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betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #2646 on:** June 04, 2020, 02:57:36 PM »

Quote from: Honestbuckeye on June 04, 2020, 02:44:23 PM

Just like all the rioters taking selfies while looting. They even stand over the white peoples they have maimed and take them.

but I doubt you have seen that or give a shit.

You realize that criticizing POTUS doesn't mean that I'm defending or excusing violent looters and rioters, right?

Cincydawg · « **Reply #2647 on:** June 04, 2020, 03:00:32 PM »

Decades ago, I watched 60 Minutes almost religiously. Then, they did a piece on the Bradley AFV that was, um, ridiculously slanted, saying its armor would not stand up to a Russian tank round. Duh.

Then they did one on the Audi "unintended" acceleration issue. The car mags had a field day with that one, they had inadvertently reproduced the acceleration with an Audi, but the brake lights weren't on. The real truth was that European cars, not just Audis had the brake pedal closer to the accelerator than was typical for US cars because they had to leave room for the clutch pedal, even if the car was an automatic.

They did some other show that was similarly bad and I concluded they contrive a story line and then force fit the narrative to that line. Imagine they come up with a story, several per week, and check it out with film and crews and it turns out they were wrong about it. What do they show on TV? They rig the event.

And I have experienced personally an interview where my actual meaning was distorted by editing.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #2648 on:** June 04, 2020, 03:00:57 PM »

Quote from: bwarbiany on June 04, 2020, 02:57:36 PM

You realize that criticizing POTUS doesn't mean that I'm defending or excusing violent looters and rioters, right?

No, everyone has to be in one camp or the other, has to be that way.

Honestbuckeye · « **Reply #2649 on:** June 04, 2020, 03:54:35 PM »

Quote from: bwarbiany on June 04, 2020, 02:57:36 PM

You realize that criticizing POTUS doesn't mean that I'm defending or excusing violent looters and rioters, right?

I do. You have every right to criticize POTUS. He deserves it. He is often just a total putz. in fact I will add I think your assessment is accurate at least to a high degree.

I was just trying to balance it by pointing out that this world we are in is full of those types of symbolic messages and photo opportunities. That is the world of social media, sound bites, and narratives.

whether I agree with him, I give him credit for staying true to his beliefs despite enormous levels of criticism. He is basically laying out a clear choice and I doubt he gives a shit if his way is the politically correct way.

bayareabadger · « **Reply #2650 on:** June 04, 2020, 03:56:00 PM »

Quote from: Honestbuckeye on June 04, 2020, 02:45:53 PM

I generally follow my eyes. I have no idea who is truthful on The issue of teargas or not. I do know one thing, I was watching live before the president came out of the White House or anyone knew he was going to do that and I can assure you there was nothing peaceful about that crowd unless you think water bottles filled with cement heading towards your face is peaceful

You saw water bottles filled with cement?

Honestbuckeye · « **Reply #2651 on:** June 04, 2020, 04:01:10 PM »

Quote from: bayareabadger on June 04, 2020, 03:56:00 PM

You saw water bottles filled with cement?

They had brownish content and the interview I watched after- the cop they spoke to said those aren’t water.

Honestbuckeye · « **Reply #2652 on:** June 04, 2020, 04:05:58 PM »

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/ny-nypd-looters-bricks-cement-bottles-hoarding-20200603-l7fmy3s6krgzpffk7ug4skv6vy-story.html%3foutputType=amp

This is NYC but I have seen this in many of the cities including DC.

It is real.

bayareabadger · « **Reply #2653 on:** June 04, 2020, 04:28:12 PM »

Quote from: Honestbuckeye on June 04, 2020, 04:01:10 PM

They had brownish content and the interview I watched after- the cop they spoke to said those aren’t water.

He said they were cement?

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #2654 on:** June 04, 2020, 04:55:12 PM »

What's with the incessant either/or crap??? We shouldn't have a country run by Trump OR like NYC. Obviously. FFS

Cincydawg · « **Reply #2655 on:** June 04, 2020, 04:56:22 PM »

I kinda like NYC in smaller doses, usually.

CWSooner · « **Reply #2656 on:** June 04, 2020, 07:20:23 PM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on June 04, 2020, 03:00:32 PM

Decades ago, I watched 60 Minutes almost religiously. Then, they did a piece on the Bradley AFV that was, um, ridiculously slanted, saying its armor would not stand up to a Russian tank round. Duh.

Then they did one on the Audi "unintended" acceleration issue. The car mags had a field day with that one, they had inadvertently reproduced the acceleration with an Audi, but the brake lights weren't on. The real truth was that European cars, not just Audis had the brake pedal closer to the accelerator than was typical for US cars because they had to leave room for the clutch pedal, even if the car was an automatic.

They did some other show that was similarly bad and I concluded they contrive a story line and then force fit the narrative to that line. Imagine they come up with a story, several per week, and check it out with film and crews and it turns out they were wrong about it. What do they show on TV? They rig the event.

And I have experienced personally an interview where my actual meaning was distorted by editing.

As you know, I have seen much of the same when military issues are being covered. Even by sources you would think might know better, like Army Times, Military Times, Military.com, etc. The reporter/writer doesn't know a tank from an IFV from a howitzer, a Blackhawk from an Apache, an automatic rifle from a machine gun, an amphibious assault ship from an aircraft carrier. It's not necessarily bias (although sometimes it surely is) so much as a sort of willful ignorance.

But if a bunch of reporters independently smell tear gas, and the staff at the church smell tear gas, and the people run out of Lafayette Square smell tear gas, but the chief of the Park Police says there was no tear gas, I'll make the tough call that the chief of the Park Police is probably the one lying about it.

bayareabadger · « **Reply #2657 on:** June 04, 2020, 07:40:08 PM »

Quote from: CWSooner on June 04, 2020, 07:20:23 PM

As you know, I have seen much of the same when military issues are being covered. Even by sources you would think might know better, like Army Times, Military Times, Military.com, etc. The reporter/writer doesn't know a tank from an IFV from a howitzer, a Blackhawk from an Apache, an automatic rifle from a machine gun, an amphibious assault ship from an aircraft carrier. It's not necessarily bias (although sometimes it surely is) so much as a sort of willful ignorance.

But if a bunch of reporters independently smell tear gas, and the staff at the church smell tear gas, and the people run out of Lafayette Square smell tear gas, but the chief of the Park Police says there was no tear gas, I'll make the tough call that the chief of the Park Police is probably the one lying about it.

So I think this is really interesting, and wanted to address the second paragraph first.

On the one hand, none of those people probably know tear gas by smell. They probably say "I'm getting gassed with an eye irritant that also hammers my respiratory system and hurts my skin, that sounds like teargas." Now it might not be what is considered teargas, but instead aerosolized pepper spray or something else. But then it gets weird because pepper spray can be a gas and tear gas can be a spray. It's a weird sort of technicality. It kind of matters and it kind of doesn't. (I.e., when you say you were teargassed, you're not actually specifying chlorobenzalmalononitrile most of the time)

The other examples you mentioned, those are interesting because the context depends on how egregious it is. Like it's details that matter very much to one person, but are probably breezed over by most. Granted, if you work for those outlets, you should def know. I also hope the people a reporter talks to are detailed in their description. If they talk to an expert, the expert has the knowledge to share. (It took me a second, but I'm 95 percent sure I knew the differences between all the things you mentioned owing to video games and a childhood interest in military history. It took me a second to sort through automatic rifle/machine gun, not remembering if the lack of lightweight-ness was required, and I had to check he shape of the Blackhawk)

There's also another interesting paradigm of what people care to know/read. For example we all consume football at an impossibly rudimentary level. Ridiculously so in fact. And for the most part, it’s fine we hardly have the first clue about how what we’re watching works. And I assume we all don’t think our thoughts/ideas make us impossible dunces, so at times I try to apply that in all these cases.

Honestbuckeye · « **Reply #2658 on:** June 04, 2020, 08:05:36 PM »

Quote from: CWSooner on June 04, 2020, 07:20:23 PM

As you know, I have seen much of the same when military issues are being covered. Even by sources you would think might know better, like Army Times, Military Times, Military.com, etc. The reporter/writer doesn't know a tank from an IFV from a howitzer, a Blackhawk from an Apache, an automatic rifle from a machine gun, an amphibious assault ship from an aircraft carrier. It's not necessarily bias (although sometimes it surely is) so much as a sort of willful ignorance.

But if a bunch of reporters independently smell tear gas, and the staff at the church smell tear gas, and the people run out of Lafayette Square smell tear gas, but the chief of the Park Police says there was no tear gas, I'll make the tough call that the chief of the Park Police is probably the one lying about it.

Your call. Independent reporters kill it for me. I have watched them stand in front of blazing buildings, and literally say it’s peaceful. 😂😂😂

CWSooner · « **Reply #2659 on:** June 04, 2020, 08:11:54 PM »

Quote from: Honestbuckeye on June 04, 2020, 02:44:23 PM

Just like all the rioters taking selfies while looting. They even stand over the white peoples they have maimed and take them.

but I doubt you have seen that or give a shit.
there was a great story today near top of CNNs website today about a cop who pushed a peaceful protester. Pictures and all. Of course nothing about the NYC cop that was ambushed and stabbed in the neck by a mostly peaceful protester. Then again- as Fredo on CNN says- no need for the protesters to be peaceful.
then we have “ you ain’t black” candidate, author of what many liberals view as one of the most racist pieces of legislation ever written, the 94 crime bill, in a back church trump to convince people that he cares more. Lol

lots of photo ops going on. I guess if the Prez wants to show he is standing up for law and order- to his credit, he is going against the PC grain and in fact is going solo. Takes guts to against the mob.

You know, making the case against one candidate does not necessarily make the case for the opponent. And that works both ways with Biden and Trump, just as it did with Hillary and Trump. Sometimes you can't make a case for either except that he/she might not be as bad as the other candidate. I think that's how a lot of people felt in 2016, and Hillary repelled more people in the critical swing states than Trump did.
If a president--any president--is going to stand up for law and order and mean it, it means he can't urge cops to go rough on people they arrest, tell his supporters at rallies to rough up any protesters who show up, etc. If it's just law and order when it's politically convenient, because it's their guys who are out of order, then it doesn't mean all that much.
This whole protest movement has made me realize that I've had somewhat of a double standard in my head. When it's some armed 2nd-Amendment purists standing up for their right to carry their rifles into private businesses, even at the expense of scaring customers away, I've given them the benefit of the doubt. When its leftists shutting down parts of Seattle to protest a meeting of the WTO, I've been all for hitting them with all the force that the law allows, and maybe some more than that. I realize that I've got to get it straight in my head what the standards should be, because they have to apply to both sides, not just "law" for the guys on my side and "order or we'll smash the hell out of you" for the guys on the other side. I do think that in general the protests on the other side push more readily into violence, but some, maybe a lot, of the violence occurring about the edges of this protest movement is coming from "conservatives" who are acting in order to discredit the protesters.

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