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longhorn320

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6846 on: August 26, 2020, 01:31:59 PM »
https://www.cnn.com/2014/09/25/justice/south-carolina-trooper-shooting/index.html
This happened 8 years ago so yes it has happened but is not a everyday event

according to the article the driver made an unexpected move

all I can say is Ive been stopped before and knew not to make any fast unexpected moves

if I need to get into the glove box I ask permission first and show both hands moving slowly

it seems to me that many people have a chip on their shoulder when stopped by a cop

they become confrontational which is exactly what you should not do

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6847 on: August 26, 2020, 01:33:19 PM »
He made a motion that was misunderstood, it's not routine when that happens.  This isn't hard to understand.

The police pull you over for speeding and simply shoot you without any basis at all except you're black.

Do police make mistakes?  Obviously, they do.  In the above case, the individual made a motion that is NOT routine.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6848 on: August 26, 2020, 01:37:04 PM »
Trump just announced hes sending in law enforcement to stop the rioting so I guess the Governor refuses to do so
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6849 on: August 26, 2020, 01:38:18 PM »
He made a motion that was misunderstood, it's not routine when that happens.  This isn't hard to understand.

The police pull you over for speeding and simply shoot you without any basis at all except you're black.

Do police make mistakes?  Obviously, they do.  In the above case, the individual made a motion that is NOT routine.
It was routine. The cop asked for his license and the guy reached for his wallet. Which is literally what anyone would do.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6850 on: August 26, 2020, 01:44:13 PM »
It was routine. The cop asked for his license and the guy reached for his wallet. Which is literally what anyone would do.

the article states:
When Groubert asks for Jones' license, Jones pivots toward the vehicle he just exited -- the driver's door is still open -- and leans inside as if to retrieve something, the video shows.

He should have taken more care to let the cop know he needed to get his license from the car and where it was

then upon getting permission he moves slowly to retrieve his license
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6851 on: August 26, 2020, 01:44:30 PM »
I would expect that a sizable segment of the looters will be discouraged from looting going forward, now that they know that a few of the town folk are willing to stand up to them.
The townsfolk arrested wasn't from the town

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6852 on: August 26, 2020, 01:44:37 PM »
It was routine. The cop asked for his license and the guy reached for his wallet. Which is literally what anyone would do.
Totally agree. Guy did nothing wrong and the cop overreacted. Can we agree that is the exception to the rule?

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6853 on: August 26, 2020, 01:47:29 PM »
Trump just announced hes sending in law enforcement to stop the rioting so I guess the Governor refuses to do so
Yes, federal agents and more national guard are on their way.

The governor could have had all of this on Monday.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6854 on: August 26, 2020, 01:48:09 PM »
Totally agree. Guy did nothing wrong and the cop overreacted. Can we agree that is the exception to the rule?
He may have over reacted but the driver has a responsibility to act slowly and to get permission for any action he needs to take
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6855 on: August 26, 2020, 01:48:49 PM »
Yes, federal agents and more national guard are on their way.

The governor could have had all of this on Monday.
I guess the Governor is have a blue week
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6856 on: August 26, 2020, 01:49:27 PM »
Totally agree. Guy did nothing wrong and the cop overreacted. Can we agree that is the exception to the rule?
Absolutely. Deadly shootings are not the norm, though they are a bit of the tip of the iceberg - how many people end up with a gun pointed at them, or are detained far longer than necessary? 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6857 on: August 26, 2020, 01:53:23 PM »
Absolutely. Deadly shootings are not the norm, though they are a bit of the tip of the iceberg - how many people end up with a gun pointed at them, or are detained far longer than necessary?
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6858 on: August 26, 2020, 01:53:58 PM »
He may have over reacted but the driver has a responsibility to act slowly and to get permission for any action he needs to take
I agree but I’ll give the driver a slight pass for having a natural human reaction. Cop wants his license and he instinctively reaches back in the truck to get it.

Thank God my dad didn’t listen to Doc Rivers and actually instructed his white son on how to interact with cops.  Both hands on the wheel, no sudden movements, ask the cop for permission to move your hands from the wheel for any reason and tell him the reason you need to do so. It’s advice that has served me well in my many traffic stops.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6859 on: August 26, 2020, 01:54:21 PM »
He may have over reacted but the driver has a responsibility to act slowly and to get permission for any action he needs to take
A "responsibility"? I'm not sure. Is that the most prudent and smartest action? Yes. 

But the cop asks for your wallet and you're complying with what he directly requested you to do, maybe the presumption should be that you're doing what you're told. 

When I get pulled over I make sure I have my license, insurance, registration all out before the officer approaches my vehicle. I have the engine off, keys on the dash (at least for cars that still use an ignition key, like the Jeep), and my hands on the steering wheel. That's what I was taught by my dad.

I don't do this because I feel I have a "responsibility" to do so, I do it because he's got a gun and I don't know if he's having a bad day or is particularly on edge, and I'm not going to take that chance. And because all he needs to say is "he was reaching for something" and he's going to get cleared, but I'm going to be the one who is dead. 

 

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