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MaximumSam

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6958 on: August 26, 2020, 06:33:53 PM »
Brewers and Reds cancel their game tonight. Which hey, at least that avoids another Reds loss

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6959 on: August 26, 2020, 06:36:17 PM »
Thank you! Finally, someone admits it that a feeling or emotion they have is just that, a feeling or emotion. It really isn’t backed by anything.  But you and I are just arguing on a message board.

There are idiots burning this country down based on feelings that, when you really start looking into them, aren’t based on anything substantive.
My "feeling" is based on working in criminal justice for 18 years, looking at statistics, police handbooks, statistics, and countless eyewitness reports. 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6960 on: August 26, 2020, 06:37:52 PM »
So head over to that thread, where we're trying to keep it light, and that way it makes it easier to leave this thread as the only thread to blow off political steam.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6961 on: August 26, 2020, 06:41:23 PM »
Sadly, our attorney general has lost the confidence of more than half of the population. I find zero comfort in anything he says. That is atypical.

Sadly, what is going on has turned into viewing things universally through a political lens. That is atypical. We are as far apart from a united country as we have been in my lifetime. That is more than sad, it's distressing.

Badge: your definition of terrorism (and I agree with it) is not rioting. It is the "calculated use" of violence, which rioting isn't. That doesn't make rioting ok, but it is fundamentally different. Now, instigators--those who plan and intend to incite rioting--they may be fairly accused of terrorism. Even in this situation, that is a very small group of people--and reports from non-politicized government agencies appear to view the problem as coming more from those opposed to the protesters than those who align with them. That's not universal, but in the aggregate.

As I said a few pages back, this whole thing sucks.

But I'll add to that: as long as our leaders fan the flames of division, it will get worse.

Not sure about that.  I think for at least half the population, our AG is one of our only hopes. Mine included.
It is not just the leaders, like the Wisconsin Governor who clearly fanned the flames intentionally- it is those with the microphone like athletes and celebrities.

really?  your going to forfeit a basketball game or hold a protest for a man with a rap sheet as long as my arm, who was being arrested for sexual assault +2 other crimes, who clearly resisted arrest on video and reached into his car to grab something?  That’s not divisive? That doesn’t send a horrible message to law abiding citizens everywhere? That doesn’t fan flames of racism?

it’s like their position is, it doesn’t matter what you do or how bad you are as a black person you are not entitled to be exemp from the regular laws of this country.  However it’s OK if half the population of Black people kills other Black people. Is that the message?
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6962 on: August 26, 2020, 06:42:51 PM »

If anyone cares, the rifle below is able to fire the same cartridge as the AR-15 at the same rate of fire with the same muzzle velocity etc.  It doesn't look nearly as scary though.  And yes, it can accept very large capacity magazines, just like an AR-15.





The Germans may have started it, but Kalashnikov brought it to the masses.

The Federal Assault Weapons Ban was inartful, to say the least. The phrase assault weapon is rightfully mocked. The law did, however, limit the proliferation of many rifles that are the spiritual descendants of Kalashnikov's revolution--such ownership has exploded since the law expired. That may be good, it may be bad. Again, right or wrong, weapons ownership (both rifles and handguns) has changed dramatically in this country. The citizenry's arsenal is more powerful than it used to be, though fewer people, proportionately, are armed. 

I think this has made a difference in how the police approach their work. Frankly, I'd be surprised if it didn't.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6963 on: August 26, 2020, 06:43:48 PM »
My "feeling" is based on working in criminal justice for 18 years, looking at statistics, police handbooks, statistics, and countless eyewitness reports.
Good to know. I’m sure you have colleagues with just as much experience, armed with the same information, who feel differently.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6964 on: August 26, 2020, 06:50:26 PM »
Good to know. I’m sure you have colleagues with just as much experience, armed with the same information, who feel differently.
Not sure I do. By definition, if you are ok with whatever the current rate of holding people at gunpoint, then you've accepted it. A lot of people just accept it - we don't have protests about it. Common is a subjective measure, though it certainly seems silly to call it rare. In any event, the number of things that our government does that are violent in the name of protecting our safety is extremely frequent.

Objectively, our incarceration rates are historically high. We lock a pretty large amount of purple in cages. Killing dogs, full body cavity searches, holding people at gunpoint - it's a lot.

The protests only come when the government kills or maims someone, and even then people want to both sides the issue. 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6965 on: August 26, 2020, 06:53:06 PM »
The forerunner was the Sturmgewehr 44.

https://www.militarytimes.com/off-duty/gearscout/tacticool/2019/12/12/tbt-the-real-story-behind-the-legendary-stg-44-sturmgewehr-rifle/

Sturmgewehr literally means assault rifle.
Kalashnikov got some ideas there but the guts are different.The STGW 44 was incredible for it's time.Could put out twice the ordinance at half the weight of the Tommy.That's important when you're in the infantry
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6966 on: August 26, 2020, 06:58:13 PM »
Not sure about that.  I think for at least half the population, our AG is one of our only hopes. Mine included.
It is not just the leaders, like the Wisconsin Governor who clearly fanned the flames intentionally- it is those with the microphone like athletes and celebrities.

really?  your going to forfeit a basketball game or hold a protest for a man with a rap sheet as long as my arm, who was being arrested for sexual assault +2 other crimes, who clearly resisted arrest on video and reached into his car to grab something?  That’s not divisive? That doesn’t send a horrible message to law abiding citizens everywhere? That doesn’t fan flames of racism?

it’s like their position is, it doesn’t matter what you do or how bad you are as a black person you are not entitled to be exemp from the regular laws of this country.  However it’s OK if half the population of Black people kills other Black people. Is that the message?
It's not a question of what you think: the numbers for the administration are clear, though less clear for the AG, specifically. The current president may be reelected, but far fewer than half of the respondents in any reputable poll approve of him and his administration. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/?cid=rrpromo

As to these protesting basketball players, it's almost as if their life experiences, despite being financially quite successful, lead them to believe people like them aren't getting a fair shake.

As I noted (several pages) above, the complaint is that in 2020 it is unacceptable that systemic issues in the United States continue to result in worse life outcomes for black people than white people, and, more specifically, the outcomes for black people when interacting with the criminal justice system are consistently worse than for white people at every level: stops, arrests, charges, convictions, and sentencing. In other words, systemic racism continues to be a problem in this country and needs to be addressed. It's either systemic racism or black people are inherently inferior. It's not the latter.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6967 on: August 26, 2020, 07:03:21 PM »
If shooting dogs HAS BECOME more common, it's a concern.  One might want to investigate any reasons for that TREND.  If it has stayed constant over time, perhaps adjusted for population etc., then it may be a concern, but perhaps it less of one because it is status quo.  One might wish to change status quo, but it's a different kind of issue.
Just google "puppycide" and you'll get a long [and depressing] education on the matter. 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6968 on: August 26, 2020, 07:06:27 PM »
Steam...Anchor Steam - what do you know about steam beers/ales.Had a few many moons ago but forgot it's beckoning attributes.Ales fermented as Lagers,lagers fermented as ales.Considering current events these are what we should be reaching for
I refer to a beer as whatever style it chooses to identify lol :57:

But seriously, it's the yeast. A steam beer uses a lager yeast that adapts well to ale temperatures and is thus considered a sort of "hybrid" style between lager and ale. Kolsch is a very similar "hybrid" beer, in that it is fermented at temps more appropriate to ales but then lagered. 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6969 on: August 26, 2020, 07:12:06 PM »
The Federal Assault Weapons Ban was inartful, to say the least. The phrase assault weapon is rightfully mocked. The law did, however, limit the proliferation of many rifles that are the spiritual descendants of Kalashnikov's revolution--such ownership has exploded since the law expired. That may be good, it may be bad. Again, right or wrong, weapons ownership (both rifles and handguns) has changed dramatically in this country. The citizenry's arsenal is more powerful than it used to be, though fewer people, proportionately, are armed.

I think this has made a difference in how the police approach their work. Frankly, I'd be surprised if it didn't.
A lot of people have tied the increasing militarization of police to the North Hollywood shootout of 1997. 

Which would be the perfect Jerry Tarkanian moment...

"The NCAA was police were so mad at Kentucky heavily armed white guys that they gave Cleveland State two more years of probation started shooting unarmed black men." 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6970 on: August 26, 2020, 07:19:50 PM »
It's not a question of what you think: the numbers for the administration are clear, though less clear for the AG, specifically. The current president may be reelected, but far fewer than half of the respondents in any reputable poll approve of him and his administration. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/?cid=rrpromo

As to these protesting basketball players, it's almost as if their life experiences, despite being financially quite successful, lead them to believe people like them aren't getting a fair shake.

As I noted (several pages) above, the complaint is that in 2020 it is unacceptable that systemic issues in the United States continue to result in worse life outcomes for black people than white people, and, more specifically, the outcomes for black people when interacting with the criminal justice system are consistently worse than for white people at every level: stops, arrests, charges, convictions, and sentencing. In other words, systemic racism continues to be a problem in this country and needs to be addressed. It's either systemic racism or black people are inherently inferior. It's not the latter.
Well at least you got part of this right.  The numbers on the AG are less clear, despite what you think, and claim.

If the complaint is- that person shot in Wisconsin the other day had a greater chance of being in that situation ( on substances, substantial history of crime and violence) because he is black- that may be a valid discussion.
Once there- what he specifically did to end up shot, was more in his control than anyone’s.  Nothing systemic about it. So the protesting athletes are basically saying he should not have been shot despite HIS actions that both got him into that situation, and his actions that escalated it to its tragic end.  At what point does he have to take responsibility? Before or after he committed his repeat offense of sexual assault? Before or after he disobeying the law enforcement directives to stand down and quit struggling? Before or after he blatantly disobeyed by going into the front seat of his car to get “something“? 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6971 on: August 26, 2020, 07:30:36 PM »
Looks like a bad shooting, but is obviously not a routine traffic stop.
I must be missing something.  What is not routine up to the point where the officer starts shooting?
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