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Cincydawg

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7672 on: August 30, 2020, 09:20:16 AM »
A President has to lead, and work deals, which means compromise.  A Leading President can generate public enthusiasm and pressure for a piece of legislation he wants, the Bully Pulpit, which doesn't mean offering an occasional sound bite.  It means focus, and work, and effort to ask the other side what they want and where they can compromise, and if you can't generate public pressure on them, the legislation probably isn't popular.

I don't think Obama had enough experience with this process, nor did his "handlers".  I also don't think he cared enough to give it much effort.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7673 on: August 30, 2020, 09:25:33 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on August 30, 2020, 09:20:16 AM
A President has to lead, and work deals, which means compromise.  A Leading President can generate public enthusiasm and pressure for a piece of legislation he wants, the Bully Pulpit, which doesn't mean offering an occasional sound bite.  It means focus, and work, and effort to ask the other side what they want and where they can compromise, and if you can't generate public pressure on them, the legislation probably isn't popular.

I don't think Obama had enough experience with this process, nor did his "handlers".  I also don't think he cared enough to give it much effort.
I thought Obama was excellent on those things. Frankly, the Republican party currently seems to have little interest in governing. They presently have no platform other than what Trump wants, whatever that is. How does one compromise with that?
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7674 on: August 30, 2020, 09:26:50 AM »
I view Obama obviously as inept and lazy, not interested in getting anything done.  He was a sound bite President who lacked focus.

And proof is in the pudding.  Either you got meaningful stuff legislated or you didn't.  He didn't.  And his successor is undoing most of his "EO" stuff.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7675 on: August 30, 2020, 09:36:27 AM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on August 30, 2020, 09:25:33 AM
I thought Obama was excellent on those things. Frankly, the Republican party currently seems to have little interest in governing. They presently have no platform other than what Trump wants, whatever that is. How does one compromise with that?
Unless you count defunding police, AOCs Green New Deal, and raising taxes- what platform to the Dems have?   

They have spent the last 4 years fighting anything they perceive POTUS wants or believes. 
That’s why I hate them.  They are not for anything good, just against. 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7676 on: August 30, 2020, 09:37:19 AM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on August 30, 2020, 09:25:33 AM
I thought Obama was excellent on those things. Frankly, the Republican party currently seems to have little interest in governing. They presently have no platform other than what Trump wants, whatever that is. How does one compromise with that?
Pretty hard to be in a compromising state of mind when you are constantly under attack

The Russian investigation which was completely made up and then the Kavanaugh hearing and then impeachment

This President has been able to survive all this and still had major accomplishments

Trump has made several attempts to compromise on various legislation and Pelosi refuses to budge an inch

In short if there is a chance that Trump might receive any credit Pelosi wants nothing to do with it
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7677 on: August 30, 2020, 09:41:32 AM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on August 30, 2020, 08:49:02 AM
This would be great.  A national law that regulates data gathering on police actions would be a tremendous boon to studying it.  It's not something that is easy to gather right now.
this would be something that could be done at the federal or the state level that might be a positive for both sides, meaning everyone
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7678 on: August 30, 2020, 10:53:05 AM »
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on August 30, 2020, 09:36:27 AM

They have spent the last 4 years fighting anything they perceive POTUS wants or believes.
That’s why I hate them.  They are not for anything good, just against.
Let's be real by friend, the obstructionism isn't why you dislike them. Many times, we've praised obstructionism on this very thread. We're 8-10 years into high end obstructionism, minus the two years when it wasn't possible. It's just our era. 

They push for certain things you strongly don't believe. That reason enough to not like your political opposition.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7679 on: August 30, 2020, 10:54:51 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on August 30, 2020, 08:20:24 AM
As I said, words, and then nothing.  It was never a big goal I reckon.

Even in 2009-2010 when he basically had Congress on his side.  Not a big goal, says it all.  What were his big goals anyway?

They must have been really high priorities when one considers all the verbiage attached to gun control.
Bear in mind Congress has its hand tied somewhat on how far they can take gun control. They can't overturn the 2nd Amendment on their own. 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7680 on: August 30, 2020, 11:08:24 AM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on August 29, 2020, 05:22:48 PM


I don't like "lesser of two evils" voting, but when the difference between the two evils is so significant, I'm Ridin' with Biden.
Your vote doesn't matter. You live in California.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7681 on: August 30, 2020, 11:10:49 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on August 30, 2020, 11:08:24 AM
Your vote doesn't matter. You live in California.
It's what the founders wanted. 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7682 on: August 30, 2020, 11:12:14 AM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on August 30, 2020, 11:10:49 AM
It's what the founders wanted.
So what was it that Ridin' with Biden reminded you of?
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7683 on: August 30, 2020, 11:15:03 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on August 30, 2020, 11:08:24 AM
Your vote doesn't matter. You live in California.
That's why I usually vote third party. 

But if this year I can add to Trump's popular vote landslide loss in any way, I'll do it. Because I believe he'll contest or try to dispute anything but a landslide. I want 2020 to be a repudiation of him and the last four years, for the future of America's soul. 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7684 on: August 30, 2020, 11:18:09 AM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on August 30, 2020, 11:15:03 AM
That's why I usually vote third party.

But if this year I can add to Trump's popular vote landslide loss in any way, I'll do it. Because I believe he'll contest or try to dispute anything but a landslide. I want 2020 to be a repudiation of him and the last four years, for the future of America's soul.
well youre right about one thing

it will be a landslide
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7685 on: August 30, 2020, 11:20:17 AM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on August 30, 2020, 11:15:03 AM
That's why I usually vote third party.
Ya the Keg Party
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