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Cincydawg

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5810 on: August 04, 2020, 03:57:18 PM »
They all screw the middle class indirectly, and many of them also protect the middle class.

There is no bright dividing line.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5811 on: August 04, 2020, 03:58:26 PM »
They all screw the middle class indirectly, and many of them also protect the middle class.

There is no bright dividing line.
Ya there is read the previous post.If you had religion you'd realize this O:-)
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5812 on: August 04, 2020, 04:19:57 PM »
https://www.procon.org/headlines/the-electoral-college-top-3-pros-and-cons/

Reasonable pro con section on the EC is interested.

Often I find "things" get tougher when one considered both sides rationally and without bias.
I don't find it very reasonable at all. The first pro is ridiculous. The electoral college that exists is not what the founding fathers designed, and if someone had been elected that didn't demonstrate proper "qualifications," it is without question Donald Trump.

The second is also false. The electoral college doesn't promote nationwide elections. It promotes the opposite. Giving a large voice to small special interests like "farmers in Iowa" gets you things like ethanol. What about farmers in California? I guess they don't count. In any event, the premiere flaw of the electoral college is that it encourages candidates to ignore voters. I wouldn't call that a pro.

The third is silly. We could easily award the election to whoever gets the most votes. Or not, we could say we want a majority. I don't care a lot either way, but calling this a pro is goofy.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5813 on: August 04, 2020, 04:28:03 PM »
over 200 years ago, perhaps all the states were "swing" states w/o hard lines as red or blue

perhaps all electoral votes counted more than today - Iowa, Nebraska, and Wyoming weren't states yet.

Large cities may not have had large percentages voting one way or another because of poverty and privilege 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5814 on: August 04, 2020, 04:34:45 PM »
I am getting verklempt! Talk amongst yourselves. I will give you a topic:
The Electoral college. 

Did you know that about half off our immigrants are Asian? ( nothing wrong with that)

Did you know that over 80% settle in 2 states, California and New York. ( nothing wrong with that).  That’s millions of people. 

Did you know that in 2017, 71% of California’ a population of 25 and older without a HS diploma were immigrants?  ( nothing wrong with that) 31% of their population with a college degree were immigrants? ( nothing wrong with that)

Now- let’s say our friends in the CCP wanted to sneak a few million of their most loyal communist Citizens into the USA in California and New York, to impact our voting.  Not that far fetched- we have seen their aspirations and they would be but a blip on the radar of total immigrants coming in.  Hell- they may have already done it. 

With the EC in place- their ability to do this is practically eliminated. 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5815 on: August 04, 2020, 04:37:51 PM »
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5816 on: August 04, 2020, 04:41:52 PM »
2020 swing states

If current trends from the 2012 and 2016 elections continue, the closest results in 2020 will occur in Arizona, Florida, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin

What if the CCP was smarter and snuck a few million of their most loyal communist Citizens into the USA in Arizona and Floriduh?
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5817 on: August 04, 2020, 04:47:03 PM »
I am getting verklempt! Talk amongst yourselves. I will give you a topic:
The Electoral college.

Did you know that about half off our immigrants are Asian? ( nothing wrong with that)

Did you know that over 80% settle in 2 states, California and New York. ( nothing wrong with that).  That’s millions of people.

Did you know that in 2017, 71% of California’ a population of 25 and older without a HS diploma were immigrants?  ( nothing wrong with that) 31% of their population with a college degree were immigrants? ( nothing wrong with that)

Now- let’s say our friends in the CCP wanted to sneak a few million of their most loyal communist Citizens into the USA in California and New York, to impact our voting.  Not that far fetched- we have seen their aspirations and they would be but a blip on the radar of total immigrants coming in.  Hell- they may have already done it.

With the EC in place- their ability to do this is practically eliminated.


Like Fearless alludes to - that kind of chicanery is encouraged by the electoral college.  Because some states are punching way above their station, a few million extra voters in, say Florida, could actually swing the entire election.  A popular vote eliminates that, because it would just add extra votes.  It wouldn't matter if they voted out of New York or California or Wyoming, because every vote would count exactly the same.  

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5818 on: August 04, 2020, 05:00:14 PM »
I am getting verklempt! Talk amongst yourselves. I will give you a topic:
The Electoral college.

Did you know that about half off our immigrants are Asian? ( nothing wrong with that)

Did you know that over 80% settle in 2 states, California and New York. ( nothing wrong with that).  That’s millions of people.

Did you know that in 2017, 71% of California’ a population of 25 and older without a HS diploma were immigrants?  ( nothing wrong with that) 31% of their population with a college degree were immigrants? ( nothing wrong with that)

Now- let’s say our friends in the CCP wanted to sneak a few million of their most loyal communist Citizens into the USA in California and New York, to impact our voting.  Not that far fetched- we have seen their aspirations and they would be but a blip on the radar of total immigrants coming in.  Hell- they may have already done it.

With the EC in place- their ability to do this is practically eliminated.
This implies those immigrants couldn't leave either NY or California. They can. 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5819 on: August 04, 2020, 05:04:16 PM »
This implies those immigrants couldn't leave either NY or California. They can.
If they are ordered to stay, they can't.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5820 on: August 04, 2020, 05:15:14 PM »
Like Fearless alludes to - that kind of chicanery is encouraged by the electoral college.  Because some states are punching way above their station, a few million extra voters in, say Florida, could actually swing the entire election.  A popular vote eliminates that, because it would just add extra votes.  It wouldn't matter if they voted out of New York or California or Wyoming, because every vote would count exactly the same. 
But a few million extra voters from Asia in any state but New York or California would not go unnoticed. It would jump right off the page.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5821 on: August 04, 2020, 05:16:40 PM »
Now- let’s say our friends in the CCP wanted to sneak a few million of their most loyal communist Citizens into the USA in California and New York, to impact our voting.  Not that far fetched- we have seen their aspirations and they would be but a blip on the radar of total immigrants coming in.  Hell- they may have already done it.
You realize that immigrants have to go through a significant years-long process to become US citizens, right? And they can't vote until they are citizens? 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5822 on: August 04, 2020, 05:22:49 PM »
You realize that immigrants have to go through a significant years-long process to become US citizens, right? And they can't vote until they are citizens?
I think it's fair to say we are working on the last few beers in the case once conspiracies about China sending people to covertly vote in our election.  Still, I've got an Oktoberfest and I'm watching hockey and I'm definitely here for it.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5823 on: August 04, 2020, 05:23:56 PM »
But a few million extra voters from Asia in any state but New York or California would not go unnoticed. It would jump right off the page.
Perhaps Cuba will send voters to Florida

 

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