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It might be true that they think it's a bad idea, HB, but it's irrelevant.  What the POTUS says, and fear of what he might say, is driving every political calculation they make.

I say that as a lifelong Republican.

You may be right.  I would say almost the opposite     Whatever influence he had on them, which was less than many POTUS typically do, is at its all time low. That’s why so many break from his position or openly call him out. 
The public pressure they feel to go along with the movement- whatever the hell it is/ is at an all time high for this group.  

You may be right.  I would say almost the opposite    Whatever influence he had on them, which was less than many POTUS typically do, is at its all time low. That’s why so many break from his position or openly call him out.
The public pressure they feel to go along with the movement- whatever the hell it is/ is at an all time high for this group.

I can only think of two who have seriously broken with him.  Mitt Romney and Lisa Murkowski.  Justin Amash too, but he left the party.  Elsewhere, it's either lock-step or "I don't want to talk about that."

I could get with this- if it could somehow include that they can defend themselves or others- in the heat of mayhem, when violence is already happening.

that’s hard when we can’t agree on when that applies. 

I am never going to be ok with police brutality- but I have seen law enforcement beaten savagely by groups for no other reason then they isolated the officer.  We saw police doing simple response to calls and having buckets of water thrown on them      Over 800 officers injured in the protests.   

what we now have is what you wished for.  They are very afraid to act, in any way.  Those who wii should them harm have no such fear- in fact they feel empowered. 

I've seen some videos to the contrary. If we had what I wished for, and cops were afraid to inflict more harm than necessary, job well done, but I don't think we're actually there or even close to being there. 

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I've seen some videos to the contrary. If we had what I wished for, and cops were afraid to inflict more harm than necessary, job well done, but I don't think we're actually there or even close to being there.

How many law enforcement officers do you know personally?  I only ask because I occasionally workout at same gym with a big group.  they feel paralyzed.  They feel like they are not even allowed to defend themselves. 

again, people see a thing or 2 and paint a broad brush.  In all directions

Yet if we think they're making individual decisions on the merits of the bill, how is it 60:1 difference in cosponsors? There aren't a handful of libertarian leaning Republicans who think this is a good idea?

No, what happened is that Republican congressional leadership says "we're killing this bill" and regardless of what POTUS thinks nobody wanted to go against House leadership.

Maybe.  But it is a very liberal ( NOT BAD) reaction, and some feel overreaction (NOT AGREEING) to current public attention.  The conservatives genuinely are not reacting that way (NOT AGREEING) and almost always oppose something they feel will cause court cases ( MAY)be a mistake)



in other words- I know some might find it hard to believe- but Many many people just think it is a bad idea. 

Of course your point about partisanship is very true. They could propose the same bill with the exact same words regarding any topic and if it was authored by a Democrat you’ll get the same type of split but if it was offered by a Republican you’d get the reverse.

How many law enforcement officers do you know personally?  I only ask because I occasionally workout at same gym with a big group.  they feel paralyzed.  They feel like they are not even allowed to defend themselves.

again, people see a thing or 2 and paint a broad brush.  In all direction

Haven't talked to any of my cop friends for awhile until thursday when I bumped into a retired detective.Played softball together for over 15 yrs.He now is an instructor at a Vocational/Trade Center.But we did a lot of catching up on who's doing what.Maybe the mellowest guy I know - the only time I ever seen him pissed was at a cheap shot taken by an opponenet to one of our playars sliding into 2nd.We had one guy on our team that was a hot headed knob and detective didn't like him also.Most of the LEO's i knew were more than fair and you wouldn't even guess they were cops if you didn't know it