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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3220 on: June 10, 2020, 11:02:29 AM »
I guess those ladies didn't think she was genuine in her support of their cause
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3221 on: June 10, 2020, 11:04:18 AM »
I guess those ladies didn't think she was genuine in her support of their cause
Wow. Tough crowd. There is no way to be correct. 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3222 on: June 10, 2020, 11:42:08 AM »
Finally got a chance to actually drive the Jeep with the new stereo. Holy cow what an improvement!

It was a short jaunt, as I had to transfer the kids back to their mom this morning. 

On the way over there, I heard background vocals on The Raconteurs' Steady As She Goes that I'd never heard before. I was worried that as it was streaming (SiriusXM app) that the limited quality of the source would limit the value of the stereo components, but it was great.

After dropping them off, I threw in a CD of Dr Dre's 2001 album, and turned it up a little more. Though the sub is only 8", it's plenty when you push a couple hundred watts through it. More bass than that would be unbalanced for my taste.

It's still not fully tuned, as I haven't had time, so I just set the gains to midpoint and crossover to the specified frequency range of the sub. Probably need to play around with the radio's EQ as well as I think the treble is a little too high. But man, I forgot what it was like to have a GOOD system. 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3223 on: June 10, 2020, 11:43:27 AM »
Finally got a chance to actually drive the Jeep with the new stereo. Holy cow what an improvement!

It was a short jaunt, as I had to transfer the kids back to their mom this morning.

On the way over there, I heard background vocals on The Raconteurs' Steady As She Goes that I'd never heard before. I was worried that as it was streaming (SiriusXM app) that the limited quality of the source would limit the value of the stereo components, but it was great.

After dropping them off, I threw in a CD of Dr Dre's 2001 album, and turned it up a little more. Though the sub is only 8", it's plenty when you push a couple hundred watts through it. More bass than that would be unbalanced for my taste.

It's still not fully tuned, as I haven't had time, so I just set the gains to midpoint and crossover to the specified frequency range of the sub. Probably need to play around with the radio's EQ as well as I think the treble is a little too high. But man, I forgot what it was like to have a GOOD system.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3224 on: June 10, 2020, 11:56:22 AM »
pretty sure I'm glad I'm not familiar with Dr. Dre's album
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3225 on: June 10, 2020, 11:59:25 AM »
The stock stereo in my F150 is really good.  The stock stereo in my Tahoe was outstanding.  The one in the new Jeep... isn't great.  It's mostly the speakers.  Poor frequency response, poor sound quality.  I think the head unit is fine, but new speakers are on the list.

The stock sound system on the Toyota convertible was pretty bad too, even though it was their JBL premium sound or whatever, and I had to replace their POS OEM subwoofer twice before I said eff it and installed a custom replacement, that I had to fabricate a new mounting bracket for, because they intentionally chose a non-standard size for their OEM sub.  I put in all new speakers and a new head unit at the same time.  And then we sold it a year later...

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3226 on: June 10, 2020, 12:05:29 PM »



1. James Franklin, Penn State

2. Ryan Day, Ohio State

3. Jim Harbaugh, Michigan

4. Kirk Ferentz, Iowa

5. P.J. Fleck, Minnesota

6. Paul Chryst, Wisconsin

7. Pat Fitzgerald, Northwestern

8. Scott Frost, Nebraska

9. Greg Schiano, Rutgers

10. Jeff Brohm, Purdue

11. Tom Allen, Indiana

12. Lovie Smith, Illinois

13. Mel Tucker, Michigan State

14. Mike Locksley, Maryland

https://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/2020/06/big-ten-coach-rankings-where-does-rutgers-greg-schiano-land-whos-no-1.html


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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3227 on: June 10, 2020, 12:09:19 PM »
I think some folks confuse noise level and booming base with a good sound system.  I can hear it as they drive past at times.  (I'm not referring to anyone discussing this here.)    The wife's Caddy came with some kind of upgraded sound system, I would have been fine with the base, and that car was fairly quiet at speed.  I never felt a reason to turn it up very loud.  Of course, I'm an old fart.

The GTI is not as quiet, and also has an upgraded stereo, and it's fine, I suppose.  The only time I really care much is when I'm at home anyway, but I can see in a Jeep why a better system would be more enjoyable.

I was surprised how much better my home system sounded when I upgraded my receiver.  The old Onkyo was 15 years old and I gather it makes a difference.  It's sitting in my office, I never hooked it up even though I have speakers here I could use.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3228 on: June 10, 2020, 12:14:43 PM »

Fwiw it is spelled bass, like the fish. Not base, like the sporting equipment. 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3229 on: June 10, 2020, 12:20:19 PM »
I meant the base stereo system in the car instead of the upgrade.  The GTI is the Autobahn series and the Caddy was the next to the top trim line.  One thing I miss now is the memory seat.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3230 on: June 10, 2020, 12:25:34 PM »
I think some folks confuse noise level and booming base with a good sound system.  I can hear it as they drive past at times.  (I'm not referring to anyone discussing this here.)    The wife's Caddy came with some kind of upgraded sound system, I would have been fine with the base, and that car was fairly quiet at speed.  I never felt a reason to turn it up very loud.  Of course, I'm an old fart.

The GTI is not as quiet, and also has an upgraded stereo, and it's fine, I suppose.  The only time I really care much is when I'm at home anyway, but I can see in a Jeep why a better system would be more enjoyable.

I was surprised how much better my home system sounded when I upgraded my receiver.  The old Onkyo was 15 years old and I gather it makes a difference.  It's sitting in my office, I never hooked it up even though I have speakers here I could use.
This old fart likes to play his classic rock music loud and my loss of hearing shows it. 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3231 on: June 10, 2020, 12:26:12 PM »
Oh okay. My bad. 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3232 on: June 10, 2020, 12:35:08 PM »
I crank up some classical pieces at home, when the wife allows it.  Or she isn't home.  She worries about the neighbor, who has told her he has never heard it.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3233 on: June 10, 2020, 01:05:34 PM »
I think some folks confuse noise level and booming base with a good sound system.  I can hear it as they drive past at times.  (I'm not referring to anyone discussing this here.)   
Yeah, I get that. The one thing that I will say is that when you hear a sound system from outside the car, you probably don't get any real sense of what sort of fidelity exists inside the car. The bass is the only thing that really travels outside the car.

But I think there are a lot of people who think that loud = good.


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The wife's Caddy came with some kind of upgraded sound system, I would have been fine with the base, and that car was fairly quiet at speed.
What pisses me off the most about this build is that I ended up originally getting the Rubicon with the "Premium" audio system. And each thing that Jeep added to the system just made the rebuild worse...

  • It's customary to drive amplifiers with line-level outputs instead of amplified speaker outputs. But because they cheaped out and used the stock head unit, their system drives the amplifier with speaker-level outputs. This ends up amplifying noise. 
  • Replacing the head unit but not the amp ends up losing out on all fade control, because they control the fade in the amplifier using the CAN bus from the radio, not using the actual speaker outputs. 
  • It's normal when you have main speakers and tweeters (component speakers) to drive them together with one channel and then use a crossover between the two. Instead, they gave each tweeter its own channel. That's just one reason the stock amplifier is an 8-channel amp unnecessarily. 
  • They didn't even put highpass filters on the amplifier channels going to the tweeters, instead using an RC circuit at the tweeter itself with a RIDICULOUS filtering frequency. As such, the stock "Premium" system has tweeters in pillars on the dash that you can't even hear. One of the first things I did was change a capacitor on each tweeter to reduce the frequency at which the highpass allows signal. This in itself was a huge improvement and I could hear the tweeters after that.
  • Everything in the amplifier is 2 ohm outputs, while the most common aftermarket speakers are 4 ohm speakers. And of course the stock speakers for the base system are 4 ohm, and the aftermarket speakers Mopar recommends are 4 ohm, without mentioning that the premium amp is 2 ohm.
  • They allot another 2 channels for the subwoofer. Which is good, in the sense that they are at least doubling output to 90W instead of 45W. But that's still underpowered for a sub. But a better-designed amp that had a mono channel for the sub might have been a better idea. 

All told, the design decisions made for the "Premium" system aren't very premium. And worse, the system was so intertwined as designed that the only way to make it right was to replace everything. 


 

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