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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4592 on: July 07, 2020, 12:06:01 PM »
Better education, jobs and investment in poor areas. Better infrastructure too.

It might be too late for Illinois. Credit rating is one rung above junk, and people with money are leaving.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4593 on: July 07, 2020, 12:06:16 PM »
Most black people are killed by: other black people. Not the police.

Blacks are only about 13% of the population, maybe less. Yet they commit about 52% of all homicides in the US. And 93% of all black homicide victims were killed by: other black people.

I think there is a poverty/class problem in this country, and people are miscategorizing it as racism. Reduction in poverty and giving people more opportunities in life tends to lead to reductions in crime and crime rates.

All this virtue signaling and sandbagging bullshit isn't helping anyone. If people really want to help blacks in this country, they ought to do something about improving education and job opportunities in the poor black inner cities, they ought to do something about the corrupt politicians (mostly all Democratic by the way) who run these cities into the ground, and they ought to do something about employers paying these people a living wage. Walmart for instance is the largest single employer in the US, yet doesn't pay it's workers an actual living wage. Walmart actually has programs where they teach their workers how to get on government programs to get aid to cover the shortfalls in their living expenses.

Just look at the millions of manufacturing and other US jobs that have been wiped out here and gone off to China, never to return. With the financialization of the US economy coinciding with American companies moving to China- US multinationals have made record amounts of money by exploiting China, and where has that record profit gone? In the hands of a very tiny % of executives and shareholders through stock repurchasing programs. The American worker has gotten virtually none of it.

The average CEO compensation for a Fortune 500 alone has grown about 1,000% since 1980. 1,000%. Typical worker compensation? 12%. It would take an average worker about 1,000 years of working to make what an average CEO makes in just one year.

This is the real problem. And the black people have probably been hit the hardest by this outsourcing spree. Cities like Detroit which have a huge black population thrived when those black people had decent, well paying jobs which gave them a livable wage. Look at Detroit now. It has lost basically all of it's manufacturing jobs. The state of Michigan lost 50% of all of it's manufacturing jobs from 2000-2010 alone.

Of course US multinationals will tweet black lives matter or virtue signal or do other meaningless PR stunts- because it will allow them to shift blame and not have to answer any questions. Jamie Dimon kneeling in front of a giant bank vault at a Chase bank was just too much. I literally broke out in laughter. These corporate people are complete ass clowns. And the masses fall for their bullshit hook line and sinker.
I agree with most of your post except for the part about companies paying a "living wage". It is not the job of a company or corporation to pay a living wage. They offer jobs that pay what it would take to have someone fill the job and not more than the job is worth. It is up to the employee to make themselves more marketable or valuable to increase their earning power. 

For example, I could hire someone to mow my grass if I feel I am getting a value from it. I may place that value at $20 and would be willing to pay someone that amount to mow it. However, if nobody feels that $20 is worth the time it would take to mow the lawn, I would have to do it myself or increase the amount that I am willing to pay. At some point, that price point is reached and I have to make a decision to either pay more, do it myself or simply not mow it. (As I live in the country, I can choose to not mow my grass as I have no ordinances saying otherwise).

The same applies to businesses. They can choose to put the job out there at a price point and people will either work for that amount, or they won't. If they feel the job is worth being done at a higher price point, they will increase the amount they are willing to pay. If not, they will just not fill the job. But what they do not have to do is make sure they are paying what some to perceive as a "living wage". I don't want McDonald's or Wendy's paying a living wage to the kid that can't assemble a hamburger correctly and then charge me significantly more money for an inferior product.  That is a recipe for failure. At some price point, people will simply not frequent the business. 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4594 on: July 07, 2020, 12:34:02 PM »
They can achieve most of these demands with one simple step.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4595 on: July 07, 2020, 12:35:34 PM »
 roughly 500 stores, Walmart has raised starting hourly pay for team associates, a newly created role, to $12 from $11. The company said some of these new hires will work as cashiers, people who help stock shelves and deli workers.Jan 24, 2020

Walmart raises starting hourly wage to $12 in 500 stores

What is a "living wage" anyway?  Should I expect to be paid more when I am reliant on the company to train me from scratch?

If I show up on time, am honest, and work decently well, am I likely to have opportunities in management at Walmart?




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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4596 on: July 07, 2020, 02:09:41 PM »
They can achieve most of these demands with one simple step.


Brutal ignorance.
You can go back as far as you want - back to the very first city - and crime is highest in the poorest area.  Your meme isn't a simple step, it's nonsensical. 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4597 on: July 07, 2020, 02:10:39 PM »
roughly 500 stores, Walmart has raised starting hourly pay for team associates, a newly created role, to $12 from $11. The company said some of these new hires will work as cashiers, people who help stock shelves and deli workers.Jan 24, 2020

Walmart raises starting hourly wage to $12 in 500 stores

What is a "living wage" anyway?  Should I expect to be paid more when I am reliant on the company to train me from scratch?

If I show up on time, am honest, and work decently well, am I likely to have opportunities in management at Walmart?
Yes, a family of billionaires nickel-and-diming impoverished workers is a major part of the problem.  
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4598 on: July 07, 2020, 02:13:56 PM »
Tell me what legislation would deal with any of these wants?

They want to not grow up in the "bad" part of town.
They want to not be followed in stores by staff.
They want their resume to stand on its own and not be negatively influenced by the name at the top.
They want a speeding ticket to be an annoyance, not a life-or-death situation.
They don't want to be a box to check off as a friend or lover.
They don't want to be 'they'.
Thank you for asking that question.  Now, I'm sure there are numerous acts of legislation that could at least help with these wants, BUT...
your point is that it's not about legislation and I agree.  These points are born of the systematic racism most of the posters here deny exists.  
How about all of the people who assure us they're not racist stop doing the dozen or so tiny acts that make it easy  to ask if they're racist?

Certain people need to change their behavior.  It should be easy.  Just like telling the poor to stop breaking the law.  It's a simple step.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4599 on: July 07, 2020, 02:16:07 PM »
Do you think legislation can correct this properly?


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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4600 on: July 07, 2020, 02:19:32 PM »
No one thing can correct decades of wrongdoing.  Any fixes I've suggested would take like 2 generations to work - and while that's a long time, it's a lot shorter than how long it's been mucked up to get us here.

Any quick fix is B.S.  
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4601 on: July 07, 2020, 02:20:19 PM »
Certain people NEED to change their behavior.  OK, I agree that is desirable.  But in my experience, human beings are recalcitrant entities loathe to alter behaviors, especially deep seated feelings they may not admit to having.

Protesting, and rioting in particular I suspect, is more likely than not to entrench those feelings rather than alter them.

I may as well say "Certain people need to stay in school and not have babies when they are 15 and be honest and diligent."  That is also true, everyone would agree I think, but saying it and wishing for it hardly makes it any more a reality.

Just seeing a NEED and articulating it is fine, I suppose, but it doesn't offer any solution, or potential solution, or cure, or much of anything.

Some problems lack practicable solutions.


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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4602 on: July 07, 2020, 02:29:34 PM »
Brutal ignorance.
You can go back as far as you want - back to the very first city - and crime is highest in the poorest area.  Your meme isn't a simple step, it's nonsensical.
WV and Mississippi annually battle it out for poorest state in the country yet both have crime rates that put them anywhere from the top half to top third of the country.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4603 on: July 07, 2020, 02:41:45 PM »
Thank you for asking that question.  Now, I'm sure there are numerous acts of legislation that could at least help with these wants, BUT...
your point is that it's not about legislation and I agree.  These points are born of the systematic racism most of the posters here deny exists. 
How about all of the people who assure us they're not racist stop doing the dozen or so tiny acts that make it easy  to ask if they're racist?

Certain people need to change their behavior.  It should be easy.  Just like telling the poor to stop breaking the law.  It's a simple step.
When I hear systemic racism I think of federal and state regulations and laws that are set up to make achieving the American Dream harder for minorities. I don’t see that and that doesn’t seem to be what you are talking about.

It seems like you are addressing individuals who are racist and, yes, those people are certainly out there. But I don’t think of that as systemic racism.  Certainly individual behavior can improve but from a legislative standpoint I don’t know you can address that.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4604 on: July 07, 2020, 03:07:51 PM »
Brutal ignorance.
You can go back as far as you want - back to the very first city - and crime is highest in the poorest area.  Your meme isn't a simple step, it's nonsensical.
Nice excuse, but there are plenty of poor people that aren't criminals.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4605 on: July 07, 2020, 03:47:29 PM »
Need to build trust. 2-way street. I don't know why I've never thought of this.
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