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CWSooner · « **Reply #1722 on:** April 26, 2020, 10:49:28 PM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on April 26, 2020, 12:36:18 PM

Countries at war tend to over react. I could say France under reacted in May, 1940. It's fascinating to read how entrenched they were in their thinking (ha). They'd fight this war in Belgium instead of northern France and let the Germans run up huge casualties as they dug in on defense.

I have an old US newspaper article from that time noting reports of German motorcycle units breaking through at Sedan. I guess that was what the French HC thought at the time, just some annoying bees. Hitler was very lucky in one sense, and unlucky that it confirmed for him the idea that his concepts were all wonderful.

Another wrongheaded thing it confirmed for him was that Germany didn't need to fully mobilize its economy for war.
They didn't even start doing that until 1942, after the failed conclusion to the 1941 campaign in Russia.

CWSooner · « **Reply #1723 on:** April 26, 2020, 10:50:26 PM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on April 26, 2020, 12:37:10 PM

The worst I ever saw I think was "Battle of the Bulge" with Fonda. It took what really was a fascinating story and turned it into a mess.

"Mess" is right. Literally and figuratively.

CWSooner · « **Reply #1724 on:** April 26, 2020, 11:00:47 PM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on April 26, 2020, 01:08:15 PM

At its peak the U.S. Navy was operating 6,768 ships around VJ Day at the end of August, 1945. The number includes 28 aircraft carriers, 23 battleships, 71 escort carriers, 72 cruisers, 232 submarines and 377 destroyers along with thousands of other ships like destroyer escorts, minesweepers, amphibious landing ships, command ships, supply ships, repair and auxiliary ships of all kinds.

The photo shows the USN 3rd Fleet anchorage at Ulithi Atoll, 8 Dec. 1944 -- just 3 years after Pearl Harbor. The carriers are (from front to back): USS Wasp (CV-18), USS Yorktown (CV-10), USS Hornet (CV-12), USS Hancock (CV-19) and USS Ticonderoga (CV-14). Wasp, Yorktown and Ticonderoga are painted in camouflage Measure 33, Design 10a. The Fletcher class destroyer behind them is probably USS Healy (DD-672), painted in Measure S31/21D.

Behind the main row
: USS Langley (CVL-27) USS Lexington (CV-16) and USS San Jacinto (CVL-30)

Across the back are the Battleships:

USS Washington (BB-56)

USS Iowa (BB-61)

USS South Dakota (BB-57)

USS New Jersey (BB-62)

Beyond the main row of carriers and to the right are the cruisers:

USS Santa Fe (CL-60) USS Mobile (CL-63) USS Biloxi (CL-80) and USS New Orleans (CA-32).

Photographed by an aircraft from CV-14.[/font][/size][/color][/font][/size][/color]

Since Enterprise (CV-6) isn't there, all those fleet carriers are of the Essex class.
My across-the-street neighbor was an officer in the common section of Essex-class carrier Lake Champlain in the early '60s. By that time she was CVS-39, having been converted into an anti-submarine carrier.
He was involved in coding and decoding some very sensitive traffic during the Cuban Missile Crisis.
He was also serving on that ship a year and a half earlier when it was the prime recovery vessel for Alan Shepard's Freedom 7 sub-orbital flight. Shepard could have beaten the Russkis into space, but NASA insisted on one last test mission with a chimp on board.

Drew4UTk · « **Reply #1725 on:** April 26, 2020, 11:21:53 PM »

beckensale of that era is never a waste of money... that lady is put together properly... everywhere but in her head.

this was after planing off the excess resin.. i will continue with the technique of filling the small script with sawdust laden resin and top coating... the image doesn't capture it- but the 3D effect is present with the dust at differing depths in every letter.. it is flush over the surface which is something else the image doesn't capture. Also, the resin filled the tiny gaps in my inlay... the thing about inlays is they are forced in the recess- and will expand after the butchers block oil penetrates- but this made for certain they will never open and allow moisture between the dissimilar woods.

as i suggested earlier, this is the last board i will make using this construction technique (which is the tried and tested manner). From here out i will CNC them and set some really cool inlays (to request?)... the 'base/frame' will be of one solid cut, which will eliminate the possibilities of breaking at a bad seam. the inlays will be at least a 1/2" deep if not more... all while curves and designs other than (but not excluding) geometric can be used.... what that means is i can have almost certain assurance that the board will never break.

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #1726 on:** April 27, 2020, 01:39:18 AM »

Quote from: CWSooner on April 26, 2020, 10:45:41 PM

Yep. I wasted my money on both of those pieces of crap. U-571 was just a throwaway piece of crap. Pearl Harbor was a multi-bazillion-dollar mega-blockbuster piece of crap.

So you preferred Battleship?

Cincydawg · « **Reply #1727 on:** April 27, 2020, 06:06:11 AM »

Battleship was pretty obviously meant to be a "fun" movie, not some purported account of actual events. Yes, it was ridiculous, so are most alien movies. It was also reasonably fun.

The remake of Midway was, I thought, pointless and horrible. They substituted CGI for reasonable script lines and writing. The original was better, IMHO. I watched the new one on a plane with few other options and nearly turned it off. This is a problem with movies about historical events. They aren't documentaries of course but can easily comport to what generally happened without throwing in ahistorical plot lines.

The actual Battle of the Bulge was quite interesting on several fronts, any of which would make a fine movie with some added in "human stories" while sticking to real events. Slaughterhouse Five for example was not a documentary at all obviously, but it did show some aspects of what happened to the 106th and Dresden.

The movie about the JFK assassination (which I never watched) is another example and folks think often that it was accurate in its portrayal.

MrNubbz · « **Reply #1728 on:** April 27, 2020, 08:13:19 AM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on April 27, 2020, 06:06:11 AM

Slaughterhouse Five for example was not a documentary at all obviously, but it did show some aspects of what happened to the 106th and Dresden.

Have to read that book by Vonnegut.He obviously was there and reffered to his old unit as the "hungry and sick".I had to watch this very intersting YT segment with Stephen Ambrose,Kurt Vonnegut & Joseph Heller the 50th Anniversary of V-E Day in 1995 worth it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWXXpMWqG9Q

Cincydawg · « **Reply #1729 on:** April 27, 2020, 08:21:47 AM »

Yeah, S5 is semi-autobiographical. It was cold and wet and the 106th was a new division put into a quiet part of the line to gain them some experience scouting and digging and whatnot. They were all pretty much cold wet and sick at that point.

The 28th ID had been beaten up in Hurtgen Forest, another attack of dubious merit by the US, and was also in the area and got hit hard but mostly managed with pull back into Bastogne. The main German attack was north of all that, initially, fortunately that attack was inexpertly handled and ran into two very good US divisions well entrenched.

At that point in the war, Hitler was right to gamble like this, I think, those troops would have made little difference in the East, and there was some remote chance they could cause significant issues for the Americans and British. It's a bit like Kasserine Pass in a way.

MrNubbz · « **Reply #1730 on:** April 27, 2020, 08:39:46 AM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on April 27, 2020, 08:21:47 AM

Yeah, S5 is semi-autobiographical. It was cold and wet and the 106th was a new division put into a quiet part of the line to gain them some experience scouting and digging and whatnot. They were all pretty much cold wet and sick at that point. The 28th ID had been beaten up in Hurtgen Forest,

I was just going to post this many of the units tore up in the Hurtgen were convalescing in the Ardennes.Talk about poor unfortunate bastards - I cannot imagine.Turns out Patton was prophetic working on a plan to pull out of hostilities and wheel 90 degrees.As he had a hunch that's were the Gerries were going to poke thru there as it was too quite.Interestingly ULTRA never picked up on this as it had most everything else.Hitler had put a muzzle on everyone punishable by execution,regarding the attack.Frontline troops were notified as the orders to embark came in.The Reich felt by this time intelligence had been compromised

MrNubbz · « **Reply #1731 on:** April 27, 2020, 08:42:47 AM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on April 27, 2020, 08:21:47 AM

The main German attack was north of all that, initially, fortunately that attack was inexpertly handled and ran into two very good US divisions well entrenched.

Are you reffering to the Hurtgen or Ardennes?

Cincydawg · « **Reply #1732 on:** April 27, 2020, 08:54:16 AM »

The northern part of the German attack in December with the 5th and 6th SS divisions, as I recollect off hand. Hitler's top generals were sidelined or dead at that point, other thank Balck who I think was still a corps commander in the east.

That attack sort of fumbled around and got near a fuel dump at Spa but didn't find it.

MrNubbz · « **Reply #1733 on:** April 27, 2020, 09:08:35 AM »

Mantueffel was there also(Ardennes).Perhaps Model,not sure about Manstein.Rommel was dead and Guderian sacked and idle.I know they had Sepp Dietrich and that other SS fuck who's name escapes me there.This is one time they actually moved much of the men material from the east as the Soviets were refitting

Cincydawg · « **Reply #1734 on:** April 27, 2020, 09:11:40 AM »

I made my bimonthly trip to Walmart this morning. They are still short of some items, meats in particular, and yeast, for some reason. They had some TP, not much.

Everything else looked to be in stock as usual. There were again more workers than customers by far. I even used the normal checkout lane, nobody was there.

They have two ladies cleaning the carts.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #1735 on:** April 27, 2020, 11:44:16 AM »

This is an 80 foot tall tree just outside our unit, a "tulip poplar". The wife is fascinated.

Below is what I think is a female Cooper's Hawk that likes this perch, taken with a 400 mm lens, it's a bit far away from us.

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