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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8596 on: September 07, 2020, 04:36:13 PM »
I once read some wag who said the Trump campaign in 2016 couldn't even coordinate with itself, much less the Russians.

I grinned.
In all honesty, I'm not convinced there was collusion. 

I think Russia wanted Trump to win. 

I think Trump benefited from Russia's interference. 

I think Trump's been very deferential to Russian interests since being elected... Even to the point where I've started looking at his behavior and asking "what would Russia want" and that seems to be the most likely Trump decision. 

I'm just not sure Trump's campaign actively colluded with Russia to win. More that they were fellow travelers working towards the same goal. 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8598 on: September 07, 2020, 04:42:57 PM »
I think the whole collusion idea is the SQUIRREL distraction.


ANOTHER COUNTRY MEDDLED IN OUR PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION AND THERE WERE NO CONSEQUENCES.  The benefactor won and remained in office.  The country in question hasn't faced any meaningful penalty, and now it's all about to happen again.



THAT is the point.  And it was lost on collusion.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8599 on: September 07, 2020, 04:43:54 PM »
“The Swamp is where Gators live.  We feel comfortable there, but we hope our opponents feel tentative. A swamp is hot and sticky and can be dangerous." - Steve Spurrier

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8600 on: September 07, 2020, 04:44:39 PM »
Always fun to try to set up the equation of protest=violence.

Sucks when someone points out that 93% of them are peaceful, huh?

https://time.com/5886348/report-peaceful-protests/
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Actually, that was my second choice.  I just used the Kavanaugh example of liberal criminal behavior because YOU can’t blame that on POTUS, he was not involved.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8601 on: September 07, 2020, 04:46:36 PM »
Im not sure of each states status

I know here in Texas Harris county wants to send out over 2,000,000 unrequested ballots and the State is threatening to sue

not sure what the latest is
Upon further review, it is not ballots, but ballot applications. Also upon further review, the setup doesn't allow voting by mail for the sake of voting by mail, so one can only do it if they are old, disabled, out of town or in jail. So probably not a great use of resources and should be targeted to the old/disabled.

Anyway, seems more sound than fury and in parts silly on both sides. 

(I think back to at one point after a September move that a poll worker said if I registered at the voting place, it was unclear if I'd be listed by the time the election rolled around, but absentee would get me a ballot in time. It ended up ironic because I absolutely wasn't in town on election day for work reasons, though I didn't realize at the time)

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8602 on: September 07, 2020, 04:47:01 PM »
Why are all of your links from radically far-right outlets?  Ohhhhh, right, never mind.  As you were.
Because, does it matter where we get Kamala Harris’s tweet from?  Do you think the white boogeymen made it up?

Do you notice most of what I am sharing is validated?  No “ sources” close to the situation, which seems to be the Dems calling card.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8603 on: September 07, 2020, 04:48:02 PM »
What about the 80,000,000 you pulled from your ass?
thats the total estimated number that will be sent out by all the states who say they want to do it

it has been reported several times by the media
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8604 on: September 07, 2020, 04:53:24 PM »
I think the whole collusion idea is the SQUIRREL distraction.


ANOTHER COUNTRY MEDDLED IN OUR PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION AND THERE WERE NO CONSEQUENCES.  The benefactor won and remained in office.  The country in question hasn't faced any meaningful penalty, and now it's all about to happen again.



THAT is the point.  And it was lost on collusion.
I could actually see the logic in this.  But who is meddling in this election more, China or Russia?  I have seen much evidence presented that would suggest it is China by a wide Margin.  And you KNOW who they favor- Trump is the first one to at least try to hold them accountable.

And lastly, who is in charge of a national election? Who has responsibility to limit or reduce foreign interference?    The administration.Under whose watch did this interference take place?  Your boy Obama.  

where does this “ interference” take place for the most part?  On social media platforms.  Are those very liberal or conservative?  That’s right, they are VERY liberal.  
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8605 on: September 07, 2020, 04:58:46 PM »
Always fun to try to set up the equation of protest=violence.

Sucks when someone points out that 93% of them are peaceful, huh?

https://time.com/5886348/report-peaceful-protests/
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Ahhh, I See now. Your saying the bail money was for PEACEFUL protestors who just happened to get arrested.  Makes sense, I have heard the Dems for 100 days saying the protests are peaceful.  It’s amazing how many times I watch them saying that with fires and violence going on in camera view.


By the way, is that the same source that claims the protests did not spread the virus?
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8606 on: September 07, 2020, 04:59:50 PM »
I think the whole collusion idea is the SQUIRREL distraction.

ANOTHER COUNTRY MEDDLED IN OUR PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION AND THERE WERE NO CONSEQUENCES.  The benefactor won and remained in office.  The country in question hasn't faced any meaningful penalty, and now it's all about to happen again.

THAT is the point.  And it was lost on collusion.
OK.  What would you propose to be done about it?  What should Obama have done about it?  I suppose he could have told Putin to "Cut it out".  That would work.

Don't you think Russia meddled in 2012?  In 2008?  In 1980?  I do.  There isn't a whole lot we can do about it.


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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8607 on: September 07, 2020, 05:04:31 PM »
What about the 80,000,000 you pulled from your ass?
He pulled out of extremely liberal New York Times ass. 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/08/11/us/politics/vote-by-mail-us-states.html


To be fair, it seems they included absentee ballots in that total, which I have heard not a single person object to.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8608 on: September 07, 2020, 05:07:07 PM »
The Governor here the other day said that he was thankful for the mostly peaceful protests in Kenosha. Meanwhile, lots of the town is burnt to a crisp and people lost businesses and jobs and inventory and money.

I'm pretty sure the Governor didn't take the same tour that the President did last week.

Most all windows are boarded up, but it's pretty cool that artists have been painting uplifting murals and such on them. This town will recover. I'm convinced of that.



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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8609 on: September 07, 2020, 05:12:49 PM »
https://justthenews.com/accountability/russia-and-ukraine-scandals/russia-collusion-hoax-decade-deceit-and-advent-new-info
There's a lot to unpack there, some of it beyond my knowledge. However, I will look at this:


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House Democrats in their impeachment proceedings declared that there was evidence that Trump withheld foreign aid in a July 2019 call with Ukraine’s president as pressure for an investigation of the Bidens.

Not true. Ukrainian prosecutors had already opened the investigation months earlier, and there was no mention of foreign aid being tied to a Biden investigation in the call.
First, the GAO has definitively affirmed that the President and the OMB (an executive agency branch) withheld aid illegally, and that to be legal the President would have had to officially follow certain procedures and disclosures as to the reason for withholding the aid--which obviously never happened. 

https://www.gao.gov/assets/710/703909.pdf

Second, you can look at the "transcript" of the call between Trump and the Ukranian President. (https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Unclassified09.2019.pdf) In it, there was the classic and well-known point where the Ukranian President asks about purchases of Javelin missiles and POTUS replies with "I'd like you to do us a favor, though". The immediate ask was to have them investigate Ukranian interference in the election, which was a sort of fever dream considering it was Russia, not Ukraine, that did so. 

But the very next statements were the Ukrainian President talking about how he viewed the US as a "strategic partnership" and then assured POTUS that all the investigations would be done "open and candididly". The very next statement by POTUS was directly about the prosecutor and Biden's son. And said "Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into that..."

The call between POTUS and Ukraine was July 25, 2019. The decision by the OMB to withhold the duly approved aid was July 25, 2019. 

Isn't that... convenient?

 

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