2020, 03:29:17 PM
Been at a Vball tournament in Ft. Wayne this weekend.  Some awesome basketball memorialbilia at this complex.  Including Oden's size 20s, some great jerseys and artifacts in here, old shoes HS jeresys of Big Dog, Kemp.  I like the IU warmups from last 70s and the Larry Bird baseball pictures the best
Been at a Vball tournament in Ft. Wayne this weekend.  Some awesome basketball memorialbilia at this complex.  Including Oden's size 20s, some great jerseys and artifacts in here, old shoes HS jeresys of Big Dog, Kemp.  I like the IU warmups from last 70s and the Larry Bird baseball pictures the best. 
Where was the tourny?  
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on February 18, 2020, 03:39:20 PM
Where was the tourny? 

Uhhh.... Ft. Wayne?
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on February 18, 2020, 08:42:08 PM
Heh.

Speice Fieldhouse.    Two long days.  Nicely run facility,  though the ladies could use another bathroom. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Roaddawg on February 18, 2020, 10:02:26 PM
Heh.

Speice Fieldhouse.    Two long days.  Nicely run facility,  though the ladies could use another bathroom.
They just went through some financial issues and we thought it might close down.  Previous owners sucked the money without much needed repair work.  They have had a lot of competition in the past 10 years for court space with Parkview Hospital (a non-profit cough cough) building and buying a lot of sports places.   Wish I would have known, it would been nice to meet and catch up!  
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Roaddawg on February 18, 2020, 10:02:40 PM
Uhhh.... Ft. Wayne?
DUH
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on February 18, 2020, 10:28:12 PM
Yeah, the older kids (13-18) were all at the Parkview SportOne Fieldhouse, it was a huge event. That looks spiffy on the outside.    The Speice facility definitely is older, but I like it in a very much no frills sort of way, the basketball standards and shot clocks looked worked over big time, and there's no doubt a lot of competition in the Midwest for these types of events.  I always think about what the 'books' look like at places like this.  It was comfortable as it really is going to get for a giant volleyball tournament with 8 courts going at once.

I thought of you as I was hauling at about 80 out of town to get home at a reasonable hour.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Roaddawg on February 18, 2020, 11:25:51 PM
Yeah, the older kids (13-18) were all at the Parkview SportOne Fieldhouse, it was a huge event. That looks spiffy on the outside.    The Speice facility definitely is older, but I like it in a very much no frills sort of way, the basketball standards and shot clocks looked worked over big time, and there's no doubt a lot of competition in the Midwest for these types of events.  I always think about what the 'books' look like at places like this.  It was comfortable as it really is going to get for a giant volleyball tournament with 8 courts going at once.

I thought of you as I was hauling at about 80 out of town to get home at a reasonable hour.
SportOne is the showcase arena for local sports.  Almost all of the youth events are ran by them (Parkview) or connected in some way.  Speice started it all off many many years ago, but like I said they milked the money and didn't care about growth.  Parkview is $2.5B money hog and they need a way to hide all that "non-profit" stuff.  Its good for the local athletes, but creates other issues as well, I am sure you understand since you are involved in Travel Sports and such.

Hit me up next time.  We need another gather of the minds, it would be fun!    
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: NorthernOhioBuckeye on February 19, 2020, 09:16:53 AM
SportOne is the showcase arena for local sports.  Almost all of the youth events are ran by them (Parkview) or connected in some way.  Speice started it all off many many years ago, but like I said they milked the money and didn't care about growth.  Parkview is $2.5B money hog and they need a way to hide all that "non-profit" stuff.  Its good for the local athletes, but creates other issues as well, I am sure you understand since you are involved in Travel Sports and such.

Hit me up next time.  We need another gather of the minds, it would be fun!   
What was the age group for this VB tourn? My daughter plays club VB for the University of Toledo and they had a tourny at UT this weekend that I attended. Just curious of your daughters ages. I have spent many years traveling to VB tourny's around Ohio, Michigan, Indiana and Kentucky. I feel for you. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on February 19, 2020, 10:10:07 AM
My oldest plays 11s. This was a 10-18 tourney two day affair.  16 teams per group.  As a coach of the fall rec league teams, it's nice just to be a parent.  
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 21, 2020, 11:15:45 AM
I got a rather heavy package from Drew today.

Suffice it to say it's amazing.  It is some incredible woodwork and design coupled with a glass vase and looks incredible.  It has an honored place now among other memorabilia in my office.  The main piece shows my son's name and "Never Forgotten" and an inverted M-16.

I couldn't even envision such a design much less construct same.  I knew he was sending me something but this is over the top.

I thought I'd acknowledge the gift in general terms here as well as to him personally.

I've always been a great fan of inlaid wood items and this one is way up the list.


Time goes by for us all.  Somehow I survived, and am happily married and my two kids are both doing great.  It will be fifteen years in August, somehow.  

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on February 21, 2020, 11:32:14 AM
i like doing stuff like that... glad you liked. ..... by the way, that's Sapele, with purple heart wood- braced by white ash... somewhat symbolic. 

i did these two as well- one for a family into horses, kinda obviously, and the other who restores planes and flies them all over the great white north (which is what i call it, but it isn't always 'white'- it's the UP of Michigan where I have property/cabin, and they take care of it for me because i'm rarely there.. this was a 'thanks')... 

(https://www.drewswoodcraft.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/osterlund.jpg)

(https://www.drewswoodcraft.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/gervae-1.jpg)

the pony is inset an inch and three quarters deep into a bowl... the plane was a PITA, but... i got close enough i think... the inset is an inch and three quarters and the tip of the tail is flush with the overall piece... i did it from this pic which is his actual bird (a restored military training bird, and i think they flew them as late as Vietnam as spotter/observation birds too) : 

(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/16836260_10154991181127270_6864772555542831233_o.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_ohc=LuWytVPSwDIAX8s-nIh&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=b230dbe731c8b961fb61bcf467f4d3ac&oe=5EC95C12)

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 21, 2020, 12:55:03 PM
Beautiful work, Drew!
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on February 21, 2020, 01:50:00 PM
thank you, Sir... just something i tinker with. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 21, 2020, 03:02:00 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_O-1_Bird_Dog (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_O-1_Bird_Dog)

(https://i.imgur.com/ZgbXM3d.png)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on February 21, 2020, 03:43:40 PM
that's the one!!!

i think the color of his is significant- perhaps it was the way the trainers were painted?  he posted pictures on facebook of some sort of rally in Wisconsin for these things, and there must have been a hundred of them- and i'm only slightly exaggerating.  I was giggling that any one of them could have flown away with anyone else's bird and hardly noticed!!!
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 21, 2020, 03:48:49 PM
Yeah, it's basically a Cessna 172, the kind I used to fly around.  Those guys had some guts flying them in combat.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 22, 2020, 10:53:47 AM
4 weeks from today, we will board a plane to Lima, Peru. We will board the cruise ship, and end up in Miami on April 5. Really looking forward to passing through the Panama Canal. It's a bucket list thing for me. Can't wait.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 22, 2020, 02:07:53 PM
Visas for Turkey cost $50 and last only 180 days.  

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 22, 2020, 02:24:09 PM
Good thing I'm never going to visit Turkey. I don't trust that country.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 22, 2020, 02:51:00 PM
We're going with our neighbor, who is Turkish, and visiting Istanbul and that local area some.  It should be interesting.  I'll let you know if we make it back.

One item is that departing flights for western Europe all seem to leave at 4:15 AM.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 22, 2020, 03:02:43 PM
So, we have this cheapie "First Alert" document safe thing where we store the usual stuff.  The wife put her passport in it yesterday and locked it and I later in the day discover the batteries are dead.  OK, where are the keys?  And of course we moved since I had anything to do with it.  After searching high and low, she did locate the keys, and life is good.  I kept one of them.  I don't think we have much fire risk here, the building is concrete and steel and has a sprinkler system, which probably would cause more damage than a fire.  Burglars?  Tough to get into the place.

That was a bad feeling for a while with a trip coming up and a locked up passport.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 22, 2020, 05:56:54 PM
safe deposit box at the bank is where I look for things as important as as passport

after that it's anyone's guess
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 23, 2020, 08:44:15 AM
I saw a gig about the ten most important games next season and excerpted a few that are not "played every year":

Auburn - UNC - The Heels should be pretty good.  Game in ATL.

Clemson at Notre Dame - duh.

Ohio State at Oregon

UGA at Bama - in September, early game.

FSU at Boise State

The rest were SEC West matchups, meh.  UGA plays UVA in ATL Game One which is a bit of a something.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 23, 2020, 09:21:23 AM
BYU plays at Minnesooota next fall

I'm curious to see if the Gophers can keep winning
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on February 23, 2020, 09:26:16 AM
Talent and attention to detail.I'd waste a small forest before I'd remotely approach that.I'm envious,my carpentry skills haven't advanced much since High School.Did put a front porch/deck on the folks house with 2 brothers is about it.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 23, 2020, 09:31:26 AM
Other than Georgia Tech, future non-conference opponents include
Virginia next year in Atlanta.
Oregon in 2022 in Atlanta,
at Oklahoma in 2023,
Clemson in Atlanta in 2024,
a home and home with UCLA in 2025 and 2026,
at Florida State in 2027,
at Texas and home against Florida State in 2028,
at home against Texas and at Clemson in 2029,
Clemson and Ohio State at home in 2030,
at Ohio State and home against Oklahoma in 2031
a home and home against Clemson in 2032 and 2033.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 23, 2020, 09:52:56 AM
UW gets Notre Dame in Green Bay this year. Soldier Field next year.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 23, 2020, 10:14:28 AM
Can you explain why UW is playing these games off campus with ND and LSU?  I understand playing off campus with a one off, but not a series.

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 23, 2020, 11:37:18 AM
Brisket grilled cheese and smoked tomato bisque. Both recipes from Vindulge:

https://www.vindulge.com/brisket-grilled-cheese-sandwiches/ (https://www.vindulge.com/brisket-grilled-cheese-sandwiches/)
https://www.vindulge.com/smoked-tomato-bisque/ (https://www.vindulge.com/smoked-tomato-bisque//)


(https://i.imgur.com/cZ7ezoe.jpg)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 23, 2020, 12:41:44 PM
Can you explain why UW is playing these games off campus with ND and LSU?  I understand playing off campus with a one off, but not a series.


Neither LSU nor ND would come to Madison. In the case of Green Bay (30K) and Chicago (25K), each team will receive the same number of tickets. ND is the "home" team in Green Bay. UW is the "home" team in Chicago.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 23, 2020, 12:43:04 PM
Well, I say it's spinach.  Two game series should be home and away, period, on campus.  When I'm in charge ...

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 23, 2020, 12:43:56 PM
UW and Bama will play a true home/away series coming up soon.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 23, 2020, 12:44:24 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/Lv04FR3.png)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 23, 2020, 01:03:00 PM
Brisket grilled cheese and smoked tomato bisque. Both recipes from Vindulge:

https://www.vindulge.com/brisket-grilled-cheese-sandwiches/ (https://www.vindulge.com/brisket-grilled-cheese-sandwiches/)
https://www.vindulge.com/smoked-tomato-bisque/ (https://www.vindulge.com/smoked-tomato-bisque//)


(https://i.imgur.com/cZ7ezoe.jpg)

Sweet baby jesus...
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 23, 2020, 02:37:56 PM
making me hungry
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 23, 2020, 03:42:17 PM
Lunched at a place called Farm Burger, burger and beer for $10, plus tax.  The plus tax thing gets me.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 23, 2020, 03:50:27 PM
the tax man never sleeps
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 23, 2020, 03:52:55 PM
After a month in France, it sort of hit me, again, and our sales taxes are pretty high here, nearly 9%.

In Europe, if a meal is say 10 euros, that is what you pay, no tip, no tax (it's hidden of course).

We found a place serving coffee, fresh squeezed OJ, and a croissant for 3.50 euros.  The OJ was fantastic.
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Post by: MrNubbz on February 23, 2020, 04:19:03 PM
Brisket grilled cheese and smoked tomato bisque. Both recipes from Vindulge:

https://www.vindulge.com/brisket-grilled-cheese-sandwiches/ (https://www.vindulge.com/brisket-grilled-cheese-sandwiches/)
https://www.vindulge.com/smoked-tomato-bisque/ (https://www.vindulge.com/smoked-tomato-bisque//)


(https://i.imgur.com/cZ7ezoe.jpg)


If I was a Mod the Ban hammer would be out,Stop It.Next thing ya know badge and 94 will be throwing their results up here too.And Fearless will post pictures of Beef Ribs from Bone Daddy's - none of which I can reemotely hope to purloin or procure.Damn salads,steamed veggies with rice & beans
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 23, 2020, 04:32:10 PM
Speaking of food, this was lunch we had in Chablis.

(https://i.imgur.com/dYj4Uqd.jpg)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 23, 2020, 04:33:39 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/id6mbVN.jpg)

One thing I like about nice lunches in France is the cheese cart, which is dessert in effect.  (Entree of course is the ENTRY to the meal, not the main course.)  They roll these things out just as I'm thinking I AM FULL (je ne plus fam).  And I start again with some of this and that and oh, that one too.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 23, 2020, 04:34:55 PM
And what would Chablis be without some photos of wine?

(https://i.imgur.com/n7yDG64.jpg)

This is one of my favorite, Jean Marc Brocard.  The dude is actually the brother of his daughter in law.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 23, 2020, 04:35:41 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/aeL9wyB.jpg)

This was the restaurant, if you are ever there.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 23, 2020, 04:36:16 PM


(https://i.imgur.com/thMHOo5.png)

It's a nice lunch when you have a Grand Cru with it.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 23, 2020, 04:37:26 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/EK5zypk.jpg)

Taken from our hotel balcony in Marseille, of the "Old Port".
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Post by: Cincydawg on February 23, 2020, 04:38:17 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/UZBTzTx.jpg)

Marseille.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 23, 2020, 04:43:25 PM
If I was a Mod the Ban hammer would be out,Stop It.Next thing ya know badge and 94 will be throwing their results up here too.And Fearless will post pictures of Beef Ribs from Bone Daddy's - none of which I can reemotely hope to purloin or procure.Damn salads,steamed veggies with rice & beans

so, obviously you inspired Cincy

BoneDaddy's doesn't offer beef ribs on the reg menu, but it was 2 years ago today that I was at Louie Mueller's in Taylor enjoying a beef rib
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 23, 2020, 04:50:03 PM


(https://i.imgur.com/oRUfgII.png)
This is inside the cathedral in Orlean (the old one).  I thought it was interesting given that we bombed that city flat almost in the war.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 23, 2020, 06:31:10 PM
A few things some might not know about France:

1.  The intercity freeways are nearly all tolls.  Speed limit is 130 kph.  They have rest stops called aires every few miles.
2.  They have an amazing number of types of mustard.
3.  The different regions are at least as different as they are in the US.  In Alsace and Brittany they still speak local languages somewhat.
4.  There is a WW One/Two memorial in every town and city listing names of those fallen.
5.  We heavily bombed a number of cities in France in WW 2, Rennes, Orlean, Caen, Rouen, among a few others.  Himmler had the Panier district of Marseille dynamited in 1943.
6.  They have strict zoning for the most part and little urban sprawl and few strip malls.
7.  Their main wines are very parallel to ours for the most part except zinfandel, which they don't have.  We can thank Jefferson in part for that.
8.  Smaller cities tend to have trams for intracity transport.  The lanes are VERY narrow in general.  Parking, fuggit about it.
9.  You can get a decent hotel outside Paris for around $100 or so a  night.  Paris is tres cher.
10.  The drivers are pretty good overall, they have quite strict driving tests.  They can be a bit aggressive in traffic, but about like in NYC.  You better make up your mind and do it quickly.
11.  The larger traffic circles have no lane markings, at all.  They can be entertaining.  Or not.  I once had my verbal GPS say "Take the seventh exit at the roundabout.".
12.  The young folks smoke a LOT.  Way more than here.


Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 23, 2020, 08:41:50 PM
all things I didn't know

interesting
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 23, 2020, 08:43:56 PM
[img width=273.429 height=332]https://i.imgur.com/id6mbVN.jpg[/img]

One thing I like about nice lunches in France is the cheese cart, which is dessert in effect.  (Entree of course is the ENTRY to the meal, not the main course.)  They roll these things out just as I'm thinking I AM FULL (je ne plus fam).  And I start again with some of this and that and oh, that one too.
Their cheese game is strong.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 23, 2020, 08:45:36 PM
better than Wisconsin?
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 23, 2020, 08:46:59 PM

7.  Their main wines are very parallel to ours for the most part except zinfandel, which they don't have.  We can thank Jefferson in part for that.
Wasn't there a huge grape blight 100+ years ago that caused them to import vines from California?

Apparently Bordeaux is at the same latitude as Napa, and Rhone at the same latitude as Paso Robles. And hence Napa is Cab country while Paso loves their GSM blends...
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 23, 2020, 08:48:14 PM
better than Wisconsin?
The ads here say good cheese comes from happy cows , and happy cows come from California. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 23, 2020, 08:54:25 PM
cows don't pay taxes, they could be very happy in Cali
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 24, 2020, 06:45:35 AM
Wasn't there a huge grape blight 100+ years ago that caused them to import vines from California?

Apparently Bordeaux is at the same latitude as Napa, and Rhone at the same latitude as Paso Robles. And hence Napa is Cab country while Paso loves their GSM blends...
Their vines were heavily hit by phylloxera in the late 1800s.  They managed by using root stock of vines from the US, not the entire vines, just the root stocks.  Vines are generally grafted onto roots.  They don't like talking about this.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_French_Wine_Blight

N (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_French_Wine_Blight)apa is at the same latitude as Rome/Spain and a fair bit south of Bordeaux.  Whether an area is good for cab depends on much more than latitude of course.  In Sonoma county for example, the Russian River valley is good for pinot/chardonnay, and 10 miles away in Alexander Valley it is good for cab and Rhone varietals.  The Rhone valley area is quite long but quite a bit north of Paso.  The broad term for where a certain varietal may be good is "terroir", which is a combination of soil, altitude, sun exposure, and latitude.  Soils that are4 gravely and drain well tend to be preferred, like the subregion called Graves in Bordeaux.  

Oddly, the expensive wines Petrus and Cheval Blanc in Bordeaux are in clay dominant areas.  Chablis is on a limestone outcropping (Kimmerridgian).  Champagne is the northern most major wine growing region and the vines are planted on south facing slopes to get as much direct sun as possible.  Their still wines reputedly are not very good which is why they nearly always are "carbonated" by a specific method.

The main wine regions of France are Bordeaux, Burgundy (which includes Chablis and Beaujolais), the Rhone valley, and Champagne.  If you know those, you are in good shape.  Bordeaux corresponds loosely to Napa and Burgundy with Sonoma (in parts) and Oregon, you need cooler weather at night for pinot noir and chardonnay.

Champagne is nearly always chardonnay, with at times pinot noir and pinot meunier, blanc de noir would have only the latter two and is still white wine.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 24, 2020, 07:31:15 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/B8NxW39.jpg)
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Post by: Cincydawg on February 24, 2020, 07:35:55 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/ai9RBuS.jpg)

If you ever read the book "Pillars of the Earth", you might get a fictional general idea of how these things were built, but seeing them in person, well, I can't imagine it anyway.  Aside from the shear size of the main pillars and the weight of those blocks cut and hoisted into place, there is the artistry of the carvings and stained glass that is incredible, literally.  This is the cathedral at Chartres, but the one at Orlean is perhaps even more impressive.

(https://i.imgur.com/YmohEpQ.jpg)


(https://i.imgur.com/Uwgz9jJ.jpg)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 24, 2020, 07:36:50 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/aE4csmN.jpg)

Orlean.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on February 24, 2020, 07:46:48 AM
Brisket grilled cheese and smoked tomato bisque. Both recipes from Vindulge:

https://www.vindulge.com/brisket-grilled-cheese-sandwiches/ (https://www.vindulge.com/brisket-grilled-cheese-sandwiches/)
https://www.vindulge.com/smoked-tomato-bisque/ (https://www.vindulge.com/smoked-tomato-bisque//)


(https://i.imgur.com/cZ7ezoe.jpg)


Boom, that's what I'm talking about. I do brisket grilled cheese pretty regularly, although my favorite use for leftover brisket is enchiladas.  I always use cheddar and maybe some monterrey jack, but their suggestion of mixing with gruyere or comte is a strong one.  Gruyere might be my favorite cheese on the planet.  

There's a restaurant in Houston that does a different take on brisket-grilled cheese, they use a housemade piemiento cheese spread as the cheese portion, and it adds a different whang to the whole deal.  Really tasty.

So, what wine would you say pairs best with brisket grilled cheese?
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 24, 2020, 07:58:25 AM

So, what wine would you say pairs best with brisket grilled cheese?
I think I'd have to do many repeat experiments to answer this correctly.  Ha.

I'm going to throw a curve here and go with Sancere.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: NorthernOhioBuckeye on February 24, 2020, 08:15:52 AM
Speaking of food, this was lunch we had in Chablis.

(https://i.imgur.com/dYj4Uqd.jpg)
I see a lot of plate with no food on it. ;)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 24, 2020, 08:18:44 AM
I see a lot of plate with no food on it. ;)
Yeah, this is of course typical of French cuisine, but I guarantee nobody leaves hungry.  This is sort of the antithesis of Golden Corral.

The wife once asked me if she would like GC and I said "No.".
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 24, 2020, 08:33:49 AM
Wasn't there a huge grape blight 100+ years ago that caused them to import vines from California?

Apparently Bordeaux is at the same latitude as Napa, and Rhone at the same latitude as Paso Robles. And hence Napa is Cab country while Paso loves their GSM blends...
Soil and precipitation are more important than latitude.


And enough with the California cow crap. Don't come calling when you knuckleheads run out of water.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on February 24, 2020, 08:34:19 AM
so, obviously you inspired Cincy

BoneDaddy's doesn't offer beef ribs on the reg menu, but it was 2 years ago today that I was at Louie Mueller's in Taylor enjoying a beef rib
Please no more pictures
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 24, 2020, 08:38:22 AM
I think I'd have to do many repeat experiments to answer this correctly.  Ha.

I'm going to throw a curve here and go with Sancere.
I think a big Zin would work quite well with that beautiful dish that I will be copying very soon.

I like this one, from Scott Harvey. His Barbera is excellent too.

(https://www.scottharveywines.com/assets/images/products/pictures/13-InZINerator-Cropped-BENJZE.jpg)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on February 24, 2020, 08:43:00 AM
A few things some might not know about France:

5.  We heavily bombed a number of cities in France in WW 2, Rennes, Orlean, Caen, Rouen, among a few others.  Himmler had the Panier district of Marseille dynamited in 1943.

From reading Max Hastings,John Keegan,Antony Beevo,Niall Barr - Normandy absolutely got pummeled.Forget the numbers but at least as many inhabitants as combatants perished.I had read during Montgomery's attempt to take Caen 7,000 tons of ordinance were dropped per mile from Air Corp and Naval Guns offshore.The Caen went from 65,000 to like 16,000 people.The countryside resembeled a lunar landscape and the city was ruble from descriptions
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on February 24, 2020, 08:45:42 AM
I see a lot of plate with no food on it. ;)
Rich people playing with their food
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 24, 2020, 08:48:11 AM
I've stayed in Caen.  And yes, quite a bit of it was leveled, as much by artillery and street fighting as bombing.  St. Lo was the same.  In between is the nice town of Bayeux which was not touched at all.  It is a great place to stay if you visit.

We bombed rail centers like Orlean and Rennes and Rouen where little street fighting happened.

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 24, 2020, 10:12:32 AM
Yeah, this is of course typical of French cuisine, but I guarantee nobody leaves hungry.  This is sort of the antithesis of Golden Corral.

The wife once asked me if she would like GC and I said "No.".

I don't think ANYONE really likes GC.

The GC here went out of business
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on February 24, 2020, 11:13:08 AM
Please no more pictures

What, like this?


(https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/58949801e58c62bf3713b669/1486138441562-P0PLSJ1FKJUBCTWXQ1W8/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kAGx3IFADtt9koaOuly55F57gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z4YTzHvnKhyp6Da-NYroOW3ZGjoBKy3azqku80C789l0pTKqSDRwmMK43IUI3HojJX_iGOyvGz0VEAhzFdMwNTUP3iYIRpjRWHZRVGJwIQ0nA/Beef+Ribs_13.jpg?format=1500w)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 24, 2020, 11:21:52 AM
N (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_French_Wine_Blight)apa is at the same latitude as Rome/Spain and a fair bit south of Bordeaux.  Whether an area is good for cab depends on much more than latitude of course.  In Sonoma county for example, the Russian River valley is good for pinot/chardonnay, and 10 miles away in Alexander Valley it is good for cab and Rhone varietals.  The Rhone valley area is quite long but quite a bit north of Paso.  The broad term for where a certain varietal may be good is "terroir", which is a combination of soil, altitude, sun exposure, and latitude.  Soils that are4 gravely and drain well tend to be preferred, like the subregion called Graves in Bordeaux. 

For me, the best thing to come out of the Russian River and/or Dry Creek areas is Zin... I like my Zin more fruity and peppery, though, not so much a fan of jammy zin.

But yes, I agree that terroir is much more important than latitude. Hence Sonoma Valley being "right next to" Napa Valley and yet the wines are so very different because of the foothills between them that block the clouds from reaching Napa Valley. So Napa is warmer and drier. 


So, what wine would you say pairs best with brisket grilled cheese?
Truthfully, I'd go with a beer pairing. You could go two ways. You could go with a big roasty flavor like an American stout, because that is a flavor that would stand up to all that cheese and the smoke. The other option would be to go clean and bitter to cut through the heaviness of the cheese. While you'd expect me to say IPA, this would be a good place for a hoppier pilsner. 

For wine, again I think you need something either with enough flavor and "pop" to stand up to the cheese and brisket. I think a big, heady, oaky Cab would distract. I'd go with a peppery Zinfandel [not a jammy one], or maybe a Syrah. Something with "punch you in the mouth" aggressiveness. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 24, 2020, 11:51:24 AM
It's not a smoked dino bone, but we made short ribs yesterday...

All credit goes to the wife on this one... Red wine braised short ribs (in the slow cooker) over sweet potato mash.

(https://i.imgur.com/KoddgDB.jpg)

Since we're on the subject of wine, a bottle of Unruly Cab was the braising liquid... 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on February 24, 2020, 02:14:34 PM
Looks delish, I'd eat that bwar.


And yes I agree that beer is the perfect pairing.  Pilsner is great, though I wouldn't go hoppy (obviously).  A delicious perfectly balanced Czech pilsner is the best pairing IMO.

(and when it comes to beer and BBQ, I've tried pretty much every pairing possible ;))

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 24, 2020, 02:22:43 PM
I have yet to try every beer-Q pairing possible.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 24, 2020, 02:33:02 PM
Bud Heavy pairs very well with BBQ, especially beef rib!

there's a pic of a Louie Mueller rib

 (https://scontent.ffod1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/16722648_10208716317964562_925792473593652910_o.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_sid=e007fa&_nc_ohc=WOXt90YCOm0AX-X_gui&_nc_ht=scontent.ffod1-1.fna&oh=b36b03a54cf7e22f21526d72bc5bb4c9&oe=5EFE20A6)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 24, 2020, 07:09:49 PM
Rainy and dreary here all day, but I remind myself "Spring" is not too far off and rain is needed for plants and stuff.  I was off my training regime in France and am working back into it but have not been running yet.  I'd love to drop another 5 kg before baseball in January.  I'm going to do a bit more distance running until fall and work on swimming even though our poor is pretty limited.  The wife is fixing lentils for dinner, which I like.

The wife also bought me a piano today.  She seemed more excited that I.  They had them at Costco and I erred by stopping.  I have not really played in a LONG time, the parenting thing and all that, but hopefully can get back into it.  I sold my piano in Cincy before the move because I almost never played it and was frustrated when I tried.

(https://i.imgur.com/uOx4vsc.png)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 24, 2020, 07:36:20 PM
keep those fingers nimble for baseball

golf courses need rain
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on February 24, 2020, 08:53:39 PM
I have yet to try every beer-Q pairing possible.

Then you're not trying hard enough. :)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on February 24, 2020, 09:31:13 PM
have any of y'all ever heard of Duplin wine?  it's made nearby... it's a horrid thing. i wouldn't rec abusing yourselves with such... however... however they make a habanero wine... and it is- so wildly different than anything i've ever drank before it's worth not only mentioning, but actually pressing upon you guys to try if you encounter it.  it's sweet up front, much like their other almost italian syrup type 'wines', and you wonder why you bothered... and then that pepper hits you a full second afterward- finish? no... it's way past the 'finish'... it's not exactly hot, but.. it gets the other responses hot gets is the only way i can explain it.  it has heat, but not like biting into a scotch bonnet would be.  it's.... strange... in a very different but not bad (not exactly good either) way, and worth trying just for that reason alone..... it suggests there are many dimensions of wine i've never heard of before, though i hesitate calling it wine. 

i think they only do it every once in a while, and, i'm not sure how far 'duplin's' market reach is....   
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 24, 2020, 09:34:33 PM
I'd give it a try

I like sliced jalapenos in my margaritas  
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 25, 2020, 07:38:53 AM
Wine, simply, is a fermented beverage made from fruit, any fruit.  If all the sugars are fermented, it's a "dry wine".  That is all that dry means, very low residual sugar levels.  Sweet wines are produced by interrupting fermentation to retain some sugar.  With port, they add alcohol to stop fermentation, for example.  Blackberry wine is wine, they usually leave it sweet.  Sake is not wine, it's more akin to beer, because neither use fruit for fermentation.

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on February 25, 2020, 08:23:34 AM
Yeah sake is actually produced like beer, not wine.  I'll admit it here, I don't love it.  I'm okay with it and will usually have some if anyone orders some "for the table" but it's just too oddly sweet for me.  I'll typically order a Japanese beer or just drink water in its place. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 25, 2020, 10:34:58 AM
I'll drink nearly anything of high quality that has alcohol content

and some things that are not high quality according to utee
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 25, 2020, 11:38:09 AM
Jim Harbaugh and the Michigan Wolverines will not be traveling abroad in what has become an annual spring trip because of fears over the coronavirus, the school said Monday.

"The football team will not be taking an international trip this spring due to health concerns around the world, most notably coronavirus," team spokesman Dave Ablauf told MLive.com in a text message. "[We're] looking at doing some community service in the Ann Arbor area."
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 25, 2020, 11:41:24 AM
There is some kind of Chinese liquor that is highly prized and very expensive and it TASTES LIKE .... bad stuff.  REALLY bad stuff.  I forget the name.

Wow, I just googled bad tasting Chinese liquor and Moutai came right up.  This tastes SO bad it's worth going out of your way to try it.  I have never tasted any alcoholic beverage ever close.

(https://i.imgur.com/lgXFtCb.png)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 25, 2020, 11:42:41 AM
According to Chinese media, baijiu is the best-selling liquor in the world, and Maotai is the most famous brand of baiju--and one of the few available in the United States. Maotai is pricey: Only finer Chinese restaurants in the States carry it, and the first time I tried it the bottle--stout, ceramic, and red, like a can of Chinese Barbasol--set us back $115 (fortunately, we split it 10 ways). It is normally served at room temperature, but like soju or sake it can be warmed on a burner.

Actually, Maotai's taste is easy to describe; what's hard is to explain why people would drink it. As Tim Clissold noted in his memoir, Mr. China,
Quote
I've never met anybody, even at the heights of alcoholic derangement, prepared to admit that they actually liked the taste ... After drinking it, most people screw up their faces in an involuntary expression of pain and some even yell out.
To be fair, baijiu is undeniably popular, a staple of the Chinese banquet scene (though, according to the New York Times, the Beijing liquid lunch is fading fast (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/08/world/asia/08china.html)). Maotai has been in production for over 200 years and is a regular winner at international liquor competitions, roping in 14 since the Chinese Revolution. And yet, and yet ... distilled peas. Zimmern, you have your challenge.


https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2009/04/is-this-the-best-selling-liquor-in-the-world/13060/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2009/04/is-this-the-best-selling-liquor-in-the-world/13060/)



Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 25, 2020, 11:53:16 AM
Wow, I just googled bad tasting Chinese liquor and Moutai came right up.  This tastes SO bad it's worth going out of your way to try it.  I have never tasted any alcoholic beverage ever close.


like the raccoon commercials?
I'm not going that far out of my way
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 25, 2020, 12:04:41 PM
What gets me is that most distilled liquors, until you acquire the taste for them, taste "horrible."

They BURN going down. It doesn't matter how good of a liquor it is, Johnnie Walker Blue or the best tequila or six-times distilled vodka. That much alcohol in any solution creates a burning sensation. 

If you give something like that to someone who has never had liquor, they're going to screw up their face and wonder why you're trying to poison them.

It's only after you've acquired the taste, and learned to distinguish the subtle flavors that accompany the sensation, and start to appreciate those flavors, that you can even stomach such drinks. 

People don't start by drinking whiskey. They drink a whiskey & coke, or a whiskey sour, or a 7&7, and slowly acclimate their palate to start appreciating what the whiskey starts bringing to the table. Then they might drink it straight on the rocks (the cold blunts the flavor and sensation), and only if they decide they really like it do they start drinking it neat. 

Many people never do. They try to find the smoothest vodka they can, drop it into a cocktail full of fruit and sugar to mask the flavor/sensation, and never would consider drinking straight liquors because they simply don't like it. 

I'll bet that appreciating baiju is much like appreciating fine whiskey here; seen as a sign of sophistication. So people put in the time and effort to develop the taste for it, and for some of them (like here with whiskey) they actually grow to enjoy and appreciate it. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 25, 2020, 12:16:31 PM
Baiju tastes HORRIBLE, indescribably bad, not anything close to my first taste of spirits or Scotch.  We should all get together and try it some time.  I guarantee you you'd be amazed at how awful it is and not want another drink.  You could mix it 1:9 with Coke and it would taste horrible.

It tastes like stale fermented skunk piss that was left out to rot for a year.

No, it's worse than that.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 25, 2020, 12:22:06 PM
https://www.foodandwine.com/cocktails-spirits/youve-never-tasted-anything-baijiu (https://www.foodandwine.com/cocktails-spirits/youve-never-tasted-anything-baijiu)

What It’s Like: Baijiu is hard to pin down. Its flavor is different from any other spirit, so the usual descriptors like smoky, citrusy, fruity, etc., don’t really apply. And Moutai is one of the most distinct baijius—it’s classified as a “sauce” fragrance, the boldest of the classifications, which also include thick fragrance, light fragrance and honey fragrance. This is going to sound unappetizing, but there is definitely something rotten about it—and that’s good. There’s a funk—like sweet, rotting fruit or really good Parmesan. You might taste a touch of nutty sherry on the periphery or homemade blackberry eau-de-vie, but that’s just your American brain grasping at memory straws in an effort to articulate what you’re tasting. There is one thing I can say for sure: It is distinctly savory. Not salty, but savory and funky and fermented. As for the high alcohol level, there’s no burn on the palate but you’ll feel a subtle warmth in your chest.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 25, 2020, 12:36:08 PM
Baiju tastes HORRIBLE, indescribably bad, not anything close to my first taste of spirits or Scotch.  We should all get together and try it some time.  I guarantee you you'd be amazed at how awful it is and not want another drink.  You could mix it 1:9 with Coke and it would taste horrible.

It tastes like stale fermented skunk piss that was left out to rot for a year.

No, it's worse than that.
Granted, I've never had baiju. So I don't have a basis for comparison with my own taste buds.

But you're talking about a culture where heavily-fermented foods are used and enjoyed MUCH more frequently than in any western cuisine. Think kimchi. Think stinky tofu. Think fish sauce. We're talking about a cuisine where durian is prized, but stinks so badly that it's banned from public transport? There are a lot of flavors in Chinese and Asian cuisine that are completely foreign to westerners. 

Is it that odd that the various flavor descriptors sound similar to some of the other fermented foods common to the area? "Funk", "barnyard", etc? 

I think it might be more of a case that "it tastes absolutely HORRIBLE to western palates", not that it's objectively horrible. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 25, 2020, 12:40:08 PM
I like roquefort and other strong cheeses a lot. I like kimchi. I like Lagovulin.  I like Woodford, cognac, marc, Calvados, Irish whiskey, grappa ... I've even eaten seiche.  I worked for years in a lab with organosulfur compounds that would make skunk odor seem nice.

I get your point about the flavors of Chinese foods, and I'm sure (??) for many Chinese this is good stuff.  I'm merely stating emphatically that FOR ME it is beyond the most horrible thing I have ever tasted.

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on February 25, 2020, 12:45:02 PM
Mmmmmm roquefort.  Perhaps my second favorite cheese in all the world.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 25, 2020, 12:49:27 PM
grappa and roquefort

perfect pairing!
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 25, 2020, 12:53:07 PM
I'm merely stating emphatically that FOR ME it is beyond the most horrible thing I have ever tasted.
Fair 'nuff.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on February 25, 2020, 12:57:05 PM
grappa and roquefort

perfect pairing!

Sure why not?!?!

Sauternes is the king for that pairing, but I really love to drink rose' or dry Bordeaux Blanc with it.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 25, 2020, 01:12:01 PM
I like the extra "kick" in the grappa
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on February 25, 2020, 01:20:55 PM
Baijiu (I believe that's pronounced bai-jYO) isn't all horrible.  My introduction into it also informed me that it has quite a range of aroma and intensity across brands.  The only constant is the mineral water appearance.  It definitely has complexity and a plum brandy type mouthfeel. 

In my view it's no more extreme or powerful as slivovitz or other eastern European plum brandies which are often. 110+ proof.  It's not what I want, and it's barely around the States I'm guessing.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: NorthernOhioBuckeye on February 25, 2020, 01:23:16 PM
Jim Harbaugh and the Michigan Wolverines will not be traveling abroad in what has become an annual spring trip because of fears over the coronavirus, the school said Monday.

"The football team will not be taking an international trip this spring due to health concerns around the world, most notably coronavirus," team spokesman Dave Ablauf told MLive.com in a text message. "[We're] looking at doing some community service in the Ann Arbor area."

I'm told that there are no plans for a replacement trip to Indianapolis in December as it has been deemed unrealistic. - Kevin Harrish, 11 Warriors.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 25, 2020, 01:42:06 PM
Does Harbaugh have any plans for a trip to Indianapolis in December?

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 25, 2020, 02:20:57 PM
Indianapolis is beautiful in December

and obviously always full of culture and history!
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on February 25, 2020, 02:38:26 PM
Indianapolis is beautiful in December

and obviously always full of culture and history!
It was very nice here this December.  😀
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 25, 2020, 02:47:09 PM
I'm up for another December visit....

hopefully, Coach Frost is up to the challenge 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 25, 2020, 02:51:34 PM
Does Harbaugh have any plans for a trip to Indianapolis in December?


Sure does, but plans often fail.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 25, 2020, 06:01:54 PM
It hit 67°F here which was nice today.  A work crew outside nicked a main water line and our building is sans water and the street is flooded pretty badly.  This has been going on since 1 PM, still gushing.  They were replacing a sewer line to the restaurant below us.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 25, 2020, 06:09:58 PM
inconvenient, but less so that nicking the gas line

shit happens when working underground
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 25, 2020, 06:26:58 PM
I'm thinking CDawg doesn't have gas service in his building. I recall discussion about an induction cooktop.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 25, 2020, 06:33:11 PM
Only 194 days to go now.

Today, Purdue officially begins its journey to that season opener at Nebraska on September 5. The Boilermakers open spring practice on Monday. It's the beginning of what, to an outside observer at least, looks like a crucial season for the long-term trajectory of the program.


You could say the same about Nebraska's 2020, which sets up a high-stakes opener the likes of which we haven't seen at Nebraska in quite some time.

https://hailvarsity.com/s/9028/hot-reads-a-high-stakes-opener-already-taking-shape (https://hailvarsity.com/s/9028/hot-reads-a-high-stakes-opener-already-taking-shape)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 25, 2020, 06:37:16 PM
I'm thinking CDawg doesn't have gas service in his building. I recall discussion about an induction cooktop.
You are correct.  We do somehow have gas water heaters on the roof I'm told.  Hot water is included in our HOA, along with water.  Our HOA is pretty reasonable I think considering it includes that plus cable and internet, 24 hour security, a pool and gym and common areas.  I was paying nearly $200 a month for internet and cable.

My last electric bill for heat etc. was $88, but we were out of town.  Our old house needed painting every 4 years or so, it had wood siding.  That was over $100 a month I don't pay now.  My property taxes are double but the price of the condo is double.

The induction range incidentally is superb IMHO.  I MUCH prefer it to gas.  
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 25, 2020, 07:00:00 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/gWyyqCf.png)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 25, 2020, 07:01:42 PM
The torrent of water has stopped.  I'm hearing someone with a serious power saw cutting metal who just stopped as guys were yelling at him to stop.  He's back at it now.  There are EIGHT large trucks out there, two popo cars, flashing lights, a Bobcat, and about 40 men standing around looking officious, and one dude in the trench with said power saw.  Oh, and Klieg lights now of course.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 25, 2020, 07:38:37 PM
  I was paying nearly $200 a month for internet and cable.

That's your own fault.  Cable providers are jacking up rates as they lose customers and prey on people who don't know any better.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 25, 2020, 07:57:18 PM
That's your own fault.  Cable providers are jacking up rates as they lose customers and prey on people who don't know any better.
I know better. I got rid of cable because I refuse to stomach that cost.

But my internet is >$100/mo because I live in a place were I have a choice of that for reasonable speeds, or DSL at 3 Mbps. And I literally mean that; it's not a typo. 3 Mbps. You can't reliably stream in standard def at 3 Mbps. 

So my entertainment cost is $102/mo for internet, $45/mo for Hulu Live TV, and $16/mo for Netflix. That's not much worse than what @Cincydawg (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=870) was paying, and without getting my TV from the cable company.

In a rational locale with internet competition, I'd bet I'd cut that internet cost in half. But there is no competition here.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 25, 2020, 07:58:11 PM
It was my CHOICE.  I accepted the trade in a free market.  I felt it was worth it.  The alternatives for me were not as appealing.

Now, it's all in my HOA bill.  I'm still paying for it, it's just hidden, sort of, and I don't have a choice now of course, but it works for me.  Some of my neighbors don't like it at all because they don't use cable.

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 25, 2020, 08:04:57 PM
It was my CHOICE.  I accepted the trade in a free market.  I felt it was worth it.  The alternatives for me were not as appealing.
Well, I understand that's a choice... But I disagree that it's anything approaching a free market.

Your choice was between a government-granted monopoly to your cable provider, or cobbling together a hodgepodge of services on the open market, or going satellite for TV at similar cost, while being bent over the barrel from said cable provider for your internet. 

I understand that sometimes dealing with a single provider is easier than a hodgepodge. But nothing regarding the cable/internet market is even remotely a free market.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 25, 2020, 10:31:29 PM
part of the reason great internet service is not competitive is the cost to bring fiber optic cable to your house

part of the cost is insurance and damage to other underground utilities such as the water main or the gas line
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on February 25, 2020, 10:42:09 PM
Truth.  Metronet has been invading my hood and while they offer competition here to uverse and spectrum,  they seem to be on a tear, through mains of all kind throughout the hood.  Some mixed reviews about them.   They obliterated the water and sprinkler lines at my old house.  That happened not two weeks after we sold and moved out.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 26, 2020, 08:20:24 AM
When I moved in with the wife, they had satellite, DirecTV I think.  AT&T also offered coverage, as did two or three other groups.  I liked Roadrunner, and I changed the house over to it.  It was a lot faster and more reliable and the additional cost was minimal, if any.  It seems like a competitive market to me.

I don't have choice now of course, it's DirecTV and it seems to be decent.  

The street outside is "Fixed".  They put two metal plates over the hole with some asphalt to ease the transition.  I'm sort of impressed they finished it last night.

I see separately trucks putting in "cable" all over which is presume is fiber optic.  It's usually an orange "cable" that comes on hoops.  We are supposed to get a 3.3x speed upgrade here shortly, we're told.  I don't know if that is related.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 26, 2020, 10:32:39 AM
When I moved in with the wife, they had satellite, DirecTV I think.  AT&T also offered coverage, as did two or three other groups.  I liked Roadrunner, and I changed the house over to it.  It was a lot faster and more reliable and the additional cost was minimal, if any.  It seems like a competitive market to me.
Ahh, I stand corrected. Consider yourself lucky, as there are a great many of us who have only one option or who have one good option and one completely non-viable option.

Nobody here wants to build out a wired alternative to the cable company in a 50 year old neighborhood when wireless 5G home internet is around the corner, so until that build-out arrives, I'm stuck with the cable company's internet.

Which works fine and is fast, to be fair, but it is much more expensive than it would be if there was competition.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 26, 2020, 10:38:10 AM
Of course, we all would prefer to be able to choose better TV packages.  I get a thousand channels or so now and watch maybe 15 or so, ever. 

It would be "nice" to pay for those 15.  I realize this isn't how it works.

When I was a kid in Augusta, GA, we got two channels.  We moved to ATL in 1964 and got THREE!!!!  Then UHF started up and we kinda got four, the UHF channel was 17 and very poor reception, and that became TBS.  Somewhere in there PBS started.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 26, 2020, 11:34:40 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/wjepGDH.png)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 26, 2020, 12:41:43 PM
the Orange stuff could very well be fiber optic cable, but could also be duct that the fiber is pushed or pulled through later

duct is a great investment, cost the same to be placed, but can be more easily spliced and then new or additional fiber cable pulled
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 26, 2020, 01:04:31 PM
I read somewhere we're getting fiber optic in the area.  Ah, it's "google fiber" and the orange is indeed conduit.

https://www.wabe.org/google-fiber-construction-begins-midtown-atlanta/ (https://www.wabe.org/google-fiber-construction-begins-midtown-atlanta/)

Six months after announcing that Google Fiber was coming to Atlanta, construction has begun in Midtown. 

Crews are laying down cables underground and building 23 fiber huts to store equipment in the metro area. 

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 26, 2020, 05:08:23 PM
Of course, we all would prefer to be able to choose better TV packages.  I get a thousand channels or so now and watch maybe 15 or so, ever. 

It would be "nice" to pay for those 15.  I realize this isn't how it works.

with the right 15 channels it might cost quite a bit more than the price for a thousand
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 26, 2020, 05:17:51 PM
The few times I channel surf by one channel I'm AMAZED how many "networks" are shopping channels.  Some are focused solely on say gold coins, and there is more than one.  There are a bunch of music channels as well, but I understand that.  The sound quality does not seem to be very good.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 26, 2020, 05:25:32 PM
the shopping channels don't charge the carrier  - FREE

the music channels are not high fidelity , but cost pennies
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 27, 2020, 08:15:49 AM
Yeah, the music channels are free, and they are not good fidelity at all.  The Radio Classique the wife brings up seems to be pretty good fidelity.  She still won't let me crank up the volume if she's here.  We only have a common wall with one neighbor and he told me he can't hear our stereo.  His office is on the other side of the wall.

I got a new receiver a few months back and was surprised at the improvement in fidelity.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MichiFan87 on February 27, 2020, 11:45:22 AM
I think we've discussed streaming options before, but YouTubeTV works well for me and anyone else who primarily watches sports and occasionally news channels along with some other common channels. It's only $50 / mo and can be shared with up to 6 people (within close geographic proximity) and up to 3 devices can be used simultaneously.

Supposedly wifi networks could become obsolete by 5G, but I haven't met anyone who's done that yet.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 27, 2020, 11:47:43 AM
true, but you'll need a 5G antenna in your Roku box or your smart TV or your Fire Stick and your laptop and tablet and desktop and any other device
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Entropy on February 27, 2020, 11:49:51 AM
One of the issues with just buying the 15 channels you want is networks won't sell you the one station you want out of their catalog.  They want to leverage them.   You want the food network, here is animal planet, HGTV, Discovery, etc that comes with it.  
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 27, 2020, 11:51:20 AM
that's where the FCC needs to step in

haven't yet and lobby money says they will not anytime soon
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 27, 2020, 12:12:58 PM
I understand why we can't cafeteria cable channels, but I wish we could.  I just live with the profusion of ridiculous channels.  

Since I live in a condo, I don't have choice anyway, and frankly what we have is pretty good.  I get SEC N and can listen to Paul Finebaum all day, and his erudite callers.

Whatever became of Australian Rules Football?
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 27, 2020, 12:39:52 PM
Supposedly wifi networks could become obsolete by 5G, but I haven't met anyone who's done that yet.
true, but you'll need a 5G antenna in your Roku box or your smart TV or your Fire Stick and your laptop and tablet and desktop and any other device
Exactly. More likely you'll have a 5G ethernet/wifi router, rather than a "cable modem". 

The wifi infrastructure is ubiquitous and won't be going away anytime soon. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on February 27, 2020, 12:41:38 PM
true, but you'll need a 5G antenna in your Roku box or your smart TV or your Fire Stick and your laptop and tablet and desktop and any other device
Exactly.  I don't consume video over my phone, I hate the small size and find it practically worthless.  I understand some people like it, which is fine.  

I consume video almost exclusively on television sets.  Occasionally on the laptop, but really only when I'm searching up DIY videos and such.  Never on a phone or tablet.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on February 27, 2020, 12:51:11 PM
F*** IT drop Cable.Sack Up "Hey what's this lying around shit,what over...over - nothing is over until we decide it is,was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?Hell no and it ain't over now,who's with me?Where's the spirit?Where's the guts huh?This could be the greatest night of our lives,but you're gonna let it be the worst.Ew,we're afraid to go with you bluto we might get in trouble - well just kiss my ass from now on,not me,I'm not gonna take this,AT&T,they're dead,Direct TV - dead,Dish - dead.......
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 27, 2020, 12:56:42 PM
We were in Costco yesterday, I was getting an eye appt, and whilst waiting for this and that was assailed by the TV section.  They had an 84 INCH monster up there for something like $2200.  It was a WALL.  Even up close I could not make out pixels, I know they were feeding it 4 K.

This S is amazing to me, and the QLED stuff is even more so.  I have a 65" class 1 K TV that I still think is "just fine".  I'm looking for what to do with my stock market gains.  (Perhaps I should check it out today.)

The wife bought me a piano at Costco the day before that, I may have mentioned, a new fangled piano kind of thing.  It has good action.

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on February 27, 2020, 12:57:58 PM
 what we have is pretty good.  I get SEC N and can listen to Paul Finebaum all day, and his erudite callers.

Not sure if that lines up with having it pretty good but hey this is 'Murica
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 27, 2020, 01:44:25 PM
We were in Costco yesterday, I was getting an eye appt, and whilst waiting for this and that was assailed by the TV section.  They had an 84 INCH monster up there for something like $2200.  It was a WALL.  Even up close I could not make out pixels, I know they were feeding it 4 K.

This S is amazing to me, and the QLED stuff is even more so.  I have a 65" class 1 K TV that I still think is "just fine".  I'm looking for what to do with my stock market gains.  (Perhaps I should check it out today.)

I would point out that the picture you see in those displays won't be the level of quality you'll actually see when you're watching TV, *even* if you're watching 4K content.

Any broadcast content (whether OTA, cable/satellite, or streaming) is heavily compressed to reduce the bit rate they have to transmit. It's compressed to the point where the 4K stuff is not really THAT much better than 1K to your eyeballs.

These demonstration videos, or any 4K content you get on UltraHD Blu-Ray discs, however, will be as high of a bit rate as they can make it, since they don't have to send it over a pipe or over the air. So if you watch a lot of movies stored on discs, you'll get a better experience with 4K, but if you're watching anything broadcast it won't be much better.

The technology for 4K is far better, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the broadcasts will take advantage of that technology.


Quote
I'm looking for what to do with my stock market gains.
With coronavirus, you still have those?
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 27, 2020, 01:50:14 PM
Was joke.  And no, I'm not buying a TV any time soon.  I do enjoy the stuff they show at Costco and understand it's not what I'd get at home.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 27, 2020, 02:27:40 PM
This S is amazing to me, and the QLED stuff is even more so.  I have a 65" class 1 K TV that I still think is "just fine".  I'm looking for what to do with my stock market gains.  (Perhaps I should check it out today.)


don't look, BadgerFan will be going to lunch with his broker soon
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 27, 2020, 02:40:52 PM
The following is how 247Sports national analyst Barton Simmons ranks the league's starting quarterbacks, from top to bottom, ahead of the 2020 season with insight on a few of the most notable:

https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/Ranking-the-Big-Ten-starting-quarterbacks-in-2020-Ohio-State-Buckeyes-Michigan-Wolverines-Penn-State-Nebraska-144276988/#144276988_1 (https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/Ranking-the-Big-Ten-starting-quarterbacks-in-2020-Ohio-State-Buckeyes-Michigan-Wolverines-Penn-State-Nebraska-144276988/#144276988_1)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on February 28, 2020, 09:20:23 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/pEQUUWI.png)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 28, 2020, 01:02:15 PM
Well it's not like it's easy to find this stuff in 4K yet.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 28, 2020, 01:13:02 PM
So, we have two heat pumps that operate using water, and the main one is apparently not pumping heat.  I've recycled it a number of times and one time it heated and stopped.  Meh.

I guess I'm saving on electricity but it's a bit nippy here today.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 28, 2020, 01:48:01 PM
So, we have two heat pumps that operate using water, and the main one is apparently not pumping heat.  I've recycled it a number of times and one time it heated and stopped.  Meh.

I guess I'm saving on electricity but it's a bit nippy here today.
I repainted the kitchen wall where the thermostat is mounted just before Christmas.

Because I wasn't happy with the old thermostat, I ended up not fully hooking it up (just putting it back on the wall) and ordered a new one. So it's not actually hooked up to the furnace. 

Because I live in SoCal and really don't need to run the heat anyway, I haven't felt a lot of pressure to put the new thermostat in yet. Been too busy with other things.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 28, 2020, 02:52:56 PM
I got a service call for Monday to see what's up.  Maybe it needs Freon, I hope.  It's a very unusual heat pump that runs off the water supply.  Our bills are very low so I guess they work well.  Tonight is going to be frosty but the bedroom is on a floor with a working pump so we're good.  Then it warms up and if the sun is out we can heat the place with the sun pretty well.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 28, 2020, 07:59:02 PM
geothermal wells that temper the water for the heating AC units

Cincy, probably too far to walk, but I'm watching diners drive-ins

looks good

https://www.joycafeatl.com/ (https://www.joycafeatl.com/)

1100 Peachtree St NE #110, Atlanta, GA 30309
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 29, 2020, 08:03:57 AM
beautiful spring day here, headed to Columbus, NE for a round of golf

and a few Bud Heavies!

FORE!!!!
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 29, 2020, 08:16:48 AM
don't look, BadgerFan will be going to lunch with his broker soon
Nope. I'm a long play guy. This doesn't bother me at all. I do feel sorry for all the poor saps who bailed this week though.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 29, 2020, 08:57:49 AM
I've got a profit sharing payment coming from 2019, hits my 401K account at the start of the 2nd quarter, around the first week of April.

Hopefully the markets are still way down so I can buy low
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 29, 2020, 09:00:09 AM
doesn't often happen that I'm playing golf near home on the 29th of Feb.

life is good
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: CatsbyAZ on February 29, 2020, 10:06:22 AM
For anyone who is ever wondering what Penn State's Larry Johnson is up to, he's very active on twitter, ranting like an Ancient Aliens episode in his endless promotion of conspiracy theories, especially those pertaining to Satanism, Illuminati, and other world control by the global elite. 90% of his tweets relate to Satanism governing Pop Culture.

Exhibit C:

https://twitter.com/2LarryJohnson7/status/1232141524550459393
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 29, 2020, 10:16:21 AM
geothermal wells that temper the water for the heating AC units

Cincy, probably too far to walk, but I'm watching diners drive-ins

looks good

https://www.joycafeatl.com/ (https://www.joycafeatl.com/)

1100 Peachtree St NE #110, Atlanta, GA 30309
Joy Cafe is three blocks away, easy walk.  HOWEVER, we went there once and were seated outside with menus and no one came to take our order.  Servers were clearing tables around us and I asked if one could take our order, and I was told that we should check in at the counter to be seated.

I waved the menu in her face and said "WE DID" and walked out.

Haven't been back, too many other options nearby.  And I didn't see anything on the menu that was fascinating.

I'd guess there are 100 restaurants in easy walking distance, many of them are excellent.

There is a seafood place next door that is expensive and not worth it IMHO.  There is a steak place across the street called STK we have not tried because I can do steak pretty easily.  We have a Persian place opening soon down the block.  That looks promising.  For some reason, we have really good Indian and Italian places nearby.

Another place of interest is Empire State South which we only tried for breakfast.  Too many options.
Nice and sunny and chilly today, I got the main floor up from 63°F to 68°F this morning with the sun.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on February 29, 2020, 11:02:07 AM
beautiful spring day here, headed to Columbus, NE for a round of golf

and a few Bud Heavies!

FORE!!!!
Quail run by chance?   I loved playing there in college.   My roommate was from there. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 01, 2020, 09:07:13 AM
72 and sunny yesterday, I enjoyed our nice Spring day.  Supposed to hit 80 today, so Hello Summer, I guess. :)

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 01, 2020, 09:44:36 AM
Joy Cafe is three blocks away, easy walk.  HOWEVER, we went there once and were seated outside with menus and no one came to take our order.  Servers were clearing tables around us and I asked if one could take our order, and I was told that we should check in at the counter to be seated.

I waved the menu in her face and said "WE DID" and walked out.

well, that sucks


supposedly amazing shrimp and grits, and some great biscuits and gravy
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 01, 2020, 09:51:16 AM
Quail run by chance?  I loved playing there in college.  My roommate was from there.
Yes, Quail Run on the Loup River.  Unfortunately, the flooding last spring shut down the 9 holes over the dike.
I've also played tournaments at the uppity course cut out of the arboretum across town, Elks Country Club.

I have a great friend in Columbus that works at a consulting engineering firm.  He's retiring in two weeks.
Passionate about golf and the Huskers.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 01, 2020, 11:03:11 AM
well, that sucks


supposedly amazing shrimp and grits, and some great biscuits and gravy
Shrimp and grits is a big things hereabouts at moderately upscale trendy places.  I don't order it any more.  It's not bad, but not worth $18 or so IMHO.

There is another place near us called The Flying Biscuit that is pretty good also but very crowded.  For brunch, we usually go to Cafe Intermezzo that has Salmon on Eggs Benedict with smoked salmon that is $12 and fantastic.  The Nook is decent also.  

I probably will give Joy another shot someday, maybe.  They do have a decent patio, though it's right on the street.  Some of the less busy streets have quieter patios.

We both really like dining out doors and nearly every place here has that option.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 01, 2020, 11:22:16 AM
I'm a guy that gives 2nd chances to eating establishments

anyone can have a bad shift or a bad day/night
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 01, 2020, 01:06:37 PM
Yeah, I would have gone back before now, but there are too many other options we're exploring, and it seems more open up every month.  When we go for walks, we often discover a new place that just opened around the 'hood.  There is a new place downtown called "By George" that sounds interesting and it's in an historic building, and a friend told us "A Mano" is the best Italian food he's had in ATL.  My step daughter is arriving this evening and we're going to the Barcelona Wine Bar with her, we went a couple months back and liked it, but we pretty much have to drive to it.  It's a chain, and I often eschew chains unless they are good.

Lure is another place we like along with South City Kitchen.  That bar Badger found down on Cypress we have yet to try.  We have three Indian places within walking distance that are quite good.  I'd like a Korean place nearby, there are some Korean hybrid places, but no pure K.

It's nice to walk to a place and have no worries about drinking.  
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 02, 2020, 07:28:23 AM
Ming found that bar, not me. But he did an excellent job of scoping. It was perfect.

We closed on our house in Florida on Friday. So, that's done. On to the kitchen and bathrooms.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on March 02, 2020, 10:08:40 AM
Ming found that bar, not me. But he did an excellent job of scoping. It was perfect.

We closed on our house in Florida on Friday. So, that's done. On to the kitchen and bathrooms.
As a person who left the snow, welcome to the south. You will notice your SEC speed after a few months. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 02, 2020, 10:12:39 AM
Heh. Hanging around the neighborhood for a few days left me with the impression that I've just simply bought a place in the Southern Midwest. Seems like everyone down there is from somewhere around here.

One of the next-door neighbors is a Badger..
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 02, 2020, 10:39:03 AM
Nearly everyone I know here is from somewhere else.  It was like that in 1970 as well.

The metro population is expected to grow about 100,000 per year, with a lot of spread, though folks are moving back into the city now.  We drove to the airport yesterday afternoon and the freeway was stop and go, no accidents, just Sunday traffic, on a 7 lane freeway.  I would have taken the subway but the wife wanted to drive, and it was our daughter coming in from Paris and they land at the international terminal which is not convenient for the subway.

"they" spent $1.5 billion on that terminal and it has 12 gates.  Twelve gates.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 02, 2020, 10:48:44 AM
ORD has 21, and will expand to 31 by next year. Then they will move the "global" terminal to a new one and push all the low budget carriers to the current international terminal, which feels like a jail at present.

I'm not sure where all this money is coming from. It ain't gonna be from me for much longer.

https://www.ord21.com/home/pages/default.aspx
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 02, 2020, 10:53:04 AM
One of the next-door neighbors is a Badger..
damn the luck
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 02, 2020, 11:00:36 AM
His house is for sale. I'm good with that because I already hate his barking hairy naked man. I'd rather have an OSU neighbor with no hairy naked man.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 02, 2020, 11:51:42 AM
Sorry to hear about the loss of your great friend, Gary

a good Badger
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 02, 2020, 12:17:19 PM
Word travels fast. He was young too.

He passed just before Noon yesterday, just as we were about to board our plane home from Florida.

I'm waiting to hear from his son on arrangements.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 02, 2020, 01:28:01 PM
The HVAC tech is here, well, he went to his truck for something.  Have been without heat on two floors for four days now, it has not gotten too bad.  I hope it is minor, duh, some part.  We have a heat pump that runs on water.  I guess these midrise buildings don't want to have any kind of outlet marring the exterior.

Be nice to have the heat on again, it's probably 60°F in my office.  Our bedroom has a separate unit which is working fine on the third floor.

P.S.  Heat back on, the tech said is was a "quick fix", the compressor is bad and he couldn't say how long it would last.  $500 for a quick fix.  It doesn't really sound great, I probably shoulda replaced it.

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 02, 2020, 09:42:37 PM
The step daughter is in from Paris and wanted BBQ, so despite the driving rain (I was driving) I took her to Fox Brothers, which I had somewhat panned on my first trip.  Well, OK, I change my opinion, it is quite good.  The brisket is excellent and the pulled pork is solid, the sides are very good.  A lot of places are flooded on the streets due to rain.  
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: GopherRock on March 03, 2020, 08:50:49 PM
Wow. It's been a rough winter for the Park Street tailgate gang. Gary was a damn good dude. 

Let us know when you hear of the arrangements. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 04, 2020, 06:56:15 AM
There is a visitation at 2PM on Saturday, until 4, and then a service. Of course, after that, there is a "party" at a bar in Racine.

Just as he would want.

We'll be at the visitation for sure. Can't stay for the party due to a "party" for another one back down here.



(We were THE Regent Street Crew. Not anymore. It's over. Gary and Joe started it and they were the glue.)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 04, 2020, 07:01:37 AM
https://meredithfuneralhome.com/obituaries/gary-c-hagen.130833
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on March 04, 2020, 08:02:11 AM
Man, just saw this.  I'm sorry Badge.  Gary was a fun guy.    
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 04, 2020, 08:25:33 AM
Condolences badge!
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 04, 2020, 09:07:58 AM
(We were THE Regent Street Crew. Not anymore. It's over. Gary and Joe started it and they were the glue.)
blessed to experience the Regent Street Crew a few times
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 04, 2020, 10:29:43 AM
Thanks guys. I'll pass this all along on Saturday.

Anyway, I made a post on the board to the South that many are afraid of (heh) and it goes like this:




2 questions for investors to ask:

1. Is the event driven by fear?

2. Is the event sustainable?


I point everyone here to what happened to the S&P when China invented SARS and MRSA.

(hint: ~ 13 percent losses)


This new Chinese virus invention? ~ 13 percent loss.

Take a look at what the S&P has done since China invented MRSA. Then go back and look what it's done since SARS.


There are 2 things that are consistent in this. The losses, and China. One will go away. The other one needs to go away, and hopefully take its crappy national healthcare system with it.



Thank me later.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 04, 2020, 10:46:52 AM
I'm a young guy, in for the long haul

unfortunately, my daughter's 529 account won't be around much longer, last semester, (I hope)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 04, 2020, 10:58:19 AM
Thanks guys. I'll pass this all along on Saturday.

Anyway, I made a post on the board to the South that many are afraid of (heh) and it goes like this

This new Chinese virus invention? ~ 13 percent loss. 

Just seeing this condolences on the loss of your friend Gary.Cindy mentioned/believes the virus was a malevolent creation is that what your sayin'?
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: iahawk15 on March 04, 2020, 11:02:41 AM
If we're making predictions, I'll guess the Dow hits ~24K before it hits a new high.

Secondary guess. If it falls to 22K, QE5 is announced and we're off to the races again.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: GopherRock on March 04, 2020, 10:04:16 PM
https://meredithfuneralhome.com/obituaries/gary-c-hagen.130833


:'(
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 04, 2020, 11:24:48 PM
Yeah, me too. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 05, 2020, 08:10:46 AM
I think I hate death in others a lot more than I fear my own.

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 05, 2020, 09:36:06 AM
agreed

I've had a good life.  Few regrets
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 05, 2020, 03:09:02 PM
A guy I knew from fantasy camp died last year, out of the blue.  He was 46, in apparent good health, he played baseball months before.  Nobody knew what he died of, and his wife wasn't saying.  We went to the memorial service and the place was mobbed, like 500 people there, not just baseball players.  A lot of folks spoke kindly of him, obviously, but they all had the same basic story, he was the kind of guy who made everyone around him happier.

I've tried to learn something from that, though I'm naturally taciturn.  But this year at camp I made an effort to welcome the "rooks" and have more fun.

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 05, 2020, 03:48:06 PM
Just curious how old were the rooks? :coffee2:
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 05, 2020, 04:01:52 PM
agreed

I've had a good life.  Few regrets
Not long enough yet. 30 more years. Get those bones out of the cold already.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 05, 2020, 04:27:07 PM
yup, the good is pretty much set, working on the long.

obviously can't take the "long" for granted

planning on a huge steak/prime rib dinner tonight with good friends and many good drinks

gotta keep taking nourishment
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 05, 2020, 04:35:24 PM
Just curious how old were the rooks? :coffee2:
The rookies were the same age as the rest of us for the most part, no old guys like me though.  They were 30-45 in the main.  Most claimed they would be back, but I know at that age many have "other priorities".

I now have the time and the means for such excursions, but not always the physical abilities obviously.  It gives me good motivation to get into and stay in shape.

The new piano is due to be delivered Monday.  I spent most of today going through my moving boxes looking for my old piano music.  It was in the last box I opened of course, but it was there.  The problem is that my hand strength is woefully bad now so I'll have to spend quite a bit of time on exercises rather than music.  I may be posting here less often anyway.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 05, 2020, 06:45:40 PM
I now have the time and the means for such excursions, but not always the physical abilities obviously.  It gives me good motivation to get into and stay in shape.

The new piano is due to be delivered Monday.  
Well if you're getting in shape by playing the piano better bang the keys like Jerry Lee Lewis
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 05, 2020, 06:52:14 PM
Not long enough yet. 30 more years. Get those bones out of the cold already.
The cold won't drive me out of the great white north but the taxes might.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 05, 2020, 07:19:33 PM
On the bright side, I avoided a quarantine...

My wife is in healthcare, and they had a patient come in a few days ago that they learned today was potentially positive for COVID-19 (symptoms + travel to affected countries)... Which would have meant they'd close the office for two weeks, she'd be quarantined, and therefore I'd be quarantined too...

Luckily we got the all-clear early this afternoon...
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on March 05, 2020, 07:20:29 PM
Condolences Badge
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 06, 2020, 07:02:52 AM
Well if you're getting in shape by playing the piano better bang the keys like Jerry Lee Lewis
Nah, that is just another time soak for me.  Today should be nice enough to do some running, I've been off that due to weather and vacation.  It will be interesting to see how my endurance has faded (it was not great anyway, I could jog a mile, slowly).  I'll be happy to run/walk 1.5 miles on the track today.

The wife has to go to the French consulate for something or other and then she says she's going shopping, do I want to come?

Um, no.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Riffraft on March 06, 2020, 09:53:23 AM
Nah, that is just another time soak for me.  Today should be nice enough to do some running, I've been off that due to weather and vacation.  It will be interesting to see how my endurance has faded (it was not great anyway, I could jog a mile, slowly).  I'll be happy to run/walk 1.5 miles on the track today.

The wife has to go to the French consulate for something or other and then she says she's going shopping, do I want to come?

Um, no.

Had an accident in my car, so it is in the shop. I decided since I work only 4 miles from my home that I would ride my bike to and from work. Two days of riding and I decided I am too old and out of shape for it, I went and rented a car last night. I keep telling myself that I am going to start exercising, but I don't think it is going to happen. I am an umpire on my football crew, so I don't have to do much running during a game so why get in shape :)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 06, 2020, 10:50:14 AM
a 1/4 mile on my elliptical is enough

hopefully get that up to a mile someday 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 06, 2020, 11:30:44 AM
I walked up to my broker to deposit a check and then walked back to the park.  I was hurting after half a mile.  I have a lot of work to do.

It's sunny and breezy today.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 07, 2020, 08:50:13 AM
golf course open today!!!
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 07, 2020, 08:52:53 AM
Well, the heat pump didn't last.  I was warned  I guess.  The tech said it might last a year or a day.  It's sunny so the place is not too cold.

Anyone know anything about water source heat pumps?

You know these evaporators on the top of taller buildings?  
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 07, 2020, 09:12:09 AM
I know the geothermal heat pumps in my office have been a maintenance problem

evaporative condensers are for cooling

that's about my extent of knowledge 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 07, 2020, 02:01:24 PM
Large buildings use water sourced heat pumps, and the evaporators on the roof are to cool the water (duh) in summer.  The paces inside have a water sourced heat pump.

Mine oddly enough is working again (I recycled it).  I'm getting some quotes.

Those large towers often associated with nuclear power plants are evaporative cooling towers so they don't dump hot water into rivers.

(https://i.imgur.com/NIm8id7.png)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MichiFan87 on March 07, 2020, 04:36:30 PM
I hadn't been as concerned as most people about it, but the Corona Virus has apparently affected two people in the town I grew up near, and my grandmother who now lives in an assisted living place near my parents is being quarantined there (no cases inside it but they're just not allowing any visitors and apparently aren't allowing anyone who lives there to leave).

For anyone else who has family / friends in assisted living situations / nursing homes / etc., I hope you have contingency plans figured out....
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 07, 2020, 04:42:09 PM
The unknown is a concern.  I should be fine I think even if I contract it, which at this point is statistically unlikely.  The delayed onset of symptoms is a concern.


In happier news, my heat pump is back pumping, and my new lens arrived today.  I played with it a bit, it's an 18-400 mm zoom, which sounds impossible to me.  The photos look fine to me, I'm sure someone would find lack of crispness in the edges at some focal lengths.

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 08, 2020, 09:12:20 AM
Welp.. my cruise line has come up with an option to cancel without penalty. We are supposed to leave in 2 weeks, from Lima to Miami. Now I'm thinking about it. Not sure what to do here.

There is no Mickey Mouse or water park on this line. Lots of older people - we help bring the average down.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 08, 2020, 09:50:56 AM
Yeah, I got the same notice from NCL.  However, your airline may not agree.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 08, 2020, 10:14:26 AM
American has always been good to me on this stuff, when I book through our credit union. At a minimum, I'll get the refund for the main flight cost ($1200+/-). 

I might lose the money I paid directly to AA for the premium seats, but that's a smaller hit ($300+/-).

Still thinking about it.

Part of the fun for us, being very social, is meeting new people on these cruises. Given what's going on, there may be nobody to meet.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 08, 2020, 10:49:11 AM
I'm leaving in a couple hours for a large convention in Minneapolis

not too worried about the virus, but not sure I'd feel the same way about a cruise ship

might be nice to have the ship to yourself, a smaller group than usual

I'd plan to be quarantined on the ship for 30 days after the cruise
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 08, 2020, 11:05:56 AM
That last part is the scary one. I can't afford that time, and I think I'd go nuts. 

There are only 650 passengers on these ships, so I'm thinking right now they are probably down to half that.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 08, 2020, 11:39:11 AM
I'd play it safe, but I'm conservative like that

they could run out of booze while in quarantine
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Riffraft on March 08, 2020, 12:52:01 PM
Welp.. my cruise line has come up with an option to cancel without penalty. We are supposed to leave in 2 weeks, from Lima to Miami. Now I'm thinking about it. Not sure what to do here.

There is no Mickey Mouse or water park on this line. Lots of older people - we help bring the average down.
Received the same thing yesterday for a cruise on 2 weeks can cancel up to 48 hours before with full credit. At this moment not going to cancel 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 08, 2020, 01:39:37 PM
I would be fine stuck on the ship actually if I have Internet and a gym.  I do a lot of reading anyway.  We'll stay with our September plans unless something dramatic changes for the worse.  We went on a long walk today after brunch, it's nice outside, and a lot of people were out and about.  I noticed the Connector was frozen up around noon, probably an accident.  That is I-75/85 through town, it's nearly always a mess.  I can remember when it was three lanes on each side and lacked any acceleration ramps.



(https://i.imgur.com/RdvPZ4S.png)(https://i.imgur.com/fiwtzuS.png)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 08, 2020, 01:41:04 PM
Received the same thing yesterday for a cruise on 2 weeks can cancel up to 48 hours before with full credit. At this moment not going to cancel
Where are you going?
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 08, 2020, 01:46:46 PM
We stopped in to see a brand new Hampton Inn, it has the lobby on the 20th floor and some very nice views from the outdoor dining area, there is a restaurant by the lobby with a firepit outside, it looked nice, checked the menu.  Rooms start at $175 right now, it just opened.  WE're going to try the bar/restaurant when the weather warms up a bit.  I took some photos with my news lens (18-400 mm, seems pretty nice).

(https://i.imgur.com/jf8C4Se.png)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 08, 2020, 02:56:23 PM
We stopped in to see a brand new Hampton Inn, it has the lobby on the 20th floor and some very nice views from the outdoor dining area, there is a restaurant by the lobby with a firepit outside, it looked nice, checked the menu.  Rooms start at $175 right now, it just opened.  WE're going to try the bar/restaurant when the weather warms up a bit.  I took some photos with my news lens (18-400 mm, seems pretty nice).

[img width=273.429 height=279]https://i.imgur.com/jf8C4Se.png[/img]
Interesting. One of the defining aspects of the Hampton "brand" relative to other Hilton properties is that it usually lacks a bar or on-site dining except for their free breakfast spread.
Is the restaurant officially part of the hotel (as far as you can tell)?
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 08, 2020, 03:01:39 PM
It was not separated from the lobby and seating appeared to be where they'd offer breakfast.  I looked over the menu, it looked decent.

Here are some views from the lobby/restaurant/deck area.  This is looking NE towards Buckhead in the distance (about 6 miles).

(https://i.imgur.com/22KvHg9.jpg)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 08, 2020, 03:04:32 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/bPkVn3q.jpg)

West Midtown, an area full of cranes and development.

(https://i.imgur.com/trf1rcQ.jpg)

Arts Center in foreground, Stone Mountains in distance.  This is shot from the outdoor seating area.

(https://i.imgur.com/aycTj1k.jpg)

Playing with my new lens, Buckhead again at 400 mm focal length.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 08, 2020, 03:05:29 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/FhJKGvs.jpg)

Magnolias are blooming and leaves are just starting to sprout.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 08, 2020, 03:58:16 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/8EyNqFd.jpg)

So far as I know, no athletic team is called "The Squirrels".  That would be squirrely I suppose.  Rats with tails?  They can make a mess.  This guy was interested in us on our walk probably thinking we had food.  I was having fun with the new lens.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: CWSooner on March 08, 2020, 05:11:13 PM
i like doing stuff like that... glad you liked. ..... by the way, that's Sapele, with purple heart wood- braced by white ash... somewhat symbolic.

i did these two as well- one for a family into horses, kinda obviously, and the other who restores planes and flies them all over the great white north (which is what i call it, but it isn't always 'white'- it's the UP of Michigan where I have property/cabin, and they take care of it for me because i'm rarely there.. this was a 'thanks')...

[img width=500 height=495.98]https://www.drewswoodcraft.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/osterlund.jpg[/img]

[img width=497.983 height=500]https://www.drewswoodcraft.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/gervae-1.jpg[/img]

the pony is inset an inch and three quarters deep into a bowl... the plane was a PITA, but... i got close enough i think... the inset is an inch and three quarters and the tip of the tail is flush with the overall piece... i did it from this pic which is his actual bird (a restored military training bird, and i think they flew them as late as Vietnam as spotter/observation birds too) :

[img width=500 height=332.983]https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/16836260_10154991181127270_6864772555542831233_o.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_ohc=LuWytVPSwDIAX8s-nIh&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=b230dbe731c8b961fb61bcf467f4d3ac&oe=5EC95C12[/img]
That's beautiful work, Drew.

The airplane appears to be a Piper J-3 Cub, which served--with slight modification--in the U.S. Army as first an O-59 then (starting in 1942) the L-4 "Grasshopper."  The Navy version was the NE.  Its service in the Army was the official beginning of U.S. Army Aviation (as opposed to the Aviation Section of the Signal Corps, the Air Corps, or the U.S. Army Air Forces, the ancestors of the USAF), which is now as you know its own branch.  Per the Font of All Wisdom and Knowledge, "The L-4 was used extensively in World War II for reconnaissance, transporting supplies, artillery spotting duties and medical evacuation of wounded soldiers."  I don't think it was used as a trainer.
It served again in much the same roles in Korea, although I don't think it was used there in a Medevac role, that having been taken over by Bell H-13s of MASH fame.
To the best of my knowledge, it did not serve in Vietnam, having been replaced by the Cessna 170-based L-19/O-1 "Bird Dog," which was in the Air Force and Marines in addition to the Army.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: CWSooner on March 08, 2020, 05:12:53 PM
Not that I have heard.  The French are generally not patriotic outwardly.

Good seafood here, I see seiche at the market, again.  Dorade is quite good, shrimp is not.

Not windy as yet, wife still asleep.
Are they patriotic inwardly?
I think of them as nationalistic, but not necessarily patriotic.  But I've never visited France and have met few native Frenchies.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: CWSooner on March 08, 2020, 05:28:05 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_O-1_Bird_Dog (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_O-1_Bird_Dog)

(https://i.imgur.com/ZgbXM3d.png)
that's the one!!!

i think the color of his is significant- perhaps it was the way the trainers were painted?  he posted pictures on facebook of some sort of rally in Wisconsin for these things, and there must have been a hundred of them- and i'm only slightly exaggerating.  I was giggling that any one of them could have flown away with anyone else's bird and hardly noticed!!!
Yep.  That's an L-19/O-1.  The designation changed in 1962 when the DoD standardized aircraft designations across all the services.  L was for "liaison"; O for "observation."

The Army generally uses orange to indicate aircraft used in a training role.  When I went through flight school, the primary trainer was the TH-55A, painted all-orange.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/JEo29M_ZRiUmNoLmt_vs4tkHBOkkwt1Vo3VRiJ3nxu7fK1IhIbhUd1FOgY3e-x2YoPuHxAbBBwnstPNRuFES6-3JvYO8TXzUgbLDXoDtrPUDqBIAo8l3CWon97MJRTSrfAfh8Q)
And the next thing we learned to fly was the UH-1H Huey, with the cargo/passenger doors painted orange.
[img width=500 height=333.977]https://cdn10.picryl.com/photo/1990/01/01/accompanied-by-an-instructor-an-undergraduate-helicopter-training-student-pilots-f35d7b-1600.jpg[/img]

BUT, just guessing, it could be that the L-19 was painted that way so that it would be visible to aircraft at higher altitudes.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: CWSooner on March 08, 2020, 06:39:51 PM
Hmmm.  The Huey isn't showing up.  Is there a limit on how many megapixels can be in one post?

Trying it again.

(https://cdn10.picryl.com/photo/1990/01/01/accompanied-by-an-instructor-an-undergraduate-helicopter-training-student-pilots-f35d7b-1600.jpg)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 08, 2020, 06:43:19 PM
It's there.  That Bird dog is a slightly modified older Cessna 172, the older ones had landing lights on the wings.  They are easy to fly, even I could do it.

The pilot would be very vulnerable to small arms fire from below.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: CWSooner on March 08, 2020, 07:14:15 PM
It's there.  That Bird dog is a slightly modified older Cessna 172, the older ones had landing lights on the wings.  They are easy to fly, even I could do it.

The pilot would be very vulnerable to small arms fire from below.
Well, the Cessna 172 had tricycle landing gear, whereas the 170 was a tail-dragger, as is the Bird Dog.
OTOH, the Bird Dog has the all-round-vision "canopy," as does the 172 and as the 170 didn't.  But I understand that the Bird Dog was developed from the 170, and Cessna used the all-round-vision concept on the later 152 (the only Cessna I have flown), 172, and 182, which replaced the 150, 170, and 180.
Long ago and far away, in my first aviation assignment (1-17 Cav at Fort Bragg), we got assigned a Cobra-pilot captain who had inter-service-transferred from the Marines.  He was a section leader in the attack helicopter platoon of our air cavalry troop, which was of the old design, commanded by a major, and as big as a current air cavalry squadron, which is commanded by a lieut. col.  He quickly earned a bad rep by being quite obstreperous and by failing to pay any deference to the senior warrant officers (who represent the experience in nearly all Army aviation units).  He treated them as if they were junior NCOs, wanting them to hop to attention whenever he entered the room and such.  So they both hated and laughed at him.  He came to realize that he was not going to make pilot-in-command nor inherit command of the platoon and--I presume--that he didn't like aviation in the Army any more than he had liked things in the Marine Corps.
He bought himself a Cessna 170 and learned how to fly it, but apparently not how to land it in a crosswind, as he ground-looped it and tore up one of its wings.  Last I heard of him he was trying to find a replacement wing and planning to get out of the Army and try his luck in the FBI.

I wonder if the Bird Dogs had any sort of seat armor.  If not, the pilots probably figured out some way of providing protection--maybe by sitting on a flak vest or something similar.  The seats in the OH-58s I flew had armor protection made of--I guess--Kevlar, which protected the back, the bottom, and, with a pivoting panel, the outboard-facing side of the seat.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 08, 2020, 07:32:03 PM
Yeah, I forgot about the 170.  Landing in a crosswind is a bit of a "learned behavior".  I was taught to crab initially on approach to get a read on the wind and then to come in with the upwind wing lowered and land on that outboard wheel.  It was fun once I could do it.  I took my check ride in a 152.  I could really handle that little guy and I guess it showed.  The lady checking me out had me land after an hour and let her out.  I figured I had really failed badly or passed, so I asked her "How did I do?" and she said "OK, I reckon.  Park this thing and come back to the FBO for the paperwork."  She had a local aviation fix point named after her.

https://aerosavvy.com/navigation-name-nonsense/ (https://aerosavvy.com/navigation-name-nonsense/)

http://vfrmap.com/?type=vfrc&lat=39.364&lon=-84.522&zoom=10&api_key=763xxE1MJHyhr48DlAP2qQ (http://vfrmap.com/?type=vfrc&lat=39.364&lon=-84.522&zoom=10&api_key=763xxE1MJHyhr48DlAP2qQ)

I had heard stories of 4 hour check rides where they had to refuel.

Somehow in the move my flight bag was lost, along with license and headsets and stuff.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: CWSooner on March 08, 2020, 09:01:14 PM
Which intersection was named for your check pilot?  I see JADRO, NERVE, and LOVEY with a quick scan.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 08, 2020, 10:11:54 PM
None of those, I don't even remember now.  
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 08, 2020, 10:17:11 PM
Blue Sky Flight Training has:
  a FAA certified Designated Flight Examiner on staff!
Contact: Margot Brooks, CFII, MEI, DE



Margot Brooks.  I think the nav was MARGO.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: CWSooner on March 08, 2020, 10:30:43 PM
Cool!

In the tactical part of Army Aviation, we almost never used those intersections for VFR flight.  Really, we didn't use VFR Sectional Maps very often--mostly 1:50,000 tactical maps.  When we did go "cross-country," we'd use VFR Sectionals, but we weren't often flying "Victor Airways" (e.g., V-97 on the sectional you posted).  We generally set up our own visual checkpoints and used pilotage/dead reckoning to fly from one to the next.

Our main occasion to use intersections was when we had our annual IFR checkrides, and then only if we took them in the Huey simulator.  If we flew them in the OH-58 we couldn't use intersections because--IIRC--they are established by intersecting radials from VOR stations, and OH-58s didn't have a VOR nav radio, only an Automatic Direction Finder (ADF), which would pick up Non-Directional Beacons (NDBs).

So the OH-58 wasn't rated for IFR flight, and you definitely didn't want to go inadvertent-IMC.  That prospect was a scary one, especially if you were flying single-pilot.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 08, 2020, 10:45:56 PM
Yeah, I didn't use them, but was aware when some other pilot would announce "Over MARGO" where they were.  At times I'd be doing touch and gos and a Cessna Citation would call in and I'd clear the area and let them have the airport.  WE had VOR and ADF, and this was before GPS was in wide use.  

I was showing my son how to work VOR when the engine sputtered and then quit on me.  Soy bean field.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: CWSooner on March 08, 2020, 11:09:51 PM
Good for soy beans!
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 09, 2020, 01:10:37 AM
I'd plan to be quarantined on the ship for 30 days after the cruise
Its called drying out
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 09, 2020, 08:23:33 AM
We don't get the beverage package on cruises.  It sounds like a deal, but it really really isn't.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 09, 2020, 08:43:59 AM
It is on our preferred cruise line. $15.99/day for unlimited (almost) everything is a very good deal.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 09, 2020, 09:04:18 AM
We don't get the beverage package on cruises.  It sounds like a deal, but it really really isn't.
It's generally a deal for me.  It's also possible I drink too much on cruises... :)

Right now the cruise lines are offering extra enticements for obvious reasons.  I saw a flyer for Norwegian where they're offering FREE open bar to all passengers on all destinations in all cabins.   
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 09, 2020, 09:05:10 AM
It's generally a deal for me.  It's also possible I drink too much on cruises... :)

Right now the cruise lines are offering extra enticements for obvious reasons.  I saw a flyer for Norwegian where they're offering FREE open bar to all passengers on all destinations in all cabins. 
Is that really possible?
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 09, 2020, 09:06:52 AM
Is that really possible?
Ha!
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 09, 2020, 11:17:22 AM
I don't have to board a large boat to drink too much
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 09, 2020, 12:03:48 PM
I guess we're weird to go on a cruise and not drink, given we are NOT teetotalers normally.  We also use the gym.

The piano was delivered this AM.  My left hand in particular is really weak, it was starting to cramp up, and I can't play much at all now.  Take some patience.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 09, 2020, 12:53:04 PM
sounds like great therapy for the left hand
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 09, 2020, 01:10:49 PM
sounds like great therapy for the left hand
This is why I am sure to switch my beer-holding hand regularly, don't want any atrophy just because I favored holding my beer with one hand over the other.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 09, 2020, 01:40:28 PM
Did lamb burgers and roasted butternut squash on Saturday.

I normally don't mix things into my usual burger blends (opting for seasoning on the surface and burger toppings to do the rest), but for this I minced up some kalamata olives and some red onion and put them into the patties. I then hit both sides with some John Henry's greek seasoning, and grilled them.

The wife made tzatziki and the butternut squash, and we served with a little more red onion, tomato, and spinach.

It wasn't the best picture, but the meal came out wonderfully.


(https://i.imgur.com/OHdJBiN.jpg)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 09, 2020, 01:44:31 PM
I think I've mentioned it on this site; my wife has a poultry allergy. Oddly the egg portion of it (which affected her as a child) is no longer an issue, but any grown bird protein will cause her major issues. Thankfully nothing life-threatening, but I don't want to hold her hair back for 5 hours, which is what it would come down to.

Now, normally that's not a problem. While chicken is in a LOT of things, and it cuts out many restaurant soup dishes made with chicken stock, I generally find that chicken is used as a protein in a lot of recipes because it's bland [particularly white meat] and because it's cheap. And vegetable stock is an excellent substitute for chicken stock in soup, risotto, etc.

So missing out on chicken really isn't missing much. Except, of course, for fried chicken. Fried chicken is its own little bit of heaven, and she has never had it.

So I made it for her! Everything about the method, the breading, the frying, etc was exactly as one would do for fried chicken, except the chicken. I used 1.5" thick medallions of pork tenderloin instead. Recipe was Serious Eats Southern Fried Chicken (https://www.seriouseats.com/recipes/2015/07/the-food-lab-southern-fried-chicken-recipe.html).

And it worked! What I ended up with was capturing the essence of what makes fried chicken wonderful, but without the use of any bird. It wasn't a perfect attempt (the pork itself bordered on overcooked), yet it was still freakin' delicious. Definitely going to be made again.

Pork tenderloin is more akin to the dark meat of the fried chicken, of course... But I prefer the dark meat pieces anyway.




(https://i.imgur.com/63LPfrP.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/g1afFX3.jpg)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 09, 2020, 01:47:47 PM
This is why I am sure to switch my beer-holding hand regularly, don't want any atrophy just because I favored holding my beer with one hand over the other.
Yeah, I try to work in the 16oz cans instead of the 12oz quite a bit too... Sometimes adding weight over reps will help build the muscle. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 09, 2020, 02:50:43 PM
https://atlanta.curbed.com/2020/3/9/21171655/midtown-atlanta-visitor-stats-development-hotels (https://atlanta.curbed.com/2020/3/9/21171655/midtown-atlanta-visitor-stats-development-hotels)

 Surge in Midtown visitors underscores subdistrict’s explosive growth
1 (https://atlanta.curbed.com/2020/3/9/21171655/midtown-atlanta-visitor-stats-development-hotels#comments)


An estimated seven million people ventured through the area in 2019—and half went to Piedmont Park

Don't y'all all come at once please.  You might lost a kidney.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 09, 2020, 03:59:37 PM
Did lamb burgers and roasted butternut squash on Saturday.

I normally don't mix things into my usual burger blends (opting for seasoning on the surface and burger toppings to do the rest), but for this I minced up some kalamata olives and some red onion and put them into the patties. I then hit both sides with some John Henry's greek seasoning, and grilled them.

The wife made tzatziki and the butternut squash, and we served with a little more red onion, tomato, and spinach.

It wasn't the best picture, but the meal came out wonderfully.



when I wear out my welcome in utee's neighborhood, I'm moving close to your backyard
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 09, 2020, 04:01:32 PM
was lucky enough to visit my favorite place in Minneapolis last night, the Butcher and the Boar

best beef rib in the country

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 09, 2020, 04:05:44 PM
If we're making predictions, I'll guess the Dow hits ~24K before it hits a new high.

Secondary guess. If it falls to 22K, QE5 is announced and we're off to the races again.
nailed it


didn't see the oil market being a major cause
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 09, 2020, 04:43:50 PM
Yeah, I try to work in the 16oz cans instead of the 12oz quite a bit too... Sometimes adding weight over reps will help build the muscle.
Excellent point.  You sound like a pro! :)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 09, 2020, 04:44:35 PM
was lucky enough to visit my favorite place in Minneapolis last night, the Butcher and the Boar

best beef rib in the country


You've clearly never had the beef rib at Franklin.

Or, my house.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 09, 2020, 04:59:21 PM
when I wear out my welcome in utee's neighborhood, I'm moving close to your backyard
With real estate prices out here, I might just end up renting you space in my backyard to pitch a tent!
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 09, 2020, 05:22:49 PM
I chuckle at the various "Best of" lists, like best BBQ in the country.  First, it's taste and personal, and second, there are a zillion places and no person can have tried them all.

You'd be busy trying to do one large city, and even then, it's your opinion.  Best steak, best seafood, best French, whatever, personal taste.

And then there is TripAdvisor et al. which actually has ratings on McDonald's in small towns, and I have seen one ranked like 8th among 28 restaurants, or Cracker Barrel is the top rated place in a smaller town.  I'm easily amused.

Did I mention how much I hate wine ratings?

Incidentally, Kirkland here has a Napa Oakville cab for $20 that is superb.  It's not their base Napa cab.  It needs a bit of time to open up.  No idea where they sourced it.

I'm getting a case.  Don't tell the wife.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 09, 2020, 07:39:02 PM
With real estate prices out here, I might just end up renting you space in my backyard to pitch a tent!
Tent?how about the doghouse,I mean when your not occupying it  :singing:
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 09, 2020, 07:42:42 PM
 It's also possible I drink too much on cruises... :)

Crazy Talk!!! Corona is the disease Tito's is the Cure
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 09, 2020, 07:44:48 PM
This is why I am sure to switch my beer-holding hand regularly, don't want any atrophy just because I favored holding my beer with one hand over the other.
You're always thinking,Butch
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 09, 2020, 07:47:18 PM
Yeah, I try to work in the 16oz cans instead of the 12oz quite a bit too... Sometimes adding weight over reps will help build the muscle.
That's true,now quit with pics - you're rubbing it in at this point.That Lamb Burger meal,dayum - i wouldn't leave the plate
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 10, 2020, 12:11:25 AM
I always love reading through a good Mr. N catch-up session! 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 10, 2020, 12:20:20 AM
So, my company just reported that we had an employee test positive for COVID-19.  He was here in Austin, but left to go home to India on 2/28.  He stopped off in NYC on 2/29 and flew through Dubai at some point, and then reported to work in India for a couple of days before feeling ill, going to the doc, getting tested for COVID19, and coming up positive.  While here in the Austin area, he worked and interacted with a handful of his team members, at the same campus where I office.

I work from home primarily and rarely go into the office, it's highly unlikely I would have come into contact with him, or anyone else he came into contact with.

But the real point here, is that my company has decided to move to work-from-home for ALL employees that can, thru 3/24.  Some teams, primarily hardware engineers, won't be able to do that.  The equipment they're designing/testing is all in labs that are on our campuses.  But the rest of us in operational or finance or support roles, can, and must, work from home.

And I'll say that I believe that 3/24 date is just a punt.  We have Spring Break for all Austin-area schools next week, and a huge number of employees would be out of office anyway.  In reality, I suspect this is a first step at a soft quarantine that will last until mid-April at least.  And this won't just be happening in Austin, and it won't just be happening at my company.  This is going to become widespread in the very near future.

I don't know if I missed discussion of COVID-19 in other threads on this Forum?  But I think it warrants some discussion and might even warrant its own thread.

Y'all stay safe out there.  It's crawfish season, so be sure to wash your hands many times a day, as if you've just peeled and eaten six dozen spicy Cajun crawfish, and now you must remove your contact lenses.  I'm no alarmist or prepper of doomsdayist advocate, but this stuff is serious and I'm not sure we, as a nation, are quite ready enough for it.


Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 10, 2020, 07:02:48 AM
My hope is COVID-19 will be nipped by warmer weather, though that is just a hope.  There is so much unknown about it right now.

The stock market futures are way up this morning, they are behaving "oddly" to me.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 10, 2020, 07:24:48 AM
My hope is COVID-19 will be nipped by warmer weather, though that is just a hope.  There is so much unknown about it right now.

The stock market futures are way up this morning, they are behaving "oddly" to me.
That's what happens when the markets are driven by fear.


Russia cannot sustain these prices, and the Arabs are in even worse shape if it continues beyond a very short term. This is all about Putin screwing with Trump. The mediots are in full buy-in on this garbage. Just dig beyond the front page.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 10, 2020, 07:31:47 AM
Fear and greed, greed seems dominant this morning.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 10, 2020, 07:47:47 AM
Fear hurts.

Greed kills.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: NorthernOhioBuckeye on March 10, 2020, 07:56:58 AM
As someone that primarily works from home, this Covid-19 thing is not much of a concern for me. And based upon what I am hearing about it, I don't believe that it is any worse than the flu and maybe not quite as bad. 

I'm more worried about the panic in the markets and the overreactions to the virus. And with Saudi Arabia flooding the markets with oil and driving prices down, that has had more of an impact on the market yesterday than the virus has. But between Saudi Arabia and Russia, one or both of them will blink sooner or later and restore sanity to the markets. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 10, 2020, 08:00:31 AM
Yeah I'm a little surprised that some of the smarter people I know are buying into the problems with the markets.


Even if COVID19 were to have a death rate of something like 6% across the general population and not just octogenarians (who are beyond the age of contributing to the workforce in any statistically meaningful way), there is still no reason to believe it will affect domestic output for any of the countries where it currently resides.

The flipside is, will it adversely affect consumption?  Right now, the evidence suggests the opposite-- employers are actually starting to consume MORE, especially in the tech, bank, and government  sectors, in efforts to equip their workforces with better capability to work-from-home.  Granted, that's in the near term, next 3-18 months or so, but there's still nothing to suggest major economic issues with either global production, or consumption, in the long term.

(edited after Northern Buckeye focused on oil-- I'm talking primarily about future global production above, not the oil price market drivers)

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 10, 2020, 08:12:39 AM
Uncertainty aboundeth, duh, and I'm not sure about that.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 10, 2020, 08:22:57 AM
Just a blip on the radar.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 10, 2020, 08:28:30 AM
Yeah I'm a little surprised that some of the smarter people I know are buying into the problems with the markets.


Even if COVID19 were to have a death rate of something like 6% across the general population and not just octogenarians (who are beyond the age of contributing to the workforce in any statistically meaningful way), there is still no reason to believe it will affect domestic output for any of the countries where it currently resides.

The flipside is, will it adversely affect consumption?  Right now, the evidence suggests the opposite-- employers are actually starting to consume MORE, especially in the tech, bank, and government  sectors, in efforts to equip their workforces with better capability to work-from-home.  Granted, that's in the near term, next 3-18 months or so, but there's still nothing to suggest major economic issues with either global production, or consumption, in the long term.

(edited after Northern Buckeye focused on oil-- I'm talking primarily about future global production above, not the oil price market drivers)


That's too high. The death rate will come WAY down as this thing spreads. I realize you posed a hypothetical, but I'm just doing a public service in case anyone missed the "even if" part of your post.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 10, 2020, 08:48:16 AM
The 1918-19 flu infected a third of the global population, estimated 500 million, and killed 50 million, ten percent, many of them in their 20s and 30s.

It was very unusual of course, fortunately.  Hard to imagine that today, though I imagine our recovery rates would be better.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: iahawk15 on March 10, 2020, 08:53:12 AM

The stock market futures are way up this morning, they are behaving "oddly" to me.
I disagree. A bounce after a 2000 pt down move was to be expected.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 10, 2020, 08:59:00 AM
I disagree. A bounce after a 2000 pt down move was to be expected.
Agree, but I could also see a major uptick to open followed by another selloff by those looking to make a quick recovery.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 10, 2020, 09:04:25 AM
I disagree. A bounce after a 2000 pt down move was to be expected.
I'm not thinking about the events of a single morning.  I'm talking about the recent price actions over the past month.  Dead cats have been bouncing with frequency.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: iahawk15 on March 10, 2020, 09:05:07 AM
Agree, but I could also see a major uptick to open followed by another selloff by those looking to make a quick recovery.
Not only could, I think it will. A bounce was inevitable, but I don't expect it to last.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: iahawk15 on March 10, 2020, 09:14:43 AM
I'm not thinking about the events of a single morning.  I'm talking about the recent price actions over the past month.  Dead cats have been bouncing with frequency.
I would say that's been somewhat predictable as well. The market rolling over was overdue, and a panic event was needed to act as the needle. Since then, it's been very predictable. Bounce, flush lower, bounce.

I said upthread the bottom wasn't in, and DJI was going to 24K. We hit that yesterday.

I expect a lot of whipsawing over the next few weeks, but I think Q1 earnings season is going to be painful. If so, I expect more downside.

There's a couple more levels of support on the way down but DJI at ~20,500 is a critical level.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 10, 2020, 09:20:14 AM
I don't think it will drop to that. Fundamentally it is in good shape. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 10, 2020, 09:22:08 AM
Well, if this market was something I could have predicted, I would have been buying and selling options like crazy and making a zillion bucks.

Some things of course are "predictable" in hindsight.  And I know I can't predict markets.

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: iahawk15 on March 10, 2020, 09:24:54 AM
Oops, I misspoke. 21,700 is the 2018 low pivot and the critical level, not 20,500. If we approach that, major government intervention is coming (if not before).
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: iahawk15 on March 10, 2020, 09:35:24 AM
Well, if this market was something I could have predicted, I would have been buying and selling options like crazy and making a zillion bucks.

Some things of course are "predictable" in hindsight.  And I know I can't predict markets.


That's fine. I've been lightly following the stock market thread in the other forum, but chose not to get involved. MCWTerps speaks a lot of truth there.

What it comes down to is two philosophies. Passive investors and active traders. Neither one is the "right" way to do it. There's money to be made for people who have the time, ability, and desire to learn how the markets move. For others, the long game works best.

I certainly haven't been making a zillion bucks, but I am making money. Winning traders work in probabilities, not absolutes. My strategy is aim small, miss small.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 10, 2020, 09:54:42 AM
I have known some "active traders" who would brag about the killing they were making and then a year or so later went silent on the topic and didn't want to talk about it.

We had a guy at work who was flipping houses and making a bundle, he said, circa 1999.

I figure if that many folks could time markets, no one could do it.  The high level money managers who do it for a living don't seem to be very good at it.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: iahawk15 on March 10, 2020, 10:01:37 AM
I have known some "active traders" who would brag about the killing they were making and then a year or so later went silent on the topic and didn't want to talk about it.
Sounds like greedy people who didn't know how to manage their money.

I've known some good-to-damn-good poker players over the years. The ones that still play never walked into a game w/100% of their bankroll.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 10, 2020, 10:06:12 AM
Why do mutual funds in general underperform the broader markets (or related sector ETFs)?

Obviously, not every trading day with a large drop is necessarily followed with a large pop the next morning.

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: iahawk15 on March 10, 2020, 10:10:48 AM

Why do mutual funds in general underperform the broader markets (or related sector ETFs)?

Obviously, not every trading day with a large drop is necessarily followed with a large pop the next morning.


I don't study mutual funds because I don't invest in them.

Passive investors and "good" active traders (seems like I have to continually qualify that) are using the same basic strategy; they trade with the trend. The only difference is the time frame.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 10, 2020, 10:18:02 AM
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/more-evidence-that-passive-fund-management-beats-active-2019-09-12 (https://www.marketwatch.com/story/more-evidence-that-passive-fund-management-beats-active-2019-09-12)

It's generally known that active funds overall underperform passive funds over a decade time frame.  Thus, professional money managers broadly don't beat the market.

Maybe this just means a lot of MF managers are not very good and a few are.

The Morningstar Active/Passive Barometer is a semiannual report that measures the performance of U.S. active funds against passive peers in their respective Morningstar categories. The report showed that active funds outperformed passive funds in several categories during 2017, but the June report (https://www.morningstar.com/content/dam/marketing/shared/pdfs/Research/Active_Passive_Barometer_2018_08.pdf?cid=EMQ_) said this trend changed: "Just 36% of active managers categorized in one of the nine segments of the U.S. Morningstar Style Box both survived and outperformed their average passive peer over the 12 months through June 2018. In 2017, 43% of active managers achieved this feat."
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 10, 2020, 10:33:06 AM
That's fine. I've been lightly following the stock market thread in the other forum, but chose not to get involved. MCWTerps speaks a lot of truth there.

What it comes down to is two philosophies. Passive investors and active traders. Neither one is the "right" way to do it. There's money to be made for people who have the time, ability, and desire to learn how the markets move. For others, the long game works best.

I certainly haven't been making a zillion bucks, but I am making money. Winning traders work in probabilities, not absolutes. My strategy is aim small, miss small.
It depends what you believe in. I don't believe in anything that doesn't involve the long play. My work and play schedules are too busy to even think about anything else. If I come across an opportunity, I'll make a call to my guy.

(I admittedly did this morning on a couple of stocks I trust, in healthcare. I value the companies so I think I got a good deal, regardless of what happens over the next month or two. I'm holding.)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 10, 2020, 10:40:40 AM
So, my company just reported that we had an employee test positive for COVID-19.  He was here in Austin, but left to go home to India on 2/28.  He stopped off in NYC on 2/29 and flew through Dubai at some point, and then reported to work in India for a couple of days before feeling ill, going to the doc, getting tested for COVID19, and coming up positive.  While here in the Austin area, he worked and interacted with a handful of his team members, at the same campus where I office.

I work from home primarily and rarely go into the office, it's highly unlikely I would have come into contact with him, or anyone else he came into contact with.

But the real point here, is that my company has decided to move to work-from-home for ALL employees that can, thru 3/24.  Some teams, primarily hardware engineers, won't be able to do that.  The equipment they're designing/testing is all in labs that are on our campuses.  But the rest of us in operational or finance or support roles, can, and must, work from home.
We're seeing a lot of the same, although I believe at this time we haven't had any employee [even worldwide] test positive. We instituted travel bans for international, restricted company meetings over a certain size, and moved certain meetings which would normally require people to fly in to one site to be remote. I might have a meeting coming up the first week of April in Colorado, and it remains to be seen whether that will be changed to be remote instead--I know my wife doesn't want me to go. 

Like you, I work from home primarily now (went from about 30-40% work from home to 90% once we got the puppy). For my role that's normal; it's a field role and most of my peers work from home as they don't live near an office. I just happen to be near a major office so I have a desk there. But just this past week they've been making sure that people in other roles have been validating all of their work-from-home capability (connectivity, VPN, etc) in case they get the order to start. 

Personally I think some of the panic is a bit overblown. But that said, we're currently at 730 cases tested positive in the US and 26 deaths. That's 3.6%, and given that probably 500+ of those positive tests have occurred in the last 96 hours, I would expect the death rate just amongst those 730 patients to climb as some of those 730 won't recover. Granted, I'm sure there are some unreported cases where [younger, healthier] people are either having mild symptoms and not getting checked out, or might even be entirely asymptomatic. As @847badgerfan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=5) says, that 3.6% rate is only based upon known positive tested patients, and clearly doesn't include everyone at this point. But it's still higher than we'd like to see. 

And of course, people stockpiling their bunkers are buying Costco, Target, Walmart etc out of toilet paper, water, cleaning supplies, etc. It's madness.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 10, 2020, 10:40:44 AM
I bought some XLE this morning, same kind of thinking.  I appreciate that energy can go lower from here of course, but I'd guess it'll be OK in five years.

I saw Ohio State has cancelled classes for this entire month.  It's impossible for me to know whether this is an over reaction or being prudent and sensible.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: iahawk15 on March 10, 2020, 10:42:09 AM
It depends what you believe in. I don't believe in anything that doesn't involve the long play. My work and play schedules are too busy to even think about anything else. If I come across an opportunity, I'll make a call to my guy.

(I admittedly did this morning on a couple of stocks I trust, in healthcare. I value the companies so I think I got a good deal, regardless of what happens over the next month or two. I'm holding.)
I think you completely agreed with my second paragraph. When I get annoyed, is one style of investor acts like the other style is wrong. It appears active investors are speaking out of arrogance toward passive investors, and passive investors are speaking out of ignorance to what active trading is.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 10, 2020, 10:42:51 AM
Incidentally, we went to Costco three times in the past 5 days here and they have ample supplies, here, of everything.  I had ordered some photo books and also eyeglasses so we were in and out several times.  It was crowded, but it pretty much always is.  I don't think Atlanta is experiencing outages (yet).  Kroger also had plenty of whatever.

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 10, 2020, 10:44:59 AM
https://www.npr.org/2020/03/09/813750481/more-than-20-colleges-cancel-in-person-classes-in-response-to-coronavirus (https://www.npr.org/2020/03/09/813750481/more-than-20-colleges-cancel-in-person-classes-in-response-to-coronavirus)

More than 40 U.S. colleges have canceled in-person classes because of the coronavirus as of Tuesday morning. The colleges enroll a total of more than 600,000 students and include Columbia University, Princeton University, Rice University, Stanford University, Hofstra University and the University of Southern California, plus the University of Washington and a clutch of community colleges in Washington state.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 10, 2020, 10:45:26 AM
Why do mutual funds in general underperform the broader markets (or related sector ETFs)?

Obviously, not every trading day with a large drop is necessarily followed with a large pop the next morning.
My understanding is that a lot of this is fees. A typical index fund carries an expense ratio of ~0.2%. A typical mutual fund is closer to 2%. So in order to be net positive for the investor, the mutual fund not only has to outperform the index fund, it has to significantly outperform the index fund.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 10, 2020, 11:01:41 AM
I think you completely agreed with my second paragraph. When I get annoyed, is one style of investor acts like the other style is wrong. It appears active investors are speaking out of arrogance toward passive investors, and passive investors are speaking out of ignorance to what active trading is.
Yep, no doubt. What has worked for me is not for everyone. I don't pretend that to be the case. But, investors like me (or seemed like me) are also panicking this week and hurting the markets.

One thing I do know for sure is that no matter your style, the markets are not for the timid.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 10, 2020, 11:22:52 AM
I think investing can be for the timid, if it's investing and not trading.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 10, 2020, 11:34:41 AM
DJIA just went red.  This could be another dead cat.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 10, 2020, 11:39:27 AM
I disagree. A bounce after a 2000 pt down move was to be expected.
The bounce was rather short lived, but of course it could come back.  DJIA down 150.

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: iahawk15 on March 10, 2020, 11:45:17 AM
The bounce was rather short lived, but of course it could come back.  DJIA down 150.


Yep, I said we're going lower in the near-term.

Intraday? I went long 5 mins ago, but will dump if SPY breaks below 273.30.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 10, 2020, 11:46:05 AM
DJIA just went red.  This could be another dead cat.
Very predictable. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 10, 2020, 12:03:45 PM
Now the DJIA is up[ 250.  If traders can predict this movement, I'm impressed indeed.  I can't.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: iahawk15 on March 10, 2020, 12:04:00 PM
Yep, I said we're going lower in the near-term.

Intraday? I went long 5 mins ago, but will dump if SPY breaks below 273.30.
And closed it out for a small profit when SPY touched the 20 dma (5 min chart). Sitting in 96% cash right now.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 10, 2020, 12:12:46 PM
Unload your cash and buy BAX. Check back on it in 10 years.

Thank you.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 10, 2020, 12:13:02 PM
Whoever writes these headlines for the various web sites is busy today, up down up down up down.... +323.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: iahawk15 on March 10, 2020, 12:18:07 PM
Unload your cash and buy BAX. Check back on it in 10 years.

Thank you.
I'm good for now, continuing to make small bets off support / resistance levels while this market chops around. When volatility flattens out, or QE5 is announced, I'll get very long and only continue to actively trade ~10% of my portfolio.

Anyway, further discussion seems fruitless, so I'm checking out.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 10, 2020, 12:31:36 PM
Probably wise. I'm checked out too. I won't be looking at anything for the rest of today. Need to get some work done.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Riffraft on March 10, 2020, 02:04:37 PM
We're seeing a lot of the same, although I believe at this time we haven't had any employee [even worldwide] test positive. We instituted travel bans for international, restricted company meetings over a certain size, and moved certain meetings which would normally require people to fly in to one site to be remote. I might have a meeting coming up the first week of April in Colorado, and it remains to be seen whether that will be changed to be remote instead--I know my wife doesn't want me to go.

Like you, I work from home primarily now (went from about 30-40% work from home to 90% once we got the puppy). For my role that's normal; it's a field role and most of my peers work from home as they don't live near an office. I just happen to be near a major office so I have a desk there. But just this past week they've been making sure that people in other roles have been validating all of their work-from-home capability (connectivity, VPN, etc) in case they get the order to start.

Personally I think some of the panic is a bit overblown. But that said, we're currently at 730 cases tested positive in the US and 26 deaths. That's 3.6%, and given that probably 500+ of those positive tests have occurred in the last 96 hours, I would expect the death rate just amongst those 730 patients to climb as some of those 730 won't recover. Granted, I'm sure there are some unreported cases where [younger, healthier] people are either having mild symptoms and not getting checked out, or might even be entirely asymptomatic. As @847badgerfan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=5) says, that 3.6% rate is only based upon known positive tested patients, and clearly doesn't include everyone at this point. But it's still higher than we'd like to see.

And of course, people stockpiling their bunkers are buying Costco, Target, Walmart etc out of toilet paper, water, cleaning supplies, etc. It's madness.
The deaths are almost exclusively over 80yo and in bad health

This is a chart that was put out by WHO 

(https://www.fisherinvestments.com/-/media/Fisher/MarketMinder/0/3/03062020-commentary-exhibit-1.ashx?la=en-US&hash=FD89A06C04B9F359E785660AAF426C13D0664379)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 10, 2020, 02:11:11 PM
I won't claim those figures are "wrong" exactly, but I don't trust them much either because of reporting errors.  Some folks may not have been tested for COVIC-19 and still be added to some list.  Reporting from places like Iran strike me as not very reliable.  I think it clear that older folks are hit harder, just as they are with flu.  And apparently some folks have contracted the illness and had no symptoms, though how anyone would know that without broad scale testing I have no idea.  If I get slightly ill I'm not going to get tested for it.

The specific percentages however strike me as very possibly wrong.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 10, 2020, 02:46:24 PM
I won't claim those figures are "wrong" exactly, but I don't trust them much either because of reporting errors.  Some folks may not have been tested for COVIC-19 and still be added to some list.  Reporting from places like Iran strike me as not very reliable.  I think it clear that older folks are hit harder, just as they are with flu.  And apparently some folks have contracted the illness and had no symptoms, though how anyone would know that without broad scale testing I have no idea.  If I get slightly ill I'm not going to get tested for it.

The specific percentages however strike me as very possibly wrong.
Yeah, I think this is one of those cases where I don't trust the percentages exactly, but that I think the broad picture they paint is accurate. I.e. that it is FAR disproportionately fatal as you increase in age. That is one way that it differs from the flu--the flu tends to hit the very young as well as the very old. COVID-19 appears to spare the very young as far as we can tell so far.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 10, 2020, 03:20:59 PM
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/early-mortality-rates-covid-19-misleading-experts/story?id=69477312 (https://abcnews.go.com/Health/early-mortality-rates-covid-19-misleading-experts/story?id=69477312)

I think broad trends are probably about right, as you note, but I don't trust any specific statistics at this point.  If indeed 80% of cases involve mild symptoms, people would be sick and have no clue they were infected, and not get tested of course, nor added to any database.  They could be infectious carriers.

The elderly nearly always suffer more from respiratory ailments for obvious reasons.  Whether this one is more biased against them is TBD, I suspect.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Riffraft on March 10, 2020, 03:30:51 PM
I won't claim those figures are "wrong" exactly, but I don't trust them much either because of reporting errors.  Some folks may not have been tested for COVIC-19 and still be added to some list.  Reporting from places like Iran strike me as not very reliable.  I think it clear that older folks are hit harder, just as they are with flu.  And apparently some folks have contracted the illness and had no symptoms, though how anyone would know that without broad scale testing I have no idea.  If I get slightly ill I'm not going to get tested for it.

The specific percentages however strike me as very possibly wrong.
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/early-mortality-rates-covid-19-misleading-experts/story?id=69477312 (https://abcnews.go.com/Health/early-mortality-rates-covid-19-misleading-experts/story?id=69477312)

I think broad trends are probably about right, as you note, but I don't trust any specific statistics at this point.  If indeed 80% of cases involve mild symptoms, people would be sick and have no clue they were infected, and not get tested of course, nor added to any database.  They could be infectious carriers.

The elderly nearly always suffer more from respiratory ailments for obvious reasons.  Whether this one is more biased against them is TBD, I suspect.
Ok, you dismiss the WHO stats that they published, but do you accept their the sky is falling proclamations without any statistics?
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 10, 2020, 03:32:21 PM
Which "sky is falling proclamations" did I accept here?

I'm lost.  I merely note that early in as we are, hard statistics are going to be hard to generate reliably.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Riffraft on March 10, 2020, 03:39:58 PM
Which "sky is falling proclamations" did I accept here?

I'm lost.  I merely note that early in as we are, hard statistics are going to be hard to generate reliably.

That was just a question. I know we are both a little long in the tooth and have seen a large number of these scares over the years. 

I personally tend to dismiss out of hand most of what I call sensational reporting concerning these types of things. The earliest one I remember is the 1976 Swine Flu scare. None of them have amounted to much of anything through the years (at least when compared to how it was reported).  

So when you dismissed my use of the WHO stats to demonstrate the there really isn't any "great" danger unless you are old (80+) and particularly if you are already infirm, I was curious if you were buying into what I would call hysteria. 

Just for the record I am not discounting that people have died. That is a tragedy, but none of what I have seen has brought me to where need to close campuses, cancel sporting events. etc. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 10, 2020, 03:45:33 PM
Um, you completely misread my meaning here.

And I did not embrace any sky is falling references nor did I imply that they elderly are not more in danger.  My POINT is that I don't trust statistics at this point.  The broad trends suggested could well be accurate, but not the precise figures offered.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 10, 2020, 03:46:55 PM
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/early-mortality-rates-covid-19-misleading-experts/story?id=69477312 (https://abcnews.go.com/Health/early-mortality-rates-covid-19-misleading-experts/story?id=69477312)

I think broad trends are probably about right, as you note,
but I don't trust any specific statistics at this point.  If indeed 80% of cases involve mild symptoms, people would be sick and have no clue they were infected, and not get tested of course, nor added to any database.  They could be infectious carriers.

The elderly nearly always suffer more from respiratory ailments for obvious reasons.  Whether this one is more biased against them is TBD, I suspect.
This was my second post on the topic, with emphasis added.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 10, 2020, 03:48:47 PM
The deaths are almost exclusively over 80yo and in bad health

This is a chart that was put out by WHO

(https://www.fisherinvestments.com/-/media/Fisher/MarketMinder/0/3/03062020-commentary-exhibit-1.ashx?la=en-US&hash=FD89A06C04B9F359E785660AAF426C13D0664379)

And note that this chart shows percentages with significant figures down to the hundredths of a percent (though they all are magically zeros in that place).  That point about the significant figures is just one indication this isn't a reliable set of figures.

So, I don't believe these statistics, though the broad trend is probably about right.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 10, 2020, 03:49:47 PM
I also don't believe a lick of what is coming out of China so, given that our current global data file is made up mostly of Chinese information, it's hard to believe we really know much of anything.  Data from South Korea, and Europe, is far more reliable.  That is certainly my opinion, others may differ.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 10, 2020, 04:06:40 PM
So, the DJIA oscillated rather dramatically today, which I take as evidence for its being "unsettled" and not entirely rational (if ever it is).

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 10, 2020, 04:08:56 PM
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1043366/novel-coronavirus-2019ncov-cases-worldwide-by-country/ (https://www.statista.com/statistics/1043366/novel-coronavirus-2019ncov-cases-worldwide-by-country/)

So, according to reporting, 81,000 out of 110,000 cases confirmed are in China.  
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 10, 2020, 05:53:55 PM
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1043366/novel-coronavirus-2019ncov-cases-worldwide-by-country/ (https://www.statista.com/statistics/1043366/novel-coronavirus-2019ncov-cases-worldwide-by-country/)

So, according to reporting, 81,000 out of 110,000 cases confirmed are in China. 
Yup, that's what the current reporting says.

Here's another dashboard view with a heat map view by geo, put together by Johns Hopkins U:

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

 (https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 10, 2020, 06:09:12 PM
https://www.cbs46.com/news/georgia-daycare-worker-tests-positive-for-covid/article_21e67b0e-6266-11ea-816b-e321f920c1c8.html (https://www.cbs46.com/news/georgia-daycare-worker-tests-positive-for-covid/article_21e67b0e-6266-11ea-816b-e321f920c1c8.html)

I think it's "out" now and spreading fast.  Community spread.  I'd guess some of us here may get it.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 10, 2020, 06:22:17 PM
I think it's been "out" for a while and we're just starting to get awareness to the point that people are realizing it's not a common cold, or the flu, or some other ailment with similar symptoms.  We just don't really see the large hospitalizations and deaths yet, unless/until it hits a pocket of elderly/compromised individuals as it has in the Seattle area.

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 10, 2020, 06:51:55 PM
So when you dismissed my use of the WHO stats to demonstrate the there really isn't any "great" danger unless you are old (80+) and particularly if you are already infirm, I was curious if you were buying into what I would call hysteria.
I was the other person who questioned the statistics, so I'll also chime in. 

I was not in any way *dismissing* the WHO stats. I think we've seen in practice, here in the US, that the basic lesson of that chart is true -- the elderly are at MUCH higher risk of mortality from COVID-19 than the bulk of the population. 

What I'm saying is that I don't necessarily have any faith that the specific percentages themselves are accurate. For example, with the flu we know enough about it to estimate the total number of cases based on those cases serious enough to be reported, require hospitalization, or be fatal. We don't know NEAR enough about COVID-19 yet to make those estimations. 

Thus, my thought is that COVID-19 is probably lower mortality than the reported statistics (due to unreported cases), and that there isn't really any "great" danger unless you are older or have preexisting respiratory or other health issues. No argument on that matter.

As such, I was talking to my boss today and his daughter and her boyfriend are slated to leave for a vacation to Greece tomorrow. She's freaking out, but they stand to lose a significant amount of money if they don't go. They're 29 and 30 years old, and right now Greece has only 89 reported cases. If I was in that position, I'd be getting on that airplane. Yes, it's a risk. But it's not a risk that justifies hysteria given the low incidence and their young age. 

At the same time, my parents had been talking about flying here from Denver later this year when my son has a performance for his school. They're both in their late 70's. My dad is overweight and my mom has heart issues. Neither of them should even be considering the trip at this point. 

I think the hysteria is overblown, but even when I say that, I do think this is a serious issue. I think the way people are reacting is irrational, but that doesn't mean that there's no risk.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 10, 2020, 07:20:16 PM
The "common" flu is far worse. I wonder what the crisis of the month will be in June.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 10, 2020, 08:51:46 PM
June bugs.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 10, 2020, 09:24:50 PM
The "common" flu is far worse. I wonder what the crisis of the month will be in June.
Read that 34,000 died from it last year.The media loves sensationalism as Bwarb said the hysteria is overblown.IMO he's right......hopefully
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on March 10, 2020, 09:33:52 PM
Read that 34,000 died from it last year.The media loves sensationalism as Bwarb said the hysteria is overblown.IMO he's right......hopefully
I'm sure to a degree the hysteria is overblown, but I'm also interested in why some places have gone so hard after it (quarantining and such). Cable TV can't be freaking out China and Italy all at once.

Anyway, I'm not the most opposed to better safe than sorry. And if it is mostly a media sensationalism thing, someone educated has to actually say something (perhaps they are, I dunno).

I guess I come down on the idea that things are not as bad as they sound because they never are. But by the same token, I sometimes worry about that kind of wide-base skepticism because sometimes being wired to imagine we're not the suckers gets folks in trouble. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 10, 2020, 09:40:06 PM
I'm sure to a degree the hysteria is overblown, but I'm also interested in why some places have gone so hard after it (quarantining and such). Cable TV can't be freaking out China and Italy all at once.
That's a great point just curious how they immediately know it's certainly Corona,when possibly it could be the common - or not
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 10, 2020, 09:46:50 PM
The bounce was rather short lived, but of course it could come back.  DJIA down 150.
Why is it i don't get the small numbers & symbols in the Business Sections but I clearly understand them in the Daily Racing Form :017:
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on March 10, 2020, 09:55:29 PM
On a happier note, sort of,  I was driving through my neighborhood today and noticed a flag I dont recall being flown in my neighborhood before.  It was a half and half flag.  One half Gators, the other half the big ole M.

I was so tempted to bang on the door and ask for Gatorama.
😥
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 11, 2020, 05:34:35 AM
COVID is "different" and less well understood, hence the caution.  The same happened with H1N1 in 2018 (I think) and MERS and SARS.  Is it being overplayed?  That certainly is possible, maybe in two years "we" largely forgot this ever happened and are on to something else new and different.  It IS having a rather dramatic economic impact from what I can discern.  I don't recall this being so severe in previous outbreaks.

The wife and I are not doing anything different at all (yet).  We are scheduled to fly to Turkey April 6, we'll see how that goes.  I prepaid for the hotel for 8 days.  Our friend who is meeting us there has cut his European trip short, he's coming back here Monday (he hopes).  He was to be in Europe for two months.  He's in Egypt at the moment.

Obviously travel companies have been demolished, even ones like Crackerbarrel, which one would thing is a relatively safe boring stock (I did).

Stock market futures are down this morning early fairly hard.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 11, 2020, 07:59:24 AM
I'd be hesitant to take any trip beyond our nation's borders right now.  Not because of fear of infection, although that's a concern as well, but mostly because I'd have little confidence in being able to return at my leisure and according to my plans.  

For example, the VP of my division got stuck in Italy for about 4 days beyond his intended travel, almost 2 weeks ago.  Things have only gotten worse there since then, he likely wouldn't make it out at all, if he tried now.  And they're headed that way in many other European, Middle Eastern, and Asian countries.  Turkey specifically,  "just" announced its first case, and given the extent of reported cases in almost every nation around them, many in the global community suspect them of lying, and that things have already progressed much further there, than they are letting on.

I'd caution you to take GREAT care CD, I'd hate to get stuck in a foreign country as routes home were getting cut off.  Just my opinion, obviously we all need to make our own decisions on this.  

Of course, by April 6th, things might have played out one way or the other, in both Turkey and in the USA, so the decision could very well be easier then, than it would be now.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 11, 2020, 08:17:21 AM
Yeah, I got a great deal on probably the top hotel in Istanbul for 8 nights so I prepaid, but I might get that back.  Airline is already paid as well.

Our other Turkish friend here who manages a restaurant we like spend about 5 minutes giving us "warnings" about how to handle being in Istanbul, including "Don't eat any rice or potatoes", aside from the usual about taking care of one's money and credit cards.  He said not to use the later unless in a large chain type place.  He's been here 29 years and doesn't go back very often but his sister does.

If our friend cancels, we probably will as well.  He comes back Monday as his trip was significantly disrupted.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 11, 2020, 08:17:50 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/fZIBUsc.png)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 11, 2020, 09:04:20 AM
Overall I suspect China's numbers to be underreported by a factor of 10 or so.  My suppliers' factories in regions nowhere near the primary outbreak areas, have been completely shut down now for almost 2 months.  That never, ever happens.  Even during CNY and Golden Week, they always have at least a skeleton crew.  But right now?  Nothing.  And they still don't know when they're coming back online.

The COVID19 case numbers they are reporting to the WHO would suggest they're containing it. 

The reality suggests something else.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 11, 2020, 09:09:09 AM
I don't like China. I'd never go there. 

One of my SIL is Chinese (1st born American from immigrants) and she took her 4 kids last year. They spent the whole trip with masks on - to breathe safely.

She said she'd never go back, for any reason. I'll heed that.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 11, 2020, 09:15:02 AM
Yeah, being able to see the air you breathe or stare directly at the sun at midday is not a good thing.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 11, 2020, 09:16:12 AM
My brother went to China twice on business in'15 & '16 said the same thing,Soot,smog,fog,masks.You'd think as their economy picked up they might figure it out
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 11, 2020, 09:28:19 AM
Did China sign the Paris thing?

I'm sure they keep tabs on their own emissions. I'm also sure they lie about it.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MaximumSam on March 11, 2020, 09:39:58 AM
Overall I suspect China's numbers to be underreported by a factor of 10 or so.  My suppliers' factories in regions nowhere near the primary outbreak areas, have been completely shut down now for almost 2 months.  That never, ever happens.  Even during CNY and Golden Week, they always have at least a skeleton crew.  But right now?  Nothing.  And they still don't know when they're coming back online.

The COVID19 case numbers they are reporting to the WHO would suggest they're containing it. 

The reality suggests something else.
China is taking some drastic steps to reduce transmission.  For example, people are told not to leave their house, and trips for shopping are limited, and schools are all online.  They've even limited elevators to four people at a time.  So I don't think the lack of factory output is necessarily suggesting they are lying.  
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: ELA on March 11, 2020, 09:40:59 AM
Did China sign the Paris thing?

I'm sure they keep tabs on their own emissions. I'm also sure they lie about it.
Yes, I believe they and the US signed it on the same day.

And yes, I'm sure they are
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 11, 2020, 09:50:10 AM
Did China sign the Paris thing?

I'm sure they keep tabs on their own emissions. I'm also sure they lie about it.
They did, but they have no real obligations until 2030.  And even then, if they miss, it doesn't matter, to them.  China has a huge air pollution problem in the normal sense (so do major cities in Europe, but not as bad).  They don't really have a need to "lie".  Folks can estimate their coal usage and calculate CO2 generation.  They are still building coal generating facilities without pollution controls of any sort (or limited sorts).

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Riffraft on March 11, 2020, 10:16:18 AM
I have a cruise schedule for the last week of March, The Cruise line has offered to let us cancel up to 48 hours before the cruise with full credit for future cruise through December 2022. 

Personally I see no reason to cancel for fear of catching COVID-19. However there is the fear of the ship getting quarantined for several days when we get back. That is the risk vs reward that I am weighing right now. So far as I know 2 cruise ships have been quarantined returning to the US so far. I will probably wait up until the 48 hours to see if any more ships have it happened before making a decision. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 11, 2020, 10:27:59 AM
We canceled ours, based on quarantine fears. We're young and healthy so I wasn't worried about the virus. I was worried about getting back to work. We'll probably use the voucher for our 2021 Trans-Atlantic.

Airfare (points) has also been completely refunded. So, we'll spend a week or two at our new place in Florida, painting and remodeling a bathroom.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 11, 2020, 10:31:14 AM
I figure spending an extra week on a cruise ship would be "OK" with us if I had internet and reading materials.

We have a balcony suite so some exposure to the outside.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: ELA on March 11, 2020, 10:33:32 AM
However there is the fear of the ship getting quarantined for several days when we get back.
Yup, that's the issue
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 11, 2020, 10:42:00 AM
April 6 is our departure date for Istanbul, no cruise involved, I think is possible air travel to Europe will be curtailed by then.  I guess our cruise in September will be OK.  I have not yet made air reservations, and can delay the cruise if needed.

That one is in the Baltic and I was looking forward to visiting Russia, Finland, and Sweden.  The wife has a good friend in Sweden and we were going to spend 4-5 days with her.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 11, 2020, 10:56:04 AM
I don't like China. I'd never go there.

One of my SIL is Chinese (1st born American from immigrants) and she took her 4 kids last year. They spent the whole trip with masks on - to breathe safely.

She said she'd never go back, for any reason. I'll heed that.
I loved China when I went (3 trips during ~2015). I'd gladly go back--once this whole Coronavirus thing peters out...

I was in Shanghai and Shenzhen, and Shanghai was quite nice. Shenzhen more dirty, but not horribly so. I've heard Beijing and many other inland cities have terrible pollution, but that wasn't my experience in the coastal cities. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 11, 2020, 10:58:43 AM
China is taking some drastic steps to reduce transmission.  For example, people are told not to leave their house, and trips for shopping are limited, and schools are all online.  They've even limited elevators to four people at a time.  So I don't think the lack of factory output is necessarily suggesting they are lying. 
Yeah, one of the guys I know on my homebrew forum is an expat teaching English in Wuhan. They've all been quarantined, and classes are all being taught online. For a few weeks the streets looked post-apocalyptic because of how empty they were, but it seems that as time has gone by, they've been easing up.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 11, 2020, 11:09:46 AM
I figure spending an extra week on a cruise ship would be "OK" with us if I had internet and reading materials.

We have a balcony suite so some exposure to the outside.
We had a balcony too. The majority of the ship is balcony. I just didn't want to get stuck.

That, and we are very social people*. I'd rather there be 700 people (full capacity) on board than 250. I'm afraid that's what it will be - or even less??


* We met a German couple on our last crossing, as they use the cruise to get to the US, where they own property in Florida. We've now stayed with them once at their place in Italy, and twice in Florida, including a few weeks ago. It's nice to meet new people, and make good friends. We'll visit them in Munich next year, and then take the crossing back to our homes in Florida.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 11, 2020, 11:15:16 AM
Obviously, the huge cruise liners have a lot of interior cabins, and cabins that only have a window.  Some figure the food is the same so why pay more for a balcony.

I was much happier with our cruise in the Med than either in the US.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 11, 2020, 11:19:53 AM
I'll never go on one of those big ships again. Did it one time. That was enough.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 11, 2020, 11:24:57 AM
I don't mind'em myself.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 11, 2020, 12:19:35 PM
China is taking some drastic steps to reduce transmission.  For example, people are told not to leave their house, and trips for shopping are limited, and schools are all online.  They've even limited elevators to four people at a time.  So I don't think the lack of factory output is necessarily suggesting they are lying. 
I think the lack of factory output, nearly two months after they began quarantining those workers, indicates they are still dealing with a lot more than they are advising the WHO and the rest of the world.

I also know them to be chronic liars when it comes to things that they believe might make them look bad in the eyes of the world.

Don't get me wrong, I like China in general and I've worked directly with dozens of Chinese employees of my own companies, and others, for decades-- including two direct reports on the global team I managed at a previous employer.  I like their people, and I like their country, but this is a cultural thing for them, and a political thing for their government.

I do not trust a single data point they've distributed so far, and the truth is, we'll never know, because they have the capability of completely locking down that type of information, unlike most Western countries.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 12, 2020, 08:51:36 AM
It appears that both Delta and Hilton are allowing changes, cancellations, so our trip is off.  I'm not going to try and call until the surge hopefully abates a bit.  I hate being on hold.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 12, 2020, 09:21:59 AM
you have a speaker phone?
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 12, 2020, 09:26:22 AM
you have a speaker phone?
Yes, I hate being on hold, period.  The wife wants me to call now, I told her she could have at it, I bet their lines are clogged.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Riffraft on March 12, 2020, 10:10:34 AM
We canceled ours, based on quarantine fears. We're young and healthy so I wasn't worried about the virus. I was worried about getting back to work. We'll probably use the voucher for our 2021 Trans-Atlantic.

Airfare (points) has also been completely refunded. So, we'll spend a week or two at our new place in Florida, painting and remodeling a bathroom.

Wife is leaning towards cancelling our cruise and I also purchased my flights by points, so I will get everything refunded or credited toward further cruise.

It really is the fear of a quarantine that is moving us. Though I talked about talking our laptops with us, because both of us can work remotely, and just work from quarantine if it happens. 

I can't imagine just staying at home and using PTO for laying around the house, so I will probably take maybe a day or two but not the whole time. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Riffraft on March 12, 2020, 10:12:30 AM
April 6 is our departure date for Istanbul, no cruise involved, I think is possible air travel to Europe will be curtailed by then.  I guess our cruise in September will be OK.  I have not yet made air reservations, and can delay the cruise if needed.

That one is in the Baltic and I was looking forward to visiting Russia, Finland, and Sweden.  The wife has a good friend in Sweden and we were going to spend 4-5 days with her.

Son is currently in Scotland, He is suppose to fly to Amsterdam today, but is thinking of just staying in the UK, so that he doesn't get stuck, since he is suppose to fly back to his home on Monday. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 12, 2020, 10:17:58 AM
Wise move to cancel right now, given the lack of penalty. 

I get 7 weeks of PTO these days, and can never seem to get to that number used.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MichiFan87 on March 12, 2020, 10:18:34 AM
Well, it looks like we're officially in a recession with the market going as low as it has been since the Christmas 2018 correction.... I'm not sure how close we are to the bottom either.....
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 12, 2020, 10:19:29 AM
guess I won't be retiring in the next few months - oh well
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 12, 2020, 10:21:11 AM
Recession is a broad term, and yes, we are in one. Unlike 2008, this one is not rooted in bad financial fundamentals. Strictly outside forces here, and not sustainable. 

I believe we will be very rocky through the 2nd quarter, before things stabilize.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 12, 2020, 10:35:20 AM
Gavin Newsom just announced that all gatherings of over 250 people should be cancelled. Wife and I are planning to go to A Bronx Tale at our local OC theater (Segerstrom) tonight, and she's concerned whether we should go or not--or if Segerstrom will even continue holding shows.

Then, next Friday a winery club we belong to in Paso Robles is holding their annual party (probably well over 500 in attendance, but mostly held outside over the extent of their property, and not in close quarters), and we're trying to figure out whether that event will even occur. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 12, 2020, 10:39:30 AM
On the bright side... We're nearly out of my wife's favorite "daily drinker" wine, a house brand for BevMo called "Unruly." BevMo is the home of the 5c wine sale, where you buy one bottle for normal price and get the next for 5c, effectively so the wine is half-price compared to the label. So her daily drinker cab and chard both come out to $7/btl. 

Well, today they're having a "flash sale" on Unruly where buying one bottle gets you TWO extra for that 5c. And they have a $10 off $75 coupon. 

Looks like I'm buying 2 cases :72:
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 12, 2020, 10:47:26 AM
 For a few weeks the streets looked post-apocalyptic because of how empty they were, but it seems that as time has gone by, they've been easing up.
Thats good we should all be circulating that story from someone on the inside.Because of the Jerry Springer news sevices fanning the flames the truth won't get a fair shake.At least until even the Carnival Barkers realize this has run it's course
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 12, 2020, 11:19:14 AM
Gavin Newsom just announced that all gatherings of over 250 people should be cancelled. Wife and I are planning to go to A Bronx Tale at our local OC theater (Segerstrom) tonight, and she's concerned whether we should go or not--or if Segerstrom will even continue holding shows.

why the arbitrary number of 250?

why not 500 or 100 or 50? 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 12, 2020, 11:22:18 AM
Seems arbitrary.

So, 249 is OK, but 250? No way!!
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 12, 2020, 11:25:44 AM
hopefully some math behind it

so the consequence of one person affecting 200 of 250 people is the contamination of 200 x 10 = 2000

much better than one person affecting 500 folks

2,000 more affected walking around is OK, but 5,000 is bad 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 12, 2020, 11:32:07 AM
There are statistical reasons for it, but it's still not ever going to be hard and fast.  As pointed out, is there a statistically significant difference between 250 people, and 249?  No, of course not.

In Austin our large-gathering ban is 2,500 people.  So perhaps we're doomed???

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 12, 2020, 11:35:51 AM
why the arbitrary number of 250?

why not 500 or 100 or 50?
I know it came from the CDC. Originally they were talking about >1000 people, but they brought it down to 250.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 12, 2020, 12:04:43 PM
next week, if things go south, they could move it to 10
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 12, 2020, 12:06:12 PM
There are statistical reasons for it, but it's still not ever going to be hard and fast.  As pointed out, is there a statistically significant difference between 250 people, and 249?  No, of course not.

In Austin our large-gathering ban is 2,500 people.  So perhaps we're doomed???


another fantastic reason to never move there
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 12, 2020, 12:12:40 PM
next week, if things go south, they could move it to 10
No worries - the only time I panic buy is at last call
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: ELA on March 12, 2020, 12:17:15 PM
Same, we have tickets to a show tomorrow, and are hoping they just cancel it, so we don't have to make a call.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MichiFan87 on March 12, 2020, 12:25:59 PM
And now the Ivy League schools are all cancelling the rest of their spring sports seasons.....
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 12, 2020, 12:32:35 PM
No worries - the only time I panic buy is at last call
the bar in my small town has been closed more than open the past 5 years
I've learned to drink at home and alone if pushed
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 12, 2020, 12:36:02 PM
the bar in my small town has been closed more than open the past 5 years
I've learned to drink at home and alone if pushed
When I drink alone... I prefer to be by myself.

Although...

(https://i.imgur.com/9S22Non.png)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 12, 2020, 12:37:27 PM
the bar in my small town has been closed more than open the past 5 years
I've learned to drink at home and alone if pushed
You need to open a bar.


I only drink when I'm alone, or with people.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 12, 2020, 12:38:28 PM
Is it just me that thinks maybe this is starting to go beyond prudence and into CYA mode? 

That it's just a race to out-response each other? 

I.e. that events are just being cancelled because if someone is LESS prudent than some other entity and something goes wrong, they'll get a PR b!tch-slap, and they want to avoid that rather than actually making these calls based upon legitimate risk assessment? 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 12, 2020, 12:48:24 PM
You need to open a bar.

I wouldn't serve Corona
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 12, 2020, 12:49:28 PM
Is it just me that thinks maybe this is starting to go beyond prudence and into CYA mode?
No.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 12, 2020, 12:53:26 PM
Is it just me that thinks maybe this is starting to go beyond prudence and into CYA mode?

That it's just a race to out-response each other?

I.e. that events are just being cancelled because if someone is LESS prudent than some other entity and something goes wrong, they'll get a PR b!tch-slap, and they want to avoid that rather than actually making these calls based upon legitimate risk assessment?

I absolutely believe that's a big part of it.  Effectively a race to the bottom, but in terms of social or political capital.

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 12, 2020, 12:56:34 PM
I'd rather see this now rather than later when it's more urgent.  This is prudent.  It's pro-active.  It's smart.  Sorry/not sorry if it's inconvenient or things don't seem dire enough to warrant it.
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The same people questioning this would be the same saying we should've done something sooner if we hadn't......
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 12, 2020, 01:30:27 PM
I'd rather see this now rather than later when it's more urgent.  This is prudent.  It's pro-active.  It's smart.  Sorry/not sorry if it's inconvenient or things don't seem dire enough to warrant it.
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The same people questioning this would be the same saying we should've done something sooner if we hadn't......
I mean, I get that...

But when you look at the Big Ten Tournament, for example. I can see the rationale for keeping out fans. I could see the rationale, if the tournament was a week or two out, to cancel it to avoid all the travel/etc.

But the teams are all on-site. The media is all on-site. They've been on planes. In hotels. It seems that holding the games is such a minimal additional risk compared to what has already been done that I don't understand it. 

If the NCAA cancels the tourney this week, given that nobody has traveled for the event yet, I would understand that more than this. But I wouldn't expect them to cancel it next Thursday/Friday morning. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 12, 2020, 01:44:13 PM
I mean, I get that...

But when you look at the Big Ten Tournament, for example. I can see the rationale for keeping out fans. I could see the rationale, if the tournament was a week or two out, to cancel it to avoid all the travel/etc.

But the teams are all on-site. The media is all on-site. They've been on planes. In hotels. It seems that holding the games is such a minimal additional risk compared to what has already been done that I don't understand it.

If the NCAA cancels the tourney this week, given that nobody has traveled for the event yet, I would understand that more than this. But I wouldn't expect them to cancel it next Thursday/Friday morning.
Maybe they will let the first four play, and then cancel in the middle of the last one.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 12, 2020, 01:48:37 PM
I'd rather see this now rather than later when it's more urgent.  This is prudent.  It's pro-active.  It's smart.  Sorry/not sorry if it's inconvenient or things don't seem dire enough to warrant it.
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The same people questioning this would be the same saying we should've done something sooner if we hadn't......
agreed
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 12, 2020, 01:48:53 PM
I mean, I get that...

But when you look at the Big Ten Tournament, for example. I can see the rationale for keeping out fans. I could see the rationale, if the tournament was a week or two out, to cancel it to avoid all the travel/etc.

But the teams are all on-site. The media is all on-site. They've been on planes. In hotels. It seems that holding the games is such a minimal additional risk compared to what has already been done that I don't understand it.

If the NCAA cancels the tourney this week, given that nobody has traveled for the event yet, I would understand that more than this. But I wouldn't expect them to cancel it next Thursday/Friday morning.
also agree with this
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MichiFan87 on March 12, 2020, 01:59:33 PM
It's a shitshow all around for sure. The BigTen is the only league left that will supposedly continue its hockey tournament, but I wouldn't be surprised if that ends up not happening, too.....
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 12, 2020, 02:20:31 PM
We were at Costco today and there was panic buying, the lines to check out took up half the store.  We left.  Kroger was almost out of TP but not insanely busy.

I managed to get through and cancelled our hotel in Turkey, those were nonrefundable, two rooms for 8 nights at the Hilton there.  I liked that they cancelled it and will refund.  The lady said the lines were insane today with cancellations.

We had lunch at Killer Burger, which is quite good, and noted a large number of take out orders.

I bought a camera lens for the trip, well, really because it sounded pretty cool, so I will keep that for future travel.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 12, 2020, 02:30:10 PM
We were at Costco today and there was panic buying, the lines to check out took up half the store.  We left.  Kroger was almost out of TP but not insanely busy.
I need to go later today. Hopefully it's not insane. 
 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MichiFan87 on March 12, 2020, 02:44:10 PM
Kansas and Duke are effectively suspending their athletic departments, including basketball.......
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 12, 2020, 02:48:28 PM
Kansas and Duke are effectively suspending their athletic departments, including basketball.......
So does that move Purdue from first four out to last four in? 

#askingforafriend
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 12, 2020, 02:59:11 PM
I need to go later today. Hopefully it's not insane.
 
Every Costco I've heard of, in every city I've spoken with folks about, is a disaster area.  Heck, my last trip to Costco was over a week ago and even then the panic-buying frenzy had already begun.  "Animal Spirits" I suppose.

Grocery stores around here are fine, though.  Completely out of hand sanitizer, and running low on toilet paper for reasons I do not understand, but not complete anarchy like Costcos have become.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 12, 2020, 03:06:47 PM
We were in Costco last week several times, I bought eye glasses and the wife bought me a piano and things were "fine", the usual.  Today was really insane.  I think they were out of TP, something which has everyone confused.  I think it's panic buying.

It might as well be coffee or napkins or tampons.  Toilet paper is made in the US, nearly all of it.  Some of the pulp used comes from Brazil or Canada.

I am so confused.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 12, 2020, 03:07:12 PM
I need to go later today. Hopefully it's not insane.
 
Bring a weapon.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 12, 2020, 03:09:44 PM
Bring a weapon.
Dood lives in Cali.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 12, 2020, 03:10:02 PM
Luckily, we have clear leadership nationally.  We listen to the CDC people and then hear the president tell us precisely the opposite of what they told us.  Fun stuff.  This is why you don't let a 7 year-old drive....because you don't control when a serious curveball presents itself.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 12, 2020, 03:10:14 PM
Dood lives in Cali.
Bring a nerf gun.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 12, 2020, 03:17:19 PM
The only issue I saw with Costco was the long long check out lines.  People were being very courteous otherwise.  We even got gas, which was $2.28/gal for premium.

We just didn't want to wait to check out that long.

I called Hilton to cancel the hotel and the lady said they had been slammed all day.  She was very nice about it.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 12, 2020, 03:25:54 PM
I mean, there's a lot of reasons you don't let a 7 year old drive.

My 10 year old is a pretty awesome driver though, I'll tell you that much.

On the toilet paper, I can SORT of understand the idea that people are planning on isolating themselves for multiple weeks at a time, and if they're attempting to avoid all human contact or at least a lot of it, then the necessities must be purchased in bulk at the beginning of this.  But even with my wife and 12yo daughter using toilet paper at a crazy rate, we still only use maybe 4-6 rolls per week.  So a 24-pack should get us through a month of quarantine.

But some folks are carting off pallets of the stuff.  Are they trying to create a shortage and then corner the market or something?  So strange.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Honestbuckeye on March 12, 2020, 03:34:32 PM
Luckily, we have clear leadership nationally.  We listen to the CDC people and then hear the president tell us precisely the opposite of what they told us.  Fun stuff.  This is why you don't let a 7 year-old drive....because you don't control when a serious curveball presents itself.
Confirmation bias. Or/ you weren’t listening. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 12, 2020, 03:57:03 PM
I'm going to the grocery store in an hour, after I drop the daughter at Olive Garden

I was out of town for nearly a week, so just normal shopping

I'm worried I won't have basketball to watch in the evenings - lucky for daylight savings and spring weather, I can spend a few hours in the yard after work
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 12, 2020, 04:17:41 PM
Confirmation bias. Or/ you weren’t listening.
You're honestly defending him.......holy hell.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 12, 2020, 04:18:43 PM
Let's not do this. Not here.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 12, 2020, 04:22:59 PM
As soon as the president stops encouraging people with Corono virus to go to work.  
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 12, 2020, 04:23:07 PM
I'm at work and didn't need a government official to encourage me
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 12, 2020, 04:24:19 PM
Let me get your medal
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 12, 2020, 04:25:31 PM
It's not just  at the top, the NYC mayor literally told people to try to get into subway cars that had fewer people.  The level of understanding is brutal.  
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MichiFan87 on March 12, 2020, 04:27:18 PM
And now the Big Ten is suspending all sports for the rest of the year....
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Honestbuckeye on March 12, 2020, 05:32:51 PM
As soon as the president stops encouraging people with Corono virus to go to work. 
You're honestly defending him.......holy hell.
Not defending him at all in fact I don’t think he needs defending. Constructively criticizing you for posting something that many many many people would solidly disagree with.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 12, 2020, 05:47:02 PM
I imagine we have people here all over the political spectrum (I hope so).  However, this isn't the place to reveal that IMHO.

We had years ago some "issues" as a result of political dissension superceding discussion about, well great running backs and it got out of hand, leading to the current set of rules.

If you despise Trump or admire Trump, great, fine with me, but keep it off these pages.  We have a very entertaining Area 51 for such things.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Riffraft on March 12, 2020, 06:00:02 PM
Is it just me that thinks maybe this is starting to go beyond prudence and into CYA mode?

That it's just a race to out-response each other?

I.e. that events are just being cancelled because if someone is LESS prudent than some other entity and something goes wrong, they'll get a PR b!tch-slap, and they want to avoid that rather than actually making these calls based upon legitimate risk assessment?
 Probably replying late to this, but that is probably what is going on. No one now can take a chance of having their event and have someone get sick and die. We certainly can't have people personally responsible for making their own decisions on whether the risk is worth the reward. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Riffraft on March 12, 2020, 06:03:02 PM
I'd rather see this now rather than later when it's more urgent.  This is prudent.  It's pro-active.  It's smart.  Sorry/not sorry if it's inconvenient or things don't seem dire enough to warrant it.
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The same people questioning this would be the same saying we should've done something sooner if we hadn't......
Quite wrong. I am one saying it and will continue to say it. This is a blown out of proportion hysterical overreaction and have never said anything in that past that things should have be done sooner (Particularly when it comes to governmental actions which I would generally say never should have come at all). 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 12, 2020, 06:05:32 PM
Every Costco I've heard of, in every city I've spoken with folks about, is a disaster area.  Heck, my last trip to Costco was over a week ago and even then the panic-buying frenzy had already begun.  "Animal Spirits" I suppose.

Grocery stores around here are fine, though.  Completely out of hand sanitizer, and running low on toilet paper for reasons I do not understand, but not complete anarchy like Costcos have become.
Costco wasn't a problem. More busy than usual, and the TP/paper towels were gone. Bottled water supplies were VERY low but not gone.

But we had our Costco anarchy 2 weeks ago and it settled down. Maybe yours just started?
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Riffraft on March 12, 2020, 06:05:46 PM
You're honestly defending him.......holy hell.
You honestly saying that you actually listen to him . . . . holy hell. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 12, 2020, 06:07:24 PM
I believe you, but what's the break-even point?  Can 3 people die going to basketball games?  Is that acceptable?  Can 100 people die going to concerts?  What's the number?  
What's the number if it's someone you care about?  I'm guessing that number is 1.  Then you'd change your stance (but not a moment before).
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 12, 2020, 06:07:59 PM
Bring a weapon.
Dood lives in Cali.
Bring a nerf gun.
At 6'5", 265#, and a 2nd degree black belt, I'm not worried. I *am* a weapon. :)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Riffraft on March 12, 2020, 06:10:29 PM
Personally I think the press, the president, the CDC, the NCAA, the Pro sports leaque, etc. are all overreacting to this. 

Personally, I am quite peeved that I am losing my vacation because of all this, not because I am afraid of getting sick, but because I can't trust that when I leave the country I am going to be able to get back into the country because of all the hysteria. It sucks I am going to lose out because of other people's irrational (and yes I think it is irrational unless you are very old and/or already have an underlying condition) fears. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 12, 2020, 06:12:39 PM
I imagine we have people here all over the political spectrum (I hope so).  However, this isn't the place to reveal that IMHO.

We had years ago some "issues" as a result of political dissension superceding discussion about, well great running backs and it got out of hand, leading to the current set of rules.

If you despise Trump or admire Trump, great, fine with me, but keep it off these pages.  We have a very entertaining Area 51 for such things.
+1

Seriously, people. This isn't the place. 

We've skirted political issues in the past, because we've talked about issues and policy, not about people and partisanship. This is going the wrong direction.

I recognize that all of us likely have very strong feelings, one way or another, on the current inhabitant of the White House.

I'm happy to debate any of them with any of you over a beer in a bar (although no shaking hands--not in this environment), or even over homebrews and something my wife and I cook.

But not on these pages. We've kept it clean for as long as I remember being around this place and all of its predecessors. Let's not change it now. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 12, 2020, 06:13:22 PM
My karate instructors back in the day were two guys.  One was a 6'4" "former" Marine black belt and one little Asian guy who walked around occasionally saying something.  We asked the big guy how he'd do against the little guy and he said "He'd whip my butt in about 15 seconds.".

The Asian guy every so often would smack the block we used to hit that had a meter on it attached to a spring as he walked by and pin the meter.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Riffraft on March 12, 2020, 06:15:31 PM
I believe you, but what's the break-even point?  Can 3 people die going to basketball games?  Is that acceptable?  Can 100 people die going to concerts?  What's the number? 
What's the number if it's someone you care about?  I'm guessing that number is 1.  Then you'd change your stance (but not a moment before).
What is the break-even point, Can 3 people die because they are driving on the freeway at the speed limit? is that acceptable? Can 100 people die driving on the freeway? what's the number? What's the number if it's someone you are about? 

You can make your argument about anything in which someone may die. I am willing to beat that by the end of the month more people would have died in car accidents, Died from the flu, Died from household accident and any number of things than die from CROVID-19. Death is tragic, but you cannot argue because someone might die to stop things from happening. People die from all kinds preventable things all the time, but we don't stop it.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Riffraft on March 12, 2020, 06:18:47 PM
I imagine we have people here all over the political spectrum (I hope so).  However, this isn't the place to reveal that IMHO.

We had years ago some "issues" as a result of political dissension superceding discussion about, well great running backs and it got out of hand, leading to the current set of rules.

If you despise Trump or admire Trump, great, fine with me, but keep it off these pages.  We have a very entertaining Area 51 for such things.
I apology, though I must say I think only times I have every brought up politics on this forum has been in response to OAM's political statements. I will refrain in the future. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 12, 2020, 06:21:59 PM
Personally I think the press, the president, the CDC, the NCAA, the Pro sports leaque, etc. are all overreacting to this.

Personally, I am quite peeved that I am losing my vacation because of all this, not because I am afraid of getting sick, but because I can't trust that when I leave the country I am going to be able to get back into the country because of all the hysteria. It sucks I am going to lose out because of other people's irrational (and yes I think it is irrational unless you are very old and/or already have an underlying condition) fears.
The problem is that it's not THAT irrational.

Yes, mortality rates for anyone who is not old or with underlying medical conditions are very low. I'm not worried about what would happen if I catch COVID-19. 

But so far everything shows that this is much more transmissable than the flu. ESPECIALLY if you don't take these sort of precautions. It has a longer incubation period, and you may be asymptomatic for 24-48 hours [or more] while still being contagious. 

So I look at it this way... Sunday night we're planning to do our St Patrick's Day celebration with the kids and my wife's dad and step-mom. They're not "old", at only 65. But he has Szogren's Syndrome (an autoimmune disease) so is more susceptible to and at higher risk for these things. 

How would I feel if I'd gone to a conference tournament, came home, was completely asymptomatic, and then found out that I'd infected him and he was hospitalized or [god forbid] died? 

These containment procedures are there for a reason. 

As I've said, I'm not sure if they're going too far or not. But at least I understand why they're doing it.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 12, 2020, 06:22:03 PM
People die in car crashes, so let's ignore the virus.
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Perfect. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 12, 2020, 06:23:24 PM
The problem is that it's not THAT irrational.

Yes, mortality rates for anyone who is not old or with underlying medical conditions are very low. I'm not worried about what would happen if I catch COVID-19.

But so far everything shows that this is much more transmissable than the flu. ESPECIALLY if you don't take these sort of precautions. It has a longer incubation period, and you may be asymptomatic for 24-48 hours [or more] while still being contagious.

So I look at it this way... Sunday night we're planning to do our St Patrick's Day celebration with the kids and my wife's dad and step-mom. They're not "old", at only 65. But he has Szogren's Syndrome (an autoimmune disease) so is more susceptible to and at higher risk for these things.

How would I feel if I'd gone to a conference tournament, came home, was completely asymptomatic, and then found out that I'd infected him and he was hospitalized or [god forbid] died?

These containment procedures are there for a reason.

As I've said, I'm not sure if they're going too far or not. But at least I understand why they're doing it.
I wouldn't try to convince anyone to care about the collective.  Many won't care until they, themselves, are hospitalized.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 12, 2020, 06:37:21 PM
I don't mean to chastise anyone here at all.  I just wanted to recount an old experience we had here.  It got unpleasant.

I hope everyone stays safe and healthy.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MaximumSam on March 12, 2020, 06:52:38 PM
Ohio schools closed for three weeks. Ohio's top health official guesstimates 100,000 people in the state are infected.

It's tough. I had planned on taking the fam to see my parents next week. But they are both in their 70's and my mom just got done with chemo. So...what, don't visit? But when realistically could I?
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 12, 2020, 06:55:06 PM
Ohio schools closed for three weeks. Ohio's top health official guesstimates 100,000 people in the state are infected.

It's tough. I had planned on taking the fam to see my parents next week. But they are both in their 70's and my mom just got done with chemo. So...what, don't visit? But when realistically could I?
I would err on the side of caution in that circumstance.  I HOPE we know more about this in a couple weeks.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 12, 2020, 07:23:20 PM
That's the thing. We don't know much of anything right now. We do know that this will pass, much like other pandemics have passed.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on March 12, 2020, 07:52:08 PM
Our company just issued a no travel rule without approval from the C suite.  I'm mid trip now.  Do I need permission to go home? We wondered out loud.  We are even segregating our teams, which isn't that big of a deal.

Now I'm going to dine alone.  Still pretty normal dining crowds around here.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 12, 2020, 08:08:31 PM
That's the thing. We don't know much of anything right now. We do know that this will pass, much like other pandemics have passed.
Precisely - and with this much unknown, there is absolutely nothing wrong with being proactive. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 12, 2020, 08:30:35 PM
Two weeks ago, Italy had 322 confirmed cases of the coronavirus. At that point, doctors in the country’s hospitals could lavish significant attention on each stricken patient.

One week ago, Italy had 2,502 cases of the virus, which causes the disease known as COVID-19. At that point, doctors in the country’s hospitals could still perform the most lifesaving functions by artificially ventilating patients who experienced acute breathing difficulties.


https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/who-gets-hospital-bed/607807/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/who-gets-hospital-bed/607807/)

Since we don't know how bad this will get here.  I'm ok with any precaution
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 12, 2020, 08:44:36 PM
12,000 cases in Italy, over 800 dead.  Yeah, let's just yell 'MURICA and ignore it  tough it out.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 13, 2020, 06:23:26 AM
From what I'm reading:

1.  We might not build up immunity after being infected.  We also might.
2.  Summer might, or might not, slow the spread.
3.  Those infected and "recovered" may still spread the disease for some time.
4.  Some with mild symptoms may have no idea they have the disease and be contagious.
5.  The impact on children appears to be slight.  The impact on the aged and infirm can be critical.  For healthy adults, the impact is "not too bad" usually.
6.  The virus can survive on hard surfaces for up to a day or so, apparently.

Please correct any of that you understand to be wrong.  I presume the subways are largely shutting down or not being used.  I have a "notion" that many are preparing to "shelter in place" for a week or so and see what develops, hence the Costco runs.  Obviously, group travel is just about down now.  
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 13, 2020, 08:17:23 AM
Now I'm going to dine alone. 
I eat a sandwich over the sink quite a bit - not that distressing ;D
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 13, 2020, 08:23:38 AM
Traffic here is way down from normal today.  I wonder if Costco today will be mobbed or empty.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: LetsGoPeay on March 13, 2020, 08:27:11 AM
We were supposed to leave on a cruise to Aruba, Curacao, Bonaire, and St. Maarten next weekend. While several cruise lines have suspended operations for 60-90 days, Royal Caribbean, on which we are booked, has not. While at this point I don't want to go simply because I'm worried about not being able to get back into the country or having to be quarantined and away from my kids, I'm also worried about losing a significant amount of money on this.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 13, 2020, 08:30:49 AM
I suspect they will shut it down and refund or allow you to reschedule. 

For guests scheduled to sail on or before July 31, 2020, the “Cruise with Confidence” program allows individual guests and guests in non-contracted groups booked on Royal Caribbean International (RCI) to cancel up to 48 hours prior to the vacation start date.7 days ago


 (https://www.royalcaribbean.com/cruise-with-confidence)
Cruise with Confidence | Royal Caribbean Cruises


https://www.cruisehive.com/royal-caribbean-allows-cancellations-up-to-48-hours-prior-to-sailing-due-to-covid-19-fears/38160 (https://www.cruisehive.com/royal-caribbean-allows-cancellations-up-to-48-hours-prior-to-sailing-due-to-covid-19-fears/38160)


 (https://www.royalcaribbean.com/cruise-with-confidence)

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: LetsGoPeay on March 13, 2020, 08:34:35 AM
I suspect they will shut it down and refund or allow you to reschedule. 

For guests scheduled to sail on or before July 31, 2020, the “Cruise with Confidence” program allows individual guests and guests in non-contracted groups booked on Royal Caribbean International (RCI) to cancel up to 48 hours prior to the vacation start date.7 days ago


 (https://www.royalcaribbean.com/cruise-with-confidence)
Cruise with Confidence | Royal Caribbean Cruises


https://www.cruisehive.com/royal-caribbean-allows-cancellations-up-to-48-hours-prior-to-sailing-due-to-covid-19-fears/38160 (https://www.cruisehive.com/royal-caribbean-allows-cancellations-up-to-48-hours-prior-to-sailing-due-to-covid-19-fears/38160)


 (https://www.royalcaribbean.com/cruise-with-confidence)


Thank you sir
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 13, 2020, 08:43:32 AM
The cruise lines are looking at a global stop, I suspect, and very soon.  Cruising is "nonessential".  The airlines will be clobbered but folks do have legit need to travel by air.

One of my concerns if if/when health care professionals get ill (and contagious).  I hope they have mild symptoms in the main and can continue to work, scary as that may be, if they are treating COVID patients.  Some of the "elective" or delayable treatments could slow down.

We might need even the specialists on board to help with COVID care, meaning your knee surgery would be delayed.  I don't mean to be fear mongering, just imagining what could happen if this really has spread significantly already.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 13, 2020, 09:00:38 AM
Yes, elective surgeries and other delayable procedures are already being cancelled/forbidden at various hospitals and medical centers around the country.  The idea being there will be a more acute need for hospital beds, sterile equipment, etc. to treat outbreak patients and other more serious cases.

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 13, 2020, 09:08:37 AM
The wife went two days ago for a post op check up.  Her surgeon was in a professional building up the street from us.  There is a 24/7 there on the ground floor, but everything else is some kind of specialist or PT site, so I don't think there was abnormal infection risk.  They certainly had pulled out all the stops.

I have friends who are EMTs and nurses and MDs.  One is an OB/GYN, I was chatting with him briefly on line.  He is older, 66 I think, but said he was ready to provide general service as needed, but women about to give birth also need care of course.  The OB thing has to go on.

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 13, 2020, 09:16:52 AM
The spread in Italy was pretty bad, but if you've ever been to Italy, well, it's different than here.

People hang out in squares all day and all night. The people are very huggy and touchy and kissy. Add in muilti-millions of tourists (including from China - lots and lots and lots go to Italy - I was shocked at first) and there is your recipe.

We're not going to hang out in squares (or arenas) now. We are not a touchy crowd. Incoming travel is all but banned.

I don't think we will see the spread like they did. I can only hope I'm right.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 13, 2020, 09:23:22 AM
The spread in Italy was pretty bad, but if you've ever been to Italy, well, it's different than here.

People hang out in squares all day and all night. The people are very huggy and touchy and kissy. Add in muilti-millions of tourists (including from China - lots and lots and lots go to Italy - I was shocked at first) and there is your recipe.

We're not going to hang out in squares (or arenas) now. We are not a touchy crowd. Incoming travel is all but banned.

I don't think we will see the spread like they did. I can only hope I'm right.

Their population also skews older than ours so the death rate is likely going to be higher.

And no offense intended to Italy or Italians, but to anyone who has spent much time there, it's near 3rd-world in its resources, compared to most other Western countries including the US.  I've worked there, stayed extended periods with people who lived there, and when people describe it as "The Mexico of Europe" they're not far off.  It's less affluent, and lower in resources, than many other countries in Europe. 

Not saying we won't see significant outbreak here in the US, indeed it has already begun.  But there are also many reasons to believe the death rate in the USA is going to be lower than that in Italy, even if the R0 or infection rate, and penetration to the population, is the same or similar.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 13, 2020, 09:23:51 AM
France as well is very kissy, but I think they have limited that.  They do like hanging out in public spaces for sure, one thing I like about it.

Some of our close friends are pretty elderly in France.  Two cousins of the wife's are MDs.  I have not heard from them of late.  Maybe "we" will learn that many of us can work from home rather effectively for much of the time.  

Traffic here is WAY down.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 13, 2020, 09:29:04 AM
Yeah France is also a more progressed country than Italy in many ways.  I expect them to fare better.

Spain on the other hand, could end up being more like Italy...
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 13, 2020, 09:35:36 AM
Good analogy, with Italy and Mexico.

Spain doesn't get as many Chinese tourists as Italy once did.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on March 13, 2020, 09:43:09 AM
The spread in Italy was pretty bad, but if you've ever been to Italy, well, it's different than here.

People hang out in squares all day and all night. The people are very huggy and touchy and kissy. Add in muilti-millions of tourists (including from China - lots and lots and lots go to Italy - I was shocked at first) and there is your recipe.

We're not going to hang out in squares (or arenas) now. We are not a touchy crowd. Incoming travel is all but banned.

I don't think we will see the spread like they did. I can only hope I'm right.
I heard an interesting theory that it wasn't really about preventing the spread overall, but spacing it out so medical facilities weren't overwhelmed and heard immunity could develop.

Basically, most people will get it in some form, but slowing it limits the problems.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 13, 2020, 09:45:12 AM
Yes, it is called "spreading the curve" or "dampening the curve" so the number of cases is spread out over time instead of "all at once".

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 13, 2020, 09:47:42 AM
"Flatten the curve."

(https://wwmt.com/resources/media/88e30b7b-d821-4a58-ab2d-f462994e8345-large16x9_GFX3.PNG?1584035934464)\

The total area under those two curves is represented as being the same, in other words the same % of the population will become infected.  But the peak is much lower, and ideally, below the threshold of maximum capacity for treatment by all of the medial facilities in the region.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: GopherRock on March 13, 2020, 09:53:21 AM
When the Mrs. and I were in Italy over the Christmas break, the places we we're at were full of Chinese tourists. 

K12 schools in Minnesota haven't closed yet, but everyone involved in my wife's circles have been instructed to start drawing up plans for online curriculum delivery. I suspect that next week's state boys basketball tournament will be cancelled, and this weekend's girls basketball tournament has been forced behind closed doors. 

I'm in the "move aggressively now" camp, because if we're waiting until it's obvious to close schools, it's too late. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 13, 2020, 09:56:38 AM
When the Mrs. and I were in Italy over the Christmas break, the places we we're at were full of Chinese tourists.

K12 schools in Minnesota haven't closed yet, but everyone involved in my wife's circles have been instructed to start drawing up plans for online curriculum delivery. I suspect that next week's state boys basketball tournament will be cancelled, and this weekend's girls basketball tournament has been forced behind closed doors.

I'm in the "move aggressively now" camp, because if we're waiting until it's obvious to close schools, it's too late.
This is the problem. I truly believe this.

Oh, and don't get in the way of one of their "convoy" people trains. They'll run your ass over and not be sorry.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Riffraft on March 13, 2020, 10:12:28 AM
People die in car crashes, so let's ignore the virus.
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Perfect.

Yes that is exactly what I said. I know you are not stupid, so I guess you choose to just not read what I said.

I have never said ignore the virus, I have said we are over reacting to the danger that it poses due to the hysteria being presented by others.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MaximumSam on March 13, 2020, 10:20:27 AM
My daughter woke up with a fever so I guess we are in quarantine mode now.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 13, 2020, 10:21:23 AM
This is the problem. I truly believe this.

Oh, and don't get in the way of one of their "convoy" people trains. They'll run your ass over and not be sorry.
Totally different expectations of courtesy, and proximity, in many Asian nations.  It's just cultural.

First time I noticed it was during a high school trip to Hawaii.  At the time, it was mostly Japanese tourists (they practically owned the island of Oahu in the 80s/early 90s), although now Chinese tourists are also prevalent there.  The major difference was in waiting for access to confined spaces.  For them, waiting for an elevator, they push up against one another and past each other, in an effort to get to the front.  Then, the moment the elevator doors open, nobody is waiting for the folks on the elevator to get off first, it's just a complete free-for-all with people trying to get off, while being pushed and shoved around by people trying to get on.  In American and most Western cultures, that's rude behavior.  For them, it's simple, daily life.

For those who haven't been to Asia in general or China specifically, and especially into the factories which are VAST-- larger than many American cities by themselves-- you really don't have any way to understand just exactly how cramped and close, people there live.  It's mind-boggling.  In factories like Foxconn they "hot-bunk" which means they share beds/living quarters. People on day shift live and sleep in those bunkbed quarters at night, and people on night shift live and sleep in those bunkbed quarters during the day.  And really, most places run 3 shifts, so it's just constantly being packed into close quarters with other humans, at all times of day and night.

Just pointing out some other cultural and physical differences between places where this virus originated, and our own country.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Riffraft on March 13, 2020, 10:21:52 AM
The problem is that it's not THAT irrational.

Yes, mortality rates for anyone who is not old or with underlying medical conditions are very low. I'm not worried about what would happen if I catch COVID-19.

But so far everything shows that this is much more transmissable than the flu. ESPECIALLY if you don't take these sort of precautions. It has a longer incubation period, and you may be asymptomatic for 24-48 hours [or more] while still being contagious.

So I look at it this way... Sunday night we're planning to do our St Patrick's Day celebration with the kids and my wife's dad and step-mom. They're not "old", at only 65. But he has Szogren's Syndrome (an autoimmune disease) so is more susceptible to and at higher risk for these things.

How would I feel if I'd gone to a conference tournament, came home, was completely asymptomatic, and then found out that I'd infected him and he was hospitalized or [god forbid] died?

These containment procedures are there for a reason.

As I've said, I'm not sure if they're going too far or not. But at least I understand why they're doing it.
I have told my 80 year mother to stay at home because she has a compromised immune system. I am not saying don't take reasonable precaution, I am of the opinion based on what I have seen of the statistics that cancelling the NCAA tournament, suspending sport season, etc. are being overly cautious.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 13, 2020, 10:34:39 AM
As I mentioned when I said we almost got quarantined, my wife is an office manager for a small internal medicine practice.

They've already said that no sick patients will be allowed in the office. When doing all "reminder" calls for patients they're asking whether there are any symptoms of sickness and if so the patients are to stay home (if not severe) and go to urgent care (if severe), but are not being seen in the office. 

They're talking about keeping the office physically closed while this blows over and moving to a tele-med operation. One of the doctors also works in the hospital part of the week and I think she's worried that not only might she be affected, but she could possibly put the rest of the staff in danger, so they're trying to take this pretty seriously. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 13, 2020, 10:40:23 AM
This is the problem. I truly believe this.

Oh, and don't get in the way of one of their "convoy" people trains. They'll run your ass over and not be sorry.
Totally different expectations of courtesy, and proximity, in many Asian nations.  It's just cultural.

First time I noticed it was during a high school trip to Hawaii.  At the time, it was mostly Japanese tourists (they practically owned the island of Oahu in the 80s/early 90s), although now Chinese tourists are also prevalent there.  The major difference was in waiting for access to confined spaces.  For them, waiting for an elevator, they push up against one another and past each other, in an effort to get to the front.  Then, the moment the elevator doors open, nobody is waiting for the folks on the elevator to get off first, it's just a complete free-for-all with people trying to get off, while being pushed and shoved around by people trying to get on.  In American and most Western cultures, that's rude behavior.  For them, it's simple, daily life.
Yeah, it's cultural. My wife's first experience with this was 2 years ago in France. At Versailles she had a little Chinese lady crowding and pushing her all along the tour and was getting EXTREMELY annoyed by it, and then of course there's the melee that occurs trying to get anywhere near the Mona Lisa at the Louvre. 

Having traveled and been more accustomed to that I almost didn't notice, but when I realized how stabby she was getting, I had to mention to her that the lady wasn't doing anything considered "rude" in Chinese culture--it's just different. I don't think it made her any happier, but we avoided an international incident lol ;-) 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: GopherRock on March 13, 2020, 10:59:39 AM
The Chinese guy seated next to us at dinner after Christmas Eve Mass only stopped sucking on his vape pen long enough to smoke 3 cigarettes. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 13, 2020, 11:00:00 AM
So the winery event next weekend was canceled, as well as another event we'd planned in Paso, so we've canceled our hotel and won't be traveling. 

We had plans to go to the theater last night, and my wife was just not feeling it. So after sitting on hold with the theater trying to exchange tickets for ~$5 minutes, I gave up and figured if we lost the ticket money I'd just deal with it. About an hour later we got a notification that all performances (including ours) were canceled. 

So far my autistic son who is in a public school program hasn't had any change to the school routine as there has been no official guidance here in OC to close schools. But my other two kids, who are in a charter school, will now be out of school starting Monday through the end of what would be their normal Spring Break, and return April 15. So 4 weeks off. Since they're a charter, they're already saying they will likely extend the school year a few weeks in June to make up the time. 

But as they say, this is a fast-moving situation, so who knows what else may change in the next 24...
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 13, 2020, 11:00:17 AM
My daughter woke up with a fever so I guess we are in quarantine mode now.
Good luck, my friend.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 13, 2020, 11:10:26 AM
most possibly no correlation but..........

Italy's national health service known as Servizio Sanitario Nazionale and of course China's health service run by the governments

I'd guess their issues were more about being blindsided than anything
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 13, 2020, 11:16:50 AM
Oh and bwar, this is the line at my closest Costco this morning, at 9:30 AM, before they opened at 10.  The door is way up there in front.  This is the back of the line. I wasn't there and didn't take the picture, thankk goodness.  You mentioned that y'all had your Costco panic buy weeks ago, and actually so did we.  But this is more.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200313/c5e8d1b3063112e0b28b0c0e27494b36.jpg)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 13, 2020, 11:18:44 AM
you folks do have other options than Costco???

I bought toilet paper at the grocery store for $3.99 last night - one package
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 13, 2020, 11:19:27 AM
My daughter woke up with a fever so I guess we are in quarantine mode now.
Good luck buddy. Keep us posted.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 13, 2020, 11:22:19 AM
This is when the wife will get the point about having a hand-held shower head, that was a must-have item for me. Heh.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 13, 2020, 11:29:27 AM
Oh and bwar, this is the line at my closest Costco this morning, at 9:30 AM, before they opened at 10.  The door is way up there in front.  This is the back of the line. I wasn't there and didn't take the picture, thankk goodness.  You mentioned that y'all had your Costco panic buy weeks ago, and actually so did we.  But this is more.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200313/c5e8d1b3063112e0b28b0c0e27494b36.jpg)
I've heard of similar lines at opening from my wife, who has seen the pictures on the local FB community group. 

I went about lunchtime yesterday, and it was busy but not in a state of panic. 

I know I've made the argument *many* times that humans like to believe we're rational beings, and that we're not anywhere close, and I'll add this to my [ever-growing] evidence list in favor of my position.

The worst thing about this is that it is self-fueling. My wife is worried about the ability to get TP. Not because she doesn't think we have enough, but because she's worried enough other people are worried that we won't be able to get it when we need it. She's not "stand outside in line at Costco before they open" worried, but she did buy extra TP at Target last week even though we already had about a 4-5 week supply. 

I think there are a more than a few people who are in the line in your picture thinking "wow, amazing how crazy all these OTHER people in this line are--but I'm just being prudent!"
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 13, 2020, 11:33:17 AM
FYI this was from two days ago, but I think it's clear that the number of reported and confirmed cases is nowhere even remotely close to accurate...

(https://www.sciencealert.com/images/2020-03/corona-virus-tests-8-countries.jpg)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on March 13, 2020, 11:49:04 AM
My revelation of the other day: the internet--specifically social media--is really good at spreading misinformation and mass hysteria, and pretty weak at spreading useful, fact-based information.

Which makes me appreciate this crowd all the more. Sure, we disagree--that's kind of the point--but most of the time we do it without hysteria (misinformation, like claiming Austin is a habitable city, happens, but what are you going to do).

Kudos. If only our little slice of the internet could spread to other outlets.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 13, 2020, 12:03:01 PM
I will guess that if the toilet paper plants work overtime for a week or so, they can easily catch up with demand

butt, then they won't sell hardly any TP after the scare for months
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 13, 2020, 12:04:53 PM
I will guess that if the toilet paper plants work overtime for a week or so, they can easily catch up with demand

butt, then they won't sell hardly any TP after the scare for months
Heh. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 13, 2020, 12:04:57 PM
My revelation of the other day: the internet--specifically social media--is really good at spreading misinformation and mass hysteria, and pretty weak at spreading useful, fact-based information.

Which makes me appreciate this crowd all the more. Sure, we disagree--that's kind of the point--but most of the time we do it without hysteria (misinformation, like claiming Austin is a habitable city, happens, but what are you going to do).

Kudos. If only our little slice of the internet could spread to other outlets.

I actually laughed out loud!

And I completely agree with you.  When one of his football players at Texas tweeted something really stupid that brought unnecessary heat onto himself, Charlie Strong notoriously remarked, "Twitter will be the end of us all."

He might be right...
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 13, 2020, 12:14:46 PM
My revelation of the other day: the internet--specifically social media--is really good at spreading misinformation and mass hysteria, and pretty weak at spreading useful, fact-based information.

Which makes me appreciate this crowd all the more. Sure, we disagree--that's kind of the point--but most of the time we do it without hysteria (misinformation, like claiming Austin is a habitable city, happens, but what are you going to do).

Kudos. If only our little slice of the internet could spread to other outlets.
Way ahead of you on social media. I think it's ruining our social interactions, not enhancing them.

Also regarding this place... My tagline at Hammer & Rails [advertising cfb51] calls it "The most reasonable college football forum on the internet." I stand by that.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 13, 2020, 12:17:13 PM
"We" seem to "run off" he ridiculous "fans", at times to our entertainment detriment.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 13, 2020, 12:32:04 PM
We are not just college football. We are everything.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 13, 2020, 12:34:41 PM
This is the problem. I truly believe this.

Oh, and don't get in the way of one of their "convoy" people trains. They'll run your ass over and not be sorry.
Introduce them to Mr Smith and Mr Wesson - it's the American Way.Unless of course you're in Italy then just launch a loogie
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 13, 2020, 12:40:52 PM
My daughter woke up with a fever so I guess we are in quarantine mode now.
Good Luck Sam,it's not unusual to get colds this time of year with the temperature change.Keep us posted
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 13, 2020, 12:52:15 PM
All this likely will dampen the frequency of folks getting flu and colds.

I am guessing we need another week or so to get a decent read on this.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 13, 2020, 01:33:16 PM
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Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 13, 2020, 01:51:27 PM
Yes that is exactly what I said. I know you are not stupid, so I guess you choose to just not read what I said.

I have never said ignore the virus, I have said we are over reacting to the danger that it poses due to the hysteria being presented by others.
This isn't some guessing game where the consequence of being wrong is equal, whether you're wrong above or below the line.  
If we're too cautious, zero additional deaths will occur and it would have wasted some money.
If we're wrong the other way, it would cause unknown numbers of deaths and would cost more money in the long run.
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So in this situation of the great unknown, it's an easy choice of which way to be wrong on - we must be cautious.  It's not even a choice.  No, the masses aren't responding well, but it's due to so much being unknown (ie - lack of testing) and not because they're overly cautious.  The masses are stupid and animalistic and prone to such behavior - it's predictable.  
Prudent cautiousness is what the situation calls for.  And no matter what anyone's opinion of Trump is, we can all agree he doesn't possess the capacity to influence anyone with cautiousness, nor prudence.  
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 13, 2020, 02:12:14 PM
My school district is saying we're coming back on Monday, as scheduled.  We're on spring break this week.
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I expect that message to change in the next couple of days.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 13, 2020, 02:14:53 PM
Our schools just shut it down. College too.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 13, 2020, 02:24:19 PM
This isn't some guessing game where the consequence of being wrong is equal, whether you're wrong above or below the line. 
If we're too cautious, zero additional deaths will occur and it would have wasted some money.
If we're wrong the other way, it would cause unknown numbers of deaths and would cost more money in the long run.
So in this situation of the great unknown, it's an easy choice of which way to be wrong on - we must be cautious.  
I see your point, but "it would have wasted some money" is a little bit of a bigger issue than perhaps is being understood.  

It's always a balancing act. We have thousands of highway deaths, but we don't set speed limits at 5 mph to counteract this. That would be an overreaction, and the damaged caused in commute, shipping, etc times would destroy the chance of having an economy. 

We've basically voluntarily shut down a huge portion of our economy for the next month. We WILL see business fail over this. We WILL see people out of work, possibly unable to make their rent/car/utility payments. The pain point is going to be significant. It's not just "wall street". It'll be seen on main street too. 

Maybe the death toll if we didn't would be SO huge that it was more than worth it. But we don't know what the death toll would be, and so you can't simply say that no reaction is an overreaction if it saves lives. 

The optimal balance point is not zero deaths. That sounds rude as $&#@ to say, but it simply isn't. Just as we don't shut down our entire economy every year for the flu, which kills tens of thousands a year in this country alone. 

I'm hoping we're making the right decision here. The downside is if we are successful in staving this off, the death toll will be low, and then a bunch of people will be saying "well we obviously overreacted because the death toll was so low" while others will say "if we hadn't done this the death toll would have been huge" and the problem is that we don't know which group is right.  
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on March 13, 2020, 02:33:26 PM
I see your point, but "it would have wasted some money" is a little bit of a bigger issue than perhaps is being understood. 

It's always a balancing act. We have thousands of highway deaths, but we don't set speed limits at 5 mph to counteract this. That would be an overreaction, and the damaged caused in commute, shipping, etc times would destroy the chance of having an economy.

We've basically voluntarily shut down a huge portion of our economy for the next month. We WILL see business fail over this. We WILL see people out of work, possibly unable to make their rent/car/utility payments. The pain point is going to be significant. It's not just "wall street". It'll be seen on main street too.

Maybe the death toll if we didn't would be SO huge that it was more than worth it. But we don't know what the death toll would be, and so you can't simply say that no reaction is an overreaction if it saves lives.

The optimal balance point is not zero deaths. That sounds rude as $&#@ to say, but it simply isn't. Just as we don't shut down our entire economy every year for the flu, which kills tens of thousands a year in this country alone.

I'm hoping we're making the right decision here. The downside is if we are successful in staving this off, the death toll will be low, and then a bunch of people will be saying "well we obviously overreacted because the death toll was so low" while others will say "if we hadn't done this the death toll would have been huge" and the problem is that we don't know which group is right. 
So in this case, it would be logical to listen to our medical professionals and epidemiologists?

Again, there are obviously balances all over. 

One interesting one was about schools. If you close them, you might take a chunk of your medical staff out of circulation for childcare reasons. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: NorthernOhioBuckeye on March 13, 2020, 02:34:22 PM
I see your point, but "it would have wasted some money" is a little bit of a bigger issue than perhaps is being understood. 

It's always a balancing act. We have thousands of highway deaths, but we don't set speed limits at 5 mph to counteract this. That would be an overreaction, and the damaged caused in commute, shipping, etc times would destroy the chance of having an economy.

We've basically voluntarily shut down a huge portion of our economy for the next month. We WILL see business fail over this. We WILL see people out of work, possibly unable to make their rent/car/utility payments. The pain point is going to be significant. It's not just "wall street". It'll be seen on main street too.

Maybe the death toll if we didn't would be SO huge that it was more than worth it. But we don't know what the death toll would be, and so you can't simply say that no reaction is an overreaction if it saves lives.

The optimal balance point is not zero deaths. That sounds rude as $&#@ to say, but it simply isn't. Just as we don't shut down our entire economy every year for the flu, which kills tens of thousands a year in this country alone.

I'm hoping we're making the right decision here. The downside is if we are successful in staving this off, the death toll will be low, and then a bunch of people will be saying "well we obviously overreacted because the death toll was so low" while others will say "if we hadn't done this the death toll would have been huge" and the problem is that we don't know which group is right. 
Very well stated. While I hope we are doing everything we can to prevent people from dying, destroying our economy to do so is NOT the answer. A good economy saves countless lives and helps to extend both life expediencies and the quality of life in general. As you say, there has to be balance in whatever we do. If we are not cognoscente of how our actions or the government actions negatively affect the economy, it could make the situation considerably worse.   
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 13, 2020, 02:37:38 PM
So in this case, it would be logical to listen to our medical professionals and epidemiologists?
Yes. But I think that some folks (like my kids' school) are going well beyond what our medical professionals and epidemiologists are saying. 

I don't believe their saying that all of modern life needs to come to a halt and the entire country should shelter-in-place for 2 weeks. They're saying that we should avoid very large crowds and gatherings to reduce spread, wash our hands, and otherwise just follow good practices.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 13, 2020, 02:38:45 PM
Yes. But I think that some folks (like my kids' school) are going well beyond what our medical professionals and epidemiologists are saying.

I don't believe their saying that all of modern life needs to come to a halt and the entire country should shelter-in-place for 2 weeks. They're saying that we should avoid very large crowds and gatherings to reduce spread, wash our hands, and otherwise just follow good practices.
Ehhh, what would you call a large school???
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 13, 2020, 02:50:32 PM
C'mon guys.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 13, 2020, 03:10:55 PM
I'm looking forward to all of this proactive thinking working, then the naysayers saying, "see, told you it was no big deal." 
That'll be my favoirte.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Honestbuckeye on March 13, 2020, 03:17:37 PM
I'm looking forward to all of this proactive thinking working, then the naysayers saying, "see, told you it was no big deal."
That'll be my favoirte.
Who are the naysayers?   Where? What are “ they” saying. Or are they just figments of your imagination?  Enlighten us?
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 13, 2020, 03:58:37 PM
The wife needed a prescription at Kroger so I figured I'd pick up a few items, the essentials like a big foam cowboy hat.  The parking lot was full, first sign.  There were no carts.  The store is about half empty  I did get some milk.  There were large sections completely bare, often of odd things like meat (almost bare).  No TP at all, we were there yesterday and they were fully stocked except TP.

I think this is a serious situation, but "we" are going to feel foolish with a year's supply of TP in our houses.  I'm surprised there hasn't been a run on gasoline, I guess that is next.  Supposedly there is only enough gasoline at the stations to fill up ten percent of the cars on the road.  I was here in 2004 when the metro area was OUT of gasoline, not lines, not high prices, OUT, 6 million people (5 million back then) and no gas this side of Tennessee.

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on March 13, 2020, 03:59:11 PM
My revelation of the other day: the internet--specifically social media--is really good at spreading misinformation and mass hysteria, and pretty weak at spreading useful, fact-based information.

Which makes me appreciate this crowd all the more. Sure, we disagree--that's kind of the point--but most of the time we do it without hysteria (misinformation, like claiming Austin is a habitable city, happens, but what are you going to do).

Kudos. If only our little slice of the internet could spread to other outlets.
I read this, and my friend, I have to disagree.

The internet and even social media are wonderful at spreading useful, fact-based information. Both things are great at it. But the issue is how we process it. There really isn't nearly as much misinformation as there is fact-based information, but the former is often amplified in such a way that it catches a lot of attention. 

It does have the ability to bring together people with problematic worldviews and let them fester. It does allow a more amplified version of some of the worst kinds of confirmation bias. But it's not like TV or newspapers in their times didn't spread hysteria or even misinformation (stranger danger is a lie, never forget). 

Anyway, it's a way to spread information. Most of it is fact-based. Much of it is useful. But the other stuff is a problem, maybe an intractable one. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 13, 2020, 04:03:52 PM
I'm looking forward to looking back on all of this
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Riffraft on March 13, 2020, 04:05:24 PM
This isn't some guessing game where the consequence of being wrong is equal, whether you're wrong above or below the line. 
If we're too cautious, zero additional deaths will occur and it would have wasted some money.
If we're wrong the other way, it would cause unknown numbers of deaths and would cost more money in the long run.
.
So in this situation of the great unknown, it's an easy choice of which way to be wrong on - we must be cautious.  It's not even a choice.  No, the masses aren't responding well, but it's due to so much being unknown (ie - lack of testing) and not because they're overly cautious.  The masses are stupid and animalistic and prone to such behavior - it's predictable. 
Prudent cautiousness is what the situation calls for.  And no matter what anyone's opinion of Trump is, we can all agree he doesn't possess the capacity to influence anyone with cautiousness, nor prudence. 

This is where you are wrong. Over Cautiousness will cost people jobs, livelihood, money, retirement funds. Being overly cautious will cause the economy to go into a temporary recess that is not a matter of how sound the economy is. Tell the people whose living depends on the income from working sporting events, etc. that being overly cautiousness doesn't hurt. 

And I agree Prudent cautiousness is what the situation calls for, however shutting down all these events, etc. is not "prudent" in my opinion. 

I know it is not one to one equivalent but with the H1N1 60M in the USA got it. 212K were hospitalized, 12K died. Covid-19 is nowhere near these numbers in the US. Where was the massive shutdowns then? Like all of these things in my lifetime, the virus runs it course, people take prudent precautions. People get sick, some die, but society continues without a gigantic disruption to society. 

Sorry, but I am amazed how you seem to know what is good for the "masses" You are superior in your judgement then the Stupid and animalistic hoi polloi. Hate to say but typical elitism, we know what is good for you better than you know yourself. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 13, 2020, 04:48:00 PM
I read this, and my friend, I have to disagree.

The internet and even social media are wonderful at spreading useful, fact-based information. Both things are great at it. But the issue is how we process it. There really isn't nearly as much misinformation as there is fact-based information, but the former is often amplified in such a way that it catches a lot of attention.

It does have the ability to bring together people with problematic worldviews and let them fester. It does allow a more amplified version of some of the worst kinds of confirmation bias. But it's not like TV or newspapers in their times didn't spread hysteria or even misinformation (stranger danger is a lie, never forget).

Anyway, it's a way to spread information. Most of it is fact-based. Much of it is useful. But the other stuff is a problem, maybe an intractable one.
I agree that most info is based in fact, but much of it stops there with just the base and goes off willy nilly and although it had a base it is pure misinformation.  
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 13, 2020, 04:48:28 PM
I'm looking forward to looking back on all of this
Amen, Brother!


I'll drink to that
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 13, 2020, 05:10:38 PM
Spoke too soon, perhaps. One local school district just announced closure and I expect my son's to announce within 1-2 hours. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on March 13, 2020, 05:47:37 PM
I'm looking forward to looking back on all of this
I was gonna say "Oh God why?" because what good is most of this doing?

But then I realized you might mean in terms of just getting past it, which would be nice. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 13, 2020, 05:58:02 PM
The Unknown.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 13, 2020, 06:03:10 PM
Oh, and there's about 57 million K-12 students in the U.S.  I guess many will get sick and ho-hum, some will die.  Just as long as it's not an inconvenience.
I'm pretty sure we're not closing schools to save the children. The good thing about this one (relative to influenza) is that it seems to spare the kids. 

We're closing schools because kids are wonderfully efficient disease vectors. They're like little febreze bottles full of germs, and schools are where they share the germs between them. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 13, 2020, 07:07:43 PM
Football, and sports, is a thing that takes us away from Reality (which often is unpleasant).

The wife and I walked up to the Atlanta Botanical Garden today (which is a gem).  We were there 6 days ago and the changes are immense, it's fantastic.  Spring and all that portends.  Printemps.  The High Museum of Art has closed due to this mess.  Bummer.

I'm going to buy on line some gift cards to restaurants we like locally to support them.  Try to help out the nonchain places out there, the small business guys trying to work hard and make it.

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 13, 2020, 10:20:55 PM
I didn’t fight my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 13, 2020, 10:27:14 PM
I wonder if someone had told Henry Ford that over a million people would die annually in traffic incidents if he'd have started over, building something else.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 13, 2020, 10:54:06 PM
Considering how it changed global economy,convenience and pleasure it's an unfortunate trade off.Ask all the people who made it to a hospital on time who otherwise wouldn't have
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 13, 2020, 11:02:52 PM
I wonder if someone had told Henry Ford that over a million people would die annually in traffic incidents if he'd have started over, building something else.
He wouldn't have invented the assembly line? 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on March 13, 2020, 11:37:28 PM
I agree that most info is based in fact, but much of it stops there with just the base and goes off willy nilly and although it had a base it is pure misinformation. 
A. I am confused by this, because at this start it's fact based and then end is misinformation based and I can't tell where one starts and the other ends (oh God is that the point?!)

B. By volume, there is a lot of misinformation, but that's because the volume of information in the internet is basically unfathomable. Just huge swaths of raw information. Shakespeare and Sartre, calculus and chemistry, huge chunks of most of the things you learned in elementary and high school are available. More news than has ever been available, live looks into things, the ability to communicate in unprecedented ways. Dynamic housing prices, the ability to procure and offer goods and services with ease. There's so much, we have trouble figuring out what we need to process. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 14, 2020, 07:18:17 AM
I'm pretty sure we're not closing schools to save the children. The good thing about this one (relative to influenza) is that it seems to spare the kids.

We're closing schools because kids are wonderfully efficient disease vectors. They're like little febreze bottles full of germs, and schools are where they share the germs between them.
I simply refer to kids as mosquitos. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 14, 2020, 09:38:26 AM
I simply refer to kids as mosquitos.
and dogs as hairy naked men
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 14, 2020, 10:04:40 AM
We have humans out there buying every roll of TP they can find.  The only rational explanation is herd instinct and panic.  

They could be buying up coffee or beer or some consumable that one might need more of in two weeks and not be able to get, or gasoline.  Toilet paper?  Even if you run out there are options of course.  If you run out of coffee and beer and can't go outside ...

Bread I can see to some extent.  Milk.  Kroger had plenty of milk.  Milk does go bad of course.  Kroger had plenty of eggs Thursday and were out yesterday, completely.

"We" are not rational when herd instinct takes over and a crisis hits.  
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MaximumSam on March 14, 2020, 10:26:31 AM
I bought extra toilet paper two weeks ago when Japan was facing shortages. Stocked up on groceries yesterday. Stopped in today and it seemed everyone was getting bottled water. Knock on wood, but I don't anticipate needing bottled water.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 14, 2020, 10:31:39 AM
my tap water is good
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 14, 2020, 10:36:35 AM
We have excellent tap water too.

I have not shopped at all, although I might go to get some basics, like eggs and cheese. There is always at least 2 weeks of food in the freezer, so I think we are fine.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 14, 2020, 10:53:21 AM
our political system and our filthy politicians are in a bad place
If we can get unscrupulous Wall Street CEOs in the same room with them - I have some ideas
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 14, 2020, 11:21:45 AM
In addition to getting all of our points back to our BCU Rewards account for our flight to Lima, American just refunded all of the money I paid for premium seat upgrades. I like that American stepped up here, even though the upgrades were supposedly non-refundable. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 14, 2020, 11:27:01 AM
I think we are most dependent on electricity of all things provided externally.  Water can become critical as well obviously.  In theory with electricity we can pump from a well if we have such a thing.  That was a huge advance for rural homes in the 1930s.  My Dad was born in a house that was no different from a house in 1700, basically, in terms of having anything of any note, my Mom the same.  She commented that electricity was huge for them, aside from lighting they now had running water.  That house was on a cistern when I was a kid, the switched to well water later which tasted funny.

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 14, 2020, 06:50:19 PM
What's your favorite beer in times like this?
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MaximumSam on March 14, 2020, 06:58:57 PM
What's your favorite beer in times like this?
It's seasonal but Great Lakes makes a really good one in Conway's Irish Ale. My favorite beer and it's out now
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 14, 2020, 07:01:42 PM
I like most GL stuff.  And Goose Island.  But there are so many local options now ....   and Sam Adams is solid.

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Honestbuckeye on March 14, 2020, 07:01:56 PM
What's your favorite beer in times like this?
Stella.  
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 14, 2020, 07:09:15 PM
Scotch.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 14, 2020, 08:36:40 PM
What's your favorite beer in times like this?
Corona.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on March 14, 2020, 11:12:20 PM
This thread should be quarantined. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 15, 2020, 12:03:16 AM
So my school district sent out a notice that we're closed Monday, a day after sending out a notice that we were going to be open.
Fun.  
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Hawkinole on March 15, 2020, 02:16:03 AM
What town? Just wondering. We are in a town of 5,000. Wife works of school. I think closure will be delayed as long as possible. There is not coronavirus here, but the County Attorney just flew to Fla. for a family fly to event, which surprised me. The virus will be with us within a week.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 15, 2020, 07:06:29 AM
UGA said it would be open after Spring Break and within a day said it would be closed.  Information is arriving so quickly this doesn't surprise me.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 15, 2020, 07:55:23 AM
Houston ISD and most surrounding have extended spring break by a week.

Austin ISD and surrounding, which are currently just beginning spring break, have not yet announced any extensions. But I'll be surprised if they don't. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 15, 2020, 10:49:09 AM
This topic was under quarantine for a while, and has now been sanitized. Please post responsibly. Thank you.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 15, 2020, 11:01:15 AM
What town? Just wondering. We are in a town of 5,000. Wife works of school. I think closure will be delayed as long as possible. There is not coronavirus here, but the County Attorney just flew to Fla. for a family fly to event, which surprised me. The virus will be with us within a week.
I'm in urban Phoenix.  
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on March 15, 2020, 11:05:35 AM
Scotch.
There's a great show on Amazon Prime in the subject of Scotch.  Definitely makes me want to visit Scotland, but not to pay their retail prices for a dram.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 15, 2020, 04:29:12 PM
Scotch.
I've been doing Sober January for the past 2.5 months.  I'm not sure that's going to last much longer in the face of this pandemic. 

So yeah, Scotch will do nicely.  The bottle of Lagavulin my bro gave me for Christmas is just sitting there, unopened, waiting for me.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 15, 2020, 05:48:50 PM
Lagovulin is "interesting" and distinctive stuff.  I picked up a bottle of Woodford rye whiskey.  The clerk asked me if I knew it was rye and not bourbon, which I appreciated.  I like their rye quite a lot, it is slightly different.

I like vanilla in whiskey and a touch in wine, but not beer.

Spring is springing around here, a lot of trees are coming out.  Tulips are all over.  It should be a nice time of year.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 15, 2020, 05:54:22 PM
I am fixing spaghetti sauce, simple stuff, the wife didn't buy onions and bell pepper when she was out, no biggee.  I fixed chuck roast "stew" in the hot pot Thursday and we still have left overs.

I may journey out to Kroger tomorrow early to see the damage.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on March 15, 2020, 05:59:46 PM
Trying to decide if a nap is in order. Have a couple of things to do, but they’ll probably keep.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 15, 2020, 06:01:38 PM
I'm reading a tome about John Marshall.

(https://i.imgur.com/BqTjGpV.png)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 15, 2020, 06:54:26 PM
Lagovulin is "interesting" and distinctive stuff.  I picked up a bottle of Woodford rye whiskey.  The clerk asked me if I knew it was rye and not bourbon, which I appreciated.  I like their rye quite a lot, it is slightly different.

I like vanilla in whiskey and a touch in wine, but not beer.

Spring is springing around here, a lot of trees are coming out.  Tulips are all over.  It should be a nice time of year.
Winds has been blowing out of the North for two days.It has been sunny in the 30s but with the wind C-C-C-COLD
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: DevilFroggy on March 15, 2020, 08:01:24 PM
Currently working out of Ft Worth till mid April, essentially living with my girlfriend for the time being. Visited my 69 y/o father a few times, he's doing good. Ex wife's job will be letting her work from home so the school's in Phoenix getting cancelled aren't too much of an issue for us. 

Route I'm working with the RR is Ft Worth south to Temple, interesting city. Driven through quite a few times but never actually visited.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 15, 2020, 08:33:08 PM
Route I'm working with the RR is Ft Worth south to Temple, interesting city. Driven through quite a few times but never actually visited.
played Sammons Golf Course in Temple back in January - enjoyable
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on March 15, 2020, 08:42:30 PM
Currently working out of Ft Worth till mid April, essentially living with my girlfriend for the time being. Visited my 69 y/o father a few times, he's doing good. Ex wife's job will be letting her work from home so the school's in Phoenix getting cancelled aren't too much of an issue for us.

Route I'm working with the RR is Ft Worth south to Temple, interesting city. Driven through quite a few times but never actually visited.
Heim forever and ever. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 15, 2020, 09:13:25 PM
does the train make a stop in West for the Kolaches?
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: DevilFroggy on March 15, 2020, 09:26:59 PM
does the train make a stop in West for the Kolaches?
I wish. Unfortunately our tracks don't go through West. At about West's latitude our tracks are 28 miles to the west near Clifton.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 15, 2020, 10:37:48 PM
My mom was born and raised in Temple, spent a lot of time there visiting my grandparents over the years.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: CWSooner on March 16, 2020, 12:32:22 AM
A. I am confused by this, because at this start it's fact based and then end is misinformation based and I can't tell where one starts and the other ends (oh God is that the point?!)

B. By volume, there is a lot of misinformation, but that's because the volume of information in the internet is basically unfathomable. Just huge swaths of raw information. Shakespeare and Sartre, calculus and chemistry, huge chunks of most of the things you learned in elementary and high school are available. More news than has ever been available, live looks into things, the ability to communicate in unprecedented ways. Dynamic housing prices, the ability to procure and offer goods and services with ease. There's so much, we have trouble figuring out what we need to process.
But none of that is Twitter.
The critique is not that the internet is a disaster, but that social media is (are) a disaster.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: CWSooner on March 16, 2020, 12:40:03 AM
Currently working out of Ft Worth till mid April, essentially living with my girlfriend for the time being. Visited my 69 y/o father a few times, he's doing good. Ex wife's job will be letting her work from home so the school's in Phoenix getting cancelled aren't too much of an issue for us.

Route I'm working with the RR is Ft Worth south to Temple, interesting city. Driven through quite a few times but never actually visited.
DF:

IIRC, Temple has a nicely preserved AT&SF 4-6-2 "Pacific" steam locomotive on display.

I think Temple was a major RR hub at one point.  Is that the case today?
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 16, 2020, 06:36:53 AM
All bars and restaurants in Illinois have been closed by order from JB.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 16, 2020, 08:21:31 AM
All bars and restaurants in Illinois have been closed by order from JB.
Same-same in Ohio
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on March 16, 2020, 08:56:31 AM
But none of that is Twitter.
The critique is not that the internet is a disaster, but that social media is (are) a disaster.
The conversation started with "the internet--specifically social media--is really good at spreading misinformation and mass hysteria, and pretty weak at spreading useful, fact-based information."

Social media is worse to be sure. It asks more of its consumers, and we are not so discerning. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 16, 2020, 10:20:53 AM
I like OUR social media. As in, this site.

And.. I've got a slight fever. 99.8. F'ing awesome.

My partners and I just agreed on a conference call to become a work-from-home company for the time-being.

I'm cancelling next week's trip to Florida. 

Dammit.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 16, 2020, 10:28:34 AM
When is a fever considered to be high? I've never asked anyone this. I don't remember the last time I had one.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: DevilFroggy on March 16, 2020, 10:31:07 AM
DF:

IIRC, Temple has a nicely preserved AT&SF 4-6-2 "Pacific" steam locomotive on display.

I think Temple was a major RR hub at one point.  Is that the case today?

Yeah from my understanding Temple was a somewhat major terminal with the ATSF, and while not as major today with the BNSF it's still a big switching yard and crew change point.

I'll keep an eye out for that steam engine next time I'm down there.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 16, 2020, 10:38:15 AM
When is a fever considered to be high? I've never asked anyone this. I don't remember the last time I had one.
For adults, usually above 101°F means you're sick.  Above 103° is "really sick".  The 98.6°F figure was just a conversion from the much less precise figure of 38°C.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/fever/symptoms-causes/syc-20352759

 (https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/fever/symptoms-causes/syc-20352759)

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on March 16, 2020, 10:41:07 AM
I like OUR social media. As in, this site.

And.. I've got a slight fever. 99.8. F'ing awesome.

My partners and I just agreed on a conference call to become a work-from-home company for the time-being.

I'm cancelling next week's trip to Florida.

Dammit.
This is a good social media.

Also, I can't recall, y'all are going to the keys or nearby? If so, you get to deal with an annual version of something like this (the is this that serious question) in hurricane season. I'm in a hurricane-adjacent area, and it's a dang thing. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 16, 2020, 10:46:31 AM
Punta Gorda. Thanks for the fever info. I'm going to proceed with caution and stay home for a while.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 16, 2020, 10:49:48 AM
Atlanta is here because in 1837 a rail spur was built south from Chattanooga.  It stopped at a place called Terminus, which later was named Marthasville after the governor's daughter.  An east-west line was then built that connected and the name Atlanta came to be because of the Western & Atlantic RR Co.  The downtown streets are angled at a 45° from the rest of the streets (aside from meandering) because of how the RRs ran.  The town grew to a population of 10,000 by 1860.

(https://i.imgur.com/Y82s7U5.png)



Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 16, 2020, 10:50:44 AM
Punta Gorda. Thanks for the fever info. I'm going to proceed with caution and stay home for a while.
Yeah, if you stay above 100°F, I'd suggest some Tylenol to reduce it.  Tylenol is not good for your liver though, so don't drink.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 16, 2020, 11:00:30 AM
Yeah, if you stay above 100°F, I'd suggest some Tylenol to reduce it.  Tylenol is not good for your liver though, so don't drink.
Drinking's not good for your liver, either. ;)

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 16, 2020, 11:00:54 AM
the email I got this morning says fever of (100.4° F [37.8° C] or higher
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 16, 2020, 11:01:36 AM
Yeah, if you stay above 100°F, I'd suggest some Tylenol to reduce it.  Tylenol is not good for your liver though, so don't drink.
not the only reason I rarely take Tylenol or any other painkiller
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 16, 2020, 11:02:15 AM
the email I got this morning says fever of (100.4° F [37.8° C] or higher
From where?
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 16, 2020, 11:02:34 AM
Tylenol is uniquely bad for the liver.  The NSAIDs are not (aspirin, naproxen, ibuprofen).  
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 16, 2020, 11:03:54 AM
the email I got this morning says fever of (100.4° F [37.8° C] or higher
101.4 Fahrenheit = (101.4 - 32) × 5⁄9 = (69.4) × 5⁄9 = 38.556 Celsius

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: CWSooner on March 16, 2020, 11:04:50 AM
Yeah from my understanding Temple was a somewhat major terminal with the ATSF, and while not as major today with the BNSF it's still a big switching yard and crew change point.

I'll keep an eye out for that steam engine next time I'm down there.

I got this off the Santa Fe Preserved Locomotives (http://atsf.railfan.net/atsfpres/) site.

3423 (http://atsf.railfan.net/atsfpres/atsf3423.jpg)
4-6-2
Temple, TX, Railroad & Heritage Museum (http://www.rrhm.org/), relocated to new site beside restored Santa Fe Temple station, September 2000.

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: CWSooner on March 16, 2020, 11:14:49 AM
Atlanta is here because in 1837 a rail spur was built south from Chattanooga.  It stopped at a place called Terminus, which later was named Marthasville after the governor's daughter.  An east-west line was then built that connected and the name Atlanta came to be because of the Western & Atlantic RR Co.  The downtown streets are angled at a 45° from the rest of the streets (aside from meandering) because of how the RRs ran.  The town grew to a population of 10,000 by 1860.

(https://i.imgur.com/Y82s7U5.png)
Tulsa's downtown streets are similarly angled differently because of the railroad, the St. Louis-San Francisco (a.k.a. "Frisco"), which ran from the ENE to the WSW.  About 30 degrees counterclockwise from a normal N-S/E-W grid.
The Frisco was absorbed in 1980 by the Burlington Northern, which was itself the product of a merger between the Chicago, Burlington & Quincy and the Great Northern, and which later became part of the merger that created the Burlington Northern Santa Fe, now officially the BNSF.
You could write a history of the United State from 1840 to the present through the lens of railroading and you wouldn't miss much.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 16, 2020, 11:20:46 AM
I like OUR social media. As in, this site.

And.. I've got a slight fever. 99.8. F'ing awesome.

My partners and I just agreed on a conference call to become a work-from-home company for the time-being.

I'm cancelling next week's trip to Florida.

Dammit.
Good luck, Badge. Hopefully it's nothing. 99.8 isn't much, as others have mentioned.

If it progresses into a dry cough, sore throat, shortness of breath, that's when the symptoms start aligning with COVID.

My understanding (from my healthcare-adjacent wife) is that acetaminophen is processed through the liver, as is alcohol. Doubling the two puts more aggressive strain on the liver. Ibuprofen is processed through the kidneys, so it has less of a contraindication with alcohol.  
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: CWSooner on March 16, 2020, 11:26:00 AM
The Tulsa Union Depot is a beautiful art deco structure that now houses the Oklahoma Jazz Hall of Fame.  This is the side facing WSW, where taxis would drop off their passengers.  The bridge at the extreme left goes over the tracks down below.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/78/Tulsa_union_Depot_Modern_pict_2009.jpg)

Tulsa's period of rapid growth was the 1920s, and it was a hotbed of art deco construction.  I have read that at one point Tulsa's downtown had the highest proportion of art deco buildings of any downtown in the country.  But thanks to the "urban renewal" projects of the 1960s and '70s, many of those buildings were torn down and replaced with either insipid modernist structures or, worse, parking lots.  It has taken decades to recover from that period of enthusiastic "out with the old, in with something worse" activity.

When I was in HS, the Union Depot was a derelict building inhabited by bums.  Fortunately, it was saved and restored instead of being razed. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 16, 2020, 11:47:29 AM
Good luck, Badge. Hopefully it's nothing. 99.8 isn't much, as others have mentioned.

If it progresses into a dry cough, sore throat, shortness of breath, that's when the symptoms start aligning with COVID.

My understanding (from my healthcare-adjacent wife) is that acetaminophen is processed through the liver, as is alcohol. Doubling the two puts more aggressive strain on the liver. Ibuprofen is processed through the kidneys, so it has less of a contraindication with alcohol. 
and to complicate things further, there are currently some doctors that believe that NSAIDs (which include ibuprofen and aspirin) are causing complications with COVID19 cases, and that where there are cases of death among the younger populations, NSAIDs might have been involved as well.

So, that's nice, for anyone trying to get through the viral infection and the fever associated with it...
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 16, 2020, 11:48:50 AM
and to complicate things further, there are currently some doctors that believe that NSAIDs (which include ibuprofen and aspirin) are causing complications with COVID19 cases, and that where there are cases of death among the younger populations, NSAIDs might have been involved as well.

So, that's nice, for anyone trying to get through the viral infection and the fever associated with it...
Thanks... I hadn't heard that myself, but if I have any symptoms it's definitely something I'll research before taking anything. 

So Badge... Tylenol and no booze for you!
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 16, 2020, 11:51:58 AM
Badge would probably rather die! :)

We're still not on complete lockdown here.  If/when it happens, the no-carb diet is over and beer consumption will resume!

But, I'll also have plenty of time to exercise and work off those calories, so...
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 16, 2020, 11:54:59 AM
and to complicate things further, there are currently some doctors that believe that NSAIDs (which include ibuprofen and aspirin) are causing complications with COVID19 cases, and that where there are cases of death among the younger populations, NSAIDs might have been involved as well.

So, that's nice, for anyone trying to get through the viral infection and the fever associated with it...
that crap is bad for you, not worth the benefits
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 16, 2020, 01:20:41 PM
The wife and I are back from a pretty long walk.  We discovered a part of the park we'd never been to before and walked in the Beltline.  I wanted to find out how best to walk to a nice Indian restaurant we found and  were driving to get there.  The pub next door is closed and doing only take out now.  The botanical garden is closed, which is a shame because spring is really springing here now.

The economic hit of all this is going to be severe, I hope it is a V.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 16, 2020, 01:46:17 PM
Good luck, Badge. Hopefully it's nothing. 99.8 isn't much, as others have mentioned.

If it progresses into a dry cough, sore throat, shortness of breath, that's when the symptoms start aligning with COVID.

My understanding (from my healthcare-adjacent wife) is that acetaminophen is processed through the liver, as is alcohol. Doubling the two puts more aggressive strain on the liver. Ibuprofen is processed through the kidneys, so it has less of a contraindication with alcohol. 
Good Luck and you don't have to drink - or so I've been told
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 16, 2020, 01:48:29 PM
We're still not on complete lockdown here.  
Keep Austin weird !!!
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on March 16, 2020, 01:55:17 PM
Wtf does that even mean, lockdown?   There is no enforcement element, selective businesses are being ordered closed, yes but people are milling around, many places are open.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 16, 2020, 02:42:14 PM
Wtf does that even mean, lockdown?  There is no enforcement element, selective businesses are being ordered closed, yes but people are milling around, many places are open.
Essentially it's tough to truly tell, but here is a story about the restrictions imposed in Italy.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/italy-coronavirus-lockdown-restrictions-200310050125680.html (https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/italy-coronavirus-lockdown-restrictions-200310050125680.html)

So yeah, it's not locking everything down 100%. But with the closure of businesses, actual restrictions on "travel"--which I would take to mean intercity rail or air travel--and basically shutting down everything except the hospital and supermarket, people won't have much reason to go out.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 16, 2020, 02:55:29 PM
Many food places are drive-thru only here in Phoenix.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 16, 2020, 03:00:58 PM
Our daughter in France describes the same kind of lockdown.  They can go out only for bare essentials at the Carrefour or Monoprix.

Every other kind of meeting or gather is banned except I surmise for higher level government meetings and medical professionals.

The economy recovery from all this is going to be ... unpredictable.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 16, 2020, 03:10:55 PM
Many food places are drive-thru only here in Phoenix.
Some of our breweries are going that route here.

Which, I know, sounds terrible...

But instead of having open tasting rooms [ordered to shut down unless they're also restaurants], they're offering growlers/crowlers to go, and several of them have offered drive-up options for people who don't want to walk inside.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 16, 2020, 03:16:40 PM
Wtf does that even mean, lockdown?  There is no enforcement element, selective businesses are being ordered closed, yes but people are milling around, many places are open.
Well, they're able to enforce restaurant, bar, and retail store closings.  You're found open, you're fined or arrested.  That alone would be plenty effective.

No, I don't expect military personnel in tanks forcing all citizens off the streets.  That would actually be counterproductive anyway, as sunlight and fresh air are actually anti-viral.  People NEED to be outside.

But, closing down bars and dine-in restaurants and public gatherings, will certainly eliminate THiS kind of activity, which is part of the point:

(https://images.rove.me/w_740,q_85/xfmkvanmluljmt5zqo12/new-orleans-st-patricks-day.jpg)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 16, 2020, 03:24:17 PM
A restaurant obviously can be closed by the Board of Health.  Same with bar etc.  We're not shutting down except voluntarily.

Our friend texted us he arrived at ATL and is through immigration etc.  He should be here shortly I reckon, no quarantine.

I imagine he has some stories to tell.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 16, 2020, 03:25:22 PM
Just a week ago we were chatting with our Turkish friend who manages one restaurant we like about places to see in Istanbul  Two or three days later I was cancelling everything.  We went from "avoid Italy" to avoid travel entirely.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 16, 2020, 04:37:58 PM
hoping the restaurants my daughters work can remain open at least a few more days

if they don't get the money from the employer, they get it from Dad 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 16, 2020, 05:22:54 PM

So instead of Bone Daddy's it's Broke Daddy
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 16, 2020, 05:29:17 PM
hoping the restaurants my daughters work can remain open at least a few more days

if they don't get the money from the employer, they get it from Dad
Who is their Dad?
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 16, 2020, 06:45:21 PM
their Father, FearlessF
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 16, 2020, 07:08:21 PM
Bay Area lockdown until Apr 7: https://techcrunch.com/2020/03/16/bay-area-counties-announce-lockdown-through-april-7/ (https://techcrunch.com/2020/03/16/bay-area-counties-announce-lockdown-through-april-7/)

For @SFBadger96 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=51) and @bayareabadger (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1571) and anyone else I'm missing, good luck to you all. 

I suspect you may simply be ~2 days ahead of me for a similar lockdown to be announced in OC, but sorry for all of you who are the first ones to have to go through this... 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 16, 2020, 07:13:36 PM
living in the great white north has it's advantages

not many
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on March 16, 2020, 07:20:16 PM
Bay Area lockdown until Apr 7: https://techcrunch.com/2020/03/16/bay-area-counties-announce-lockdown-through-april-7/ (https://techcrunch.com/2020/03/16/bay-area-counties-announce-lockdown-through-april-7/)

For @SFBadger96 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=51) and @bayareabadger (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1571) and anyone else I'm missing, good luck to you all.

I suspect you may simply be ~2 days ahead of me for a similar lockdown to be announced in OC, but sorry for all of you who are the first ones to have to go through this...

Yeah. My office had already told us to work from home, and my kids' schools already cancelled classes, so not a big change for me, but SFIrish is in city government/leadership, and she has had a lot to deal with because of how this thing is progressing. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on March 16, 2020, 07:21:28 PM
i've been playing with the page lately... several- well, a LOT of hours in the code of this thing over the last four days... of course it would have taken someone who knows what they're doing an hour or so...... 

any way, the 'profiles' which were a mess actually work now... if you look at someone's profile, hold shift hit refresh to clear out the old stuff.... it's a lot more presentable and usable now.  

i've got a couple little things to do tonight, and i think i'll leave it alone afterward.  don't fix something that isn't broken, right? 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on March 16, 2020, 07:32:02 PM
part of the job i did for 18 years and ended last June was planning responses- and part of that was pandemic responses... they were written and then updated ever-so-often (on a schedule, actually) to reflect new advances or tech.... 

this 'response' reflects nothing of those plans.  

it beckons a memory of another 'response' i was part of back at the onset of Iraqi Freedom- we had a team that was responsible for a particular type of response.. well practiced and equipped.. and then one night out of the blue (and just as CENTCOM was arriving with metric tons of brass) that something happened smack dab in the middle of that teams AoR of response.... 

what do you think happened? 

the Captain in charge of that team was instantly 'out ranked' by a Colonel (who's occupation never brought him anywhere near the occupation of the captain) who decided to 'take charge'... who was then outranked by a General... who was immediately outranked by yet another General.... so the 'response' was what we have, technically classified, a 'cluster fuck'.

when the dust cleared so did the brass... the captain had to answer to the base commander (a colonel- all the heavy brass were CENTCOM and not part of the base's PP&PO).... the poor guy was lit up- especially because he didn't know the names of the higher ranking officers (and if he did, which i suspect he did, he wasn't about to throw them under the bus)... of course when CENTCOM caught wind of this meeting, they invited themselves.  

here is the punch line: the guy was beat up in that board meeting by the brass was beat up by the very brass that caused all the trouble but who wouldn't take responsibility for their own actions.  according to the captain, who later confided this to me, their primary interest was "why didn't his team follow procedures?"///

i fear something like this is coming at the tail end of this current thing....     
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 16, 2020, 07:32:56 PM
living in the great white north has it's advantages

not many
Home prices are nice there. I've actually quite enjoyed Omaha when I've been there for work in the past. 

There are advantages to being here, but I'd be lying if I didn't say there weren't a lot of drawbacks too.

Yeah. My office had already told us to work from home, and my kids' schools already cancelled classes, so not a big change for me, but SFIrish is in city government/leadership, and she has had a lot to deal with because of how this thing is progressing.
Yeah, I was already working from home almost 100% since getting the puppy, because that's basically standard in my job. It's only because I happened to be near a major office that I even went in at all. The kids are out of school now but apparently they're working on their remote instruction capabilities so they can at least do SOME work.

My wife's office is closed to patients and they're going to be doing tele-med for the time being. The question is whether they have the infrastructure for her to work from home or not, and they're still trying to figure that out. 

If a month-long lockdown is announced tomorrow after 8:30 (when the kids get transferred to their mom), does that mean I get a month without them in the house? :57:
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 16, 2020, 08:17:08 PM
On a good note, I have the flu. So much for that vaunted CDC and their flu shot. First time I've ever got one. Second flu for me this season.

WTF. Dammit.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Kris60 on March 16, 2020, 08:58:53 PM
Who is their Dad?
Zzzziiinnnggg!!!
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 16, 2020, 09:17:25 PM
Cincy has a great sense of humor
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on March 16, 2020, 09:18:37 PM
Cincy has a great sense of humor
i know a bunch of guys who haven't figured that out yet, and will therefor strongly disagree with that. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 16, 2020, 09:19:42 PM
they obviously don't know him as well as I
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on March 16, 2020, 09:20:40 PM
Bay Area lockdown until Apr 7: https://techcrunch.com/2020/03/16/bay-area-counties-announce-lockdown-through-april-7/ (https://techcrunch.com/2020/03/16/bay-area-counties-announce-lockdown-through-april-7/)

For @SFBadger96 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=51) and @bayareabadger (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1571) and anyone else I'm missing, good luck to you all.

I suspect you may simply be ~2 days ahead of me for a similar lockdown to be announced in OC, but sorry for all of you who are the first ones to have to go through this...

I don't live out that way anymore, maybe someday. 

Parents are in the lockdown. I think they'll be OK. My town is not there yet, though we just lost bars and most restaurants. I'm trying to decided when to go get some takeout to support local business and when to rely on the stock of food I spent a bunch of money on the past few days. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 17, 2020, 05:41:42 AM
I don't live out that way anymore, maybe someday.

Parents are in the lockdown. I think they'll be OK. My town is not there yet, though we just lost bars and most restaurants. I'm trying to decided when to go get some takeout to support local business and when to rely on the stock of food I spent a bunch of money on the past few days.
I thought about the same thing. Probably going to do takeout tonight.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 17, 2020, 07:01:27 AM
The wife and I got what I think was the flu in Hawaii 3 years or so back.  We were in our hotel room basically unable to move very far.  I managed to go downstairs for a couple breakfast rolls and some coffee on Day 2.  It was bad.  It hit very fast, the wife got sick an hour or so before I did.  By Day 3 we were able to get out a bit to eat something (outside).  Long airplane flights often make me sick with something.

I hope Badger has a milder version.  It can be much worse than a cold.

I expect to be going to Kroger later if the neighbor texts me what he needs.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 17, 2020, 08:54:20 AM
I feel pretty good. Fever is gone. Just really tired. Couldn't sleep last night, so got out of bed at 4 today. Maybe I'll take a nap later.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MaximumSam on March 17, 2020, 09:00:01 AM
Courts aren't shut down but also not really hearing cases. I plan to be at home for two weeks at least.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 17, 2020, 09:05:01 AM
Can you do any work from home?
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 17, 2020, 09:15:22 AM
About an hour ago, ten or so police cars roared by outside, variously stopping and going, and a large flatbed truck with some item of equipment on it parked just outside, along with some other construction gear.  The street is still close, we had no warning.  I can't get out any other way except by going the wrong way on a one way.

It's still shut and the large piece of equipment is off the flatbed, but I can't see it anywhere.  It looks like maybe they are grinding off the pavement, maybe, but we usually get a warning about that.  Nothing I can find on line.  I see folks walking by so it isn't some public safety issue.  I see a line of dump trucks south of me waiting.

I guess I'm stuck here unless I walk, which I can do of course.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on March 17, 2020, 09:37:19 AM
Courts aren't shut down but also not really hearing cases. I plan to be at home for two weeks at least.
courts shut down here... unless a trial was already going, that is.  they've put a desk at the entrance to the court house where you state your business, and if it isn't important enough you get a little note that said you were there (if you need one) and are sent back home.   yet, my wife (the atty in the house) still has to show up. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 17, 2020, 09:43:13 AM
https://www.ajc.com/news/crime--law/breaking-atlanta-officer-involved-shooting-near-piedmont-park/qIqOhQMq9vEPhKACeu6rvM/ (https://www.ajc.com/news/crime--law/breaking-atlanta-officer-involved-shooting-near-piedmont-park/qIqOhQMq9vEPhKACeu6rvM/)

The police apparently shot someone behaving erratically and waving a gun about two blocks north of us.  And at the same time, the E-W street outside us is being ground down before paving starts.  People are out walking by apparently unconcerned.  I wife says she heard three loud noises that woke her up, I heard them and thought something fell over on our deck.

The apparent area of the shooting is a very "tony" residential neighborhood.

As usual, the news "reports" are confused, some saying the shooting was on 11th street, others saying north of us.  I'm surprised to see so many pedestrians out walking their dogs and whatnot.

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Temp430 on March 17, 2020, 09:56:49 AM
Tom Brady is leaving the Patriots.  It truly is the apocalypses.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: ELA on March 17, 2020, 10:01:59 AM
Michigan fans freed from pretending to like the Patriots, like the guards at the end of Wizard of Oz when the witch melts
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 17, 2020, 10:08:44 AM
So, the story apparently is some guy was walking north on the street randomly shooting in the air.  He stopped to reload according to one fellow who called the police.  That is why they went tearing by around 8 AM.  There were still people out walking at the time not looking concerned.  They got a lot of police here in a hurry and the street is closed now for about 6 blocks.  One officer was wounded apparently.

At the same time, construction guys were here to grind off a side street, so it was a confusing situation.

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 17, 2020, 10:11:58 AM
Michigan fans freed from pretending to like the Patriots, like the guards at the end of Wizard of Oz when the witch melts
I was thinking this same thing.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on March 17, 2020, 11:35:51 AM
About an hour ago, ten or so police cars roared by outside, variously stopping and going, and a large flatbed truck with some item of equipment on it parked just outside, along with some other construction gear.  The street is still close, we had no warning.  I can't get out any other way except by going the wrong way on a one way.

It's still shut and the large piece of equipment is off the flatbed, but I can't see it anywhere.  It looks like maybe they are grinding off the pavement, maybe, but we usually get a warning about that.  Nothing I can find on line.  I see folks walking by so it isn't some public safety issue.  I see a line of dump trucks south of me waiting.

I guess I'm stuck here unless I walk, which I can do of course.
A. Stay safe.
B. That park near your place is always nice. Hopefully not too crowded. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 17, 2020, 11:43:26 AM
The park can get a bit crowded if there are events, or on nice weekend days.  Right now there are few people out that I can see, some, but it's overcast and a bit chilly.

This is the first crime event near us since we moved here.  I was confused because the police cars were going north bound in a hurry and in some confusion, and the initial reports had the incident south of us.  I gather the shooter walked north right by our place.  I could easily have been outside.  He was said to be shooting in the air.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on March 17, 2020, 11:50:48 AM
two observations to share here:

this virus has something to do with attacking people with good teeth.  WV is the safest place to be. 

the Tennessee Vols would have secured an invitation and won the NCAAB tournament this season had it not been cancelled.  IF this extends into football season, ditto. 

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 17, 2020, 12:16:54 PM
The stock market is ... hilarious, in an unfunny way, but funnier today than yesterday.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 17, 2020, 12:27:32 PM
was the officer injured by a bullet?  Going up in the air or falling back to the ground (if shooting into the air)

or was he possibly injured by other means?

frickin crime ridden big cities

criminal's actions probably brought on by the stress and hysteria of the virus, perhaps he couldn't find toilet paper
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 17, 2020, 12:33:01 PM
Reports say one officer was grazed in the head, treated and released.  He returned fire and killed the suspect.  Another officer was grazed in the foot.

This area is not at all crime ridden.  It's an area of million dollar homes near where he was shot.

https://www.hometownatl.com/search?zoom=12&rect=null&layoutType=grid&page=1&listingSort=RELEVANCE&pageSize=24&purchaseType-For-Sale-Rent=1&Listing-Status-1537347864167=Active&key=Ansley%20Park%2C%20Atlanta%2C%20GA&keywordType=neighborhood&utm_source=bryanshortgoogle&utm_content=ansley%20park%20homes%20for%20sale&gclid=Cj0KCQjw6sHzBRCbARIsAF8FMpUu7YuQE04NjEgh5JX-84QjDUCZ7QmAHElNoKhrbdJlddjwzA3o8MYaAmD9EALw_wcB (https://www.hometownatl.com/search?zoom=12&rect=null&layoutType=grid&page=1&listingSort=RELEVANCE&pageSize=24&purchaseType-For-Sale-Rent=1&Listing-Status-1537347864167=Active&key=Ansley Park%2C Atlanta%2C)

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on March 17, 2020, 12:36:11 PM

was the officer injured by a bullet?  Going up in the air or falling back to the ground (if shooting into the air)

or was he possibly injured by other means?

frickin crime ridden big cities

criminal's actions probably brought on by the stress and hysteria of the virus, perhaps he couldn't find toilet paper
Ehh, sounds like a crazy person with a firearm. They have those in the country too, granted, there's less density so less things for a bullet to potentially hit. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 17, 2020, 12:46:05 PM
we have them here for sure

maybe not as many

also not as many cops
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 17, 2020, 12:47:30 PM
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/georgia/articles/2020-03-17/officers-involved-in-shooting-near-atlantas-piedmont-park (https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/georgia/articles/2020-03-17/officers-involved-in-shooting-near-atlantas-piedmont-park)

Could have been a lot worse.  I'm pretty sure I heard some gun fire at one point.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 17, 2020, 01:18:30 PM
Or, something fell over on your deck.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 17, 2020, 01:19:34 PM

This area is not at all crime ridden.  It's an area of million dollar homes near where he was shot.

so 1% criminals
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 17, 2020, 01:21:16 PM
Bernie supporters assume everyone living in a million dollar house is a criminal

except Bernie
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 17, 2020, 01:22:26 PM
The wife has plants on our decks and on occasion one will blow over.  It wasn't very windy though.  The sounds a bit like suicide by cop.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 17, 2020, 01:29:10 PM
The street is open, but still being diverted north of us, and the grinder is apparently finished and being loaded up on the flatbed.  Entertainment galore here.  The truck dropped the flatbed onto the street and the grinder is loading from the front, it looks weird.

It's a side street they are redoing.

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 17, 2020, 01:48:13 PM
who needs televised sporting events?
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 17, 2020, 01:50:06 PM
who needs televised sporting events?
Apparently not ESPN. They still have content.

By which I mean talking heads yelling at each other.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: ELA on March 17, 2020, 03:52:15 PM
Apparently not ESPN. They still have content.

By which I mean talking heads yelling at each other.
Ideally from within 6 feet of each other
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 17, 2020, 04:13:48 PM
Bernie supporters assume everyone living in a million dollar house is a criminal

except Bernie
I usually stay out of politics here/there - but if that guy fell into a barrel of tits he'd come up sucking his thumb
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 17, 2020, 08:29:37 PM
wasn't a political post

was merely a poor attempt at humor
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 18, 2020, 08:16:51 AM
The local news here is predictably not very good.  The shooting incident yesterday was recounted with the only addition that the person killed was a former Marine.  Both officers who were "grazed" were treated and released.  Being grazed is not a very comforting thought.

I got annoyed because they kept saying they would cover this story right after the break, and didn't until THREE breaks later.  Seriously.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 18, 2020, 08:52:27 AM
Well there's breaking news on virus they have to fill you in on
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 18, 2020, 09:48:03 AM
Just back from Kroger, they were pretty well restocked, even had some TP left.  They were out of chicken and grated cheese oddly enough.  No panic buying or shopping.

I bought a few items for our neighbor who is in quarantine.  He says his temperature is fine and he's two weeks away from Rome so he's almost certainly fine.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 18, 2020, 10:04:11 AM
The local news here is predictably not very good.  The shooting incident yesterday was recounted with the only addition that the person killed was a former Marine.  Both officers who were "grazed" were treated and released.  Being grazed is not a very comforting thought.

I got annoyed because they kept saying they would cover this story right after the break, and didn't until THREE breaks later.  Seriously.
the waiting is the hardest part

kind of like being put on hold


“ Patience is bitter, but its fruit is sweet.” Aristotle.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 18, 2020, 11:38:12 AM
Just back from Kroger, they were pretty well restocked, even had some TP left.  They were out of chicken and grated cheese oddly enough.  No panic buying or shopping.

I bought a few items for our neighbor who is in quarantine.  He says his temperature is fine and he's two weeks away from Rome so he's almost certainly fine.
If you're store is like ours (up here, Kroger is Mariano's) then I know the reasoning. Their shredded cheese and chicken are on steep discount in the sales email I received today.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 18, 2020, 11:48:07 AM
They have many brands of shredded cheese of course and they were all gone except the Costco sized bags of Kroger cheddar.  They were out of their brand of chicken and the other national brands they carry as well.  I got some pork chops that were on sale, thick bone in, they cook up nicely.  They had beef and pork, no chicken at all (maybe frozen, I didn't look).  They had maybe 5 packs of "expensive" TP left, we were getting low so I took one.  They were oddly out of a few other items which I presume just didn't get shipped.  

My friends tell me our paper plants are going flat out to get more TP into the system, it's now a distribution issue.  

If some rumor starts that there is a pending shortage of say coffee or beer or bananas, whatever, it will all be sold out in short order even without hoarding.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: NorthernOhioBuckeye on March 18, 2020, 12:33:06 PM
A good friend of mine owns a trucking company. They mainly ship banana's from ports of entry, across the Mid West. He stated that they have been running non stop for the past 3 or 4 weeks trying to keep up with demand.

Also, when they are empty heading back to a port, they pick up whatever they can to prevent running an empty truck. A couple of days ago, they got a request to pick up toilet paper from the manufacturer. He said that the trucks were stacked 16 deep waiting to be loaded. So apparently the TP shortage isn't a question of supply, just a matter of distribution. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on March 18, 2020, 12:39:02 PM
that stuff is going to crust where it becomes mighty uncomfortable before those trucks rescue most people who didn't horde... 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 18, 2020, 01:21:47 PM
So long as the supply chain stays up. we should be OK I think.  If somehow that gets disrupted, we're on our own.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on March 18, 2020, 01:41:59 PM
we're going to be fine... this entire thing is going to develop how it develops- some things predictable as a result, some not- and when it has run its course we'll simply entwine it into every day life and times.  

some folks are going to get sick.  some of those folks are going to have to fight to live, but that is a small number.  because we're not capable of defending against this, and because it's 'brand new' to our systems a higher percentage of people who are exposed will get sick as compared to 'regular' flu... all said, though, our bodies will adjust for future outbreaks.  hiding from it simply flattens the curve, it doesn't protect YOU, it protects the 'system' to respond.  'when' you encounter it you're facing a nasty high percentage of it making you sick... 'how' sick is the question, and will differ from person to person.  unless there is a vaccine that is effective and released soon, like- very soon- you ARE going to encounter this thing.. 

if this virus is as 'slippery' as suggested, we're going to be dealing with it for a while.  my opinion, which has a negative value, is that it will fall far below the concern of real flu in the coming years as we develop natural resistance.  it's as if we're being assaulted by a vastly numerical force right now- and we are aware that fending this initial wave off is the key to winning the war.  fear of not having supplies being a panic reflex will abate as stores restock and folks realize the supply lines are healthy.  fear of the illness itself will abate as medical communities find a pace that is sustainable (which is what this is ALL about).  next time we encounter something like this (a 'novel' illness)?  We'll be better acclimated to respond without all the neck-bone-boogie. 

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on March 18, 2020, 02:09:02 PM
It's always about distribution.  I'm in the distribution business and say this all the time.   I've gotten so many messages from folks 'you're right MH'  .  

Incredible strain on pockets of our markets, so long as our people in the chain are healthy, we won't see a breakdown.

Getting interesting w banks for the first time thus far.  Businesses drawing down big time on lines of credit,  Banks suddenly have to produce cash.  They are well capitalized this time, but this is a wrinkle we haven't really seen in long time. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 20, 2020, 09:19:10 PM
watching/listening to: The Thrill Is Gone: A Tribute To B.B. King

https://relix.com/live/broadcast-20200320-the-thrill-is-gone-bb-king/ (https://relix.com/live/broadcast-20200320-the-thrill-is-gone-bb-king/)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 21, 2020, 08:35:13 AM
I hope in a week or so perhaps folks will realize the supply chain is working and they will stop hoarding silly stuff.  The wife was at Kroger yesterday for the neighbor and said she got the last half pound of ground beef of any sort.  There was plenty of chicken this time.  

We'll be fine if power and water stay on.  
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 21, 2020, 09:00:00 AM
and the internet
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 21, 2020, 09:39:42 AM
In other news, my piano skills are very slowly returning a bit.  My left hand especially is very weak but improving.  My brain of course does not recognize complicated chords quickly at all.  It's going to take time, duh.

It is interesting to try and recover some of my proficiency from age 25.  I listen to music played by the pros and just marvel at it.  I think they practiced a lot.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 21, 2020, 10:09:27 AM
I pulled out the keyboard and guitar this past week. Arthritis and playing doesn't match, but I'm hoping to maybe break through and give the fingers some exercise. Might help the arthritis. Of course, Florida weather would help too. It's 30 degrees here today.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 21, 2020, 10:19:59 AM
What about Keytar?  You got one of those???
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 21, 2020, 10:21:40 AM
Never interested me. I did play an accordion for a while when I was younger.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 21, 2020, 10:31:24 AM
I'm much better at listening to music than making it.

I can whistle a bit, but no one wants to hear me sing
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 21, 2020, 11:47:20 AM
I quit piano lessons when I was 12.  My Mom was against it, but I had quit practicing or making any effort at all in my lessons.  My teacher had two Steinways back to back and if you didn't play it right he'd play along with you, and I'd just quit playing.  I wanted to play basketball and baseball.  I discovered a year or so later that playing strengthened my hands and fingers and they didn't get bent back as often by the basketball, and I got pretty good at catching bad passes.  So, I kept playing, and in college it was a respite, a way to clear my head, and in grad school I no longer had access to I bought one which I sold in Cincy rather than moving it.  I had quit playing when the kids came along, actually after I got married as the wife would complain about it (and a lot else).

The current wife encourages me even though I'm pretty bad.  I am about able to play a few items reasonably well now.  I looked at some of the more complex pieces and laughed.

It does give one an appreciation for how good the pros are.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 21, 2020, 12:23:39 PM
I wish I'd let my parents force me into piano lessons when I was a kid.  They wanted me to, but I flat-out refused.

Instead I wasted countless hours practicing and playing the French horn from 6th-12th grade.  I now dream of spending all that time playing piano, or guitar, or almost any other instrument.  

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 21, 2020, 12:24:56 PM
82 ncaa men’s championship on cbs. Ewing, worthy and Jordan, Perkins
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 21, 2020, 12:30:01 PM
I wish I'd let my parents force me into piano lessons when I was a kid.  They wanted me to, but I flat-out refused.

Instead I wasted countless hours practicing and playing the French horn from 6th-12th grade.  I now dream of spending all that time playing piano, or guitar, or almost any other instrument. 


Was your horn a long horn?
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 21, 2020, 12:38:49 PM
You better believe it.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 21, 2020, 12:43:32 PM
Was your horn a long horn?
Kazoo
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 22, 2020, 08:21:41 AM
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a31226611/gm-ultium-electric-vehicle-battery-revealed/?utm_source=facebook&src=socialflowFBCAD&utm_campaign=socialflowFBCD&utm_medium=social-media&fbclid=IwAR1ozsQc3Vy6TX35DQQDQxuoUMbSpSsTB334QaQlFMwJxWwMghduKZUr8u8 (https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a31226611/gm-ultium-electric-vehicle-battery-revealed/?utm_source=facebook&src=socialflowFBCAD&utm_campaign=socialflowFBCD&utm_medium=social-media&fbclid=IwAR1ozsQc3Vy6TX35DQQDQxuoUMbSpSsTB334QaQlFMwJxWwMghduKZUr8u8)

Back on the EV topic, this is interesting, I think, GM touting some really big batteries for heavier vehicles.

GM seems very gung ho about EVs.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 22, 2020, 10:23:31 AM
I need an EV with a range of 500 miles-- whilst towing up to 9,000 lbs.  When they bring that one out, I'll be interested.

I'm really not sure why there aren't any hybrid options in that space, it seems to be an obviously well suited use case.  I can only assume that particular market segment is just too small for manufacturers to be interested.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 22, 2020, 10:29:45 AM
I'd rather have a 1,000 mile range for trips to and from Texas

sitting at a charging station in Oklahoma or Kansas would really add to the time.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 22, 2020, 10:32:37 AM
A plug in hybrid larger truck with a small turbo-Diesel and powerful electric motors and perhaps a 30 mile range on EV would be neat I think.  The Diesel would probably weigh less than equivalent batteries and refueling would be normal.  Around town trips would be largely on battery alone.

Towing should be fine with the EV torque.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 22, 2020, 10:43:18 AM
I'd rather have a 1,000 mile range for trips to and from Texas

sitting at a charging station in Oklahoma or Kansas would really add to the time.
Most of my towing is around 500 per day, so I'd be willing to accept that as a minimum limit.  But the size of battery bank it would take to be able to tow 9,000lbs deadweight behind the vehicle, is always going to be prohibitive.

That's why I'd be open to look to a hybrid, but nothing out there.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 22, 2020, 10:44:47 AM
A plug in hybrid larger truck with a small turbo-Diesel and powerful electric motors and perhaps a 30 mile range on EV would be neat I think.  The Diesel would probably weigh less than equivalent batteries and refueling would be normal.  Around town trips would be largely on battery alone.

Towing should be fine with the EV torque.
Yup, the torque from EV is perfect for towing.  The limitation on capacity and range is not.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on March 22, 2020, 11:08:57 AM
I wish I'd let my parents force me into piano lessons when I was a kid.  They wanted me to, but I flat-out refused.

Instead I wasted countless hours practicing and playing the French horn from 6th-12th grade.  I now dream of spending all that time playing piano, or guitar, or almost any other instrument. 


Did you like the French horn? Or was it pulling teeth either way?

I always wonder about music because I have zero aptitude for it and came from a family that was the same. They figured I'd be a pain in the ass if they tried to force it (happened to my dad, who I think butchered the violin something fierce) and if it made no one happy, the energy could be spent elsewhere. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 22, 2020, 11:33:49 AM
A plug in hybrid larger truck with a small turbo-Diesel and powerful electric motors and perhaps a 30 mile range on EV would be neat I think.  The Diesel would probably weigh less than equivalent batteries and refueling would be normal.  Around town trips would be largely on battery alone.

Towing should be fine with the EV torque.
Imagine offloading the diesel and leaving it in the garage for short trips under 30 miles
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 22, 2020, 11:40:08 AM
A smallish Diesel wouldn't weigh all that much, but that's an interesting concept.  I'm think of perhaps a 2 L Diesel.  GM has a 3 L Diesel as the only motivator in their trucks and SUVs.  A Diesel could be designed to operate at a single optimum RPM for turning the generator, something like 2400 RPM.  It would need no fancy valve train to go faster than that.  It probably could keep the truck at highway speed once achieved without a tow.  

I like the general notion.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 22, 2020, 11:46:21 AM
Did you like the French horn? Or was it pulling teeth either way?

I always wonder about music because I have zero aptitude for it and came from a family that was the same. They figured I'd be a pain in the ass if they tried to force it (happened to my dad, who I think butchered the violin something fierce) and if it made no one happy, the energy could be spent elsewhere.
I liked band and orchestra.  And I chose the French horn, at the time, in 5th grade.  So it wasn't exactly like pulling teeth.  I love music, I have a good voice and spent time in choir as well, and I love being able to read music.  So overall I'm "good" at music and enjoy all aspects of it.

But the French horn is the most difficult of all the keyed brass instruments to play, primarily because it has the smallest mouthpiece.  And I have relatively big lips so it was even more difficult for me to play.

The problem is, every kid wants to play trumpet or trombone or saxophone.  Very very few want to play French horn.  So elementary and middle school band directors, devious little shits that they were, steer unsuspecting kids to the French horn, to make their numbers.  I got roped into that, and my parents didn't know any better to prevent it from happening.  I mean, I already owned a trumpet that was given to me by a neighbor, and I wanted to play trumpet, and the band director convinced me I was a "natural" at French horn, despite the fact that my physical attributes made me decidedly NOT a natural.

So years later, I regret spending a MASSIVE amount of time on an instrument that's difficult to play at all, and even more difficult to make it sound good.  Don't get me wrong, when played well, the French horn is a beautiful instrument, and it's vital to the sound of every symphony orchestra.  But to be able to play at that level takes not only a ton of time and dedication, but simply, the physical makeup to be able to do so.  I didn't have it and never was going to.  
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 22, 2020, 11:51:02 AM
My son was "roped" into playing viola for the same basic reason.  
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 22, 2020, 11:52:45 AM
I played the trumpet for a few weeks or a few months

my father was not impressed - not because I had no talent - he probably didn't think there was much of a future in it
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 22, 2020, 11:58:04 AM
I wished I'd played trumpet.  I tried to pick it up later in life and was okay at it, but no longer had the time (and energy) I had from ages 11-18.  If I'd spent all those countless hours on some other instrument, I'd have a lot more to show for it.  

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 22, 2020, 12:15:39 PM
Our HS had 2-3 really good players, usually violin, in the orchestra each year.  They would be going to college in music to places like Julliard etc.  I imagine they ended up teaching, the atmosphere is so incredibly rarified when it comes to playing in a major symphony orchestra, and the performers often have 50 year careers.

It's probably more elite than playing professional sports at the top level.  
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MichiFan87 on March 22, 2020, 12:25:12 PM
I wished I'd played trumpet.  I tried to pick it up later in life and was okay at it, but no longer had the time (and energy) I had from ages 11-18.  If I'd spent all those countless hours on some other instrument, I'd have a lot more to show for it. 


You could've tried baritone or tuba, instead....
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 22, 2020, 12:26:41 PM
I really enjoy playing the drums. When we move to Florida I will get a kit. Living in a townhome for 11 years and now this condo.. well, not conducive to playing drums.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 22, 2020, 12:29:12 PM
the place in Florida will be good for that?
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 22, 2020, 12:40:53 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDEem_aEttE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDEem_aEttE)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 22, 2020, 12:57:33 PM
You could've tried baritone or tuba, instead....

Ha!

I did play baritone/euphonium in my final years in band, along with French horn.  It's easy to play, but also not that much fun.  Tuba is even easier, but even less fun.

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 22, 2020, 01:02:46 PM
the place in Florida will be good for that?

Yeah. It's a SF home.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 22, 2020, 01:29:59 PM
Last night I grilled up a ribeye cap steak to split with my wife, and she roasted some asparagus and some sweet potatoes (w/onion/garlic). Had a nice bottle of Rattlesnake Zinfandel from Mount Peak winery, which I highly recommend.

I've started going the opposite way with steaks compared to how I used to cook them. I used to always do the "reverse sear", cooking them low & slow until they were almost done, then popping them over a ripping hot grill to sear. I've been going the opposite way lately if I'm only cooking one or two. I've been searing on the grill until the color is perfect, then popping them in the oven to reach temp. 

I think we pretty well nailed that meal, but my wife wouldn't let me take a picture... "Don't brag during coronavirus." :67:
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 22, 2020, 01:38:07 PM
I tried reverse sear once and didn't do it right apparently.  The wife likes her steak "blu rare", which I can't do with that method.  I often get hers to where I'm worried it is too raw and she says it's perfect.  Anything that is my notion of rare is over done for her.  These flatiron steaks work for us because parts are thin for me and parts are thick for her.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 22, 2020, 02:21:10 PM
I prefer grilling steaks on a high heat grill for a great sear.  400plus degrees for a couple minutes per side.

my grill wasn't heating up to 400+ quick enough last night and 6 old guys were hungry and impatient so I started the steaks on lower heat than usual - 250-300

my steak was perfect rare - med rare, but I'm afraid a couple of the steaks were more medium.

No complaints and many compliments from the fellas, but it still bothers me.

The rib eyes were beautiful.  labeled choice, but very close to prime if they weren't prime

should have taken pics
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 22, 2020, 03:14:47 PM
The wife does not like ribeye, maybe in part because I have gotten them at Kroger.  The meat cuts here are different than in France, so she doesn't know the differences at all.  She does know flatiron because that is our go to.

This Chateaubriand thing is something she'd never heard of before and laughed at the term.  I like the bone in pork chops a lot.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 22, 2020, 04:19:33 PM
I don't like ribeye either, too fatty.  Grilling doesn't render fat like slow-smoking does so the really marbled cuts are not to my liking for grilling.

Strip or filet are my steaks of choice.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 22, 2020, 04:31:19 PM
yup, I understand why prime rib is popular

I prefer strips, T-bones, Porterhouse

but once in a while a rib eye is OK

the 6 I grilled last night were hard to beat
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 22, 2020, 04:35:04 PM
The best I ever had was a bone in ribeye at Eddie Merlot's.  They called it a tomahawk ribeye as they left the bone really long.  They age their own beef and have those ultrahot ovens.  The wife likes filet mignon, which of course is not what they call it in France.  Entree is not the entree and menu doesn't really mean menu often as not.

Weird country.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 22, 2020, 04:44:16 PM
Menu Big Mac avec biere, s'il vous plaît
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 22, 2020, 04:56:38 PM
Yeah, that really threw me at first, even after the wife tried to explain.

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 22, 2020, 04:59:01 PM
The best I ever had was a bone in ribeye at Eddie Merlot's.  They called it a tomahawk ribeye as they left the bone really long.  They age their own beef and have those ultrahot ovens.  The wife likes filet mignon, which of course is not what they call it in France.  Entree is not the entree and menu doesn't really mean menu often as not.

Weird country.
I really enjoy the dry aged steaks and steaks with the bone-in are preferred as well
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 22, 2020, 05:25:36 PM
Yeah, that really threw me at first, even after the wife tried to explain.


After ordering the big mac meal with a beer as the drink, in the drive thru, a few times, the novelty wore off.

That's when I realized I could order a happy meal, with a beer as the drink, in the drive thru.  In fact I could order two.

For a country with such strict drinking/driving laws, it floored me that they'd allow me to order drive-thru beer, with a Happy Meal of all things.

Good times. :)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 22, 2020, 06:22:29 PM
For a country with such strict drinking/driving laws, it floored me that they'd allow me to order drive-thru beer, with a Happy Meal of all things.

Good times. :)
That wouldn't have lasted long around here but I'd still be pissed if they spilled it in my lap
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 22, 2020, 06:26:40 PM
I tried reverse sear once and didn't do it right apparently. 
I love medium steaks and this nails it,takes longer but worth it
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: CWSooner on March 22, 2020, 09:19:45 PM
My son was "roped" into playing viola for the same basic reason.
I heard a viola concerto on Public classical radio a week or two ago.
And my friend in hospice has a nephew who majored at oSu in performance music playing the viola.
But I know what you mean.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 23, 2020, 06:20:04 AM
I might go to Kroger today and see what steaks they have out early.  The wife went to Trader Joe's yesterday and said they had stuff but clearly were strained.  She went while I was showering or I would have asked her to reconsider.

We're buying a little at a time now, just topping off.  I can walk to the above or Whole Foods fairly easily as needed.  Kroger is a bit more of a hike.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 23, 2020, 11:06:12 AM
I tried reverse sear once and didn't do it right apparently.  The wife likes her steak "blu rare", which I can't do with that method.  I often get hers to where I'm worried it is too raw and she says it's perfect.  Anything that is my notion of rare is over done for her.  These flatiron steaks work for us because parts are thin for me and parts are thick for her.
Yeah, the whole goal of reverse sear is to get where most of us consider med rare without either overcooking the outside or leaving the inside cool and raw, which is the opposite of "blu rare". I can't imagine any way to get to blue rare with this method. But blue rare might very well be the easiest way to cook a steak--sear the outside on high heat until it's the right color, and then serve. 

Flatiron is a really great cut. Nice marbling and flavor, very tender, and without the hefty price tag of the more well-known cuts. 

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 23, 2020, 11:13:26 AM
I don't like ribeye either, too fatty.  Grilling doesn't render fat like slow-smoking does so the really marbled cuts are not to my liking for grilling.

Strip or filet are my steaks of choice.
I'm the opposite. I like the marbled cuts because of the fat content. Although I'll grant that ribeye can have some big chunks of fat between the meat, which a lot of people don't like. Even in prime rib, those big chunks of fat don't really render [i.e. liquefy]; they just get soft. 

But I figure those who don't like the fat can eat around it pretty easily, but the marbling goes a long way to give flavor and moisture in the portions of meat that you're eating. And people like me eat the fat too. 

I find filet to be a bit light on flavor for my taste. Strip has some flavor, but I don't prefer the texture of strip over ribeye. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 23, 2020, 11:40:21 AM
yup, I like the strip cause it's got better flavor than the fillet and not as fatty as the rib eye.

you can find strips with great marbling

my 2nd choice is the sirloin - great flavor - usually not as well marbled, but a big bold beef taste
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 23, 2020, 12:05:42 PM

my 2nd choice is the sirloin - great flavor - usually not as well marbled, but a big bold beef taste
Yeah, sirloin is harder to appropriately cook and maintain tenderness, because it's not a naturally tender meat. But the flavor is great. 

My love of tri tip is well known, and that's a portion of the bottom sirloin. It's got great flavor, and properly prepared/sliced, is tender.

It's a cut that's easy to cook badly, but quite honestly not very hard to cook well, if that makes sense...
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 23, 2020, 12:12:57 PM
When I was young, ground sirloin was really tasty, and actually from sirloin, instead of ground beef with less fat.

The tastier cuts often are tougher.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 23, 2020, 12:16:39 PM
I'm the opposite. I like the marbled cuts because of the fat content. Although I'll grant that ribeye can have some big chunks of fat between the meat, which a lot of people don't like. Even in prime rib, those big chunks of fat don't really render [i.e. liquefy]; they just get soft.

But I figure those who don't like the fat can eat around it pretty easily, but the marbling goes a long way to give flavor and moisture in the portions of meat that you're eating. And people like me eat the fat too.

I find filet to be a bit light on flavor for my taste. Strip has some flavor, but I don't prefer the texture of strip over ribeye.

I don't like prime rib/standing rib roast either, for the same reason.  I hate chunks of fat.

Even BBQing a brisket, I prefer the lean flat, over the fatty point, again for the same reasons.  Even though the fat is rendered in a smoked brisket, it's still there, and I still don't like it.  I'm definitely in the minority on that, though, as fatty brisket actually sells for a premium over lean in this state.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 23, 2020, 12:26:56 PM
But I figure those who don't like the fat can eat around it pretty easily, but the marbling goes a long way to give flavor and moisture in the portions of meat that you're eating. And people like me eat the fat too.
I agree about ribeyes maybe a little burnt fat but that's it - hard to work off at my age.Prolly rub down the strips with it if you're doing any at the same time
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 23, 2020, 12:27:31 PM
That Fox Bros place does some great brisket, but they are from Texas.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 23, 2020, 01:10:43 PM
That Fox Bros place does some great brisket, but they are from Texas.
But of course.


I had great brisket at a BBQ place in the Bay Area once upon a time many years ago.  It was, of course, owned and operated by Texans.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 23, 2020, 01:51:37 PM
the best BBQ in my area is a place called Aggies.

yup, Texas aggies - transplanted

utee's favorites
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 23, 2020, 02:09:28 PM
Ags are pretty predictable.  If they went to TAMU, they are 100% guaranteed to insist you find out about it within the first 20 seconds of conversation, no matter where you encounter them in this wide wide world.  

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on March 23, 2020, 02:42:26 PM
No graduate of a school wears their class ring at a higher rate than an Aggie.   They will also demonstrate how the ring is a bottle opener.  Which is helpful.  

I dont even have a class ring.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 23, 2020, 02:48:09 PM
A college class ring?  Huh.  I had a HS class ring on back, it was a thing.  The thought of having a college ring even from the highly esteemed institution from which I gradeated is remote.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 23, 2020, 02:52:56 PM
yup, all the Aggie spirit crap was probably overflowing the house, so they opened a BBQ place to they had a better place to display it prominently to the public

http://www.aggiesbbq.com/venue.php (http://www.aggiesbbq.com/venue.php)

(https://www.cfb51.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aggiesbbq.com%2Fimages%2Fthevenue.jpg&hash=d74f0273ba7fb2284f7ba12111bde070)

(https://www.cfb51.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aggiesbbq.com%2Fimages%2Fvenue%2Fbar2.jpg&hash=a412bc566c1c1b34c9a0983c63d81801)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 23, 2020, 02:54:37 PM
didn't have HS class ring, parents didn't have the $$$ for it.

Neither did I, I had been told by parents that I was going to a 4 years school and I was paying for it.

I was in saving mode
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 23, 2020, 03:02:01 PM
My grandfather was so proud of each college graduate in his family that he insisted on buying us class rings.  Who am I to say no? :)

I still wear mine every now and then, but I actually don't like the feeling of jewelry on my person, in general.  Even my wedding ring comes off at night, I can't stand the feel of it on my finger when I'm trying to sleep
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 23, 2020, 03:03:35 PM
Canadian engineers tend to wear their rings very proudly:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Ring (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Ring)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 23, 2020, 03:08:32 PM
We have these rings:

(https://i.imgur.com/S1XBxnT.jpg)

I don't like rungs either, but this is amazingly comfortable, easy to get one and off, and purty.  The rings roll over each other if you have them in the right orientation.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 23, 2020, 03:13:07 PM
Canadian engineers tend to wear their rings very proudly:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Ring (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Ring)
Euro countries have a great respect for engineers, too.  When I was working in France, Germany, and Italy, they called me "Doctor".  To them, an engineering degree held the same esteem as a medical doctor.  It was weird, but you know, I rolled with it. :)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 23, 2020, 03:29:14 PM
Euro countries have a great respect for engineers, too.  When I was working in France, Germany, and Italy, they called me "Doctor".  To them, an engineering degree held the same esteem as a medical doctor.  It was weird, but you know, I rolled with it. :)
Funny, around here they just call us "Hey nerd." :57:

Although I do think that as the world has become more intensely technological, people are starting to understand that nerds make the world work. It's our era. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 23, 2020, 04:03:12 PM
Nerddom?

That's where I'm a Viking!
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 23, 2020, 04:15:10 PM
I wore my wedding ring religiously until the divorce papers were signed

don't think I've worn any type of jewelry since

I wore a wrist watch back in the daze before cell phones

not a fan of jewelry

but, if others like it, that's ok
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 23, 2020, 04:31:05 PM
I wore my wedding ring religiously until the divorce papers were signed
My first wedding ring is at the bottom of Newport Harbor. 

I might have tried to hock it, but I figure it's bad luck anyway. 

I likewise don't enjoy jewelry. I do wear my wedding ring, though. My wife doesn't trust men who don't wear their wedding ring, and I have to say that I wouldn't either. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on March 23, 2020, 05:42:21 PM
My grandfather's UC-Berkeley class ring was a part of him. Impossible for me to imagine him without it. Long after his death, it occurred to me that part of that may have been a reaction to the West Pointers he served with throughout his career who wore their rings all the time. Maybe--maybe not. Anyway, I bought a UW class ring probably in large part due to my admiration for my grandfather. I wear it off and on--used to wear it a lot more. I worry that it is pretentious (it is), but I still like it--and still like thinking of my grandfather.

My wedding ring only comes off when required (or when I'm fiddling with it). I can understand people who take them off to sleep, and some jobs and hobbies require that you remove jewelry, and some people have allergic reactions to the metal, but in general I agree with the line of thinking that a married person should wear their wedding ring. I guess I'm old fashioned that way.

Curiously, my grandfather didn't wear a wedding ring--just his class ring on the left hand where one would expect a wedding ring. I always thought that was weird.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on March 23, 2020, 05:53:26 PM
I have a titanium ring because it is super light, but which means I'm F'd if I get my hand stuck with it.  I take it off all the time.   I loathe jewelry,  but do wear it when out in public, for the most part.  It comes off the moment I get home. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 23, 2020, 05:56:42 PM
My first wedding ring is at the bottom of Newport Harbor.

I might have tried to hock it, but I figure it's bad luck anyway.

I likewise don't enjoy jewelry. I do wear my wedding ring, though. My wife doesn't trust men who don't wear their wedding ring, and I have to say that I wouldn't either.

not sure where mine is today

I took it off while driving and put it in the ash tray of my 2002 GMC 2500HD truck.  Never smoked in the truck, ash tray was clean.

Traded the truck on a 2007 Impala SS, don't know if I took the ring out or not.  Wasn't important to me any longer.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 23, 2020, 06:09:37 PM
I have no idea where my first wedding ring is. I do know where my UW ring is, and I know where my current wedding ring is.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 23, 2020, 06:09:44 PM
I have a titanium ring because it is super light, but which means I'm F'd if I get my hand stuck with it.  I take it off all the time.  I loathe jewelry,  but do wear it when out in public, for the most part.  It comes off the moment I get home.
My wife was going to buy me a platinum ring. I don't give a #&$@. I had her buy me cobalt chromium at about 10% the price. 

Not like anyone can tell the difference, and not like anyone cares what kind of ring a dude has anyway.

I wear a silicone ring when I'm hiking, brewing, or doing anything else where a ring would interfere. You may want to look for something like that when you're doing something that could potentially get it stuck on your finger...
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 23, 2020, 06:19:18 PM
I was divorced once and to my great surprise remarried a few years back (not to the first wife of course).

How many here have a divorce or three?  I'm probably a bit unusual (in general) in that I was the domicile parent.  My ex for whatever reason was not interested in child rearing, at all.  It would have been nice had I realized that up front, but I did get three great kids (who have zero interaction with her).
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 23, 2020, 07:04:34 PM
Only one divorce, I to was the domicile parent

I have two great daughters.  They have limited interaction with their mother - more than they would like if you believe what they say.

I have little to no interaction with her, which I appreciate
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 23, 2020, 07:35:57 PM
I was divorced once and to my great surprise remarried a few years back (not to the first wife of course).

How many here have a divorce or three?  I'm probably a bit unusual (in general) in that I was the domicile parent.  My ex for whatever reason was not interested in child rearing, at all.  It would have been nice had I realized that up front, but I did get three great kids (who have zero interaction with her).
Just the one divorce for me, and second marriage... Planning to keep both numbers the same :93:

Sadly the kids are still minors and there's joint custody, so I have far too much interaction with their mom.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 23, 2020, 07:40:58 PM
One divorce. One very happy marriage.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on March 23, 2020, 08:31:03 PM
I once wore a tungsten ring and it saved my hand... I had a truck's front end on a Jack and was moving Jack stands under it... I reached up between stand and axle to move an ABS harness wire when the hydraulic Jack blew the cylinder... the axle fell the maybe three inches to the stand and my finger was trapped between the two in the cradle....

I took a picture of it... I should look for that pic.  I laid on that crawler staring at it after taking the picture and then DUH realized if it shifted the jack stand may shoot out from under it... I got out quick!!!

I wear a ring made of a silver dollar now.  I'll find a link... they're pretty cool.  The writing and design are still visible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhN8IhATB2Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhN8IhATB2Q)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 23, 2020, 08:42:39 PM
My wedding ring is titanium.  Cost us maybe $80 twenty years ago.  My i s c & a aggie wife wanted to get me a much more expensive one made of gold and platinum but I'm not a very flashy guy.  This one suits me much better.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 23, 2020, 08:51:01 PM
I wear a ring made of a silver dollar now.  I'll find a link... they're pretty cool.  The writing and design are still visible.

if I wore rings I'd have one of those - I like it
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on March 23, 2020, 09:25:59 PM
Yeah, titanium ring in 2006 was $110.  Bought solely because it was light and easily removable.   Just cant get finger stuck anywhere. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on March 23, 2020, 09:35:10 PM
Never been hitched and always found the class ring thing odd. 

Granted, in my life, 80 percent of the people I knew who had them were just odd ducks to begin with. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: GopherRock on March 23, 2020, 09:35:41 PM
My wedding ring comes off when I go out on the grade. Construction sites and wedding rings don't mix.

Speaking of rings, isn't the whole Engineer's Ring thing based on the rings cast from the wreckage of the first Quebec Bridge? I know the U of Minnesota does something similar with a statue cast from a piece of the 35W bridge wreckage.

http://www.cege.umn.edu/news-events/in-the-news/Spring2014_CEGEmag_online/Order_of_the_Engineer.html (http://www.cege.umn.edu/news-events/in-the-news/Spring2014_CEGEmag_online/Order_of_the_Engineer.html)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 23, 2020, 10:31:16 PM
No marriages, no divorces, no rings, no jewelry.  No pets, no family within 1800 miles.  I have plenty of peace and quiet.  Plenty of time to wonder.  I'm messy or tidy when I want and for as long as I want.  And I'm very happy.
.
I'm around kids and women all day at work.  It's nice not to have any when I get home.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on March 23, 2020, 11:24:14 PM
It's been interesting getting my kids going on their new e-learning lessons while we all  are at home.   I kill off any meetings in the early am, so I cant get my 2nd grader focused and on task.  I'm helping her learn fractions.  The 5th grader is like her Mom, up early, at the lesson by 7:15, they are reccomended to start at 9, and off on her own.  

I have to admit, the school has put forth a legitimate lesson plan, a pretty full plate of tasks. I'm impressed.  The 2nd grader is missing out on the social aspects of school I can tell.  That explains the 8way face timing in the afternoons. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 23, 2020, 11:40:31 PM
We were told nothing until Saturday, and were given today to set up and prepare for 2 hours of lessons for tomorrow.  
Once they realized that was absurd, they were understanding that this week will be a transition week.  I spent 30 min on the phone with a parent, just trying to get them to log in with their kid's gmail account.  
.
I want to do a great job and provide too much content rather than not enough, but what I'm fearful of is doing all this work for 1/3 of my class that will actually DO anything.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Kris60 on March 24, 2020, 12:02:40 AM
I like watches. I particularly like big Invicta watches. I wear them and my wedding ring to work, Church, out, etc.  But as soon as I hit the door they come off. Don’t wear them around the house at all, or when I work out, or do yard work.

When I’m at home it is strictly basketball shorts and a tee shirt. I haven’t worn any type of pants that didn’t have an elastic waistband for over a week now. Even grocery store runs  are in sweats or shorts.  Haven’t shaved in that time either.

But I’m going stir crazy. This stay at home with the kids and do schoolwork thing is weighing on me.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on March 24, 2020, 12:06:11 AM
I empathize with you OAM.  This is a helluva an undertaking.  It's great our district had much of the infrastructure in place, heavily leveraging Canvas, they are even using Zoom tomorrow.  The lessons have been on point, creative in spots, engaging.   A classic CLE tactic for verifying child attendance and the teachers score assignments and stay engaged.  

I'm not naive though,  this is a solid performing affluent district with very engaged parents.  There was going to be a high bar set of expectations.  I'll be interested how this unit math test is administered this week.  Going to be a long April .
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on March 24, 2020, 08:55:09 AM
We were told nothing until Saturday, and were given today to set up and prepare for 2 hours of lessons for tomorrow. 
Once they realized that was absurd, they were understanding that this week will be a transition week.  I spent 30 min on the phone with a parent, just trying to get them to log in with their kid's gmail account. 
.
I want to do a great job and provide too much content rather than not enough, but what I'm fearful of is doing all this work for 1/3 of my class that will actually DO anything.
my kid is using something called seesaw and flipboard and some other applications... the district here provided them with iPads.... i got one for her instead of using my own after looking at the required permissions those apps want..... there is landmark case concerning these things in people's homes that is unsettling, but that is for another thread.... 

i offered to make them a forum.... there is actually classroom software out there for this same engine that allows classes to be 'attended' and of course lessons can be presented as well as testing- all nice and secure... but it appears they are married to the mentioned applications/platforms, and pay a hefty sum for them. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on March 24, 2020, 09:02:21 AM
speaking of x's and jewelry... 

i worked early Saturday morning's for years.... i came home one Saturday by lunch, as usual, and just to witness some guy walking back to his truck with ALL my dive gear... the X decided to join her friends 'yard sale' and was hoofing stuff from the house out to the tables........ mostly 'my' stuff... i was livid. 

the only thing that remained of my items was a Tag watch, valued somewhere in the $3k range, which she was trying to get $50 for... she knew good and damn well it's value.  The Breitling Aviator and the Rolex Submariner were gone.... our course had already ran at this point, and it was one of the final tipping points.  I bought those things when i was contracting overseas.  they were keepsakes as much as anything, but anyone who has 'been there' knows that a good watch is hellacious negotiating tools pretty much no matter where you are in the world... "i need a truck... here is a watch"- boom, i drive away. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 24, 2020, 09:13:42 AM
Is that when she became your Ex?

Like, that DAY?
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 24, 2020, 09:21:47 AM
Ouch.  My ex didn't even retain a lawyer.  She knew if anything I was honest, and she had a specific figure in mind.  My lawyer kept trying to work the numbers in my favor until I explained it to her.  I wanted to retain the house so the kids had stability and it took just about every cent I had to pay her for her part and the rest of it, but I knew in a year or so I would have recovered.  That was a rough time, but my main focus was on keeping the kids.  Had they been with her, well, I can't imagine how bad it would have been.  On her weekends, they told me later, she'd go by Blockbuster and take out 10 tapes for them to watch and then disappear.

When they got older they'd often call me on Saturday afternoon and ask if I could come get them, they were bored, and often they had soccer or whatever anyway on Saturdays.  The boy was with my flying and supposed to be back at her house one Saturday at 6 PM when the engine quit on us.  It took a while of course to deal with various and sundry to get him back to her house, and she was mad because it was some special dinner she was hosting.  They were like props to her, not people.

The good news is that Wife #2 is about her exact opposite.  I'm very thankful for that, and my kids love her also.  Life lessons.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 24, 2020, 09:54:07 AM
I had joint custody, but paid the ex a bunch of money so that the kids didn't have to stay with her much.

I either paid or she'd have the Sheriff come pick up the kids

it was great
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Riffraft on March 24, 2020, 09:56:46 AM
I was married for 25 years and had 10 kids when my ex decided she would rather sleep with other men then be married.  The minor kids lived with me until I moved to Arizona, I then gave them the choice to move with me or stay with their mother. Some stayed, some moved. Only one is a minor now and lives with his mother. I am living for the day he turns 18 (1 year) so i no longer have to deal with the ex. 

My wedding ring (gold) ended up going to my church's youth group's jewelry fund raiser. They collected old jewelry that people didn't want and sold it to jewelers, for scrap, etc. to raise money. 

Married to current wife for 3 years (cobalt ring) and couldn't be happier. 

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on March 24, 2020, 10:06:59 AM
Is that when she became your Ex?

Like, that DAY?
somewhere in the next month i called it- i finally realized what she was doing.... she didn't want to be the 'bad guy' in the face of her friends and family... so, i learned a lesson- "it's okay to be the bad guy when something so important is at stake".  

we had the house 'appraised' (by a realtor not a real appraiser but someone who was her 'friend' but was really trying to screw her)... she valued the house, in the middle of the boom, over $40k less than what a REAL appraiser (that i secured unbeknownst to her) had valued it... her 'friend' was looking for a quick sell and taking advantage of her... she told me later she (realtor) knew she was busted (by me) the second she said what she would list it for.... after paying off the note and some mutual debt, there would have been $30k left to 'split'... I offered her $25k to disappear, so long as she signed the separation agreement (which later becomes the divorce agreement as per NC law) and had it notarized within the week.  it took her greedy ass about 5 hours to sign it and we notarized both signatures together- her realtor 'friend' was the notary, which i thought was hilarious. 

i had one more run in with her later.... i made a comment to her about telling someone something, and she hung up on me and i've never heard from her since.... glory be to allah we didn't have kids.... just two dogs which i missed terribly for a spell. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 24, 2020, 10:07:45 AM
When I’m at home it is strictly basketball shorts and a tee shirt. I haven’t worn any type of pants that didn’t have an elastic waistband for over a week now. Even grocery store runs  are in sweats or shorts.  Haven’t shaved in that time either.

But I’m going stir crazy. This stay at home with the kids and do schoolwork thing is weighing on me.
As someone who was already attuned to working from home, having a routine to feel like a normal human being is important. 

Often I'll wake up and get on the computer first thing in the morning, basically doing the same thing (basketball shorts & workout tee shirt), largely because I can get work done before the rest of CA wakes up and because it keeps my out of my wife's way in the bathroom while she's getting ready for work.

But I always make sure that by mid-morning, I take a shower and put on "real" clothes. Even if by "real" it's cargo shorts and a normal tee shirt. Otherwise I get to 4 PM and feel like a deadbeat, even though I've spent all day working productively. 

Give it a try. Throw on a pair of jeans and a real shirt. Wear shoes. You might be surprised how much different it feels than wearing sweats all day. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: ELA on March 24, 2020, 10:17:04 AM
my kid is using something called seesaw and flipboard and some other applications... the district here provided them with iPads.... i got one for her instead of using my own after looking at the required permissions those apps want..... there is landmark case concerning these things in people's homes that is unsettling, but that is for another thread....
Our District uses Seesaw as well.  Every time anyone in his class does anything I get a notification and an email, back to back.  I'm getting more Seesaw notifications than I am work emails.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on March 24, 2020, 10:31:11 AM
fun stuff instead of old and bad memories: 

i made this for a friend to give to his wife... the board is maple (which was a log before Sunday), black walnut, and white ashe... used the CNC to pocket out the letter and filled it with resin... it bled a little which pisses me off, but... whatever.  i should have sealed it better i guess before flooding it.. 

(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/90675685_10158612607518755_8859773694851940352_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=UqrSOHKZ8mAAX8-WX0P&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=fd3ac513a866535233bba429678fdef9&oe=5EA043C5)

(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/90730616_10158612607713755_8836760495575793664_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=-eDzh3eiIYwAX-dpLu_&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=b19f15bc6e2e37b5fa92f79d901232be&oe=5E9F407B)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on March 24, 2020, 10:34:57 AM
here are some from the last week or so: 
(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s960x960/90701673_10158591681428755_6437151310839021568_o.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=iIL5iaidZn0AX-Wx31F&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&_nc_tp=7&oh=ff0f19aea683699112d73379ac976855&oe=5E9E3005)
ribbon cut sapele with white ashe... the inset letter is white ashe... i thought indexing the second part 90* would look cool... not so sure with final product. 

(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/90096201_10158591679113755_3950779191108042752_o.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=JyBk2svHoZQAX_vLFRJ&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=8956a4f050e38d69322f523217cbf28f&oe=5EA11295)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 24, 2020, 10:38:08 AM
Imagine this had happened circa 1980 or so.  Work from home was an impossibility.  We didn't have email yet.  Our section got one Apple 2E on a cart you could move around from office to office.  You stored your program on cassette tape, no floppy.  My first computer with a hard drive was an IBM something, it was AMAZING.  I used Symphony software, an enhanced version of Lotus 123.  Symphony had a comm capability I used to connect to instruments that had an RS232 port, and it had crude word processing.

Work from home?  Impossible.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 24, 2020, 11:10:21 AM
here are some from the last week or so
Drew do you make those end-block type cutting board/chopping blocks?I saw those a local farmers market last year they are pretty durable because the cutting is not going with the grain - supposedly
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 24, 2020, 11:18:01 AM
One quasi amusing story, the ex was paying me much reduced child support (I didn't need it).  She apparently changed her checking and didn't fix the automatic payments.  I mentioned to her I had not gotten the last couple of checks, just for information, and she exploded as usual at me for being greedy.  OK whatever.

A bit later, Child Services calls ME and tells me I am delinquent and when am I going to pay up.  I explain to the person I am not the person who is delinquent  That took a few minutes for them to believe me.  Anyway, they go away, and the ex calls me up in a few days irate as hell again that a Deputy Sheriff showed up at her house with an order for her to make the payments good.  That also was my fault.(Everything was someone else's fault of course.)

I guess she got it sorted out as I got the money in a week or so.  She was convinced I had somehow masterminded this plot against her.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 24, 2020, 11:22:36 AM
I guess she got it sorted out as I got the money in a week or so.  She was convinced I had somehow masterminded this plot against her.
Between this and the virus - you're good :-[
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on March 24, 2020, 11:56:11 AM
Drew do you make those end-block type cutting board/chopping blocks?I saw those a local farmers market last year they are pretty durable because the cutting is not going with the grain - supposedly
technically the difference between a cutting board and a chopping block is the orientation of the grain... when the surface of the board is end grain, it is a chopping block... when the grain runs vertical or horizontal it is a cutting board... 

i've made a few chopping blocks and let me tell you they are a pain, but... they last forever if properly cared for.  MOST of the cutting boards I make are when i have scraps enough of wood to make them... generally i don't collect a good piece of wood simply for that purpose, but sometimes i do just to contradict myself- it is a 'in between' job no matter because they are easy... a chopping block? not so easy.  and if i'm going to do one it's going to be substantial- like feet instead of inches WxL, and i've never made one not at least 4" thick... even my 'cutting boards' are thick, allowing them to be sanded down once scarred enough to warrant.   the maple one in the pic above is the thinnest cutting board i've ever made.  they 'should' last a lifetime, even after being sanded down after use... i don't see any point in making them if they wouldn't.  the insets on the second post (the sapele board) are a full 1/4" thick wit intent they will remain a long time. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 24, 2020, 12:10:17 PM
Thanx was going to say if you made end grains I might be interested if you were selling but I imagine they'd be pricey
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on March 24, 2020, 12:24:14 PM
Well put it this way.... I could sell a 4x6 foot chopping block for less than a quarter of what the market bears and still make a reasonable profit.... it could be anywhere from $600 to $1k, and comparable to some I've seen at $4~5k.  They are mighty proud of them.

The reason I dont sell them is I dont know what kind of condition they'll be in after use two, three years later... they're perfect when they leave my shop (if I'm charging), but I need more field data before I can start charging anyone, especially bearing the prices others charge.

But if you or anyone here wants one I'll happily make it for cost of material. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 24, 2020, 12:37:54 PM
@Drew4UTk (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1) I showed my wife some of your work and she might be interested in us getting one at some point for her mom & stepdad as a gift. I don't think she'd probably need to go all the way to chopping block territory, though. A cutting board would be sufficient. If it goes forward I'll let you know.

But just wanted to say that your work impresses more than just us on the board--my wife thought the boards were beautiful.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on March 24, 2020, 01:04:27 PM
Thank you ... I'm not near as good as a friend is, and yet another friend makes us both look like cave men shaping sticks... 

I'll  happily make one for you guys! 

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: NorthernOhioBuckeye on March 24, 2020, 01:07:22 PM
As someone who was already attuned to working from home, having a routine to feel like a normal human being is important.

Often I'll wake up and get on the computer first thing in the morning, basically doing the same thing (basketball shorts & workout tee shirt), largely because I can get work done before the rest of CA wakes up and because it keeps my out of my wife's way in the bathroom while she's getting ready for work.

But I always make sure that by mid-morning, I take a shower and put on "real" clothes. Even if by "real" it's cargo shorts and a normal tee shirt. Otherwise I get to 4 PM and feel like a deadbeat, even though I've spent all day working productively.

Give it a try. Throw on a pair of jeans and a real shirt. Wear shoes. You might be surprised how much different it feels than wearing sweats all day.
Wow. You just about described my work day, down to waiting to take a shower as to stay out of my wife's way. She gets up at about 5:30am and is out of the house by 6:20. By then, I am already working and usually knee deep in something. By the time I finish what I am doing, it is usually after 8:00 am or so. 

However, I pretty much stay in basketball shorts and a tee shirt all day. :)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 24, 2020, 01:25:06 PM
But if you or anyone here wants one I'll happily make it for cost of material. 
Would be intersted in an end grain board perhaps,I have an older board that is 20"L x 14" W x 3/4" or 13/16" T.I also have 2 slightly smaller boards that are bamboo but I rotate them so they can be oiled and sit
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on March 26, 2020, 02:18:41 PM
...80 percent of the people I knew who had them were just odd ducks to begin with.
I resemble this remark.
:-)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 26, 2020, 02:57:10 PM
Me too.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 27, 2020, 08:39:06 AM
FACT OF THE DAY:

In 1971, the Navy dispatched a team of dolphins “armed” with large carbon-dioxide-filled hypodermic needles strapped to their beaks to guard a U.S. Navy base in Vietnam. The dolphins were trained to deliver a fatal injection in humans’ lungs or stomachs. Provided by FactRetriever.com


just thought this was interesting.....
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 27, 2020, 08:59:56 AM
Were they trained to recognize a US diver from a commie diver?I could see that one going horribly wrong
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 27, 2020, 09:23:40 AM
Walter Sobchak: The man in the black pajamas, Dude. Worthy f***in' adversary.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: ELA on March 27, 2020, 11:21:58 AM
COVID related, but in a sports way, so I'll put it here.  Matt Norlander was discussing something that hadn't occurred to me, schools re-evaluating buy games, particularly with regard to basketball, where schedules aren't finalized yet.

With no tourney revenue, and facing potentially a huge dent to football revenue depending on what happens there, schools can't afford to pay these teams to come in and get beat.  More and more schools are looking at high major vs. high major home and homes, with some sort of up front revenue split.  While that makes for better games, it kills the mid and small major schools that rely on that.  He said he had talked to one low major coach who said in his contract he has to get $450,000 worth of buy games each year, or the difference comes out of his contract/budget.

It also seems more and more uncertain whether this does allow us to have an on time college football season.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MichiFan87 on March 27, 2020, 11:42:27 AM
Most D1 teams that play for guarantee games only play up to 3 of them per year. In fact, most of them schedule just as many guarantee games against non-D1 schools themselves.

It's really only the SWAC and MEAC schools that play any more of them than that, and it's no surprise that those are always the two worst leagues in the country and really should just move down to D2.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 27, 2020, 12:54:43 PM
Leach appeared on 710 ESPN Seattle:

“Missouri’s got a Tiger and Arkansas has a Razorback,” Leach said. “I’ve got to think those Tigers would like to eat one of those Razorbacks. Tigers are pretty formidable and can swim, climb and claw. LSU and Auburn are the Tigers too; so, now we’re up to three Tigers.


“Alabama’s the Elephants. I think they’re the Elephants. They’re one that splits direction,” Leach explained. “As impressive as an elephant is, they say it’s scared of a mouse so it has a weakness somewhere.

“You look at it carefully and melt it all down, and I think you pretty much have to go with the Mississippi State Bulldog. I think he would chase the bears around. Ole Miss is trying to figure out if they’re the Bears or the Rebels. They’re a team without a mascot right now,” Leach continued. “I think even in pictures, Mississippi State Bulldog is a better looking Bulldog than even Georgia’s is.”

You can listen to Leach’s interview below:


https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/mississippi-state-football/mike-leach-discusses-sec-mascots-in-the-only-we-he-can/?fbclid=IwAR3XeMNIlqPGJldHSo6Zi-PojFT4uVRFJXb71ZJd_AGiVhUU5uxffA97t1M (https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/mississippi-state-football/mike-leach-discusses-sec-mascots-in-the-only-we-he-can/?fbclid=IwAR3XeMNIlqPGJldHSo6Zi-PojFT4uVRFJXb71ZJd_AGiVhUU5uxffA97t1M)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 27, 2020, 01:09:57 PM
He's a national treasure.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 27, 2020, 01:38:21 PM
I wonder if that is why the AD went totally crazy with scheduling later this decade.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: ELA on March 27, 2020, 02:51:41 PM
Kirk Herbstreit

This is bad for football fans ... ESPN star Kirk Herbstreit says he'd be "shocked" if there was NFL or college football in 2020 -- explaining it's just too dangerous with the COVID-19 pandemic.

The "College Gameday" host went on ESPN radio late Thursday and spelled out why he's so pessimistic about seeing America's biggest sport on the biggest stages.

"I'll be shocked if we have NFL football this fall, if we have college football. I'll be so surprised if that happens," Kirk said.

"Just because from what I understand, people that I listen to, you're 12 to 18 months from a [coronavirus] vaccine. I don't know how you let these guys go into locker rooms and let stadiums be filled up and how you can play ball. I just don't know how you can do it with the optics of it."

Kirk said if he was the NFL commish or in charge of the NCAA, he would shut it down ASAP -- "Next thing you know you got a locker room full of guys that are sick. And that's on your watch? I wouldn't want to have that."

"As much as I hate to say it, I think we're scratching the surface of where this thing's gonna go."

Kirk also says he doesn't think people realize how much time college and NFL coaches need to properly prepare their teams for the long season.

"You don't all of the sudden come up with something in July or August and say, 'Okay we're good to go' and turn 'em loose!"
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 27, 2020, 03:08:37 PM
If we can't fill stadiums with fans I understand it

I'd like to see teams and support staff and cameras in the "empty" stadiums this fall
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 27, 2020, 03:10:13 PM
Kirk is now Dr. Bummer?
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 27, 2020, 03:16:26 PM
IF we could check everyone involved in the game, I think they could be played, with empty stadia.  
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 27, 2020, 03:24:04 PM
players coaches and medical staff couldn't always practice good social distancing, but everyone else could

perhaps sideline rosters could be limited to 70 players like travel rosters a few years ago?

Cheerleaders could practice social distancing
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 27, 2020, 03:42:42 PM
Don't need cheerleaders if there is nobody in the stadium to lead.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 27, 2020, 04:07:08 PM
I appreciate the TV camera shots of the cheerleaders before going to commercial

won't be much else to hit with the camera
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 27, 2020, 04:56:02 PM
I wonder if student, being invincible, would gather around the stadium in large crowds during the game.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 27, 2020, 07:03:12 PM
well, there would be tailgating if allowed

the bars would be full if open
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 27, 2020, 07:05:51 PM
Budweiser Nitro Reserve Gold

tried my first glass tonight - not bad

pairs remarkably well with Schmidt's German Beer Summer Sausage and Lay's Chile Limon chips
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 27, 2020, 08:06:11 PM
Grilling flat iron tonight with some carrot-tater puree the wife is doing.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 27, 2020, 09:04:03 PM
The Big Ten has extended its suspension of organized team activities through at least May 4.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on March 27, 2020, 11:29:09 PM
Did takeout at a favorite local place, a little higher end.  They were slammed w orders.   They've always done take out right.   Really nice sushi rolls and cioppino.   Very strange to see an otherwise buzzing place empty, with a long bar full of large paper bags for takeout and the house lights bright. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 28, 2020, 08:20:57 AM
We bought quite a bit of food and the wife complains I need to cook some of it, but she wanted Thai take out yesterday for lunch.  I think we'll do that today with a local place we like, Bangkok Thai, the first Thai restaurant in Atlanta they claim, in 1977.  Imagine not having a Thai restaurant around.

We have Vietnamese and Mexican places galore up Buford Highway.  That is an unusual area as some of the shopping centers (strip malls) have Chinese type symbols and others are called Fiesta American etc.  There is a nice Indian strip mall in Decatur, interesting to visit.

I can still recall the very first time I had "Mexican" food.  I was in college and this place opened up and none of us had a clue what kind of food they would have, we figured it would be too spicy, so we tried it, I got sick right after that and didn't have it again for years.  Ethnic food did not exist in normal places in the country back in the day other than some spaghetti places and a few French places that tended to be expensive.

The bistros in France often have excellent food at reasonable prices but the concept does not seem to translate here very well.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 28, 2020, 09:13:13 AM
Bistro here means $$$$.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 28, 2020, 09:42:23 AM
doing take out from the small town bar tonight for another birthday party - 8 to 10 of us.

unfortunately, when asking the owner of the bar, he stated he is cleaning out inventory because he has been losing money with the take out only and is planning to close next week.

Instead of a full menu or steaks, we're having Diablo shrimp and pasta with garlic bread.

I'm doing my part by bringing 3 growlers to salvage some of the tap beer.  Don't think he's supposed to fill outside growlers, but what are they going to do, shut him down?
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 28, 2020, 09:44:33 AM
I'm doing my part by bringing 3 growlers to salvage some of the tap beer.  Don't think he's supposed to fill outside growlers, but what are they going to do, shut him down?
Prolly filling the cops growlers around the other side of the building
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 28, 2020, 09:53:14 AM
friggin Busch light drinkers
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 28, 2020, 10:24:29 AM
doing take out from the small town bar tonight for another birthday party - 8 to 10 of us.

unfortunately, when asking the owner of the bar, he stated he is cleaning out inventory because he has been losing money with the take out only and is planning to close next week.

Instead of a full menu or steaks, we're having Diablo shrimp and pasta with garlic bread.

I'm doing my part by bringing 3 growlers to salvage some of the tap beer.  Don't think he's supposed to fill outside growlers, but what are they going to do, shut him down?
:96:
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 28, 2020, 10:27:06 AM
Bistro here means $$$$.
Well, $$ anyway.  This place isn't overly expensive.  But it's an Americanized version of a Bistro.


https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g60898-d1627177-Reviews-Bistro_Niko-Atlanta_Georgia.html

T (https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g60898-d1627177-Reviews-Bistro_Niko-Atlanta_Georgia.html)his is our usual choice:


https://www.atmospherebistro.com/

I (https://www.atmospherebistro.com/)t is operated by a French couple but also is Americanized to a degree.  The wife enjoys it anyway.

I'm more thinking of a French bistro in a small town in France, unpretentious, very good food for midteens pricing for dinner.  I think "we" think it needs to be glitzy.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 28, 2020, 10:28:32 AM
I decided I'm going to donate my $1200 and use part to buy some expensive meals when things open back up to help this group, they have to be mostly failing already.

We moved here in part because so many places are walkable easily, and I fear that won't be the case for a while.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 28, 2020, 10:34:32 AM
if you have many places a certain percentage will survive

hopefully, your favorites are survivors
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 28, 2020, 10:36:05 AM
:96:
guilty as charged

I've got my fingers crossed
hopefully that works
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 28, 2020, 10:36:35 AM
Smoking a few slabs of baby backs for tonight. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 28, 2020, 10:39:18 AM
I don't see how ANY survive this really.  They will reopen at some point under another name I guess.  They still are paying rent, insurance, probably paying their managers.  The Chains will make it I think but we don't have many of those here.  One nice Italian place just opened, now take out only, opened last week.

A few are serving take out only of course, but they are the more casual places that do burgers etc. that are amenable to take out.

And the servers must be just going broke,  no $1200 will save them.  Of course, I'm spending way less now on dining out.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 28, 2020, 11:27:38 AM
obviously all depends on how long this lasts

and how well the owners and investors are financed

hopefully, they had something in savings and low interest loans and other help can float them long enough to survive 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 28, 2020, 11:42:00 AM
My i s c & a aggie wife and I have been on a pretty strict low-carb diet since Christmas, but today is her birthday and we're breaking it for that occasion.  I actually broke a little last night and had some wine, and beer.

Tonight we'll grab some Tex-Mex from one of our favorite local places, they're doing their best to stay afloat doing curbside and delivery, but it can't be great for their business.  Like most places around here, the margins come from drinks and alcohol sales, not food.

Anyway, looking forward to some store-made enchiladas, tacos, and margaritas this evening.  It'll be the first food I've eaten in 3 months that wasn't made by my wife or me.

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 28, 2020, 11:45:07 AM
Happy Birthday to the Aggie
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 28, 2020, 12:46:11 PM
@Brutus Buckeye (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=31) , you out there Brother?

anyone seen Brutus lately?

Last post was possibly a nice graphic regarding the evolution of Michigan football
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 28, 2020, 12:49:54 PM
anonymous coward has been well - anonymous also.He'd have some interesting takes recently as he is in the medical field and recent events seem in his wheel house
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 28, 2020, 12:51:57 PM
Smoking a few slabs of baby backs for tonight.
Please keep with our no pics policy - thank you for your support
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: ELA on March 28, 2020, 01:57:49 PM
anonymous coward has been well - anonymous also.He'd have some interesting takes recently as he is in the medical field and recent events seem in his wheel house
I think he announced a couple years back that he's staying off in the offseason going forward?
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: ELA on March 28, 2020, 02:00:22 PM
I don't see how ANY survive this really.  They will reopen at some point under another name I guess.  They still are paying rent, insurance, probably paying their managers.  The Chains will make it I think but we don't have many of those here.  One nice Italian place just opened, now take out only, opened last week.

A few are serving take out only of course, but they are the more casual places that do burgers etc. that are amenable to take out.

And the servers must be just going broke,  no $1200 will save them.  Of course, I'm spending way less now on dining out.
I think Cheesecake Factory basically announced they weren't paying rent, and dared malls to evict them.  I could see more chains doing that, but like you said, no way non chains can do that.  Cheesecake Factory knows they can because nobody is jumping in in the meantime.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 28, 2020, 03:21:26 PM
I have an email into the manager of our local favorite restaurant asking how it's going.  They are selling pastries, cheesecake, and wine 5-9 PM curbside.

I may have posted this already.  I'm going to try out the SF burger place tomorrow.

I HOPE somehow it would be OK to open up restaurants that have outdoor dining areas with table spaced apart 6 feet.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 28, 2020, 03:32:48 PM
I think he announced a couple years back that he's staying off in the offseason going forward?

His last post was on the day Michigan got bashed by UW.



Another:

  • Chryst found 4th down and 3. The 2018 game looked a lot more impressive for Michigan (38-13) than it should have. It was still a one-score game at the half. And despite Taylor averaging close to 7 YPC, UW was punting on questionable 4th downs, both early in the game and late. It sort of felt like that was a form of self-elimination. Not this year. Chryst took all those risks, and each was the correct one. I wonder whether he learned more from the 2018 game or from watching Army-Michigan during the idle week. Both communicate the same thing about UW needing to go for it on 4th.



Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: ELA on March 28, 2020, 04:05:54 PM
His last post was on the day Michigan got bashed by UW.



Well, that sort kicked off UMs offseason
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 28, 2020, 04:43:19 PM
Heh. I guess.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 28, 2020, 05:12:57 PM
I HOPE somehow it would be OK to open up restaurants that have outdoor dining areas with table spaced apart 6 feet.
when case numbers and death numbers are dropping

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 28, 2020, 07:27:21 PM
I miss going to restaurants.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 28, 2020, 07:34:01 PM
On the whole, 2020 will be better hindsight than being now.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 28, 2020, 08:17:16 PM
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidching/2020/03/25/marquee-home-and-home-series-are-making-a-comeback-in-sec-football/?fbclid=IwAR0ZNLIuUkjub-TO4y7JZSyydy9D4Dt4R6gIp_nV5S86zb07INlGnnz5Wx8#4ee4c57254b1 (https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidching/2020/03/25/marquee-home-and-home-series-are-making-a-comeback-in-sec-football/?fbclid=IwAR0ZNLIuUkjub-TO4y7JZSyydy9D4Dt4R6gIp_nV5S86zb07INlGnnz5Wx8#4ee4c57254b1)

Article about SEC teams stepping up their home and home scheduling practices, which is a good thing, if we ever have football again.  Ever.

The Bulldogs will play at least two Power Five, non-conference opponents in all 10 years of the 2020s, and they will play three in 2028, 2029, 2030 and 2031. Check out these future non-conference slates: in 2028, Georgia visits Texas and hosts Florida State and Georgia Tech; in 2029, the Bulldogs host Texas and visit Clemson and Georgia Tech; in 2030, Georgia hosts Clemson, Ohio State and Georgia Tech; and in 2031, the Bulldogs host Oklahoma and visit Ohio State and Georgia Tech. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 28, 2020, 08:49:08 PM
I'm not sure GA Tech counts anymore.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 28, 2020, 09:20:36 PM
On the whole, 2020 will be better hindsight than being now.
Have you ever said "man, it's been a long week!" and then realize it's Tuesday afternoon?

Yeah, that's 2020.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 28, 2020, 11:16:30 PM
I'm not sure GA Tech counts anymore.
Pretty much, they as bad as FSU.  Almost.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 28, 2020, 11:48:00 PM
Have you ever said "man, it's been a long week!" and then realize it's Tuesday afternoon?

Yeah, that's 2020.
You know how, in a movie, when the main characters are battling something, or isolated, or in a castle under siege, or marooned on the planet Mars, and they show the first few days of their struggle and it all looks really hard and/or lonely and/or terrifying and/or deadly... and then they skip ahead to day 33 and show the ongoing struggle... and then they skip ahead to day 97 and show the ongoing struggle... and on day 187 they show it continuing and the characters are worn and haggard and we understand that they have just been fighting and scratching and clawing one day at a time, for the entire time?

Right now we're all living that.  But it's only day 14 or so, and we don't get to skip ahead to day 33 or day 97 or day 187.  We're going to live each and every one of those days.  We're going to watch it all unfold seemingly in slow motion.  That's where we are right now, at the very beginning of that movie.

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 29, 2020, 07:53:59 AM
Bullshit - bad movie,I'm not watching
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 29, 2020, 08:52:03 AM
Bullshit - bad movie,I'm not watching

Amen, brutha.

Thumbs down.  Would not watch again!
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 29, 2020, 08:53:03 AM
I keep thinking how fortunate I am - aside from some IRA losses, which I can withstand.  I can pay my bills.  My two kids are employed stably (thus far).  One had to take a 5% pay cut.  I miss going out to eat, OK, but the folks out of work are in tough shape, most of them depended on tips for livelihood.  Schools are out, education has slowed, research has slowed in most areas I presume.  I'm in a kind of fortress in a way.  The grocery stores are mostly well stocked now.  I'm not sick (yet).  The wife is managing OK, I try and keep her positive (which she generally is).

The internet is up and running, we're supposed to get an upgrade this week.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 29, 2020, 12:18:00 PM
Please keep with our no pics policy - thank you for your support
Sorry, couldn't resist:

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 29, 2020, 12:25:34 PM
I've done ribs in that hot pot thing and they turn out pretty well I think (dry rub).

I'm going to do some again.  Ribs out have gotten pricey.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 29, 2020, 12:37:38 PM
Have you ever said "man, it's been a long week!" and then realize it's Tuesday afternoon?

Yeah, that's 2020.
Nothing matters but the weekend
From a Tuesday point of view



Switchin' to glide
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on March 29, 2020, 12:41:54 PM
@Brutus Buckeye (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=31) , you out there Brother?

anyone seen Brutus lately?

Last post was possibly a nice graphic regarding the evolution of Michigan football
 
I'm alive. Just no sports for me to yap about.

Just crossed the country on I-70, which was pretty strange. It's a ghost town out there. Nothing but semis and uhauls and work vans. Hotels with only about a half a dozen people, including the staff. Like a zombie apocalypse, minus all the zombies (knock on wood).
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 29, 2020, 12:46:11 PM
I keep thinking how fortunate I am - aside from some IRA losses, which I can withstand.  I can pay my bills.  My two kids are employed stably (thus far).  One had to take a 5% pay cut.  I miss going out to eat, OK, but the folks out of work are in tough shape, most of them depended on tips for livelihood.  Schools are out, education has slowed, research has slowed in most areas I presume.  I'm in a kind of fortress in a way.  The grocery stores are mostly well stocked now.  I'm not sick (yet).  The wife is managing OK, I try and keep her positive (which she generally is).

The internet is up and running, we're supposed to get an upgrade this week.
I'm also very lucky.
Will go to the office tomorrow and upgrade some internet packages - paycheck is almost certain to be cashed Friday
was out with 7 friends last night - good take out food and drink
will be golfing this afternoon with friends
I usually only go out to eat once a week or so - that hasn't bothered me much
I did send my daughter a check for $300 to help with rent since she's unemployed - not a big deal for me
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 29, 2020, 12:51:00 PM

I'm alive. Just no sports for me to yap about.

Just crossed the country on I-70, which was pretty strange. It's a ghost town out there. Nothing but semis and uhauls and work vans. Hotels with only about a half a dozen people, including the staff. Like a zombie apocalypse, minus all the zombies (knock on wood).
good to hear
stay safe
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 29, 2020, 02:11:31 PM
Many of us are very blessed and fortunate, and it is worthwhile to pause and reflect on that.

I do kinda wish the Dawgs would win another NC in my lifetime, but I'd be fine with a couple SEC CG wins.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 29, 2020, 03:18:23 PM
We got our biannual wine shipment from our wine club in Paso this week. Strangely, two boxes arrived from two different shipping services for us. Upon opening, we realized we'd been double-shipped but only charged once.

We called to let them know about the error and see what to do about it, and they said they could either have us ship it back at their expense, or keep it and they'd charge us but with ~25% discount.

So we got a lot of wine 😂
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 29, 2020, 03:39:36 PM
I'm headed to the golf course

cool and windy, but better than stuck in the house
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 29, 2020, 04:15:19 PM
Please keep with our no pics policy - thank you for your support
I did forget to take pics of this morning's biscuits and gravy. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 29, 2020, 05:09:10 PM
Got to figure out the block feature,that is a great way to start the day off
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 29, 2020, 06:06:58 PM
I'm headed to the golf course

cool and windy, but better than stuck in the house
Fore!

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 29, 2020, 07:57:27 PM
Try and do what you can to support local take out places.  Our local favorite was doing cheesecake today, I ordered three slices, he gave me five.  He told me tomorrow they would be doing limited menu take out dinners.  I'm in.

He's a super nice guy, very efficient as a manager.  Cafe Intermezzo.  We who have funds should reach out and help.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 29, 2020, 07:59:29 PM
When this is the HELL all over and done with, we need a serious reunion effort somewhere.  I volunteer.

Seriously.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MichiFan87 on March 29, 2020, 09:16:06 PM
I was thinking we could even do our own video meeting sometime. I've met some of you in person but not a lot of you and nobody recently.

I've done it with my family and some groups I'm involved in, and it's definitely helping me keep my sanity....
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on March 29, 2020, 09:19:03 PM
It was BGE Olympics today, trying to maintain temp while the gusts were hitting 40mph.  I was wise to keep it simple w a couple tenderloins.  The overnight  homemade rub was the star.  Of course I wouldn't know the recipe, just make about a cup worth of it with whatever made sense last night  and try another one some other time down the road.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 29, 2020, 09:43:11 PM
My standard dry rub for pork (spare ribs, tenderloin, pork butt):

1/2 Bolner's Fiesta Pork Rub https://www.fiestaspices.com/product/pork-rub/ (https://www.fiestaspices.com/product/pork-rub/)
1/2 Montreal Steak Seasoning https://www.mccormick.com/grill-mates/flavors/seasoning-blends/grill-mates-montreal-steak-seasoning (https://www.mccormick.com/grill-mates/flavors/seasoning-blends/grill-mates-montreal-steak-seasoning)

Also, smear the meat with plain ol' yeller mustard before applying the dry rub

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 29, 2020, 09:54:59 PM
When this is the HELL all over and done with, we need a serious reunion effort somewhere.  I volunteer.

Seriously.
I'm in
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 29, 2020, 11:56:17 PM
We're in.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 30, 2020, 12:49:38 PM
It was BGE Olympics today, trying to maintain temp while the gusts were hitting 40mph.  I was wise to keep it simple w a couple tenderloins.  The overnight  homemade rub was the star.  Of course I wouldn't know the recipe, just make about a cup worth of it with whatever made sense last night  and try another one some other time down the road.
Why do I get the idea that to try to recreate this, you're going to have to imbibe the same collection of beverages to try to get the same things to make sense? :57:

I did the chicken fried pork tenderloin again last night. I had previously done it with only my wife; this weekend we have the kids so we tried again. It was a hit, as expected. I did a little better the second time around--I think the first time I was at the very edge of overcooking the batter in the fry oil--this time I dialed it back JUST a bit and it was perfect.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 30, 2020, 01:56:44 PM
Pork tenderloin is pretty damn good in any form.Isn't the chicken fried thing for cheaper cuts that need hammering?I would have no problem with what you whipped up though :character0029:
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 30, 2020, 02:28:01 PM
I love to chicken-fry pork cutlets made from tenderloin.  Kids love 'em too.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 30, 2020, 02:31:31 PM
Pork tenderloin is pretty damn good in any form.Isn't the chicken fried thing for cheaper cuts that need hammering?I would have no problem with what you whipped up though :character0029:
My wife has a poultry allergy, so she can't eat (and has never tasted) fried chicken. 

I was going for something that would have a similar flavor profile, so I used the tenderloin and cut it into big chunks rather than hammering it out thin and flat. 

It ended up with a flavor profile and texture closer to chicken thigh, which is what I was hoping for. I prefer leg/thigh pieces in my fried chicken anyway. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on March 30, 2020, 02:35:12 PM
A pork tenderloin sandwich, breaded, with red onion, mayo and pickles is one of the masterpieces of human history.  IN and Iowa has solved this wonderous offering.  

I was joking about my impromptu dry rub that I made, for a whole pork tenderloin which turned out great on the Egg, just have no freaking clue what was all in the rub.  G&Ts are to blame.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: ELA on March 30, 2020, 03:56:36 PM
Pork tenderloin is pretty damn good in any form.Isn't the chicken fried thing for cheaper cuts that need hammering?I would have no problem with what you whipped up though :character0029:
I make it different every time.  It's almost never a miss.  It's never a big time go to for me, but it's a really hard thing to mess up.

I've never had a good breaded pork sandwich outside the state of Indiana, but within the borders, they can do it
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 30, 2020, 03:58:39 PM
the folks in Eastern Iowa can do it - almost as well as the Hoosiers

don't know about that hunk of land in between called Illinois
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 30, 2020, 04:00:22 PM
best weather we've had since early March - coming in AND going out like a Lamb chop

FORE!!!
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 30, 2020, 04:28:24 PM
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Funny baseball story.

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on March 30, 2020, 05:37:49 PM
That story has never gotten old.  Its really funny when you are familiar w Atlanta interstate routing.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 30, 2020, 05:52:52 PM
I've heard of the Indiana and Iowa style fried pork sandwich but never had one, sounds good.

Down here in Texico we'll chicken-fry pretty much anything and put it on bread, and there's also a strong German and Czech influence so schnitzel and its derivatives are pretty common.  So I've had breaded fried pork cutlet sandwiches, and chicken-fried steak sandwiches, and chicken-fried chicken sandwiches.  All can be delicious.

Is there something specific about the bread, or the breading, on the Indiana version that makes it unique?

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 30, 2020, 06:15:23 PM
I've heard of the Indiana and Iowa style fried pork sandwich but never had one, sounds good.

Down here in Texico we'll chicken-fry pretty much anything and put it on bread, and there's also a strong German and Czech influence so schnitzel and its derivatives are pretty common.  So I've had breaded fried pork cutlet sandwiches, and chicken-fried steak sandwiches, and chicken-fried chicken sandwiches.  All can be delicious.

Is there something specific about the bread, or the breading, on the Indiana version that makes it unique?


That's what you'll see here and in Wisconsin.

We don't serve them on bread. It's already... breaded.

Chicken parmesan is similar. You don't see it on bread much here. You don't see it at all in Italy, but there are some similar dishes there.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 30, 2020, 06:15:39 PM
One place here has chicken fried chicken, and it's tasty.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 30, 2020, 06:27:13 PM
I've had a good Indiana-style pork tenderloin sandwich, and... Eh? 

When you take that pork tenderloin and hammer the crap out of it until it's the size of a dinner plate--and about as thick, it seems like you've missed the point of buying pork tenderloin in the first place. 

And then you put it on a bun that is NOT the size of a dinner plate, so you have a sandwich that's 10" in diameter on a bun 4" in diameter. Which means that you have bites of sandwich that are not actually even a sandwich... (Although if you define "between bread" as a sandwich you could argue that any breaded meat is a sandwich--but I'm not going to agree with that).

And maybe I understand that folks like having some bites of sandwich and some bites of non-sandwich. But if you REALLY wanted that, why have it as ONE dish? 

The part inside the bun is actually pretty delicious. It's a good mix of ingredients and a good sandwich. Granted, it's damn near vegetarian, because the pork has been hammered so thin there's barely pork between the breading at all.

The part outside the bun? It's basically 90% breading because the pork is so thin, again, that there's barely pork there. It's basically eating deep fried breading... Which is DELICIOUS, hence why we bread and deep fry so many things. But the pork isn't anything more than a vessel to hold breading at that point because it's so thin.

So no... I don't get it.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 30, 2020, 06:44:02 PM
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Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 30, 2020, 06:48:08 PM
That section of I-85 is north of me maybe 2 miles, 6 lanes of freeway, they left the old freeway built around 1955 parallel to it.  They rebuilt it in record time.  I was glad I was not living here when it happened.  The guy who caused it completed a drug rehab program and appeared to be en route to a productive life.

We use the old freeway to access the new freeway now, except it usually was clogged with traffic anyway.  Not now.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Kris60 on March 30, 2020, 07:15:34 PM
I’ve been jogging/walking the steps in my house since my gym is closed down. It is 16 steps from the bottom to the top.  I go for 30 minutes but I’ve never counted how many trips up and down I take.  I always figured it was about 100 and probably over a 100.  The other day I decided to count my reps.  I was disheartened to see it was only 83 reps (I consider a rep to be going all the way up and then back down).

I did it just now and improved to 86.  It sounds sorry to say I’m not even averaging 3 trips per minute but I can tell you when I’m done I’m dripping sweat and my legs are jelly.  I’d like to work my way up to 100.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on March 30, 2020, 07:33:15 PM
Schnitzel is delicious as well.  Not too far off, the pairings are really the material difference. .  The pork tenderloin sandwich isnt meant to be pork tenderloin at its finest, but the glorious medley of so many simple luxuries at a low price point.   I like how the bun is diminutive, almost a throw away, delivery device for the mayo, red onion and pickles.  

It's why an Italian beef sandwich is so good, despite being nothing special on its face.  The medley is fabulous. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 30, 2020, 07:34:22 PM
I’ve been jogging/walking the steps in my house since my gym is closed down. It is 16 steps from the bottom to the top.  I go for 30 minutes but I’ve never counted how many trips up and down I take.  I always figured it was about 100 and probably over a 100.  The other day I decided to count my reps.  I was disheartened to see it was only 83 reps (I consider a rep to be going all the way up and then back down).

I did it just now and improved to 86.  It sounds sorry to say I’m not even averaging 3 trips per minute but I can tell you when I’m done I’m dripping sweat and my legs are jelly.  I’d like to work my way up to 100.
Steps are WAY harder than a walk, run, treadmill, etc. I recall when my brother who lives in Texas was bringing his son out here to CA and we were talking about going for a hike. I picked one that was 7 miles total, and he's like "Oh yeah, we go for distances like that ALL the time." He didn't realize that gaining 2000 ft elevation on a hike was FAR more important than the distance of the hike, because they didn't really have hills in the Corpus Christi area.

If you assume your steps are somewhere near average (7.5" rise), 16 steps is a 10' elevation gain. 83 trips would be 830' elevation gain. Given that you're ONLY going up and down and doing all that within 30 minutes? That's a solid workout. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on March 30, 2020, 07:38:52 PM
Running steps in basketball practice was the worst torture possible.  At least with lines, or deep sixes, seventeens or whatever teams called them, you weren't running the risk of tripping, skinning,  or otherwise flirting with fantastic injury.    

It is incredible conditioning though. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Kris60 on March 30, 2020, 07:44:40 PM
Steps are WAY harder than a walk, run, treadmill, etc. I recall when my brother who lives in Texas was bringing his son out here to CA and we were talking about going for a hike. I picked one that was 7 miles total, and he's like "Oh yeah, we go for distances like that ALL the time." He didn't realize that gaining 2000 ft elevation on a hike was FAR more important than the distance of the hike, because they didn't really have hills in the Corpus Christi area.

If you assume your steps are somewhere near average (7.5" rise), 16 steps is a 10' elevation gain. 83 trips would be 830' elevation gain. Given that you're ONLY going up and down and doing all that within 30 minutes? That's a solid workout.
Thanks.  Because I know it certainly FEELS like a good workout.  I don’t feel like I’m loafing through it even though my pace naturally slacks off the longer I go.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 30, 2020, 08:08:48 PM
I do steps in the park after jogging/running.  I can job quite a ways, but steps ...

The good news is my legs held out in baseball fantasy camp and I have some hops back.

I'm doing at least 100 push ups a day also.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Kris60 on March 30, 2020, 09:10:58 PM
I do steps in the park after jogging/running.  I can job quite a ways, but steps ...

The good news is my legs held out in baseball fantasy camp and I have some hops back.

I'm doing at least 100 push ups a day also.
I have a circuit I do in regards to lifting.  20 pushups, 20 dumbbell curls, 12-15 lateral dumbbell raises for shoulders, 20 air squats, 20 sit ups, and 20 pull ups on the Total Gym.  That’s a circuit and I do 6 circuits.  I do that every other day in between the days I do steps or jog or hike or whatever.  It’s a good workout for me.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 30, 2020, 09:21:46 PM
I'm doing a lot of 12 and 16 oz curls.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 30, 2020, 09:27:32 PM
me too
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 31, 2020, 09:00:26 AM
actually I've cut way back because of not moving around so much.Except for one unit of Mr Beam's Elixir per day
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 31, 2020, 09:51:05 PM
well, that's crazy

just filled another growler
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 01, 2020, 07:32:59 AM
My pushup routine has improved a lot.  I am seeing it as being better than bench press.  And I think my shoulder is better for it.

I managed 120 yesterday, which is not bad for an old man.

Not at one time.  We have two sets of stairs in the condo so I get some up and down on them.  I bought some ribs at Kroger, they were $1.69 a pound, plan to do the hot pot thing.

Ribs and wings both have gotten insanely expensive "out".  I can remember quarter wings at places maybe 15 years ago.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on April 01, 2020, 07:48:46 AM
120 puish ups huh?I've got a tricky shoulder - pinched nerve - but you think it helped yours?
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on April 01, 2020, 07:50:08 AM
well, that's crazy

just filled another growler
Maybe I'll join you and we can watch everyone else work out
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 01, 2020, 08:11:57 AM
120 puish ups huh?I've got a tricky shoulder - pinched nerve - but you think it helped yours?
Try planks for that nerve.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 01, 2020, 08:34:47 AM
120 puish ups huh?I've got a tricky shoulder - pinched nerve - but you think it helped yours?

My shoulder is fried from a game I pitched as a junior in HS, first game of the year and I was supposed to be the honcho on the mound.  I over threw and the next day I couldn't raise my arm at all.  I never had it looked at, back then you just had a "sore arm".  Mine was much worse.  On rare occasion, I could somehow throw about like I used to, but it happened sporadically and usually after doing a lot of pushups, so I'm trying it again.  My shoulder has gotten annoying in routine life of late.  It could just be partially healing from playing baseball.

I usually do three sets 45-35-35, sometimes 45-45-30.  They probably aren't the best pushups in the world but I keep my back straight and I think my back is benefiting as well.  I'm going to move to 4 sets today, I'm getting better at it.

I can barely throw a baseball today though I found an arm angle which is at about 30° that works with less pain.  I've never thrown from that position before and it feels weird, but if I drop down more or go more overhead it hurts pretty bad even with a lot of NSAIDs.

It was interesting seeing all the 40 year olds at Fantasy Camp go down on Day 2 with leg problems while I was still "running".  My legs held up quite well this past time.  The rookies were blowing out quads and calves and groins and hammies right and left.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on April 01, 2020, 08:54:15 AM
Dude I could go 20 maybe 25 before collapsing like a house of cards and resuming again.For years I thought I tore a muscle in my right throwing arm.Turns out all of those years it was a pinched nerve in my shoulder.I could have played outfield had I known.I always loved playing in the field more than hitting - I'm talking softball not sandlot hardball
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 01, 2020, 08:57:13 AM
When I started a few weeks ago, 20 was about all I could do without really cheating.  

It's like anything, but at my age it takes a lot longer to recover.  

In other good news, my piano playing is coming back albeit slowly.  My hand strength is much better.  I can play some of the easier pieces well enough that they sound like they should with some mistakes.  The harder pieces still look really hard.  I'm going after them slowly.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 01, 2020, 09:59:49 AM

Ribs and wings both have gotten insanely expensive "out".  I can remember quarter wings at places maybe 15 years ago.
Wings have gotten more expensive in general. They used to be useless throwaway pieces, which is why they became popular as bar food--they're cheap. 

But I recall a story a couple years ago talking about how wing pieces had become more expensive, per pound, than chicken breast. That's about the time that "boneless wings" started becoming more popular, because they were equal in price, or as cheap, as real wings.

But it kinda all makes sense... You can get a meal out of a single chicken breast, and chickens have two of them. A single meal of wings is ~12 wings, which requires all the wing pieces from three chickens. So economically it would make sense that wings are more sensitive to smaller changes in demand, because they're more relatively "scarce" per pound than breast.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 01, 2020, 10:05:08 AM
Yeah, that makes sense, but I prefer drum sticks over wings anyway.

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on April 01, 2020, 10:45:10 AM
Try planks for that nerve.
I went to PT and still have these different colored rubber bands(for resistance indicating resistance strength)Truth be told I've gotten lax and should prolly start up again
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on April 01, 2020, 10:49:09 AM
I went to PT and still have these different colored rubber bands(for resistance indicating resistance strength)Truth be told I've gotten lax and should prolly start up again
My i s c &  a aggie PT wife says-- "Do your freaking exercises, or suffer the consequences."

So there you have it.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on April 01, 2020, 10:52:44 AM
When I started a few weeks ago, 20 was about all I could do without really cheating. 
That's good to hear because fairly certain i embellished my numbers :040:




My i s c &  a aggie PT wife says-- "Do your freaking exercises, or suffer the consequences."

So there you have it.
Bossy Texicans
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on April 01, 2020, 11:25:48 AM
My ankles and shoulder were giving me trouble so I took a day off from running or the gym. Think I'll run today, maybe. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on April 01, 2020, 11:38:11 AM
That's good to hear because fairly certain i embellished my numbers :040:



Bossy Texicans
Well sure, but she's actually quite matter of fact about it.  If she has patients that tell her they're not doing their exercises, she tells them to go home.  If they don't want to get better, she's not going to waste her time.  She's one of the best PTs in Austin, at by far the best PT clinic in Austin.  They have a wait-list over a month long to get on their schedules.

But yeah, I'm sure you know better, and will heal up just fine. ;)

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MichiFan87 on April 01, 2020, 11:55:13 AM
Well sure, but she's actually quite matter of fact about it.  If she has patients that tell her they're not doing their exercises, she tells them to go home.  If they don't want to get better, she's not going to waste her time.  She's one of the best PTs in Austin, at by far the best PT clinic in Austin.  They have a wait-list over a month long to get on their schedules.

But yeah, I'm sure you know better, and will heal up just fine. ;)


When I broke my leg and dislocated my shoulder (two separate incidents) I was supposed to see a PT and just didn't bother. Both healed fine (neither required any surgery thankfully).
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on April 01, 2020, 11:57:18 AM
But yeah, I'm sure you know better, and will heal up just fine. ;)
Oh alright but those bands hurt when they break
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 01, 2020, 11:57:41 AM
Things like that should heal fine in general, but PT can ensure they heal "better" and "faster" and you get back to original mobility.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on April 01, 2020, 11:59:30 AM
I went to PT and still have these different colored rubber bands(for resistance indicating resistance strength)Truth be told I've gotten lax and should prolly start up again
for more strength, simply drink outta the growler
the pint glasses aren't heavy enough to build muscle, they simply tone muscle
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on April 01, 2020, 12:05:51 PM
Ya more weight fewer reps,thanx professor
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on April 01, 2020, 12:10:16 PM
same number of reps unless you're taking bigger sips!
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on April 02, 2020, 09:17:38 PM
I've had a good Indiana-style pork tenderloin sandwich, and... Eh?

When you take that pork tenderloin and hammer the crap out of it until it's the size of a dinner plate--and about as thick, it seems like you've missed the point of buying pork tenderloin in the first place.

And then you put it on a bun that is NOT the size of a dinner plate, so you have a sandwich that's 10" in diameter on a bun 4" in diameter. Which means that you have bites of sandwich that are not actually even a sandwich... (Although if you define "between bread" as a sandwich you could argue that any breaded meat is a sandwich--but I'm not going to agree with that).

And maybe I understand that folks like having some bites of sandwich and some bites of non-sandwich. But if you REALLY wanted that, why have it as ONE dish?

The part inside the bun is actually pretty delicious. It's a good mix of ingredients and a good sandwich. Granted, it's damn near vegetarian, because the pork has been hammered so thin there's barely pork between the breading at all.

The part outside the bun? It's basically 90% breading because the pork is so thin, again, that there's barely pork there. It's basically eating deep fried breading... Which is DELICIOUS, hence why we bread and deep fry so many things. But the pork isn't anything more than a vessel to hold breading at that point because it's so thin.

So no... I don't get it.
(https://scontent.ffod1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/91895284_130038468589910_8017271149131988992_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_sid=ca434c&_nc_ohc=hivKzoCvc4YAX_UM8Zx&_nc_ht=scontent.ffod1-1.fna&oh=3cd0be3f9dc140d4b7dccbf7ba39b55a&oe=5EABFF96)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 02, 2020, 09:35:11 PM
STAY HOME!!

No more FORE. 

No more going to Kroger (Jewel, Safeway, Publix, Albertsons) or Walmart or Target every damn day. 

Just. Stay. Home.


Buy what you need, for two weeks. Get what you get. Go out only when you need to go out.





You want college football this year? If so, read the above.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on April 02, 2020, 10:20:42 PM
STAY HOME!!

No more FORE.

No more going to Kroger (Jewel, Safeway, Publix, Albertsons) or Walmart or Target every damn day.

Just. Stay. Home.


Buy what you need, for two weeks. Get what you get. Go out only when you need to go out.





You want college football this year? If so, read the above.

Take it to the Corona thread ya jackwagon.  Am I going to have to put you in timeout?
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: ELA on April 03, 2020, 09:42:18 AM
Anyone else bummed without baseball, Baseball Reference is simming out the season, and tracking stats

https://www.baseball-reference.com/sim/leagues/MLB/2020.shtml (https://www.baseball-reference.com/sim/leagues/MLB/2020.shtml)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on April 03, 2020, 12:07:26 PM
yup, I'm bummed about any lack of live sports

watched the Vikings/Saints 2018 playoff game last night on Fox Sports - the Minneapolis Miracle!

it was much more entertaining than Fox News
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 03, 2020, 04:24:07 PM
So, the new heat pump is in and functioning well.  Hopefully it's more efficient.  The guy said the old unit was a cut rate brand and this is a Bosch.

He tested the AC part of it.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 03, 2020, 04:27:10 PM
Do you have radiant heat in your building?
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 03, 2020, 06:33:05 PM
Do you have radiant heat in your building?
Not that I know of.  The building is 31 years old.  It has been generally well maintained and updated.  Our unit is entirely forced air.  My electric bill averages about $120 a month or so.  We have two sides exposed with some very large windows, but it's north facing.  We get sun from the east in the AM but have curtains.  The south side units all have serious blinds.

The hot water is "free", which is nice (as is water).  I'm told there are two boilers on the roof and an evaporator.  I assume the evaporator only works in summer.

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on April 03, 2020, 08:44:08 PM
Kids caught some little bass and nice sunfish this evening on bobber and worm tonight on lake behind house.  MH was skunked.  I was trying some deep rapalas having never fished this water before.  Little plastics did work too.  I'd rather bait cast and let kids beat me.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 06, 2020, 10:43:35 AM
I am cleaning our small electric grill, soaking the grates, which is not great.  The grill had quite a bit of solid buildup of crunchies under the grates which I cleared.  This is a kind of nasty job.

The grill does  a much better job than I expected.  But it gets nasty fairly quickly.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on April 06, 2020, 01:34:10 PM
The Pro Football Hall of Fame has named Ndamukong Suh to the NFL All-Decade Team for the 2010s.

https://www.profootballhof.com/nfls-all-decade-team-of-the-2010s-defense/ (https://www.profootballhof.com/nfls-all-decade-team-of-the-2010s-defense/)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on April 06, 2020, 09:45:14 PM
The art of faking injuries in college football

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/28991964/the-art-faking-injuries-college-football (https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/28991964/the-art-faking-injuries-college-football)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on April 06, 2020, 10:00:04 PM
So my 8 yr old did enough damage to her bobber that she started to lose a little interest on our third walk over to the lake, I managed to use parts of this bobber and a little sinker to fashion a little jig out of it, without the actual float. The plastic slips were still on the line, the float part broke off on the rocks, it kept the sinker and hook line in nice balance for easy casting and retrieval in these light wind conditions.   She found some large rocks to play with while the 11 yr old and I had the derby.  She still won again but it is always fun to catch fish when improvising.  Still to early for spoons and full bait casting beyond little plastics. 

Were heading down to a real lake for a couple days away from the main shelter in place, we should see some catfish and stripers. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: CWSooner on April 06, 2020, 11:14:41 PM
Good article on faking injuries.  I think the competition committee wimped out.  They should have gone ahead and established a mandatory sit-out time after injuries.  Mike Gundy is right for once.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on April 06, 2020, 11:21:02 PM
Ed Zachery

sit out until a change of possession
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on April 07, 2020, 01:59:30 PM
Damn - The Cleveland Plain Dealer closed it's doors after 178 years in business.Kinda hurts but not surprised.Might as well get Pravda with all the BS out there
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: ELA on April 07, 2020, 02:39:31 PM
Good article on faking injuries.  I think the competition committee wimped out.  They should have gone ahead and established a mandatory sit-out time after injuries.  Mike Gundy is right for once.
Disagree, unless you also want to ban Hurry Up and Wait offenses/
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on April 07, 2020, 03:25:49 PM
Disagree, unless you also want to ban Hurry Up and Wait offenses/
I don't think the comparison is valid at all.  It's obvious what is considered unsportsmanlike about faking an injury.  But what is unsportsmanlike about the hurry up offense?

There are already rules preventing the offense from substituting and running a play without giving the defense its own chance to respond and sub.  Is there something else that you consider unsportsmanlike in the HUNH?
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: ELA on April 07, 2020, 04:12:18 PM
I don't think the comparison is valid at all.  It's obvious what is considered unsportsmanlike about faking an injury.  But what is unsportsmanlike about the hurry up offense?

There are already rules preventing the offense from substituting and running a play without giving the defense its own chance to respond and sub.  Is there something else that you consider unsportsmanlike in the HUNH?
Unsportsmanlike, no?  And it's not specifically hurry up no huddle, it's hurry up and wiat, for the express purpose of preventing substitutions.  If your goal is merely to exhaust the defense, I don't mind them countering.  I don't find that's unsporting any more than running to the line, rather than huddling, just to keep the defense tired.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on April 07, 2020, 04:25:09 PM
Unsportsmanlike, no?  And it's not specifically hurry up no huddle, it's hurry up and wiat, for the express purpose of preventing substitutions.  If your goal is merely to exhaust the defense, I don't mind them countering.  I don't find that's unsporting any more than running to the line, rather than huddling, just to keep the defense tired.
How is the lack of any motion from the offense "keeping the defense tired?"

As I said, if the offense subs, the defense can too.

If the offense doesn't sub, then what advantage are they gaining?
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: ELA on April 07, 2020, 05:32:44 PM
How is the lack of any motion from the offense "keeping the defense tired?"

As I said, if the offense subs, the defense can too.

If the offense doesn't sub, then what advantage are they gaining?
If they didn't why would they do it?  What other reason is there to sprint up to the line, just to stand and stare at the sidelines for 30 seconds?

There were always more rotations on defense than on offense, particularly in the trenches.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on April 07, 2020, 05:35:36 PM
If they didn't why would they do it?  What other reason is there to sprint up to the line, just to stand and stare at the sidelines for 30 seconds?

There were always more rotations on defense than on offense, particularly in the trenches.
One reason for the offense to do it is to prevent defensive subs for specific down/distance situations, not necessarily to prevent the defense from getting rest. 

I simply disagree that there's any significant net advantage to the offense, since they aren't able to substitute either, when they choose to do this.

Faking injuries on the other hand is clearly unsportsmanlike. 

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 07, 2020, 05:40:23 PM
If they didn't why would they do it?  What other reason is there to sprint up to the line, just to stand and stare at the sidelines for 30 seconds?

There were always more rotations on defense than on offense, particularly in the trenches.
I don't think it's about making the defense tired as much as it's about limiting substitutions for run/pass situations.

They want to keep the defense in the same personnel package and then let the coach/OC pick the plays that best attack that personnel package.

Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: CWSooner on April 07, 2020, 06:50:26 PM
ELA: Do you have a suggestion to fix what you see as the problem, other than defensive players faking injury?
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: ELA on April 07, 2020, 07:22:30 PM
ELA: Do you have a suggestion to fix what you see as the problem, other than defensive players faking injury?
I don't think you should be allowed to snap the ball within the first 10 seconds once the ball is snapped, unless you are inside the final two minutes of each half.  One of the blogs did an analysis of it, and I want to say it was like 8% of the time teams got to the line within 5 seconds of the ball being snapped, they actually snapped the ball in under 10 seconds.  92% of the time it is solely to prevent substitutions.

I as a viewer hate how it has removed replay and analysis from the broadcasts.  Teams aren't going necessarily faster, they are just spending more time standing at the line.  And from a football perspective, I think it has led to a dumbed down product.  Not sure Chip Kelly was the first, but he certainly popularized the idea, that if you just prevent substitutions, you don't need to actually run a complex offense.  Hurry Up and Wait has turned chess into checkers.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: CWSooner on April 07, 2020, 07:24:40 PM
You're using "snap" in two different ways.  Do you mean "set" the ball in the first instance?
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on April 07, 2020, 07:30:28 PM
I just don't have a problem with limiting situational substitutions.  Fundamentally, that doesn't bother me.

Fundamentally, I'd be just fine with eliminating all substitutions and having the same 11 players on the field for a team at all times.  Fundamentally, I'd be just fine with eliminating the platoon system and playing both ways the entire game.

Fundamentally, I view that as an intriguing idea.  Really, really intriguing.  It could certainly serve to remove some of the unnecessary bloat.  11 guys on one team, going up against the same 11 guys from the other team, for the entire game.

Yup, the more I think about this, the more I like it. :)
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: ELA on April 07, 2020, 07:32:08 PM
Yeah, sorry typo.

There's a reason Chip Kelly is trash now.  He was never a particularly brilliant offensive mind, he just knew how to exploit efficiencies.  Good for him.  Once everyone did it, it turned out he wasn't particularly clever.

It's been IMO, the biggest downside to analytics in all sports (at least football, basketball and baseball).  It's led to monolithic thinking, and a product that is not visually appealing.  You know what is the most efficient football?  Running to the line, standing there, and running one of like 4 plays.  The most efficient basketball?  Just jacking up threes, not within any sort of offensive flow?  Baseball?  The strikeout aversion made no sense.  Just swing for the fences, and who cares if you strike out.  Every AB is a HR, strike out or walk.

I'm not questioning that the methods are the most efficient.  But the diversity in the sports has unquestionably declined, and from a viewer standpoint, to me, it seems like the most "efficient" strategies, are the least watchable.

For football, I don't want 3 yards and a cloud of dust.  But I don't know how watching 22 guys staring at the sidelines for 30 seconds, just to throw a slant route to the slot receiver lined up on a LB is any better.  I would much prefer to watch the booth analyze the previous play while the coordinators match wits behind the scenes.  I'm sure young people love it, causal fans love it.  It's high scoring, defenses are neutered, but football has fallen clearly to #3 for me in my favorite sport rankings.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MichiFan87 on April 07, 2020, 07:49:10 PM
Wouldn't reducing the play clock mitigate a lot of this? I think the substitution rules are fine as they are.

Reducing the shot clock has been good for college basketball, along with this year's change to reduce the shot clock after offensive rebounds to 20. It certainly made games involving slow teams more watchable.

Michigan in Harbaugh's first 4 years was as guilty of killing clock for no good reason, even when they were behind. Thankfully Gattis has mostly fixed that.

I was annoyed when the rule changed that allows the clock restart before the snap after first downs and more recently when players go out of bounds. Reducing the play clock would counter those changes to increase the number of plays.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MaximumSam on April 07, 2020, 08:53:50 PM
I somewhat disagree. OSU has been big on the hurry up and wait offense, but it had changed and they have had a rather large selection of plays. I didn't watch any of their games this season and been bored by their play selection.

But a big problem is that there is no real advantage to huddling. Either the huddle is important to football and rules should reflect that, or not. Random thought, coaches shouldn't be allowed to communicate plays if the team doesn't huddle.

Personally, I'd like to see limits on substitutions and less communication between coaches and players.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: ELA on April 07, 2020, 09:16:28 PM
Random thought, coaches shouldn't be allowed to communicate plays if the team doesn't huddle.

Personally, I'd like to see limits on substitutions and less communication between coaches and players.
I'd be ok with that.

The NFL earpiece is one of the most asinine rule changes ever.  I'm not sure why that didn't get more pushback at the time.  Could you imagine if the batter and pitcher had earpieces?  The fury that would cause.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on April 08, 2020, 12:30:22 AM
  It could certainly serve to remove some of the unnecessary bloat.  11 guys on one team, going up against the same 11 guys from the other team, for the entire game.

Yup, the more I think about this, the more I like it. :)

Well hell don't stop there,leather helmets w/o facemasks.Train travel,barnstorming and playing for Kegs in the field next to the abandoned warehouse by the tracks.Ya that's the ticket ✔
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 08, 2020, 05:50:43 PM
Any recommendations on meat slicers? 

The bacon was a hit, so I'm planning on doing another (bigger) batch. And quite frankly, I'd love to start making things like pastrami, corned beef, roast beef, etc. 

I'm hoping to get enough use out of the thing to make it worth it rather than trying to cut things by hand, but at the same time probably won't use it enough that I want to spend a ton of cash. 

So "midrange" is the target.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 08, 2020, 06:02:40 PM
I have this one and I like it.

https://www.amazon.com/Waring-FS155AMZ-Professional-Slicer-Stainless/dp/B00HSBOVEU/ref=sr_1_2?adFormat=grid&adId=searchbar&adMode=manual&adType=smart&creativeASIN=searchbar&dchild=1&imprToken=UKJouHXNM3mji8k9Di7jAQ&impressionTimestamp=1586383153138&keywords=Waring+Pro+FS155AMZ+Professional+Food+Slicer&linkCode=w43&qid=1586383299&ref-refURL=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cfb51.com%2Fbig-ten%2F2020-offseason-stream-of-unconciousness%2F1288%2F&sig=undefined&sigts=undefined&slotNum=0&sr=8-2


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Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 08, 2020, 06:12:32 PM
Does it give enough room to slice bigger things like bacon or brisket?
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 08, 2020, 06:46:51 PM
No. You have to break it down prior to slicing. It's only a 7.5 inch blade, which means you really only have 3-3.5 inches to work with. So something thicker than that would be problematic.

But, if you're going to make a sammie, how big do you really need? If you're wanting that kind of capacity, you're looking at $700-$1000. 

For $150, I'd start with this thing and if you really want more, think about it long and hard. Unless you want to open a deli.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on April 08, 2020, 06:53:25 PM

For $150, I'd start with this thing and if you really want more, think about it long and hard. Unless you want to open a deli.
'Don't give him any ideas,he's prolly discussing this with his wife as we speak
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 08, 2020, 06:58:51 PM
No. You have to break it down prior to slicing. It's only a 7.5 inch blade, which means you really only have 3-3.5 inches to work with. So something thicker than that would be problematic.

But, if you're going to make a sammie, how big do you really need? If you're wanting that kind of capacity, you're looking at $700-$1000.

For $150, I'd start with this thing and if you really want more, think about it long and hard. Unless you want to open a deli.
It's more about the cutting stroke of the support, not the diameter of the blade...

I.e. a slab of bacon is only 1.5" thick or so, but it's maybe 8" wide/long.

A brisket flat won't be more than maybe 2.5" thick at its maximum, but I know I've seen brisket flats easily 10" wide/long.

So you need enough stroke to fully retract the meat and start the next slice... I'm wondering how long the stroke is. 

'Don't give him any ideas,he's prolly discussing this with his wife as we speak
I'm an engineer... Who wants to take that pay cut? 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on April 08, 2020, 07:02:05 PM
I'm an engineer... Who wants to take that pay cut?
I dunno I know a family that has a fatastic Deli/Bakery,they've(the Family - Kids) all have done well and have 3 locations around town
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on April 08, 2020, 08:00:16 PM
Restaurant biz is tough. I grew up in it. 

No desire ever to get back into it that's for sure.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 08, 2020, 08:01:45 PM
Restaurant biz is tough. I grew up in it.

No desire ever to get back into it that's for sure.
Do you ship?
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: utee94 on April 08, 2020, 08:06:31 PM
Yeah...uhhh... no.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: FearlessF on April 08, 2020, 08:51:09 PM
easier to move into his neighborhood 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 08, 2020, 10:28:22 PM
The wife and I are going to a local restaurant tomorrow I've mentioned a few times to help pack boxes with food for hospitality workers out of a job.  Each box has a meal for a family of four.  It's not much of course, but it's a something.

The GM of this place is superb, and so is their food.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on April 09, 2020, 01:21:09 AM

It's been IMO, the biggest downside to analytics in all sports (at least football, basketball and baseball).  It's led to monolithic thinking, and a product that is not visually appealing.  You know what is the most efficient football?  Running to the line, standing there, and running one of like 4 plays.  The most efficient basketball?  Just jacking up threes, not within any sort of offensive flow?  

I'm not questioning that the methods are the most efficient.  But the diversity in the sports has unquestionably declined, and from a viewer standpoint, to me, it seems like the most "efficient" strategies, are the least watchable.

I stand in disagreement with this in both sports.

Flip on an old OSU-Michigan game. It's not particularly aesthetic. A lot of 1-back and I-form power and iso, with QBs who are poor at throwing ball. We still have air raids, power spreads, option teams, QB run teams, a few I teams (MSU!). 

I don't know if basketball is more or less diverse per say (I tend to think the diversity is about the same, give or take more of a dearth of hammer the post teams), but go back and watch basketball and you just have eras of either sloppy or unwatchable basketball. Even the glory years of the 80s, you just had a lot of bad players firing up kinda crappy shots giving way to the iso-heavy era. I had an old Wade-Bron game from the 2003 season come on at one point. And lord it was awful. 
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 09, 2020, 07:56:08 AM
I'm wondering how long the stroke is.

Not long enough for what you want to do with bacon.
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 09, 2020, 08:44:31 AM
We still walk every day, 2.5-3.5 miles usually.  I've been mixing walking in the park with the subdivision north of us.  Most of the houses date from the 1920s and have interesting designs.  One typical feature is a large front porch, which is an alien concept to the wife, but she understands it now.

The buildings and houses in France typically have very thick walls.  They do not use wood frame clad construction, they basically stack a version of a cinder block with metal pintels where needed.  The older building can have a exterior wall thickness of several feet.  And they have functional shutters to keep light out.  They lack AC so all this keeps he interior cool in brief heat episodes, which is what they more typically endure.  This is why a prolonged hot spell can cause major issues.

Our older homes had a front porch for sitting after dinner and possibly a whole house fan (before AC).  Once the sun set, they'd retire, and it could be sticky at night.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ansley_Park (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ansley_Park)

The area declined some in the 1970s but recovered since.  
Title: Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 09, 2020, 09:53:33 AM
The buildings and houses in France typically have very thick walls.  They do not use wood frame clad construction, they basically stack a version of a cinder block with metal pintels where needed.  The older building can have a exterior wall thickness of several feet.  And they have functional shutters to keep light out.  They lack AC so all this keeps he interior cool in brief heat episodes, which is what they more typically endure.  This is why a prolonged hot spell can cause major issues.

Our older homes had a front porch for sitting after dinner and possibly a whole house fan (before AC).  Once the sun set, they'd retire, and it could be sticky at night.
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