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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4214 on: June 30, 2020, 07:37:43 AM »
How would one define being in a gang, legally?

"I am not in no gang."

"Yes you are."

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4215 on: June 30, 2020, 07:41:56 AM »
There are many ways gang members identify themselves. There are also cameras at every corner. These people are all known.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4216 on: June 30, 2020, 07:46:35 AM »
The new boss, Superintendent Brown, came to Chicago from Dallas. I wonder if he's thought about going back? He's also got a State's Attorney and judges working against him. Tough job.


While Brown spent much of his news conference calling for stricter enforcement of gun and drug laws — repeatedly referring to shooters as “evil bastards” — he also acknowledged how hard it is to police the problem away.

“That’s why they’re there — to feed their families,” he said. “It’s a bad choice. But without the help of mentors in my neighborhood, I would have been one of these kids.”

Brown called himself a “community policing person,” and said he believes officers who arrest young people need to use the ride to jail as an opportunity for mentoring. “We have to offer them options,” he said. “If we say, ‘Get off the corner and stop the behavior of selling drugs, carrying a gun,' we have to be able as a city to say, ‘And let me introduce you to an option that will help you provide for your family.‘”

Still, Brown said he believes too many people arrested on drug and gun charges are being released on low bonds or on electronic monitoring — a criticism several of his predecessors regularly voiced. He called drug dealing and possessing guns “precursors to violence.”


“When they have no consequence, violence continues,” he said. “Our endgame is arrest. … Every day we’re going to be clearing corners, every day we’re going to be clearing these drug corners to protect these young people from violence.”


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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4217 on: June 30, 2020, 07:47:23 AM »
There is a difference between "known" and what one can prove in court.

I'm not sure how being a member of an organization could be deemed illegal.  


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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4218 on: June 30, 2020, 08:03:04 AM »
All ideas are welcome. Years of failed policy said so.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4219 on: June 30, 2020, 08:30:17 AM »
You can't get a more failed idea than trying to improve people's lives via constant incarceration

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4220 on: June 30, 2020, 08:32:30 AM »
You can't get a more failed idea than trying to improve people's lives via constant incarceration
Trying to improve the lives of the innocent bystanders may require constant incarceration.

The prisons obviously are not good at reducing recidivism.  My Dad actually had this job back in the day.
But someone in prison isn't going to shoot innocent bystanders.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4221 on: June 30, 2020, 08:32:53 AM »
You can't get a more failed idea than trying to improve people's lives via constant incarceration
I agree. You give them options.

If they choose to not reform, then it's jail, for the safety of others.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4222 on: June 30, 2020, 08:37:17 AM »
I think they would CHOOSE reform, every time, if you asked them and gave them the choice.

And the operate as before out on the streets.

This was the basis for the 3 strikes law, which unfortunately led to some abuses.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4223 on: June 30, 2020, 08:38:28 AM »
Trying to improve the lives of the innocent bystanders may require constant incarceration.

The prisons obviously are not good at reducing recidivism.  My Dad actually had this job back in the day.
But someone in prison isn't going to shoot innocent bystanders.
That's always the theory and in practice it never really works. Illinois incarcerates loads and loads of people, and many out of Chicago, with no real impact. Every corner they clear is a market opportunity for someone else.

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« Reply #4224 on: June 30, 2020, 08:39:47 AM »
I agree. You give them options.

If they choose to not reform, then it's jail, for the safety of others.
Options would require some more heavy lifting. They tried busing kids to better schools, but that meet with a lot of resistance.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4225 on: June 30, 2020, 08:40:09 AM »
That's always the theory and in practice it never really works. Illinois incarcerates loads and loads of people, and many out of Chicago, with no real impact. Every corner they clear is a market opportunity for someone else.
I'd like to hear some ideas on this. What Kim Foxx and her band of judges are doing in Chicago is clearly not working.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4226 on: June 30, 2020, 08:41:23 AM »
Options would require some more heavy lifting. They tried busing kids to better schools, but that meet with a lot of resistance.
Improvement in their neighborhoods would be a great start. Reform in the CPS would be good, starting with busting the CTU.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4227 on: June 30, 2020, 08:48:21 AM »
What is the primary source of funding for gangs?

Bueller?

Take that away from them.

 

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