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You claimed, without evidence, that this is more common today than previously.  Of course, you claim a lot of stuff with no evidence.

Yes, obviously the statistics, video, and photographic evidence is all a lie, and your prior deep thoughts on the matter are clearly superior to such meager evidence.

You know what, maybe I'll do some of that.

I was reading an article from Ramzy over at 11W. It was about the curse of Bert running his mouth, which was followed by UW losing every game to OSU and PSU. It was a weird article because while the PSU part kinda makes more sense, the only curse-y loss to OSU came before the boast. Every other year, OSU has been better in about the way OSU is better than most teams. It felt kinda silly and chintzy in a way. But the main thing that kinda got my attention was some savoring of the 2012 OSU win in Madison.

It was interesting because it painted it as a clash of high drama, with a memorable play (Shazier punching the ball from Ball's hands). And in truth, the game is awful. OSU was better by far, but UW just made it a rock fight. UW had one smash-y TD drive. Half of OSU's points in regulation were on a punt return. Wisconsin only got to OT because a QB who couldn't throw led a drive 52 yards in a minute, erasing a 2nd and 21. The way the game went was kinda embarrassing, though OSU came out undefeated.

Do OSU fans think fondly of that game? Or not think about it at all, and the writing was just flourish?

I can only vaguely remember the game. My main recollection from that season was the Urbs was a hell of a coach because the 2012 team was kind of crappy yet went 12-0

they should forfeit

It's absurd that they haven't asked for your input.

You have presented zip to show this is more common today than previously.

As usual, you claim to have, but you haven't.

I didn't really claim that. I said it had become common and accepted. I don't know when it became common and accepted. I'm not omnipotent. The statistics on killing are nebulous, and the statistics on cops pointing guns at people are infinitely more nebulous. 

So focusing on some semantic point strikes me as a pretty bad faith argument. We have long conversations about whether cops shooting people is ok or not. We have almost no conversations about whether pointing guns at people as a routine policy is ok or not. That's because it's become common and accepted (at least when they are pointed at certain people).

Off topic and not to hop onto the complaining about 2020 bandwagon, I dream of a world where the 2021 SOC is mostly focused on arguments over chili and vehicles I'm not interested in. Maybe which pizzas we find acceptable too.

Also, my favorite local BBQ place had been letting me pre-order single serving meals. Now they upped it to pre-ordering only family meals and needing walk-up for the rest. The line is always long, and I don't know if I want to deal with that. Not that I haven't gone there 5-6 times in the pandemic.

The 2020 Fall No-Season Stream of Unconsciousness is what you're looking for. 

I think it was a smart thing to have this one thread to blow off steam to try to localize it and make the rest of the forum more civil. While obviously things get heated due to the fact that we're not going to have B1G Football this fall, most of the debates have been related to whether the decision to postpone has been good/bad and not about politics/race/etc in the way that this thread has become.

So head over to that thread, where we're trying to keep it light, and that way it makes it easier to leave this thread as the only thread to blow off political steam.

HAS BECOME.  Obviously, you are saying it is a recent thing, it's not something that has always been that way, it has become that way of late.

A litigation tactic I know well. When you have nothing at all to say to help your cause, focus on some trivial point and never relent.

What's the counter argument? If 450 in one jurisdiction in one month isn't common, what is? If it doesn't bother you, isn't it by definition accepted? I could post links all day of people being held at gunpoint by the police - my point is that once it makes it into the policy book, it's pretty danged accepted.

Here's another one

https://www.google.com/amp/s/newsone.com/3992931/graphic-video-black-teens-who-needed-help-held-at-gunpoint-cops/amp/

Who said it didn’t bother me? What reasonable person is ok with a 6 yo being cuffed and being held at gunpoint?  But isolated incidents don’t make for nationwide problems.  I saw the George Floyd incident too. I didn’t accept it as right but I don’t think cops are putting their knees on the throats of people all over the country until they die.

And the total number of encounters provides context.  If they pulled their guns 450 times in 500 encounters I am alarmed. If it was over 10,000 encounters I’m not quite as alarmed.  And even then we don’t know how the people were behaving.

Here is what I know. You claimed police pointing guns at people was becoming too common and accepted.  When pressed on that you provided incomplete data from one city in the country over the course of one month.