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I don't see how anyone could claim "most cops are racist" in large cities, unless you mean to say black cops are racist against Asians or something.

Or their own race.  Or something.

Certainly back in the day when police forces were all white, sure.

if you want to have a discussion as to how to weed out the bad apples Im all for it

if on the other hand you feel most cops are racist then we have nothing to discuss

It's hard. Think about this: many of these issues occur in big, liberal cities. Minneapolis is very white, but even Minneapolis is a somewhat liberal city. Eric Garner occurred in NYC. Rodney King occurred in LA. Which suggests that something MUCH bigger than racism is involved.

Why do these liberal cities not fix the problem? While, one issue is public sector unions. The police union tries to make it impossible to discipline cops (which of course, as a union supporting their members, makes sense) because they want to ensure discipline is fair. In reality, they create so many hurdles to jump through that discipline is near impossible. There's a reason that being put on "paid administrative leave" is such a cutting joke about bad cops when they do something legitimately heinous enough to be investigated. Because the unions made it hard to just fire someone for being a bad apple. And the liberal cities are full of politicians that are pro-union [and receive union campaign donations], so they realize their careers might be cut short by opposing the police union.

Individually, I think the good cops know that speaking out against their colleagues, largely for the reason above [near-impossible to actually discipline anyone and get rid of them], is ineffectual. They also know that they're on a team with the rest of their department. The minute their colleagues believe that he's not going to have their back, they're not going to have his. And it's usually easy to rationalize not speaking up, of course, because while the bad apple might have gone too far, the victim of the abuse wasn't exactly a "good guy", he was a criminal. So it's easy to just shut your mouth and not rock the boat. And over time, that jaded position becomes the norm inside a department. 

District attorneys are generally political positions as well. They're the ones tasked with charging criminals, so when a police brutality case is brought before them to charge or not, they realize they have the same structural incentives as city politicians: don't piss off the constituency that is pro-police, don't piss off the union kingmakers who can fight against you in the next election, don't piss off the police who can engage in subtle harassment of you and your family because you prosecuted one of theirs. 

That circle of the venn diagram reads "the police system is structurally corrupt and regularly refuses to prosecute cops"... I believe that to be true for the reasons above, even though I don't believe that most cops, DAs, or politicians themselves are corrupt. That's where the structural corruption comes in. It's a system that takes in mostly good people, and ends up with bad outcomes. 

We have a class problem. We have an income inequality problem. There is an entire class of people who have very little options or a way out. And when many of those people turn to crime to make a living because they want to make a real living and not work a bullshit job that pays them next to nothing- well they’re going to run into police at a much higher rate than people who don’t lead a life of crime.

Good Post.I understand theft if you're broke or doing something others deem shady if your circumstances are dire.But until the problem of unprovoked violence is HONESTLY  addressed playing the violins will fall on deaf ears - the wedge has been driven in.There really is no one i despise more Than corporate 1%ers who've had Lobbyists/lawyers making or changing regulations/laws in the halls of congress to benefit themselves while the masses soldier on in increasingly climbing inflation.These are trickle down problems from the uber rich who are hardly getting taxed on shit anymore.They've been moving headquarters out of the country to evade taxes.But still have the same access to the lucrative American Markets.Fine tax them as an import.And god damn the political stooges who let all of this happen.Just look at some of the nauseating golden parachutes or the too big to fail government bail outs.The middle class is getting spurred in the finacial side for quite some time and it doesn't seem to be abating

I need to see the receipts on that. I was looking at some data and it appeared to not be correct. More and more don't have a true majority, but not majority black.

Anyway, yes, having a high degree of power over people and pretty limited oversight is really problematic, not only in causing deaths, but also in a range of situations across the justice system.

Atlanta’s population is just over 50% black. Detroit’s population is just under 90% black. Baltimore is 65% black. New Orleans is 60+% black. It stands to reason that most of the police in these cities should be black. Especially a city like Detroit which is basically 90% black. I think it’s gone down to 87% because of a massive wave of millennial hipster woke white douchefags who grew up with silver spoons up their asses in affluent suburbs 30-40 miles from Detroit have decided to move to Detroit and get ripped off paying $1,000,000+ for a shitty loft in a shit hole neighborhood or spend $4,500 a month renting “penthouse” apartments downtown. Do you have any idea what kind of apartment you could rent in Brickell in Miami for $4,500 a month? Why on f****king earth would anyone pay that to live in downtown Detroit. Lmao.

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Not familiar with this site, but I believe we will see more stories about "who is at fault".   Over the weekend I read theories on who is causing the escalations... I've heard protesters, right wing instigators, far left anarchists, undercover cops and even Russia.   I'm hoping we learn more but I find the fact that bricks show up at all these protests interesting.

The entire point of the upper right circle is that the system protects the bad apples instead of weeding them out. It's why the bad apples feel safe to act the way they do; there are rarely, if ever, consequences.

I believe the vast majority of cops are good. But I think even they feel impotent to bring these other cops in line because they know their departments will shun them if they try to take down the bad apples.

this could be said about federal politicians

The majority of the departments are black in most major cities.

I keep noting that.  Are they racist?  I can see a charge they can tend to be power mad and resort to EF too readily.

Perhaps the issue is not racism, but people in positions of authority becoming very jaded about the public and seeing all of us as grist for their mill, not trusting anyone.

this has been my experience being white and dealing with white cops
also was, part of the criminal justice class I took in college in the early 80's