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betarhoalphadelta

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6524 on: August 21, 2020, 10:45:15 AM »
and said charging outlet is automated w/o human interaction?

wireless charging?
Nah. Oregon still has full-service gas stations. Not sure if NJ too or if they finally gave that up. 

How hard is it to have a plug jockey on hand at the charging station? Car pulls up, he/she runs out and plugs in, car signals when it's fully charged, he/she runs out and disconnects. 

All the rest (payment/etc) can be handled electronically with sensors. All the plug jockey needs to do is plug it in.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6525 on: August 21, 2020, 10:55:14 AM »
and said charging outlet is automated w/o human interaction?

wireless charging?
I think if most cars are EVs and autonomous that this is pretty easily solvable even with cables.  Perhaps parking decks are converted to charging stations, they won't be needed in this version of the future (or not many of them).  Neither would we need subways and freeways necessarily, though they'd persist.

I think this world would significantly change the lives of many of us.

I've ridden in a Cadillac CT6 with Supercruise technology and was fascinated by it.  In some ways it is superior to the Tesla version.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6526 on: August 21, 2020, 01:00:50 PM »
The vast majority of us live in (sub)urban areas, and that is where the vast majority of cars reside.  Farming items like plowing are amenable to autonomous now.

Imagine a slimmed down tractor with no cab and AC and stereo unit in it that plows off GPS signals i a pattern you determine on your computer.  Pretty simple.

Same with fertilizing.

But most cars will be autonomous, I suspect by 2035-2040.

And temporary renting with be the thing (Lyft/Uber).
I wasn't referring to tractors and combines. There are many of us that use trucks for many things for which autonomous vehicles would be impractical. 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6527 on: August 21, 2020, 01:11:17 PM »
There will certainly be uses for human operated vehicles, no doubt.

With cars, it might be like those holdovers today who drive manual transmissions.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6528 on: August 21, 2020, 01:16:41 PM »
There will certainly be uses for human operated vehicles, no doubt.

With cars, it might be like those holdovers today who drive manual transmissions.
Its hard for me to imagine not wanting to drive a car
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6529 on: August 21, 2020, 01:25:25 PM »
Yes, and for some, that will remain the case.  A lot of urban dwellers today have no car now, and others like us have one.  I think the younger folks are a lot less emotional about having a car, or a cool car, it's a tool for them.  Housewives, same thing.  I like to drive, I like to have a clutch, but I admit driving in the city is not much fun, and it's expensive.

So, my scenario in 15 years is that most cars will be autonomous, >50%, and those that are not may be driven "on weekends".

Joe Smith wakes up and makes  coffee and reads the paper quickly and goes outside just as his ordered car arrives, hops in, reads the paper, and exist at his office (presuming he goes to the office).  After work, he reverses the process, perhaps stopping off for milk on the way home.  A chain of autonomous cars flies by on the left 2 lanes of the freeway, or left four lanes, designated for such, bumper to bumper literally, at 80 mph (if we need capacity now).

His wife gets up and gets the kids ready for school.  An autobus arrives and they pile on.  She needs groceries and orders up a car to do that and stops to get her hair and nails done on the way.  On the way home, she visits her 19 year old paramour who is from Italy.  They go at it in the back seat while the autocar drives aimlessly.


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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6530 on: August 21, 2020, 01:35:53 PM »
With cars, it might be like those holdovers today who drive manual transmissions.
Guilty as charged. I hate automatics. 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6531 on: August 21, 2020, 01:53:55 PM »
Guilty as charged. I hate automatics.
I don't hate them.  Today most are quite good, but I prefer to row my own.

There are more EVs sold today than cars with manual transmissions.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6532 on: August 21, 2020, 02:06:15 PM »
I don't hate them.  Today most are quite good, but I prefer to row my own.

There are more EVs sold today than cars with manual transmissions.
I don't know if it's just my driving style, but automatics never seem to do what I want them to do.

And as the mileage goes up, they seem to get increasingly "sloppy" to me. <50K miles, they're fine. As you start getting beyond that, they seem to get loose. Downshifts seem to lag when you step on it. 

Maybe it's just the cars I've driven. The Flex seems to be doing this, just like other autos I've driven in the past and put on significant miles (Honda Odyssey, Toyota Sequoia). The wife's Lexus doesn't have that many miles yet, so we'll see if it does better as it ages. So far it seems pretty solid.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6533 on: August 21, 2020, 02:10:41 PM »
Yes, and for some, that will remain the case.  A lot of urban dwellers today have no car now, and others like us have one.  I think the younger folks are a lot less emotional about having a car, or a cool car, it's a tool for them.  Housewives, same thing.  I like to drive, I like to have a clutch, but I admit driving in the city is not much fun, and it's expensive.

So, my scenario in 15 years is that most cars will be autonomous, >50%, and those that are not may be driven "on weekends".

Joe Smith wakes up and makes  coffee and reads the paper quickly and goes outside just as his ordered car arrives, hops in, reads the paper, and exist at his office (presuming he goes to the office).  After work, he reverses the process, perhaps stopping off for milk on the way home.  A chain of autonomous cars flies by on the left 2 lanes of the freeway, or left four lanes, designated for such, bumper to bumper literally, at 80 mph (if we need capacity now).

His wife gets up and gets the kids ready for school.  An autobus arrives and they pile on.  She needs groceries and orders up a car to do that and stops to get her hair and nails done on the way.  On the way home, she visits her 19 year old paramour who is from Italy.  They go at it in the back seat while the autocar drives aimlessly.


These urban dwellers are mostly in the north east area

Here in Texas you gotta have a car

I really dont think the desire to drive a car will be replaced the ability to order a ride when needed
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6534 on: August 21, 2020, 02:13:22 PM »
80 percent


Roughly 80 percent of Americans live in urban areas, according to the U.S. Census Bureau.Dec 18, 2018



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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6535 on: August 21, 2020, 02:18:02 PM »
These urban dwellers are mostly in the north east area

Here in Texas you gotta have a car

I really dont think the desire to drive a car will be replaced the ability to order a ride when needed
I'm not sure how big the "car-sharing" market will be relative to the self-owned market. I know that's one of the predicted business models, but there are some headwinds. For example, big families. They may want to own a certain car of a certain size if your typical "rideshare" isn't a 7-passenger model. What if they have a dog and want to go to the dog park? Do they have to call for a car that allows a dog? What if they have young kids and need carseats. Do they install a carseat into their self-driving car and remove it where they go, EVERY time they go somewhere? And then those kids spill their Cheerios all over the inside of the car and do they get charged and additional cleaning fee? 

That said, if I had the choice between my Ford Flex and a fully level 5 autonomous Ford Flex, I'd take the autonomous version any day of the week. I may choose to own rather than rideshare, but this is a different consideration than whether I would choose to manually drive the car I own. 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6536 on: August 21, 2020, 02:20:00 PM »
80 percent


Roughly 80 percent of Americans live in urban areas, according to the U.S. Census Bureau.Dec 18, 2018



There's urban and then there's urban. I think most suburban areas are considered part of that "urban" designation that the census bureau made. 

Where I live, Orange County CA, is likely considered "urban". There ain't much in my life that's "walkable". You can't do much without a car, whether it's self-owned or shared. 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6537 on: August 21, 2020, 02:29:02 PM »


The idea is that even in suburbia, ride sharing would replace most privately owned vehicles.


 

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