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MaximumSam

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6860 on: August 26, 2020, 01:55:20 PM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on August 26, 2020, 01:48:09 PM
He may have over reacted but the driver has a responsibility to act slowly and to get permission for any action he needs to take
Why is that? Why do we have this special rule that somehow we are inviting summary execution from the government of we don't act slowly and ask permission to do things like reach for our wallet after being instructed to?  
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6861 on: August 26, 2020, 01:56:46 PM »
This cop didn't get "cleared" obviously.  I don't agree with the notion that cops "get cleared" easily and after they made a mistake.  I'm sure some do.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6862 on: August 26, 2020, 01:57:42 PM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on August 26, 2020, 01:53:23 PM
building straw men
It is not a straw man. Police pointing their gun at people has become somewhat disturbingly common and accepted
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6863 on: August 26, 2020, 01:58:06 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on August 26, 2020, 01:49:27 PM
Absolutely. Deadly shootings are not the norm, though they are a bit of the tip of the iceberg - how many people end up with a gun pointed at them, or are detained far longer than necessary?
Once again, there are bad people in all professions. The SC case is an abnormality, not that it excuses the officers actions. But it is NOT typical of 99.999% of traffic stops, regardless of the race of the person being pulled over.

The simple solution is to comply with the officers orders, tell the officer your intention if you need to retrieve something from the vehicle and show both or your hands to the officer to let them know you are not a threat. Police officers all want to go home at the end of their shift. They are used to dealing with the worst people in our society and may have a hard time believing that the person they pulled over is any different. Give the officer some respect and appreciate that he does not know you or your intentions. He just wants to make it home safely. 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6864 on: August 26, 2020, 02:00:20 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on August 26, 2020, 01:57:42 PM
It is not a straw man. Police pointing their gun at people has become somewhat disturbingly common and accepted
On what do you base your presumption that it "has become somewhat disturbingly common"?
Or accepted?

Is this some new trend for which you can show data?
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6865 on: August 26, 2020, 02:02:04 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on August 26, 2020, 01:57:42 PM
It is not a straw man. Police pointing their gun at people has become somewhat disturbingly common and accepted
A claim with zero evidence to back it
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6866 on: August 26, 2020, 02:03:03 PM »
Quote from: NorthernOhioBuckeye on August 26, 2020, 01:58:06 PM
Once again, there are bad people in all professions. The SC case is an abnormality, not that it excuses the officers actions. But it is NOT typical of 99.999% of traffic stops, regardless of the race of the person being pulled over.

The simple solution is to comply with the officers orders, tell the officer your intention if you need to retrieve something from the vehicle and show both or your hands to the officer to let them know you are not a threat. Police officers all want to go home at the end of their shift. They are used to dealing with the worst people in our society and may have a hard time believing that the person they pulled over is any different. Give the officer some respect and appreciate that he does not know you or your intentions. He just wants to make it home safely.
Literally everyone just wants to make it home at the end of their shift. Pizza delivery drivers are notoriously victimized yet I've never thought I should ask permission before reaching for my wallet when dealing with them.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6867 on: August 26, 2020, 02:04:16 PM »
Quote from: Kris60 on August 26, 2020, 01:44:37 PM
Totally agree. Guy did nothing wrong and the cop overreacted. Can we agree that is the exception to the rule?
How many exceptions until it's a rule?



For a white person, a traffic stop endangers your wallet.
For a black person, a traffic stop endangers your life.  
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6868 on: August 26, 2020, 02:04:34 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on August 26, 2020, 01:44:30 PM
The townsfolk arrested wasn't from the town
Antioch, IL. It borders Kenosha County. Sounds like answered a call to arms from the local militia. Sad all the way around. It's too bad this is still the first and only arrest in this whole thing.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6869 on: August 26, 2020, 02:08:24 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on August 26, 2020, 11:30:30 AM
When you assume...

You are not assuming correctly.
OK. So the follow up would be, does the insurance cover riots or civil unrest? 

If it doesn't, it's a moot point. If it does, it means someones drive for rhetorical flourish put these businesses in bad spots. I'm trying to understand if it's the former or the latter. 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6870 on: August 26, 2020, 02:09:45 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on August 26, 2020, 02:03:03 PM
Literally everyone just wants to make it home at the end of their shift. Pizza delivery drivers are notoriously victimized yet I've never thought I should ask permission before reaching for my wallet when dealing with them.
Comparing apples to Oldsmobile's.

I don't know of any pizza delivery drivers that openly carry with the authority to arrest you. 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6871 on: August 26, 2020, 02:11:07 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on August 26, 2020, 12:29:14 PM
this is why ESPN makes for crap background noise

I don't do it
Good background imagery though. I worked in offices where we have TVs just running. Sometimes they flipped to local news and left them there.

It got super weird with afternoon soaps. 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6872 on: August 26, 2020, 02:11:30 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on August 26, 2020, 02:04:16 PM
For a black person, a traffic stop endangers your life. 
How many black people are killed by police in a traffic stop in a year?  How many are without justification?

Is this a serious danger?  Or just something people hype with no data?
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6873 on: August 26, 2020, 02:14:01 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on August 26, 2020, 02:11:30 PM
How many black people are killed by police in a traffic stop in a year?  How many are without justification?

Is this a serious danger?  Or just something people hype with no data?
Depends where you live.  
A lot of black parents have to sit their son down and have a talk with them that my parents never needed to have with me.  And it's about traffic stops.
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