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From my experience with pulling horse trailers, gas engines that are pulling heavy trailers have a habit of dropping to crawl speed at the most inopportune times. Such as going up a 1% grade. 

I don't know anything about renting trucks as FF suggested.  There might or might not be additional insurance you'd need to purchase to cover the towing.

But as for WHAT it would require to tow something 10K plus, yes, you're looking at a 250/2500, and I'd highly recommend the turbodiesel engines.  You don't need a dually, though.

My F150 is rated up to 11,500 lbs, and it works great for the amount of towing I do, on a trailer that is ~6500 lbs dry weight and ~8500 lbs - 9000 lbs wet and fully loaded.  But I always recommend keeping a safety margin of 20% or more below your max tow rating.

Payload is also a consideration, some trucks have the capability to tow quite a bit, but their payloads are not sufficient.  The tongue weight of the trailer, plus the weight of all gear, and all passengers, in the towing vehicle, all count against payload capacity.

I have an F-250 with the 6.2 liter engine. I have a camper that comes in at about 11,500 - 12,000 lbs when fully loaded with supplies. It is close to the max limit for a trailer on a traditional hitch (not a fifth wheel). It pulls nice, but when pulling over hilly territory, it is about all that the engine wants. 

I'm looking at going with a fifth wheel in a couple of years. They are making some that are considerably lighter than what I have, which should be nice. 

I think that would be wasteful, and I'm not that at all. Pretty frugal, mostly, but I do like nice things.

You could have two boats if you lived here and not there...

https://apnews.com/article/google-justice-department-antitrust-0510e8f9047956254455ec5d4db06044?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_medium=AP&utm_source=Twitter

DoJ just announces anti-trust lawsuit against Google. It’s. About. Damn. Time. Under the fascistic corporatist Obama monopolies were allowed to grow like a weed, extort their customers, and crush every competitor unchecked.

Hopefully this is just the first of many anti-trust lawsuits to come.

I'll be interested to see how this goes. 

I could have predicted this months ago, but it appears we may have the largest voter turnout for the November elections in USA history.

I think that's a good thing

probably not motivated by good things, but folks should be interested enough to get out and vote

gasoline is CHEAP - $1.77 per gallon here

Went down to 1.87 here best I've seen in a long while so I filled up both cars.Which of course means it'll go lower

I assume you are including me in that, yeah?

If you want my answer, ask me in the offseason thread (while it still exists). I'll try to defer from politics forthwith in here. But I don't want you to think I'm ducking the question or unwilling/unable to answer it.

I think I know where you sit. You're just like me. I can't stand Trump, but I like his policy decisions on trade, wars, economy.


I will hold my nose and vote with my wallet. The alternative is worse. Oh well. Shoot me.