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NorthernOhioBuckeye

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8778 on: September 09, 2020, 12:33:29 PM »
Yet another example of violating someone's first amendment rights. Schools are really known for that these days
Some school districts, if not all, require an administrator and teachers, to adhere to a higher standard. It is generally in their contract. They have a responsibility to uphold standards that many other people do not. After all, would you want someone this deranged in charge of your kids?

This has nothing to do with 1st Amendment rights. He is not under arrest or being punished by any statues for his comments. However, the first amendment does not protect you against your employer. 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8779 on: September 09, 2020, 12:36:35 PM »
Donald Trump nominated for Nobel Peace Prize
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8780 on: September 09, 2020, 12:37:10 PM »
Some school districts, if not all, require an administrator and teachers, to adhere to a higher standard. It is generally in their contract. They have a responsibility to uphold standards that many other people do not. After all, would you want someone this deranged in charge of your kids?

This has nothing to do with 1st Amendment rights. He is not under arrest or being punished by any statues for his comments. However, the first amendment does not protect you against your employer.
It can if your employer is the government

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8781 on: September 09, 2020, 12:39:13 PM »
Donald Trump nominated for Nobel Peace Prize
If Obama can win one for breathing, then Trump deserves to be considered for the work he and his administration are doing in the Middle East.  Also, the fact that he is pulling troops out of Iraq, Afghanistan, Germany and other places. He is doing as much as anyone to get the US military out of conflicts. Seems to be that should be considered. 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8782 on: September 09, 2020, 12:39:53 PM »
Further, the idea that the government should be able to kill a person, then pepper spray people protesting that, and we should just lay down and take it is the very definition of POA

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8783 on: September 09, 2020, 12:42:20 PM »
It can if your employer is the government
Again, behavior is generally addressed in contracts that school employees agree to. My guess is that he violated his contract. 

I was on our local school board for a few years. There were a few discussions with teachers and other employees engaging in conduct that was in violation of their contract in regards to their behavior and its negative affect on the schools image. And yes, this was a public school. You may not agree with it, but it was never challenged in court and the union agreed to the contract.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8784 on: September 09, 2020, 12:47:17 PM »
Further, the idea that the government should be able to kill a person, then pepper spray people protesting that, and we should just lay down and take it is the very definition of POA
Are there any examples of peaceful protesters being pepper sprayed? All I've seen are examples that also involve violence and/or rioting. 

The violence and rioting are taking away from the very important message/movement, by the way.

The black community leaders here in Kenosha have asked repeatedly that these young white rioting kids stay out of their neighborhoods.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8785 on: September 09, 2020, 12:49:32 PM »
Further, the idea that the government should be able to kill a person, then pepper spray people protesting that, and we should just lay down and take it is the very definition of POA
Wow, talk about taking things COMPLETELY out of context. 

When you live in a civil society, there are certain rules put in place that you are expected to live by. When you don't, society employs law enforcement to deal with you.

In the cases you allude too, said individuals were reported to have violated the rules that society agreed to live within. In so doing, they grabbed the attention of law enforcement that is charged with enforcing those laws. 

When the person reportedly breaking those laws is confronted by LEO's, they have a choice. Comply with the LEO's instructions or decide to fight them. Being as in this country, we allow LEO's to carry lethal force, it is not a smart move by the suspect, to decide to fight. Even then, in almost all cases, the LEO's attempted to subdue the suspect using non-lethal force. However, when the suspect gained the upper hand and put the LEO's life in danger, the LEO resorted to lethal force. 

The question here is why do ignore the responsibility of the suspect to follow the law and comply with the LEO's instructions? 

As to the allegation of pepper spray, it was not used until the "protesters" turned violent and disregarded law orders by LEO's. You know, like burning down the neighborhood after looting it.  

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8786 on: September 09, 2020, 12:49:34 PM »
Are there any examples of peaceful protesters being pepper sprayed? All I've seen are examples that also involve violence and/or rioting.

The violence and rioting are taking away from the very important message/movement, by the way.

The black community leaders here in Kenosha have asked repeatedly that these young white rioting kids stay out of their neighborhoods.
That was what his colorful message was about

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8787 on: September 09, 2020, 12:55:15 PM »
That was what his colorful message was about
MS why do you always want to be on the wrong side of a debate

anybody with common sense would agree that principal needed to be sacked

would you want him over your kids
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8788 on: September 09, 2020, 12:57:11 PM »
Donald Trump nominated for Nobel Peace Prize
oh Lord now we have to hear all the gnashing of teeth and screaming from the left

only Obama is worthy enough
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8789 on: September 09, 2020, 01:02:06 PM »
MS why do you always want to be on the wrong side of a debate

anybody with common sense would agree that principal needed to be sacked

would you want him over your kids
What the heck? Do I seem like someone who wants my kids to learn to never question anything?

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8790 on: September 09, 2020, 01:02:28 PM »
Are there any examples of peaceful protesters being pepper sprayed? All I've seen are examples that also involve violence and/or rioting.

https://youtu.be/85Ut0jNIIfY

This was filmed up at 5th Street and Hennepin Avenue downtown. Nothing on that end of town was put to the torch.


https://youtu.be/LozQg0oX-Gw

MPD shot paintballs at people that were out on their own porch. This was in the Wedge neighborhood, just north of Lake Street.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8791 on: September 09, 2020, 01:02:43 PM »
If Obama can win one for breathing, then Trump deserves to be considered for the work he and his administration are doing in the Middle East.  Also, the fact that he is pulling troops out of Iraq, Afghanistan, Germany and other places. He is doing as much as anyone to get the US military out of conflicts. Seems to be that should be considered.
As usual, what Trump may have claimed to be doing and what is actually happening are not identical...

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/09/factchecking-trumps-fox-news-interview-2/


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But the president hasn’t made much headway in reducing the number of U.S. troops in conflict zones, or overseas in general.
According to the Pentagon’s Defense Manpower Data Center, there were about 15,000 troops total in Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria on Dec. 31, 2016, near the end of the Obama presidency (9,294 in Afghanistan, 5,540 in Iraq and 204 in Syria). A spokesman for the Department of Defense told us, “U.S. force levels in Afghanistan currently remain in the mid-8,000s with the goal to reduce that number to less than 5,000 by the end of November. U.S. forces in Iraq number approximately 5,200 and in Syria number approximately 500.” That puts the current levels at about 14,200, or about 5% lower than when Obama left office.
Trump said recently that he expects the number of troops in Afghanistan to be cut to under 5,000 by November, but that hasn’t happened yet.
The total number of overseas troops was about 199,000 in the last month of the Obama administration, according to the Defense Manpower Data Center. The most recently available figures from the DMDC in June put the number at 171,025. But that figure comes with a large asterisk. Beginning in December 2017, the Trump administration stopped reporting the troop levels in Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria in its DMDC data for overseas troop levels. A Pentagon spokesperson told us those figures are withheld for “security purposes.”
But as we said, DoD provided us approximate figures for those three countries. Adding the approximated figures to the reported figure for the remaining overseas troop levels, the total comes to about 185,000. That’s about a 7% decrease from the final Obama levels.
Citing Pentagon leaders, the Washington Post reported in late July that Trump was making a concerted push to significantly reduce overseas troop levels by Election Day in November. But despite the president’s efforts to fulfill his 2016 campaign promise to significantly reduce the number of U.S. troops serving overseas, the article notes, “Trump has been stymied at virtually every turn” as members of his administration and military leaders “have talked Trump out of specific withdrawals or employed delaying tactics.”
Trump recently approved plans to reduce the number of troops in Germany by 9,500 (from about 34,500), but not all of them will be coming home. According to Joseph Parent, a professor of international relations at the University of Notre Dame, roughly half of them are being redeployed within Europe, and the other half would return to the U.S.  — “but that has not yet been approved.”
While Trump has cut overseas troop levels a bit, and promises more by November, by any measure, it is a stretch to claim, as Trump did, that he is bringing “most of the troops home.”
So Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria are almost identical levels to the end of the Obama admin.

Overall overseas is down 7%. 

Of the ones being pulled out of that dangerous war-torn nation you mentioned [Germany], half would simply be redeployed within Europe. 

It sounds of course like he's trying to make a big election push to pull down numbers... He's pulling out all the stops.

 

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