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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #728 on: March 11, 2020, 09:28:19 AM »
Did China sign the Paris thing?

I'm sure they keep tabs on their own emissions. I'm also sure they lie about it.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #729 on: March 11, 2020, 09:39:58 AM »
Overall I suspect China's numbers to be underreported by a factor of 10 or so.  My suppliers' factories in regions nowhere near the primary outbreak areas, have been completely shut down now for almost 2 months.  That never, ever happens.  Even during CNY and Golden Week, they always have at least a skeleton crew.  But right now?  Nothing.  And they still don't know when they're coming back online.

The COVID19 case numbers they are reporting to the WHO would suggest they're containing it. 

The reality suggests something else.
China is taking some drastic steps to reduce transmission.  For example, people are told not to leave their house, and trips for shopping are limited, and schools are all online.  They've even limited elevators to four people at a time.  So I don't think the lack of factory output is necessarily suggesting they are lying.  

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #730 on: March 11, 2020, 09:40:59 AM »
Did China sign the Paris thing?

I'm sure they keep tabs on their own emissions. I'm also sure they lie about it.
Yes, I believe they and the US signed it on the same day.

And yes, I'm sure they are

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #731 on: March 11, 2020, 09:50:10 AM »
Did China sign the Paris thing?

I'm sure they keep tabs on their own emissions. I'm also sure they lie about it.
They did, but they have no real obligations until 2030.  And even then, if they miss, it doesn't matter, to them.  China has a huge air pollution problem in the normal sense (so do major cities in Europe, but not as bad).  They don't really have a need to "lie".  Folks can estimate their coal usage and calculate CO2 generation.  They are still building coal generating facilities without pollution controls of any sort (or limited sorts).


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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #732 on: March 11, 2020, 10:16:18 AM »
I have a cruise schedule for the last week of March, The Cruise line has offered to let us cancel up to 48 hours before the cruise with full credit for future cruise through December 2022. 

Personally I see no reason to cancel for fear of catching COVID-19. However there is the fear of the ship getting quarantined for several days when we get back. That is the risk vs reward that I am weighing right now. So far as I know 2 cruise ships have been quarantined returning to the US so far. I will probably wait up until the 48 hours to see if any more ships have it happened before making a decision. 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #733 on: March 11, 2020, 10:27:59 AM »
We canceled ours, based on quarantine fears. We're young and healthy so I wasn't worried about the virus. I was worried about getting back to work. We'll probably use the voucher for our 2021 Trans-Atlantic.

Airfare (points) has also been completely refunded. So, we'll spend a week or two at our new place in Florida, painting and remodeling a bathroom.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #734 on: March 11, 2020, 10:31:14 AM »
I figure spending an extra week on a cruise ship would be "OK" with us if I had internet and reading materials.

We have a balcony suite so some exposure to the outside.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #735 on: March 11, 2020, 10:33:32 AM »
However there is the fear of the ship getting quarantined for several days when we get back.
Yup, that's the issue

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #736 on: March 11, 2020, 10:42:00 AM »
April 6 is our departure date for Istanbul, no cruise involved, I think is possible air travel to Europe will be curtailed by then.  I guess our cruise in September will be OK.  I have not yet made air reservations, and can delay the cruise if needed.

That one is in the Baltic and I was looking forward to visiting Russia, Finland, and Sweden.  The wife has a good friend in Sweden and we were going to spend 4-5 days with her.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #737 on: March 11, 2020, 10:56:04 AM »
I don't like China. I'd never go there.

One of my SIL is Chinese (1st born American from immigrants) and she took her 4 kids last year. They spent the whole trip with masks on - to breathe safely.

She said she'd never go back, for any reason. I'll heed that.
I loved China when I went (3 trips during ~2015). I'd gladly go back--once this whole Coronavirus thing peters out...

I was in Shanghai and Shenzhen, and Shanghai was quite nice. Shenzhen more dirty, but not horribly so. I've heard Beijing and many other inland cities have terrible pollution, but that wasn't my experience in the coastal cities. 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #738 on: March 11, 2020, 10:58:43 AM »
China is taking some drastic steps to reduce transmission.  For example, people are told not to leave their house, and trips for shopping are limited, and schools are all online.  They've even limited elevators to four people at a time.  So I don't think the lack of factory output is necessarily suggesting they are lying. 
Yeah, one of the guys I know on my homebrew forum is an expat teaching English in Wuhan. They've all been quarantined, and classes are all being taught online. For a few weeks the streets looked post-apocalyptic because of how empty they were, but it seems that as time has gone by, they've been easing up.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #739 on: March 11, 2020, 11:09:46 AM »
I figure spending an extra week on a cruise ship would be "OK" with us if I had internet and reading materials.

We have a balcony suite so some exposure to the outside.
We had a balcony too. The majority of the ship is balcony. I just didn't want to get stuck.

That, and we are very social people*. I'd rather there be 700 people (full capacity) on board than 250. I'm afraid that's what it will be - or even less??


* We met a German couple on our last crossing, as they use the cruise to get to the US, where they own property in Florida. We've now stayed with them once at their place in Italy, and twice in Florida, including a few weeks ago. It's nice to meet new people, and make good friends. We'll visit them in Munich next year, and then take the crossing back to our homes in Florida.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #740 on: March 11, 2020, 11:15:16 AM »
Obviously, the huge cruise liners have a lot of interior cabins, and cabins that only have a window.  Some figure the food is the same so why pay more for a balcony.

I was much happier with our cruise in the Med than either in the US.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #741 on: March 11, 2020, 11:19:53 AM »
I'll never go on one of those big ships again. Did it one time. That was enough.
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