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You think prejudice and bias are banal?

They are things I make a conscious effort to avoid, personally.

It's fine to try and avoid bias and prejudice, but you do it still, and so does everyone else who has ever breathed.

?? What he advocates is by definition violence, and you are saying it's sounding good to you. So how am I the one defending violence?

Arresting and locking violent criminals is violence?  My goodness is that twisted.

it is really simple Sam.  Lawful people have the right to defend themselves and their loved ones and property against those who are trying to hurt them.  That’s the side I am on.

you are on the side of those who want to hurt them.  To me, that makes you pro- violence.     That’s ok.  I won’t bother you for that twisted, sick opinion.   That is, until you come after me.  

If these shooting victims were properly restrained by police initially, none of them die.  (Floyd may have died later of an OD.)

Maybe police need better hand to hand training.

I agree with this. In both instances in ATL and Kenosha multiple cops couldn’t restrain one guy and had to resort to using their weapons.

Well, that's my point, I wonder if the police need better training, MCMAP or something.

It might be viewed as ironic that "we" take away their billy club, take away the choke hold, give them Tasers which are problematic, and their next level of force is whatever training they received and then the gun.

Arresting and locking violent criminals is violence?  My goodness is that twisted.

it is really simple Sam.  Lawful people have the right to defend themselves and their loved ones and property against those who are trying to hurt them.  That’s the side I am on.

you are on the side of those who want to hurt them.  To me, that makes you pro- violence.    That’s ok.  I won’t bother you for that twisted, sick opinion.  That is, until you come after me. 

Yes. Locking someone up and throwing away the key is violent. If you want to justify it, justify it. But don't change the meaning of words to escape responsibility. 

I think of the term "violent" differently, I suppose.

This treatment might be heinous, unethical, wrong, tragic, whatever, but it's not violent.

vi·o·lent
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adjective

• using or involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something.

Fairly certain locking someone in a cage fits the definition. Try locking some random woman in your basement and see if people think it's violent.