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Kris60

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6916 on: August 26, 2020, 04:05:19 PM »
Phoenix has 450 such reported encounters in a month. Seems like a lot, Though I guess everyone's mileage varies. The second link shows some kids, including a six year old, being handcuffed at gunpoint due to department policy. That says it's pretty well accepted.
450 out of how many total encounters?  What was the behavior of the people being pulled over?  Who decides on what is a lot?

That picture does not prove it is accepted. Something happening does not mean it is accepted. This is the shit that drives me crazy.  You are pushing a narrative that you really can’t back up. “Police pointing their guns at people has become too common and accepted.”  And these narratives too often go unchallenged.  Doc Rivers said white people don’t have to worry about how a traffic stop might end. Bull. Shit.  Someone needs to start calling people out on this crap.  These claims of cops laying waste to black people do not hold up statistically.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6917 on: August 26, 2020, 04:07:50 PM »
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Sunday, May 31, 2020

Attorney General William P. Barr's Statement on Riots and Domestic Terrorism


Attorney General William P. Barr has issued the following statement:
“With the rioting that is occurring in many of our cities around the country, the voices of peaceful and legitimate protests have been hijacked by violent radical elements.  Groups of outside radicals and agitators are exploiting the situation to pursue their own separate, violent, and extremist agenda.
It is time to stop watching the violence and to confront and stop it.  The continued violence and destruction of property endangers the lives and livelihoods of others, and interferes with the rights of peaceful protestors, as well as all other citizens.
It also undercuts the urgent work that needs to be done – through constructive engagement between affected communities and law enforcement leaders – to address legitimate grievances.  Preventing reconciliation and driving us apart is the goal of these radical groups, and we cannot let them succeed.
It is the responsibility of state and local leaders to ensure that adequate law enforcement resources, including the National Guard where necessary, are deployed on the streets to reestablish law and order.  We saw this finally happen in Minneapolis last night, and it worked.
Federal law enforcement actions will be directed at apprehending and charging the violent radical agitators who have hijacked peaceful protest and are engaged in violations of federal law.
To identify criminal organizers and instigators, and to coordinate federal resources with our state and local partners, federal law enforcement is using our existing network of 56 regional FBI Joint Terrorism Task Forces (JTTF).
The violence instigated and carried out by Antifa and other similar groups in connection with the rioting is domestic terrorism and will be treated accordingly.”




Badge, I'm not talking about if this is considered domestic terrorism. I get that it is according to the DOJ. 

What I am wondering is if it was not considered that and instead was considered just a riot, would insurance pay out? And if the answer is yes, it would imply that the above proclamation in some way hindered the ability of folks to recover from the damage. 

And that would be interesting.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6918 on: August 26, 2020, 04:10:05 PM »
Just so. Obviously the language of the policy is most important. But if it covers things like vandalism, I'm not sure how they can justify not covering vandalism based on the political viewpoint of the vandal. Maybe that's why Bob Barr is making a point about it.
I mean, the point being made is more about politics and PR, and that's what it is.

But if it gives insurance, something folks paid for, an out, well that behavior from an insurance company would be unsurprising and the situation would be to a degree ironic.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6919 on: August 26, 2020, 04:11:21 PM »
Sadly, our attorney general has lost the confidence of more than half of the population. I find zero comfort in anything he says. That is atypical.

Sadly, what is going on has turned into viewing things universally through a political lens. That is atypical. We are as far apart from a united country as we have been in my lifetime. That is more than sad, it's distressing.

Badge: your definition of terrorism (and I agree with it) is not rioting. It is the "calculated use" of violence, which rioting isn't. That doesn't make rioting ok, but it is fundamentally different. Now, instigators--those who plan and intend to incite rioting--they may be fairly accused of terrorism. Even in this situation, that is a very small group of people--and reports from non-politicized government agencies appear to view the problem as coming more from those opposed to the protesters than those who align with them. That's not universal, but in the aggregate.

As I said a few pages back, this whole thing sucks.

But I'll add to that: as long as our leaders fan the flames of division, it will get worse.

These rioters parking their cars (license plates covered with duct tape) and leaving with gas cans and flairs are not calculating? 

Because this is what is going on here.

This is terrorism, and it's politically motivated. And yes, it sucks. It also sucks that more of them are coming this weekend. 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6920 on: August 26, 2020, 04:11:45 PM »
450 out of how many total encounters?  What was the behavior of the people being pulled over?  Who decides on what is a lot?

That picture does not prove it is accepted. Something happening does not mean it is accepted. This is the shit that drives me crazy.  You are pushing a narrative that you really can’t back up. “Police pointing their guns at people has become too common and accepted.”  And these narratives too often go unchallenged.  Doc Rivers said white people don’t have to worry about how a traffic stop might end. Bull. Shit.  Someone needs to start calling people out on this crap.  These claims of cops laying waste to black people do not hold up statistically.
What's the counter argument? If 450 in one jurisdiction in one month isn't common, what is? If it doesn't bother you, isn't it by definition accepted? I could post links all day of people being held at gunpoint by the police - my point is that once it makes it into the policy book, it's pretty danged accepted.

Here's another one

https://www.google.com/amp/s/newsone.com/3992931/graphic-video-black-teens-who-needed-help-held-at-gunpoint-cops/amp/

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6921 on: August 26, 2020, 04:15:34 PM »
Milwaukee Bucks scheduled for a playoff game right now - they haven't come onto the court out of protest

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6922 on: August 26, 2020, 04:18:43 PM »
Off topic and not to hop onto the complaining about 2020 bandwagon, I dream of a world where the 2021 SOC is mostly focused on arguments over chili and vehicles I'm not interested in. Maybe which pizzas we find acceptable too.

Also, my favorite local BBQ place had been letting me pre-order single serving meals. Now they upped it to pre-ordering only family meals and needing walk-up for the rest. The line is always long, and I don't know if I want to deal with that. Not that I haven't gone there 5-6 times in the pandemic. 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6923 on: August 26, 2020, 04:20:05 PM »
Off topic and not to hop onto the complaining about 2020 bandwagon, I dream of a world where the 2021 SOC is mostly focused on arguments over chili and vehicles I'm not interested in. Maybe which pizzas we find acceptable too.
Maybe even some college football

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6924 on: August 26, 2020, 04:24:32 PM »
It is not a straw man. Police pointing their gun at people has become somewhat disturbingly common and accepted
You claimed it "has become", as in, it is now more frequent than it was previously.  I see no evidence it HAS BECOME more common than it was.

The real question should be how often a gun is pointed at someone without cause and against policy.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6925 on: August 26, 2020, 04:28:49 PM »
You claimed it "has become", as in, it is now more frequent than it was previously.  I see no evidence it HAS BECOME more common than it was.

The real question should be how often a gun is pointed at someone without cause and against policy.
But why is that? If you are bring held at gunpoint I'm not sure it's very comforting to know it's per department policy.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6926 on: August 26, 2020, 04:31:51 PM »
Maybe even some college football
You know what, maybe I'll do some of that. 

I was reading an article from Ramzy over at 11W. It was about the curse of Bert running his mouth, which was followed by UW losing every game to OSU and PSU. It was a weird article because while the PSU part kinda makes more sense, the only curse-y loss to OSU came before the boast. Every other year, OSU has been better in about the way OSU is better than most teams. It felt kinda silly and chintzy in a way. But the main thing that kinda got my attention was some savoring of the 2012 OSU win in Madison.

It was interesting because it painted it as a clash of high drama, with a memorable play (Shazier punching the ball from Ball's hands). And in truth, the game is awful. OSU was better by far, but UW just made it a rock fight. UW had one smash-y TD drive. Half of OSU's points in regulation were on a punt return. Wisconsin only got to OT because a QB who couldn't throw led a drive 52 yards in a minute, erasing a 2nd and 21. The way the game went was kinda embarrassing, though OSU came out undefeated. 

Do OSU fans think fondly of that game? Or not think about it at all, and the writing was just flourish?

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6927 on: August 26, 2020, 04:36:09 PM »
Milwaukee Bucks scheduled for a playoff game right now - they haven't come onto the court out of protest
That'll help. Nothing.

None of this is.

And yeah, 2020 can go suck ass.


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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6928 on: August 26, 2020, 04:43:12 PM »
Milwaukee Bucks scheduled for a playoff game right now - they haven't come onto the court out of protest
they should forfeit 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6929 on: August 26, 2020, 04:45:12 PM »
But why is that? If you are bring held at gunpoint I'm not sure it's very comforting to know it's per department policy.

If you don't like department policy, send them a petition.

You claimed, without evidence, that this is more common today than previously.  Of course, you claim a lot of stuff with no evidence.


 

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