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I agree that there are two sides to the story.  But I think we all believe that the people committing violent acts, looting, burning, initiating attacks on the police, should be arrested and charged with crimes.  Do we have the same expectation for police officers who go overboard?  It seems not.  It seems that many of us make excuses for them.

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Which is why you’re seeing these protests last WEEKS now. I’ve never see anything like this. These protests just keep going and growing. 


For far too long the police have gotten away with murder. Literally. The people of this country are standing up and saying no more. 

It’s not a few bad apples. It never has been. It’s the entire police culture and the criminal justice system where prosecutors throw the book at an ordinary joe for the smallest of offenses just in order to get him to plea down and keep their 99% conviction rates so it looks good on paper and like they are fighting the bad guys and are tough on crime- but at the same time absolutely refuses to bring charges on police officers out of fear of losing support of police unions come election time. 

All you have to do to really see the f’ed up, keep your mouth shout and lie and cover and look the other way for your “brothers” is that tape of George Floyd being murdered. There were 3 other officers who just sat there and watched. Did nothing at all to prevent a man from being murdered. They were complicit in it. If you have a position of authority and you know someone is doing something wrong- DO SOMETHING. Police need to stop telling the public- if you see something say something- and they need to start applying it to them god damn selves. When they see bad cops or dirty cops- they need to TURN ON THOSE COPS instead of cover for them or stand by and do nothing.

Another incident showing the sick, twisted immoral culture is the incident where those two subhuman ingrates shoved a 75 year old man down for no reason and he cracked his head open. 57 riot officers immediately resigned because the two officers who shoved a 75 year old man for no reason were suspended with pay. They resigned just because of a suspension with pay. RIDICULOUS. To make matters worse the Buffalo police chief and the head of the police union immediately came out and publicly backed these two scumbags, and when they were released from jail on bond there was maybe 100 police officers outside the jail cheering them on like they were some sort of heroes.

THIS is why the shit keeps happening. It’s because of the screwed up police culture and the gutless prosecutors who only care about moving up the political latter instead of justice and holding those who abuse their power accountable.

I think we should treat policing like we do being a soldier, in terms of officers taking tours or shifts, then being off for awhile.  And getting them some ongoing counseling.  

Maybe if we did that, it would bleed into vets getting treated better instead of basically ignored by everyone.  

Being a cop is hard and often shitty.  You deal with the same masses that can never get their shit together, over and over, day after day.  Maybe they should work 3 months, then take 1 off, something like that.  Or 10 months a year, like most teachers.  But being in it, day after day, year after year....that's going to build up in some people and it's going to come out in bad ways.  

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Which is why you’re seeing these protests last WEEKS now. I’ve never see anything like this. These protests just keep going and growing.


For far too long the police have gotten away with murder. Literally. The people of this country are standing up and saying no more.

It’s not a few bad apples. It never has been. It’s the entire police culture and the criminal justice system where prosecutors throw the book at an ordinary joe for the smallest of offenses just in order to get him to plea down and keep their 99% conviction rates so it looks good on paper and like they are fighting the bad guys and are tough on crime- but at the same time absolutely refuses to bring charges on police officers out of fear of losing support of police unions come election time.

All you have to do to really see the f’ed up, keep your mouth shout and lie and cover and look the other way for your “brothers” is that tape of George Floyd being murdered. There were 3 other officers who just sat there and watched. Did nothing at all to prevent a man from being murdered. They were complicit in it. If you have a position of authority and you know someone is doing something wrong- DO SOMETHING. Police need to stop telling the public- if you see something say something- and they need to start applying it to them god damn selves. When they see bad cops or dirty cops- they need to TURN ON THOSE COPS instead of cover for them or stand by and do nothing.

Another incident showing the sick, twisted immoral culture is the incident where those two subhuman ingrates shoved a 75 year old man down for no reason and he cracked his head open. 57 riot officers immediately resigned because the two officers who shoved a 75 year old man for no reason were suspended with pay. They resigned just because of a suspension with pay. RIDICULOUS. To make matters worse the Buffalo police chief and the head of the police union immediately came out and publicly backed these two scumbags, and when they were released from jail on bond there was maybe 100 police officers outside the jail cheering them on like they were some sort of heroes.

THIS is why the shit keeps happening. It’s because of the screwed up police culture and the gutless prosecutors who only care about moving up the political latter instead of justice and holding those who abuse their power accountable.

So- let’s say a person agrees with all of this. I know MANY do.  Does this mean the disgusting death of George Floyd was not racially motivated at all?  I mean, how do we know he isn’t just a scum who hates anyone and wants to brutalize people?  Why do the media assume that the black guy who last week shot one white clerk and set the other on fire, was just a bad person but it was not racially motivated.
Why does anyone who even tries to have a dialogue about it, get completely eviscerated by the talking heads?

I think we should treat policing like we do being a soldier, in terms of officers taking tours or shifts, then being off for awhile.  And getting them some ongoing counseling. 

Maybe if we did that, it would bleed into vets getting treated better instead of basically ignored by everyone. 

Being a cop is hard and often shitty.  You deal with the same masses that can never get their shit together, over and over, day after day.  Maybe they should work 3 months, then take 1 off, something like that.  Or 10 months a year, like most teachers.  But being in it, day after day, year after year....that's going to build up in some people and it's going to come out in bad ways. 

not a bad idea OAM
all it takes is money
Oh wait they are going to go the other way and defund

Well, in the current specific topic, dwelling on the rioting (which has largely ended in many places) is obvious deflection.  It's what Fox News is doing.  It's an obvious attempt to leave the police-murdering-unarmed-black-people headlines and trying to fast-forward to the okay-now-we-can-ignore-it-again, as it always inevitably happens.

Here in Phoenix, the 5th-largest city, there hasn't been rioting since that first night and the protests have only grown.  I doubt Fox is interested in that (to expose you to the other side of the coin). 

You could not be more wrong.  Their lead story online yesterday was “ the world is protesting “
they spent paragraphs talking about how peaceful they were.  They showed vid of cop being brutal.

the difference is- they also showed vid of a cop in NY- assigned to just stand on a quiet corner in case the late night brought out looters, was sneak attacked and stabbed in the neck.
I looked, all day at all of those websites. ( CNN ABC etc)
why was fox the only one that showed both?

So- let’s say a person agrees with all of this. I know MANY do.  Does this mean the disgusting death of George Floyd was not racially motivated at all?  I mean, how do we know he isn’t just a scum who hates anyone and wants to brutalize people?  Why do the media assume that the black guy who last week shot one white clerk and set the other on fire, was just a bad person but it was not racially motivated.
Why does anyone who even tries to have a dialogue about it, get completely eviscerated by the talking heads?

I think that's a legit question.  WAS George Floyd's killer motivated by racial animus?
We know that Chauvin is a bad actor, because he's had something like 16 previous incidents where he went over the top with violence.  Was it mostly directed toward black suspects, or is he an equal-opportunity thug in uniform?

Did Floyd resist before being detained?  Obviously resisting gets you rougher handling, rightly or wrongly.

Certainly once he was cuffed behind his back I don't see how he could be much of a threat, he could kick I suppose.

No.   He did not resist at all