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Brutus Buckeye

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4620 on: July 07, 2020, 04:55:41 PM »
If poverty were the driving force, then Appalachia would be an absolute war zone. 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4621 on: July 07, 2020, 04:56:54 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on July 07, 2020, 04:55:41 PM
If poverty were the driving force, then Appalachia would be an absolute war zone.
Parts of it are not in good shape with drugs being a critical factor there as well.

What other factors might be implicated here?
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4622 on: July 07, 2020, 04:58:22 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on July 07, 2020, 02:20:19 PM
I may as well say "Certain people need to stay in school and not have babies when they are 15 and be honest and diligent."  That is also true, everyone would agree I think, but saying it and wishing for it hardly makes it any more a reality.

Just seeing a NEED and articulating it is fine, I suppose, but it doesn't offer any solution, or potential solution, or cure, or much of anything.

Some problems lack practicable solutions.
Exactly right.  
Which makes it a systemic problem with no one-stop solution.  Spending the money to prevent HS dropouts is proactive and cheaper than incarcerating them or providing assistance to a teen mom later. 

All of the naysayers of this stuff seem to be shrugging their shoulders that this one thing won't fix it or that one thing won't fix it.  Well no shit, lol, no one thing will fix it.   
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4623 on: July 07, 2020, 05:00:18 PM »
So fix it for us. How many steps would it take, what are they, and how will they be implemented? 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4624 on: July 07, 2020, 05:02:09 PM »
I have been open to suggestions and have not heard many beyond throw money at the problems, in effect.

I've asked what the protesters want, and the list of their wants are things no government can provide because they want, if the list is correct, changes in attitudes.  That's nice and all, but not going to happen.

It would help if the protesters wanted changes that government can actually manage to do.  If it's more money for education, maybe that would help over time, I don't think the way we fund education is equitable in this country.  Obviously, there are other issues that make educating poorer people a challenge, no matter the color of their skin.

How much of all of this is mostly related to wealth?
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4625 on: July 07, 2020, 05:05:37 PM »
Quote from: NorthernOhioBuckeye on July 07, 2020, 04:15:08 PM
Can you cite examples of "systemic racism" that is codified in law or public policy? I keep hearing about "systemic racism" and that something needs to be done about it. But so far, it is nothing more than a vague term that nobody has been able to specifically identify.
It's not about law or public policy.  

There's no law that blacks are more likely to be convicted of a crime - it's a jury which causes it.
There's no policy that Jennifer gets the job over Latonya - it's the company/person hiring which causes it.

You're asking about legal racism and that's not what systematic racism is - it's the whole system - the people in power, the decision-makers who cause it.  

That's why there isn't an easy one-answer fix.  That's an absurdity.  It takes those in power (including the random citizen of a jury) to change their behavior.  The system in "systematic" isn't the government, it's the people.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4626 on: July 07, 2020, 05:06:54 PM »
So, they are against racism in general, and want it to end?  

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4627 on: July 07, 2020, 05:07:59 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on July 07, 2020, 04:56:54 PM
Parts of it are not in good shape with drugs being a critical factor there as well.

What other factors might be implicated here?
Population density?
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4628 on: July 07, 2020, 05:08:18 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on July 07, 2020, 05:02:09 PM
I have been open to suggestions and have not heard many beyond throw money at the problems, in effect.

I've asked what the protesters want, and the list of their wants are things no government can provide because they want, if the list is correct, changes in attitudes.  That's nice and all, but not going to happen.

It would help if the protesters wanted changes that government can actually manage to do.  If it's more money for education, maybe that would help over time, I don't think the way we fund education is equitable in this country.  Obviously, there are other issues that make educating poorer people a challenge, no matter the color of their skin.

How much of all of this is mostly related to wealth?
In education, it's 100% tied to wealth.
Local tax dollars = funding for local schools.  Rich area - more tax dollars - more school funding.  And that's the simple part.  Now we have the avalanche of B.S. "school choice" is taking public dollars and funneling it to charters and now even private schools (recent ruling in Montana).  
Yes, our public tax dollars are going towards religious private schools now, thanks to republicans in power.  

It's broken.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4629 on: July 07, 2020, 05:08:36 PM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on July 07, 2020, 05:07:59 PM
Population density?
Lol, don't bring prudence into this.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4630 on: July 07, 2020, 05:09:01 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on July 07, 2020, 05:06:54 PM
So, they are against racism in general, and want it to end? 


Don't we all?
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4631 on: July 07, 2020, 05:09:32 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on July 07, 2020, 05:00:18 PM
So fix it for us. How many steps would it take, what are they, and how will they be implemented?
Right.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4632 on: July 07, 2020, 05:12:35 PM »
Most prestigious private schools operate on shoestring budgets, out of old public school buildings that had been closed and deemed unsuitable. 

Where there's a will, there's a way. 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4633 on: July 07, 2020, 05:27:27 PM »
Quote from: Kris60 on July 07, 2020, 02:29:34 PM
WV and Mississippi annually battle it out for poorest state in the country yet both have crime rates that put them anywhere from the top half to top third of the country.
WV and Mississippi are rural with zero population density. Of course they would have lower crime rates in than highly dense urban areas.
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