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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #448 on: February 24, 2020, 06:45:35 AM »
Wasn't there a huge grape blight 100+ years ago that caused them to import vines from California?

Apparently Bordeaux is at the same latitude as Napa, and Rhone at the same latitude as Paso Robles. And hence Napa is Cab country while Paso loves their GSM blends...
Their vines were heavily hit by phylloxera in the late 1800s.  They managed by using root stock of vines from the US, not the entire vines, just the root stocks.  Vines are generally grafted onto roots.  They don't like talking about this.


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apa is at the same latitude as Rome/Spain and a fair bit south of Bordeaux.  Whether an area is good for cab depends on much more than latitude of course.  In Sonoma county for example, the Russian River valley is good for pinot/chardonnay, and 10 miles away in Alexander Valley it is good for cab and Rhone varietals.  The Rhone valley area is quite long but quite a bit north of Paso.  The broad term for where a certain varietal may be good is "terroir", which is a combination of soil, altitude, sun exposure, and latitude.  Soils that are4 gravely and drain well tend to be preferred, like the subregion called Graves in Bordeaux.  

Oddly, the expensive wines Petrus and Cheval Blanc in Bordeaux are in clay dominant areas.  Chablis is on a limestone outcropping (Kimmerridgian).  Champagne is the northern most major wine growing region and the vines are planted on south facing slopes to get as much direct sun as possible.  Their still wines reputedly are not very good which is why they nearly always are "carbonated" by a specific method.

The main wine regions of France are Bordeaux, Burgundy (which includes Chablis and Beaujolais), the Rhone valley, and Champagne.  If you know those, you are in good shape.  Bordeaux corresponds loosely to Napa and Burgundy with Sonoma (in parts) and Oregon, you need cooler weather at night for pinot noir and chardonnay.

Champagne is nearly always chardonnay, with at times pinot noir and pinot meunier, blanc de noir would have only the latter two and is still white wine.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #449 on: February 24, 2020, 07:31:15 AM »

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #450 on: February 24, 2020, 07:35:55 AM »


If you ever read the book "Pillars of the Earth", you might get a fictional general idea of how these things were built, but seeing them in person, well, I can't imagine it anyway.  Aside from the shear size of the main pillars and the weight of those blocks cut and hoisted into place, there is the artistry of the carvings and stained glass that is incredible, literally.  This is the cathedral at Chartres, but the one at Orlean is perhaps even more impressive.






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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #451 on: February 24, 2020, 07:36:50 AM »


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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #452 on: February 24, 2020, 07:46:48 AM »
Brisket grilled cheese and smoked tomato bisque. Both recipes from Vindulge:

https://www.vindulge.com/brisket-grilled-cheese-sandwiches/
https://www.vindulge.com/smoked-tomato-bisque/





Boom, that's what I'm talking about. I do brisket grilled cheese pretty regularly, although my favorite use for leftover brisket is enchiladas.  I always use cheddar and maybe some monterrey jack, but their suggestion of mixing with gruyere or comte is a strong one.  Gruyere might be my favorite cheese on the planet.  

There's a restaurant in Houston that does a different take on brisket-grilled cheese, they use a housemade piemiento cheese spread as the cheese portion, and it adds a different whang to the whole deal.  Really tasty.

So, what wine would you say pairs best with brisket grilled cheese?

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #453 on: February 24, 2020, 07:58:25 AM »

So, what wine would you say pairs best with brisket grilled cheese?
I think I'd have to do many repeat experiments to answer this correctly.  Ha.

I'm going to throw a curve here and go with Sancere.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #454 on: February 24, 2020, 08:15:52 AM »
Speaking of food, this was lunch we had in Chablis.


I see a lot of plate with no food on it. ;)

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #455 on: February 24, 2020, 08:18:44 AM »
I see a lot of plate with no food on it. ;)
Yeah, this is of course typical of French cuisine, but I guarantee nobody leaves hungry.  This is sort of the antithesis of Golden Corral.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #456 on: February 24, 2020, 08:33:49 AM »
Wasn't there a huge grape blight 100+ years ago that caused them to import vines from California?

Apparently Bordeaux is at the same latitude as Napa, and Rhone at the same latitude as Paso Robles. And hence Napa is Cab country while Paso loves their GSM blends...
Soil and precipitation are more important than latitude.


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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #457 on: February 24, 2020, 08:34:19 AM »
so, obviously you inspired Cincy

BoneDaddy's doesn't offer beef ribs on the reg menu, but it was 2 years ago today that I was at Louie Mueller's in Taylor enjoying a beef rib
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #458 on: February 24, 2020, 08:38:22 AM »
I think I'd have to do many repeat experiments to answer this correctly.  Ha.

I'm going to throw a curve here and go with Sancere.
I think a big Zin would work quite well with that beautiful dish that I will be copying very soon.

I like this one, from Scott Harvey. His Barbera is excellent too.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #459 on: February 24, 2020, 08:43:00 AM »
A few things some might not know about France:

5.  We heavily bombed a number of cities in France in WW 2, Rennes, Orlean, Caen, Rouen, among a few others.  Himmler had the Panier district of Marseille dynamited in 1943.

From reading Max Hastings,John Keegan,Antony Beevo,Niall Barr - Normandy absolutely got pummeled.Forget the numbers but at least as many inhabitants as combatants perished.I had read during Montgomery's attempt to take Caen 7,000 tons of ordinance were dropped per mile from Air Corp and Naval Guns offshore.The Caen went from 65,000 to like 16,000 people.The countryside resembeled a lunar landscape and the city was ruble from descriptions
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #460 on: February 24, 2020, 08:45:42 AM »
I see a lot of plate with no food on it. ;)
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #461 on: February 24, 2020, 08:48:11 AM »
I've stayed in Caen.  And yes, quite a bit of it was leveled, as much by artillery and street fighting as bombing.  St. Lo was the same.  In between is the nice town of Bayeux which was not touched at all.  It is a great place to stay if you visit.

We bombed rail centers like Orlean and Rennes and Rouen where little street fighting happened.


 

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