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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2954 on: June 08, 2020, 12:12:12 PM »
Not even being arrested ---------> killed


We just need to narrow that gap.  We all agree with that, right?  
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2955 on: June 08, 2020, 12:14:46 PM »
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/28/us/video-george-floyd-contradict-resist-trnd/index.html

Yeah, a quick look suggests he did not resist at all.  Apparently Floyd was falling while cuffed.  Is that somehow resisting?  Not to me.  But that's why he was on the ground, not why the LEO had his knee on his neck, which was absurd.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2956 on: June 08, 2020, 12:15:48 PM »
HB, what do you set the odds of you being murdered at if you used a fake $20 bill and the cashier called the cops on you about it. 
What are the odds you'd even wind up on the ground?
What are the odds you'd even be yelled at? 
Hell, I'd put it at 50/50 that if they didn't have to put cuffs on you, they wouldn't.
What are the odds you'd even be arrested?

I ask myself those questions and based on my life experience, I'd probably be forced to forfeit the 20 bucks (obviously), have the rest of my cash checked, and I doubt I'd even be arrested.  And this guy is dead from it.  Do you see that gap?  This is the issue, man, not looting.
Fair question. What are the odds though, that a well educated older (58) year old man who has never been in any trouble with the law- would be in that neighborhood at all. 

I have seen police brutality a lot in live tv- it appears to know no color

now- what are the odds of a black business owner, in her mid 60s, trying to protect her jewelry shop from looters, being SEVERELY beaten by 3, very large black males? Would they have beaten her with 2x4s if she was black?
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2957 on: June 08, 2020, 12:16:15 PM »
Not even being arrested ---------> killed


We just need to narrow that gap.  We all agree with that, right? 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2958 on: June 08, 2020, 12:31:41 PM »
first of all looting and property damage to a community should never be tolerated and thats why we need a police force

The whole problem was the looting and property damage

It hijacked the protesters movement and thats a shame but never the less is the fact

A bad cop murdered a black man and is being prosecuted for that crime but I'll be damned if I'm going to bow down and say I have white privilege and allow you to burn my property because of it

thats whats crap
But fundamentally you have to ask how we got here... You can't single out one aspect of the "whole problem" and exclude the very thing that the protesters say is the reason for the protests.  

This isn't one isolated case--it's a pattern of abuse of minorities at the hands of police. It's a pattern of adversarial policing in the inner cities. It's a pattern of lack of oversight and accountability when abuse occurs. 

The looting and rioting is a problem, but it's not the whole problem.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2959 on: June 08, 2020, 12:44:23 PM »
often- when you accuse someone of deflection, you’re saying that you have the right answer and by not responding to that specific thing- you are deflecting
An example of deflection would be what happened when NFL players were kneeling during the anthem. Players were demonstrating against a culture of police brutality where there are no consequences for the offenders, and everyone said "why are they against the troops?!"

The protests had some violent looting, especially at the beginning. I believe almost everywhere, that this has calmed down. I know the protests I saw on TV in LA around mid-week had no violence--it's about trying to actually get results this time. 

But when the response to everything, especially those things trying to address the root cause of the problem, go to "but what about the rioting and looters?" I call it a deflection. 

It's a bad situation, and you can't defend the rioting and looting. You can't defend the violence against business owners and cops. Those are horrible things. 

But it doesn't change the fact that we're here because of a culture of police brutality and this powder keg was touched off by an egregious murder of a black man by Minnesota cops 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2960 on: June 08, 2020, 12:47:35 PM »
What steps could be taken quickly that would cause many protesters to believe they had "won" and got what they wanted so they stopped protesting?


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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2961 on: June 08, 2020, 12:50:26 PM »
An example of deflection would be what happened when NFL players were kneeling during the anthem. Players were demonstrating against a culture of police brutality where there are no consequences for the offenders, and everyone said "why are they against the troops?!"

The protests had some violent looting, especially at the beginning. I believe almost everywhere, that this has calmed down. I know the protests I saw on TV in LA around mid-week had no violence--it's about trying to actually get results this time.

But when the response to everything, especially those things trying to address the root cause of the problem, go to "but what about the rioting and looters?" I call it a deflection.

It's a bad situation, and you can't defend the rioting and looting. You can't defend the violence against business owners and cops. Those are horrible things.

But it doesn't change the fact that we're here because of a culture of police brutality and this powder keg was touched off by an egregious murder of a black man by Minnesota cops
first of all I dont think we have a culture of police brutality but its still a shame that peaceful protests and their message was hijacked by those who dont like this country and would do it harm 

also the leaders of the protests did little to distance themselves from the violence and often times encouraged it
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2962 on: June 08, 2020, 01:00:29 PM »
What steps could be taken quickly that would cause many protesters to believe they had "won" and got what they wanted so they stopped protesting?


Some bill was introduced in the House today??
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2963 on: June 08, 2020, 01:02:02 PM »
An example of deflection would be what happened when NFL players were kneeling during the anthem. Players were demonstrating against a culture of police brutality where there are no consequences for the offenders, and everyone said "why are they against the troops?!"
Perfect example.  
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2964 on: June 08, 2020, 01:02:52 PM »
first of all I dont think we have a culture of police brutality 
I'm guessing you aren't black.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2965 on: June 08, 2020, 01:06:19 PM »
Don't forget the president called them sons of bitches. I've actually been surprised at how much unity has sprouted up around these protests.  Talking about racism in this country is often an exercise in people not wanting to deal with history. This feels like somewhat of a change in attitude about it.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2966 on: June 08, 2020, 01:06:29 PM »
The police department here is more black than the city is.  Are they racist?  Or is this something else?


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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2967 on: June 08, 2020, 01:15:54 PM »
I'm guessing you aren't black.
and Im guessing you are

oh wait a minute you told us that up front
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