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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3234 on: June 10, 2020, 01:55:40 PM »
Ive been delegated to listening to music with my earphones from my lap top

Im envious 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3235 on: June 10, 2020, 02:49:38 PM »
I found a spray called No-no-see-um. It's made with natural oils and water. It's the only thing that has worked for me.

https://nonoseeum.com/

They're called gnats in FL.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3236 on: June 10, 2020, 02:51:03 PM »
I guess those ladies didn't think she was genuine in her support of their cause
Is that what your daughter said?
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3237 on: June 10, 2020, 02:56:04 PM »
If it was? It actually is. 50% white, 25% black and 25% Hispanic. We discussed this.
Overall population percentages:
60 white
13 black
18 hispanic

I'd be pissed if my race was being murdered while unarmed at twice the rate.  I think we all would.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3238 on: June 10, 2020, 03:25:18 PM »
I can tell you the mortgage market is robust.  My team’s pipeline of applications is as voluminous as is has benn in years.  Granted- about 70% of it is refinance. And, Florida has large populations moving in from the Northeast states to escape super high tax rates.
And the funny thing is that the "immigrants" will tend to vote for higher taxes, like the ones they have just fled.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3239 on: June 10, 2020, 03:31:52 PM »
Yeah, I get that. The one thing that I will say is that when you hear a sound system from outside the car, you probably don't get any real sense of what sort of fidelity exists inside the car. The bass is the only thing that really travels outside the car.

But I think there are a lot of people who think that loud = good.

What pisses me off the most about this build is that I ended up originally getting the Rubicon with the "Premium" audio system. And each thing that Jeep added to the system just made the rebuild worse...

  • It's customary to drive amplifiers with line-level outputs instead of amplified speaker outputs. But because they cheaped out and used the stock head unit, their system drives the amplifier with speaker-level outputs. This ends up amplifying noise.
  • Replacing the head unit but not the amp ends up losing out on all fade control, because they control the fade in the amplifier using the CAN bus from the radio, not using the actual speaker outputs.
  • It's normal when you have main speakers and tweeters (component speakers) to drive them together with one channel and then use a crossover between the two. Instead, they gave each tweeter its own channel. That's just one reason the stock amplifier is an 8-channel amp unnecessarily.
  • They didn't even put highpass filters on the amplifier channels going to the tweeters, instead using an RC circuit at the tweeter itself with a RIDICULOUS filtering frequency. As such, the stock "Premium" system has tweeters in pillars on the dash that you can't even hear. One of the first things I did was change a capacitor on each tweeter to reduce the frequency at which the highpass allows signal. This in itself was a huge improvement and I could hear the tweeters after that.
  • Everything in the amplifier is 2 ohm outputs, while the most common aftermarket speakers are 4 ohm speakers. And of course the stock speakers for the base system are 4 ohm, and the aftermarket speakers Mopar recommends are 4 ohm, without mentioning that the premium amp is 2 ohm.
  • They allot another 2 channels for the subwoofer. Which is good, in the sense that they are at least doubling output to 90W instead of 45W. But that's still underpowered for a sub. But a better-designed amp that had a mono channel for the sub might have been a better idea.

All told, the design decisions made for the "Premium" system aren't very premium. And worse, the system was so intertwined as designed that the only way to make it right was to replace everything.
Is this a general thing?  Is it generally better when buying a new car to go with the standard sound system and upgrade with after-market equipment?
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3240 on: June 10, 2020, 03:32:58 PM »
I guess those ladies didn't think she was genuine in her support of their cause
You can't expand your base of support if you won't accept converts.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3241 on: June 10, 2020, 03:39:35 PM »
Is this a general thing?  Is it generally better when buying a new car to go with the standard sound system and upgrade with after-market equipment?
We used to have a "radio delete" option.  The upgraded sound systems are often very expensive pricewise.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3242 on: June 10, 2020, 03:40:11 PM »
Overall population percentages:
60 white
13 black
18 hispanic

I'd be pissed if my race was being murdered while unarmed at twice the rate.  I think we all would.
Do you ever accept evidence contrary to what you believe?
There have been several studies that show that African Americans are not being killed at a higher rate than whites under the same circumstances.  The reasons that African Americans are killed at twice the rate that whites are is because they commit the type of crimes that may end in deadly confrontations at a higher rate than whites do.
African Americans are being hassled, harrassed, and pushed around by police much more than whites doing the same things.  That's where the real racial disparity is.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3243 on: June 10, 2020, 03:41:26 PM »
We used to have a "radio delete" option.  The upgraded sound systems are often very expensive pricewise.
Are you referring to the manufacturers' upgraded systems or after-market?
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3244 on: June 10, 2020, 04:02:30 PM »
Is this a general thing?  Is it generally better when buying a new car to go with the standard sound system and upgrade with after-market equipment?
Ehh, not necessarily. My Ford Flex has the premium sound system and I don't think I'll ever make a single change to it. For that vehicle, "good" is good enough.

For any serious audiophile, if you go into a purchase KNOWING you're going aftermarket eventually, it's usually better to go with the standard system and build it your own way. Otherwise you're paying for upgraded components that you're going to throw away. Because the standard systems are basically never as high quality as high-end aftermarket components, but you pay a premium buying it. 

It's like the difference between a turnkey house and a fixer upper. Turnkey is great if you don't plan on changing things. If you find a turnkey house and it's got acceptable finishings, even if they're not perfect, and you're not going to change it, turnkey is easy. If you know that you're really particular and you have a unique vision for how a house should come together, a fixer upper is often better because your acquisition cost is lower and you're not just wasting money on the last owner's upgrades which you're going to throw away. 

I think I know how Jeep got there, of course. They started specifying a premium audio package that could be as common across multiple vehicle lines as possible. I neglected to mention that the stock amp isn't just an amp, it's a sound processor. So my guess is that by standardizing on a head unit across multiple vehicles, and an amp/sound processor across multiple vehicles, they have commonality of parts supply and they can just program the sound processor for each vehicle based on its configuration. Maybe the other vehicles really make better use of an 8-channel amp, in a fully enclosed SUV, and sound great, and they shoe-horned it into the Wrangler. I doubt that the design was, from the start, Wrangler-specific. I think if it was, they'd have done things differently. 

My Jeep was bought to be a daily driver. I never intended to upgrade the stereo, and frankly the job got away from me lol... It was only when I replaced the head unit, which I had to do because 2009 head units didn't have Bluetooth, that I started to go down the rabbit hole and see how inadequate the stock system was. 

But what I ended up with was a system that's higher-end than stock, that was picked specifically to meet my likes, dislikes, and budget. 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3245 on: June 10, 2020, 04:03:33 PM »
Are you referring to the manufacturers' upgraded systems or after-market?
You could order a car with no radio "radio delete option", and save a few bucks.  The wiring was there.  Then you could easily drop in an aftermarket whatever.

This was when car radios would get stolen left and right if you had a nice one.  Like a Blaupunkt with Quadraphonic Sound.  But what I needed was a curve ball.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3246 on: June 10, 2020, 04:34:36 PM »
This was when car radios would get stolen left and right if you had a nice one.  Like a Blaupunkt with Quadraphonic Sound.  
That was a huge thing in this build.

In a car without a top, I wanted to avoid anything that screamed "there's a good audio system here" to the world. In another car, I'd probably have gone for a head unit with a fancy touchscreen, but instead ended up choosing a head unit that had the audio specs I wanted but looks pretty low-end. 

I selected an amp that had all the specs I wanted, but that I knew was small enough to be hidden in the dash. The Jeep already has no trunk space, so I didn't want to put it there, and I didn't want it to be even slightly conspicuous being mounted somewhere like under the seat. 

I think aftermarket radios in general are a lot less common these days--because every car doesn't have a radio, it has an "infotainment system" now. I think for those vehicles, replacing things like speakers and amplifiers is easy, but many people don't want to get rid of all the rest of the integrated system.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3247 on: June 10, 2020, 04:55:01 PM »
That was a huge thing in this build.

In a car without a top, I wanted to avoid anything that screamed "there's a good audio system here" to the world. In another car, I'd probably have gone for a head unit with a fancy touchscreen, but instead ended up choosing a head unit that had the audio specs I wanted but looks pretty low-end.

I selected an amp that had all the specs I wanted, but that I knew was small enough to be hidden in the dash. The Jeep already has no trunk space, so I didn't want to put it there, and I didn't want it to be even slightly conspicuous being mounted somewhere like under the seat.

I think aftermarket radios in general are a lot less common these days--because every car doesn't have a radio, it has an "infotainment system" now. I think for those vehicles, replacing things like speakers and amplifiers is easy, but many people don't want to get rid of all the rest of the integrated system.
Totally agree.  That's one reason I'm okay with sticking to the Jeep's current head unit and just upgrading speakers.  And to be honest, it's a high-end Rubicon with leather seats and the best head unit that Jeep installs in these things, with SatNav, SatRad, integrated HDD, and lots of other bells and whistles for controlling the car's systems.    

 

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