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Kris60

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6944 on: August 26, 2020, 05:27:29 PM »
I didn't really claim that. I said it had become common and accepted. I don't know when it became common and accepted. I'm not omnipotent. The statistics on killing are nebulous, and the statistics on cops pointing guns at people are infinitely more nebulous.


Do you not see the irony that in one breath you are saying that cops pointing guns at people has become too common and then in the next you say the statistics on cops pointing guns at people is nebulous?

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6945 on: August 26, 2020, 05:32:20 PM »
It's easy to condemn rioting, violence, and looting. But one also has to condemn the reasons why rioting happens. And that's a place that many don't want to go.

Go watch MLK Jr.'s "The Other America" speech. It's well worth your time.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOWDtDUKz-U
Corporate America sending jobs overseas while their board shills are getting golden parachutes and tax breaks to boot have been greasing the skids for a long time.Corrupt politicians getting raises while voting down benefits for others while taking directives from the 1%.I've been for Main Street against Wall Street for years as I'm sure many here have been.Honest profit earned is great but it appears the Rich and even poor have been represented - the middle class has been screwed.Make to much to get government benefits but not enough to get the write offs/tax breaks of the wealthy.I know a lot of people getting laid off in the local schools yet not one of the too many Admns,nor are they taking pay cuts.I know some of these tossers and they wouldn't cut it in the private sector
Suburbia:Where they tear out the trees & then name streets after them.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6946 on: August 26, 2020, 05:40:50 PM »
Had a good time skiiing.  Took a bus back to Colby, then the re-engined Chevy back to Norman.
Hope they changed the engine out and not just the rod - 327 maybe
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6947 on: August 26, 2020, 05:41:54 PM »
In several industrialized countries the beat police don't carry firearms at all. I wish we could do that here, but with our elevated levels of firearms ownership, I don't know that police officers could do their jobs safely without their own firearms. 

That sucks, too.

I don't know if it's more or less common that police draw their handguns on people, but I believe (without knowing or any specific evidence) that we have militarized our police more than in the past. I also believe there have been good reasons for much of that change--for instance most police wear body armor now. That didn't happen by accident.

I'm not sure if we've discussed this here before, but Kalashnikov's rifle revolutionized individual firearms, which, particularly following the expiration of the hideously named "Federal Assault Weapons Ban, has revolutionized the weaponry the common U.S. citizen (who chooses to) carries. Yes, bad guys could always get guns, and what good mob movie doesn't include Tommy guns (fully automatics were't illegal until 1934)? Nonetheless, the individual weapon of choice has changed and is much more powerful now than it used to be. I don't know the specifics, and it isn't limited to a change in rifle ownership--a similar change has occurred in handguns. I suspect (again, without anything more than belief) that police are more fearful now of the threat posed by individual gun owners than in decades past. Which is curious, because although the number of firearms sold has gone up, the number of firearms owners has declined significantly.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6948 on: August 26, 2020, 05:50:25 PM »
« Last Edit: August 26, 2020, 06:22:55 PM by Cincydawg »

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6949 on: August 26, 2020, 05:51:31 PM »
A very low percentage of murders are committed with rifles of all kinds, for obvious reasons.


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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6950 on: August 26, 2020, 05:57:26 PM »
Do you not see the irony that in one breath you are saying that cops pointing guns at people has become too common and then in the next you say the statistics on cops pointing guns at people is nebulous?
No. The absence of data makes things very difficult to measure. We don't know how life began. Does that mean life doesn't exist? No. That would be stupid. Similarly, when you have frequent interactions where cops are pointing at guns at people, video of cops holding children at gunpoint, chips saying it's their policy to hold children at gunpoint, it is very easy to say it's become common and accepted.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6952 on: August 26, 2020, 06:07:20 PM »
No. The absence of data makes things very difficult to measure. We don't know how life began. Does that mean life doesn't exist? No. That would be stupid. Similarly, when you have frequent interactions where cops are pointing at guns at people, video of cops holding children at gunpoint, chips saying it's their policy to hold children at gunpoint, it is very easy to say it's become common and accepted.
Your comparison is absurd.  Saying that life exists is factual. Saying cops point guns at people is factual.  Saying it’s common and accepted is an opinion.

I could just as easily say it is uncommon and my claim would have just as much validity as yours.


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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6953 on: August 26, 2020, 06:08:16 PM »
Your comparison is absurd.  Saying that life exists is factual. Saying cops point guns at people is factual.  Saying it’s common and accepted is an opinion.

I could just as easily say it is uncommon and my claim would have just as much validity as yours.


Then fucking say it! It's a message board not a peer review article

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6954 on: August 26, 2020, 06:20:03 PM »
In any exchange of views, it is common for a person to be less clear than he hoped.  Another may question him on the wording, and normally a person would respond "Let me say it this way, perhaps my comments were not precisely what I meant."

If shooting dogs HAS BECOME more common, it's a concern.  One might want to investigate any reasons for that TREND.  If it has stayed constant over time, perhaps adjusted for population etc., then it may be a concern, but perhaps it less of one because it is status quo.  One might wish to change status quo, but it's a different kind of issue.


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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6955 on: August 26, 2020, 06:25:27 PM »
If anyone cares, the rifle below is able to fire the same cartridge as the AR-15 at the same rate of fire with the same muzzle velocity etc.  It doesn't look nearly as scary though.  And yes, it can accept very large capacity magazines, just like an AR-15.




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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6956 on: August 26, 2020, 06:29:00 PM »
Yet another thing that has become common and accepted - full body cavity searches

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.azcentral.com/amp/1873153001

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6957 on: August 26, 2020, 06:30:54 PM »
Then fucking say it! It's a message board not a peer review article
Thank you! Finally, someone admits it that a feeling or emotion they have is just that, a feeling or emotion. It really isn’t backed by anything.  But you and I are just arguing on a message board.

There are idiots burning this country down based on feelings that, when you really start looking into them, aren’t based on anything substantive.

 

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