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Honestbuckeye

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4648 on: July 07, 2020, 09:18:49 PM »
I got it wrong! I admit it!

Instead of my usual tact of "People's fears of this grand political change are probably overblown" I now agree that this rabble rousing is definitely scary. I am of the most fear.
Well you either inferred or directly said:

the agenda of the BLM movement was not much beyond racial injustice,

questioned if any elected officials were supportive Of it

suggested that even if this agenda exists, it has little chance to see the light of day.

i just shared a factual ( yes, I challenge you to find one word of it that is not factual, as well as one word which is editorial opinion) news  release that 3 congresswomen considered to be rising stars unveiled legislation which damn near matches word for word of the M4BL published platform...

I would just say that your take, this is much ado about nothing, and inferring in an insulting way that it is like some crazy conspiracy theory, is just dead wrong and easily disproved. 

The article does point out that this is not a bill yet, and if it becomes one it will likely not pass the House.  But acting like this is the end and not the beginning of such a platform, especially post November pending a variety of different election outcomes, is either not credible or maybe deceptive.   

based on your posts I would guesstimate that you would strongly support much of these initiatives, and that’s fine if you do.  But I also get the sense you would rather they slide in under the radar so to speak, which is what the game plan appears to be on a broader scale.

so no, you don’t fear any of this..
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Brutus Buckeye

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4649 on: July 07, 2020, 09:24:35 PM »
I've had several contracts with some of these in recent years, one of which is Benet Academy (Frank Kaminsky's HS!!).

You are correct in your assertion. These are old buildings with old innards. The money to fix them is not there unless someone donates it. Tuition pays the teachers and admin (of which there are few, unlike the public systems).

Exactly. 

Then for HS I went to Dublin. They have big, beautiful, brand new facilities. Ostentatious buildings, with all the bells and whistles. Some of the highest paid teachers in the state. Yet the course load was a breeze. 

I learned more at that Middle School in the hundred year old, dilapidated building deemed unfit for use by the public school system, than I did in HS and the first two years of College combined (save Calculus, of course). It was basically just reviewing what I had already learned in my early teens, with less detail and a LOT less homework. 

It is not the money, but the culture that makes a school great. Parents, students and teachers coming together with a common goal. 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4650 on: July 07, 2020, 09:41:26 PM »
It's definitely true that public schools have a lot harder time picking the people who attend them

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4652 on: July 07, 2020, 10:20:57 PM »
From the link:
Crime tends to be higher in areas where large shares of the population are struggling. In New Mexico, which is one of only two states with a violent crime rate more than double the national average, 19.5% of the population lives below the poverty line

by far the highest rape rate of any state. Crime can tend to concentrate in areas that lack economic opportunity. In Alaska, 6.6% of the population was out of a job in 2018, the highest annual unemployment rate among states.


Poverty = crime
Yeah, you mentioned poverty equals crime before.  Then I mentioned WV and Mississippi being two of the poorest states in the country with crime rates below that of most of the nation.

Then, you and others said, “Yeah, well no one lives there. There’s no one to kill or rob.”  So then I link the study which shows the least populated state in the country with more space between neighbors than anywhere else in the country has the worst violent crime rate per 100k people.

Then you circle back to “Well, they’re poor.”

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4653 on: July 07, 2020, 10:54:25 PM »
Keep telling yourself that..  maybe in your mind you it will be true. 

here you have the emerging power of the Democratic Party preparing bills that match what you denied was even real just late night.  Can you just admit when you got it wrong?
"The emerging power"... Yeah... 

Hey, if it was BLM behind this (instead of M4BL) why didn't they call it BLM's proposal? After all, it's kinda at the zenith of BLM's political clout... 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4654 on: July 07, 2020, 10:59:16 PM »
Yeah, you mentioned poverty equals crime before.  Then I mentioned WV and Mississippi being two of the poorest states in the country with crime rates below that of most of the nation.

Then, you and others said, “Yeah, well no one lives there. There’s no one to kill or rob.”  So then I link the study which shows the least populated state in the country with more space between neighbors than anywhere else in the country has the worst violent crime rate per 100k people.

Then you circle back to “Well, they’re poor.”


Well yeah, otherwise he'd have to admit that it is the result of a broken culture that routinely glorifies violent crime and having children out of wedlock, while devaluing hard work, self sufficiency and academic success. And that would be wayciss. 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4655 on: July 07, 2020, 11:34:09 PM »
Well yeah, otherwise he'd have to admit that it is the result of a broken culture that routinely glorifies violent crime and having children out of wedlock, while devaluing hard work, self sufficiency and academic success. And that would be wayciss.
That’s a harsh way to describe Alaskans, but they do need to step up their marriages and self sufficiency.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4656 on: July 07, 2020, 11:39:03 PM »
Yeah, you mentioned poverty equals crime before.  Then I mentioned WV and Mississippi being two of the poorest states in the country with crime rates below that of most of the nation.

Then, you and others said, “Yeah, well no one lives there. There’s no one to kill or rob.”  So then I link the study which shows the least populated state in the country with more space between neighbors than anywhere else in the country has the worst violent crime rate per 100k people.

Then you circle back to “Well, they’re poor.”

I don't even know what you're saying anymore.  
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4657 on: July 07, 2020, 11:46:27 PM »
That’s a harsh way to describe Alaskans, but they do need to step up their marriages and self sufficiency.
Right, Alaska is just a war zone. South Central, on steroids.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4658 on: July 08, 2020, 12:01:47 AM »
I don't even know what you're saying anymore. 
Sigh. If poverty=crime then what is the explanation for states like WV and Mississippi (you can throw Kentucky in there too) having crime rates well below their poverty rate? 

Don’t bring up population density. New Mexico and Alaska’s high crime rates sort of punch holes in that argument.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4659 on: July 08, 2020, 03:22:23 AM »
Sigh. If poverty=crime then what is the explanation for states like WV and Mississippi (you can throw Kentucky in there too) having crime rates well below their poverty rate?

Don’t bring up population density. New Mexico and Alaska’s high crime rates sort of punch holes in that argument.
I'm not sure.  They're all top 5 in teen pregnancy.  Maybe that busies them so that they don't have time or energy to commit crimes?

None of them have huge cities, which I mentioned initially, before you switched it to states.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4660 on: July 08, 2020, 05:58:32 AM »
"The emerging power"... Yeah...

Hey, if it was BLM behind this (instead of M4BL) why didn't they call it BLM's proposal? After all, it's kinda at the zenith of BLM's political clout...
That’s the point.  Got to keep those donations, t- shirt sales, hashtags from our celebrities and positive momentum going.  That can’t happen if the real agenda is exposed.  
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4661 on: July 08, 2020, 06:18:32 AM »
Well yeah, otherwise he'd have to admit that it is the result of a broken culture that routinely glorifies violent crime and having children out of wedlock, while devaluing hard work, self sufficiency and academic success. And that would be wayciss.
Throughout the 70's and 80's America made the conscious decision to incarcerate way more people for way longer and a lot of Americans made the conscious decision to make sure those incarcerated people were black.  It led to an explosion in locked up people that dwarfed other countries.  Broken culture, indeed.

 

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