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Cincydawg

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2422 on: June 02, 2020, 01:16:25 PM »
What constructive steps do you see the Republican-led Senate and the current president rolling out?

Paint us a picture.
I think one can ask that of Democrats just as fairly as of Republicans.  The vast majority of big city mayors are Democrats (San Diego is an exception).  Most larger population states have Democratic governors.  The mayors are responsible for the police departments.  What are they doing about this?

Fig leaves.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2423 on: June 02, 2020, 01:24:02 PM »
I think one can ask that of Democrats just as fairly as of Republicans.  The vast majority of big city mayors are Democrats (San Diego is an exception).  Most larger population states have Democratic governors.  The mayors are responsible for the police departments.  What are they doing about this?

Fig leaves.
Amen.   Anyone calling for violence, or hiding it ( many liberal media outlets) or supporting it ( Hollywood yahoos and presidential candidate collecting money to bail out those who actually get caught doing it) is not going to achieve ANY worthwhile objective.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2424 on: June 02, 2020, 01:28:05 PM »
A certain portion of the population expects things to remain the same.  So no, no type of protest is okay.  Don't protest, just accept how things are and do the best you can.

Too much "know your role" and far too little "unacceptable realities need to change and change now" on this board.
or what
you gonna throw a brick at us
youre real good at raking us over the coals but weve not heard anything of substance
coming from you

a cop killed a black guy and was arrested and charged with murder

if you have some idea to avoid this in the future please feel free to enlighten us


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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2425 on: June 02, 2020, 01:28:33 PM »
I think one can ask that of Democrats just as fairly as of Republicans.  The vast majority of big city mayors are Democrats (San Diego is an exception).  Most larger population states have Democratic governors.  The mayors are responsible for the police departments.  What are they doing about this?

Fig leaves.
So trust in 50 different mayors of 50 different cities with 50 different makeups would be better than, you know, a national leader doing the right thing?  
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2426 on: June 02, 2020, 01:30:16 PM »
or what
you gonna throw a brick at us
youre real good at raking us over the coals but weve not heard anything of substance
coming from you

a cop killed a black guy and was arrested and charged with murder

if you have some idea to avoid this in the future please feel free to enlighten us
The only way I could enlighten you would be to appear on FoxNews.  That's the only way you wouldn't immediately dismiss anything I offered.
“The Swamp is where Gators live.  We feel comfortable there, but we hope our opponents feel tentative. A swamp is hot and sticky and can be dangerous." - Steve Spurrier

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2427 on: June 02, 2020, 01:31:00 PM »
Every time these is video of police exceeding their ROEs like this, we have protests, and the protests lead in most cases to riots.  This carries on for some period of time, a week or so in most places, and then life returns to "normal".  You may not like "normal", but I've yet to see any real actions taken to DO anything or CHANGE anything.

The Chiefs of Police will announce some new policies and perhaps install some civilian review board or new training, whatever, and that is that, until it happens again, which it will.

Meet the "new normal", same as the "old normal".

Just with a fig leaf and some flowery prose and blah blah blah.

Let's do something constructive.  Or, really, let's appear to have done something constructive which in reality is burfle.
I can think of a few things:

  • Implement a more complete review of police with chronic complaints to try to weed out the bad apples before something like this happens.
  • Take the decision of charging/not charging police out of the hands of the DA in the case of police brutality. It should be put in the hands of an independent board.
  • Implement completely anonymous whistleblower systems and strengthen whistleblower protection for individual officers. I continue to believe that there are a lot of officers who hate these bad apples but feel powerless to stop it without ostracizing themselves from their colleagues. 

A major problem with a lot of these are that they need to be implemented locally. It would be more helpful to have independent federal oversight of some of these things, but as the police powers are generally state/local, trying to implement a federal police excessive force oversight capability might be questionable from a Constitutional standpoint...


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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2428 on: June 02, 2020, 01:31:33 PM »
Every time these is video of police exceeding their ROEs like this, we have protests, and the protests lead in most cases to riots.  This carries on for some period of time, a week or so in most places, and then life returns to "normal".  You may not like "normal", but I've yet to see any real actions taken to DO anything or CHANGE anything.
Hmm, did you ever wonder why this is?  Who is standing in the way of immediate, sweeping change?
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2429 on: June 02, 2020, 01:32:45 PM »
What constructive steps do you see the Republican-led Senate and the current president rolling out?

Paint us a picture.
I am still waiting for one single Democrat, at a level of influence ( Pelosi, Schumer, Warren, Sanders, Biden...any of them) to stand up and say stop the rioting, the looting, the merciless beatings of cops and random citizens caught in the vicinity.  I am still waiting for one person on CNN to say that, or one person of influence from ABC, CBS ⎌or NBC news to say that.

crickets.  The President can ask that all he wants ( has numerous times), but do you think those guilty of the mayhem are supporters of his?  Clearly they are not.

that brings us up to date...what is the next step.  Seems like there are 2 choices.   Let the mob, hiding often amongst peaceful protesters,  ontinue to hurt people, property, businesses, landmarks,  or....put it down with non lethal force. 
it appears the first option has been attempted and still is.   Is it working?
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2430 on: June 02, 2020, 01:33:53 PM »
So trust in 50 different mayors of 50 different cities with 50 different makeups would be better than, you know, a national leader doing the right thing? 

But again, when all this is local, exactly what power does a national leader have to do a "right thing" which is within their legitimate Constitutional power, and/or might require them to herd the cats in the House/Senate to get it done?

(And I say that with the knowledge that a current national leader is doing the exact wrong thing, actively fanning the flames... Suggesting doing the right thing is hard doesn't mean I support what he's doing instead.)

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2431 on: June 02, 2020, 01:34:22 PM »
Hmm, did you ever wonder why this is?  Who is standing in the way of immediate, sweeping change?
Yes, who is?
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2432 on: June 02, 2020, 01:34:52 PM »
Hmm, did you ever wonder why this is?  Who is standing in the way of immediate, sweeping change?
The police unions. The city politicians and districts attorney that rely on the political support of the police unions to keep their jobs. 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2433 on: June 02, 2020, 01:35:12 PM »
The only way I could enlighten you would be to appear on FoxNews.  That's the only way you wouldn't immediately dismiss anything I offered.
try me
what ideas do you have
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2434 on: June 02, 2020, 01:35:59 PM »
Amen.  Anyone calling for violence, or hiding it ( many liberal media outlets) or supporting it ( Hollywood yahoos and presidential candidate collecting money to bail out those who actually get caught doing it) is not going to achieve ANY worthwhile objective.
Anyone calling for violence will not achieve a worthwhile objective? Noted.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2435 on: June 02, 2020, 01:37:31 PM »
anyone advocating violence should be considered a piece of crap

in fact it might be considered the same as yelling fire in a crowded theater


Reminder that metaphor was used fur suppression of legitimate political speech. 

 

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