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longhorn320

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2450 on: June 02, 2020, 01:59:53 PM »
The violence is a natural response to outrage with no way to fix the problem.
You see it in kids who have bad things happening at home.  They act out, often violently, at school.  They don't have any power at home to fix the problems, so their outrage comes out around peers, in a place where no one will drunkenly hit them or throw their stuff away.
The quick leap to "we need the rioting to stop, let's focus on the rioters" is a simple ploy to control the narrative.  It moves everyone past the incident and gets them working on the clean-up. 


Another brown person will be murdered by police in a few months.  Then another and another.  And then after 'enough' have been murdered, there will be another outrage-protest-rioting.


And so on and so forth.  Because reasons.
no the rioters controlled the narative when then chose to riot

they took away any chance the protesters had to make a difference
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2451 on: June 02, 2020, 02:09:27 PM »
The violence is a natural response to outrage with no way to fix the problem.
You see it in kids who have bad things happening at home.  They act out, often violently, at school.  They don't have any power at home to fix the problems, so their outrage comes out around peers, in a place where no one will drunkenly hit them or throw their stuff away.
The quick leap to "we need the rioting to stop, let's focus on the rioters" is a simple ploy to control the narrative.  It moves everyone past the incident and gets them working on the clean-up. 


Another brown person will be murdered by police in a few months.  Then another and another.  And then after 'enough' have been murdered, there will be another outrage-protest-rioting.


And so on and so forth.  Because reasons.
You had me until you said that wanting riots to stop is a ploy.  

you are so off base here. So many non minorities are sickened by what happened, and in your other post ( which was not malarkey) you correctly pointed out that we can’t “ get it” because we don’t deal with it.

but for those who want to fix it, and like most of us don’t know how, asking for the rioting to stop is purely genuine because we simply don’t want to see anyone, of of any color, harmed.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2452 on: June 02, 2020, 02:14:13 PM »
I mean, it was said by a supreme court justice? Who I think might've walked it back to a degree.

Anyway, its meaning is kinda murky and has a bad history.
Ok BAB, your general MO around here is one of devil’s advocate. You like to question others a lot, often in a snarky or condescending way.  That’s cool.

although your point that many kinds and types call for violence...why don’t you propose what you think should happen here.  ( I was going to say, what should happen to end the rioting and the injustice, but I am not going to assume, based on things you post, that either of those is necessarily a desired outcome for you)
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2453 on: June 02, 2020, 02:15:31 PM »
I wish there was a way for someone - anyone - to snap their fingers and make this go away.

It's not happening until trust is established, from all sides.

Task forces are for losers. We need action, for real.

Before she retired, Mrs. 847 was active with her company, in Junior Achievement. It's a worthy program, where people like her would go to schools in depressed areas and try to connect with kids and help show them a way out. 

She was frustrated after a while, because 90 percent of the kids didn't trust her, due to her skin tone.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2454 on: June 02, 2020, 02:19:51 PM »
OK OAM you are now the President of the United States

Tell us what actual legislation you would propose or executive orders you would make or any other

action you would take to improve race relations in the USA
Actually, the first thing I'd do as president would be to remove all money from 'the news.'  
Producing the news would be a public service and an hour would be set aside for no advertising.  Ratings would not be kept.  If a company wanted to do the news, they'd have to volunteer that time and whatever it cost to do so.  
If 24/7 news channels wanted to continue, they'd do it at their own cost.  

I'd then try to remove money from elections.  Have a set, uniform amount maybe.  If someone wanted the freedom to contribute to a candidate, they could contribute their time.  No more money.  No more buying elections with attack ads to sway the masses.  No more corporations donating as much money as they wanted, turning it into an investment with kickbacks.

As for improving race relations, I couldn't do much.  But I could publicly support minority communities.  I wouldn't attack or demonize them.  I'd try to influence legislation to prevent bad policing (and I'm not sure what that would entail).  If I had this many governors share my political party with me, I'd be trying to influence them to do the right thing, and not bullying them with threats to move the military in.  I'd keep the focus on the unlawful murder of George Floyd, and not on the rioting.  The rioting was predictable.  It was inevitable.  
I'd influence mayors to have police providing space for peaceful protesters.  It's about attitude and influence, and I'd push for solutions to the problem, like you've tasked me with now. 

I wouldn't tear-gas peaceful protesters for a photo op of me literally holding a bible in front of a church to placate an adolescent voting block.  Honestly, if you're a religious republican, how are you not insulted by that?  Toss out the fact that to clear his path, they had to bum-rush hundreds of peaceful protesters.....him just standing there holding a bible that way.....like "okay, I'm doing it, did you get the shot yet?" is just absurd.

Damn, I got off-topic.  Nevermind.  
Anyway, I would never want to be president.  You'd have to be a nutjob to want that.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2455 on: June 02, 2020, 02:22:03 PM »
You had me until you said that wanting riots to stop is a ploy. 

you are so off base here. So many non minorities are sickened by what happened, and in your other post ( which was not malarkey) you correctly pointed out that we can’t “ get it” because we don’t deal with it.

but for those who want to fix it, and like most of us don’t know how, asking for the rioting to stop is purely genuine because we simply don’t want to see anyone, of of any color, harmed.
I believe you want the rioting to stop for good, prudent reasons.  
The ploy is from certain high-up individuals and outlets who understand that they can move the focus off the WHY and move on to the WHAT, thus getting closer to the end and moving on to the next thing.  
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2456 on: June 02, 2020, 02:29:21 PM »
I wish there was a way for someone - anyone - to snap their fingers and make this go away.

It's not happening until trust is established, from all sides.

Task forces are for losers. We need action, for real.

Before she retired, Mrs. 847 was active with her company, in Junior Achievement. It's a worthy program, where people like her would go to schools in depressed areas and try to connect with kids and help show them a way out.

She was frustrated after a while, because 90 percent of the kids didn't trust her, due to her skin tone.
That's awesome that she did that, though.
The kids' distrust is useful, though, as they're incapable of bullshit (when it comes to this).  They didn't trust her because of her race because of their life experiences.  You can't fake that.

When 2 cops are walking down the sidewalk in Baltimore or Atlanta or Minneapolis, and there's a group of black teens chilling on a corner, there needs to be a feeling of "what's up" and not "predator/prey" or "cop/criminal".  The kids have to trust the cops and the cops have to know the kids.  I think we all would love this.

This hasn't been discussed much lately, but legalizing weed would really help here.  "You got anything on you?" can go very different ways.
"No, why?" - "Okay, spread 'em"  "Why, man, I said I don't have anything on me!"...etc
or
"Yeah" - "Well wait until you get home, okay" - "Alright"...etc


Anyway, yeah, it has to start there, with youth and maybe 20-somethings, with the positive relationships.  Changing that dynamic is key.  If cops know the people who would organize large protests before they happened, they could communicate together, instead of it being a stand-off.  
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2457 on: June 02, 2020, 02:38:34 PM »
That's awesome that she did that, though.
The kids' distrust is useful, though, as they're incapable of bullshit (when it comes to this).  They didn't trust her because of her race because of their life experiences.  You can't fake that.

Much of that starts at home, based on what they are told by their parents/guardians/siblings. This is another area that needs to be addressed - and it's a hard thing to even think about addressing. How do you do this?

You can send a kid (of any color or creed) to the best school in the city, but if it's not reinforced at home, it will do no good for anyone.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2458 on: June 02, 2020, 02:40:36 PM »
Actually, the first thing I'd do as president would be to remove all money from 'the news.' 
Producing the news would be a public service and an hour would be set aside for no advertising.  Ratings would not be kept.  If a company wanted to do the news, they'd have to volunteer that time and whatever it cost to do so. 
If 24/7 news channels wanted to continue, they'd do it at their own cost. 


do away with the first amendment yep good move that way you wouldnt need to put up with opposing views 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2459 on: June 02, 2020, 02:42:24 PM »
Much of that starts at home, based on what they are told by their parents/guardians/siblings. This is another area that needs to be addressed - and it's a hard thing to even think about addressing. How do you do this?

You can send a kid (of any color or creed) to the best school in the city, but if it's not reinforced at home, it will do no good for anyone.
Absolutely, and that's why I think it has to start with the youth.  You're not going to get a bunch of people who were mistreated their whole lives to suddenly forgive all that and trust that things are ready to improve now.

Which makes them the obstacle to their own self-interest.  
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2460 on: June 02, 2020, 02:44:20 PM »


As for improving race relations, I couldn't do much.  

thats what I thought
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2461 on: June 02, 2020, 02:46:15 PM »
do away with the first amendment yep good move that way you wouldnt need to put up with opposing views
Yeah, you're wrong here.  Again.
You're free to speak and free to report as the press.  And you're provided time to do so.  But you're not going to allow money/ratings to bastardize it.  The only reason media outets are so different at reporting the same things is to get more eyeballs. 
You're free to use your money to produce the news.  To inform.  Without dollars, you have to EARN eyeballs by providing the best coverage, not that we'd keep track of who gets the most viewers anyway.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2462 on: June 02, 2020, 02:46:46 PM »
thats what I thought
I believe the phrase is, "you're showing your ass."  


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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2463 on: June 02, 2020, 02:48:40 PM »
I believe the phrase is, "you're showing your ass." 



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