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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2912 on: June 08, 2020, 09:57:39 AM »
https://spectator.us/jk-rowling-road-terfdom/


JK Rowling and the battle for women's rights
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2913 on: June 08, 2020, 10:17:28 AM »
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2914 on: June 08, 2020, 10:38:23 AM »
Sounds like a bunch of crap to me

why no mention of the violence and crime from the looters

thank God the police were there to protect us

If the protesters would stick to protesting there would not have been a police response 

with tear gas
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2915 on: June 08, 2020, 10:55:55 AM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on June 08, 2020, 10:17:28 AM
Damn. John Oliver killed it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wf4cea5oObY
I’ll watch it, but I really don’t like the guy. I think he’s very deceitful. But again he’s a comedian so it’s probably not best to take him too seriously.

Jon Stewart was the best their ever was in that space. I don’t think anyone has come close to him since he left. 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2916 on: June 08, 2020, 11:00:41 AM »
Quote from: Entropy on June 08, 2020, 09:57:39 AM
https://spectator.us/jk-rowling-road-terfdom/


JK Rowling and the battle for women's rights
The twitter mob and the trans-nazi’s are batshit insane. It’s really unbelievable the times that we live in.

If someone wants to cut their dick off and have sex change surgery and take female hormones and get breast plants- whatever floats your boat. These people shouldn’t be ridiculed or have violence committed against them or be discriminated against or anything like that- but they should not expect the natural world to just change because they want it to. This is a delusion of grand proportions. Men are men and women are women. Period. Anyone who disputes this is just a god damn lunatic in my book.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2917 on: June 08, 2020, 11:04:53 AM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on June 08, 2020, 10:38:23 AM
Sounds like a bunch of crap to me

why no mention of the violence and crime from the looters

thank God the police were there to protect us

If the protesters would stick to protesting there would not have been a police response

with tear gas
Most of the protesters are sticking to protesting, to the point of begging the violent ones to go away.  The police are in many cases overreacting.
Several posters have made the point about the over-militarization of police forces.  You can see it over and over again.  They're wearing armor.  They're carrying shields.  They're wearing helmets and gas masks.  They're carrying nightsticks as well as their sidearms.  At least some of the time, they aren't responding to violence, they are initiating it.  They're ready for combat before there even is combat.  They're treating the protesters as an enemy to be beaten into submission.
I hated the "kneel for the National Anthem" movement.  But if we don't agree with the legitimacy of that, and we don't agree with the legitimacy of protest marches, then what are protesters allowed to do to exercise their 1st Amendment rights?  Only stage protests in favor of what the authorities want to hear?
We've got to have law AND order.  The law protects the protesters' right to have their say.  We have to have order in our cities so that life can go on.  But too many people are acting like it's only one OR the other.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2918 on: June 08, 2020, 11:11:27 AM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on June 08, 2020, 11:00:41 AM
The twitter mob and the trans-nazi’s are batshit insane. It’s really unbelievable the times that we live in.

If someone wants to cut their dick off and have sex change surgery and take female hormones and get breast plants- whatever floats your boat. These people shouldn’t be ridiculed or have violence committed against them or be discriminated against or anything like that- but they should not expect the natural world to just change because they want it to. This is a delusion of grand proportions. Men are men and women are women. Period. Anyone who disputes this is just a god damn lunatic in my book.
I wouldn't put it exactly that way, but, yeah.
Having plastic surgery and taking hormone treatments doesn't change anyone's sex.
Notice how "gender" (which originally just referred to categories of nouns) has replaced "sex" in our public conversation?  On applications and questionnaires, for example.
IMO, someone who believes that a man who has had the procedure you describe as some sort of woman is an example of only seeing evidence that supports one's own beliefs.
And someone like J.K. Rowling must be hounded from the public square lest people hear inconvenient and unpleasant truths.
I'm reminded of the "trans-female" invasion of girls' sports.  The "transitioning" boys somehow win all the events.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2919 on: June 08, 2020, 11:17:52 AM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on June 08, 2020, 10:38:23 AM
Sounds like a bunch of crap to me

why no mention of the violence and crime from the looters

thank God the police were there to protect us

If the protesters would stick to protesting there would not have been a police response

with tear gas
Protests, and riots, are an explosion of pent-up anger. Looters of course are opportunists riding on top of riots. 

Protests and riots about police brutality don't happen when there's not egregious examples of police brutality in the news, but the anger is under the surface because the problem is always lingering under the surface.

John Oliver's piece, primarily, was on what led to all that pent-up anger. How we got here, what we can do to fix it.

While I'm not excusing the riots/looters, focusing on the effect of the problem instead of the cause of the problem is a tactic of deflection.

Quote from: Mdot21 on June 08, 2020, 10:55:55 AM
I’ll watch it, but I really don’t like the guy. I think he’s very deceitful. But again he’s a comedian so it’s probably not best to take him too seriously.

Jon Stewart was the best their ever was in that space. I don’t think anyone has come close to him since he left.
His "character" definitely comes off as the pompous Brit, and some of his over the top incredulousnous can be tiring, but he does often make some good points. I think the meat of the episode was solid. 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2920 on: June 08, 2020, 11:20:38 AM »
also no mention of the murdered cop trying to protect private property against looters

I saw lots of peaceful protests where the cops stood back and allowed them to exercise their rights

I dont recall the police disrupting peaceful protests unless it was to enforce a curfew which really didnt happen enough

The police area tool used by a community to maintain order and law

if there is a fault its with how the community administers its police force

bad individual will always be present in any organization and the only thing that can be done is to try and weed them out not close down the organization

If a tree falls in the woods and no one hears it dit it really fall

If a store is robbed and there is no police force was a crime really committed 

thats the defunding logic
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2921 on: June 08, 2020, 11:22:38 AM »
Not just winning, but setting records, lol.

While I wouldn't put it the way Mdot did, I tend to agree that we are who we are.  That being said, I'm 100% certain some (few) people grow up feeling as if they're the other gender.  But even if that's the case, I'd encourage them to be themselves in the body they have.  Act how you genuinely are...the surgeries and hormones may just be a gigantic band-aid.  

As for the former men in women's athletics, they should have their own division.  That's not based on prejudice, it's based on science.  And I'm afraid if they did have their own division in myriad sports, it'd be too small to be maintained.  It would be unfortunate, but valid, and may open some people's eyes to how few of these individuals there actually are.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2922 on: June 08, 2020, 11:24:21 AM »
https://spectator.us/andrew-sullivan-new-york-column-riots/

New York magazine forbids gay, Obama-supporting semi-conservative writer Andrew Sullivan from writing about the violence accompanying the marches lest he criticize it.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2923 on: June 08, 2020, 11:24:58 AM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on June 08, 2020, 11:17:52 AM

While I'm not excusing the riots/looters, focusing on the effect of the problem instead of the cause of the problem is a tactic of deflection.
I don't think he realizes this, nor would accept it.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2924 on: June 08, 2020, 11:26:39 AM »
Quote from: CWSooner on June 08, 2020, 11:04:53 AM
Most of the protesters are sticking to protesting, to the point of begging the violent ones to go away.  The police are in many cases overreacting.
Several posters have made the point about the over-militarization of police forces.  You can see it over and over again.  They're wearing armor.  They're carrying shields.  They're wearing helmets and gas masks.  They're carrying nightsticks as well as their sidearms.  At least some of the time, they aren't responding to violence, they are initiating it.  They're ready for combat before there even is combat.  They're treating the protesters as an enemy to be beaten into submission.
I hated the "kneel for the National Anthem" movement.  But if we don't agree with the legitimacy of that, and we don't agree with the legitimacy of protest marches, then what are protesters allowed to do to exercise their 1st Amendment rights?  Only stage protests in favor of what the authorities want to hear?
We've got to have law AND order.  The law protects the protesters' right to have their say.  We have to have order in our cities so that life can go on.  But too many people are acting like it's only one OR the other.
Some of these peaceful protests are only peaceful because of the presence of law enforcement.  In others words- there are two sides to every story.
does anyone really believe for example, that this supposedly peaceful protest in DC would have stopped at the gates of the White House if the law enforcement was not blocking their path?
Really?  As it is- they are cussing and demeaning and shouting in the face of the police.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2925 on: June 08, 2020, 11:27:01 AM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on June 08, 2020, 10:17:28 AM
Damn. John Oliver killed it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wf4cea5oObY
One of the things that I hate most about our current situation is that it makes jackasses like John Oliver right.
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