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bayareabadger

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2338 on: May 31, 2020, 11:25:36 PM »
I was thinking about how often MLK is brought up in all this. His approach was the gold standard. But the details are often overlooked.

1. It took such a level of discipline, planning and selection process to cultivate people who would take that sort of abuse. Like that is remarkable.

2. Although Cincy spoke about the challenge of change, we've seen a good degree of it, and in truth, that positive thing creates the space for riots (this is a degree of spitballing because I've not studied it deeply). When MLK marched, those law enforcement folks would kill folks or savage them to a large degree and have not all that much compunction about it. So I suppose that rolling back the deadly power of the state is in some ways a positive.

Anyway, someone on twitter pointed out you can find short videos that prove your point on either side. Some real ugly stuff from a blend of protesters getting militants/opportunistic shits and a lot of LEOs not covering themselves in glory. 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2339 on: June 01, 2020, 12:17:51 AM »
Anyway, someone on twitter pointed out you can find short videos that prove your point on either side. Some real ugly stuff from a blend of protesters getting militants/opportunistic shits and a lot of LEOs not covering themselves in glory.
That's not exactly an even comparison, as law enforcement takes an "oath of honor" to protect and serve and the other group is the masses. 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2340 on: June 01, 2020, 12:25:30 AM »
I saw this today.  I like it.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2341 on: June 01, 2020, 12:26:41 AM »
Nailed it. Venn diagram ftw. 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2342 on: June 01, 2020, 01:35:33 AM »
the vinn diagram is right for me except Im not part of the upper right circle

my upper right circle would say the police system is basically sound but we need to weed out any bad apples



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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2343 on: June 01, 2020, 01:59:05 AM »
the vinn diagram is right for me except Im not part of the upper right circle

my upper right circle would say the police system is basically sound but we need to weed out any bad apples
If you need to constantly weed out so many bad apples then it’s not basically sound. 

The police force and criminal justice system is the furthest thing from sound. It’s fundamentally broken.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2344 on: June 01, 2020, 02:16:27 AM »
the vinn diagram is right for me except Im not part of the upper right circle

my upper right circle would say the police system is basically sound but we need to weed out any bad apples




If you were a minority, you'd 100% be part of the upper right circle.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2345 on: June 01, 2020, 03:30:28 AM »
If you were a minority, you'd 100% be part of the upper right circle.
The police aren’t racist. I promise. SOME maybe sure. But most aren’t. Most people in general aren’t racist. The police are without a doubt however poorly-trained, under-vetted, and overly militarized. It’s a fucking weird job. I don’t know if any human is even cut out to do that job. And it’s sooo difficult to do that job well. And it’s not easy. At all. And it should be one of the hardest to get. But it’s not. It’s very easy to become one. And they typically don’t want smart people who think for themselves working there. They want mindless brainless people who follow orders and keep their mouths shut.

It’s not a racism thing. It’s not even a minority thing. It’s a class thing. Poor people that don’t have many options or opportunities in their lives tend to turn to crime at a much high rate% than those who grow up with middle class or upper middle class or upper class backgrounds who have many options and opportunities at their disposal.

When my ancestors came here from Italy in the early 1900s, they were all dirt poor. And more than a few of wound up where? As criminals in something called the mafia. They didn’t see a whole lot of options at first, they were treated like shit- and then banned from coming into the US entirely- and many turned to crime. That’s why there were so many jokes in the 1970s by comedians like Richard Pryor and George Carlin that not all Italians were in the mafia, but all of them worked for the mafia.

Italians were a small % of the population then. At that point about 10% of the population. But as a % of the population they were disproportionately engaging in serious crime. Sound familiar?

We have a class problem. We have an income inequality problem. There is an entire class of people who have very little options or a way out. And when many of those people turn to crime to make a living because they want to make a real living and not work a bullshit job that pays them next to nothing- well they’re going to run into police at a much higher rate than people who don’t lead a life of crime.

The police brutalize everyone. Not just black people. Want to cut the amount of police brutality in half- get rid of unconstitutional stop and frisk laws, cut the police force drastically, legalize drugs and end the ridiculously stupid “war on drugs”, de-militarize the police and have them get rid of all their military grade weapons and equipment, get rid of ticket quotas and eliminate cops pulling people over for bullshit reasons just so they can write bullshit tickets, prosecute police for brutality and murder when deserved- stop shielding them with immunity basically- vet candidates way better- make it aloooooot more difficult to become an officer- and make all current officers take polygraph, iq, and personality tests and fire the ones who aren’t fit for the job.

That will all largely end police brutality. For everyone. But will it help pull black people out of poverty? Will it fix completely run down and broken black neighborhoods like Detroit? Probably not. Rich people typically speaking give zero fu***ks about poor people. And the elites in the Democratic and Republican Party have all been captured by big monied interests. And that is who they always take care of first. Barack Obama gave two squirts of piss about the poor or minorities. Just like every president before him. He had Citigroup and Black Rock on speed dial doe.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2346 on: June 01, 2020, 07:47:40 AM »
How many rogue cops does it take?  Don't you DARE pretend this is some isolated thing.  It's a lie. 
Hang them but don't you dare make martryrs out of filth that uses this as an excuse while you sit in the relatively safe company of your Keyboard doing nothing.Tell it to the female HB just posted getting assaulted,that's hardly an isolated thing - that's a lie
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2347 on: June 01, 2020, 07:59:47 AM »

nope not me

if I catch someone keying my car Im going to go across the street and set fire to that drug store
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2348 on: June 01, 2020, 08:00:36 AM »
It's like you can't help yourself.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2349 on: June 01, 2020, 08:08:09 AM »
That's not exactly an even comparison, as law enforcement takes an "oath of honor" to protect and serve and the other group is the masses. 
The other group is not the masses it's a militant segment
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2350 on: June 01, 2020, 08:18:07 AM »
I've noted before the Atlanta PD is majority black.  The two officers fired yesterday for EF were both black.  The mayor is black.

Last night was pretty quiet here fortunately.


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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2351 on: June 01, 2020, 08:30:36 AM »
the vinn diagram is right for me except Im not part of the upper right circle

my upper right circle would say the police system is basically sound but we need to weed out any bad apples

The entire point of the upper right circle is that the system protects the bad apples instead of weeding them out. It's why the bad apples feel safe to act the way they do; there are rarely, if ever, consequences.

I believe the vast majority of cops are good. But I think even they feel impotent to bring these other cops in line because they know their departments will shun them if they try to take down the bad apples. 

 

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