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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #868 on: March 13, 2020, 12:52:15 PM »
All this likely will dampen the frequency of folks getting flu and colds.

I am guessing we need another week or so to get a decent read on this.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #869 on: March 13, 2020, 01:33:16 PM »
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #870 on: March 13, 2020, 01:51:27 PM »
Yes that is exactly what I said. I know you are not stupid, so I guess you choose to just not read what I said.

I have never said ignore the virus, I have said we are over reacting to the danger that it poses due to the hysteria being presented by others.
This isn't some guessing game where the consequence of being wrong is equal, whether you're wrong above or below the line.  
If we're too cautious, zero additional deaths will occur and it would have wasted some money.
If we're wrong the other way, it would cause unknown numbers of deaths and would cost more money in the long run.
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So in this situation of the great unknown, it's an easy choice of which way to be wrong on - we must be cautious.  It's not even a choice.  No, the masses aren't responding well, but it's due to so much being unknown (ie - lack of testing) and not because they're overly cautious.  The masses are stupid and animalistic and prone to such behavior - it's predictable.  
Prudent cautiousness is what the situation calls for.  And no matter what anyone's opinion of Trump is, we can all agree he doesn't possess the capacity to influence anyone with cautiousness, nor prudence.  
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #871 on: March 13, 2020, 02:12:14 PM »
My school district is saying we're coming back on Monday, as scheduled.  We're on spring break this week.
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I expect that message to change in the next couple of days.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #872 on: March 13, 2020, 02:14:53 PM »
Our schools just shut it down. College too.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #873 on: March 13, 2020, 02:24:19 PM »
This isn't some guessing game where the consequence of being wrong is equal, whether you're wrong above or below the line. 
If we're too cautious, zero additional deaths will occur and it would have wasted some money.
If we're wrong the other way, it would cause unknown numbers of deaths and would cost more money in the long run.
So in this situation of the great unknown, it's an easy choice of which way to be wrong on - we must be cautious.  
I see your point, but "it would have wasted some money" is a little bit of a bigger issue than perhaps is being understood.  

It's always a balancing act. We have thousands of highway deaths, but we don't set speed limits at 5 mph to counteract this. That would be an overreaction, and the damaged caused in commute, shipping, etc times would destroy the chance of having an economy. 

We've basically voluntarily shut down a huge portion of our economy for the next month. We WILL see business fail over this. We WILL see people out of work, possibly unable to make their rent/car/utility payments. The pain point is going to be significant. It's not just "wall street". It'll be seen on main street too. 

Maybe the death toll if we didn't would be SO huge that it was more than worth it. But we don't know what the death toll would be, and so you can't simply say that no reaction is an overreaction if it saves lives. 

The optimal balance point is not zero deaths. That sounds rude as $&#@ to say, but it simply isn't. Just as we don't shut down our entire economy every year for the flu, which kills tens of thousands a year in this country alone. 

I'm hoping we're making the right decision here. The downside is if we are successful in staving this off, the death toll will be low, and then a bunch of people will be saying "well we obviously overreacted because the death toll was so low" while others will say "if we hadn't done this the death toll would have been huge" and the problem is that we don't know which group is right.  

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #874 on: March 13, 2020, 02:33:26 PM »
I see your point, but "it would have wasted some money" is a little bit of a bigger issue than perhaps is being understood. 

It's always a balancing act. We have thousands of highway deaths, but we don't set speed limits at 5 mph to counteract this. That would be an overreaction, and the damaged caused in commute, shipping, etc times would destroy the chance of having an economy.

We've basically voluntarily shut down a huge portion of our economy for the next month. We WILL see business fail over this. We WILL see people out of work, possibly unable to make their rent/car/utility payments. The pain point is going to be significant. It's not just "wall street". It'll be seen on main street too.

Maybe the death toll if we didn't would be SO huge that it was more than worth it. But we don't know what the death toll would be, and so you can't simply say that no reaction is an overreaction if it saves lives.

The optimal balance point is not zero deaths. That sounds rude as $&#@ to say, but it simply isn't. Just as we don't shut down our entire economy every year for the flu, which kills tens of thousands a year in this country alone.

I'm hoping we're making the right decision here. The downside is if we are successful in staving this off, the death toll will be low, and then a bunch of people will be saying "well we obviously overreacted because the death toll was so low" while others will say "if we hadn't done this the death toll would have been huge" and the problem is that we don't know which group is right. 
So in this case, it would be logical to listen to our medical professionals and epidemiologists?

Again, there are obviously balances all over. 

One interesting one was about schools. If you close them, you might take a chunk of your medical staff out of circulation for childcare reasons. 
« Last Edit: March 13, 2020, 02:41:51 PM by bayareabadger »

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #875 on: March 13, 2020, 02:34:22 PM »
I see your point, but "it would have wasted some money" is a little bit of a bigger issue than perhaps is being understood. 

It's always a balancing act. We have thousands of highway deaths, but we don't set speed limits at 5 mph to counteract this. That would be an overreaction, and the damaged caused in commute, shipping, etc times would destroy the chance of having an economy.

We've basically voluntarily shut down a huge portion of our economy for the next month. We WILL see business fail over this. We WILL see people out of work, possibly unable to make their rent/car/utility payments. The pain point is going to be significant. It's not just "wall street". It'll be seen on main street too.

Maybe the death toll if we didn't would be SO huge that it was more than worth it. But we don't know what the death toll would be, and so you can't simply say that no reaction is an overreaction if it saves lives.

The optimal balance point is not zero deaths. That sounds rude as $&#@ to say, but it simply isn't. Just as we don't shut down our entire economy every year for the flu, which kills tens of thousands a year in this country alone.

I'm hoping we're making the right decision here. The downside is if we are successful in staving this off, the death toll will be low, and then a bunch of people will be saying "well we obviously overreacted because the death toll was so low" while others will say "if we hadn't done this the death toll would have been huge" and the problem is that we don't know which group is right. 
Very well stated. While I hope we are doing everything we can to prevent people from dying, destroying our economy to do so is NOT the answer. A good economy saves countless lives and helps to extend both life expediencies and the quality of life in general. As you say, there has to be balance in whatever we do. If we are not cognoscente of how our actions or the government actions negatively affect the economy, it could make the situation considerably worse.   

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #876 on: March 13, 2020, 02:37:38 PM »
So in this case, it would be logical to listen to our medical professionals and epidemiologists?
Yes. But I think that some folks (like my kids' school) are going well beyond what our medical professionals and epidemiologists are saying. 

I don't believe their saying that all of modern life needs to come to a halt and the entire country should shelter-in-place for 2 weeks. They're saying that we should avoid very large crowds and gatherings to reduce spread, wash our hands, and otherwise just follow good practices.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #877 on: March 13, 2020, 02:38:45 PM »
Yes. But I think that some folks (like my kids' school) are going well beyond what our medical professionals and epidemiologists are saying.

I don't believe their saying that all of modern life needs to come to a halt and the entire country should shelter-in-place for 2 weeks. They're saying that we should avoid very large crowds and gatherings to reduce spread, wash our hands, and otherwise just follow good practices.
Ehhh, what would you call a large school???
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #878 on: March 13, 2020, 02:50:32 PM »
C'mon guys.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #879 on: March 13, 2020, 03:10:55 PM »
I'm looking forward to all of this proactive thinking working, then the naysayers saying, "see, told you it was no big deal." 
That'll be my favoirte.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #880 on: March 13, 2020, 03:17:37 PM »
I'm looking forward to all of this proactive thinking working, then the naysayers saying, "see, told you it was no big deal."
That'll be my favoirte.
Who are the naysayers?   Where? What are “ they” saying. Or are they just figments of your imagination?  Enlighten us?
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #881 on: March 13, 2020, 03:58:37 PM »
The wife needed a prescription at Kroger so I figured I'd pick up a few items, the essentials like a big foam cowboy hat.  The parking lot was full, first sign.  There were no carts.  The store is about half empty  I did get some milk.  There were large sections completely bare, often of odd things like meat (almost bare).  No TP at all, we were there yesterday and they were fully stocked except TP.

I think this is a serious situation, but "we" are going to feel foolish with a year's supply of TP in our houses.  I'm surprised there hasn't been a run on gasoline, I guess that is next.  Supposedly there is only enough gasoline at the stations to fill up ten percent of the cars on the road.  I was here in 2004 when the metro area was OUT of gasoline, not lines, not high prices, OUT, 6 million people (5 million back then) and no gas this side of Tennessee.


 

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