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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4760 on: July 09, 2020, 09:36:23 PM »
“The Swamp is where Gators live.  We feel comfortable there, but we hope our opponents feel tentative. A swamp is hot and sticky and can be dangerous." - Steve Spurrier

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4761 on: July 09, 2020, 11:36:37 PM »
They should honestly rename this "being American."
Boy you sure do hate America and “ muricans”. 

Not necessarily a bad thing- seems to be popular and contagious.  
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4762 on: July 10, 2020, 12:48:20 AM »
Boy you sure do hate America and “ muricans”.

Not necessarily a bad thing- seems to be popular and contagious. 
Is it hatred behind labeling a tree a tree?
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4763 on: July 10, 2020, 06:15:12 AM »
I read another poll somewhere that like 85% of responders thought they were a better than average driver.  I bet all of us here think that.

I worry about the 15% actually.

When we opine that "they" are dumb, ignorant, bad drivers, whatever, we are saying WE are better than them.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4764 on: July 10, 2020, 06:51:05 AM »
I of course enjoy looking down my long white educated nose at THOSE people who are not worthy of me.  Peasants, all of them.

Bring back nobility and serfdom I say....

Put US in charge and let US run the economy.  We're the smart people, we don't shop at Walmart because we KNOW better.  Those poor sops need to be told what they should be able to buy and not buy.  I say let US plan this economy for the country from some central entity populated with SMART people, not this invisible hand thing, which I can't even see.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4765 on: July 10, 2020, 07:21:45 AM »
I don't know.  Those parents have their own subpar childhoods influencing their undesirable ideologies and behaviors now. 

What doesn't help are the positive, helpful parents removing their students from local public schools.  If the school community is positive and their child brings home positive things, that's going to make it more likely for the 'other' families to buy-in.  If their only contact are negative phone calls from school and their child only has negative stories to bring home, then it's the same old shit and they have no incentive to improve.

I've always taught at Title 1 schools and have lived in poorer areas and if I may, one thing I've learned is that when people are poor, anything that isn't an immediate need is irrelevant.  Following traffic laws?  Nah.  Holding a door open?  Right.  Sitting down with my child and asking them about their day, earnestly?  Nuh uh.  Turning down my music because it's late and my neighbors might not appreciate it?  Puh-lease.
I understand this is a wide, general...generalization.  It's unfair to many, but it's still real-world observations over the course of years.

Anyway, it's about immediate needs/wants being met.  A 20 year old interacts very differently with you if they're texting on their phone than if their phone just got cut off.  A parent suddenly doesn't have time to help with homework when they're trying to do the math that gets them to the end of the month (math they struggle with in the first place).

How to provide that?  I don't know.  Universal basic income?  Too liberal, right?  Raising the minimum wage?  Destroys all small businesses, I know, I know. 

Basically what it comes down to is that we have 2 options and maybe both will be required.  We're going to need one generation to be amazing and just "get it" and yearn to do better.  And we need to remove excuses from the generation before it by just inundating them with assistance.  I know, that's a dirty word, but instead of decades of assistance that keeps the same ghettos from the 70s still ghettos today, a one-gen only deluge of help might do it.  Might turn a corner.  Might move the needle in the right direction. 

I doubt any of you will agree, and that's fine.  I don't claim to have THE answer, it's just a shot in the dark.  But financially, this is superior to what's been going on.  It's like a contract with a football player - no one-year deal is a bad deal from the team's perspective, no matter how rich.  The problem that hamstrings teams are bad long-term deals.  We've had a bad long-term deal with poverty for decades.  Cutting a fat, virtual one-year deal is, at least, something different.
I understand what you are proposing and get why you feel this way. However, the one thing that I have come to realize over the years is that if you give people money/things, they don't tend to appreciate it. If they EARN it, they take ownership. 

I've seen this with my own kids. Things that they were given were not cared for as much as those things that they had to work for. While my wife and I did our best to provide for many of our kids wants, we found that the more they were given, the less they appreciated it. However, once they began working and paying for those same items, they took ownership and saw the value in taking care of those things that they worked hard for.

This translates to the community at large. Most people, not all but most, when provided with housing, clothes, phones, etc. tend to treat them as though they will be replaced by the same people that provided them in the first place. You wonder why public housing is in such disrepair? There is no ownership. If it breaks, oh well, not my problem. 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4766 on: July 10, 2020, 08:03:23 AM »
I think were I "in charge" I would try and start small and run experiments in separate similar areas.  I know I don't have THE answer.  Maybe some of the answers just don't work.  Try a variety of plausible ideas and see which work best, and yes, this takes a lot of time.

Maybe try the broken window concept in an area.  Maybe try spending a lot of money on schools.  Maybe try the enterprise concept in some areas.  Maybe enlist willing corporations to invest in some areas appropriately.  

I do think the drug problem is a problem on many levels, not just that we have addicts.  If I had no realistic hope in life, being an addict with dulled senses is probably better than reality for me.  Maybe legalize and control prostitution.  Legalize and control drugs.  Use the proceeds from selling drugs for drug programs to get people off drugs and working at something, even if picking up trash and litter.

I suspect everyone agrees there is no silver bullet that can make an obvious difference in 2-3 years.  Some might show promise in that time.

Then what do you do about gentrification.  That is a huge factor near where we live.  I have been shocked to see areas I would have avoided in 1970 now being thriving well kept neighborhoods.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4767 on: July 10, 2020, 08:29:41 AM »
I think were I "in charge" I would try and start small and run experiments in separate similar areas.  I know I don't have THE answer.  Maybe some of the answers just don't work.  Try a variety of plausible ideas and see which work best, and yes, this takes a lot of time.

Maybe try the broken window concept in an area.  Maybe try spending a lot of money on schools.  Maybe try the enterprise concept in some areas.  Maybe enlist willing corporations to invest in some areas appropriately. 

I do think the drug problem is a problem on many levels, not just that we have addicts.  If I had no realistic hope in life, being an addict with dulled senses is probably better than reality for me.  Maybe legalize and control prostitution.  Legalize and control drugs.  Use the proceeds from selling drugs for drug programs to get people off drugs and working at something, even if picking up trash and litter.

I suspect everyone agrees there is no silver bullet that can make an obvious difference in 2-3 years.  Some might show promise in that time.

Then what do you do about gentrification.  That is a huge factor near where we live.  I have been shocked to see areas I would have avoided in 1970 now being thriving well kept neighborhoods.
It's already been done, and it's working, so far. If you want to know more, ask me about it.

In a nutshell, people in poverty are being lifted up through education, which was made possible by volunteers, business donors and individual donors.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4768 on: July 10, 2020, 08:40:37 AM »
I've mentioned before that our HS in Cincy was "lily white" and then incorporated an area south of the district that was, well, not.  It caused quite a furor at the time (1975ish).  The advantage they had was a very large industrial base for taxes (GE was there, 20,000 employees at the time).  Over time, there was some white flight, the neighboring Sycamore school district was 95% white and property values were 20% higher than where we lived.  I could see houses in that district through the trees.  

At the time my kids attended, the school had discipline issues and a number of security officers.  Many of the black kids of course came from poor broken homes and some had serious discipline problems.  But some used the opportunity to do quite well.  Most of them had single parents, moms.  (There also were poor white kids, the issues were not entirely black by any means.)  The school offered an IB program, one of few in the state.  The top kids would go to schools like Stanford and MIT every year, I would go to the Senior Awards ceremony to present our scholarship.

It's a decent success story because some, maybe many, of those black kids ended up with far better educations than they would have had in an all black school with a limited tax base.  Another couple awarded a scholarship to the first HS graduate to go to college from that family.

Education is the key, but getting there is not so easy of course.  It's somewhat like the virus spread, if society can spin out well educated black kids faster than thugs and gang members, over time it works itself out.

My whole family was in education except me, my great uncle was head of the state dept of ed for many years.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4769 on: July 10, 2020, 10:32:30 AM »
I think were I "in charge" I would try and start small and run experiments in separate similar areas.  I know I don't have THE answer.  Maybe some of the answers just don't work.  Try a variety of plausible ideas and see which work best, and yes, this takes a lot of time.

I would guess something that "worked" in one area may not "work" in a very similar area, just like one coaching staff may do well with a certain program, but when hired by a similar program the same methods just don't do the trick.

but, gotta keep trying and be flexible and innovative
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4770 on: July 10, 2020, 10:34:23 AM »
It's already been done, and it's working, so far. If you want to know more, ask me about it.

In a nutshell, people in poverty are being lifted up through education, which was made possible by volunteers, business donors and individual donors.
if more of the top wealthy folks, organizations would give back in various ways there might be enough money to change things drastically for the future
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4771 on: July 10, 2020, 11:10:36 AM »
Exactly. It has to be done, starting right now. AND it CANNOT be led by government. No more progrums.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4772 on: July 10, 2020, 11:22:00 AM »
I think this one belongs on THIS thread, not the Virus thread.


https://www.foxnews.com/world/chinese-virologist-coronavirus-cover-up-flee-hong-kong-whistleblower


EXCLUSIVE: Chinese virologist accuses Beijing of coronavirus cover-up, flees Hong Kong: 'I know how they treat whistleblowers'
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4773 on: July 10, 2020, 11:26:53 AM »
fox fake news
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