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Cincydawg

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7308 on: August 28, 2020, 12:30:50 PM »
I should have said in some Asian countries.  I'm told in Hong Kong for example being out in public sans mask is very bad.

I don't think there is very much social stigma today about an unmarried women of whatever age becoming pregnant.

And if the example is bad, my point simply is that some social stigmas may be to the advantage of society in general.

There is in most places "social stigma" against driving at the speed limit in the left lane, I think.  It usually generates angry reactions from other drivers.

My ex wife used to do that, constantly.  I couldn't let her drive.




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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7309 on: August 28, 2020, 12:34:20 PM »
How come I make you sad? I'd wager my entire portfolio on US doing a better job than our government has.

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We will need one Buckeye, to keep us in check, and balanced.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7310 on: August 28, 2020, 12:39:59 PM »
You're in.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7311 on: August 28, 2020, 12:42:07 PM »
The people wanting to take down those statues and criticizing displays of the confederate flag care about today as well. America is a great country, and they say that to continue celebrating the misdeeds of people who would have left this wonderful country over slavery and racism is just a way to continue the wounds created by slavery and racism.

Make no mistake, statues are intended to celebrate or revere someone or something, and in this case it was a war of secession fought over America's greatest sin. Continuing to wave the Confederate flag celebrates the Confederacy.

It's the people who demand those statues stand, and to continue waving the flag, are the ones who apparently care about bringing the past forward to today.
and when is enough enough

we never seem to get there

the people taking down the statues today will want more and more cause we just stand aside and let them take it
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7312 on: August 28, 2020, 12:44:16 PM »
The Wisconsin governor finally visited Kenosha yesterday. I guess he finally felt safe in doing so, now that he finally allowed the Feds to help. He could have that on Monday. Nobody would be dead. The city wouldn't have burned like it did. I might still be there.

F'ing clown.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7313 on: August 28, 2020, 01:02:39 PM »
your government at work
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7314 on: August 28, 2020, 01:04:57 PM »
Which is why we, not they, are the solution.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7315 on: August 28, 2020, 01:14:56 PM »
They won't let me give blood anymore. The burnt orange color scares the hell out of the doctors.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7316 on: August 28, 2020, 01:19:42 PM »
and when is enough enough

we never seem to get there

the people taking down the statues today will want more and more cause we just stand aside and let them take it
So we should do nothing? 

The only defense we have for keeping up statues that symbolize slavery and racism is because if we take them down, people we don't like will "win"?

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7317 on: August 28, 2020, 01:21:08 PM »
FIFY
all government


both sides, all sides

corrupt, wasteful, inefficient, slackers
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7318 on: August 28, 2020, 01:40:43 PM »
all government


both sides, all sides

corrupt, wasteful, inefficient, slackers
Hey its the blue states that have a problem with putting down the rioters

The red states have occasional flareups but nothing like the dems

they want riots and encourage them in hopes it will cause a Trump defeat

shameful 

watch how fast these blue governors jump all over rioters after the election
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7319 on: August 28, 2020, 01:53:31 PM »
How come I make you sad? I'd wager my entire portfolio on US doing a better job than our government has.

The three of us Badgers would make a great team.

We will need one Buckeye, to keep us in check, and balanced.
Badge, I'm all for concerted private action to augment the government, but the government has to provide certain services. Private road building, policing, utility management, food regulation, stock regulation, etc., aren't reasonable solutions.

What you're suggesting sounds an awful lot like unwinding the American social safety net, so no more Social Security, Medicare, unemployment insurance, food stamps, etc. Respectfully, we don't live in an agrarian society. In the modern world, all of those things are a necessity in one way or another--unless you want to live in Somalia, which really isn't a modern society.

You're right that government intervention will never perfectly fit every situation, but that's true of any intervention, even the enforcement of criminal laws, but the government has proven much more efficient, and frankly necessary, for many of these tasks. 

The government should stay out of a lot of things, but removing social programs seems to me to be a fools errand. 

To me, the key isn't doing away with government intervention, it's matching up government intervention with private investment, even at the welfare level. Again, to my means testing point, if someone has to invest something of their own, even if its a relatively small amount, they will value what they get more than if it is free. Free has lots of problems. 

Even things like the HUD program that you seem to be so opposed to aren't necessarily bad because they have had some bad impacts. Yes, redlining was overtly racist and the government bears responsibility for that. Nonetheless, a great deal of private wealth was built in this country because of HUD intervention (if anything, redlining limited that growth by denying it to certain classes of people, working contrary to the economic goals of the program). It didn't make people millionaires, but it did help establish a healthy middle class. From a Keynesian perspective, that government intervention strengthened private wealth and made for stronger, more self sufficient citizens.

This concept that Reagan championed, fear of, "I'm the government and I'm here to help," is overblown. Realistically, at a local level, if you were to remove the family services departments, health departments (including mental health), the utilities, public works, parks, education, (I presume you wouldn't advocate privatizing policing and fire services), you would create havoc, and not one where benevolent wealthy people would step in to save everyone else. World history simply doesn't make that a realistic goal.

However, tying government assistance to some kind of investment from the person/people being assisted, seems like a good idea, because it will increase the private ownership of the outcome.

To my mind, the tax code requires a fair amount of reworking because right now it values wealth over work, i.e., the wealthier you are, the more opportunity you have to increase your wealth simply by being wealthy, and pay lower taxes on that increase in wealth than working stiffs pay on showing up to do their job every day. That's perverse. But those incentives aren't without reason--some of those reasons are valid ones. So this isn't an easy, "just simplify the tax code" issue. Incentives matter, and the government has to weigh those incentives. Taxing and spending are the government's primary way to do so.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7320 on: August 28, 2020, 02:02:24 PM »
Hey its the blue states that have a problem with putting down the rioters

The red states have occasional flareups but nothing like the dems

they want riots and encourage them in hopes it will cause a Trump defeat

shameful

watch how fast these blue governors jump all over rioters after the election
I'd guess in Red states, the way they deal with protests and riots is corrupt, wasteful, inefficient, slackers

I'm hoping the riots go away after the election
if not they need to be dealt with swiftly
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7321 on: August 28, 2020, 02:09:51 PM »
I'd guess in Red states, the way they deal with protests and riots is corrupt, wasteful, inefficient, slackers

I'm hoping the riots go away after the election
if not they need to be dealt with swiftly
Houston had some riots at the start

the first night the HPD arrested 100 and the 2nd night they arrested about 200

amazingly the riots kinda stopped and only peaceful protests remained

oh yes there was none of this crap about catch and release for the arrested rioters
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