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Fixed it, meant conservative (red, because they don't want liberals to be labeled as red).

Confusing.

Fair enough.

I still don't really trust state governments and probably feel the people's vote is probably a better route, that is what it is. Maybe it would be better, maybe it would just be a different kind of sliminess. Who is to say?

Is it crystal-clear exactly how presidential candidates would campaign without the EC, and how that would somehow empower more voters, as opposed to empowering the producers of imaginary votes like those in Cook County, IL, when elections are close and additional votes are needed?
I'm sure there are many non-EC scenarios in which some voters would have as little incentive to vote as they do now.

It's interesting.  You know this, of course, but slavery is not mentioned by name in the Constitution.  Slaves were "people held to service."  It's almost like the Framers were ashamed of it.  Actually, the majority of them were.  That was Lincoln's theory, anyway.  And there was the belief (or perhaps wishful thinking) that slavery was dying out and would be insignificant in a generation or two.  That might have been the case had Eli Whitney not invented the cotton gin.
In 1787-88, we didn't have a choice of having a United States with slavery or a United States without slavery.  Our choice was a United States with slavery (with the potential of abolishing it in the future) or no United States.

No Sam.  Let me give you an example of a real life conspiracy theory. I see this on average once or twice a week:

1. Media reports major problem with mail in balloting. Other Media outlets join in and discuss
2.  POTUS says there is major problem with mail in voting
3. Conspiracy theory born and spread..”POTUS” suppressing vote by discussing challenges of mail in voting POTUS fear mongering.
lol.  That’s a conspiracy theory.
my post was just an example of something that could happen.

I conceded that “ the guy” is a POS, but My bigger point, which you seemed to either miss or ignore, is the “ other side” has had nothing to offer but their insane pursuit of the Orange man in their head.  They have done nothing, tried nothing and contributed nothing.  Orange man horrible!!!!!  Ok , so we agree.  But what have they done but waste time and money. ( and tell a lot of lies)

They don’t get a pass with me. Wasted roles and wasted votes and wasted money.  Every damn one of them.  He is the outsider.  The guy like Badge mentioned who came from public life, and will return. They are all career politicians.  We serve them.  It’s all wrong. And when he leaves it won’t change the fact that they are all worthless politicians.  They will continue to screw up, and will blame him for as long as they can, but they can’t play that card forever.  These are people who think the best thing that has happened is the pandemic, since that will finally get them back the power they so crave.  They barely try to hide that.