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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #1288 on: April 07, 2020, 05:40:23 PM »
Quote from: ELA on April 07, 2020, 05:32:44 PM
If they didn't why would they do it?  What other reason is there to sprint up to the line, just to stand and stare at the sidelines for 30 seconds?

There were always more rotations on defense than on offense, particularly in the trenches.
I don't think it's about making the defense tired as much as it's about limiting substitutions for run/pass situations.

They want to keep the defense in the same personnel package and then let the coach/OC pick the plays that best attack that personnel package.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #1289 on: April 07, 2020, 06:50:26 PM »
ELA: Do you have a suggestion to fix what you see as the problem, other than defensive players faking injury?
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #1290 on: April 07, 2020, 07:22:30 PM »
Quote from: CWSooner on April 07, 2020, 06:50:26 PM
ELA: Do you have a suggestion to fix what you see as the problem, other than defensive players faking injury?
I don't think you should be allowed to snap the ball within the first 10 seconds once the ball is snapped, unless you are inside the final two minutes of each half.  One of the blogs did an analysis of it, and I want to say it was like 8% of the time teams got to the line within 5 seconds of the ball being snapped, they actually snapped the ball in under 10 seconds.  92% of the time it is solely to prevent substitutions.

I as a viewer hate how it has removed replay and analysis from the broadcasts.  Teams aren't going necessarily faster, they are just spending more time standing at the line.  And from a football perspective, I think it has led to a dumbed down product.  Not sure Chip Kelly was the first, but he certainly popularized the idea, that if you just prevent substitutions, you don't need to actually run a complex offense.  Hurry Up and Wait has turned chess into checkers.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #1291 on: April 07, 2020, 07:24:40 PM »
You're using "snap" in two different ways.  Do you mean "set" the ball in the first instance?
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #1292 on: April 07, 2020, 07:30:28 PM »
I just don't have a problem with limiting situational substitutions.  Fundamentally, that doesn't bother me.

Fundamentally, I'd be just fine with eliminating all substitutions and having the same 11 players on the field for a team at all times.  Fundamentally, I'd be just fine with eliminating the platoon system and playing both ways the entire game.

Fundamentally, I view that as an intriguing idea.  Really, really intriguing.  It could certainly serve to remove some of the unnecessary bloat.  11 guys on one team, going up against the same 11 guys from the other team, for the entire game.

Yup, the more I think about this, the more I like it. :)
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #1293 on: April 07, 2020, 07:32:08 PM »
Yeah, sorry typo.

There's a reason Chip Kelly is trash now.  He was never a particularly brilliant offensive mind, he just knew how to exploit efficiencies.  Good for him.  Once everyone did it, it turned out he wasn't particularly clever.

It's been IMO, the biggest downside to analytics in all sports (at least football, basketball and baseball).  It's led to monolithic thinking, and a product that is not visually appealing.  You know what is the most efficient football?  Running to the line, standing there, and running one of like 4 plays.  The most efficient basketball?  Just jacking up threes, not within any sort of offensive flow?  Baseball?  The strikeout aversion made no sense.  Just swing for the fences, and who cares if you strike out.  Every AB is a HR, strike out or walk.

I'm not questioning that the methods are the most efficient.  But the diversity in the sports has unquestionably declined, and from a viewer standpoint, to me, it seems like the most "efficient" strategies, are the least watchable.

For football, I don't want 3 yards and a cloud of dust.  But I don't know how watching 22 guys staring at the sidelines for 30 seconds, just to throw a slant route to the slot receiver lined up on a LB is any better.  I would much prefer to watch the booth analyze the previous play while the coordinators match wits behind the scenes.  I'm sure young people love it, causal fans love it.  It's high scoring, defenses are neutered, but football has fallen clearly to #3 for me in my favorite sport rankings.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #1294 on: April 07, 2020, 07:49:10 PM »
Wouldn't reducing the play clock mitigate a lot of this? I think the substitution rules are fine as they are.

Reducing the shot clock has been good for college basketball, along with this year's change to reduce the shot clock after offensive rebounds to 20. It certainly made games involving slow teams more watchable.

Michigan in Harbaugh's first 4 years was as guilty of killing clock for no good reason, even when they were behind. Thankfully Gattis has mostly fixed that.

I was annoyed when the rule changed that allows the clock restart before the snap after first downs and more recently when players go out of bounds. Reducing the play clock would counter those changes to increase the number of plays.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #1295 on: April 07, 2020, 08:53:50 PM »
I somewhat disagree. OSU has been big on the hurry up and wait offense, but it had changed and they have had a rather large selection of plays. I didn't watch any of their games this season and been bored by their play selection.

But a big problem is that there is no real advantage to huddling. Either the huddle is important to football and rules should reflect that, or not. Random thought, coaches shouldn't be allowed to communicate plays if the team doesn't huddle.

Personally, I'd like to see limits on substitutions and less communication between coaches and players.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #1296 on: April 07, 2020, 09:16:28 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on April 07, 2020, 08:53:50 PM
Random thought, coaches shouldn't be allowed to communicate plays if the team doesn't huddle.

Personally, I'd like to see limits on substitutions and less communication between coaches and players.
I'd be ok with that.

The NFL earpiece is one of the most asinine rule changes ever.  I'm not sure why that didn't get more pushback at the time.  Could you imagine if the batter and pitcher had earpieces?  The fury that would cause.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #1297 on: April 08, 2020, 12:30:22 AM »
Quote from: utee94 on April 07, 2020, 07:30:28 PM
  It could certainly serve to remove some of the unnecessary bloat.  11 guys on one team, going up against the same 11 guys from the other team, for the entire game.

Yup, the more I think about this, the more I like it. :)

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #1298 on: April 08, 2020, 05:50:43 PM »
Any recommendations on meat slicers? 

The bacon was a hit, so I'm planning on doing another (bigger) batch. And quite frankly, I'd love to start making things like pastrami, corned beef, roast beef, etc. 

I'm hoping to get enough use out of the thing to make it worth it rather than trying to cut things by hand, but at the same time probably won't use it enough that I want to spend a ton of cash. 

So "midrange" is the target.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #1299 on: April 08, 2020, 06:02:40 PM »
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #1300 on: April 08, 2020, 06:12:32 PM »
Does it give enough room to slice bigger things like bacon or brisket?
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #1301 on: April 08, 2020, 06:46:51 PM »
No. You have to break it down prior to slicing. It's only a 7.5 inch blade, which means you really only have 3-3.5 inches to work with. So something thicker than that would be problematic.

But, if you're going to make a sammie, how big do you really need? If you're wanting that kind of capacity, you're looking at $700-$1000. 

For $150, I'd start with this thing and if you really want more, think about it long and hard. Unless you want to open a deli.
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