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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4564 on: July 07, 2020, 06:05:40 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on July 07, 2020, 05:51:19 AM
I don't complain about something if I don't have some kind of outline of a proposal to deal with it.

I want unicorns with rainbows coming out of their derriers too.  I don't expect politicians to figure out how.

Provide something tangible and concrete in terms of proposals or to me, it's just whining and virtue signaling, and socializing.

I dunno man if I get crappy food at a restaurant I just tell them them the food was crap. I don't typically have a Powerpoint presentation prepared on what could be done better. 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4565 on: July 07, 2020, 06:19:18 AM »
That obviously is not my point.  If I want equal treatment, I would propose something, anything, that a politician might do to promote that.

You can't change people's minds about racism by legislation, at least not short term.  If black folks feel that businesses keep an eye on them without merit in a store, you can't fix that, period.  In my experience around here, the vast majority of people working in any store are African American anyway.  The majority of the police are African American.

If you don't have proposals, I don't have anything other than sympathy, and figure "Well, I don't know what to DO about your problems."

Not every problem has a solution at least not short term.

So, I still don't know what the protesters WANT out of this other than rainbows and unicorns.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4566 on: July 07, 2020, 06:27:54 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on July 07, 2020, 06:19:18 AM
That obviously is not my point.  If I want equal treatment, I would propose something, anything, that a politician might do to promote that.

You can't change people's minds about racism by legislation, at least not short term.  If black folks feel that businesses keep an eye on them without merit in a store, you can't fix that, period.  In my experience around here, the vast majority of people working in any store are African American anyway.  The majority of the police are African American.

If you don't have proposals, I don't have anything other than sympathy, and figure "Well, I don't know what to DO about your problems."

Not every problem has a solution at least not short term.

So, I still don't know what the protesters WANT out of this other than rainbows and unicorns.
But it is your point. Whether you like it or not, protests are a step to effecting change. The whole point is not to implement some law but to tell the leaders, (and voters) what they want. They've said that, and time will tell what will be done about it.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4567 on: July 07, 2020, 07:01:20 AM »
So, the protesters want outcomes that are broadly impossible to achieve by legislation.

And the politicians will throw them a sop that has no chance of DOING anything in real life.  And the protesters will come out again the next time they judge some police action as being improper.

I view this as exceedingly immature and childish.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4568 on: July 07, 2020, 07:35:29 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on July 07, 2020, 07:01:20 AM
So, the protesters want outcomes that are broadly impossible to achieve by legislation.

And the politicians will throw them a sop that has no chance of DOING anything in real life.  And the protesters will come out again the next time they judge some police action as being improper.

I view this as exceedingly immature and childish.


Maybe you view it that way, but various legislatures are passing various bills in response to the protests, so it's clear they don't view it as childish, and it's clear the protests are getting things done, so I'm not sure I get your point.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4569 on: July 07, 2020, 08:23:06 AM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on July 07, 2020, 06:05:40 AM
I dunno man if I get crappy food at a restaurant I just tell them them the food was crap. I don't typically have a Powerpoint presentation prepared on what could be done better.

Oh great. Now I am picturing Johnny Paycheck, getting all Karen on a manager. 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4570 on: July 07, 2020, 08:30:16 AM »
Protestors are definitely getting things done.

They got Target and CVS and many others to pull out of some Chicago neighborhoods. Now that's what I call getting things done.

Walmart is going to rebuild, so the protestors aren't perfect.


The next round of protests will be about how some Chicago neighborhoods are food and Rx deserts, due to racist business policies.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4571 on: July 07, 2020, 08:33:42 AM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on July 07, 2020, 08:23:06 AM
Oh great. Now I am picturing Johnny Paycheck, getting all Karen on a manager.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4572 on: July 07, 2020, 08:54:29 AM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on July 07, 2020, 07:35:29 AM
Maybe you view it that way, but various legislatures are passing various bills in response to the protests, so it's clear they don't view it as childish, and it's clear the protests are getting things done, so I'm not sure I get your point.
Yeah, the legislation I see being passed is largely not going to address the issues cited here.

Connect the WANTS and the LEGISLATION and you'll see how rarely they intersect.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4573 on: July 07, 2020, 08:58:49 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 06, 2020, 05:12:38 PM
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They want to not grow up in the "bad" part of town.
They want to not be followed in stores by staff.
They want their resume to stand on its own and not be negatively influenced by the name at the top.
They want a speeding ticket to be an annoyance, not a life-or-death situation.
They don't want to be a box to check off as a friend or lover.
They don't want to be 'they'.

Why is equality for others such a blind spot for some of you?!?  It's disgusting.
Let's stipulate these are what protesters would like to have happen, and connect any of these with any plausible legislation.

1.  Can't be legislated, or changed, in any way I can see.
2.  Can't be legislated.
3.  Cant' be legislated.
4.  Can't be legislated.  (Is this really a problem?)
5.  Can't be legislated.  (I don't even know what it means.)
6.  Can't be legislated.

You simply can't legislate "equality" and "fairness".  You can legislate affirmative action, which has been done decades ago.  I saw it up close in action where I worked, and it was by no means ensuring equality at all.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4574 on: July 07, 2020, 09:01:14 AM »
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4575 on: July 07, 2020, 09:18:08 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on July 07, 2020, 08:54:29 AM
Yeah, the legislation I see being passed is largely not going to address the issues cited here.

Connect the WANTS and the LEGISLATION and you'll see how rarely they intersect.
Quote from: Cincydawg on July 07, 2020, 08:58:49 AM
Let's stipulate these are what protesters would like to have happen, and connect any of these with any plausible legislation.

1.  Can't be legislated, or changed, in any way I can see.
2.  Can't be legislated.
3.  Cant' be legislated.
4.  Can't be legislated.  (Is this really a problem?)
5.  Can't be legislated.  (I don't even know what it means.)
6.  Can't be legislated.

You simply can't legislate "equality" and "fairness".  You can legislate affirmative action, which has been done decades ago.  I saw it up close in action where I worked, and it was by no means ensuring equality at all.
I mean...this is clearly false. They have been legislating equality and fairness for some time. The 14th Amendment is pretty much all about legislating equality and fairness.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4576 on: July 07, 2020, 09:28:29 AM »
OK, then, 14th Amendment, long time ago, so we already have equity and fairness.  Huh, problem solved and we didn't know it.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4577 on: July 07, 2020, 09:38:57 AM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on July 07, 2020, 09:18:08 AM
I mean...this is clearly false. They have been legislating equality and fairness for some time. The 14th Amendment is pretty much all about legislating equality and fairness.
Right.  Minorities have the same rights and privileges as everyone else.  Cincy’s point is you can’t pass legislation that makes it illegal for a cop to be suspicious of a black person.  You can’t pass legislation that makes it illegal for a clerk at Macy’s to keep an eye on a black person.

Btw, those happenings aren’t unique to people of color.  There are plenty of white people walking around who would draw an extra look from a cop or store employee.
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