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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4676 on: July 08, 2020, 08:47:21 AM »
I'm going to form a blue ribbon panel. That'll work.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4677 on: July 08, 2020, 09:02:37 AM »
It's always good when confronting an intractable problem to form a committee, a panel, a study group, assign it to someone else who will produce a report no one ever reads ....

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4678 on: July 08, 2020, 09:10:35 AM »
I commented before that a Thai restaurant near us claims to have been the first established in Atlanta, 1977.  Imagine that, no Thai food here in a metro area at the time probably 2.5 million in population.

I know some folks discard the term "diversity" as a buzz word, and often it is, but there is an element to it important to me anyway, aside from food.  When I meet people from other cultures I am always fascinated.  I've had some long discussions with our neighbor about Turkey and China and South Africa and all the places he has traveled.

I hired back in the day two chemists from Iran.  I hired one fellow from China, one from South Africa, and one from California believe it or not, but never anyone from Wisconsin.  I used to do on campus interviews at Ohio State.  I've been able to travel a bit, not nearly like our friend of course, and I find it very fulfilling and stimulating.

We get "excited" when we hear about a Korean fried chicken place opening up near by, and the noodle place that just opened, and the two Spanish tapas places near us, etc. etc.  And of course wine from wherever is interesting.

My life as a kid was pretty predictable food for dinner, nearly all white people around the area, I think the first black kid in our high school showed up in 10th grade or so.  We didn't have Catholics and very very few anything elses.  Looking back it was rather boring.

That HS now is mostly black kids, they are a football powerhouse.  The area has changed quite a bit of course, and near there is the area with a ton of Mexican and Asian restaurants that line Buford Highway.

When I go to the park, I see all kinds of people, nobody seems to care about it.  It would be great if we could all just get along.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4679 on: July 08, 2020, 10:09:19 AM »
When I go to the park, I see all kinds of people, nobody seems to care about it.  It would be great if we could all just get along.
The truth is that there's only one kind of people, no matter what color their skin is, what religion they call their own, who they prefer to get freaky with, etc.

The problem is that the name for every kind of people is: assholes. 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4680 on: July 08, 2020, 10:15:51 AM »
I find, generally, that MOST people are pretty nice folks.  I often wave at folks as I'm jogging.  There often are trainers out there holding classes, or doing one on ones with younger folks.  There was a small self defense class going on the other day, about 7 young women and a very athletic looking black male teaching.

Fairly often one of the trainers will say something positive to me, like "Keep it up, doing good."

I chatted for a while several times with one fellow whose daughter is out running and he's sitting keeping time.  I see a lot of young mothers out with young children playing in the sand or running around.  

Of course, I tend to have a positive outlook on things.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4681 on: July 08, 2020, 10:26:58 AM »
In education, it's 100% tied to wealth.
Local tax dollars = funding for local schools.  Rich area - more tax dollars - more school funding.  And that's the simple part.  Now we have the avalanche of B.S. "school choice" is taking public dollars and funneling it to charters and now even private schools (recent ruling in Montana). 
Yes, our public tax dollars are going towards religious private schools now, thanks to republicans in power. 

It's broken.
Generally speaking, private schools have a much higher success rate of educating kids than do public schools. While there are a number of factors that contribute to that, it should not be dismissed out of hand simply because you disagree with the political position of the politicians that passed such legislation. 

If my kids were subjected to a failing school where half of the kids didn't want to be there, where there was a drug problem and violence, I would take every opportunity I could to get my kids out of there and into a private school where generally speaking, the kids WANT to be there. And due to how my wife and I have handled our finances over the years, we could afford to do so. 

However, many inner city kids that are being raised in a single parent home, don't have that option yet their families are still paying taxes that support the local public school. What is the harm in allowing those families the same opportunities as those of us in different living conditions? Are they any less deserving of a good education? 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4682 on: July 08, 2020, 10:27:57 AM »
I find, generally, that MOST people are pretty nice folks.  I often wave at folks as I'm jogging.  There often are trainers out there holding classes, or doing one on ones with younger folks.  There was a small self defense class going on the other day, about 7 young women and a very athletic looking black male teaching.

Fairly often one of the trainers will say something positive to me, like "Keep it up, doing good."

I chatted for a while several times with one fellow whose daughter is out running and he's sitting keeping time.  I see a lot of young mothers out with young children playing in the sand or running around. 

Of course, I tend to have a positive outlook on things.
There are a lot of shitty people with excellent manners, bless their hearts

As they say in your neck of the woods...

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4683 on: July 08, 2020, 10:28:30 AM »
Almost no one lives in Appalachia. It's Butt Fuck Egypt territory. Hard to rob, steal, kill when the surrounding population is zero.
You really need to get out more as your generalization of the people of Appalachia is far from accurate. 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4684 on: July 08, 2020, 10:33:38 AM »
In general, generalizations are often not accurate, broadly speaking.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4685 on: July 08, 2020, 10:46:06 AM »
A private school generally speaking can kick out a kid who misbehaves consistently.  They don't need to accept students who are mentally challenged.  They don't HAVE to accept any students they don't like. 

Public schools don't have that option, though they can expel students at some point.  That point is pretty far gone, and some students relish being expelled.

In some public schools, just maintaining any sense of decorum is a major effort, forget about teaching anything.


Yes they do. While I was in HS, 2 kids were kicked out of the school and had to go to school in other districts. 

The difference between public and private is that generally the kids in a private school either want to be there or have parents that are caring enough to do what it takes to ensure that their child has a good education. That generally means that the parent will take an active role in their child's education and work WITH the school instead of against it to see that their child is properly educated.

I was on our local school board for a number of years and I can attest to the fact that some parents would make excuses for their kids and never accept responsibility for making them behave and NOT be disruptive while in school. I had a parent who was a friend of mine, confront me about his kid getting suspended for his behavior at a school dance. The kid was told a number of times to quit what he was doing and was finally kicked out of the dance and then suspended that following Monday. I spoke with the principal and 2 sheriff deputies that were present at the dance to confirm what all happened. And he still wanted to defend his kid instead of holding him accountable for his actions.

I know this is simply anecdotal, but it is a lot of the problem in schools today. Parents see school as nothing but a babysitter and want to second guess everything that the teachers or admin does. If parents took an active roll in their kids education, a lot of problems could be solved. But because they don't, the ones that do care about their kids education, need an opportunity to take their kids to a school that is attended by kids with like minded parents. 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4686 on: July 08, 2020, 10:49:03 AM »
There are a lot of shitty people with excellent manners, bless their hearts.

As they say in your neck of the woods...
I think you are being very pessimistic here. There are far more good people than bad. Like 95 percent good.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4687 on: July 08, 2020, 11:45:40 AM »
so, what can be done to encourage better parents and families

seems many of our issues today stem from unfortunate environments for children

how do we encourage and create better parents?
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4688 on: July 08, 2020, 11:48:25 AM »
Well you either inferred or directly said:

the agenda of the BLM movement was not much beyond racial injustice,

questioned if any elected officials were supportive Of it

suggested that even if this agenda exists, it has little chance to see the light of day.

i just shared a factual ( yes, I challenge you to find one word of it that is not factual, as well as one word which is editorial opinion) news  release that 3 congresswomen considered to be rising stars unveiled legislation which damn near matches word for word of the M4BL published platform...

I would just say that your take, this is much ado about nothing, and inferring in an insulting way that it is like some crazy conspiracy theory, is just dead wrong and easily disproved.

The article does point out that this is not a bill yet, and if it becomes one it will likely not pass the House.  But acting like this is the end and not the beginning of such a platform, especially post November pending a variety of different election outcomes, is either not credible or maybe deceptive. 

based on your posts I would guesstimate that you would strongly support much of these initiatives, and that’s fine if you do.  But I also get the sense you would rather they slide in under the radar so to speak, which is what the game plan appears to be on a broader scale.

so no, you don’t fear any of this..

I honestly don't really want to get too deep in this, because in the end, you are going to be more concerned about this than I am. But I just keep getting pulled in. 

You're right. I overstated the focus of the coalition of groups BLM, and the part of BLM that has a website, is involved with (understated the breadth of its focus). I still doing think it's particularly well organized. 

I didn't question if any elected officials supported it. I disagreed with you that it was gaining to the power to rival the two primary parties. 

Factual challenge on the, I think, Fox News article: Headline: 'Squad' Dems Tlaib, Pressley introduce bill to defund police, give reparations."

Body: "The legislation has not been introduced."

You also wrote three congresswomen, but the article says two. 

To answer your much ado part, I suppose I'm just tired. There's so much to freak out about in the world. I'm worn down by all of it. And if the great worry is "The left is going to get its stuff together and push through pie in the sky stuff" I don't believe it'll happen. I'm just skeptical that way. 

I don't support a lot of what's in that proposal. I'm neutral on chunks of it. I assume 98 percent of it will never push through. I'm guessing you might agree with even a piece or two. 

Anyway, I find it weird that I'm calling for it to "slide in under the radar so to speak." The chunks of it are in a big presentation online. The loudest and most influential voice in media turned it into clicks with ease. Maybe I'm a sleeper cell so sleepy, I don't even know I'm doing it. 

Anyway, I wish we had enough sports to not be discussion this. Hopefully soon.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4689 on: July 08, 2020, 11:49:45 AM »
The truth is that there's only one kind of people, no matter what color their skin is, what religion they call their own, who they prefer to get freaky with, etc.

The problem is that the name for every kind of people is: assholes.
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