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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5796 on: August 04, 2020, 02:25:04 PM »
If they thought it was infallible I don't think they would have included an amendment process
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5797 on: August 04, 2020, 02:25:14 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on August 04, 2020, 11:51:55 AM
Sure, though popular support can seem to swing wildly. For example, in recent history just look at how we've viewed kneeling for the national anthem, or legalizing gay marriage. While there is no question people worked very hard on those issues, to some extent it's just people being confronted with a new idea and realizing it's fine despite initial reservations.

The EC seems like something that could be like that. Some people's vote counting more than others is dumb. Candidates ignoring half the states is dumb. Call me an optimist but we will eventually hit less dumbness in our system.
In other words, with the NEA doing it's best to dumb down the populist through indoctrination in our schools, eventually the populist will be brainwashed enough and sufficiently ignorant of the purpose of the EC, to have the support to over turn it. 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5798 on: August 04, 2020, 02:27:23 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on August 04, 2020, 02:24:21 PM
You could exclude every poorly run city in this country and the totals would shrink a whole lot.



would that be any city larger than 500,000 population?
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5799 on: August 04, 2020, 02:48:08 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on August 04, 2020, 02:27:23 PM
would that be any city larger than 500,000 population?
That would take too many out. Let's go with 250K.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5800 on: August 04, 2020, 03:05:57 PM »
Quote from: NorthernOhioBuckeye on August 04, 2020, 02:25:14 PM
In other words, with the NEA doing it's best to dumb down the populist through indoctrination in our schools, eventually the populist will be brainwashed enough and sufficiently ignorant of the purpose of the EC, to have the support to over turn it.
Eh or just use common sense. 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5801 on: August 04, 2020, 03:23:12 PM »
Our Great Founding Fathers whiffed the first time they tried to design a government.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5802 on: August 04, 2020, 03:28:43 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on August 04, 2020, 02:12:32 PM
There is no way to make this country better. The founders had it right, and their successors mostly had it right with Amendments.
I mean, they did hold people as property, which was acknowledged in the constitution. I think it would be fair to say this country got in some ways better when that stopped. 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5803 on: August 04, 2020, 03:29:43 PM »
Quote from: NorthernOhioBuckeye on August 04, 2020, 02:25:14 PM
In other words, with the NEA doing it's best to dumb down the populist through indoctrination in our schools, eventually the populist will be brainwashed enough and sufficiently ignorant of the purpose of the EC, to have the support to over turn it.
In this case, what would you describe as the purpose of the EC?
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5804 on: August 04, 2020, 03:32:32 PM »
The original purpose of the EC is quite clear, I think.  The current purpose?  I don't know that there is one other than some advantages it has over popular voting.

They are not "purposes", just features.

I'm told it will somehow just go away in time though.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5805 on: August 04, 2020, 03:35:19 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on August 04, 2020, 03:32:32 PM
The original purpose of the EC is quite clear, I think.  The current purpose?  I don't know that there is one other than some advantages it has over popular voting.

They are not "purposes", just features.

I'm told it will somehow just go away in time though.
Advantages - large sections of the electorate ignored, easier to do recounts, some people's votes count more than others

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5806 on: August 04, 2020, 03:41:18 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on August 04, 2020, 02:12:32 PM
There is no way to make this country better. The founders had it right, and their successors mostly had it right with Amendments.
Well one thing IMO - repeal laws/regulations/rules put on the books by powerful special interest lobbyists.The FF's couldn't see that coming
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5807 on: August 04, 2020, 03:49:42 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on August 04, 2020, 03:41:18 PM
Well one thing IMO - repeal laws/regulations/rules put on the books by powerful special interest lobbyists.The FF's couldn't see that coming
How do you determine which regulations etc. these comprise?

I've spent some time reading parts of the CFR, and I could not tell which were put in place by special interest groups.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5808 on: August 04, 2020, 03:51:24 PM »
https://www.procon.org/headlines/the-electoral-college-top-3-pros-and-cons/

Reasonable pro con section on the EC is interested.

Often I find "things" get tougher when one considered both sides rationally and without bias.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5809 on: August 04, 2020, 03:54:57 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on August 04, 2020, 03:49:42 PM
How do you determine which regulations etc. these comprise?
If it screws the middle class - it's special interest lobbyists
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