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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5782 on: August 04, 2020, 12:53:45 PM »
Quote from: CWSooner on August 04, 2020, 10:20:20 AM
As to the Senators not "answering to the people," that was by design.  The people had their Representatives in "the people's house," answerable every two years.
Senators being chosen in a different way from Representatives was one of the checks and balances.  The Progressives did not like checks and balances, because they wanted to pass legislation.  Making Senators more like Representatives with longer terms was a way to weaken one of the checks.  Direct election of Senators had been a Popululist demand before the Progressives arrived on the scene.  Short of the KKK, the American Nazi Party, and the Communist Party USA, Populists and Progressives are my two least-favorite political movements in American history.  If they both support an idea, my default analysis is that it was a bad one.
Fair enough. 

I still don't really trust state governments and probably feel the people's vote is probably a better route, that is what it is. Maybe it would be better, maybe it would just be a different kind of sliminess. Who is to say?
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5783 on: August 04, 2020, 01:10:49 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on August 04, 2020, 12:39:28 PM
Hillary won 2016 by about 3 million votes and Obama in 2012 by about 5 million. How on earth could they afford to ignore millions of voters?
well, they certainly couldn't afford to ignore millions of voters in large cities.

Besides, I'd guess less than 2 million people in Iowa went to the polls and voted.

how much time and energy to impress folks in Houston and San Antonio, TX with more people than the entire state of Iowa.  Do they even bother with Nebraska, or just run a couple media adds in Omaha and Lincoln.

Wyoming?  North Dakota?
I understand a vote is a vote and they all count.  But when trying to get 3 million more votes than your opponent, you're not spending much time if any at all in Nebraska or Wyoming.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5784 on: August 04, 2020, 01:18:04 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on August 04, 2020, 12:39:28 PM
Hillary won 2016 by about 3 million votes and Obama in 2012 by about 5 million. How on earth could they afford to ignore millions of voters?
Easy.  Clinton lost 32 of the 50 states.
the state’s elect the president.  As it should be in a republic.  
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5785 on: August 04, 2020, 01:21:07 PM »
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on August 04, 2020, 01:18:04 PM
Easy.  Clinton lost 32 of the 50 states.
the state’s elect the president.  As it should be in a republic. 
He's talking about the game theory of ignoring voters. Like right now it favors both parties to ignore states they are almost certain to win or lose. If the votes there are counted individually it becomes much less tactical to ignore them.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5786 on: August 04, 2020, 01:26:57 PM »
Should a plurality be sufficient, or should we demand a majority?  Folks talk about majority vote winning, so maybe it's the latter.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5787 on: August 04, 2020, 01:42:26 PM »
I don't understand why people (progressives) continually want to shit all over our Constitution.

If they don't like it, why not just GTFO?
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5788 on: August 04, 2020, 01:53:01 PM »
I think if I don't like it, the best thing to do is try and change it to make it better, legally.  We have a provision for that.

I'm just tired, Boss.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5789 on: August 04, 2020, 01:56:34 PM »
I mentioned this story before, I walked over to see the orthopedic guy about my shoulder.  (The wife did the same.)  He sent me to X-ray first, took 10 minutes or so.  He then sent me for an MRI.  They scheduled me for about 2 hours later in the afternoon.  (The bill was $4731, which I didn't pay, yet.)  The doc had my MRI a day later and scheduled surgery two weeks later.

I mentioned to the wife "Just like in France, eh?" and she's still laughing about that.  Now, I'm sure this whole gig will be ridiculously expensive, using the lists prices, probably $30 K or so.  But it is amazingly fast and streamlined.  And of course I have Grade A insurance apparently.

The wife starts PT tomorrow morning, early, and then I have the dreaded lurgy test (which is "free").
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5790 on: August 04, 2020, 02:06:12 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on August 04, 2020, 01:56:34 PM
I mentioned this story before, I walked over to see the orthopedic guy about my shoulder.  (The wife did the same.)  He sent me to X-ray first, took 10 minutes or so.  He then sent me for an MRI.  They scheduled me for about 2 hours later in the afternoon.  (The bill was $4731, which I didn't pay, yet.)  The doc had my MRI a day later and scheduled surgery two weeks later.

I mentioned to the wife "Just like in France, eh?" and she's still laughing about that.  Now, I'm sure this whole gig will be ridiculously expensive, using the lists prices, probably $30 K or so.  But it is amazingly fast and streamlined.  And of course I have Grade A insurance apparently.

The wife starts PT tomorrow morning, early, and then I have the dreaded lurgy test (which is "free").
Heh well you didn't have cancer, that requires three months of physical therapy before you get an MRI
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5791 on: August 04, 2020, 02:12:32 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on August 04, 2020, 01:53:01 PM
I think if I don't like it, the best thing to do is try and change it to make it better, legally.  We have a provision for that.

I'm just tired, Boss.
There is no way to make this country better. The founders had it right, and their successors mostly had it right with Amendments.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5792 on: August 04, 2020, 02:17:46 PM »
Obviously, different people have different views about what would be better (me included, but my views are "unlikely" to find traction).

There is a process for changing from the EC to something else, a few details might be needed in that something else of course.  Have at it.

I think it would spark some unintended changes in our political system, some of which could be good, some perhaps not.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5793 on: August 04, 2020, 02:19:22 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on August 04, 2020, 02:12:32 PM
There is no way to make this country better. The founders had it right, and their successors mostly had it right with Amendments.
well, that's just like your opinion, Dude
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5794 on: August 04, 2020, 02:22:32 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on August 04, 2020, 02:19:22 PM
well, that's just like your opinion, Dude
His too.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5795 on: August 04, 2020, 02:24:21 PM »

Quote from: longhorn320 on August 04, 2020, 01:48:02 PM

Detroit is by far the highest so if youre gonna exclude it then you have to exclude the St Louis area as well 
You could exclude every poorly run city in this country and the totals would shrink a whole lot.


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