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Brutus Buckeye

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8806 on: September 09, 2020, 01:42:50 PM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on September 09, 2020, 01:31:50 PM
At what point were they violent, again?

Now, they didn't do what the cops asked. Partly that's because it's called "protest". Peaceful civil disobedience is common at a protest.

So who escalated this to violence? The peaceful protestors, or the cops?
They weren't protestors.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8807 on: September 09, 2020, 01:47:10 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on September 09, 2020, 01:33:34 PM
It's a day that ends in Y. Let's see how the White House id's doing...

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/09/09/politics/bob-woodward-rage-book-trump-coronavirus/index.html?__twitter_impression=true
Woodward what a hack

He know absolutely nothing about anything but writes a book as if hes an expert

only in America
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8808 on: September 09, 2020, 01:53:09 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on September 09, 2020, 01:42:50 PM
They weren't protestors.
Okay, so non-violent non-protestors deserve to get pepper sprayed (or in this case shot at with pepper paintballs)?

And you're using the case of non-violent non-protestors on their own property harming no one as your argument to... defend the cops from wrongdoing? 

Based on what is discussed, I can't even be sure that it would have been legal for the cops in this case to arrest the protestors. I'm trying to find a link to the official curfew order, but the little I've seen on Google suggests that people could not be out "in public". Being on your own porch on your own property does not meet the definition of "in public".  

So the cop had no legal standing to demand that they go inside anyway. Which brings us to the endpoint: non-violent non-protestors on their own property being shot at with pepper paintballs for refusing to comply with an unlawful order that they had no legal obligation to heed. 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8809 on: September 09, 2020, 01:56:56 PM »
If you're talking about the video I saw, it wasn't police, it was an NG unit.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8810 on: September 09, 2020, 01:58:41 PM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on September 09, 2020, 01:47:10 PM
Woodward what a hack

He know absolutely nothing about anything but writes a book as if hes an expert

only in America
Yeah, but as someone who asked us to give you an example of the President's lies...

This info in the article [which I understand was a recorded interview and that the tape is available] points to the President privately admitting to Bob Woodward in February that this virus was tricky, passed easily "you just breath the air and that's how it's passed", and very deadly "It's also more deadly than even your strenuous flu". 

And yet he spent all of February and most of March downplaying it, and then spent most of the next several months aggressively and constantly pushing for reopenings when he knew all along that it's extremely contagious and much more deadly than the flu. 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8811 on: September 09, 2020, 02:02:52 PM »
Several of the audio files are available to listen to right now. Trump absolutely admitted in February that this was much more dangerous than the flu, and he said in March that he was intentionally downplaying it--and it's fair to point out, he said he was downplaying it to avoid a panic.

But does that information change anyone's mind about the guy? I doubt it.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8812 on: September 09, 2020, 02:04:10 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on September 09, 2020, 01:56:56 PM
If you're talking about the video I saw, it wasn't police, it was an NG unit.
Thanks for the clarification... 

Still not justified, but I apologize if I was blaming the MPD for an illegal action when I should be blaming NG for an illegal action. 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8813 on: September 09, 2020, 02:05:46 PM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on September 09, 2020, 01:58:41 PM
Yeah, but as someone who asked us to give you an example of the President's lies...

This info in the article [which I understand was a recorded interview and that the tape is available] points to the President privately admitting to Bob Woodward in February that this virus was tricky, passed easily "you just breath the air and that's how it's passed", and very deadly "It's also more deadly than even your strenuous flu".

And yet he spent all of February and most of March downplaying it, and then spent most of the next several months aggressively and constantly pushing for reopenings when he knew all along that it's extremely contagious and much more deadly than the flu.
Im not sure this qualifies but what the heck I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and guess what only the bleeding heart liberals care no one else really cares 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8814 on: September 09, 2020, 02:06:25 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on September 09, 2020, 01:32:29 PM
The government can tell me when I can sit on my porch on my property? If I'm doing nothing but watching what's happening on my street? Interesting.

Oh, and when someone doesn't respond, the government has the right to do low-end damage to the house?
And if you protest, you are the bad guy. This is the "shut up and take it" approach to government.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8815 on: September 09, 2020, 02:07:46 PM »
Quote from: SFBadger96 on September 09, 2020, 02:02:52 PM
Several of the audio files are available to listen to right now. Trump absolutely admitted in February that this was much more dangerous than the flu, and he said in March that he was intentionally downplaying it--and it's fair to point out, he said he was downplaying it to avoid a panic.

But does that information change anyone's mind about the guy? I doubt it.
my point exactly

this is a straw man being built cause this is all they got
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8816 on: September 09, 2020, 02:08:23 PM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on September 09, 2020, 02:04:10 PM
Thanks for the clarification...

Still not justified, but I apologize if I was blaming the MPD for an illegal action when I should be blaming NG for an illegal action.
I'd have to understand their orders.  The NG is not "well trained" in urban riot control, they can get out of hand as a result.  The noncomms may have been ordered to ensure everyone goes inside, and they took that literally.  I thought it was bizarre.  Nothing seemed to come of it.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8817 on: September 09, 2020, 02:12:04 PM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on September 09, 2020, 02:05:46 PM
Im not sure this qualifies but what the heck I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and guess what only the bleeding heart liberals care no one else really cares
Quote from: longhorn320 on September 09, 2020, 02:07:46 PM
my point exactly

this is a straw man being built cause this is all they got
Again, the Ukraine thing.

We went from "nothing happened it's just fake news" to "yeah something happened and it was a crime and it's an impeachable crime but nobody wants to call witnesses in the Senate because Republicans have enough votes to stop removal."

"This is all they got"--the problem is that they've got mountains, but Trump supporters don't care that their President is a liar and a crook as long as he's owning the libs. 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8818 on: September 09, 2020, 02:14:29 PM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on September 09, 2020, 02:07:46 PM
my point exactly

this is a straw man being built cause this is all they got
All we have is the president lying about the impact of the coronavirus? That's...quite a bit, just by itself
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8819 on: September 09, 2020, 02:17:01 PM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on September 09, 2020, 02:07:46 PM
my point exactly

this is a straw man being built cause this is all they got
Well, we agree on 50% of this.

No straw man, just different views of the guy's actions. Right, wrong, or indifferent, I've got a lot of reasons to think Trump is the worst President of my lifetime, which goes back far enough to encompass Nixon. You clearly disagree. We won't change each other's minds (this is the point we agree on).
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