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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7658 on: August 30, 2020, 08:37:13 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on August 30, 2020, 08:30:31 AM
I'd like to see some analysis of the thousand odd police killings of civilians in the US each year.  How many were white on black?  How many of those were very clearly legal, I mean, no doubt, the victim was shooting at cops, not just failing to comply, but actively shooting.  Then how many were black on black, or black on white.

Is it POSSIBLE that white cops killing black civilians under questionable circumstances is actually rare?  We'd all like that to be zero, magically, but cops make mistakes at times, which are not always racially motivated.  White cops kill white men as well, etc.

I could not find figures on this.

IF we see say 5 or 10 shootings a year which are questionable, would that not be an understandable result?  We'd like it to be zero, but that simply isn't practicable.  You can't get it to zero with any kind of actions by the cities.
It is extremely rare.

will there be any outcry for the two cops shot last night in St Louis, who were responding to a call about gunfire?  Will any sports teams cancel practice?

how about the two cops shot in Chicago last night?  Out there on the street trying to protect all colors- amid the 5 black people fatally shot?
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7659 on: August 30, 2020, 08:38:18 AM »
luckily I skipped the past 24 hours of political posts

Played golf with a couple law enforcement officers yesterday

asked them about the Kenosha shooting..... specifically having a guy on the ground with 2 cops trying to subdue him and put cuffs on

their response was that it's more difficult than it would seem at times

one of these guys was big and muscular, I'd guess he didn't have much trouble bringing most guys down
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7660 on: August 30, 2020, 08:38:29 AM »
Such an analysis could quell some of the furor and misinformation.  I think folks believe cops are murdering black men almost daily.


Get the facts out there.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7661 on: August 30, 2020, 08:40:21 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on August 30, 2020, 08:27:16 AM
Nothing else?  Those were mostly completed in 2010, at least the economy was recovering by then, whatever Obama had done to promote that is fine.  And then?


In 2010 Republicans gained control of the House and we have had our current state of nothing that has gone on for ten years.  Even when Republicans had control of the Congress and presidency we got almost nothing outside of a small tax cut.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7662 on: August 30, 2020, 08:40:59 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on August 30, 2020, 08:38:18 AM
one of these guys was big and muscular, I'd guess he didn't have much trouble bringing most guys down
As noted above, the cops are wearing a lot of gear and weight that hampers their hand to hand skills.  I still think more training might be useful.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7663 on: August 30, 2020, 08:42:14 AM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on August 30, 2020, 08:40:21 AM
In 2010 Republicans gained control of the House and we have had our current state of nothing that has gone on for ten years.  Even when Republicans had control of the Congress and presidency we got almost nothing outside of a small tax cut.
Did Obama even try?  Other Presidents managed to get stuff done legislatively with Congress being on the other side and hostile.

What did Obama try to get done?  Anything?  Seems like a paucity of real stuff to view him as anything but a failure.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7664 on: August 30, 2020, 08:43:38 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on August 30, 2020, 08:38:29 AM
Such an analysis could quell some of the furor and misinformation.  I think folks believe cops are murdering black men almost daily.


Get the facts out there.
I'm not sure it would quell much, but many young people have this misconception
I'm guessing most young black people believe this
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7665 on: August 30, 2020, 08:44:53 AM »
I think it could have significant impact, if widely reported as an analysis.  You mean all this rioting is really about maybe 5 dubious racially motivated killings a year?

Oh, never mind.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7666 on: August 30, 2020, 08:46:18 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on August 30, 2020, 08:40:59 AM
As noted above, the cops are wearing a lot of gear and weight that hampers their hand to hand skills.  I still think more training might be useful.


agreed, I also think other "tools" other than stun guns might help

I'm guessing billy clubs/night sticks leave ugly marks and were heavily criticized 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7667 on: August 30, 2020, 08:47:32 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on August 30, 2020, 08:42:14 AM
Did Obama even try?  Other Presidents managed to get stuff done legislatively with Congress being on the other side and hostile.

What did Obama try to get done?  Anything?  Seems like a paucity of real stuff to view him as anything but a failure.
Yes.  Very clearly he wanted gun control and immigration reform.  The GOP ran on the message that they wanted to block everything he wanted, which is more or less what they did.  They even blocked a lot of routine appointments, because that was their goal.  That's why most of Obama later year's were marked in governing through executive actions and orders as opposed to legislation.  DACA is an obvious example.


https://www.politico.com/story/2010/10/the-gops-no-compromise-pledge-044311

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7668 on: August 30, 2020, 08:49:02 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on August 30, 2020, 08:38:29 AM
Such an analysis could quell some of the furor and misinformation.  I think folks believe cops are murdering black men almost daily.


Get the facts out there.
This would be great.  A national law that regulates data gathering on police actions would be a tremendous boon to studying it.  It's not something that is easy to gather right now.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7669 on: August 30, 2020, 08:51:27 AM »
Did Obama propose any legislation on gun control?  Immigration reform?  Or did he just talk generalities?
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7670 on: August 30, 2020, 08:55:33 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on August 30, 2020, 08:51:27 AM
Did Obama propose any legislation on gun control?  Immigration reform?  Or did he just talk generalities?
The president's abilities to propose legilsation is limited - there was an immigration bill but it never went anywhere


https://nbclatino.com/2013/04/16/senate-immigration-bill-revealed-a-path-to-citizenship-shift-to-employment-based-visas/
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #7671 on: August 30, 2020, 09:00:28 AM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on August 30, 2020, 08:47:32 AM
Yes.  Very clearly he wanted gun control and immigration reform.  The GOP ran on the message that they wanted to block everything he wanted, which is more or less what they did.  They even blocked a lot of routine appointments, because that was their goal.  That's why most of Obama later year's were marked in governing through executive actions and orders as opposed to legislation.  DACA is an obvious example.


https://www.politico.com/story/2010/10/the-gops-no-compromise-pledge-044311


most of them didnt even attend the inauguration

there was a lot of talk of impeachment even before he was sworn in 

no other President in history other than maybe Lincoln has faced so much opposition
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