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Cincydawg

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4606 on: July 07, 2020, 04:11:47 PM »
I gather the protesters want something no legislation can give them, no government can mandate, no mayor can provide, so I guess they will protest until it gets cold again.  Of course, I don't mean every single protester, I imagine some of them have some substantive proposals and ideas.

We could make lynching a Federal crime for example, so cover all the lynching that occur in the US each year, thought the penalty might have to wait for the states to exercise their process in trying the accused.


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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4607 on: July 07, 2020, 04:15:08 PM »
Thank you for asking that question.  Now, I'm sure there are numerous acts of legislation that could at least help with these wants, BUT...
your point is that it's not about legislation and I agree.  These points are born of the systematic racism most of the posters here deny exists. 
How about all of the people who assure us they're not racist stop doing the dozen or so tiny acts that make it easy  to ask if they're racist?

Certain people need to change their behavior.  It should be easy.  Just like telling the poor to stop breaking the law.  It's a simple step.

Can you cite examples of "systemic racism" that is codified in law or public policy? I keep hearing about "systemic racism" and that something needs to be done about it. But so far, it is nothing more than a vague term that nobody has been able to specifically identify. 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4608 on: July 07, 2020, 04:23:27 PM »
One might claim that requiring Asians to have higher academic standards to be admitted to Harvard than white folks is "systemic racism".

Maybe not.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4609 on: July 07, 2020, 04:25:03 PM »
The "systemic disadvantage" is primarily between the wealthy and the poor.  If the poor get into some kind of trouble, money problems, credit problems, legal problems, they have far far less recourse than wealthy people.

A wealthy black person is in better shape than a poor white person, I think everyone would agree.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4610 on: July 07, 2020, 04:28:26 PM »
Systemic racism would be rules and laws that give one person an advantage over another person, based entirely on the color of their skin. Examples would be hiring quotas, and affirmative action. 


So systemic racism does indeed exist, but not in the way that it is often presented. 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4611 on: July 07, 2020, 04:30:44 PM »
Yep. The people who need to band together are blacks living in inner housing projects and whites living in rural trailer courts.

They have more in common than either group would probably believe or care to admit.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4612 on: July 07, 2020, 04:35:13 PM »
No one thing can correct decades of wrongdoing.  or wrong living
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4613 on: July 07, 2020, 04:38:43 PM »
Systemic racism would be rules and laws that give one person an advantage over another person, based entirely on the color of their skin. Examples would be hiring quotas, and affirmative action.


So systemic racism does indeed exist, but not in the way that it is often presented.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4614 on: July 07, 2020, 04:40:48 PM »
Yep. The people who need to band together are blacks living in inner housing projects and whites living in rural trailer courts.

They have more in common than either group would probably believe or care to admit.
That was a major goal of Martin Luther King before he got murdered. Jesse Jackson picked it up after him. It hasn't been a big of goal lately as far as I can tell

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4615 on: July 07, 2020, 04:44:04 PM »
BLM would certainly reject the color blind society promoted by MLK, right along with the self sufficiency that was championed by Malcolm X. 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4616 on: July 07, 2020, 04:49:14 PM »
That was a major goal of Martin Luther King before he got murdered. Jesse Jackson picked it up after him. It hasn't been a big of goal lately as far as I can tell
Jesse Jackson was MLK's body guard. He's also a wicked anti-Semite. 

No respect from me.

MLK, he is not. Not even close.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4617 on: July 07, 2020, 04:50:54 PM »
BLM would certainly reject the color blind society promoted by MLK, right along with the self sufficiency that was championed by Malcolm X.
Wouldn't be that different than how Americans viewed them when they lived.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4618 on: July 07, 2020, 04:54:16 PM »
WV and Mississippi annually battle it out for poorest state in the country yet both have crime rates that put them anywhere from the top half to top third of the country.
I cite cities and you bring up states.  
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4619 on: July 07, 2020, 04:54:36 PM »
Systemic racism would be rules and laws that give one person an advantage over another person, based entirely on the color of their skin. Examples would be hiring quotas, and affirmative action.


So systemic racism does indeed exist, but not in the way that it is often presented.
"Systemic" doesn't always mean codified.

For example, read this on sentencing disparities. 

There's a lot to read there, but the key takeaway is that when you compare the actual offenses that whites and blacks are arrested for, as documented by the arresting officer on the police report, black men spend more time in prison than white men by almost 10%. 

One of the reasons is this:

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In the federal system, more than half of the black-white sentence disparity that is unexplained by the arrest offense and offenders’ prior traits can be explained by initial charge decisions, particularly the prosecutors’ decision to file charges that carry “mandatory minimum” sentences. Ceteris paribus, they do so 65 percent more often against black defendants. These findings highlight the empirical importance of obtaining measures of criminal conduct that are not themselves the product of the legal process. They also suggest that recent policy and scholarly debates that have focused heavily on the disparity risks associated with judicial discretion may have overlooked one of the most important actors: the federal prosecutor.

There's no law which states that prosecutors should more aggressively charge black men for the same offenses that they charge white men, in particularly more often charging them with versions of the crime which result in mandatory minimum sentences. But they do. 

If it was one or two rogue prosecutors, that wouldn't be systemic racism. But when it's an effect that seems to carry across age or location boundaries, it makes you think that maybe--for whatever reason--prosecutors are more lenient on whites than blacks. 

 

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