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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6286 on: August 11, 2020, 01:37:41 AM »
Who is oppressed? Lol.  The majority of the people committing these crimes were born post 1995.  How bad have they had it?


Ask them.  Live where they live.  Go to their schools and work their jobs and see if you feel fancy-free.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6287 on: August 11, 2020, 01:38:26 AM »
There are people that have been alive for multiple centuries?


I thought everyone knew Cincy was a multiplecenturian.......that's a fun misuse of a word.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6288 on: August 11, 2020, 01:39:02 AM »
Orange do you feel oppressed?

Are you oppressing anybody?
No.

No.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6289 on: August 11, 2020, 01:42:47 AM »
What is an example of a policy that the USA govt has that deprives people of their rights and property because of what they look like?
Yeah, see, it doesn't have to be an official federal policy for racism and oppression to happen.
The US gov't isn't deciding on your home loan or working the leasing office.
The US gov't isn't hiring and then rejecting a higher % of resumes based on certain last names.
The US gov't isn't arresting you for drug use more often than another race who uses them just as much.


Stop pretending you're being honest here.  It's gross.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6290 on: August 11, 2020, 07:27:05 AM »
Ask them.  Live where they live.  Go to their schools and work their jobs and see if you feel fancy-free.
Oppressed as the result of the failed policies of those who have led their cities for 20-30-40-50+ years? 

Oppressed since the progressive era?

Sure.

We can discuss that.

To me, the only way out is quality education, and good jobs. 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6291 on: August 11, 2020, 07:40:13 AM »
A Brief History of Federal Law and Race, Because You Asked For It (Part 1)

Let's hop in the way way back machine for a second.  All the way back to the aftermath of the Civil War.  Black people were riding high, as slavery has been mostly outlawed.  Of course, the southern whites weren't particularly pleased, and in response the Ku Klux Klan was formed, mostly as a terrorist group that intimidated and killed black people trying to lead.  In response, Ulysses Grant and a Republican Congress ramped up the Reconstruction and the federal government broke the Klan and most other attempts to intimidate black people.  This lasted 12 glorious years, and black people were elected to various posts.

Reconstruction ended in 1877 as a truce between Republicans and Democrats and an agreement for Rutherford B. Hayes (Go Bucks) to be president.  Union troops withdrew, and everyone agreed that everything was just peachy.  This allowed southern Democrats to start the Jim Crow era.  States enacted all sorts of crazy schemes to keep black people from voting.  Poll taxes were popular (with a grandfather exception for white people, of course).  The 13th Amendment had an exception for prison labor, so coming up with fun ways to get black people sent to prison was a twofer.  By enacting laws that kept certain felons from voting, and enacting laws that made it easy to declare someone a felon, you could both keep a black guy from voting and return him to slavery.  These efforts were very effective - despite having a huge black population, the last black congressmen left office in 1901 and another was not elected for 72 years.


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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6292 on: August 11, 2020, 07:56:35 AM »
A Brief History of Federal Law and Race, Because You Asked For It (Part 1)

Let's hop in the way way back machine for a second.  All the way back to the aftermath of the Civil War.  Black people were riding high, as slavery has been mostly outlawed.  Of course, the southern whites weren't particularly pleased, and in response the Ku Klux Klan was formed, mostly as a terrorist group that intimidated and killed black people trying to lead.  In response, Ulysses Grant and a Republican Congress ramped up the Reconstruction and the federal government broke the Klan and most other attempts to intimidate black people.  This lasted 12 glorious years, and black people were elected to various posts.

Reconstruction ended in 1877 as a truce between Republicans and Democrats and an agreement for Rutherford B. Hayes (Go Bucks) to be president.  Union troops withdrew, and everyone agreed that everything was just peachy.  This allowed southern Democrats to start the Jim Crow era.  States enacted all sorts of crazy schemes to keep black people from voting.  Poll taxes were popular (with a grandfather exception for white people, of course).  The 13th Amendment had an exception for prison labor, so coming up with fun ways to get black people sent to prison was a twofer.  By enacting laws that kept certain felons from voting, and enacting laws that made it easy to declare someone a felon, you could both keep a black guy from voting and return him to slavery.  These efforts were very effective - despite having a huge black population, the last black congressmen left office in 1901 and another was not elected for 72 years.


I agree, there was rampant racism in the South, and the country in general, in the 1800's. What does that have to do with today? The people rioting in the streets were not alive in 1877. Hell, most of them were not even born before 1977. There have been many laws changed, repealed and written to reverse many, if not all of those policies that you allude to. There has also been a concerted effort for the past 60 years to prop up the African American community starting with the Civil Rights laws up through affirmative action. 

The fact of the matter is that there is plenty of opportunity in this country. All it takes is the willingness to pull yourself up through hard work. The Brookings Institute did a study and found that by following 3 simple rules, people can assure themselves they will not live in poverty. Graduate High School, get a full time job and wait until age 21 to get married and have children. That is NOT that hard to do and it is NOT exclusive to white people. 

https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/three-simple-rules-poor-teens-should-follow-to-join-the-middle-class/

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6293 on: August 11, 2020, 08:04:00 AM »
Education matters.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6294 on: August 11, 2020, 08:13:24 AM »
Part 2

So the situation was not all that great for black people in the South.  That, along with the declining profit margin in farming, meant a lot of black people started moving north.  This created a lot of conflict for northern whites - it was a lot easier to support black people when they were a thousand miles away.  What to do?

The Federal Housing Authority helped provide an answer.  Created in response to the Great Depression, it helped protect lenders and spur home ownership.  It was quite successful at this, but they had the policy of not inuring mortgages in communities with large black populations (redlining).  Combined with various other policies (the GI Bill, Federal Highway Act), the era of suburbs began.  White neighborhoods typically had a restrictive covenant or home owners association that prevented black people from moving into them.  This helped create the black people in urban environments/white people in suburbs type of segregation that persists to this day.  

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6295 on: August 11, 2020, 08:29:21 AM »
Part 3

So federal policy helped a create a difficult situation for black Americans, as they were locked out of The American Dream.  As crime rose in minority communities, our American leaders put on their thinking caps and decided the best way to help black people was by locking them in cages.  Protests were becoming popular, and the government had to figure out a way to stop them.  To quote top Nixon advisor John Ehrlichman:

“The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying. We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.”

The efforts to incarcerate black people were highly effective.  For example, in Texas, the state incarceration quadrupled rate quadrupled between 1978 and 2003.  At it's peak more people were incarcerated than the Soviets did during the Gulag.  And of course, black people were the biggest victims - around 40 percent of the total prison population at any given time is black people, compared to black people being about 12 percent of the population.  These actions, combined with the disenfranchisement of felons and the other traditional ways we discriminate against felons, have helped reduce black people's political and economic power.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6296 on: August 11, 2020, 08:32:57 AM »
Ask them.  Live where they live.  Go to their schools and work their jobs and see if you feel fancy-free.
I thought you were the guy who hated anecdotal examples of anything.  Sure, I could ask an inner city black person if they feel oppressed.  But feeling a certain way about a situation and the situation actually being that way are two different things.

But while I’m out conducting interviews am I allowed to get other perspectives?  Can I talk to their teachers, coaches, friends, family, and employers or am I just taking one person’s word for it all?

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6297 on: August 11, 2020, 08:34:14 AM »
Education matters.
Gotta know your history

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6298 on: August 11, 2020, 08:43:02 AM »
Poor people in close proximity to rich people / expensive stores makes it very easy to see something worth stealing. Especially in a big city where one can remain fairly "anonymous" if not apprehended.

Poor people who live in a small town with only a bunch of other poor people around where everyone knows everyone kinda has a different dynamic.
it's called accountability 
and some folks are still asshats
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6299 on: August 11, 2020, 08:45:52 AM »
Let's oppress them for a couple of centuries and see just how rare this becomes....
Well you need to stop oppressing them then,I'm minding my own business .Tell me sunshine.How many NFL/NBA players have multiple children by multiple partners.How the hell does a kid have a chance even with money with out a father around for direction?

To lay down rules and enforce them to teach them about life right/wrong,to provide physical & emotional support,work ethic,study habits,etc.If the fathers haven't done that then they failed miserably.And knobs like you who blame others that are tending to their own business.Quit enabling shitty thought/blame others cycle and false finger pointing and go kick the fathers in the ass internet guru.You are the some of your total choices and if their fathers chose to abadon them by f***ing and fleeing that's on them.There are more Government programs in this country to help the disadvantaged than anywhere else.And if no one(YOU)likes it move to Russia,India,S.America, China or some other more humane place.
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