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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7840 on: August 31, 2020, 04:01:03 PM »
Quote from: SFBadger96 on August 31, 2020, 03:54:55 PM
The government's Bureau of Labor Statistics disagrees with you.
that's OK, I can agree to disagree

besides, most union workers are working for the government
perhaps the government is the issue here?

perhaps the city and the county and the state should work toward being a better employer 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7841 on: August 31, 2020, 04:02:39 PM »
Quote from: SFBadger96 on August 31, 2020, 01:52:46 PM
Bwar, I'm up on all of that and generally agree with the concept. But I think the details are pretty hard to work out. What we're saying when we say end the war on drugs is ending the police intervention in the drug trade? Presumably, like with alcohol and nicotine, we would legalize, standardize, and regulate (as opposed to criminlizing) the sale of mind-altering drugs?

Is there any limit to that? Legalize and regulate all drugs? Heroin, cocaine, meth, fentanyl?

[I'm doing a terrible job of staying out of this thread...]


I've wondered about this, I would legalize them all.  You could go to clinics and get your drug du jour for free, or at low cost to undercut the black market.  If you made some profit, it would go to drug prevention and rehab.  Fentanyl, I'd say no, because it is so dangerous, and folks can get their high on normal opiods without, it's used to "cut" opiods in effect.  The idea is to cut the legs out of the profit motive for gangs, what else would they do these days?

And yes, some people would OD and some would live horrible lives.  Which is no change.  Each person could get a card with their name and photo and they could access whatever drugs they wanted in dosed amounts.  The drugs would be "pure", no fentanyl, nothing used to cut stuff to make it more powerful and lethal.  You want cocaine?  Here ya go.  In Philadelphia, it's worth fifty bucks.

No gangs now, or at least smaller less powerful gangs.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7842 on: August 31, 2020, 04:05:06 PM »
Fearless, your opinions are getting in the way of you paying attention to the facts.

A much higher percentage of government workers is unionized than in the private sector, but the private sector is much, much bigger than the public sector, and as a result there are more private sector union members than public sector ones.

The BLS article specifically addresses private union vs. non-union jobs.

You are, of course, entitled to your opinions, but don't confuse them with facts.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7843 on: August 31, 2020, 04:06:27 PM »
Quote from: SFBadger96 on August 31, 2020, 04:05:06 PM
Fearless, your opinions are getting in the way of you paying attention to the facts.
I like my opinions to bear little relationship to facts.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7844 on: August 31, 2020, 04:09:07 PM »
We went out to lunch today to a tapas place called Bulla, which is pretty good, and they have a nice patio.  They served the wife, and not me, and still not me, and still not me.  The wife went inside to find a manager.  She came out and explained they got hit with a health inspection just as my order went in and they could not do anything.  Now, it was 2 PM, so they weren't crowded.  She comped the whole meal and got my order to go plus two more free beers.

And they passed the inspection to boot.

We left $20 for the server, not his fault, though he should have explained the deal.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7845 on: August 31, 2020, 04:09:12 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on August 31, 2020, 03:29:35 PM
the individual seems to have as much power as the corrupt union

as stated, union shops don't usually get paid more than non-union shops
Fearless there is more corruption at the top than anywhere.Follow the moneyWhy the F*** do Corporate cocks hire Lobbyists to push thru more unfair practices,regulations,taxes or their huge loop holes and a slew of other benefits.Look at the Golden parachutes the freaks from the gated communities are raking in,some had been massive failures and walked away richer than they ever were.Look at Roger Goodell F****** making 49 million(a year) for a F****** game and demanding health care for his whole family. they already gave him eneough to do that.Then tax my beer your stoogies and we can hardly go to the games.Just one pathetic example.Hell during the 2008 housing crises AIG collapsed.Washington bails them out.You'd think they'd be humble,contrite reflective NO!!!The BBC followed their President,Chairmen of the Board and Directors over to some Swiss/Austrian Chalet in the ALPS and filmed as the treated themselves for that smashing performance  as they celebrated.As far as I'm concerned anyone one of the afore mentioned should be taken to Alcatrez and eviscerated with a wooden spoon then fed to the sharks
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7846 on: August 31, 2020, 04:13:10 PM »
you're probably right

in my area of the country there are fewer unions in the private sector, but those few unions may have as many or more employees as government unions.

my opinions come from my experiences, of course

my Father worked for a government (county) union for 36 years

I was in the meat packing industry too long, I worked in union plants and non-union plants - big difference
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7847 on: August 31, 2020, 04:13:32 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on August 31, 2020, 04:06:27 PM
I like my opinions to bear little relationship to facts.
Think Orange Gator Guy hacked CD's account
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7848 on: August 31, 2020, 04:14:32 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on August 31, 2020, 04:02:39 PM
I've wondered about this, I would legalize them all.  You could go to clinics and get your drug du jour for free, or at low cost to undercut the black market.  If you made some profit, it would go to drug prevention and rehab.  Fentanyl, I'd say no, because it is so dangerous, and folks can get their high on normal opiods without, it's used to "cut" opiods in effect.  The idea is to cut the legs out of the profit motive for gangs, what else would they do these days?

And yes, some people would OD and some would live horrible lives.  Which is no change.  Each person could get a card with their name and photo and they could access whatever drugs they wanted in dosed amounts.  The drugs would be "pure", no fentanyl, nothing used to cut stuff to make it more powerful and lethal.  You want cocaine?  Here ya go.  In Philadelphia, it's worth fifty bucks.

No gangs now, or at least smaller less powerful gangs.


I support legalization in general.  It does get dicey when you get into the really hard and dangerous stuff.

But for this statement, I'll say, it's wishful thinking. Gangs will always peddle something, whatever is contraband or scarce and easily taken by force.

A few years back there was a bad lime crop in Mexico, and the prices of limes increased dramatically. Instead of 5/$1 or 10/$1, they were more like $1 each.  At that price point, given the scarcity, it didn't take long for the cartels to completely take over the trade.  They brutalized the farmers that wouldn't go along with them, and they warred among each other for the product, to sell into the USA.

There will always be gangs, as long as there is poverty.  But I do think that legalization of most drugs, would make SOME impact to their strength and power.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7849 on: August 31, 2020, 04:15:07 PM »
The folks "down south" in that area 51 site do not like me, at all.  They claim I post too much, at least that's one complaint, there are many.

It's quite "entertaining".
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7850 on: August 31, 2020, 04:18:44 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on August 31, 2020, 04:14:32 PM
But for this statement, I'll say, it's wishful thinking. Gangs will always peddle something, whatever is contraband or scarce and easily taken by force.

A few years back there was a bad lime crop in Mexico, and the prices of limes increased dramatically. Instead of 5/$1 or 10/$1, they were more like $1 each.  At that price point, given the scarcity, it didn't take long for the cartels to completely take over the trade.  They brutalized the farmers that wouldn't go along with them, and they warred among each other for the product, to sell into the USA.

There will always be gangs, as long as there is poverty.  But I do think that legalization of most drugs, would make SOME impact to their strength and power.
Heck, we still have a mafia in this country. Nobody is claiming you'll completely end gangs. But I think the overall result will be an improvement.

Quote from: Cincydawg on August 31, 2020, 04:15:07 PM
The folks "down south" in that area 51 site do not like me, at all.  They claim I post too much, at least that's one complaint, there are many.

It's quite "entertaining".
Didn't you say you don't like when your arguments bear resemblance to facts? Seems like you'd fit in well "down south"...
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7851 on: August 31, 2020, 04:24:40 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on August 31, 2020, 04:15:07 PM
The folks "down south" in that area 51 site do not like me, at all.  They claim I post too much, at least that's one complaint, there are many.

It's quite "entertaining".
this is my feeling on all the the sites I've posted

but, I've usually been surrounded by Texans

but, it is entertaining as all get out
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7852 on: August 31, 2020, 04:27:54 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on August 31, 2020, 04:13:10 PM
I was in the meat packing industry too long, I worked in union plants and non-union plants - big difference
Not defending any improper benefits left or right.For instance GWII after he got in - hired some contractors to decipher radio/phone/internet traffic of  terrorist groups.After the US Treasury ponied up 1.8 Billion to these astute Patriots the program was scuttled.This was on 60 Minutes before the Pirates bought them out.No nothing was done to any of the parties and those funds weren't returned.Yet i got fined 600.00 for one 35 dollar share that I didn't even know I received in some in a company buy out.Couldn't fight it either - i was livid
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7853 on: August 31, 2020, 04:29:46 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on August 31, 2020, 04:09:12 PM
Fearless there is more corruption at the top than anywhere.
big business and Government
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