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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #9646 on: September 27, 2020, 05:59:49 PM »
None of the cops there.  Zero of them.  They'd see a black man with a gun and their immediate (involuntary?) reaction wouldn't be "source of intel", it would be "THREAT!"


So no, it's nothing like what you're misconstruing.  Again.  
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #9647 on: September 27, 2020, 06:06:05 PM »
I didn't know you had such intimate knowledge of the police department in Kenosha Wisconsin.

Obviously, there are many cops in other places, like around here, so I'm hesitant to paint them all with a broad brush.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #9648 on: September 27, 2020, 06:11:53 PM »
None of the cops there.  Zero of them.  They'd see a black man with a gun and their immediate (involuntary?) reaction wouldn't be "source of intel", it would be "THREAT!"


So no, it's nothing like what you're misconstruing.  Again. 
So, you're claiming the Kenosha PD has ZERO black cops?  None at all?  And you know this .... how?

Perhaps they have some in reality, even if the percentage is lower than the city's population.

But, you claimed zero, none, they are all white, in your view.  I'm just wondering if you base this on EVIDIDENCE and fact or just a leap to a conclusion that fits what you want to believe?

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #9649 on: September 27, 2020, 06:30:26 PM »
So, you're claiming the Kenosha PD has ZERO black cops?  None at all?  And you know this .... how?

Perhaps they have some in reality, even if the percentage is lower than the city's population.

But, you claimed zero, none, they are all white, in your view.  I'm just wondering if you base this on EVIDIDENCE and fact or just a leap to a conclusion that fits what you want to believe?

Now you're just trolling.  Never did I suggest any PD lacks black cops.  No functional human could extract that from my posts.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #9650 on: September 27, 2020, 06:32:57 PM »
None of the cops there.  Zero of them.  They'd see a black man with a gun and their immediate (involuntary?) reaction wouldn't be "source of intel", it would be "THREAT!"


So no, it's nothing like what you're misconstruing.  Again. 

None to me means zero.  

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #9651 on: September 27, 2020, 06:38:41 PM »
So, we've gone from "no cops" period, to no cops in Kenosha, to perhaps no cops in the video of the events of the night.

Notice how clarity in posting is important.

Say what you mean, and you won't be misconstrued, if in fact you are misconstrued, instead of stating over generalizations that require multiple clarifications.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #9652 on: September 27, 2020, 06:46:57 PM »
None of the cops there.  Zero of them.  They'd see a black man with a gun and their immediate (involuntary?) reaction wouldn't be "source of intel", it would be "THREAT!"


So no, it's nothing like what you're misconstruing.  Again. 
I disagree. I say every single cop in the world would have treated Rittenhouse the exact same had he black.

See, I can do that too.  We all can. All of us can just say whatever we want and pretend it’s a fact. Where’s that get us, though? 


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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #9653 on: September 27, 2020, 06:52:15 PM »
When has anyone suggested this, ever?


Here’s the thing though. Yeah, no one had ever suggested EVERYTHING was about race but it sure seems people can pick and choose what they want to make about race.  What made the Floyd incident racial other than people just deciding they wanted it to be?


https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/09/26/us/ohio-woman-tased-football-game-mask-trnd/index.html

Have you seen this story? Was this racially charged?  Who gets to decide that? Do you think it might be viewed differently if you switch the races of the cop and woman?



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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #9654 on: September 27, 2020, 07:08:18 PM »
BLUF:  know what you're talking about before passing judgement from your comfortable lair.

It's called assessment and situational awareness.  Police are taught and practice it regularly...

Temper; Intent; Means.
  • Temper: is the person visibly demonstrating anger, fear, angst, aggression?
  • Intent: is the person demonstrating purposeful aggression toward a specific target?
  • Means: is the person capable of causing harm Armed?  bigger/stronger than target? Driving a weapon? Reasonable access?

..... and thats how it works.  People can call it racism if they'd like.... and apparently they do.  When a culture is steeped in drugs, violence, and general aggression toward police and/or authority, they're going to be scrutinized more.  Period.  And, fairly. 

Is it race based? No it's not.  It's culture based.  The distinction is huge and its highly overlooked, and I would suggest purposely. 

All three items above (temper/intent/means) have to be assessed before escalation of force even begins....

Escalation of force:
  • Physical presence.
  • Verbal warning.
  • Show of force.
  • Non lethal force.
  • Force which is known or should reasonably be known to constitute danger to life and/or cause serious bodily injury.

Force is matched+1... example: of a guy bucks up to police, the police have justification to deploy non lethal force. 

Force is never de-escalated.  Once a person has deployed non-lethal force, they can't pocket that force and go back to show of force.... once it's out it stays out until the circumstance is defused or the aggressor is safely detained.


Now... i offer this as just a fleeting taste of training and training that is exercised by police regularly.  It isn't them who need training- its the public, and especially certain cultures within that public.  I mean, if a rocket crashes, are you going to listen to the engineer about the cause?  A person steeped in knowledge and experience?  Or, does the account offered by Billy Bob, who happens to be both high and drunk, fulfill your curiosity?  When we dismiss the account of police, and take the assailant's word, that is exactly what we're doing. 

Sure there are bad cops.  They are few, though.  There are more who shouldn't be police as they don't have the personality (read: emotional control) to be such.  Those are where likely 80-90% of the problems with police start... the other 10-20% is the freakin' reporting/accounting of incidents from people like Billy Bob.  .....And then the emotional response by people who have no control over their emotions.

there is a shit ton more to being a cop than some jerkwad arm chair quarterback three hours after the game with opportunity to reflect on circumstances and who has no understanding of the position of police.  Its damn easy to blame "racism"... and its gotta be "systemic", right? 

What is proven systemic? Pop culture, (read: music, video, movies) promoting violence and violence toward police, and idiots "life imitating art" (including the police here) living out their expectations of what life should be like.  I mean, name ONE movie off the top of your head set in 1750+ that DIDN'T have a gun in it or someone getting whacked on? 



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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #9655 on: September 27, 2020, 07:59:35 PM »
None of the cops there.  Zero of them.  They'd see a black man with a gun and their immediate (involuntary?) reaction wouldn't be "source of intel", it would be "THREAT!"


So no, it's nothing like what you're misconstruing.  Again. 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #9656 on: September 28, 2020, 03:02:08 AM »
I disagree. I say every single cop in the world would have treated Rittenhouse the exact same had he black.

See, I can do that too.  We all can. All of us can just say whatever we want and pretend it’s a fact. Where’s that get us, though? 


It makes one of us being honest and the other lying.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #9657 on: September 28, 2020, 03:03:37 AM »
So, we've gone from "no cops" period, to no cops in Kenosha, to perhaps no cops in the video of the events of the night.

Notice how clarity in posting is important.

Say what you mean, and you won't be misconstrued, if in fact you are misconstrued, instead of stating over generalizations that require multiple clarifications.
I can't reply without being disrespectful here, so I'll just stop.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #9658 on: September 28, 2020, 03:06:32 AM »

there is a shit ton more to being a cop than some jerkwad arm chair quarterback three hours after the game with opportunity to reflect on circumstances and who has no understanding of the position of police.  Its damn easy to blame "racism"... and its gotta be "systemic", right? 

No one has said being a cop is easy.  It's hard enough so that they should probably be pickier and more selective (if possible).  

And the systematic racism stands without any cop business.  We could erase every moment of outrage from an unarmed black guy being murdered by cops and systematic racism would still fully exist.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #9659 on: September 28, 2020, 06:36:48 AM »
It makes one of us being honest and the other lying.
You were being honest? OAM, you literally said there wasn’t one cop there who would have handled the situation the same had Rittenhouse been black.

You say that without having met any of them or knowing anything about them personally, knowing anything about their background, their training, or their beliefs. You said it based on one thing. They were white cops. In your narrow view of the world that is all the information you need.  That’s a statement that should make you ashamed.  It isn’t reasonable.  That’s the kind of statement that makes reasonable people roll their eyes and request that only the adults be allowed to speak.

 

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