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Title: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 17, 2019, 06:01:48 PM
So... Just needed a place to gripe and figured you guys are sympathetic ears for this sort of thing...

Out here in SoCal, two of my fraternity brothers were living just down the road in the San Diego area for the last 4-5 years. One is a fellow left-handed Polish electrical engineer whose birthday is 1 day prior to mine, and the other was actually my roommate for a year in the fraternity. Obviously we've been through a lot over the years. Weddings, divorces, next weddings, and everything in between.

Over the past few years, when I met my wonderful wife, my one friend's wife [who hated my ex] took an immediate liking to my new bride. Right about the time I met her, my other friend met the woman who he married a few months ago. The six of us quickly all became really good friends.

My former roommate ended up moving back to Indianapolis with his wife in November. He found that oddly the job market for what he did and his wife did was actually better in Indiana than SoCal, to the extent that he was able to make more money and move to a place with MUCH lower living expenses.

My fellow EE friend just got a job with a former employer in Charlotte. Can't blame him, as it was a promotion and a SERIOUS raise, and again dropped his living expenses like a rock. So early next month, he and his wife are out of here and moving cross-country.

I'm happy for them, but it leaves me feeling a little bit deserted. After a certain age, making friends is just a completely different proposition...
Title: Re: 2019 Off Topic Thread of Threads
Post by: FearlessF on January 17, 2019, 06:08:17 PM
well, ya got buddies here

hopefully your wife is very social and finds good friends to spend time with 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Consciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 17, 2019, 07:44:59 PM
Friends. Hmm. I've had to shed a few over the past year. I always say that I have too many good ones to have bad ones. It's still hard though.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Consciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 17, 2019, 07:46:15 PM
So... Just needed a place to gripe and figured you guys are sympathetic ears for this sort of thing....
Ya think?
Ya Knucklehead.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 18, 2019, 09:32:12 AM
So, anyone have any vacations planned for this year? We've got a few coming up. Have some weekend visits to Florida in February and March set up, just to get the heck out of here and warm up.


Then, in April, it's back to Europe for an 8 day cruise from Civitavecchia to Venice, followed by 9 days in Milan, Florence and Rome.


November takes us back to Florida for a week.


That's all so far. I'm sure we'll have a couple of jaunts on The Lake, but nothing major.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Riffraft on January 18, 2019, 09:53:56 AM
So, anyone have any vacations planned for this year? We've got a few coming up. Have some weekend visits to Florida in February and March set up, just to get the heck out of here and warm up.


Then, in April, it's back to Europe for an 8 day cruise from Civitavecchia to Venice, followed by 9 days in Milan, Florence and Rome.


November takes us back to Florida for a week.


That's all so far. I'm sure we'll have a couple of jaunts on The Lake, but nothing major.
Taking a cruise in March to the West Caribbean. Going back to Ohio in September for one of my sons' weddings (I guess that is a vacation). Past that I am sure I will take a few long weekend trips through the year.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on January 18, 2019, 10:28:00 AM
I can relate to that bwar. From my pre-Bloomington years, I have a cluster of friendships that Vegas would give long odds to end before death, including one from kindergarten through the end of college. But at IU, with rare exceptions, I never really added any that didn't belong to my wife. She's since moved to Buffalo because she got her dream professorship, and I still hang out with them, even threw a party recently and will do it again soon. But whereas that's all quite nice and we're authentic around each other, there are rarely any shenanigans. We just sit or stand, drink or don't, and talk - current events or science/philosophy. Pleasant, even fascinating, but not brotherhood. It's not close to the same. 

I guess that means all I can recommend is stay close to your wife (which I think you are), keep a pet (which I think you do), and find as much pleasure as you can in your moments alone. Not because you should pack up and enter your life's cat lady zone, but because while it's safe to bet more friends - even great ones - can/will enter your space, that's not necessarily in your control. And if you believe in the principle that happiness is always a choice, but not always easily made, these other things will help you choose it more easily no matter the friends that move away or how slow you meet the next ones.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on January 18, 2019, 10:30:40 AM
So, anyone have any vacations planned for this year? We've got a few coming up. Have some weekend visits to Florida in February and March set up, just to get the heck out of here and warm up.


Then, in April, it's back to Europe for an 8 day cruise from Civitavecchia to Venice, followed by 9 days in Milan, Florence and Rome.


November takes us back to Florida for a week.


That's all so far. I'm sure we'll have a couple of jaunts on The Lake, but nothing major.
Nothing elaborate, but some more hiking trips in the continental US. A couple weeks in the Smoky Mountains in May. A long weekend in the Adirondacks around July 4. And then there are a lot of almost biweekly trips to or from Buffalo (or meeting in between at a cottage in Michigan) to see my wife. All plain but nice.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on January 18, 2019, 10:36:04 AM
So... Just needed a place to gripe and figured you guys are sympathetic ears for this sort of thing...

Out here in SoCal, two of my fraternity brothers were living just down the road in the San Diego area for the last 4-5 years. One is a fellow left-handed Polish electrical engineer whose birthday is 1 day prior to mine, and the other was actually my roommate for a year in the fraternity. Obviously we've been through a lot over the years. Weddings, divorces, next weddings, and everything in between.

Over the past few years, when I met my wonderful wife, my one friend's wife [who hated my ex] took an immediate liking to my new bride. Right about the time I met her, my other friend met the woman who he married a few months ago. The six of us quickly all became really good friends.

My former roommate ended up moving back to Indianapolis with his wife in November. He found that oddly the job market for what he did and his wife did was actually better in Indiana than SoCal, to the extent that he was able to make more money and move to a place with MUCH lower living expenses.

My fellow EE friend just got a job with a former employer in Charlotte. Can't blame him, as it was a promotion and a SERIOUS raise, and again dropped his living expenses like a rock. So early next month, he and his wife are out of here and moving cross-country.

I'm happy for them, but it leaves me feeling a little bit deserted. After a certain age, making friends is just a completely different proposition...
Kids make it even harder.  Then you can pretty much only have other friends that have kids...of a similar age, for at least a little while.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 18, 2019, 10:41:39 AM
So, anyone have any vacations planned for this year? We've got a few coming up. Have some weekend visits to Florida in February and March set up, just to get the heck out of here and warm up.
I going to try to get back to Texas in February to see my brother and play more golf.  Probably just to the D/FW area.
This summer I'd like to take my daughters to the San Fran Bay area for a week.  That might be difficult with my work schedule and meshing their schedules.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 18, 2019, 10:43:17 AM
Kids make it even harder.  Then you can pretty much only have other friends that have kids...of a similar age, for at least a little while.
Interesting. We never let that stand in the way of our friends. Sure, you make accommodations for certain things, but by and large kids never dictated who we hung out with.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on January 18, 2019, 10:45:42 AM
Interesting. We never let that stand in the way of our friends. Sure, you make accommodations for certain things, but by and large kids never dictated who we hung out with.
Who?  No.  But if everyone is going somewhere for dinner and drinks at 8:00 and you have a 4 year old and a 2 year old you either have to find a babysitter, which isn't always available, and usually isn't cheap, or sit it out.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 18, 2019, 10:46:33 AM
So... Just needed a place to gripe and figured you guys are sympathetic ears for this sort of thing...


I'm happy for them, but it leaves me feeling a little bit deserted. After a certain age, making friends is just a completely different proposition...
from what I've read about your cooking/smoking and brewing it will be very easy to find new friends.  Simply find someone that you feel might be worthy of your friendship and then invite them over for some goo food and drink.  I'd guess you are a very generous and gracious host.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 18, 2019, 10:47:23 AM
Who?  No.  But if everyone is going somewhere for dinner and drinks at 8:00 and you have a 4 year old and a 2 year old you either have to find a babysitter, which isn't always available, and usually isn't cheap, or sit it out.
this is the reason you stay close to the in-laws
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on January 18, 2019, 10:48:53 AM
this is the reason you stay close to the in-laws
We have one set close, but they usually go out themselves on Saturday nights.  We have 3 babysitters lined up, but I'd say it 50/50 on whether any one of them is available.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 18, 2019, 10:54:34 AM
Well, we mostly always cooked at home and had guests, or we were at the harbor. I guess our lifestyle made it easier in that regard. That, and every-other-weekend the kids were not with us...
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 18, 2019, 10:59:58 AM
We have one set close, but they usually go out themselves on Saturday nights.  We have 3 babysitters lined up, but I'd say it 50/50 on whether any one of them is available.
We never really relied on parents (mine) to watch the kids. Hers are not anywhere near where we live. Anyway, they raised their own already and it was their time. Of course, they would do it if asked, and do it happily. I just chose to not go there often.

Interestingly enough, the youngest son is getting married this summer (SUMMER DAMMIT!!!). Aside from the fat check I had to write, I'm happy for him and I like his choice (other than her parents have no money). Anyway, the fiancé already had a conversation with Mrs. 847 about having kids and babysitting and all that. Mrs. 847 subscribes to my philosophy on this. We are not babysitters. This is our time now. Sorry.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 18, 2019, 11:29:29 AM
My father didn't want to be a babysitter, but when is friend, Grandma Sherry was around she loved spending time with my daughters.  So that happened often.

My mother-in-law also cherished time with the girls and was eager to take them anytime she wasn't busy.

We didn't put a burden on either of them.  Always their choice.  I'd happily pay a babysitter or simply stay home.

now paying a babysitter and then have her steal me blind was not enjoyable.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 18, 2019, 12:06:49 PM
Kids make it even harder.  Then you can pretty much only have other friends that have kids...of a similar age, for at least a little while.

Well, we mostly always cooked at home and had guests, or we were at the harbor. I guess our lifestyle made it easier in that regard. That, and every-other-weekend the kids were not with us...
Yep. That's one of the advantages of divorce. The most famous of which is never having to live with that awful woman again. But only slightly well-known is this: you actually have the freedom of a non-parent roughly half the time. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 18, 2019, 12:10:22 PM
2/14 of the time was more like it, for us. Dood was/is a total asshole.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 18, 2019, 12:13:14 PM
So, anyone have any vacations planned for this year? We've got a few coming up. Have some weekend visits to Florida in February and March set up, just to get the heck out of here and warm up.
I think this year we're having "little" getaways since we hit Europe last year, with our next international vacation planned for 2020. 
But there's already a lot of little ones. We spent New Year's in Paso Robles. Doing Santa Barbara & Cambria this weekend over the holiday. Back to Paso Robles in March, followed by a trip to AZ for a wedding. The beginning of May is the Southern California Homebrew Festival, so that's more of a little local "RV camping" trip. June we'll be going to Vegas to see Jerry Seinfeld live. September we're going to go to Chicago/West Laf/Indianapolis to show my bride where I grew up [and see a Cubs game], where I went to school [and see the TCU@Purdue game], and see our friends that just moved to Indy. And then we already know we'll be taking the kids up to Oregon for a week around Thanksgiving.
And I'm sure we'll fill in various little trips here and there. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 18, 2019, 12:25:35 PM
We just returned from Cabo, which is a pretty nice place to visit in January. Rented a 5BR house with 4 other couples. The weather was perfect. Of course, I got the flu half way through the vacation, so that was a major suck. I'm just now finally getting past it.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 18, 2019, 12:43:52 PM
get a flu shot

ya damn near died in Lincoln one weekend a decade ago
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 18, 2019, 12:58:25 PM
I did get the shot. I drank my way through that weekend. Can't do that anymore...
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Kris60 on January 18, 2019, 01:00:23 PM
I don’t know how people with kids manage without having family close by.  I mean, I’m sure you do but we have always had family close to help us with our kids and I can’t imagine not having that.  My kids never went to daycare or spent an evening with a babysitter that wasn’t a blood relative.

There might be an argument whether that is good or bad but it always put my mind at ease knowing who was taking care of them.  But we also paid the family members for watching them so we never felt like we were taking advantage of them.  It was a win-win.  We had the peace of mind of knowing someone was watching our kids who genuinely loved them but they were also getting extra income that helped them.



Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on January 18, 2019, 01:06:58 PM
It definitely forces you to take inventory of your time.  Babysitter for two kids is about $15 an hour, and we always round up.  We havent seen a movie together in a theater in six years.  They've never made a movie that's worth a near $100 date night.

We save it for new restaurants we want to try, or going over to friends or a show or ocassionally a baseball game.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Kris60 on January 18, 2019, 01:44:21 PM
As for friends, I’m in a weird spot.  I have many close friends that I converse with regularly by text or phone but I hardly ever see them or get an opportunity to hang out with them.  Some of it is because of geography and some of it is family dynamics.

One of my best friends lives just fifteen minutes away in the next town over but our kids aren’t involved in the same activities.  If I’m at a softball tournament he’s at a soccer tournament.  If I’m at a basketball game he’s at a cheerleading competition.  

The other part of it is our wives.  Sometimes my wife is cool with me hanging out with a buddy watching a game or playing golf and other times she isn’t.  It’s the same with my friends’ wives.  

So, in a way I have a lot of friends but sometimes it feels like I don’t have any.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 18, 2019, 01:44:41 PM
Our issue is that we only have the kids 5/14 days (5 nights every two weeks), and we generally try to make good use of our time with them, so in the last 2 1/2 years we've used in-home babysitters probably less than 5 times. As a result, we have no reliable babysitter on call. 

Luckily there is a drop-in daycare that we can use if we need someone for a few hours. That's come in handy in some cases where we wanted to do an activity that was only appropriate for one kid, and needed someone to watch the other two. But they're not open Sundays, so that makes it a little bit more limiting. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 18, 2019, 01:46:01 PM
I don’t know how people with kids manage without having family close by.  I mean, I’m sure you do but we have always had family close to help us with our kids and I can’t imagine not having that.  My kids never went to daycare or spent an evening with a babysitter that wasn’t a blood relative.

There might be an argument whether that is good or bad but it always put my mind at ease knowing who was taking care of them.  But we also paid the family members for watching them so we never felt like we were taking advantage of them.  It was a win-win.  We had the peace of mind of knowing someone was watching our kids who genuinely loved them but they were also getting extra income that helped them.




dude, that is GOLD
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on January 18, 2019, 02:17:14 PM
Ordinarily you are closest to the people you face challenges with. It's one reason we often have great childhood friends that we never see--because we endured teen angst together. The bestest of my best friends do not live nearby, so I truly value the opportunities to see them. But I have new friends I've met through my community here, who I also treasure. But those relationships take time, and--at least for me--aren't as deep as with my teen, college, and Army buddies.

And as noted above, it helps that SFIrish is a true friend. We've always enjoy hanging out together (we're spouses, so we still argue over who cleans the bathroom and why the kids haven't done their chores, but you know, life).
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on January 18, 2019, 02:24:14 PM
We're getting ready to move, and the house is nearing completion (likely May/June), but we're going to go out to Maine this summer.   My oldest really wants to do it, and I'm down with it.  Will likely parlay it with a game at Fenway, same as I did 23 years ago when I went to Maine the last time as a young adult

Gotta have a few sitters in the rotation.   The biggest key though was getting a verbal commitment for a summertime nanny at the end of last year.  That's such a relief, not to be scrambling.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 18, 2019, 02:33:23 PM
Lobster rolls.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on January 18, 2019, 03:01:29 PM
Interestingly enough, the youngest son is getting married this summer (SUMMER DAMMIT!!!)Hey at least it wasn't football season

. Aside from the fat check I had to write, I'm happy for him and I like his choice (other than her parents have no money). Anyway, the fiancé already had a conversation with Mrs. 847 about having kids and babysitting and all that. Mrs. 847 subscribes to my philosophy on this. We are not babysitters. This is our time now. Sorry.Hope that isn't a harbinger of things to come.Suggesting directives isn't getting off on the right foot.But I'm sure you were tactful & kind in your smiting

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on January 18, 2019, 03:10:17 PM
ya damn near died in Lincoln one weekend a decade ago
Were you using 847 as a Shark Water Guinea Pig?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 18, 2019, 03:44:40 PM
Were you using 847 as a Shark Water Guinea Pig?
maybe
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 18, 2019, 06:22:29 PM
I'm proud to say I've never fallen victim to even a sip of that stuff. I know better than to mix Tito's with anything but ice and lemon twist.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 18, 2019, 06:30:24 PM
many Badger fans aren't nearly as cautious 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 18, 2019, 07:49:26 PM
Heh.



Mrs. 847 says hi.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 18, 2019, 08:35:58 PM
hah, and she had to drive home with a load of beef and a sleeping Badger!
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on January 18, 2019, 10:10:49 PM
We're going to go out to Maine this summer.
Awesome! I'm really itching to get out to Acadia and Katahdin.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 19, 2019, 10:16:07 AM
cold snap here in Iowa, didn't get the 5-8 inches predicted, but the thermometer says 0 this morning

trip to the bar this morning for schooners and Charlie Boys with the fellas

college basketball watching in a warm place is the planned activity

nothing planned for food past the Charlie Boys

resting up for the NFL tomorrow
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on January 19, 2019, 01:38:42 PM
<br />(https://i.ibb.co/Wp3jn01/Screenshot-20190119-105723.png) (https://ibb.co/Wp3jn01)<br />Not good
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 19, 2019, 02:01:39 PM
<br />(https://i.ibb.co/Wp3jn01/Screenshot-20190119-105723.png) (https://ibb.co/Wp3jn01)<br />Not good
We already got our 10", with more Lake Effect to come later.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on January 19, 2019, 02:15:15 PM
I'll trade 10 inches for this stuff any day.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on January 19, 2019, 02:23:59 PM
I'll trade 10 inches for this stuff any day.
I'd trade many summer days for 10".
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 19, 2019, 02:42:09 PM
10" of what?


:57:
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on January 19, 2019, 03:41:35 PM
Yeah, I'm off Monday, with nothing going on all weekend other thatn this morning so I was down for a big snowstorm, with a couple days to deal with it.  I stead we get a full day of rain, followed by an inch or two overnight.  Blah.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 19, 2019, 04:17:06 PM
sunshine and golf on the TV

schooners were frosty
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on January 19, 2019, 04:20:19 PM
Just made queso dip for the first time.  I picked up some Frito scoops and was inspired on this slippery date.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 19, 2019, 05:29:35 PM
I'm at UCSB (where the missus went to school) today. 70 and sunny here :)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on January 19, 2019, 05:35:44 PM
I'm at UCSB (where the missus went to school) today. 70 and sunny here :)
Good town 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 19, 2019, 05:42:04 PM
I'm at UCSB (where the missus went to school) today. 70 and sunny here :)
Hate you. Hate hate hate.
Dammit.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 19, 2019, 06:04:23 PM
I'd be at the Sandpiper playing
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 19, 2019, 07:20:26 PM
I'd be out catching some fish to make sashimi. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CatsbyAZ on January 19, 2019, 09:11:23 PM
Talk about no football. Just walked into my friendly neighborhood sports bar and on the big screens are college hockey (St. Cloud St Vs Western Michigan), the Tennis Channel (women’s Australian Open from Melbourne), and the UFC Prelims from Brooklyn. Gonna be a long offseason.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 19, 2019, 09:52:02 PM
college hoops????
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 19, 2019, 10:39:26 PM
Gopher game is a good one
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 19, 2019, 11:17:27 PM
Hate you. Hate hate hate.
Dammit.
We got ice cream from a local joint for dessert.  Ate it outside. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 19, 2019, 11:40:25 PM
'Dammit, Jim,
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 20, 2019, 12:58:41 PM
Ram's fan and a couple other beer drinking buddies coming over today to watch football and eat smoked brisket chili

I'm ready for a Bloody Mary and a Budweiser beer back, it's nearly noon!

I'll try to post some pics in the tailgate thread
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on January 20, 2019, 01:24:49 PM
We had to get I'm guessin' at least 14" the snow was over the the Toro's deck.Which took me at least 1/2 hr to get started.Just have to prime/choke more at 17 degrees.Neighbor made some passes too but there was so much I had to make a bunch of half passes as the stuff was rolling over the top and the sides
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 20, 2019, 01:28:11 PM
I love ya Nubbz, but better you than me
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on January 20, 2019, 01:45:18 PM
Doesn't bother me throw another witch on the fire.I've got a 1979 Toro that a mechanic friend rebuilt a while back when a friend of his moved to Vegas left him a 1yr old Troy-Built bigger than this one so i got a good deal.The gauge steel is much thicker and cuts thru the Ice/snow that the Great Lakes dumps on us.I'm enjoying a Yuengling now - and some stir fry
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 20, 2019, 01:52:36 PM
1979 Toro is a classic!!!

we were predicted for 5-8 inches, but got less than 2 inches of fluffy stuff.  my xmas present, leaf blower took care of the driveway

I've got the 1 year old Troy-built in the garage if/when needed

sold the early 90's Ariens 8hp that was my Father's a couple seasons ago.  Probably should have had it rebuilt.  It was a beast!
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on January 20, 2019, 02:06:27 PM
An Ariens - hell ya I bought a 17yr old Ariens lawn mower for a song.My neighbor had a series of surgeries so he has a landscaper come in.When I needed the drive bands replaced on my Toro that guys sells just Ariens mowers.Says they really don't make them that way anymore and he's right.My mower and blower together are as old as me - but they make less noise and smell & operate better than I
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 20, 2019, 03:06:50 PM
yer older than a 79 model aren't ya?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 20, 2019, 03:08:09 PM
Nebraska is 15th in a Wall Street Journal tabulation of most valuable college football programs.

https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/Texas-Ohio-State-Alabama-Michigan-college-football-most-valuable-programs-128030289/ (https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/Texas-Ohio-State-Alabama-Michigan-college-football-most-valuable-programs-128030289/)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on January 20, 2019, 03:28:00 PM
yer older than a 79 model aren't ya?
Oh hellz ya I'm older than the 69 model - my math was off.I remember watching Woody & the boys taking down John Mckay & the Trojan War Machine on Jan.1,1969
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on January 20, 2019, 03:30:54 PM
Nebraska is 15th in a Wall Street Journal tabulation of most valuable college football programs.
They only came to that conclusion after getting pumped full of some Titos concoction at a tailgate in Lincoln
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 20, 2019, 03:33:12 PM
Straight out of Julia's book, I've got some beef bourguignon going on in the oven right now.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Kris60 on January 20, 2019, 03:39:55 PM
Only got about 3 inches here but the roads are icy and it’s a cold blustery today.  Turned on the fireplace and got under a blanket and plan on watching both the championship games today.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 20, 2019, 03:43:18 PM
Oh hellz ya I'm older than the 69 model - my math was off.I remember watching Woody & the boys taking down John Mckay & the Trojan War Machine on Jan.1,1969
me too, was a good day!!
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 20, 2019, 03:47:37 PM
Nebraska is 15th in a Wall Street Journal tabulation of most valuable college football programs.

https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/Texas-Ohio-State-Alabama-Michigan-college-football-most-valuable-programs-128030289/ (https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/Texas-Ohio-State-Alabama-Michigan-college-football-most-valuable-programs-128030289/)
Could some of us pool our money together and buy FSU's athletic dept?  I'll check the couch cushions and what-not.  Let's buy it and shut it down.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 20, 2019, 04:19:22 PM
I'd rather buy Baylor and shut that cult down.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 20, 2019, 04:50:25 PM
I'm in for either or both
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 20, 2019, 07:40:21 PM
Couldn't get in at Hearst Castle today. Bought tickets for first thing in the morning.

Instead we ended up with a great lunch 100 ft from the ocean, followed by three wineries in Cambria, and now at a brewery.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 20, 2019, 10:34:21 PM
I toured the Hearst Castle in 1976 as a 14 year-old

very impressive
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on January 20, 2019, 11:42:47 PM
Anybody else watching the moon hide behind the earth tonight? Pretty cool, red glow circle halo. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on January 22, 2019, 03:45:44 PM
<br />(https://i.ibb.co/ww4XjbQ/023.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ww4XjbQ)<br /><br />(https://i.ibb.co/WP7nmNp/026.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WP7nmNp)<br />A little hike yesterday. It was in the 50s with some windchill up on the hill...
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 23, 2019, 10:17:12 AM
I'm just back from Braves Baseball Fantasy Camp, which is really really fun (and taxing and tiring).  This was an especially fun camp for me (my fourth).  I won the closet to the pin contest on a par 3.  I won MVP for my team for one day.  I won "over 50 MVP" for the entire camp.

Our team was undefeated and won the championship, so we got these unbelievably gaudy rings and a "champagne" shower on the field.

Our coaches were Steve Avery and Matt Diaz.  Special guests were Leo Mazzone and Andruw Jones.  Jones is a pretty cool dude.

Despite all the running I did in preparation, I still was hobbled on my legs.  I did manage to hit pretty well and pitched two innings in one game.  My shoulder feels like loose bolts in it though, I can barely throw any more.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on January 23, 2019, 10:50:05 AM
Glad you enjoyed the Camp Mr Hobbs
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 27, 2019, 07:06:24 PM
Brrr.


Looking at a high of -12 on Wednesday here in ChiArtic, with an overnight low of -19.


Both would break records. Man, I gotta move. This sucks.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on January 27, 2019, 07:18:21 PM
Brrr.


Looking at a high of -12 on Wednesday here in ChiArtic, with an overnight low of -19.


Both would break records. Man, I gotta move. This sucks.
Come south young man, it’ll make you soft
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on January 27, 2019, 07:53:24 PM
got a call tonight that the pipes in my chalet in the UP not only froze but ruptured... this is the only weekend it hasn't been rented this season.  with nobody there to flush a toilet, wash their hands, or take a shower (run the water) it was just a literal matter of time.  

so... plumber will be in there tomorrow.  i don't know what this is going to cost me, but if i were a plumber and had to go under a chalet in sub zero temperatures i'd make it worth my while.  

the guy who looks out for me up there informed me there is a vent in the crawl space that actually keeps it toasty in cold like they;re having, but the pipe and drain in question is in an exterior wall where it is exposed to that wicked cold stuff outside... mr. highly paid plumber is going to abandon those pipes and come out of the ground through the floor to the sink and pooper drain and feed instead of through the wall.  

I'm gonna turn a bottle up before CoB tomorrow to be more inclined not to yell when he calls with the bill.... 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 27, 2019, 08:30:25 PM
the guy that looks out for you up there should have turned a trickle on that pipe 

this happened at my father's house, snow covered the furnace vent and caused the furnace to not run, flooded the basement

luckily, insurance covered it
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 27, 2019, 09:07:35 PM
Come south young man, it’ll make you soft
South where bro? Where are you these days?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 27, 2019, 09:08:04 PM
the guy that looks out for you up there should have turned a trickle on that pipe

this happened at my father's house, snow covered the furnace vent and caused the furnace to not run, flooded the basement

luckily, insurance covered it
No brainer.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 27, 2019, 09:10:12 PM
Oh, and it gets better. Starting tonight, we're getting 8-10" on top of the 15 we have on the ground. Need some warming. Even the heated patio has snow cover on it. That is not supposed to happen.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 27, 2019, 09:30:17 PM
I should go back to Texas this week

I think I'll wait until the middle of February 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on January 27, 2019, 09:36:52 PM
he was actually headed out there to turn a trickle on- said he thought the cleaning crew would have but he was going to go check... it could have been worse- the folks coming in on wed could have discovered it instead. 

me being a tinkerer, i've already designed a counter to this on paper.  it consists of a normally closed 9vdc solenoid valve, and a timer with a 30 second window of charge.  I'll dial it to thirty seconds every x hours, perhaps one hour when it's cold and six or so in the warm months.  I've figured it to mount under a toilets lid and intercepting the water supply- T'ing the toilets tower and the device.  

placing it in a toilet keeps water flowing between both the intake and the drains- keeping them from freezing in the winter and keeping them from holding stagnant water in the warm months.  

damn, I'm smart.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 27, 2019, 10:52:08 PM
Brrr.


Looking at a high of -12 on Wednesday here in ChiArtic, with an overnight low of -19.


Both would break records. Man, I gotta move. This sucks.
Got to almost 80 here today. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on January 27, 2019, 10:59:28 PM
Ha, now that's salt in Badge's wounds. I really do enjoy the most bitterly cold weather (actually have eyes on Greenland and Antarctica, but will probably take more than a decade until I knock both out, and that doesn't count my hunger to crampon my way up some icy summits in the next 2 years). But I still have the gift of age and health. Both are fleeting, so I need to say "for now." Lose even one of those, and hyper-cold days won't be OK for me, either. I'll be in the southwest like my parents this time of year (hopping between San Diego, Havasu and Vegas).
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 28, 2019, 08:19:35 AM
Yeah, I hate him.


Lots of things are closed here.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 28, 2019, 08:52:09 AM
It's chilly here this morning (32°F) but brilliantly sunny.  Our kitchen demo is slated to start today, hopefully.

The wife is managing this but the contractor has been a little lacking in clear communications from what I can discern.

For us, the milder winters are a HUGE plus here versus Cincy while the longer summers were not a problem for us last year at all.  It gets just as hot in Cincy and probably more humid, but it doesn't last as long.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 28, 2019, 12:21:54 PM
temp is scheduled to drop from a high of 10 today until Wednesday morning when it bottoms out at negative 20

oh, and the wind is blowing up to 30 mph

I'm moving to Texas - next door to Utee
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 28, 2019, 01:40:55 PM
Yeah, I hate him.


Lots of things are closed here.
:49:
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 28, 2019, 02:00:30 PM
The workers have arrived to redo the kitchen.  Surprisingly, the two guys are from South Africa.

I have not looked into the kitchen, it's shrouded with plastic, but they are making some serious noise, tearing out cabinets and counter top (which is a rather nice granite but the wife didn't like it).  

We're also having stone put on one of our decks, the middle floor deck, which should be nice.  It's raw concrete right now.



Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 28, 2019, 02:01:47 PM
sounds VERY expensive

like new car expensive
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 28, 2019, 02:04:47 PM
A new kitchen is new car expensive.  This is a relatively small kitchen as well.  She wanted a new stove, one of the inductive type, and that ran over $3K, and the vent fan is fancy and is $900 or so.  Cabinets and quartz and labor will run over $25 K.

I thought the old kitchen was fine.  I'm blessed at being able to manage all this while having an exotic French wife.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on January 28, 2019, 02:19:49 PM
i feel your pain, @Cincydawg (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=870) .. the guys doing the construction/re-construction started in again about an hour ago... this is all from the hurricane damage early last fall.  the wife is taking the opportunity to uprgade things.. for instance, they're working over the master bath right now.  I ordered a 'redi-tile' shower pan/base that ran me in excess of $900... a freakin shower insert from lowe's or homedepot would take a fraction of the effort as it's sans ceramic tile and done once you mortar the base and tack it to the studs.... as you may guess i'm function over form by a wide margin... 

this is a sore spot, this next bit:

the insurance works like this: adjuster arrives and takes notes- then they issue a check, which is refused when compared to contractor bids, which means the adjuster comes back out- and then issues a check in the neighborhood of what's required.... then... you 'get' the check, and send it to the mortgage company who sits on it long enough for it to expire, so you gotta go back to the insurance company and get another and send it to the mortgage company... they then sit on it until you present receipts for work done, and if you're lucky it'll only take a week or so... if not, you'll have a pissed off contractor who may or may not do any more work for you as he has (due to the storm) literally a hundred people lined up for work.  better to have cash in hand and bill the mortgage company after the fact, which is the only way to ensure repairs happen in a timely manner- and by timely manner i mean within a year of when it happened.  

it's killing me.  

and, i've GOT to use a contractor even though i can do as good a job as they can myself.  seriously. but i don't have time to do so.  every day (and rainstorm) expounds on the damages already done, which means you've got to go BACK to the insurance company and it all starts over again.  furthermore, they won't 'pay' me for the work... let's say there is $10k worth of damages as bid by a contractor and supported by the insurer.. let's estimate $3k of that is material and $7k labor.  If I do the work, they will only pay for the receipts and will keep the other $7k- it WILL NOT be taken off my note.  SO- where is the incentive to do it myself? ..... it ain't there, that's where.  

i've still been doing a lot myself, though.  it's either that or live in squalor, which i can't bring myself to do.  but that's okay- the 'insurance' is going to pay me back whether they know it or not.  i've got a deal worked out with the contractor that's perfectly legal, as reviewed by my wife (an attorney).   
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 28, 2019, 02:29:30 PM
Yeah, we did 4 remodels in our old place, plus odds and ends. It's a pain in the ass. Master bath, powder room, fireplace and kitchen. All of these affect the quality of life - especially the master and kitchen. Those were painful.


$25K for a kitchen, with appliances, is a deal. Don't complain about that one CDawg. You're getting off good.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 28, 2019, 02:37:54 PM
I might remodel my kitchen in the next 3 - 5 years or 10 if I don't sell and move south next to Utee.

$25K seems like a bargain w/o appliances, and my kitchen is small
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 28, 2019, 02:41:09 PM
Look into the cabinets. That's where the big money is. You don't need Omega or the like. Something like J&K is really good, and about 1/3 the price.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 28, 2019, 03:03:41 PM
something from Menards or Lowes

I'm looking forward to the granite slab countertops, I'll splurge on those
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 28, 2019, 03:18:28 PM
We live in a condo, it's a fairly small kitchen.  There is a breakfast nook included that has cabinets.  The kitchen is open on three sides, counting the nook, and has a pass through to the dining area.

We already bought a fridge and are keeping the dishwasher.  I don't know the brand of cabinetry, but the nice lady said they were "middle-upper" in quality and price, not like Woodmode.

They are still pounding away.  They have to be out of the building by 4:30.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 28, 2019, 03:22:45 PM
I recommend quartz. I've got granite now, in the rental, but I miss my old stuff. Very nice stuff. Could put a red-hot cast iron skillet on that stuff with no worries. Granite not so much, and it also requires a lot of upkeep.


The stuff we had was black and looked like slate.


From our Zillow pictures:


(https://photos.zillowstatic.com/p_f/IS2jfr64aqzdr71000000000.jpg)
(https://photos.zillowstatic.com/p_f/ISaph3paey7br71000000000.jpg)
Master (same stuff, only in white)

(https://photos.zillowstatic.com/p_f/ISy7o38uqmw2r71000000000.jpg)
(https://photos.zillowstatic.com/p_f/ISivjf7hi6g8r71000000000.jpg)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 28, 2019, 03:24:18 PM
For the life of me, I can't understand why cabinets are so $*#&ing expensive. It's wood and hinges. The material isn't expensive. I don't think every cabinet is hand-crafted by artisans. It seems that the price is WAY out of line with the production cost.

Same thing with lamps. Why are lamps expensive? I'm an electrical engineer, and I know what goes into a lamp. A socket, a length of wire, and a switch. The other materials and processes used in building lamps aren't expensive either. Yet lamps are expensive. 

The company I work for builds some of the most technologically intricate and advanced devices in the world, capable of storing terabytes of data on microscopic little bits of magnetic material. It involves hundreds of PhDs within the company, and is about as interdisciplinary of a field as exists, requiring electrical, computer, metallurgy, materials science, aerodynamics, and then producing them in huge quantities and making them reliable.

And yet a hard drive costs less than a stupid $*#&ing lamp.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 28, 2019, 03:43:38 PM
Badge,

Thanks for the recommendation on the quartz.

This is the local shop I'll get my countertops from.  https://haberltilestone.com/gallery/ (https://haberltilestone.com/gallery/)

Looks like they have done a bathroom for UNL.  Maybe I'll go BIG RED.

(https://haberltilestonecom.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/img_2817.jpg)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 28, 2019, 03:45:18 PM
Always consider resale, unless you're gonna die in that place...
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 28, 2019, 03:46:09 PM
The kitchen is now gone with the wind, at least the cabinets and molding is gone.

That was probably the dirtiest part of the job and we didn't get much dust.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 28, 2019, 03:46:34 PM
Always consider resale, unless you're gonna die in that place...
Plan to be carried out of this place, or rolled out, or whatever.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 28, 2019, 03:47:45 PM
plenty of good Husker fans around these parts

but, yes, I'm more conservative on my colors and patterns

and I might die in this place, unless I move in next to Utee
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 28, 2019, 05:09:40 PM
I look forward to customizing a place again, someday. It's a lot of fun, before and after, that is.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 28, 2019, 05:14:21 PM
My office, which is a bedroom really, has the infamous popcorn ceilings.  So does the wife's.

The rest of the house had the scourge removed.  The wife wants to redo my ceiling.  Should I?  I fear it generates a LOT of dust.  I don't really look up very often anyway.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 28, 2019, 05:22:06 PM
I think it could be cheaper and less messy to simply have a guy come and mud over the popcorn.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 28, 2019, 05:31:15 PM
I don't really look up very often

I'd leave it

the ceilings in my house could use some work, but.......... I don't have the ambition
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 28, 2019, 06:55:43 PM
I think it could be cheaper and less messy to simply have a guy come and mud over the popcorn.
She also wants four can lights added to the room.  I think I'm going to nix it.  The room does not have a ceiling light at all with is a minor annoyance.   I think that most of the time they grind off the popcorn as easier and faster than mudding.

https://www.thisoldhouse.com/ideas/3-ways-to-deal-popcorn-ceiling
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on January 28, 2019, 07:09:19 PM
I've sprayed it with a solution and brushed it off after it dries which is the easiest.. I've used flat metal spade and scraped it off while having hose of shop vac taped to handle. I've used wire brush to do it. No matter how it's done, it's a messy job.  Plastic and tape door and windows to room with everything you need inside to contain the mess is all you can do... I hate that stuff ..all but three rooms in my home has it, and I'll give you one guess why it's still there .
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on January 28, 2019, 08:54:29 PM
Heh, I just paid for our cabinets.  Anything custom is going to make it pricey .  Even within custom there is so much variance in trim style, inset or overlay.  Thickness, etc etc.  Drawer types, styles.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on January 28, 2019, 09:04:58 PM
Also a big proponent of quartz too . 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 28, 2019, 09:39:15 PM
I'm guessing Quartz is at least 3x more than granite

don't think I'll need custom cabinets, just want to replace what I have.  Can't imagine they were custom.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on January 28, 2019, 09:58:12 PM
<br />(https://i.ibb.co/smVV3Sh/laundry-cab-mold.jpg) (https://ibb.co/smVV3Sh)<br />

<br />(https://i.ibb.co/Pjcq7sq/wrap-drawer.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Pjcq7sq)<br />

<br />(https://i.ibb.co/FhK1vX5/kit-island.jpg) (https://ibb.co/FhK1vX5)<br />
That can differ, based on amounts, supply and install.   In this house build I've seen that go both ways when shopping.  We like the look of the quartz where we are willing to spend on a counter.  

re: cabinet costs.  Here's a look at some of the laundry/craft room cabinets (the white) her gift wrap paper drawer is one way to make it cost more.    Soft close doors, beaded inset drawers,  It gets out of hand. I tease my wife, we are building a new house because she wants a large laundry room and large mudroom.   Then my wife's daring turquoise kitchen island.  That's one half of the sonnaofagun.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 28, 2019, 10:17:10 PM
I'm guessing Quartz is at least 3x more than granite

don't think I'll need custom cabinets, just want to replace what I have.  Can't imagine they were custom.
??
More like the same price of granite, or less.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on January 28, 2019, 10:29:24 PM
Yep, in its slab form,  most granite and quartz are fairly comparable in price, in my fairly intense shopping this past fall.  It begins to vary once you start picking slabs, fabricating, and install.  Granite is marginally more expensive to install.  Now, you could find some style of quartz and find a style of granite that is 2x, and vice versa, but that's cherry picking to prove a point.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 28, 2019, 11:08:07 PM
I was truly guessing based on what was recommended

this is good news.  I'm a cheapskate.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 29, 2019, 06:03:28 AM
Spec cabinets are cheaper and can be very nice.  They just won't fit odd spaces efficiently.  As our kitchen is smallish, and has some odd spaces, we went with purpose built cabinetry to maximize storage.

We did spec cabinets in our old house when we did the kitchen and they were nice.

There also is a thing they call quartzite that is a decent option. Quartz is manufactured stone.

https://countertopguides.com/guides/quartz-vs-quartzite-countertops.html



Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on January 29, 2019, 07:59:56 AM
I got a quote from a couple of carpenters to custom-build cabinets and bookshelves into a couple of niches that surround my fireplace.  The lowest bid that came back was about $5,000.  

So I bought unfinished stock cabinets from the box store, finished them myself to match the fireplace surround millwork, built out extra millwork and trim to mount them flush into the niches, and installed custom bookshelves above.  All for about $600.  

And since one of those two niches happens to be the best place in the house to put our Christmas tree, I made the cabinet on that side removeable and mobile, with casters hidden behind the apron trim at the bottom.  It's pretty cool, if I do say so myself. :)

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on January 29, 2019, 08:05:41 AM
That's very industrious.   We like to rearrange a room in our current house and that would be cool to have a detachable cabinet like that for a tree or other reasons.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on January 29, 2019, 08:07:56 AM
I once stood in a house on the beach of Emerald Isle, owned by a restaurateur and former LPGA player, and her girlfriend who happened to be a former UT Lady Vol, and remarked about their cabinets in the kitchen that had just been remodeled.  the wood appeared synthetic to me, and closely matched a stock on a shotgun i owned.  the grain was wavy and had/has lots of color in it from gray to green, almost yellow to deep browns.... turns out it was some exotic African wood and those cabinets (given it was a sizable kitchen with a center island with more cabinets than my entire kitchen) cost them in excess of $115k... My jaw hit the freakin' floor.  If I was so wealthy I had an account with several million dollars somewhere i'd just 'forgot about', I STILL wouldn't consider spending that much.   
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on January 29, 2019, 08:15:51 AM
re: counter tops

I really like concrete counters.  you can get into whatever shape you want, color it throughout and inlay whatever you want, infuse it with anything from stones to glass.. it is spectacularly strong if using the correct mix/ratio.  you can pour in place or do it offsite and transport- I prefer in place.  I've done several in the last couple years, mostly outside kitchens.  I have a relative who does cabinets (high quality) and as an extension started doing counters, and he loves the concrete.  he did a job at another relatives house and it is stunning.... 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 29, 2019, 08:42:44 AM
We were able to get by with all stock sizes in our kitchen. We did make several changes to the design but being a townhome there was not a lot of room for reconfiguration. It was a galley (as you can see from the pictures). We were able to extend the run of cabinets all the way to the outside wall. I wanted to take down the wall in between the kitchen and TV area, but after probing I found that all of the upstairs plumbing and a ton of HVAC were in that wall. So, no.


All told, what you see in that picture was about $6K in cabinets, plus install.


I highly recommend the fully-open Blanco sink too. Easy to clean and maintain. No staining at all.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on January 29, 2019, 09:10:29 AM
I like concrete counters, too, drew.  Although I haven't yet had the chance to install them.

We're currently in our "family home" and I really like it.  It's large, has a couple extra bedrooms, huge kitchen with an open floorplan to the great room, built-in pool and spa, and tons of other great things.  I love the neighborhood (a suburb of Austin that feels a lot more like the "small town" Austin was when I was growing up in the 70s and early 80s), I love our neighbors, I love our schools, it's really the perfect place to raise our kids.

However-- it's very traditional and although well-built, still pretty cookie-cutter McMansion-y.  And my tastes are actually QUITE modern.  So although the house is great for our purposes, it's definitely not my dream home.

One of my best friends of all time, I've known him since 4th grade and we remain great friends to this day, is an architect and specializes in modern design.  I've already told him he'll be designing my next home, which will be a "glass box" on acreage somewhere in the hill country west of Austin.   Super clean, super modern.

And it will have concrete countertops everywhere I can put them. :)
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Post by: 847badgerfan on January 29, 2019, 09:22:49 AM
Concrete will definitely handle cast iron.
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Post by: Cincydawg on January 29, 2019, 10:00:35 AM
I have "learned" that washing dishes in the bathroom sink is not easy.

My favorite wine bar in Cincy installed a concrete bar.  It was rather interesting.  They inserted bottoms of wine bottles in the concrete which was colored a dark purplish brown.  The guy doing the work explained a lot of it to me.

First time I had seen it.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on January 29, 2019, 10:14:32 AM
I think, long term, that concrete faces the same fate as Corian. I wouldn't do it. Just my opinion, of course. Stone and quartz have stood the test of time.


Because I'm curious.. Is the concrete reinforced with steel at all? Concrete is for beans, in tension. Any flex at all will cause cracking, without reinforcement. I suppose it all depends on the span, the weight of the concrete itself, and what kind of load is put on top of it.
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Post by: Drew4UTk on January 29, 2019, 10:21:56 AM
yes, it is reinforced.  some folks use rebar and tied together old fashioned style....  some use wire mesh, which is what i use.  i also use a kevlar fiber mix.  insofar as flex, this is where the mix is super important.  we're NOT talking 'quickcrete' like you would use for a sidewalk or post... the mixes intended for counters can flex some, and can resist temperature changes much better than regular concrete.... it's all about the cement in the concrete and the type of substrate.    

i assure you without qualification that if you were to see concrete and granite or even all three (adding quartz to the list) side by side, and if the concrete was done with intent to appear like the others, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference.   atop of that, you can repair concrete where it can't be detected, where as granite and quartz? ain't gonna happen... you can get it 'close', and perhaps to a degree only you will notice, but concrete? you can literally hide it where it's undetectable.

https://www.concretenetwork.com/countertop-mix/
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Post by: Drew4UTk on January 29, 2019, 10:27:36 AM
you can 'grow' granite or quartz, but let's see this done with such:

(https://www.cfb51.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fegmeetfamilyeee.info%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2018%2F04%2Fconcrete-mix-for-countertop-ask-buddy-is-the-place-to-learn-and-ask-questions-about-the-buddy-concrete-mix-concrete-pigments-and-sealers-concrete-countertop-mix-suppliers-uk.jpg&hash=a35d7988e09e3da2066cd80029f9d588)

or this, not that it's my taste, but... :
(https://www.space-time-mass.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/staining-concrete-countertops-to-look-like-granite-beautiful-how-to-make-concrete-countertops-look-like-granite-of-staining-concrete-countertops-to-look-like-granite.jpg)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 29, 2019, 10:29:26 AM
I was reading stuff 8-10 years back about how stainless steel appliances were "out".  Black was the new fad.  We were about to redo our kitchen, so I paid attention, and then went with SS.

I'm cautious about "fads".  I like concrete, but I am pretty sure some wife touring the house would say "I love the house, but we'd have to tear out that countertop and replace it with granite.".

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Post by: Cincydawg on January 29, 2019, 10:31:19 AM
We had a couple very interested in our house when it was for sale and were prepared to offer full price until the dude found his truck would not fit in the standard sized garage.  The wife had installed cabinets on the ledge and the truck would not fit now.  The cabinets of course could be removed with ease.

People buy, or don't buy, a place for bizarre reasons at times.

We sold it a week later for about 5% off asking.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 29, 2019, 10:34:07 AM
I'm cautious about "fads".  I like concrete, but I am pretty sure some wife touring the house would say "I love the house, but we'd have to tear out that countertop and replace it with granite.".


that wife certainly wouldn't bother me
would only cause me to cherish the counter top more
but, I understand about the feelings of the wife that really mattered
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on January 29, 2019, 10:35:58 AM
^Ha!!!!

One thing i've learned... I will NEVER buy a house for what i 'see in it'... I will buy it for what it IS.  

I bought the house i'm in now, all 1400sqft of it, when i was single and had a dog.. it was perfect for me and the dog.. it is far from perfect for me, three dogs, the wife and two girls one 18 the other 5... it's now around 2ksqft and since we are outside types, the bar/smoke pit and pool area's come into as much play as any interior room does- but still... I bought the place when single and based on "what i saw in it" aka "projects" as opposed to what it actually was..... 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 29, 2019, 10:40:33 AM
The wife watches the TV shows about folks buying houses.  I KNOW these are scripted and staged of course, but the comments still can be "interesting" in terms of why they chose A over B and C.  Our realtors in ATL and Cincy basically confimred these impressions.  The guy in Cincy was almost certain we had sold our house on Day One before the truck wouldn't fit.

He thought we'd have three offers in fact, but the other couples drifted off for vaguer reasons.

We finally sold it to a single guy about 35 or so, all 3500 sq ft of it.  He had insisted his Dad be able to inspect the house before he signed, which was rather odd because there was an inspection clause in the contract and he could have anyone inspect in that time period.

Seemed like a nice enough fellow at closing.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on January 29, 2019, 10:46:50 AM
Yeah, that's why we bought our current house pretty much turnkey.  The starter home was my project house and I built a lot of stuff for it.  For this one (other than the built-ins I mentioned earlier) pretty much all changes have been simple and cosmetic.

The next one will be custom-designed and custom-built, and most likely won't involve a single project for me at all.

Anyway, I see this relatively new trend of "black stainless" appliances and I just shake my head.  That look is already dated IMO and I've only seen it on showroom floors for the past 2 years or so. No thanks.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 29, 2019, 10:58:54 AM
ATLANTA (AP) — Atlantans awoke to relatively mild weather Tuesday, but forecasters warned that streets could still become icy as fans arrive for the Super Bowl, with temperatures expected to drop more than 20 degrees during the day.

More than 100 of Tuesday’s flights were canceled at Atlanta’s airport and schools were closed across the city “in an abundance of caution” ahead of the storm front, which was churning toward Georgia Tuesday just as thousands of fans begin pouring into town for Super Bowl 53.

Cincy,

Are you ready for the storm?  How far are you from the Super Bowl venue and will it cause issues for you?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 29, 2019, 11:00:32 AM
The weather report here last night was breathless.  They had some reporter out on the highways showing us brine trucks and driving up I-75 where it was .... raining.  We were in the "TRACE" snowfall area but one would have thought this was the Snowmageddon of the Century.  It's drizzling right now and about 40°F.

One reporter hoped the weather would not stop the Super Bowl (which of course is in a dome).

The governor closed state offices ahead of time.

Now, an ice storm can mess this place up bad, but a bit of snow?  Eh, and we seem to have missed even that.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 29, 2019, 11:05:36 AM
We live maybe 4 miles from the MB Dome.  So far this has been a complete nothing.

I could walk to the Dome obviously, but when I went I took MARTA (which was jam packed).

We look out on Piedmont Park which is nice as we see trees on both sides of us.  A block up the hill is major high rise buildings (not downtown).

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 29, 2019, 11:09:47 AM
if it's going to be anything at all, it should start soon
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 29, 2019, 11:24:31 AM
40°F here, clearing this afternoon and turning bitterly cold, all the way down to -6°.

OK. I've gone metric there.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 29, 2019, 11:29:39 AM
I feel lucky

sitting at zero here

everything north of here is negative

north winds at 25-30 make it seem like -20

I'll stay in my office this afternoon, bee line to my living room after work and hunker down to watch Husker hoops

a hot toddy or two may be the game time drink
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Post by: utee94 on January 29, 2019, 12:28:22 PM
44 and sunny here, should hit a high of 52 today.  To me, that's fairly cold.  Fearless probably views it as fine golfing weather.
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Post by: FearlessF on January 29, 2019, 12:40:11 PM
it's fine for long britches and a light jacket

when I was there a few weeks back it was finer

high 60's and low 70's

shorts and shirt sleeves, no jacket required

it was DERNED fine golfing weather
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 29, 2019, 12:41:26 PM
I highly recommend the fully-open Blanco sink too. Easy to clean and maintain. No staining at all.
I hate divided sinks. Maybe that was a thing before dishwashers, when people had to have one "wash" sink and one "rinse" sink, or something like that. But they need to go away.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 29, 2019, 12:43:42 PM
Now, an ice storm can mess this place up bad, but a bit of snow?  Eh, and we seem to have missed even that.
Well, even the threat of ice or snow pretty much brings Atlanta to a standstill...
But yeah, back when I was moving there in 2005, there was a bad ice storm the night before I was supposed to fly in and go to the local office for a few days. It was brutal. I was supposed to arrive mid-afternoon, and through all SORTS of wrangling with flights, eventually landed about 1 AM. 
That said, it's Tuesday. Even a bad ice storm would be cleared well before the Super Bowl. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 29, 2019, 01:23:23 PM
It's clearing up now a bit, and getting cooler, no snowpocalypse.

I've been in ice storms where I couldn't walk without holding onto something.  Driving is impossible.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on January 29, 2019, 01:48:01 PM
it's fine for long britches and a light jacket

when I was there a few weeks back it was finer

high 60's and low 70's

shorts and shirt sleeves, no jacket required

it was DERNED fine golfing weather
That was yesterday.  Old Man Winter must have shown up overnight though.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 29, 2019, 02:37:57 PM
you've got some good warm weather coming by the weekend

if not for my usual Super Bowl party and some things going on at work, I might have been headed south

could be rainy

BTW, a truck showed up with a couple pallets to unload.  My skidloader has forks but no cab or heater.  It's BRISK out there
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Post by: MarqHusker on January 29, 2019, 02:58:59 PM
I love a giant divided sink.  A 45 inch Franke.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on January 29, 2019, 03:06:29 PM
you've got some good warm weather coming by the weekend

if not for my usual Super Bowl party and some things going on at work, I might have been headed south

could be rainy

BTW, a truck showed up with a couple pallets to unload.  My skidloader has forks but no cab or heater.  It's BRISK out there
Sounds like a good time to pay someone else to do it... ;)
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Post by: FearlessF on January 29, 2019, 03:11:18 PM
Only have 6 guys to supervise, they were all out and about as directed

I was the only man left hiding in the nice warm office

the ladies in the office tell me they know nothing about running a skidloader
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Post by: 847badgerfan on January 29, 2019, 03:47:00 PM
That was yesterday.  Old Man Winter must have shown up overnight though.  
Why is it that winter is an old man, but summer is a beautiful woman? From my view, winter is a bitch on wheels.
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Post by: FearlessF on January 29, 2019, 03:59:43 PM
(https://www.cfb51.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fnetrightdaily.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F12%2FOl-Winter-NRD-600.jpg&hash=8eebbac65b6cfb9677b39e438307f4f0)
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Post by: FearlessF on January 29, 2019, 06:30:33 PM
for anyone lucky enough to be in Atlanta for the Super Bowl or for Cincy..................

https://www.mensjournal.com/travel/the-atlanta-travel-guide-where-to-go-eat-and-stay/ (https://www.mensjournal.com/travel/the-atlanta-travel-guide-where-to-go-eat-and-stay/)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: GopherRock on January 29, 2019, 06:59:03 PM
It's a balmy -15 here in Rochester, and a low in the morning of -31. Happy happy joy joy!
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 29, 2019, 07:12:35 PM
Why is it that winter is an old man, but summer is a beautiful woman? From my view, winter is a bitch on wheels.
Because in winter, old men cover their hideous bodies with heavy clothing, which we all prefer.
While in summer, beautiful women wear less and less clothing, which we all prefer.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 29, 2019, 07:35:31 PM
Because in winter, old men cover their hideous bodies with heavy clothing, which we all prefer.
While in summer, beautiful women wear less and less clothing, which we all prefer.

I'll remember this. I remember being in Madison. 
Come November, it was "where did they all go?" and come May it was "wow this is great."
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 29, 2019, 10:19:29 PM
I'll remember this. I remember being in Madison.
Come November, it was "where did they all go?" and come May it was "wow this is great."
I'd say it's better here, but once it drops below 68 all the ladies here pull out their parkas lol
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Post by: Cincydawg on January 30, 2019, 11:29:04 AM
for anyone lucky enough to be in Atlanta for the Super Bowl or for Cincy..................

https://www.mensjournal.com/travel/the-atlanta-travel-guide-where-to-go-eat-and-stay/ (https://www.mensjournal.com/travel/the-atlanta-travel-guide-where-to-go-eat-and-stay/)
We've done some of those.  I'd opine Krog Street Market is, well, overrun with young folks and too loud.  Ponce City Market is at least as good and just as hip, and we walk there fairly often.  We probably have well over 50 nice restaurants in walking distance and are still checking them out.
Such travel guides of course are one person's opinion who cannot possibly have found all the cool places in a city of 6 million, so take them with a grain of sodium chloride.  The Coke Museum is actually kinda neat and the CFB Hall of Fame is decently done, but a bit pricey.  The Beltway is an up and coming thing and has sparked a ton of development along its path, it's quite interesting really, but can be packed on nice days and sometimes bike riders nearly run you down, if the scooters don't get you.
Some of is is slated to have light rail built on it, coupled with various paths.  We are walking a lot more than we did living in the 'burbs because there is so much more to walk to.  We went to dinner last night at the local French restaurant as they have half priced wine on Tuesdays and the place was unusually quiet, apparently the Snowmageddon scared people away (I never saw a single flake.)
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Post by: MrNubbz on January 31, 2019, 08:11:15 AM
It's a balmy -15 here in Rochester, and a low in the morning of -31. Happy happy joy joy!
shit somewhere up there it hit -66,they said colder than Antarctica.That's for those wusses to discuss,grab the auger,collapsible shanty,poles and jigs and let's get a move on it
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 31, 2019, 08:54:19 AM
It's summer in Antarctica of course.

Nice day again here, sunny if slightly chilly.

I am very glad the be out of Ohio in winter.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on January 31, 2019, 08:57:35 AM
-22 right now. Yay.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 31, 2019, 09:26:53 AM
32°F and sunny, headed up to 49°F, going to get into the sixties this weekend, some rain possible.

Cold here nearly always means sunny.  Warm here usually means rain.

I was curious about our HVAC bills here in the condo.  Last month's was $125.  We're all electric, running a heat pump which I'm told is fed by heated water from a central gas heating unit.  Hot water here comes from another central gas hot water tank I'm told, so we don't have much beyond moving air around and lights.

We'd be paying $400 a month in Cincy for high efficiency gas heat and electric in winter, so this is better.  BY the time I add cable (which was $171 in Cincy, with TV, and free here) and water (about $100 a month there, free here), I'm almost no worse off considering I don't need to paint or maintain or garden etc.  The HOA went up 2% end of the year, which sounds about right.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on January 31, 2019, 09:42:55 AM
We have radiant heat in the floors here, and the pipe also runs into a radiator that is housed in a forced air unit in a closet. So we can turn that on and make it warmer, if we like, but mostly we just rely on the floor heat. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 31, 2019, 09:56:55 AM
We're having a problem with our heater. But it's not cold enough to worry about telling the property management company to fix it. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on January 31, 2019, 10:22:12 AM
Reached out to my bud in Milwaukee, thinking about that time back in '96 that we tossed boiling water in the air to make snow--the same week our heat went out (we did not wait to tell management).

He did it again last night. My California kids thought the video was so cool. SFIrish was grateful to live in California.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 31, 2019, 10:26:48 AM
Reached out to my bud in Milwaukee, thinking about that time back in '96 that we tossed boiling water in the air to make snow--the same week our heat went out (we did not wait to tell management).

He did it again last night. My California kids thought the video was so cool. SFIrish was grateful to live in California.
Several people have gone to the ER after doing the water thing. They were the ones who threw the water straight up and it didn't melt. Darwin awards are on the way.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on January 31, 2019, 10:33:33 AM
my boss works at the Pentagon- just called and asked me to drive out to his house here (north carolina) and wake his son who he couldn't raise on a telephone.

his wife (kids mother) committed suicide (shot) herself last night.   I just got back... didn't like that much, y'all... His Uncle had arrived a moment or so before us, and he told him... I wasn't going to, I was just going to tell him to call his dad NOW, and slip out.  That was an ugly scene, folks.

depression sucks, gentlemen.  hug your loved ones.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 31, 2019, 10:37:28 AM
Depression is very insidious.  I went though a period where I did not want to get better, I didn't want much of anything at all out of life.  I had to tell my girls they were pretty much on their on other than having the bills paid.  I managed to get through it with some help.  I think not caring is one of the worst things to experience, complete apathy about life.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 31, 2019, 11:23:09 AM
Reached out to my bud in Milwaukee, thinking about that time back in '96 that we tossed boiling water in the air to make snow--the same week our heat went out (we did not wait to tell management).

He did it again last night. My California kids thought the video was so cool. SFIrish was grateful to live in California.
My cousin posted herself doing that on Instagram last night. She'd lived out here in SoCal for a year teaching, but lo and behold, it's not easy to live here on a teacher's salary. 
So she went back to Chippewa Falls.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on January 31, 2019, 12:23:23 PM
Several people have gone to the ER after doing the water thing. They were the ones who threw the water straight up and it didn't melt. Darwin awards are on the way.
We were smart enough at the time (and he was last night) to throw away from ourselves (being sober helped both times). There are risks in a lot of things, and mitigation, too. :-)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 31, 2019, 12:27:48 PM
We were smart enough at the time (and he was last night) to throw away from ourselves (being sober helped both times). There are risks in a lot of things, and mitigation, too. :-)

I'd hope so, counselor. ;)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 31, 2019, 12:58:08 PM
Mizzou hit with 2 year bowl ban.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 31, 2019, 01:16:54 PM
Mizzou hit with 2 year bowl ban.
Thank goodness North Carolina hasn't had any academic improprieties. Otherwise there would be hell to pay.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 31, 2019, 01:19:16 PM
The UNC thing was rather strange to me, they apparently slid by because it wasn't just athletes skating.

So, if you have crip courses for athletes that the general pop also takes, it's OK.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 31, 2019, 01:27:16 PM
Lesson:



The NCAA doesn't hammer blue bloods.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on January 31, 2019, 01:38:45 PM
I'll never forget Bob Stoops in an interview after they slammed his team for 'wash gate' and on the heels of USC/Bush- he said "the takeaway for me is simple.  I'll never self report again". 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on January 31, 2019, 02:36:20 PM
Mizzou hit with 2 year bowl ban.
I'm guessing Kelly Bryant is on the move again
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on January 31, 2019, 02:38:35 PM
Also means any Missouri player with 1 or 2 years of eligibility remaining can transfer immediately correct?

We could use some SEC speed in East Lansing
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on January 31, 2019, 02:40:29 PM
we could use some SEC speed @ Tennessee..... 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 31, 2019, 02:47:12 PM
Also means any Missouri player with 1 or 2 years of eligibility remaining can transfer immediately correct?

We could use some SEC speed in East Lansing
Was looking at their TE's actually, since UW is losing one to transfer itself. I like the kid who also had an MSU offer.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on January 31, 2019, 02:52:37 PM
several years ago now, not long after Mizzou joined the SEC, i was at disney over Christmas... standing in line for a ride and behind three Mizzou players... big ol' rascals, and would guess them linebackers or TE's.  turns out they were DB's.   I recall thinking at the time that on tv and comparing them to their opponents on the field, Mizzou was really small across the board in comparison..... and here these DB's were every bit as tall and likely just slightly lighter than I am (though they are constructed with far less fluff)... 

eh, ^just an anecdote.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 31, 2019, 03:00:30 PM
Also means any Missouri player with 1 or 2 years of eligibility remaining can transfer immediately correct?

We could use some SEC speed in East Lansing
Lincoln might be close to home for those kids
plenty of needs and shallow depth chart for playing time
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 31, 2019, 03:56:01 PM
Anyone have any good dishes for Super Bowl? 

For this one it's just my wife and I, no kids, no others. Thinking of one appetizer that we can have prepped before the game starts and something that is easy to cook unattended [like a crock pot meal] for the dinner. But we've done chili a lot lately, so might want to avoid that and try something new...
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 31, 2019, 04:29:25 PM
I had chili

another idea would be Zuppa soup like Olive Garden - could be appetizer or dinner
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 31, 2019, 04:30:39 PM
Anyone have any good dishes for Super Bowl?

For this one it's just my wife and I, no kids, no others. Thinking of one appetizer that we can have prepped before the game starts and something that is easy to cook unattended [like a crock pot meal] for the dinner. But we've done chili a lot lately, so might want to avoid that and try something new...
I'm making Cioppino.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 31, 2019, 04:35:58 PM
I like your Cioppino better than my Zuppa
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 31, 2019, 05:26:31 PM
Yeah, I'd have to find a crock pot version of Zuppa Toscana. I have an Instant Pot version, but that's something that can't be just thrown in before the game. 

But that might work. It's supposed to be a high of 57 and raining on Sunday, so that's decent weather for soup.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 31, 2019, 05:30:12 PM
I like your Cioppino better than my Zuppa
Thank you. I've refined it since you had it back in 2011, so I like it even better. Easier to prepare in a kitchen than a parking lot too.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 31, 2019, 06:47:28 PM
my Zuppa has been refined for the better as well

parking lots are better for burgers, chops, and brats
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 31, 2019, 07:02:25 PM
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/despite-the-missouri-punishments-its-clear-no-one-actually-wants-to-solve-academic-fraud/


Interesting take. <<<Channels inner George Carlin>>> F UNC too.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on January 31, 2019, 09:26:55 PM
I'll never forget Bob Stoops in an interview after they slammed his team for 'wash gate' and on the heels of USC/Bush- he said "the takeaway for me is simple.  I'll never self report again".
Drew:
I'm not disputing your story, but could you refresh my memory on that one?  I can't remember ever hearing about "wash gate."
Memory is fallible, of course.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 01, 2019, 06:29:07 AM
When I was an undergrad (early '70s) certain course were KNOWN to be "easy", one was Geology 101, called "Rocks for Jocks".  The professor was apparently a big football fan.  I had a buddy who signed up for it expecting an easy A and found himself in a class taught by a different professor.  He told me most of the class dropped in the first week, as did he.

I think today the "tutors" know a curriculum that meets NCAA guidelines, and the players take certain classes known to be easy so they can get along but don't really lead to a substantive degree, we see majors now called "Consumer Economics".  In my day, Spanish was a common major for players.

Even the smarter players who would have gone to college without football mostly take it easy given their time demands for playing football.  We almost never see majors like Engineering or science or math.  And many of these kids were BMOC in High School and got used to teacher's passing them on with a "C" because they played football.  That happened in my day also in HS.  And some of them attended poor high schools of course, of which there are many.

What to do?  I dunno, up to the university I guess, if they want to offer crip courses that mean nothing, I guess it will happen, always.  It's bad when a pretty good school like UNC does it of course, but hardly unexpected to me.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on February 01, 2019, 07:16:41 AM
Anyone have any good dishes for Super Bowl?
Trail mix and Pabst.....Actually Cindy's friend dropped off some smoked Slovenian sausage and pork butt from her son's BBQ stand,already sampled - scrumptious
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 01, 2019, 07:23:26 AM
Anyone know how to report on the tax form money "borrowed" from an IRA and then replenished inside 60 days?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 01, 2019, 07:38:14 AM
Anyone know how to report on the tax form money "borrowed" from an IRA and then replenished inside 60 days?
I did this too, while waiting on a distribution but needed $$ for another investment, quickly. Paid it within 5 weeks.

I was told that if it went to 61 days, I'd get a 1099. Never got one, so never reported it.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 01, 2019, 08:10:36 AM
My withdrawal did generate a 1099 from Schwab, so I'm stuck.  Someone told me to file Form X, but I can't find it anywhere.  Schwab is up the street so I'll stroll by later, supposed to be a nice day.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on February 01, 2019, 08:26:10 AM
Nothing like getting tax/investment advice from anonymous sources on the web - what could possibly go wrong ;D
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 01, 2019, 08:30:35 AM
I'm just asking if anyone happens to know the form number, not tax advice.

I tried the usual and didn't find it.  I use Turbotax so maybe it's in there, I don't know yet.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 01, 2019, 09:02:27 AM
https://finance.zacks.com/report-ira-distribution-refunded-within-60-days-7619.html

Crap, my box 2 shows it all as taxable.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Riffraft on February 01, 2019, 09:12:31 AM
If you reinvested in an IRA you should received a form 5498 from them showing the contribution. However you probably won't receive it until May since you have until april 15 to contribute to an IRA and have it count toward last tax year.

Just so you know you don't have to have the form when you file your taxes. Your tax program should give you a place to show if you reinvested a distribution and do the calculations for you.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 01, 2019, 09:52:42 AM
I have not booted up the tax program yet, I'm still organizing my information.  I have a pretty clear record "on line", came out 4/17 and replenished 6/4.

It was a substantial sum I needed free in case my loan on the condo didn't come through in time.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 01, 2019, 09:58:08 AM
https://www.history.com/news/coldest-day-temperatures-in-us-history?fbclid=IwAR1ySCl6hSsSJTxLkDS8UX7h2Pm3Nv2D43ff6_44a_79LAUoOA3rIZW28Ds
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on February 01, 2019, 10:13:23 AM
wasn't it TurboTax and HRBlock software that was lit up by a class action lawsuit?  They, in short, 'hid deductions' from users, and miscalculated others that gave the IRS advantage every time

I used TurboTax for some filings but not for personal.. for personal I use(d) taxact.  I continue to use it as i can import years and years of taxes.  The problem, however, is that taxact has gotten as popular as turbotax and have also started to make some deductions more difficult to get to... i can compare former years and see the path to the deduction plainly, and i can reference the IRS to ensure the deduction is still available, but the newer (started three years ago) taxact (just like turbotax and HRBlock before them) have made accessing those deductions more difficult.  That, to me, is pure BS.  

... and here is the thing: if i had not been using taxact way back when, i'd have never known about those deductions to begin with.  they are buried layers and layers deep, but taxact (used to)pre-populate the required information in every place needed... i.e. they would offer you the lower level form instead of making you populate every form in between first- then ask you what it needed to populate the 'missing' (if any) information in the 'in between' forms if it required it.

i was audited back in '09 i think it was... it got hairy enough i secured an advocate to assist.  When my day of review came, the advocate reported following "they said your taxes were as complete as any they've ever seen".  I got an additional $310 back due to the item in question that spawned the situation (a 1099 my former wife received when she cashed out of an investment, and never told me about so it wasn't included in the filings- it was hers, but we had filed jointly- she purchased the stocks w/post tax dollars and i had to prove to the IRS it didn't fall out of the sky into my lap giving us a $15k return on a $0 investment- once demonstrated she actually lost money on it, they were more forgiving... pain in my arse, though, explaining all that and proving it to them.).... Because my taxes (thanks to taxact) were so complete and well documented, I was pretty much in and out- they didn't have to contact me to question this or question that to wrap it up in one day (after almost a year of waiting for that one day).    
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 01, 2019, 10:23:39 AM
I find Turbotax to be effective and efficient.  It downloads my brokerage statements directly from my account.  I suspect the others do this as well, but it's a huge help, and of course also reads my previous year's forms.  I know of no "hidden deductions" I might have taken.  I try and stay up on taxes and have had an expert review them a couple of times, and been quasi-audited twice.

I have read that this year the percentage of folks itemizing will drop from 30% to 5%.  If so, we might expect a concomitant decline in charitable donations as that is realized, and some complaints by folks who can no longer itemize beneficially.  Of course, this is a result of the increased in the standard deduction.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on February 01, 2019, 10:36:48 AM
the deductions aren't 'hidden' so much as they're just hard to get to using the ui/ux of the application.  

one of them, as a for instance, is deducting the actual cost of operating a (small) fleet of vehicles.  both applications, using schedule C, used to make access to 'standard mileage' deduction fairly easy- but the three trucks i was running at the time blew through that like it was cool with all the maintenance and such- and the cost to run them was the premise of 'margin' for that ventures value.  If you choose 'standard mileage' for one of them one year, you must claim standard for the life of that vehicle.  if you choose 'actual' for that vehicle prior, you can choose either- but as soon as you choose 'standard' you're stuck with it..... there are times when selecting the standard rate bumped margin's slightly, but if that truck is going to be requiring repairs or replacement of a consumable item (tires, brakes, hydraulic system ect) in the near future you may want to eat the 'loss' of choosing 'actual' because the next year the actual costs will be far greater than the standard... using turbotax i had to handjam the forms in for this and then adjust every cascade it impacted- and couldn't file electronically because of that... had to print and review, and mail it off... w/taxact it was right there under my nose (well, it used to be).   Beginning last year TaxAct started making that more difficult- BUT- because i imported the year prior i could go right to it.  meaning: it's there- it's in the application- but you ain't getting to it without the 'import' function of its prior use.  THAT, is what i call BS on. 

insofar as this year and the coming years, yeah- for personal taxes using itemized deductions may become a thing of the past.  it sure seems that is their intent.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 01, 2019, 10:55:03 AM
I HATED Schedule C when my wife owned her business.  Yuck.  That went out with the wife when we divorced.

She kept horrible records so I was mostly guessing.  I graciously went with her to her new tax preparer the next year to review what I had done.  He looked at my return briefly and said it looked fine.  There is no way I got it right, this was well before software was available.  I built my own Excel spreadsheets to do the calculations.  

I had some MLPs for a while and hated them as well as the forms didn't come until much later.  I dumped them also.

Now my stuff is fairly simple in theory.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 01, 2019, 11:03:02 AM
My withdrawal did generate a 1099 from Schwab, so I'm stuck.  Someone told me to file Form X, but I can't find it anywhere.  Schwab is up the street so I'll stroll by later, supposed to be a nice day.
Good move. Let them handle it.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 01, 2019, 11:09:47 AM
If you reinvested in an IRA you should received a form 5498 from them showing the contribution. However you probably won't receive it until May since you have until april 15 to contribute to an IRA and have it count toward last tax year.

Just so you know you don't have to have the form when you file your taxes. Your tax program should give you a place to show if you reinvested a distribution and do the calculations for you.

Yes, this is true, for the monies that were put back in, which will offset the withdrawal. Penalties are another thing, for those of us under 59.5.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 01, 2019, 11:34:32 AM
Trail mix and Pabst.....Actually Cindy's friend dropped off some smoked Slovenian sausage and pork butt from her son's BBQ stand,already sampled - scrumptious
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/-QVt4BuWjEk/maxresdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Riffraft on February 01, 2019, 01:53:46 PM
I have not booted up the tax program yet, I'm still organizing my information.  I have a pretty clear record "on line", came out 4/17 and replenished 6/4.

It was a substantial sum I needed free in case my loan on the condo didn't come through in time.


I did the same thing this year. I took out a large payment out of my 401k to put as a down payment on the house I was buying since the house I was selling wouldn't close until after I closed on the new one. Once I closed on the old one I put the same amount of the money that I withdrew and put it in an IRA. I have done similar things in the past and haven't had a problem. As long as you can document that it was done within 60 days, there shouldn't be any issues.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 01, 2019, 02:11:50 PM
Trying to decide if I should find a new tax system / accountant. I had an accountant from many years back when my ex had a business, on top of us having a house, and the taxes were a lot more complicated. I ended up sticking with them, even though my typical tax preparation bill was ~$400 annually, assuming that at the very least I had an expert working on it. 

Now that I'm remarried, and we rent, I think the taxes will be CONSIDERABLY simpler than they ever were in the past, especially with some of the new tax law changes. But I want to make sure I don't miss things...

Anyone have recommendations?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 01, 2019, 02:14:28 PM
I'm still paying one of the best firms in the area way too much money to do my taxes.  Some things are simplifying for me after 2019 and then after 2020.

I'll probably go to turbo tax or another on-line service and save $$$

I use those services to help my daughters file.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Riffraft on February 01, 2019, 03:21:34 PM
Trying to decide if I should find a new tax system / accountant. I had an accountant from many years back when my ex had a business, on top of us having a house, and the taxes were a lot more complicated. I ended up sticking with them, even though my typical tax preparation bill was ~$400 annually, assuming that at the very least I had an expert working on it.

Now that I'm remarried, and we rent, I think the taxes will be CONSIDERABLY simpler than they ever were in the past, especially with some of the new tax law changes. But I want to make sure I don't miss things...

Anyone have recommendations?
Certainly don't want to take away business (I have my own accounting business) but if that is all you have, I would recommend using turbotax. It would walk you through your return. Th only thing you would get from a CPA is a second set of eyes and someone who will sign off on it.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 01, 2019, 03:26:23 PM
A LOT of folks who itemized last year will not this year.  A simple 1040A filing should suffice for many of them.  You might need Schedule D for stocks etc.

I forget what D is now, and B, one or the other.  

I have most of the wife's financials now, she mostly does her own thing though I manage her IRAs.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 01, 2019, 03:31:34 PM
The wife and I were out today, it's nice, and went to Costco (where I spent too much money on vino).  We have no kitchen, and no sink, which is amazingly problematic, just a microwave and a grill outside.  Anyway, we both noticed heightened police presence everywhere, like at a mall we passed and on the highway.  I'm guessing the MARTA police are out in force, and the concert area out at Atlantic Center appeared to be hopping.

The Game will feature roughly 80,000 people in the stadium, not really a significant number, but I hear that hundreds of thousands come to town for the game.  Why is that exactly?  The side shows?  The local news is consumed with this, street closures and whatever else.

We will be hunkered down in situ of course.  Oddly enough we have a friend from France of all places coming to see the game, she's about 20 and knows nothing about football, long story.  

Anyway, this strikes me as a bit odd.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 01, 2019, 04:02:06 PM
The accountant who does my business does my personal as part of the yearly fee. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Riffraft on February 01, 2019, 04:38:49 PM
A LOT of folks who itemized last year will not this year.  A simple 1040A filing should suffice for many of them.  You might need Schedule D for stocks etc.

I forget what D is now, and B, one or the other.  

I have most of the wife's financials now, she mostly does her own thing though I manage her IRAs.
There actually isn't a 1040A or 1040EZ anymore. Just a 1040
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 01, 2019, 04:55:00 PM
I'll be itemizing, even with the limits on state and local taxes (which absolutely SUCK for Illinois residents/dipshits).
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 01, 2019, 04:58:26 PM
https://smartasset.com/taxes/all-about-irs-form-1040a

I learned something here, once again.

The new law consolidated the forms 1040, 1040A and 1040EZ into one redesigned Form 1040 (https://smartasset.com/taxes/how-to-fill-out-your-1040-form) that all filers can use. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 01, 2019, 08:54:31 PM
simplifying things???

naaww
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 02, 2019, 11:53:43 AM
Today here is mostly sunny with a high expected to reach 67°F.  I take a perverse pleasure in checking Cincy weather (34°F and cloudy at the moment).

The wife and I don't mind some winter "chill" at times but really enjoy having days like today interspersed.  We didn't especially want Florida weather though we did check out Jacksonville a bit.

I really suffered in those long, gray, cold winters for 40 years.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on February 02, 2019, 02:21:37 PM
The accountant who does my business does my personal as part of the yearly fee.
That is how we roll with my wife's accountant too.  I think I would commit malpractice if I did it myself.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 02, 2019, 03:42:16 PM
I sat my ex when she did her first round of taxes "on her own" with some accountant.  My notion was that he could only do as good a job as she was able to provide records.  She had no clue about taxes and brought in shoe boxes full of irrelevant receipts.  He remained quite pleasant, which I infer is a big part of his job.  She owned her own business, so schedule C was the main thing.  He asked me quite a few questions about the previous year's return and what was what, she had bought a van for her business for example.  Well, I bought it, but it was for her business.

My GUESS is most folks who go to H&R Block in Walmart bring all sorts of unneeded pieces of paper.  If you don't bring in the right sort of forms obviously your accountant won't be able to do it right.  I try and keep up on the basics of tax law so I can minimize my tax burden.  I usually do the usual tax loss selling in November, for example.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on February 02, 2019, 04:06:15 PM
The accountant is great particularly in providing his organizer questionnaire which helps identify all relevant actions, dispositions and relevant deductions. Makes for a pretty efficient process all things considered. Their tax white papers are great too.

Fwiw, plenty of quality open end and managed vehicles out there to get MLP exposure w/o fussing w K-1s.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 02, 2019, 05:20:25 PM
Yeah, I just kind of soured on the MLP angle.  They had a nice yield, but they seemed to go down in price all the time for me.

I have the Yogi Berra investment philosophy.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 03, 2019, 03:04:31 PM
The wife and I went out for brunch, and it being a nice albeit cloudy day, walked through the heart of midtown.  There are police everywhere, as if something big is happening.  (We dined about 2 miles north of the stadium.)  Two guys in the restaurant had SB tickets around their necks.  People are everywhere also, as are limos, black Escalades mostly.  I understand hotel rooms were jacked up, no shock, and are sold out.  We walked by a new place call City Tap Room and took a tour, nice set up, 56 beers on tap, which is adequate, a lot of TVs but classier looking than a typical sports bar.

Patriots jerseys outnumbered Rams jerseys probably 5:1.  I did see a fair number of Gurley jerseys.  I was slightly surprised to see so many football jerseys from a lot of different teams.  There is a large Four Seasons hotel near us that had I'm guessing 10 of the black limos outside and another place that had three spiffy looking large buses, which might be where one of the teams stayed, not sure.  Yesterday I saw 3 planes and a helo dragging advertising banners, today I only saw helos, sounding and looking like security.

We get a lot of folks out when the weather is nice but today it's probably 2x normal.  Peachtree Road was closed below about 8th street, it's kind of the main drag, I didn't get over to see the freeway, it could be packed on a normal Sunday.

I gather they had a rock concert last night not far from us at Atlantic Station, which is about 2 miles NW of us.  There was a small protest in the park we passed yesterday about something, the paper said 150 people were there, it was really about 40.  We saw probably 25 police officers at both ends, one guy with binos was eyeing two white dudes with backpacks wearing camo when we walked by.  Apparently some skinhead types wanted to protest out at Stone Mountain Park so they closed the entire park for the day.  Counterprotesters showed up and marched through the small town nearby but no skinheads showed up.

The bar next door is hopping and packed.  It was LOUD last night until about 10 when they don't close but go quiet somehow.  With the warm weather all the places have opened their outside seating which usually is shrouded so they can heat the space in winter.

I'm somewhat surprised what a Big Deal this is considering they only have about 75,000 seats in the place.  I read a ticket is nearly $3,000 now for nosebleeds.  I paid $280 for a nosebleed seat for the SEC CG.  I was half tempted to walk further down towards the stadium but the wife demurred.  I wonder what MARTA is like right now.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 03, 2019, 03:19:44 PM
I'd like to attend a SB some day, but $3 large for a ticket is silly

$600 for a round of golf at Pebble is silly, but I could stomach that
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 04, 2019, 08:03:48 AM
I watched the SB, mostly, I dozed off a bit for some reason. I almost never watch it.

1.  Had I not watched it, I would be fine.  There was some good defense of course and that Edleman guy for Boston was good at getting open.
2.  I had some notion Todd Gurley played for the Rams but they must have traded him or something.
3.  If the halftime music is indicative of popular music today, I am not missing anything.  It was jazzed up music, very predictable and noncreative.
4.  The outside shots were kind of neat at times how they had certain buildings lit up, good idea really, cheap advertising.
5.  I feel no particular or unusual inclination to go buy a Mercedes, or Bud Light.
6.  I didn't notice a single commercial that I thought was radical or innovative.
7.  The wife watched a bit with me and was asking about the positions of some of the players.  We talked about whether they could watch it in France or not.  Answer is maybe.
8.  If you are used to soccer and rugby, this is going to look very odd as a sport.  I'd hate to try and explain it to someone of that ilk.
9.  It's sunny here and supposed to be pretty nice today.  I assume most are "getting out of town" today.
10.  There is no ten, but I have ten fingers.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 04, 2019, 08:36:43 AM
I was at a party and didn't watch a minute. How did James White do?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on February 04, 2019, 09:09:22 AM
I was at a party and didn't watch a minute. How did James White do?
He didn't do anything.  Granted neither offense did much, but he had 9 total yards.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: fezzador on February 04, 2019, 09:18:44 AM
I only watched part of the game, but from what I could gather the Patriots were clearly superior last night.  They could - or even should - have blown the game wide open, but ended up settling for FG attempts or simply stalling in their opponent's territory.  Probably should have been something like 27-3 instead of 13-3. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 04, 2019, 09:25:31 AM
https://247sports.com/college/georgia/Article/College-football-signing-day-2019-why-recruiting-matters-128646121/?fbclid=IwAR3kGUpY17IedAhukCkfLNGweWxYTifF8G6OK5X0-4oA5vA5YeWonYByxEM

Some expected notions about how recruiting is important, nothing you don't already know I suspect.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on February 04, 2019, 09:49:19 AM
I only watched part of the game, but from what I could gather the Patriots were clearly superior last night.  They could - or even should - have blown the game wide open, but ended up settling for FG attempts or simply stalling in their opponent's territory.  Probably should have been something like 27-3 instead of 13-3.  
Their first 3 drives they were.  Ran the ball well on their first drive, but Brady threw a pick.  Then they missed a FG.  Then they had to settle for a FG.  Could have easily been 13-0 or 17-0 early, but was only 3-0.  After that neither offense did much, save one drive for the rest of the game.  Patriots probably got away with a soft PI on the play before the pick, but the Rams offense was so bad, it would have felt wrong to put them at the 2 with a penalty anyway.

I'm usually the guy to defend good defense in low scoring games.  That wasn't the case last night, both offenses were simply awful.  Particularly for an indoor game.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 04, 2019, 09:53:34 AM
The Patriots were much more effective on offense obviously.  There were some holes at times for the running backs and Edleman was uncoverable.  I've rarely seen a WR get so open against "good" defense.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Entropy on February 04, 2019, 10:47:10 AM
"football guys" and ex-players I follow on twitter seem very complimentary to Edleman's ability to use his body, run routes and put DB's in bad positions.   It felt from reading their posts that it was just as much about Edleman's abilities to run routes as it was schemes or things the Rams were doing wrong in D.   

Ram's D played well most of the night.  They just wore out in the 4th.    
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 04, 2019, 11:05:22 AM
"football guys" and ex-players I follow on twitter seem very complimentary to Edleman's ability to use his body, run routes and put DB's in bad positions.   It felt from reading their posts that it was just as much about Edleman's abilities to run routes as it was schemes or things the Rams were doing wrong in D.  

Ram's D played well most of the night.  They just wore out in the 4th.    
Steroids help bodies like Edleman's.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 04, 2019, 11:30:49 AM
I was glad to see Sony Michel do well, not just because he's a Dawg, but because he's a very high class individual (same as Chubb, who apparently wore Michel's jersey to the game).  I thought there was another ex-Dawg playing but I may have missed him.

I prefer college football, by a lot.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Hoss on February 04, 2019, 11:37:17 AM
I only watched part of the game, but from what I could gather the Patriots were clearly superior last night.  They could - or even should - have blown the game wide open, but ended up settling for FG attempts or simply stalling in their opponent's territory.  Probably should have been something like 27-3 instead of 13-3.
Agree...but their QB is an old man with little zip left in his arm. No midrange or vertical passing game to speak of. 
Which makes me all the more incredulous as to why the Rams played so many snaps giving Edelman and Gronk free releases. Its not as if either one is a threat to blow by any defensive back who is worth half a ****, but even if they were, Brady's deep passes are meatballs. Jam on both dudes, every play. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on February 04, 2019, 12:20:01 PM
I was at a party and didn't watch a minute. How did James White do?
Had one decent reception, I think. Havenstein was part of an o-line that couldn't give Goff any time. Don't know why the Rams weren't better able to take advantage of aggressive blitzes from NE with hot routes to releasing tight ends or others. The Rams' right guard was abused all night.
Mostly used the SB as an excuse to eat a bunch of crap--a cheat day of sorts. Son was laid up with a fever, so sitting in front of a TV watching drivel was easy for him. Kind of what the SB was reduced to in our house: mindless drivel.
Been watching less and less of the SB over the last few years. Just not compelling TV anymore (for me).
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 04, 2019, 12:54:12 PM
Mostly used the SB as an excuse to eat a bunch of crap--a cheat day of sorts. 
Don't worry... It was Brady's cheat day too :57:
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on February 04, 2019, 01:18:44 PM

Don't worry... It was Brady's cheat day too :57:
I keep going back to how humorous it is that we treat baseball PED users like they committed treason, and the starting QB and the MVP of the Super Bowl winning team have both been suspended in their careers (the MVP just this year) for cheating, and nobody cares.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: GopherRock on February 04, 2019, 01:21:43 PM
Had one decent reception, I think. Havenstein was part of an o-line that couldn't give Goff any time. Don't know why the Rams weren't better able to take advantage of aggressive blitzes from NE with hot routes to releasing tight ends or others. The Rams' right guard was abused all night.
Mostly used the SB as an excuse to eat a bunch of crap--a cheat day of sorts. Son was laid up with a fever, so sitting in front of a TV watching drivel was easy for him. Kind of what the SB was reduced to in our house: mindless drivel.
Been watching less and less of the SB over the last few years. Just not compelling TV anymore (for me).
It also didn't help that this was the worst SB in a long time, in all phases ( game, halftime, commercials).
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 04, 2019, 01:45:21 PM
I keep going back to how humorous it is that we treat baseball PED users like they committed treason, and the starting QB and the MVP of the Super Bowl winning team have both been suspended in their careers (the MVP just this year) for cheating, and nobody cares.
I wonder how much of it is due to the brutal nature of the sport?
I.e. in baseball, kinda like in golf, there's a certain level of sanctity that as much as you're playing against the pitcher, the field [course] is its own "defense". If you're taking PED's, corking your bat, or if they moved to aluminum bats, for example, suddenly people'd start hitting the ball out of the park "too often" and the game itself would change. Similar to all the fitness and equipment changes that have occurred in golf and now all the courses are essentially too short for the pros. When you've got guys regularly reaching 570 yard par 5's in 2, it's a whole different game than it used to be.
In football, although things are starting to change due to head injury, we're WATCHING it for the violence. Fans love the big hits. We're watching it to see gladiators engaging in hand-to-hand combat on the field. As a result, we want the biggest, fastest, strongest, and somewhat "excuse" players for using PED's because we implicitly assume the other guys are also doing it--and getting away with it. 
Thoughts?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on February 05, 2019, 12:29:29 PM
How many of you are conflicted over your football fandom? 

I am. Football is king in Madison, and I have such great memories--formative experiences--related to the football program. Nonetheless, I wouldn't let my kids play football and in every game I watch now I have moments that I cringe and think, "this isn't right." But I'm still watching, though consistently less than I was...

Curious to know if any of you are in that boat?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 05, 2019, 12:37:07 PM
Absolutely conflicted.  In some ideal world, I'd be against football.

I never even played outside a back yard game.  My Mom would not let me play, which suggests she had more sense than I did.

I can rationalize some of it for obvious reasons, but it's a brutal sport, and while not the same as the Roman sports, is in that direction.



Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on February 05, 2019, 12:55:54 PM
i watch all levels- from the almost gentle peewee's to the pro's... college is about the step off for me- they hit hard and can literally kill each other if not properly equipped/protected... then i watch the pro's in the NFL- and holy hell.... those feller's collide like cars on a racetrack but even worse- like race cars on an oval when half are running clockwise and the other half counter.  it can be heard- the impacts- from the nosebleed sections.  i don't know how many people appreciate what they do to themselves to entertain us- not that i feel sorry for them as they're paid and paid well for their sacrifice... but damn, they collide
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 05, 2019, 01:10:12 PM
How many of you are conflicted over your football fandom?

I am. Football is king in Madison, and I have such great memories--formative experiences--related to the football program. Nonetheless, I wouldn't let my kids play football and in every game I watch now I have moments that I cringe and think, "this isn't right." But I'm still watching, though consistently less than I was...

Curious to know if any of you are in that boat?
Completely. As I said in the post above yours, we're fans. We love the big hits. It's part of what football is. If there weren't big hits, we might as well watch rugby. 
And clearly we're all involved enough in college sports (yeah, we talk basketball, but it's primarily football driving everything) that we've built this community together and held it over many years... Through the various iterations I know it's been well over a decade now for me. Due to my location, I've only met one person from the board ( @jhetfield99 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1625) ), but that gave me someone to go together with to root for a Purdue @ Northwestern basketball game and he was gracious enough to host my wife and I at their pregame tailgate for the Foster Farms Bowl. I know many of you have MUCH closer relationships as you have more opportunity for board meetings, tailgates, and such.
But yes, I'm conflicted. I realize that every one of those Purdue players on the field except probably the kickers are inviting permanent brain injury by being out there. And not just the ones with concussions. CTE is no joke. 
I also would never let my sons play football. Everything I've achieved in my life has come from the gray matter between my ears being functional (maybe not normal, but functional). I wouldn't want them to screw up theirs over some dream of stardom on Sundays that has effectively zero chance of being fulfilled. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Riffraft on February 06, 2019, 01:02:00 PM
How many of you are conflicted over your football fandom?

I am. Football is king in Madison, and I have such great memories--formative experiences--related to the football program. Nonetheless, I wouldn't let my kids play football and in every game I watch now I have moments that I cringe and think, "this isn't right." But I'm still watching, though consistently less than I was...

Curious to know if any of you are in that boat?
Can't say that I am conflicted. Most of my boys played football and I still have one in High School that plays football. He had a concussion in the 8th grade and again in the 10th grade. I told him one more and he is done. Played all of last year without one. His problem is he is a running back and when he is about to be contacted he lowers his head been trying to break him of that habit for years. I know that football is the only reason he tries to get passing grades in school, so I am thankful in a way for football.

I also spend every Friday night in the fall officiating high school football. I love the game too much to be conflicted.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 06, 2019, 03:15:29 PM
Nope.  
Before the science was out, you knew it was a dangerous sport.
After the science came out, you knew it was a dangerous sport.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 06, 2019, 05:09:21 PM
The wife informed me she likes cruises (which surprises me a bit).  She's been on two, one was fabulous, western Med similar to what badger did, and the other was mediocre, western Caribbean including Cuba.  Anyway, I made reservations for an Alaska cruise in September.  She saw some helo tour that includes dog sledding, I think I can talk her out of that one, over $600 per.  Nyet.  I have never set foot in Canada oddly enough.  

We're headed to France for 3 weeks in May, touring Brittany for part of that with friends who are Bretons.  And she wants to go to Hawaii again over Christmas, I'm thinking more Hilton Head where we can drive and invite any kids who can come.  Is it just me or did airline tickets get 30% more expensive?

I don't have any burning desire to "see every state" but I am close, but North Dakota is one of the missing 4 (after Alaska).

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 06, 2019, 05:29:41 PM
I don't have any burning desire to "see every state" but I am close, but North Dakota is one of the missing 4 (after Alaska).
I have a burning desire to see Alaska. I feel like ever since I read an online diary of a motorcycle rider and his travails as he left Northern California and rode up through OR, WA, Canada and into Alaska, that it's a place I need to see. 
Sounds like you're doing a little better than me, though... Counting Alaska, there are still 9 states I haven't been to. Along with Alaska, I really want to see some Big Sky country [Idaho, Montana, North Dakota]...
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 06, 2019, 05:33:52 PM
Montana is a favorite state of mine, in addition to Idaho.  Eastern Montana is as boring as Kansas though.

I am missing VT, NH, CT, and RI, plus ND.  I've lived in only three states, GA, NC, OH.

I am a bit "eh" on cruises.  Some good things, some mediocre things.  We did a river cruise in Germany with a group but the boat was sort of second tier, I thought, not like Viking, or the higher end types, but it was cheap.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 06, 2019, 05:56:20 PM
I've never been on a cruise, and I just can't imagine myself enjoying it. When I vacation I want to go out and experience life where I'm visiting, not go out and have a carefully "resort-ified" experience where everything is managed. 

I'm missing VT, RI, and DE on the East Coast, and to be honest I can't imagine any possible reason I'd have to tick those off the list. 

(https://i.gifer.com/9N1Y.gif)

I've only lived in 4 states, but given that it was IL, IN, CA, and GA, it was a pretty diverse experience ;-) 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 06, 2019, 06:40:38 PM
Can't say that I am conflicted. 

 I love the game too much to be conflicted.
If I had boys I'd encourage them to play football, wouldn't push them.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 06, 2019, 06:43:03 PM
I've been on two cruise ships.  Enjoyed it much more than I expected.

Always thought I'd get to Alaska.  Don't know that I will now.

North Dakota is a great place to visit, just not this time of the season.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on February 06, 2019, 07:12:23 PM
I think North Dakota and West Virginia are the only two states I haven't been to, but I haven't truly visited a bunch more. And even the ones I've visited, there is so much more to see--even California, where I've lived most of my life. Michigan is a good example of one I haven't really visited: I've been there in one respect or another several times, but I've never spent the night, and I've never "seen" anything in Michigan.

I've lived in California, Wisconsin, Tennessee (on the border with Kentucky--drove in Kentucky nearly every day I lived there), and Texas, though saying I've lived in Texas is like saying I've been to Michigan. I had my own place there for a total of about 9 months, on an Army post in El Paso.

I can imagine what makes cruises great, but I'm a little too private to think I'd enjoy being on vacation with a bunch of strangers.   
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on February 06, 2019, 07:13:11 PM
I've been stuck on 49 for awhile now.  Alaska awaits.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 06, 2019, 08:10:26 PM
There are states I don't care to visit. Been to many. The whole PAC and Big Sky. The whole Midwest. Only been to GA and FL in the "South". Been to Texas and most of the East Coast. Hawaii every 5 years or so. Never been to NYC (!).



For those who don't think they like cruises (and for those who do not have kids), I'd say to try this one out:



https://www.azamaraclubcruises.com/



It's the only line we use, and the only line we will ever use.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 07, 2019, 05:58:00 AM
That's why I am surprised the wife likes cruises.  She is a very quiet private kind of person.  The ship we were on in the Med had 4600 passengers and 2600 crew, the Norwegian Epic, which is surely was.  At dock, it was like a long skyscraper, 16 decks tall.  We had a nice balcony suite which worked, she said don't bother without a balcony.

We were able to find spaces where few others went, even restaurants that were relatively not crowded.  I was amused by the casinos they have on each ship, obviously a money maker for them.  Ha.  The last one we bought a fitness package and did that every morning, which kind of worked out for us.  This one had a rather different "clientel" than the one in Europe, same cruise line.

Anyway, I'll report back about Alaska etc.  D'you know the capitol of Alaska?  Yes it is.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 07, 2019, 08:03:25 AM
4600 people?!? No thanks.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 07, 2019, 08:20:44 AM
That ship pretty much swallowed them up, only certain areas like the pool decks were crowded.  As I say, I'm surprised the wife liked it, but she did, so we're going back.

I don't care for crowds and noise myself (other than at CFB games I reckon).  I had a strong notion to do more river cruises as a way to see central Europe, but my one experience was not the greatest.  Like everything, if I pay more I probably get a better experience.  That ship was crowded and the berths were quite small.  It had nowhere really where one could get away from the crowds, and it had around 150 passengers.

The tours they had arranged were also largely boring.  We walked away from most of them after a third was done and did our own thing.  The tours were included in the price on that adventure, which was a group deal, all French speaking folks.  In Germany.  The wife did not like that one, I had to encourage her to do the western Med cruise, which she loved.   Some things are unexpected.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 07, 2019, 08:31:13 AM
Yeah, we are very selective when it comes to excursions. I find that I can do my own research and see what I want to see, on my own schedule. The line we use tends to stay in port much longer than most, with many being overnight stops. This gives you more time to do what you want. On the last one we hired a driver a couple times, to take us around and show us what we wanted to see, and also what they thought was important, as locals. That was pretty cool.


This line has 3 identical ships. 700 passengers (max) with 410 crew. No casino (yay for that!), no mascots, no water slides. No assigned eating times. No tipping. No out of pocket (or bill at the end). It's truly all-inclusive, unless you want premium booze, which, of course, I do. That's $15/day or so. Pretty sure they lose their ass on me.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 07, 2019, 08:42:29 AM
It's sort of interesting to me that the pools are consistently the most crowded area on a ship, as in packed.  Most are "sun bathing" and drinking.  Folks, you can do that at home easily enough in most cases.  The main pool will be amidships and often we'd want to go forward or aft and would try and do that on a lower deck.  We brought our suits and never used them.  They had a pretty nice basketball court above the largest poll that I used a bit playing around, often it was empty.  And yes, I can shoot hoops around here also.

I don't quite get the notion of shedding clothing in order to expose more skin (an Americans on cruise ships have a lot of skin) to radiation.  Folks who are scared of a nuclear power plant 100 miles away think nothing of "sun bathing" with the largest nuclear furnace in the neighborhood bearing down on them creating all sorts of free radicals.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 07, 2019, 09:14:38 AM
I'm not a pool sitter at all. I've only been in one on these ships one time. There is generally nobody in them, save for the occasional hot tub visit.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 07, 2019, 11:01:05 AM
I sometimes sit by the pool because that is where my daughters want to be

I wear my shorts and golf shirt, hat and sandals.  Never get in the water.  But, they will bring drinks.  It's fine for relaxing and people watching.

This is the same at a resort or on a ship.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 07, 2019, 11:43:31 AM
I'm not a pool sitter at all. I've only been in one on these ships one time. There is generally nobody in them, save for the occasional hot tub visit.

I sometimes sit by the pool because that is where my daughters want to be

I wear my shorts and golf shirt, hat and sandals.  Never get in the water.  But, they will bring drinks.  It's fine for relaxing and people watching.

This is the same at a resort or on a ship.
Sitting in the sun, on a beach or at a pool, is my own personal hell. 
I could get behind being well-shaded under an umbrella, reading a book, with people regularly bringing me adult beverages. I could get behind actually being IN water. 
But just lounging by the pool/beach? In the heat with the sun beating down on me? Hell no, I won't go.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Entropy on February 07, 2019, 11:58:28 AM
I've been on 14 cruises and going on another in March.   We like waking up in different places each day and while we enjoy people, the ships allow you to also spread out.   Mostly we like the flexibility.   If I want to be active or explore a city/country... I can.  If I want to sit back and read a book, I can.   Plus, I like food.   We've found the food on Cruises to be better than resorts that are reasonably priced.  Please note, that is not the buffet's but the evening dinning.   Buffet's are pretty universal...
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Entropy on February 07, 2019, 12:00:53 PM
The luxury we have in 2019 is the variety of options for vacations.   People can choose and meet their preferences.   For some, that is cruising.  For others, it would be renting a house on an island or in mexico.    We are fortunate..
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 07, 2019, 12:29:37 PM
The luxury we have in 2019 is the variety of options for vacations.   People can choose and meet their preferences.   For some, that is cruising.  For others, it would be renting a house on an island or in mexico.    We are fortunate..
Bear in mind, I'm not criticizing cruises or the people who go on them. Just saying I can't imagine it being my thing. 
I like going to a city and walking around exploring. My wife always complains that she needs to buy new sneakers for every vacation because I'm going to "walk her to death". When we went to Europe last year, my step tracker said we walked 80 miles overall, with several days individually over 10 miles. I'll admit that's not for everyone either lol...
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Riffraft on February 07, 2019, 12:39:04 PM
Heading on a cruise in 4 weeks. I must confess I enjoy the people watching on the ship, almost always entertaining. Also like the drink package as well as unlimited food. Don't generally do many "planned" excursions, but will get off the ship and just explore.

Definitely good bang for the buck.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 07, 2019, 01:24:34 PM
Bear in mind, I'm not criticizing cruises or the people who go on them. Just saying I can't imagine it being my thing.

I couldn't imagine it being my thing either, but I was pleasantly surprised.
first cruise was 25 years or so ago.  Went with the girlfriend's dental office.  Had to pay my way.  Their were about a dozen of us, mostly in our 20s, and we had people to experience the day or evening with or not.  Everyone got along very well.
last cruise was a few years ago with my two teenage daughters.  I enjoyed spending the time with them and let them do the choosing on our schedule each day and evening.  I was just along for the ride.
Both times, I thought being cooped up on a ship for long periods of time would be boring and brutal, but it wasn't at all.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 07, 2019, 02:13:10 PM
Norwegian's dinners are decent, not great, but acceptable.  Glasses of wine are free if you have the drink package.  A bottle it NOT free however.  You can drink four glasses free but not a bottle for free.  We usually do one or two dinners in their upscale restaurants and I'd call them pretty good overall, and you get a break on the price.  They are equivalent I'd say to a local place that would be $80-100 per couple (no wine).  They charge about $40.  They also are more intimate and with better more attentive service of course.

One can of course pay more and get a more exclusive cruise line and likely enjoy it more.  

The wife has a good friend in Yakima so we're staying after the cruise and exploring a bit and driving down there which is near wine country.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Entropy on February 07, 2019, 04:46:02 PM
We've done 5 Princess Cruises in the past (before kids), one Carnival for a friends wedding and 5 Disney Cruises and now going on Royal Caribbean.    Actually adding these up we are on #12, not 14.   

While I'm not a Disney park fan (one and done for me), the family really enjoys the cruises.   I actually think they've been the best so far as well.   More expensive than the others we've been on or will be going on in March, but food/service/entertainment is great.  Kids love it too.   Every night was a rush from dinner to the kids clubs.  We'd pick them up at midnight.  It was date night for my wife and I every night on the cruise.   
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 07, 2019, 09:34:10 PM
We will be using Azamara again at the end of April, for a cruise out of Civitavecchia, to Venice. It's 8 nights with a lot of stops. Much different than the Trans-Atlantic we just did in November.
 
 
I really like sea days. Not a lot of decisions to make on those. I was also able to work 1/2 days on that trip, so I only burned a week out of the 7 weeks I get per year.
 
 
I figured we better see Venice before it's gone. A nice German couple we met on the last one will be picking us up in port and show us a good time at their place in Peschiera del Garda. Then we take a train to Florence, and then to Rome. Then plane to home.
 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 07, 2019, 09:36:24 PM
sea days are for relaxation

should be some of that while on vacation
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 07, 2019, 10:05:09 PM
Limo comes at 5:30AM tomorrow. Florida beckons. Good to get out of this windy 5 degrees crap. I'll be back on Monday, but I'm sure I'll check in with you knuckleheads over the weekend.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 07, 2019, 10:12:50 PM
enjoy
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 07, 2019, 10:39:24 PM
But of course. 


Our German friends (met them on the Trans Atlantic cruise) are picking us up at FLL, and we start at one of my favorite joints. Rustic Inn, in Fort Lauderdale. Can't beat the crab there.


Just went out to smoke a Swisher with a little Jonhnie Red. That lasted about a minute. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on February 07, 2019, 10:58:02 PM
Yeah, 62 degrees earlier today (we had a 2 hour school delay for freaking fog), now the wind is howling and it on its way to 12.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 07, 2019, 11:33:53 PM
haven't been to Fort Lauderdale since the 95 Orange Bowl, my cousin lived there

good times on the intercoastal at a bar called Bootlegger
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 07, 2019, 11:50:18 PM
Also gonna meet some "friends" on the Great Loop next month, in Key West. 



I'm gonna pilot their boat for a few weeks. USCG Master Captain JPM (me), and all that.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 08, 2019, 09:01:08 AM
are they paying you to be the Chauffeur?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 08, 2019, 09:39:42 AM
I took my kids on a Carnival cruise way back and they had a blast.

Norwegian is slightly "upscale" and has fewer kids.  

We hit 80°F here yesterday which broke the record by 6°F, which is quite a bit.  It was actually kind hot walking fast outside.

Cooler today of course but still nice.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 08, 2019, 10:19:29 AM
In the middle of our very own frigid stretch here in SoCal. It dropped to/below 32 the other night, and the locals on Facebook were all talking about how to get the frost/ice off their windshields. Had couple days with lows in the mid-30s and highs in the mid-50s, and as I say this it's only 39 right now with a high of 61 predicted today.

Looks like a lot of rain and chilly weather the next week or so as well, with highs most days in the mid-50s. But it doesn't look like we should revisit the same lows--only one day in the next week is forecast for the low to dip below 40.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 08, 2019, 10:29:36 AM
Only 9 below here this morning with 25 mph winds - blustery

I'm staying in the office 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 08, 2019, 10:32:15 AM
I check the weather every AM in Cincinnati and chuckle and tell the wife.  I'm done with it, absolutely done.  We might hit 20°F here at night a few times, rarely into the teens.

I don't like being house bound because of the cold.  I want to get out even if I have to put on a coat.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 08, 2019, 10:48:58 AM
I don't mind the cold... One of the ideas I toy with is moving to Colorado which would mean winter. But it's not like Chicago winter. 

There's a difference between Colorado, where you might get cold and freezing temps for a few days, but then it warms up to 40 and the snow melts. In Chicago, you get a polar vortex and the temps go sub-zero, and then a "heat wave" comes and you get highs of 20 for a few days. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 08, 2019, 11:10:36 AM
Cincy seemed to have gray skies all through winter as well as the cold.  Here it is sunny if it is cold, or even like today a trifle chilly.

I can get out and run in the park with a very light sweater or jacket and take it off.  In Cincy, I would not see the neighbors for weeks at a time unless I was out with the snow blower.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on February 08, 2019, 11:32:11 AM
We had actual snow in the Bay Area in the hills during the last week. It was about 1/16 of an inch and of course it didn't last the morning sunshine, but it was there. No doubt my Midwestern friends have little sympathy for our cold snap.

California has had good rainfall in January and early February, which is critical to avoiding drought years. This is good.

Badge, we were in Venice and Rome last summer. Amazing. We weren't in Venice very long--didn't feel like we needed to stay long to appreciate it for what it is. One thing it is is decaying. Still amazing. Piazza San Marco and the buildings around it are quite impressive.

I'm sure everyone who has been has their own take on Rome. The history is worth it. Strongly recommend a private tour if you hit the Vatican. Otherwise I think it could easily overwhelm. There's just so much to see that without some guidance, it would be easy to be buried in all of it. Our favorite day there was the Colusseum, Forum, and Palatine Hill. I was also moved by the Pantheon. Best meal was in a total dive in which my cannelloni came out after my whole family had finished their meals; it was to die for.

I didn't care much about the paintings in the Borghese Gallery, but the marble statues there are nothing short of incredible. A must see if you are into the art.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on February 08, 2019, 04:08:02 PM
37 degrees and sleeting here.  Definitely not golf weather today...
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 08, 2019, 05:30:43 PM
brother went to San Anton to escape the weather
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 08, 2019, 06:17:51 PM
In the middle of our very own frigid stretch here in SoCal. It dropped to/below 32 the other night, and the locals on Facebook were all talking about how to get the frost/ice off their windshields. Had couple days with lows in the mid-30s and highs in the mid-50s, and as I say this it's only 39 right now with a high of 61 predicted today.

Looks like a lot of rain and chilly weather the next week or so as well, with highs most days in the mid-50s. But it doesn't look like we should revisit the same lows--only one day in the next week is forecast for the low to dip below 40.
not the best golf weather on the monterey peninsula late this afternoon  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on February 08, 2019, 07:47:36 PM
not the best golf weather on the monterey peninsula late this afternoon  
Bet it's still purdy. Pebble is awfully nice.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 08, 2019, 07:53:49 PM
great area
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on February 09, 2019, 10:05:22 AM
Flying is kinda crappy. That’s what my stream of unconsciousness is saying. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on February 09, 2019, 04:55:36 PM
Took ten 10 year olds bowling for a birthday party today.  Offered the girls cash for getting pins outside the rake and converted splits.  Paid out 3 winners.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 10, 2019, 11:30:52 AM
I'm taking the oldest to the Omaha airport this afternoon, she's flying to Denver to see a concert.

If the roads are good I'll continue on to Lincoln to buy the youngest dinner and make sure her car is maintained

otherwise I'll be watching golf and removing the snow from the driveway
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Entropy on February 10, 2019, 11:47:16 AM
I've been trying to get my wife to take an Alaskan Cruise.   She thinks it is for old people.   I'd show her pictures of kids or activities we can do as a family but she has it in her head it is a retirement cruise.    

I want to do some of the glacier activities while I'm young enough to do them.    Plus, I've never been to Alaska.  I'd love to sit on a balcony and watch the landscape/ocean while sipping on a scotch.   
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on February 10, 2019, 12:12:50 PM
I want to do some of the glacier activities while I'm young enough to do them.  
That should be a good argument! I doubt many retirees try out crampons and ice axes.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 10, 2019, 12:19:41 PM
If I take another cruise it will probably be to Alaska
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on February 10, 2019, 07:46:32 PM
Bob Costas reveals he was pulled from the Super Bowl coverage last year for speaking about the concussion links to football.  Good look for the NFL, usually those on the right side of history are those who attempt to shut down any opposing views.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 11, 2019, 09:04:46 AM
Alaska is a bit hard to see without the cruise, doable of course but probably not in a week.  I view this as a recon mission in effect, seeing if there are places we'd like to see again.

We did that in the last cruise and came up with a Big Nope.  Havana was a dump, really worse than I expected.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on February 13, 2019, 11:45:41 AM
Very odd, Darius Rucker, Tiger Woods and the Stanley Cup all converging on one night at a dive bar in East Lansing.  He says Tiger was 18, which would put it at 1994, but no MSU players on the '94 Rangers.  But the '95 Devils had Danton Cole, who is now MSU's head coach.  So I'm going to say this was summer of 1995, and current MSU head coach Danton Cole was the MSU player who brought the trophy

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DzQhfKKUUAEp8B2.jpg:large)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MaximumSam on February 13, 2019, 12:19:24 PM
A few years ago my dad and brother and I rented an RV and tooled around the Kenai peninsula for a week.  Saw lots of neat stuff, and definitely realized I do not want to live in Alaska.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 13, 2019, 12:28:54 PM
great story about Darius, Tigger, and the Cup

nope, don't think I'd wanna live in Alaska, but certainly would like to visit and do some fishing
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 13, 2019, 12:57:40 PM
Ranking the Big Ten's Football Rosters for 2019

https://athlonsports.com/college-football/ranking-big-tens-football-rosters-2019 (https://athlonsports.com/college-football/ranking-big-tens-football-rosters-2019)

Below are the national recruiting ranking averages for Big Ten schools over the last five (2105-19) classes according to 247Sports' Composite Team Rankings and each team's record over the last five (2014-18) seasons. Obviously, this doesn't take into account attrition but, over time, this should be considered relatively even across the conference.

Ohio State remains the gold standard, but is that about to change?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 13, 2019, 05:09:28 PM
The SEC recruiting rankings and games won correlate very highly.  Miss State has done a bit better than their recruiting, and so has Florida (conference games won).

Interesting connection with Mullen there perhaps.  There is no "Wisconsin" in the SEC (duh).  

https://athlonsports.com/college-football/ranking-secs-football-rosters-2019

UGA is 19-11, which sound decent, but Bama is 37-3.  UGA is close to Bama in recruiting raw numbers, but not in wins.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on February 13, 2019, 06:48:31 PM

Ohio State remains the gold standard, but is that about to change?
The Horror
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on February 13, 2019, 06:54:17 PM
Bob Costas reveals he was pulled from the Super Bowl coverage last year for speaking about the concussion links to football.  Good look for the NFL, usually those on the right side of history are those who attempt to shut down any opposing views.
Ya Stalin,Hitler,Mao come to mind and truth be told the NFL just slithers about differently
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 13, 2019, 06:54:58 PM
Ranking the Big Ten's Football Rosters for 2019

https://athlonsports.com/college-football/ranking-big-tens-football-rosters-2019 (https://athlonsports.com/college-football/ranking-big-tens-football-rosters-2019)

Below are the national recruiting ranking averages for Big Ten schools over the last five (2105-19) classes according to 247Sports' Composite Team Rankings and each team's record over the last five (2014-18) seasons. Obviously, this doesn't take into account attrition but, over time, this should be considered relatively even across the conference.

Ohio State remains the gold standard, but is that about to change?
Ohio State has always recruited well, but Urban took them to another level. Time will tell if that can be sustained.
On another note, Wisconsin is recruiting better than it ever has (according to STARZ and all that).
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on February 13, 2019, 06:59:33 PM
great story about Darius, Tigger, and the Cup

nope, don't think I'd wanna live in Alaska, but certainly would like to visit and do some fishing
Can you imagine the smoked ribs on some Caribou or Moose.Or you could indulge yourself with the Inuit treat of 6 week old buried Salmon heads by the shore.You could even go out and swim with the Orca's
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on February 13, 2019, 07:02:32 PM
A few years ago my dad and brother and I rented an RV and tooled around the Kenai peninsula for a week.  Saw lots of neat stuff, and definitely realized I do not want to live in Alaska.
Don't want to do the Iditarod?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 13, 2019, 07:44:38 PM
Don't want to do the Iditarod?
I'd rather have my fingernails plucked out, one by one, by a savage beast, or an angry woman, over the course of ten days.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 13, 2019, 08:24:34 PM
Wisconsin now is a semi-helmet, they should up their recruiting as a result.  Were I an OL or RB, they'd make my short list.

QB too, perhaps, if I thought I was pretty good and only wanted to ride pine at Ohio State.  If Wisconsin can pull in just a few 4-5 star types, they could easily get into top ten every preseason.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 13, 2019, 08:41:41 PM
Can you imagine the smoked ribs on some Caribou or Moose.Or you could indulge yourself with the Inuit treat of 6 week old buried Salmon heads by the shore.You could even go out and swim with the Orca's
I can imagine Caribou and moose.  I've had some in the past.  not smoked ribs, but I'd rather stick with my corn-fed beef and pork
I'm guessing the salmon there is better than what I get in Iowa.  Heck the heads might be much better than the Iowa fillets
not much of a swimmer, current in the Missouri is too strong, otherwise landlubber
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 13, 2019, 08:57:28 PM
We like "steelhead trout", which is a kind of trout that thinks it salmon.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/salmon-or-trout-what-the-heck-is-a-steelhead-anyway-1.4461827

https://cooking.stackexchange.com/questions/61842/what-is-the-difference-between-atlantic-and-steelhead-farmed-salmon-in-taste-and

I just put'em skin side down on the grill for 8 minutes and done.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 13, 2019, 09:02:59 PM
I prefer to remove the skin and cook them on direct for 2.5 minutes per side. Best served with a vinaigrette sauce, with a side of pasta and veggies.



Ping me if you'd like a recipe. I get so much damn salmon... I have to create a lot of things.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 13, 2019, 09:04:24 PM
Steelhead Fishing Alaska | Alaska Steelhead Fly Fishing Trips (https://www.alaskasteelheadco.com/)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on February 13, 2019, 09:27:32 PM
this is a magic dish with salmon- give it a shot... takes no more than 20 minutes or so to prepare to perfection:

couscous
golden raisins
olive oil
butter
coconut milk OR canned pina colada 
salmon fillet
black pepper
capers
lemon or lemon juice
baby spinach
ginger sauce

set water to boil, add touch of oil and touch of butter and couscous along with a handful of golden raisins- adding one part short of water and adding coconut milk in it's place halfway through...  if you like it sweeter, replace coconut milk with pina colada mix- not the solid part, but the liquid.. this is too sweet for my taste but most really like it. 

lightly coat salmon filet in olive oil, add some butter to skillet, and saute with slightest amount of sea salt, peppers, and capers- a touch of lemon really sets it free.

in same skillet once fillet is done, remove it add baby spinach and saute it as well- wilting it.  add touch of sea salt to make it pop.  just a touch. 

make bed of couscous on plate, surround it with spinach, lay fillet over top- decorate with ginger sauce.  

i made this for my GF now Wife on our first Valentines Day, and I'm now required to do so every year... I don't mind, it's REALLY good. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on February 13, 2019, 09:35:12 PM
i used to own/operate a cigar shop- a dude adjacent my shop owned/operated a hair salon... he was as straight as an arrow though he didn't look it at all, and man-oh-man you should have seen the ladies he poured through... he also dabbled in music, playing in several bands and playing solo. he cut a record or two along the way.  he opened for hootie and the blowfish before they were hardly anything more than a college band playing the south carolina circuit.  my buddy needed an opening act so he called Darius.  They agreed- HatBF opened, and Matt came in behind them as the headliner... after the show Matt went looking for the manager to get paid, and found that Darius had taken off with the paycheck for both of them!! he was PISSED- as it turned out, HatBF played at that bar semi-regularly and the manager didn't think twice about it... He never got his money back from him, but at least they laughed about it some years later.  I don't know what happened to Matt, been years since i've seen him.  

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on February 13, 2019, 11:41:41 PM
Pretty sure I'd be asking Darius for the money, with 20+ years interest, right about now.  He can afford it. :)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on February 14, 2019, 12:47:19 AM
I'd rather have my fingernails plucked out, one by one, by a savage beast, or an angry woman, over the course of ten days.
Damn I can't even imagine the original thing dog sled teams relaying the Diphtheria Serum to the northern outpost of Nome in the 1920's.No nothing up there,dark,deathly frigid,no global warming,no help,no BBQ smokers,frozen beer,frozen coffee,frozen digits,talk about fuel line freeze up,get tough or die.Those were some rough mofos with a righteous resolve
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on February 14, 2019, 12:51:51 AM
Pretty sure I'd be asking Darius for the money, with 20+ years interest, right about now.  He can afford it. :)

Ed Zachery,for a guy with a soulful voice he doesn't appear to have one,even if he has gone country
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 14, 2019, 06:30:22 AM
Wisconsin now is a semi-helmet, they should up their recruiting as a result.  Were I an OL or RB, they'd make my short list.

QB too, perhaps, if I thought I was pretty good and only wanted to ride pine at Ohio State.  If Wisconsin can pull in just a few 4-5 star types, they could easily get into top ten every preseason.
They just got this one. Highest rated QB to ever pick UW. The staff worked their asses off to keep him in the fold, once the vultures started coming in. The good news is he's on campus already.

https://247sports.com/player/graham-mertz-46038869/

Helluva list of offers.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 14, 2019, 08:37:24 AM
Wisconsin's recruiting numbers would be expected to rise fairly dramatically in the next few years at least.

It's a case for how to build up a program somewhat mired in obscurity from back in the day.

It takes time.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 14, 2019, 08:41:13 AM
Wisconsin's recruiting numbers would be expected to rise fairly dramatically in the next few years at least.

It's a case for how to build up a program somewhat mired in obscurity from back in the day.

It takes time.
Yep. You'd think 6 conference titles in <20 years would have done it, but it didn't. They need to win another one soon, to maintain the momentum from good/great seasons and winning bowl games against other top schools.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 14, 2019, 08:57:38 AM
I ponder at times how programs like UNC and Illinois could get relevant again.  The Wisconsin model (and perhaps Stanford) seem obvious to me, but they just plod along, firing coaches and changing little or nothing beyond patina.

I know part of it is student apathy at both places, but I would guess Stanford student apathy is high also.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 14, 2019, 09:33:19 AM
Based on what I've noticed, a successful athletic (in particular football) program has to start with the school's overall leadership. 



For example, UW had Donna Shalala and she hired Pat Richter to lead the AD office. He then hired Alvarez. Her successors were also highly supportive, and still are. Another example is that Stanford's rise happened under John Hennessy, who was also very supportive of football. He hired Bob Bowlsby, who hired Harbaugh and then Shaw (Bowlsby also hired Kaptain Kirk while at Iowa). 



This support is a huge part of the deal.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 14, 2019, 09:55:21 AM
So, what sparks leadership having an interest in athletics?  It just happens?  Big Donors push for it?

Programs like UNC just seem to hire and fire with no discernible plan.  The team might win 9-10 games one year and then fall into mediocrity or worse and then the fire and hire again.  Maybe they need to fire and hire at a higher level.  Maybe it needs Big Donors, who may be lacking at Illinois.

Those two programs SHOULD be able to field decent teams consistently, one would think.  They are flagship universities in larger states.  UNC does have to compete with other in state programs like NCSU to a greater degree.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 14, 2019, 11:30:42 AM
Based on what I've noticed, a successful athletic (in particular football) program has to start with the school's overall leadership.

For example, UW had Donna Shalala and she hired Pat Richter to lead the AD office. He then hired Alvarez. Her successors were also highly supportive, and still are. Another example is that Stanford's rise happened under John Hennessy, who was also very supportive of football. He hired Bob Bowlsby, who hired Harbaugh and then Shaw (Bowlsby also hired Kaptain Kirk while at Iowa).

This support is a huge part of the deal.
So, what sparks leadership having an interest in athletics?  It just happens?  Big Donors push for it?

Programs like UNC just seem to hire and fire with no discernible plan.  The team might win 9-10 games one year and then fall into mediocrity or worse and then the fire and hire again.  Maybe they need to fire and hire at a higher level.  Maybe it needs Big Donors, who may be lacking at Illinois.

Those two programs SHOULD be able to field decent teams consistently, one would think.  They are flagship universities in larger states.  UNC does have to compete with other in state programs like NCSU to a greater degree.

I think the Purdue experience is somewhat instructive here. Purdue had a gigantic missed opportunity with Tiller. He revitalized the program. He made us relevant again. And the Athletic Department all the way up to the school president took it for granted, talking about how they didn't want to participate in the "arm's race" of college athletics. Morgan Burke liked taking the cheap way out, and the folks in power above him enjoyed that too, because I believe they thought that successful athletics was a distraction to the university, not a cause for celebration. 

Purdue was one of those schools where not only did we NOT fund any portion of our athletic budgets out of tuitions or student fees, but we actively required the athletic department pay the university a stipend each year for the honor of being associated with the "Purdue" name. I believe that we have ended the payment from the athletic department, but I believe we still operate entirely as a self-funded entity and don't take any money from tuition or student fees.

What happened? Tiller got fed up with the administration that wouldn't support him. Our facilities were at the bottom of the Big Ten. We didn't reinvest or even attempt to make it better. We went the bargain-basement hire for Danny Hope, we then pivoted and paid minimally competitive salary for Darrell Hazell, and all the while basically tried to short-change the football program in any way possible--which I'm sure was seen and recognized on the recruiting trail. 

As much as I think Hazell was a bad coach, I simultaneously recognize that he was largely put into a no-win situation, given that the university didn't support the program.

That's all changed. Morgan Burke was replaced by Mike Bobinski. Mitch Daniels is our university president, and as a politician he understands the value of perception and recognizes that athletic success excites and energizes the students and fans, and helps to keep the "Purdue" name relevant. 

So we got Brohm, and we've kept him not only due to giving him a highly competitive salary, I believe that he stuck around instead of going to Louisville because he believes deep down that the athletic department has his back, and will give him what he needs to be successful. Maybe that's never CFP, because we're still "just Purdue", but give him what he needs to make trips to the B1GCCG in December more than just a pipe dream. 

You have to have an AD, a President, a Board of Trustees, all on board with athletic success. Because it's a competitive race on the recruiting trail, and kids aren't going to go to a school where they believe their coaches are led by people who penny-wise and pound-foolish. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on February 14, 2019, 11:42:41 AM
Wisconsin's recruiting numbers would be expected to rise fairly dramatically in the next few years at least.

It's a case for how to build up a program somewhat mired in obscurity from back in the day.

It takes time.
Probably not.
The states it’s in doesn’t project to get more talented. The states around it don’t either. Maybe it makes the jump to pulling four stars from Jersey/Florida like OSU or Michigan, but most likely, it’ll be what it is.
The great secret of CFB is it’s mostly static, with a few weird shifts here and there. UW pulled one of those. It’s unlikely to jump to being a national recruiter without another. Such is life. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 14, 2019, 11:46:07 AM
Actually, the talent in Wisconsin really is getting better. You can tell because of the schools you see sniffing around up there.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 14, 2019, 11:56:27 AM
I bet we see more out of state recruits going to Wisconsin, and some out of region as well.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 14, 2019, 11:59:22 AM
Two dudes are here today installing the kitchen cabinets, first time I have seen them outside the show room.  They look nice and slide/open well, which is good.

Probably take tomorrow to finish up, and then we'll just need countertops and back splash and hookups.



Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 14, 2019, 01:24:05 PM
I bet we see more out of state recruits going to Wisconsin, and some out of region as well.


Last cycle (2019) had 19 kids. 3 are from Wisconsin.

This new cycle has 6 commits, and 5 are from Wisconsin. There are a couple more out there who may come in, but for the most part, UW has relied on the East Coast and Florida for a very long time, and that will continue. I also suspect the STARZ will rise a little too, like they did for 2019 and so far for 2020.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 14, 2019, 01:30:49 PM
UGA has a large recruiting advantage over most programs that is inherent.  There is no other Big Time program in the state (though there are just over the line of course).  HS football is turning out a slew of athletes.  Quite a few are disposed to staying local.  They don't "need" to go out of state very often.

They really should be doing better on the field, and I've thought that for a long time now.  I guess "almost" is somewhat better.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 14, 2019, 01:42:19 PM
Heh. No other major program. I like it.



Is most of the talent centered around Atlanta?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 14, 2019, 01:53:00 PM
The metro area has over 6 million people and the entire state has 10 million, so yes.

And many of the rural programs are not well funded etc.  Valdosta is a hot spot down south.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 14, 2019, 09:40:21 PM
Places like Champagn and Chapel Hill have an obvious first step:  keep your in-state kids.  I know Florida has had a pipeline into Charlotte the last 15 years or so, signing a handful of top-end guys from there.  I assume other top southern schools have had their share as well.  
It's more unfair for Illinois to lock down their state, because if you're a Chicago-area kid, I assume you're either a ND/UM/OSU talent or not.  And if you're not, there's UW, MSU, Iowa in that next tier.  



If you're a sleeping giant, don't you eventually have to wake up?  It took Florida 60 years to wake up, but when we did, we proved Bear Bryant right.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 14, 2019, 09:44:46 PM
Heh. No other major program. I like it.



Is most of the talent centered around Atlanta?
Even more so than the city of Atlanta (inside the loop), the Atlanta suburbs are FERTILE.  Marietta, Conyers/Lithonia, Alpharetta, Norcross.....legit dudes every year.
And yes, if you're getting a kid from the rest of the state, he's going to be a hayseed.  A man-child, but still a hayseed.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 15, 2019, 07:59:21 AM
The metro area population is mostly outside the loop (I-285).  Atlanta city proper has a population under 500,000.  I'd guess inside the loop adds another half million, mostly Dekalb County.  So, 5/6ths of Atlanta metro pop is outside the loop.  Those suburban schools take HS football seriously in the main.

UGA should have been better than they were given that talent situation, but of course programs like Auburn/Clemson/FSU and others prey in GA football recruits effectively.

UGA is kind of the reverse of Wisconsin, always higher in recruiting rankings than in final rankings.  They currently have more 5 star players on the roster than any program in the country.  Anyway, I'd judge THIS year's edition their most talented team ever, returning OL intact mostly, QB with two years experience, some very high level running backs, and solid defense and special teams.  Of course, it comes down to 2 or 3 close games that could go either way.

They play Notre Dame and A&M at home this year and Auburn on the road, Florida as usual.  They "should" demolish everyone else.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 15, 2019, 08:04:24 AM
About half the new cabinets are in place, some adjustments still needed, no major wrinkles.  Hope to get stove in place today, maybe, and operational?  I assume I need to fire up the oven with nothing in it for a while first.

The doors and sliders seem to work well, most of the cabinets have drawers inside.  Design looks to be fine, look is what wife wanted, plain gloss white with no hardware.  The sink won't be in for a while though.  I really miss having a sink.  We're washing dishes in the half bath small sink.

Took wife out to local French restaurant.  Their service suffers on days like this one.  They have to bring in extras who are not as well trained.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 15, 2019, 08:17:39 AM
I remember being excited when the cabinets were going in. That took a few days, and then NOTHING happened for about 10 days after. The counter guy would not measure until the cabinets were in, which I understood. But the 10 days from the measure to the install were long. I think maybe he was too busy.


After counter install, it was only a matter of a few more days to completion, with backsplash, lighting, sink, etc.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 15, 2019, 09:53:21 AM
Yeah, the slab of quartz is already bought.  It's now measure and cut and hope it's right.  The back splash is the same quartz apparently.

I can see that taking a week or so.  After that the final push.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 15, 2019, 04:07:59 PM
We met this couple who are friends with the wife at Cheesecake Factory for lunch, a place I found to be typical of chains, boring, edible, but boring.  Anyway, every story they tell starts out "We know a lawyer who is about 50, maybe 55, or maybe not ..." "Are you talking about Bill?"  "No, Doug, how old is he?"  "I don't know, but I do know Bill just turned 55.  Doug is older I think."  "Maybe he is 58 t"en.  Anyway, Doug's son who is about 30..."  "No, Jim is 34."  " I didn't know he was 34.  Anyway, his son Jim was on vacation on a cruise, I think it was a Carnival Cruise ..."  "No, it was Norwegian, I think.".

It becomes painful, but it's over.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 15, 2019, 04:19:05 PM
It becomes painful, but it's over.
There is that one certain beauty of having lunch at a chain, with people you'd rather not be with. Lunch goes really fast at chains.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 15, 2019, 04:29:32 PM
https://www.ajc.com/blog/mark-bradley/eason-and-fields-the-before-and-after-transfer-wise/9XdjquddlXc8gn7MTHf3BJ/

AJC perspective on Fields and Eason.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 18, 2019, 04:04:55 PM
Off for President's Day today, so I'm making beer... Just a simple hoppy blonde ale, since I have basically run dry of homebrew...

Given the holiday, my thanks to Jimmy Carter who signed the bill in 1978 making this legal. I'd probably do it anyway if it were illegal, but it's certainly better that it is lol...

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Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 18, 2019, 04:08:42 PM
I'm thinking you should also give a shout out to Jimmy's brother Billy.

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Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 18, 2019, 04:34:12 PM
I'm thinking you should also give a shout out to Jimmy's brother Billy.

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Well, honestly I tend not to glorify presidents. I recognize that the hard work was done by a lot of people to even get a legalization bill in front of Congress, and Congress had to pass it. All Jimmy had to do was sign it. 
But in our world, for that he gets the credit for doing it, right? 
(I do highlight that I was born in 1978, so I know there's something about this "Billy Beer" thing, but I don't really know much about Billy Carter. I barely know anything about Jimmy Carter. I actually went to the Reagan Library on Saturday, which was really interesting because although I "grew up" with him as President, I was 10 at the end of his term, so it's hard to say that I have any real conception of Reagan...)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on February 18, 2019, 08:00:28 PM
Cabinets going in fast now and a few counters.   Though the showstopper were the beams in the living room ceiling this past week

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Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 18, 2019, 08:05:49 PM
Speaking of Unconsiousness...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sccD0Uvz6Rg
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 18, 2019, 08:18:26 PM
Well, honestly I tend not to glorify presidents. I recognize that the hard work was done by a lot of people to even get a legalization bill in front of Congress, and Congress had to pass it. All Jimmy had to do was sign it.
But in our world, for that he gets the credit for doing it, right? 
presidents are like QBs, get more credit or blame than they deserve
if "our world"  is anything like what I see on facebook....... credit is shoveled to whomever suits your cause
some would credit congress or another source, some would credit the president
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 19, 2019, 12:08:49 AM
Uhh, someone wanna tell ESPN that AAFL football is a sport and should be covered by them?  Petty PoS.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on February 19, 2019, 12:27:24 AM
Uhh, someone wanna tell ESPN that AAFL football is a sport and should be covered by them?  Petty PoS.
They stopped covering the NHL the day they dropped covering it, so I'm not sure why anyone expected them to cover this.  In fairness, do they cover MiLB or the G League either?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 19, 2019, 12:51:47 AM
They're ripe for a rival to dominate...if a new channel came out that was what ESPN used to be, it would be #1.  Tractor pulls at 2am, and actual sports coverage instead of deliberately foolish talking heads.

Sigh.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 19, 2019, 07:45:35 AM
Aussie Rules Football.  Some channel could cover some of those odd events and get folks watching a bit.  I have 200-300 "channels" on my TV, many of them shopping channels, amazing how many, and I rarely find anything worth watching.  BBC America has occasional nature shows I like.  The History Channel is history.

Maybe it says something about American tastes in TV?

I'd note also having a show with two dudes talking about sports is pretty inexpensive in terms of filling time.

We must have 35 channels of just music, fortunately 2 are classic music which I usually put on during dinner.

The cabinets are almost all installed and looking good, or the wife likes them anyway.  I think they are fine, pricier than I would have done but whatever.  They do have tongue and groove joinings and a lot of roll out drawers.  The "ventless" range hoof has a vent.  The installers were puzzled by that one.  Well, the air has to go somewhere.  That was expensive, and I think they are nearly useless.  It has a carbon filter of rather dubious efficacy.

I don't mind the smell of cooking unless something burns.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on February 19, 2019, 09:34:13 AM
AAF nearly missed payroll.  That would get espns attn.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 19, 2019, 12:02:51 PM
They're ripe for a rival to dominate...if a new channel came out that was what ESPN used to be, it would be #1.  Tractor pulls at 2am, and actual sports coverage instead of deliberately foolish talking heads.

Sigh.
You know, I think this is a very popular take, but don't you think that if ESPN could make more money showing actual sports than talking heads, they'd be doing it? 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 19, 2019, 12:44:28 PM
You know, I think this is a very popular take, but don't you think that if ESPN could make more money showing actual sports than talking heads, they'd be doing it?

Yes, but it's about cost of quality vs that extra dollar or two gained.  
Like the news channels/websites - they could provide prudent news stories and report down the center, but don't because x-number of addition people tune in/click stories that are sensation and/or make them either outrages or affirmed.  News outlets could make money not doing that - they could have a successful business not doing that, but at the expense of un-informing our electing populace, they don't...for a few extra dollars.
ESPN could put prudent, reasonable people on their morning shows and show actual sports at the expense of a few dollars...but they don't.  
Hey, maybe the mouth-breathing, unsavory masses shouldn't be the ones dictating the content we're all exposed to.....but that's crazy talk, right?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 19, 2019, 12:54:16 PM
I'm not a fan of our economy type...it's leading to something and it's going to have a really ugly ending...like inner-ring of a black hole - ugly.  

I'm not calling for Bernie Sanders to be made supreme ruler tomorrow or anything, but yes, the income inequality of our country is obscene.  Many conservatives who want to go back to the good ole days of the 50s might be surprised by the buying power back then compared to now.  CEOs weren't paid like gods back then.  Exponential growth isn't feasible on a long timeline.  Perpetual growth isn't feasible.  Monopolization is inevitable.  Hell, it's basically here already.  

The modern music industry is basically catered to what 14 year old girls like.  Well, ESPN's programming is catered to some similarly inept population.

Maybe that's not a great long-term plan.  Maybe it is.  But for those of us possessing prudence, it's basically something to avoid.  We can't compete with the toothless masses.

It's funny, but name something in which poor people having far greater buying power than the super rich.  Lottery tickets.  Used cars.  Rich people could have greater buying power, but they didn't get rich by throwing their money away.  
ESPN is catering to lottery ticket buyers.  It's gross.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on February 19, 2019, 01:01:24 PM
You know, I think this is a very popular take, but don't you think that if ESPN could make more money showing actual sports than talking heads, they'd be doing it?

Or that FS1 would have launched as that sort of alternative?  Instead they decided it made financial sense to be #2 doing the same thing ESPN was doing than being the best at what we all claim to want.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 19, 2019, 01:14:04 PM
Hey, maybe the mouth-breathing, unsavory masses shouldn't be the ones dictating the content we're all exposed to.....but that's crazy talk, right?
Hey, I'm the guy who quit politically blogging after getting burned out watching reasoned discourse lose out in the market because most readers don't go past the headline  or if you're lucky, the first paragraph. 
But giving the masses what they want is always an easier business model than telling them what they're supposed to want. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 19, 2019, 01:35:20 PM
The wife wanted to drive back out to the countertop place after seeing how the cabinets look in the kitchen.  She changed from almost white countertops to almost black.  The cabinets are shiny white, so I was happy for this.  The rain really picked up coming back and the roads were bad, flooding in some areas, and a lot of accidents.

We were out west of town to see the quartz and I drove a bit further to check out a state park that had a mill that Sherman destroyed, and he collected all the mill workers and sent them to Kentucky as prisoners of war.  The ruins are still there but you have to take a trail to see them, and it was pouring by then.

Nice looking park though.

https://gastateparks.org/sweetwatercreek

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on February 19, 2019, 02:09:25 PM
Or that FS1 would have launched as that sort of alternative?  Instead they decided it made financial sense to be #2 doing the same thing ESPN was doing than being the best at what we all claim to want.
Agree with these points.  I only tune in to ESPN for live sports broadcasts, and even that has become more and more rare.  But people like me are clearly the minority, because losing me as a customer obviously hasn't affected their business model even one bit.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 19, 2019, 02:10:22 PM
You're going to like the black on white. This was my kitchen.


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Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on February 19, 2019, 02:25:20 PM
Agree with these points.  I only tune in to ESPN for live sports broadcasts, and even that has become more and more rare.  But people like me are clearly the minority, because losing me as a customer obviously hasn't affected their business model even one bit.
Yeah, ESPN used to have a whole spectrum of in game PBP and color guys.  Some you loved, some you hated, but the fact that you could talk to different people, and they would have different ones they liked/hated was evidence that their personalities ran the gamut, and some struck different chords with different fans.  Now, the only guys they have with personalities are the guys everyone hates, and everyone else is bland and forgettable.  Because bland and forgettable doesn't get offered a pay raise to leave.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on February 19, 2019, 03:09:10 PM
Hey, I'm the guy who quit politically blogging after getting burned out watching reasoned discourse lose out in the market because most readers don't go past the headline  or if you're lucky, the first paragraph.
But giving the masses what they want is always an easier business model than telling them what they're supposed to want.
That last part is correct. Paying to produce the lumberjack games isn’t attracting anyone. At best it changes your corporate perception, but the secret is when you’re on top like that, there’s not much way to get good perception. 
In the battle of random events vs talking heads, good G5 football is regularly brushed aside and rankings are oft discussed. Simply put, we like talking about what we like more than exploring something different. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 19, 2019, 03:32:31 PM
Yeah,  the black quartz is not flat black, it has some speckles in it.  The cabinets are really white with no hardware externally.  The backsplash is a veined white quartz.

I think it'll work.  

I saw three recent accidents on the freeway coming back.  The downtown connector was coded red so I went around.  The backstreets I took had flooding in several places.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Entropy on February 19, 2019, 03:33:03 PM
CBS Sports has been showing a lot of sports ESPN passes on... for those looking for sports rather than talk. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 19, 2019, 04:04:54 PM
Hey, maybe the mouth-breathing, unsavory masses shouldn't be the ones dictating the content we're all exposed to.....but that's crazy talk, right?
the unwashed masses also vote on our political leaders.... ya see what candidates this produces
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 19, 2019, 04:22:46 PM
I was all set to cut the cord after FB season, but they chopped my price down to $50/month. That's 1/3 of what I was paying, and I get internet along with hundreds of channels including dozens of sports networks. I said I'll stay.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 19, 2019, 06:33:17 PM
I showed the wife the black on white kitchen photo and she liked it.  It is pretty similar to our kitchen.  The new stove is solid black, it's an inductive type.  The back splash is different.  You should come visit.

The floor is some kind of wood plank on concrete, looks like maple.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 19, 2019, 07:09:43 PM
Cool. I'll take that as an offer. Another kitchen shot for you to show her. I do miss that kitchen. Galley's are so much more functional to cook in than other layouts. They really are. I miss the wine rack too.


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Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MichiFan87 on February 19, 2019, 09:57:39 PM
Since politics has been brought up, living in DC, now, I'm just glad the government didn't shut down, again. The first time around the city was basically dead for a month (albeit the holidays and winter weather were part of the reason). Not to get too political, but it seems that most people here are at least moderate (or at least not supporters of #45).... It'll be interesting to see who all decides to run against him on both sides. I'm a fan of Jay Inslee (WA's governor) for his strong stance on clean energy, but he's probably not viable due to lack of name recognition. And for the record, I favor most of the Green New Deal in principle, but parts of it just aren't realistic even if Democrats take over the government in 2020.

In other news, I'm finally seriously pursuing a relationship for the first time in my life since I finally have some stability in my career, and I can use all the dating advice I can get. I had my first real date of my life a week ago, which didn't go so well, but we just didn't really connect on anything despite having some common interests and being like-minded (I didn't do anything stupid, though)..... Today I connected with someone else online through Bumble (which seems to work better than OKCupid and other sites since the woman has to initiate the conversation), and she's also a Michigan fan, in addition to being smart, successful, and like-minded. I'm trying not to get my hopes up, but based on what I know about her and my initial online conversation, I think she's as good of a match as I'll get, so I don't want to blow it....
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 20, 2019, 12:12:14 AM
I had my first real date of my life a week ago
This, followed by...

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I'm trying not to get my hopes up, but based on what I know about her and my initial online conversation, I think she's as good of a match as I'll get, so I don't want to blow it....
Gives me my first point of advice...
"As good as a match as I'll get" is probably not going to be the first lady you connect with.
Granted, I say that as the guy who married the first girl I dated after my divorce, and I'm ridiculously happy. So I'm not saying it *won't* work out, but you need to not stress over whether it'll work out. 
Although if it means anything, she and I met on Bumble. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 20, 2019, 07:10:00 AM
I am somewhat surprised that Badge uses a microwave. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 20, 2019, 07:18:26 AM
My dating advice would be to forget about "not wanting to blow it".  Be yourself, as thoroughly as possible.  If she doesn't like you for you, it's best to find out early.

The second point would be to make sure you listen to her and show empathy (hopefully this isn't an act).  A short term relationship can succeed based on a few items but a long termer needs to check most of the boxes, and being "as good as I could expect" is not a recipe for the latter.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 20, 2019, 07:21:39 AM
One condo we toured that I kinda liked (because it was way under budget in part, but also nicely finished) had a dead end kitchen.  The wife said that was a no go for her.

Most of the others were in newer buildings and had this "open concept" so many rave about all the time, she didn't like that either.  She watches HGTV a LOT and it's interesting (a bit) to see what couples like in that highly contrived show.  They all want an "open concept".

Anyway, we lucked out, this place was on the market for 3 months, which is unusual down here, and the second we walked in we knew it was for us.

We looked at one on the 37th floor of a new building and the deck was scary.  We would never be out there.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MaximumSam on February 20, 2019, 07:40:51 AM
Since politics has been brought up, living in DC, now, I'm just glad the government didn't shut down, again. The first time around the city was basically dead for a month (albeit the holidays and winter weather were part of the reason). Not to get too political, but it seems that most people here are at least moderate (or at least not supporters of #45).... It'll be interesting to see who all decides to run against him on both sides. I'm a fan of Jay Inslee (WA's governor) for his strong stance on clean energy, but he's probably not viable due to lack of name recognition. And for the record, I favor most of the Green New Deal in principle, but parts of it just aren't realistic even if Democrats take over the government in 2020.

In other news, I'm finally seriously pursuing a relationship for the first time in my life since I finally have some stability in my career, and I can use all the dating advice I can get. I had my first real date of my life a week ago, which didn't go so well, but we just didn't really connect on anything despite having some common interests and being like-minded (I didn't do anything stupid, though)..... Today I connected with someone else online through Bumble (which seems to work better than OKCupid and other sites since the woman has to initiate the conversation), and she's also a Michigan fan, in addition to being smart, successful, and like-minded. I'm trying not to get my hopes up, but based on what I know about her and my initial online conversation, I think she's as good of a match as I'll get, so I don't want to blow it....
Ah young padawan, learn the ways of the force.
- Go on dates. Cast a wide net, go out with girls, even some you might not even be all that into based on their profile.  A date is not a marriage, and even if it sucks, you at least got some experience. 
- Don't get excited about someone you haven't met.  You'll just put more pressure on yourself, which is bad.
- Go places that you like and where you feel comfortable.  Go somewhere you can have fun even if she isn't there.  You being comfortable and having fun will be more attractive to her than trying to pretend to have fun somewhere else.  Also, if she blows you off you'll at least be somewhere you like.
- Dating is like everything else in the world, you get better at it with practice.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 20, 2019, 08:06:31 AM
My advice would be not to solicit advice from us knuckleheads. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 20, 2019, 08:07:19 AM
I made the mistake of getting married for practical reasons, we both were graduating, she was pretty, we had a good time, might as well get married.  I did not understand she viewed me as a project, someone who could be made a lot better with some changes.  I ignored some serious warning signs.  I feared moving to a new city, which I was about to do, and having to "start all over" with dating, and this was well before this Internet thing.  In college it's easy to meet girls, in real life, it isn't.

After the divorce, I focused on my kids (they stayed with me fortunately).  The few dates I had just didn't jive with having small kids.  So, I figured I was on my own.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 20, 2019, 09:09:01 AM
I was musing about how much I've changed over the years, I think one of the biggest changes has been to quit worrying about what others think (beyond the bounds of being decent to people).  When I was younger, I would stress over this, usually subliminally.  Some of it was the job of course where early in your career you need to worry about what your bosses think.  And the odd thing is I think I get along with more people on a personal level now than I did when I would worry about how to get along with people.

The facade is not genuine, and few people can pull it off without seeming to be fake.

We call them "politicians".
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 20, 2019, 10:28:30 AM
I used to tell my kids "The hardest thing to be in life is yourself.", and of course they'd "WUT?".

Now they chuckle when telling me that same thing.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 20, 2019, 10:44:44 AM
Like Cincy, I definitely ignored some warning signs the first time around... And a lot of it, I think, came from two things:


When my now wife and I met, I didn't particularly think I was ready for a long-term relationship, and I frankly didn't care about trying to be. Coming off a divorce, I expected I'd have 5+ years of sorting through all sorts of psychos and crazies in SoCal, and knew that if I did that and was having fun and none of them worked out, I'd be just fine with that. My wife was coming off a relationship where the guy was a liar and a cheat, and she was looking for someone fun to date and specifically told her friends she wanted a "no feels" guy. And then we just hit it off perfectly.

So yeah, I would say that for my ex, one of those red flags was "well it's time to settle down"... You don't want that to be your own red flag. You don't have to settle down and find someone now that your career is where you want it. Go out, play the field, meet as many women as you can. And if one of them works, great. If they don't, it's better to move on rather that saddle yourself with a relationship with the wrong one. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 20, 2019, 10:52:02 AM
On that note, I will offer some real, practical advice: the 90-day rule. 

This one came from a buddy who, after a messed up divorce from a woman he married too young when he lived abroad and was homesick, was single from about the age of 25 or so until 38 when he married the right one. He dated a LOT of women over that stretch, to the point that he developed what he calls the 90-day rule. 

If you've been dating 90 days and you don't see a real, legitimate future with her, to the point where you actually think she's "marriage material", break it off at 90 days. 

That's not to say that every girl that makes it past 90 days is a soul mate, but if you can definitively say that it's a no-go at 90 days, it's not going to get better. Doesn't matter if there are positive things about her. Doesn't matter if the sex is mind-blowing. Doesn't matter if she's ridiculously hot and looks great on your arm. If you get to 90 days and you know she's not the one, don't waste her [or your] time. Taking a woman who you believe isn't right at 90 days and continuing it on risks you getting stuck with her because eventually both of you get so entwined that neither wants to break it off but neither really wants it to continue, and that's a recipe for unhappiness down the road. Rip the bandaid off at 90 days and move on instead. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 20, 2019, 11:33:35 AM
Wow, some similar experiences indeed.  We are not alone.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 20, 2019, 11:34:59 AM
Mostly the same here. Just too young and too stupid. Pretty damn happy now though. Not sure how it could possibly be better.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 20, 2019, 11:36:30 AM
We grow too soon old and too slow smart.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 20, 2019, 12:56:25 PM
you already have plenty of "sound" advice from CincyDawg and MaximumSam

so, this bachelor won't offer

I'm a knucklehead, ask any of the women I've dated
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 20, 2019, 01:17:50 PM
I am somewhat surprised that Badge uses a microwave.
Hah! I missed this one. That is actually a GE Café Advantium. There is one in my rental too. Anyway, I bought it because it was a convection oven (can always use an extra oven), a broiler, a proofing machine and, yes, a microwave. It has a special base you can put in and make perfect bacon (in 4 minutes), or sear the perfect fish or veggies or anything else. The thing is amazing.

https://products.geappliances.com/appliance/gea-specs/PSA9240SFSS

That's the Profile Advantium in the picture (Café is a little better). I strongly recommend one of these, regardless of which.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 20, 2019, 01:21:02 PM
By the way, I LOVE the 90 days rule. Sometimes it doesn't take that long, but if it does, I agree. Cut the cord before the cord cuts you.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 20, 2019, 01:33:15 PM
By the way, I LOVE the 90 days rule. Sometimes it doesn't take that long, but if it does, I agree. Cut the cord before the cord cuts you.
It sounds like a joke when you first hear about the rule, but when you start thinking about it, it's quite brilliant. It really does make a lot of sense and will stop a lot of people from getting pulled into something they'll eventually have a tough time getting out of.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 20, 2019, 01:46:32 PM
I applied the rule many times, without knowing the rule. Heh.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on February 20, 2019, 02:02:24 PM
On that note, I will offer some real, practical advice: the 90-day rule.

If you've been dating 90 days and you don't see a real, legitimate future with her, to the point where you actually think she's "marriage material", break it off at 90 days.
Wish I would have thought about that with my Bookie
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 20, 2019, 02:08:12 PM
more like 60 days for me
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 20, 2019, 02:09:30 PM
It sounds like a joke when you first hear about the rule, but when you start thinking about it, it's quite brilliant. It really does make a lot of sense and will stop a lot of people from getting pulled into something they'll eventually have a tough time getting out of.
That's not bad. 
I dated a chick once that looked good and really knew her way around the mattress, but she was crazy as Hell and meaner than a snake. So I tried to break it off early, and she just begged me to give her another chance. So for a while she was just sweet as can be, but you could tell that it pained her to be that way and that it was totally inauthentic. So finally I was just done, and she was like "thanks for wasting my time, why didn't you just break it off from the get go?" I'm like "What? Do you not remember when... aw, never mind. It's not you, it's me. Please don't cut my brakes." 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on February 20, 2019, 02:12:10 PM
In other news, I'm finally seriously pursuing a relationship for the first time in my life since I finally have some stability in my career, and I can use all the dating advice I can get.
  https://youtu.be/92gP2J0CUjc?t=91
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on February 20, 2019, 02:25:47 PM
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I was married by a judge. I should have asked for a jury.
- Groucho Marx


Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 20, 2019, 02:33:45 PM
A buddy of mine is a "stereo maven", so I asked him about some new speakers when I wanted to upgrade.  He gave me sound advice.  Ha.  Monitor Audios.  They work for me.

I forget all of what he has at home but he told me he spent over $2000 on speaker cables.  And when he added some more speakers, he spent more than that again he said.  I used to run lamp cord electrical back in the day, I've modernized since then with some decent connections but not crazy cables.

I'm still "amused" how much an upgrade sound system in a CAR can be in new cars.  You can easily see an extra $1500 on the sticker for some kind of upgrade, in a car, which makes noise.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MaximumSam on February 20, 2019, 02:53:31 PM
I was musing about how much I've changed over the years, I think one of the biggest changes has been to quit worrying about what others think (beyond the bounds of being decent to people).  When I was younger, I would stress over this, usually subliminally.  Some of it was the job of course where early in your career you need to worry about what your bosses think.  And the odd thing is I think I get along with more people on a personal level now than I did when I would worry about how to get along with people.

The facade is not genuine, and few people can pull it off without seeming to be fake.

We call them "politicians".
This is totally true.  When you are young, you spend so much energy on trying to be what other people want you to be, which includes potential mates.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 20, 2019, 02:55:28 PM
then you get to be a grumpy old man and just don't give a shit if anyone likes you
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 20, 2019, 02:59:07 PM
then you get to be a grumpy old man and just don't give a shit if anyone likes you
Yup, and then people by and large think you are "colorful" and start liking you.
"Seems like when I git ta likin' someone they ain't around very long."
"I notice when you git ta disliking someone, they ain't around long neither."
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 20, 2019, 03:09:03 PM
You guys are killing me.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 20, 2019, 07:35:11 PM

I forget all of what he has at home but he told me he spent over $2000 on speaker cables.  And when he added some more speakers, he spent more than that again he said.  I used to run lamp cord electrical back in the day, I've modernized since then with some decent connections but not crazy cables.
As an electrical engineer  I can tell you with certainty that those high priced speaker wires are bullshit.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: longhorn320 on February 20, 2019, 09:07:46 PM
Im not getting married anymore

Im just gonna find a woman I hate and buy her a house
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MichiFan87 on February 22, 2019, 07:39:54 AM
Thanks for the input guys. I'm certainly not going to waste my time with the wrong woman. I've met enough people who've been in bad relationships and marriages.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 22, 2019, 08:21:24 AM
Don't flaunt your new found wealth right off the bat. You don't want her to like you for the wrong reasons. Let it be a surprise if it works out. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 22, 2019, 02:54:08 PM
Odd facts:

1.  The two primary workers on our kitchen were born in Africa.
2.  The countertop company is run by folks born in Africa.
3.  The fellow who templated today is born in Africa.

The main guy is still up there drilling and hammering and sawing at something.  Should I give him a tip?  He's doing a very conscientious job.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 22, 2019, 03:00:52 PM
I would give them each $20.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 22, 2019, 03:09:40 PM
Wouldn't it be easier to just buy a condo in Africa instead of making all of those people come to Atlanta?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 22, 2019, 03:13:31 PM
I did not make anyone come to Atlanta.  I will probably give the main dude $50.  He's done a few minor side things for the wife.  And he is really doing quite a good job, often asking us about doing this or that when there is an option, and some of the options involve more effort on his part.

My closest friend in Cincy was also born in Africa.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: JerseyTerrapin on February 25, 2019, 10:51:04 AM
HOF Gary Williams on the toughest loss of his career:

"In 2010 we were playing Michigan State. They had Draymond Greene who plays for Golden State now. We were 15 down in the second half and we had a player named Greivis Vasquez who was an All-American and one of the great players to ever play at Maryland. We had to win our last seven games that year in conference to tie Duke for the regular season ACC championship in 2010. And we got into the NCAA Tournament and we got a tough draw. We had to play Michigan State in our second game and we came back somehow against a very good defensive team. Tom Izzo's teams at Michigan State are always tough. They never back up when you play against them. To make up that 15 and to take the lead on a great shot by Vasquez, they go down, they mess up, they get trapped on the sideline. They throw a pass from the top of the circle, and they had a player there that couldn't make a shot from five feet. The kid ducks and lets the ball go to the next guy.

"The guy's a good shooter. [Korie] Lucious is his name, who left school two weeks later by the way. And he nailed the shot to beat us. The other tough thing about that game is, in the other bracket, which who we would've played in the elite eight after that, Northern Iowa upset Kansas. So we would've had Northern Iowa. If you win that game, and we would've been favored in that game, you would've played Tennessee to get the to Final Four. And Michigan State got to the Final Four and they deserved it. But I still think about that game, how that could happen at the end of the game. There's just some things that happen in sports when you just shake your head and hopefully you can move on."
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 25, 2019, 03:53:15 PM
The wife and I went on a long walk today.  The pear and peach trees and daffodils are blooming.  I actually got too hot in the sun.  I love this.

https://beltline.org/

This is one of the best urban ideas I've ever seen even if it was dreamt up by a tech student.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 25, 2019, 03:57:17 PM
It's springtime?!?!?!?

not in the Rockies
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 25, 2019, 04:04:12 PM
I'm planning a trip to Texas to visit my overly educated brother next week.  Spring needs to get to Texas.

Highs next Monday & Tuesday in D/FW area only 40-41 degrees with AM snow showers and overnight lows in the mid-20s

of course here in beautiful NW Iowa the forecast is for highs at 9 degrees above and lows in the negative single digits.

I'm ready for spring football practice
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 25, 2019, 04:07:04 PM
I see Sat. through Thu the lows are supposed to be around freezing, so we're not really into spring yet, but today felt like it.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 25, 2019, 04:17:18 PM
well, if the fruit trees are blooming, y'all don't want a hard freeze
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 25, 2019, 04:38:23 PM
The lowest Low I saw was 28°F, which should be "OK" I think.  The park has a section that is a kind of demonstration farm and they have fruit trees and bee hives and grow other things.  It's pretty neat really, part of it is for children to garden.

The city is really pretty when the azaleas and dogwoods come out.  The wife has not seen that yet.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on February 25, 2019, 05:38:25 PM
well, if the fruit trees are blooming, y'all don't want a hard freeze
Sure they do let 'em have it.That'll teach the infidels to turn tail and leave the great white north
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 25, 2019, 06:01:21 PM
Our frigid temperatures have finally eased... I think I saw a high of 70 today. 

Unfortunately [for enjoyment, but fortunately for our water situation] we're predicted to rain again on Sat/Sun. Ugh. I need to brew again this weekend, which means I need to pull the Jeep out of the garage, which means I need to cover it in a tarp or painter's drop cloth if it's raining.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on February 26, 2019, 12:45:04 AM
Stop sipping wine in NAPA it's a Jeep for crying out loud,somewhere a GI is cursing and swearing,cursing and swearing
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 26, 2019, 05:56:46 AM
We have only seen 6 days where the temps got to normal (or above) in the past month. March doesn't look good either. The polar vortex sets in again this weekend too. Sunday will see a low of -2. Getting really sick of this winter, and there's not a normal (or above) predicted until March 15.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 26, 2019, 08:56:57 AM
https://www.caranddriver.com/features/g26426806/10best-cars-winners-2019-flipbook/?utm_source=facebook_ign&utm_medium=cpm&utm_campaign=ign_g26426806_fb_d_i&fbclid=IwAR1tQf_LIgJ-_YGcOUmK9P8_g-Vg1l002DGadanmIgCv9_gOu-x_h3GLtso

A decent list, but of course what is best for you personally can be something not on such a list (they handle SUVs separately).

I will say the GTI drives very well, is comfortable on long trips where it gets 40 mpg at 80 mph, and goes when you press on the right pedal even if you are in the wrong hear a bit.  It also has the room we need for stuff.  It's easier to handle in city traffic than the CTS for sure.

Cars are expensive, but we're at least down to one now which works just fine for us.  If he has the car and I HAD to get somewhere, Uber is now a viable option.

I think Uber/Lyft et al. are going to change our System a lot when autonomous driving becomes a real thing.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on February 26, 2019, 10:01:25 AM
We have only seen 6 days where the temps got to normal (or above) in the past month. March doesn't look good either. The polar vortex sets in again this weekend too. Sunday will see a low of -2. Getting really sick of this winter, and there's not a normal (or above) predicted until March 15.
The funny thing is the national "experts" predicted in November we would have a warmer than normal winter in the upper mid-west.Something about el-nino.On the the bright side we haven't had that much snow and the sun has been out a lot at 15-25 degree avg
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 26, 2019, 11:09:25 AM
Those long range predictions are barely better than random picking, if that.  The predictions for the next 3 days are usually decent, and after that they get increasingly wrong.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 26, 2019, 01:13:00 PM
I'm hoping like heck that the extended forecast for Arlington and Round Rock, TX are very wrong

and they probably are wrong
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: GopherRock on February 26, 2019, 01:14:48 PM
Southeast Minnesota is encased in snow. I-35 and I-90 in our district didn't reopen until late last night. Some wicked drifting really socked in the area, and some roads still aren't dug out. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 26, 2019, 01:15:41 PM
do not move to Minnesoooota!
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 26, 2019, 01:24:42 PM
We have 43 inches of snow this year (normal is about 31). There is much more to come.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 26, 2019, 01:34:50 PM
We have seen nary a snowflake.  A bit was predicted but it went way north of us.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 26, 2019, 05:04:09 PM
Per a university release and press conference today, Georgia Tech has entered into a partnership with AMB Sports & Entertainment and Peach Bowl, Inc. that affords the Yellow Jackets an annual home game at Mercedes-Benz Stadium

GaTech is going to play a game each year in the dome instead of their home field.  Derp.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on February 26, 2019, 05:05:32 PM
Per a university release and press conference today, Georgia Tech has entered into a partnership with AMB Sports & Entertainment and Peach Bowl, Inc. that affords the Yellow Jackets an annual home game at Mercedes-Benz Stadium

GaTech is going to play a game each year in the dome instead of their home field.  Derp.
Usually the best thing for a team with a sagging fan base to do is play in a larger, off campus venue.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 26, 2019, 05:17:33 PM
Another dumbass gimmick idea.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 26, 2019, 06:32:45 PM
They appear to be selecting games with opponents like Clemson and Notre Dame, and perhaps UGA, where opposing fans will fill the place up and the seating capacity is higher than it is at Bobby Dodd-Grant Field.

It probably makes sense financially, which of course is not to say it makes sense for the fan.  Tech is in trouble I think.  I don't know where they go.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 26, 2019, 06:47:49 PM
it's worth a try if the program is hurting
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 26, 2019, 07:05:29 PM
It might bite them in the ass, yes. But it might also bring in some high-profile opponents that wouldn't otherwise be playing GT. Maybe that will offset the off-campus games?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 27, 2019, 06:44:26 AM
To me, it's an indication that the program is struggling, which is obvious.  You don't have to do this unless that is the case.  

I imagine other programs have tried something like this in the past, but I can't of any.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 28, 2019, 03:23:52 PM
I finished my taxes and printed them out, 92 pages worth.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 28, 2019, 04:00:35 PM
the accounting firm has mine

they will either call with questions or simply call to tell me they are done and need a signature
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on February 28, 2019, 04:05:19 PM
I'll do mine one of these next couple of weekends.  I don't know the first thing about cars, but I think if I told my dad I sent mine out to get done he'd look at me like other people's fathers would if they told them they took their car in for an oil change.

He's not an accountant or anything, but used to do his entire extended family's all by hand, and I'd sit and learn.  I have few life skills, but I'm pretty good with taxes.  When I got married and my wife and I started filing jointly, I started looking at the crap the accountant she had been using was doing, and it made my blood boil.  He was missing obvious stuff, but falsely claiming other stuff.  It was a mess.  I was shocked we didn't get audited that first year, simply because of how many things on hers changed without reason, just because they were suddenly finally done correctly.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 28, 2019, 04:11:55 PM
I saw somewhere that the percentage of folks itemizing would drop from 30% to 5%.  I was not far from not itemizing myself, which was a surprise.  I got a hit on the state and local property tax thing.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 28, 2019, 04:28:27 PM
The business returns should be done by tomorrow, and then I can have the personal ones done.



SALT limits are going to hurt me, badly. We'll still itemize though.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on February 28, 2019, 08:26:17 PM
What are these income taxes you posters speak of?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on March 01, 2019, 08:54:49 AM
Btw, Shawn Oakman was acquitted yesterday. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 01, 2019, 09:18:29 AM
What are these income taxes you posters speak of?
Yeah, unpleasant annual duty around here.  I had to pay another $40 to get the second state.  I only paid about $45 for the original TT version at Costco.  Then at the end I paid $40 to file electronically with each state because I was too lazy to print the forms and mail them in.
A LONG time ago, I had created an Excel spreadsheet that mirrored the tax forms.  It was pretty good and very useful in that it did all the calculations for you.  Then Turbotx et al. appeared, and was cheap at the time, and I was hooked.
I would love for there to be some real tax simplification but I don't expect it, don't mean to get political.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Riffraft on March 01, 2019, 09:45:49 AM
Yeah, unpleasant annual duty around here.  I had to pay another $40 to get the second state.  I only paid about $45 for the original TT version at Costco.  Then at the end I paid $40 to file electronically with each state because I was too lazy to print the forms and mail them in.
A LONG time ago, I had created an Excel spreadsheet that mirrored the tax forms.  It was pretty good and very useful in that it did all the calculations for you.  Then Turbotx et al. appeared, and was cheap at the time, and I was hooked.
I would love for there to be some real tax simplification but I don't expect it, don't mean to get political.
Hold on now, I make money on the complexity of the tax system. No simplification. Also please don't let people know that they can use a program like Turbotax and do it themselves. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 01, 2019, 11:34:23 AM
Sorry.  This year was unusually painful for me.  My eyes were giving up the ghost several times trying to make sense of things.

I even called TT and got no help from them at all.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 01, 2019, 11:39:47 AM
Btw, Shawn Oakman was acquitted yesterday.
Very interesting.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 01, 2019, 12:12:49 PM
The electrician has been here installing stuff, including undercabinet lighting.  It is multicolored and can be set to cycle between red, orange, green, blue, yellow, and fortunately white.

We were laughing at it, but ended up leaving it on last night during dinner.  We decided we kinda liked it for a background lighting feature.  It is weird though.

We can set it to just white.  Still waiting on countertops of course.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 01, 2019, 12:18:05 PM
The electrician has been here installing stuff, including undercabinet lighting.  It is multicolored and can be set to cycle between red, orange, green, blue, yellow, and fortunately white.

We were laughing at it, but ended up leaving it on last night during dinner.  We decided we kinda liked it for a background lighting feature.  It is weird though.

We can set it to just white.  Still waiting on countertops of course.
Counter guys suck, generally. If they tell you a week, plan on two.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 01, 2019, 01:20:45 PM
They said 5 to 7 workings days.  Today is Day 5, or maybe 4.  These guys are Africans so they could be faster.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 01, 2019, 01:56:05 PM
Costco filets are good, $12.60/lb here.  I grilled some last night.  The previous occupants left a small electric grill I had turned up my nose at but it actually is quite good, I prefer it to gas.  It cranks up the heat and I get a very good sear.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 01, 2019, 04:55:02 PM
https://247sports.com/college/georgia/Article/Georgia-Football-seeking-more-non-conference-home-and-home-series-129601542/

Dawgs supposedly in talks with FSU.  I'd prefer a program out of the SE myself.  Wisconsin would be good.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 01, 2019, 06:12:34 PM
I saw somewhere that the percentage of folks itemizing would drop from 30% to 5%.  I was not far from not itemizing myself, which was a surprise.  I got a hit on the state and local property tax thing.  
The business returns should be done by tomorrow, and then I can have the personal ones done.

SALT limits are going to hurt me, badly. We'll still itemize though.
SALT limits doesn't get me TOO badly any more. When I owned the house before the divorce, it helped. Not only was the mortgage interest deduction great considering CA real estate prices, but state and local taxes helped me at tax time because CA sucks for both. (Actually with prop 13, our state property tax rate is low, but it's still expensive AF given the house prices).
But now that I'm no longer a homeowner, the amount I get screwed by the SALT limit is nowhere near as large as the amount I would have gotten screwed last year. The good news is that after getting married, I'll manage to avoid the AMT (killed me last year). The bad news is that the SALT limit is 10K for single, and 10K for married, so my SALT exemption got cut in half. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 01, 2019, 06:19:22 PM
Yeah, we no longer have the property tax to worry about now that we are renting, but the state income tax is going to be far above the limit. 



1 year, 7 months, 30 days. Buh bye, Illinois. But don't worry. I'll be sure turn the lights off when I cross the border as a resident, for the last time.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 02, 2019, 11:16:10 AM
This is an interesting read.


https://www.chicagotribune.com/business/dollarsense/ct-biz-baby-boomers-retire-dollarsense-20190301-story.html
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 02, 2019, 04:20:41 PM
Kinda along those lines, my company was offering a nice package for early retirees, but our R&D VP made my group not eligible because he was afraid of losing his technical core.  My peers in management at the same level got the deal, but those of us on the technical side did not.  I was actually thinking about suing.  If I was more valuable, I should be compensated more, which was not the case.  

A buddy of mine suggested I bide my time and wait them out as they would fold eventually, and he was right.  About 5 months later they opened it up to us "techno" dudes as well.

I ended up with 5 more months of salary and benefits in effect, while actually DOING almost nothing except the TPS Report each week (which no one read).

I actually did send out a TPS Report each week.  I had three folks in India put it together for me and I attached a cover letter and sent it out to over 100 people.  I had named it "The Patent Summary Report" and routinely called it the TPS Report.  That was about the extent of my work in a week.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 03, 2019, 10:13:35 PM
Record low temp in the smelly onion place is imminent.  Great time for a visit here. Come on up.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 03, 2019, 10:51:40 PM
we won't come close to any records over night, but it is a good time for me to head to Texas Monday morning

got the golf shorts packed
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MichiFan87 on March 03, 2019, 11:06:22 PM
As much as I liked Chicago, the taxes were definitely annoying (I didn't mind the winter weather as much because the summer weather was nice compared to more humid places like.... DC, which has its own issues, even ignoring politics, including the cost of living, but the taxes aren't bad (income/sales/property alike). They're the two main cities I'd consider living in, particularly because they both have opportunities in my field (clean energy), especially with the new legislation Illinois appears likely to pass to go all in on renewables (or at least away from coal & gas even if nuclear remains supported), while DC already passed its own bill in December and obviously has a lot of national organizations and companies in this space.... Time will tell, though. I just hope to figure it out in the next year or so, so I can finally buy a place either way.

In case you all are wondering, my date I mentioned got postponed but should finally happen this week....
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 05, 2019, 11:23:04 AM
https://247sports.com/college/georgia/Article/Kirk-Herbstreit-ESPN-College-Gameday-rare-footage-129735860/?fbclid=IwAR37TNtyjndwlkZbV0mTEGtwfQwhHovsGxRlehPrN2PAnRn_HTD-TBuBd4k

Kirk Herbie Street, his first appearance on ESPN.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on March 05, 2019, 12:09:51 PM
I can remember Herbie as a Jabber jock on local sports talk radio. He burned through a few co-hosts before settling on Ian Fitzsimmons, who is now a National guy.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 05, 2019, 12:19:17 PM
Who are the 2 announcers in the both?Is the one Matt Millen?The guy certainly looks familiar but that was in '95
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 05, 2019, 03:20:36 PM
So, when I retired, I had an aim to "get back into shape".  Good luck with that.  And of course initially I did next to nothing anyway.  In 2016, I went back to a baseball fantasy camp, something I did in 1992.  I had a blast, but clearly needed to be in better condition, so I started, and man it's tough.

These days I do something every day, if the weather permits I'm outside running, doing sprints, whatever, and then spend some time in the gym.  Today it was just gym time, and my muscle stuff is improving a lot.  Flexibility is tougher.  I have lost 20 pounds, I had really ballooned to almost 240.  Obviously that extra fat as enemy number one.  I hit 98.0 kg yesterday.

I went to the wife's pilates instructor last week and go a few ideas for flexibility.

My advice, if you're 40, and tired, is to MAKE TIME to do a little bit every day, and more when you can, even if it's a nightly set of pushups.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 05, 2019, 03:31:06 PM
My advice, if you're 40, and tired, is to MAKE TIME to do a little bit every day, and more when you can, even if it's a nightly set of pushups.
I'm both of those things... I'll try to get right on that.
Actually, I really need to. I've let my weight climb a lot, and haven't been hiking at all in at least a year. I don't know what my weight is exactly right now... Should probably buy a scale. I just know it's up. Figure I'm somewhere in the 270 vicinity. 
I did buy a bicycle finally, and some weights, and we're talking about going to the gym as well. 
But--and it's horrible to say this given that I'm in Southern California--the weather has just made it impossible to work out outside lately ;-)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 05, 2019, 05:48:13 PM
Sparky and the Santa Anna winds want a word with you  
                                                                                     >:(
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on March 05, 2019, 06:53:32 PM
I incorporate a little exercise into my workday. 

I am surrounded by somewhat heavy things that are easy to move around at all times. Might as well put 'em to use. Curls, bench press, chin ups... you just gotta get creative. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on March 06, 2019, 01:16:15 AM
Finished taxes tonight and will drop them off w cpa in morning.   I'm sure it will be 100+ pages .  Celebrated w a good Peloton workout .  Sure can't wait to ride outside again.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 06, 2019, 07:26:01 AM
Still no sign of a high above normal, any time soon. 



8 degrees this morning - January 65, 2019. 



F winter.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on March 06, 2019, 07:57:06 AM
I try to do some walking around the office as the Fitbit demands. No lifting. There’s something I dislike about being sweaty at work. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 06, 2019, 08:30:20 AM
Beautiful sunny day here, but was 23°F when I got up.  I think this is the coldest we've been all winter.  When it's this cold here it's nearly always clear (radiative cooling).  Snow only happens on those fairly rare occasions where the Gulf sends up moisture and some cold front crashes through, and it doesn't last long.

We should be good to go in a week or so.  All those blooms I saw last week are getting hammered.  The wife has a camelia in a pot that is blooming but hey seem able to survive the cold and bloom in winter.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 06, 2019, 10:00:35 AM
Beautiful sunny day here, but was 23°F when I got up.  I think this is the coldest we've been all winter.  
Weather Channel showed a National Map on Winter Temps.Ohio was blue as it was 15-25 deg under normal for this winter.Surprisingly we are like 3 feet behind in snow accumulation in N.E.Ohio.I could deal with these winters from here on out
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: GopherRock on March 06, 2019, 10:07:17 AM
Looking like another foot of snow here in MSP this weekend. And unlike everything we've gotten this winter, this is going to be the heavy, wet slop that will kill you if you try to shovel it. 

Uncle!
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 06, 2019, 10:09:47 AM
I hear that GR - ALWAYS use a  scarf over your mouth when shoveling.Cursing and swearing,cursing and swearing!!!
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 07, 2019, 09:08:43 AM
Who-hoo gonna be above freezing for the 1st time in about a week,just in time for some Sugar-Maple Festivals.Supposed to plunge again next week - good times
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 07, 2019, 04:45:03 PM
The wife had to go up to the French Consulate today, and after we had lunch and went to see this:

https://www.atlantamagazine.com/great-reads/redeeming-the-cyclorama-why-the-century-old-attraction-is-anything-but-a-monument-to-the-confederacy/

It's now open and fully restored in its new digs in Buckhead.  It's impressive.  The history of the painting is entertaining.  It used to be the largest oil painting in the world.  I last saw it 25 years ago.  The painting weighs 10,000 pounds.  It was being ruined in the old building in Grant Park.  The battle site is about 3 miles south of where we live now.  Today of course it's solid city with a MARTA line running through the middle of it.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 08, 2019, 07:27:34 AM
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/chevrolet/camaro/2019/2019-chevrolet-camaro-ss-first-test-review/?sm_id=organic_fb_MT_trueanthem&utm_campaign&utm_content=5c81daec3ed3f00001b27ec5&utm_medium&utm_source&fbclid=IwAR3WU_TuAK5HN58BwijUN9cTBISvpgpvv9uabCi9Dd6xr71hP1NwV6fUbP4

The first Camaro had a 2 speed automatic transmission (Called "Powerglide").  The latest has a 10 speed (the manual is 6 speeds).  If ten speeds the max for a passenger car?  And this is mated to an engine with a ton of torque available at just about any RPM.  Is that overkill?  I bought a car in 2005 that had a 5 speed auto and I though that was overkill at the time.

If you've ever sat in a modern Camaro, you know it ls like sitting in a bunker.  We rent a convertible at times on trips but I look for the Mustang, even though the 4 cylinder turbo in that car is unimpressive to me.  It also has a 10 speed in it.  The Mustang has better visibility with the top up and more room in the trunk and backseat.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on March 08, 2019, 07:35:56 AM
Good call on the bunker like camaro.  I was given one w/o asking as a rental, back when we only had one child, and it was an absolute no go.  The Avis dude couldn't help but blush when I came around to pick up my wife and infant. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 08, 2019, 07:49:30 AM
The designers wanted a low roof to look cool on the outside, but inside it's just about a nonstarter for me.  When the wife wanted a convertible it was on my short list, but I was going for the BMW 2 series instead.  Then she said a nice sun roof would be fine, and that saved me some change getting the GTI, which she likes a lot, and it is a very practical car for space.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 08, 2019, 09:31:03 AM
Right now my i s c & a aggie wife is looking to move on from her Toyota Solara convertible, to a BMW 4-series with the retractable hard top.  She still loves a convertible, but the road noise from the ragtop is starting to annoy her and the retractable hard tops are somewhat quieter.

I'm trying to convince her to go with a convertible Mustang but I'm not sure I'm having much success.  She actually likes it a lot, but after having test-driven both a few times, she's definitely liking the interior styling and trim better on the BMW.  Shocking I know.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 08, 2019, 09:32:35 AM
Overall I think the Camaros look very cool, but that low top is a problem.  But that car isn't really made for a family man, it's made for teens and 20-somethings that just want to look cool.  I can dig it, I was a teen once upon a time, too.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 08, 2019, 09:55:00 AM
The BMW 230i or 240i are nice cars, but have a rag top.  They also get pricey, into Corvette territory almost.

I liked the 240i a lot.  But the GTI is far more practical and cheaper.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 08, 2019, 11:04:08 AM
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/chevrolet/camaro/2019/2019-chevrolet-camaro-ss-first-test-review/?sm_id=organic_fb_MT_trueanthem&utm_campaign&utm_content=5c81daec3ed3f00001b27ec5&utm_medium&utm_source&fbclid=IwAR3WU_TuAK5HN58BwijUN9cTBISvpgpvv9uabCi9Dd6xr71hP1NwV6fUbP4

The first Camaro had a 2 speed automatic transmission (Called "Powerglide").  The latest has a 10 speed (the manual is 6 speeds).  If ten speeds the max for a passenger car?  And this is mated to an engine with a ton of torque available at just about any RPM.  Is that overkill?  I bought a car in 2005 that had a 5 speed auto and I though that was overkill at the time.

If you've ever sat in a modern Camaro, you know it ls like sitting in a bunker.  We rent a convertible at times on trips but I look for the Mustang, even though the 4 cylinder turbo in that car is unimpressive to me.  It also has a 10 speed in it.  The Mustang has better visibility with the top up and more room in the trunk and backseat.
I have to think that at some number of gears they either reach a point of diminishing returns on transmissions, or they perfect the CVT enough to make "number of gears" a completely obsolete concept. I'm not sure they have a CVT that can reliably handle that much horsepower yet though. I've only seen them so far in more economy-oriented cars.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 08, 2019, 11:06:33 AM
Right now my i s c & a aggie wife is looking to move on from her Toyota Solara convertible, to a BMW 4-series with the retractable hard top.  She still loves a convertible, but the road noise from the ragtop is starting to annoy her and the retractable hard tops are somewhat quieter.

I'm trying to convince her to go with a convertible Mustang but I'm not sure I'm having much success.  She actually likes it a lot, but after having test-driven both a few times, she's definitely liking the interior styling and trim better on the BMW.  Shocking I know.
Here ya go.
(https://www.cfb51.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgtspirit.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F09%2FMercedes-AMG-GT-C-Roadster-1.jpg&hash=6da0b71c61738ed3ff1467a47c81bba4)


Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 08, 2019, 11:31:47 AM
CVTs can handle up to 300 hp at this point, apparently.  They drive oddly, and most are programmed to simulate shift points, which sort of negates the advantage.

I would have guessed 8 speeds would be plenty for these torquey engines.

The 10 speed is no faster and I don't think there is a MPG advantage.  This was codeveloped by Ford and GM.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on March 08, 2019, 11:36:06 AM
[This probably belongs in a thread that already exists on amateurism, but I was only willing to dig so far to find it before giving up and coming here:]

There's one "pay the players" strategy I've supported for years: Don't pay them directly. Just let them chase their own market value from third parties. Whatever they get is commensurate with their value and deserved. And that plan is finally reaching US Congress.

https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2019/03/07/ncaa-student-athletes-profit-name-use-bill-introduced-mark-walker

Because if we live in America and can fix an injustice with capitalism, why wouldn't we? And for those who argue there is no injustice, no worries, if the bill passes and you're right, no one will ever give these kids money, because if you're right, their market value is zero bits greater than room/board/tuition. Would be fun to run that experiment.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 08, 2019, 12:12:15 PM
https://atlanta.curbed.com/2019/3/8/18256034/complete-streets-midtown-spring-west-peachtree

This is my "hood" with a photo depiction of construction in the area of late.  It's crazy.  The ATL like many growing cities has a tradition of over building just before the oops.

And while the population is exploding they are reducing lanes on the streets.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 08, 2019, 12:32:34 PM
CVTs can handle up to 300 hp at this point, apparently.  They drive oddly, and most are programmed to simulate shift points, which sort of negates the advantage.

I would have guessed 8 speeds would be plenty for these torquey engines.

The 10 speed is no faster and I don't think there is a MPG advantage.  This was codeveloped by Ford and GM.
Hmm. Neither faster NOR MPG advantage? That I don't necessarily get... I thought one of the big advantages--even more than performance--was the ability to keep the engine in more efficient RPMs to help improve MPG. Not sure why they cared to use it, then...
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 08, 2019, 12:42:50 PM
[This probably belongs in a thread that already exists on amateurism, but I was only willing to dig so far to find it before giving up and coming here:]

There's one "pay the players" strategy I've supported for years: Don't pay them directly. Just let them chase their own market value from third parties. Whatever they get is commensurate with their value and deserved. And that plan is finally reaching US Congress.

https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2019/03/07/ncaa-student-athletes-profit-name-use-bill-introduced-mark-walker

Because if we live in America and can fix an injustice with capitalism, why wouldn't we? And for those who argue there is no injustice, no worries, if the bill passes and you're right, no one will ever give these kids money, because if you're right, their market value is zero bits greater than room/board/tuition. Would be fun to run that experiment.
As far as fairness to the players is concerned, I get this as a strategy. It seems odd to not allow them to get some level of likeness rights and retain amateurism. 
The bigger concern to me, however, has to do with the fairness and parity in the sport, which already suffers quite a bit. And the reason for that is that the name on the front of the uniform generates much higher likeness rights than the name on the back. 
Purdue's Rondale Moore could make a fair bit of money based on his likeness. He'd make a lot MORE at Purdue than he would if he was playing for, say, Ball State. And he'd make a lot LESS than if he was playing for, say, OSU.
Of course, this is an issue in professional sports as well. Players on good teams in good markets would tend to have more valuable likeness rights than players on crappy teams in small markets. You'll sell a lot more jerseys with your name on the back if they're Yankees jerseys than if they're Twins jerseys. 
But the difference in professional sports is that there is a MUCH more equitable way to select players. There's a draft. Players under contract can't decide if or when they'll be traded. There's a salary cap for free agency. Teams have constraints to work within, and those constraints are EXPLICITLY there to help get as close as we can to parity within leagues. So much that there's a big hoopla going on in the NBA right now about players trying to publicly "recruit" other players to their team, as if "recruit" is a dirty word.
In college athletics, recruiting is key. And the helmet teams already have enormous recruiting advantages over non-helmets. Add this into the fold, and those advantages get even bigger. While I'm not one to throw out "the rich get richer and the poor get poorer" in economic terms, because economics is rarely a fixed pie, in this case we're talking about absolutely a zero sum game. The quantity of talented players is finite, and if the helmets take all of them, the rest of the teams might as well not even show up.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 08, 2019, 12:48:05 PM
The big Camaro engine is a 6.2 L pushrod V8.  It has plenty of torque.  It might well be as fast in the quarter mile with a 4 speed, or nearly so.  In track performance, more gears can be an advantage, slightly.  The transmission will stay in gear as you decelerate in track conditions rather than upshift.

Part of the standing start acceleration numbers is dependent on getting all that power to the ground without wheel spin.  Rear wheel drive cars are limited to about 3.0 seconds in 0-60 time for that reason.  

The mpg figures have not yet been released, but the new engine comes with cylinder deactivation as an additional change.

Correction>  2019 model is 16/27 mpg est.  2018 model was 17/27 mpg est

So the 10 speed actually reduced city mpg by one notch.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on March 08, 2019, 12:52:37 PM
@bwarbiany (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=19) - I think that's overblown (the disparity argument).

When was the last time Kansas or Wake Forest secured a Top 100 commit? Once or twice ever? If so, that disparity is already sealed and should remain unaffected. When was the last time the MAC secured a kid who had a legitimate Big Ten offer? Again, that disparity is sealed and should remain unaffected.

I won't argue that this couldn't reshuffle things. We should expect rich programs that are currently not cheating (or cheating less) to move up at the relative expense of all current maximal cheaters. What of poorer programs/smaller fan bases? Well if they are currently cheating, albeit modestly because that's all they have, they are likely to get pushed down, and we should say "good," whereas if they are not currently cheating, they should remain relatively unaffected. 

In any event, these reshufflings are far from guaranteed to increase NCAAF disparities. That ship sailed long ago.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on March 08, 2019, 01:02:42 PM
Another argument fans make is "Well player justice is fine and all but if we know for sure that a guy like Shaquille O'Neil is making an ungodly sum at LSU, then I just won't be interested anymore. To which the response has to be kind of obvious: THAT EXACT THING IS LITERALLY ALREADY THE CASE (https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjs87mEj_PgAhXi34MKHRedBS4QzPwBegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.si.com%2Fcollege-basketball%2F2019%2F03%2F07%2Fwill-wade-christian-dawkins-wiretap-ncaa-corruption-scandal&psig=AOvVaw0ne91rTqhBXuVGVnqgwqvx&ust=1552154177701890)

Delany famously included himself as that kind of fan/administrator, which we can summarize as: "If players get paid then the Big Ten is moving to D-III out of spite.

And if fans read all of this and still want to be that way**, that's fine. It's juvenile, of course. It's also juvenile in the "That's what a child I don't like would do" kind of way.

**(the "I don't like this so give me my ball and I'm going home" way)

But acting that way is their prerogative.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 08, 2019, 01:18:55 PM
@bwarbiany (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=19) - I think that's overblown (the disparity argument).

When was the last time Kansas or Wake Forest secured a Top 100 commit? Once or twice ever? If so, that disparity is already sealed and should remain unaffected. When was the last time the MAC secured a kid who had a legitimate Big Ten offer? Again, that disparity is sealed and should remain unaffected.

I won't argue that this couldn't reshuffle things. We should expect rich programs that are currently not cheating (or cheating less) to move up at the relative expense of all current maximal cheaters. What of poorer programs/smaller fan bases? Well if they are currently cheating, albeit modestly because that's all they have, they are likely to get pushed down, and we should say "good," whereas if they are not currently cheating, they should remain relatively unaffected.

In any event, these reshufflings are far from guaranteed to increase NCAAF disparities. That ship sailed long ago.
I get that... Some of this is already baked in. It's the windmill I find myself tilting at when Purdue fans on the H&R blog are talking about how Brohm, with a few more recruiting classes, could turn us into a CFP sort of team. We're cheering like hell for the 25th-ranked class in the country, a class probably better than we've EVER gotten in our history. That's not even close.
But there have been things that have helped improve parity over the years. Scholarship limits. Now, max number of recruits per year (25) is added, which helps teams that maybe aren't sending a lot of 3-year players into the NFL early and redshirting a lot. And I honestly think that we'll get to a point where the P5 breaks off, which basically takes a haves/have-nots split that already exists and makes it explicit, and could potentially improve parity within the haves [P5]. Maybe it's selfish, but I'm fine with that because Purdue's one of the haves ;-) 
I just sound a note of caution every time I see things which push the parity the wrong direction. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 08, 2019, 01:25:09 PM
Here ya go.
(https://www.cfb51.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgtspirit.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F09%2FMercedes-AMG-GT-C-Roadster-1.jpg&hash=6da0b71c61738ed3ff1467a47c81bba4)



That's a beautiful car indeed.  Perhaps not quite within the budget though, at least for now. :)


Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 08, 2019, 05:30:28 PM
the weather in Big D area and Round Rock is good for golf

10-speed trannies seem over kill, but they have smart engineering types working hard

leveling the recruiting field for teams like Purdue probably is an uphill battle
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 09, 2019, 08:30:31 AM
nice morning in Round Rock after the overnight rain, a bit windy but warm

going to HEB to pickup some beef ribs and baby backs for the smoker

my brother will tend the smoker while I play 18
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 09, 2019, 08:40:19 AM
In a sign of the times, Athlon is out with a much poorer version of ELA's ranking of all 2 million teams, and the lowest ranked FBS team on UGA's slate is .... Georgia Tech, below Arkansas State.

This is one reason I'd end the series, the other being I'd rather play someone outside the region, or at least interesting.

Cloudy and perhaps raining here, but warm.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 09, 2019, 09:35:09 AM
Hey CD saw something on Public TV that might pique your interest.Woke up at 2:30 in the morning with the TV going and there was a documentary on the 1st Women's Air Derby from Santa Monica CA to Cleveland.20 women raced cross country in 1929 to promote Aviation and the Women in it.It was truly Barnstorming - they were most certainly a tough lot.The documentary was, Breaking through the Clouds: The First Women's National Air Derby.One woman said flying wasn't in it's infancy but it was still a toddler.Lots of very interesting stories along the way.Humorist Will Rogers called it the Powder Puff Derby.Maintaining the aircraft along the way was the biggest obstacle,that and the weather.

One lady flyer - think it was in the middle of Kansas had the map she was reading blow out of the cock pit.She landed in a farm field a herd of cows gathered around her.She kept repeating "I hope there are no bulls"..."I hope there are no bulls" as her plane was a bright red.There seemed to be some sabotage along the way.Later on authorities suspected some men pilots as times were hard and they didn't want women taking their jobs but this was never proven.One flyer got eliminated as she landed someone pulled their car onto a runway to greet them and they collided.One woman died,she was having engine problems and the others were urging her to get her engine replaced.The last time she took off she was getting carbon monoxide poisoning.15 of the 20 pilots finished and Emelia Earhart came in 3rd.There was a real camaraderie as there was not much money to be made and given early aviation everyone just wanted to finish alive and hoped others did also

One flyer named Poncho Barnes had been a stunt pilot in the movies.She was married to a Episcopal Priest and she use to BUZZ the church after services.They said she could swear for an hour straight like a drunken sailor and not repeat herself.I got this off of Wiki evidently she was a character in the movie The Right Stuff

On her land, Pancho Barnes built the Happy Bottom Riding Club (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Bottom_Riding_Club), also known as the Rancho Oro Verde Fly-Inn Dude Ranch, a dude ranch (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dude_ranch) and restaurant which catered to airmen at the nearby airfield and her friends from Hollywood. Barnes became very close friends with many of the early test pilots, including Chuck Yeager (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Yeager), Robert Anderson "Bob" Hoover (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Hoover), Walt Williams, Jack Ridley, General Jimmy Doolittle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Doolittle), Buzz Aldrin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buzz_Aldrin), North American Aviation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Aviation) flight test mechanic Bob Cadick, and flight test supervisor Roy Ferren.[10] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pancho_Barnes#cite_note-12) Barnes' ranch became famous for the parties and high-flying lifestyle of all the guests.[11] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pancho_Barnes#cite_note-13)
After successful flight trials, the Muroc and Edwards test pilots (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Test_pilot) often enjoyed some good times at the Happy Bottom Riding Club. As proprietor, Barnes would offer them a customary free steak (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steak)[12] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pancho_Barnes#cite_note-Edwards.af.mil-14) dinner for breaking the sound barrier (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_barrier).[13] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pancho_Barnes#cite_note-chuckyeager.com-15)

The Docu(DVD) can prolly be picked up at a library.I have to drop off some WWII books so I'll see if they have the book "The Powder Puff Derby of 1929: The First All Women's Transcontinental Air Race" written by Gene Nora Jessen.Good Stuff
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 09, 2019, 10:18:27 AM
A little rain in West Palm right now, but it will pass soon. It's nice and warm. The bones feel much better down here.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 09, 2019, 10:28:07 AM
Interesting.  Barnes is featured in the Right Stuff.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 09, 2019, 11:18:40 AM
nice morning in Round Rock after the overnight rain, a bit windy but warm

going to HEB to pickup some beef ribs and baby backs for the smoker

my brother will tend the smoker while I play 18
The plan was to take the eldest to a live performance of Aladdin, while my in-laws watched the younger two, and then go out with all of them for pizza. Well, the younger two are sick, my father-in-law has Szogren's so he shouldn't really be around sick kids, and thus we had to reschedule our tickets.
So I'm headed to Costco for a few slabs of baby back ribs, some mac & cheese, green beans, and more wine & beer ;-) 
Will hang out today, watch the Purdue game, tend the smoker, and all will be well. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 09, 2019, 11:19:01 AM
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a25472904/2019-chevrolet-camaro-ss-automatic-by-the-numbers/?utm_campaign=socialflowFBCD&utm_medium=social-media&src=socialflowFBCAD&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR0g1VbP1uccioeozxJ63T9KkIhe6Bzt06Gwqbj57GWQB88BnbIs749RpjI

C&D runs cars on a 75 mph loop and say they got 31 mpg from this thing, which is an improvement even though the EPA mpg estimates are worse.

Maybe they put money into developing this transmission and feel as if they need to use it.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 09, 2019, 12:29:03 PM
We're off for another walk, cloudy today but nothing heavy looking.  We're going to talk over to Atlantic Station which was built on the site of an old steel mill.  We usually drive over there.

http://www.atlanticstation.com/

http://www.atlanticstation.com/directory/store-detail/399402

The Pig and The Pearl is your one-stop shop for all things smoked. The tastiest beef brisket, pork shoulder, lamb, duck and sausage you've ever had along with fresh raw and smoked seafood and shellfish highlight the menu. Simple favorites such as smoked brisket, baked beans and North Carolina vinegar slaw along with smoked sweet potatoes and freshly-fried pork skins have been elevated with precise execution and innovative presentation. The Pig and The Pearl features a full bar specializing in fresh craft punches, as well as a selection of ice cold draft beers to match with whatever you choose from our menu. The wine list pairs with both smoked meats and all seafood dishes, whether they're served raw, steamed or smoked. Classic cocktails for every taste will round out the selections, and you'll feel right at home if you choose to settle in to the bar for your meal.



Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 09, 2019, 01:43:12 PM
Are those two look a like facilities part of the old steel works
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 09, 2019, 03:55:35 PM
I had a pulled pork plate.  The pork and slaw were OK.  Service was a bit slow.  We dined outside which was nice.  It's too fancy to have real Q though.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 10, 2019, 11:03:02 AM
https://247sports.com/college/georgia/LongFormArticle/College-football-preseason-Top-25-rankings-2019-Brett-McMurphy-129777059/#129777059_24

I see two kinds of preseason polls each year:

1.  The standard kind that all look pretty much the same, a few minor adjustments from last year's final rankings, and
2.  Click bait, one obviously intended to be out of the ordinary to elicit reactions.  

The above is Number 1, and not really worth notice, I didn't see any team ranked unusually.  And of course these polls have zero impact on anything real.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CatsbyAZ on March 10, 2019, 05:10:16 PM
Brother and I attended the nearest AAF game last night. San Diego Fleet Vs Salt Lake City Stallions. The Saturday (as opposed to Sunday) timeslot plus the mild weather brought a much larger crowd than expected. Figured I could get tickets at the gate 5 minutes before kickoff and instead it was well into the 1st Q before we finally got in. Over 20K in attendance. First thing we noticed was the character of the crowd. Lots of drinking, security escorting people out, lots of vulgar language, an object tossed onto the field, girl vomited on steps, bathroom fogged with weed fumes. To their credit the crowd did mellow out as game went on. As for the on field product, everything felt and looked like an NFL or College game EXCEPT for the quality of QB play. IMO the biggest setback to the AAF right now is the crappy QBing. Was like watching Steve Bellisari passing for both teams.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 11, 2019, 03:16:25 PM
crappy QB play is also the problem with the NFL

only 5-10 QBs that can get a team to the SB
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 11, 2019, 03:35:48 PM
The plan was to take the eldest to a live performance of Aladdin, while my in-laws watched the younger two, and then go out with all of them for pizza. Well, the younger two are sick, my father-in-law has Szogren's so he shouldn't really be around sick kids, and thus we had to reschedule our tickets.
So I'm headed to Costco for a few slabs of baby back ribs, some mac & cheese, green beans, and more wine & beer ;-)
Will hang out today, watch the Purdue game, tend the smoker, and all will be well.
Brother smoked sweet taters and beans.  We went with the St. Louis style instead of the baby backs, St. Louis were a bit fatty.
The beef ribs turned out very good.  Brother has only smoked them a few times.

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Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 11, 2019, 04:14:12 PM
I didn't take pictures...

Of late, I've been pushing my ribs more towards what a BBQ aficionado might call overcooked, i.e. almost fall-off-the-bone tenderness. It's only so long that you can draw that KCBBQ "line in the sand" when everyone who eats ribs just love to gush about how tender they are.

So I've been doing it, and everyone loves it, and I'm not going to fight the masses any more lol.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 11, 2019, 04:32:55 PM
brother's wife and kids don't like BBQ much, it's why he ALWAYS smokes a pile when I visit.  He doesn't cater to the masses this way.

he certainly isn't near rare, but there's a nice pink color

I probably take too many pics, but I've found that I remember things much better when I have pics.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 11, 2019, 04:44:29 PM
Other than the guy who has a stand in the park on Saturdays at the market, I've yet to find any good Q around here.  Well, one place had decent brisket but the pulled pork was so so.  Another place has good chicken but the pulled pork is so so.  The market is only open late March to December, so I'm 2 weeks out less a couple.  I'll be glad to see him again.

The other dish I see a lot these days is "grits and something".  Shrimp and grits caught on back a few decades, OK, fine, but now I see grits and lobster and grits and BBQ and grits and pork belly.  One place even has grits and kimchee, which sounds weird to me.  I grew up with simple grits and butter.  All this other stuff is a really really cheap and easy thing to fix with some "stuff" thrown in to be cute.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 11, 2019, 04:50:25 PM
The Pig and The Pearl might be similar to one of my new favorite places in Minneapolis

The Butcher and the Boar - https://butcherandtheboar.com/ (https://butcherandtheboar.com/)

It is VERY good, grind their sausage in house and smoke everything on-site.  It's too upscale and fancy, but the food and service is outstanding.

from the website it appears they have opened a location in Charleston, SC
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 11, 2019, 04:52:22 PM
my brother doesn't smoke often, so when he does it's usually for a group and he loads up the smoker with pork butt, sausage, pork ribs, and brisket

he says if he screws something up, there will be something that turns out pretty well
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 11, 2019, 04:57:04 PM
The Pig and Pearl was average at best, more of a Millennial kind of place, not my style.  That's to be expected as the area is all newly built (in the last decade).

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 11, 2019, 10:05:23 PM
11 of the 14 schools in the conference permit the sale of alcohol at their football stadiums and in other athletic venues too. Of those schools, five sell beer -- and often wine -- to fans in general seating areas as long as they’re at least 21, according to a HuskerOnline survey of alcohol policies at Big Ten schools.

The other six schools limit beer and wine sales to suites and premium club-level seating.

https://nebraska.rivals.com/news/big-red-business-does-nu-need-beer-money- (https://nebraska.rivals.com/news/big-red-business-does-nu-need-beer-money-)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 12, 2019, 10:03:32 AM
I just got news that a fellow I knew from baseball fantasy camp died over night.  He was in his mid-40s, and "life of the party" applies to him.  He was 6'8" tall.  He had been to every camp since the first year they restarted it and the past year was with two others named to the Fantasy Camp Hall of Fame for being at every camp.  It won't be the same without Wes.

It is interesting to read on FB the outpouring of emotions, memories, grief, sadness, etc. for Wes.  He truly left an impression on us all, a very positive one.  We and his wife would host an open bar in their condo each night and the parties got lively, I could not hang with the younger guys.  Sometimes the partiers would show up the next day a bit under the weather.

I can't believe we'll have camp without Wes.  It's a sign we have a limited time here to make an impression on others, for better or worse.  Wes left the best kind of impression.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 12, 2019, 10:49:50 AM
certainly a huge loss

but, at least he lived life the right way and left a positive mark
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on March 12, 2019, 10:52:48 AM
https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?topic=8404

i'd really appreciate it if y'all could mosey over to that thread and offer some support.  it's a small thing, but you never know what fuels somebody and that kind of thing may be it.  even if you don't frequent with the XII crowd, it would be nice... we're a community. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 12, 2019, 11:27:22 AM
After my ordeal of 2005, I took a look at my life and didn't much like what I was seeing.  Too much bitterness, too much negativity, too much not being a nice person.  I realized I could not change my past, or the past, but I could change my future.

I changed.  There is no reason for it.  I realized that when I was negative and sour and mean, it just hurt me, and maybe some others close to me, it helped nothing.  I'm still working on it, but the wife often tells me I'm too nice, which is a good thing I think.

We're all mortal.  We have a chance to influence and impact others for better or for worse.  We can be tempted by "the dark side" to try and pay back others for every small wrong, imagined or real, and spiral down into being a Negative Nancy, and it ends up harming us, not them.  My focus each day is to try and smile at strangers and say hello and make people feel valued, or at least noticed positively, whether they are a bum or the janitor or a neighbor or someone I pass while jogging (or they pass me usually).

Be nice to folks.  I sometimes get my meanness out on line, but I'm pretty nice in real life.  I'm working on the on line part.  Just be nice.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on March 12, 2019, 11:53:30 AM
So this academic bribery thing, now pulling in Hollywood actresses?  Problem is they went cheap in their bribes.  You offer the school a couple million, they'll let your kid in.  Hell, I know kids who get into Michigan from my HS for less.  But these people just paid a few thousand dollars to the right people, and now are facing real charges.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 12, 2019, 11:54:25 AM
derned fine advice

I've tried to be a positive person most of my life, was raised that way and got my butt kicked if I was mean, rude, or otherwise negative

noticed in my 20s that there was far too much negativism in our world, decided I would try to be a positive source of energy

even when someone may flip me off in traffic, I smile and wave.  Doesn't seem to brighten their outlook often, but I don't let them bring me down to their negative level.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 12, 2019, 11:57:19 AM
So this academic bribery thing, now pulling in Hollywood actresses?  Problem is they went cheap in their bribes.  You offer the school a couple million, they'll let your kid in.  Hell, I know kids who get into Michigan from my HS for less.  But these people just paid a few thousand dollars to the right people, and now are facing real charges.
don't know anything about this, but would assume, you pay some $$$ to be accepted, then need to keep paying to actually gain the desired degree.  Cause if yer kid wasn't smart enough or didn't work hard enough to get accepted, they probably would struggle to gain the degree?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 12, 2019, 12:23:28 PM
As I've said in another thread, I came up with a saying:

Offense can never be given, it can only be taken.

Essentially, no matter what someone says to you, it is YOUR CHOICE whether to be offended. There are people in my life who have the power to offend me. I for years had a very thin skin with my father, and he knew how to get under it. If my wife said something really mean and hurtful to me, I would be truly and deeply hurt, because I am emotionally open to her. 

For just about everyone else in the world, I think it would be ludicrous to allow anything they say to affect my mental state. If someone says something "offensive" to me, that's their choice. I don't have to let them offend me, though. I don't have to let their negativity make me negative. I don't give them the power to determine how I feel. 

I don't understand people who wield themselves being offended as a weapon, given they have entirely the power within their own mind to control it.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on March 12, 2019, 01:10:26 PM
don't know anything about this, but would assume, you pay some $$$ to be accepted, then need to keep paying to actually gain the desired degree.  Cause if yer kid wasn't smart enough or didn't work hard enough to get accepted, they probably would struggle to gain the degree?
Eh, you have to work to do well in college, but I think you have to actively try to fail out.  The kids I know who actually failed out partied too hard, got into drugs, or had other emotional issues with being on their own for the first time. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on March 12, 2019, 01:25:27 PM
I'm reading the FBIs complaint in this case.  Incredibly sophisticated and reckless scheme at the same time.   Flying kids around, faking academic and athletic profiles , bribing college coaches, rigging tests.   The wiretap excerpts are great reading.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 12, 2019, 02:02:43 PM
my google phone says that the world wide web is celebrating it's 30th birthday!

God bless Tim Berners-Lee
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on March 12, 2019, 02:07:59 PM
I was happier when I thought everyone agreed with me
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 12, 2019, 02:14:47 PM
I was happier when I thought everyone agreed with me
Yeah, there are stages.

#3 is what you're aspiring towards ;-)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 12, 2019, 02:23:19 PM
I'm THERE!!!
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Riffraft on March 12, 2019, 02:30:21 PM
As I've said in another thread, I came up with a saying:

Offense can never be given, it can only be taken.

Essentially, no matter what someone says to you, it is YOUR CHOICE whether to be offended. There are people in my life who have the power to offend me. I for years had a very thin skin with my father, and he knew how to get under it. If my wife said something really mean and hurtful to me, I would be truly and deeply hurt, because I am emotionally open to her.

For just about everyone else in the world, I think it would be ludicrous to allow anything they say to affect my mental state. If someone says something "offensive" to me, that's their choice. I don't have to let them offend me, though. I don't have to let their negativity make me negative. I don't give them the power to determine how I feel.

I don't understand people who wield themselves being offended as a weapon, given they have entirely the power within their own mind to control it.
My dad always said if someone rubs you the wrong way it was because you had something to rub. God is just using them to smooth out your rough spots. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 13, 2019, 11:30:50 AM
Kitchen update:  The counter tops are in.  The back splash apparently was measured before the electrician put in an outlet strip below the cabinets.

They may have to recut the back splash (which is quartz).   

The wife and I went to a sushi place we had not tried before last night and sat outside, it was a beautiful evening.  The food was decent.  It gets a bit pricey over time.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 13, 2019, 11:41:37 AM
most decent sushi places are overpriced - even here in the low cost of living zone
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on March 13, 2019, 11:52:12 AM
I'm reading the FBIs complaint in this case.  Incredibly sophisticated and reckless scheme at the same time.   Flying kids around, faking academic and athletic profiles , bribing college coaches, rigging tests.   The wiretap excerpts are great reading.
The big time college sports tie in here is that one of those arrested was the guy in charge of college entry exams at IMG.  Wouldn't think any of the schools who recruited these kids would be in trouble here, but could put those kids eligibility in jeopardy.  The out could be, once again, the kid having no idea, except here it seems easier, since it appears the director was changing answers himself.  The parents obviously knew in the cases where it was due to bribery, but I'm guessing an investigation is forthcoming to see if he was doing it for other kids, to keep them eligible for IMG, or to prevent them from having their recruiting harmed by being an academic risk.  In those cases, it's quite possible he was doing it for the benefit of IMG, or himself (probably tough to keep your job if IMG's elite athletes are bombing their SATs), and it's quite possible nobody but him ever knew.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 13, 2019, 11:52:59 AM
This place had "happy hour" pricing before 7 PM so it wasn't too bad.  Their hot sake was only $3 for a small carafe, which is way less than normal.

We also tried tempura shrimp and fried rice.  There is a place we'd have to drive to called "Eight Sushi" which apparently we're told is really something.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 13, 2019, 11:59:01 AM
Pretty funny read from Rex Huppke in the Chicago Trib today.




Hello wealthy person or celebrity whose name I will not say on an unsecured phone line. Welcome to Rex Huppke’s Highly Ethical and Totally Legal College Admission Consulting Service.

I’m sure you are feeling spooked by the recent federal charges against wealthy parents who were involved in a wide-ranging bribery scheme that helped their children get admitted to prestigious universities. That entire investigation is obviously a gross miscarriage of justice. I’m sure you’ll agree, the world is filled with mundane “regular” people, but elites like yourself are rare and your children must be given every opportunity to succeed or at least pretend to succeed.

 

That’s probably why you’ve come to me. I want to assure you my services are entirely above board and will not result in you being arrested like actresses Felicity Huffman and Lori Loughlin and other people caught up in the Justice Department’s wrongheaded “Operation Varsity Blues.”

 

At Rex Huppke’s Highly Ethical and Totally Legal College Admission Consulting Service, there will be no bribing college officials or rigging entrance exams. No, I would never use such words. I prefer to describe my work as a simple exchange of ideas, with my idea being a guarantee that your not-particularly-bright offspring will attend one of the nation’s finest universities and your idea being $1 million that you will wire to my bank, which happens to have just moved to the Cayman Islands.

 


 
It’s all very legal and very cool.
 
 
 
So let’s get started!
 
 
 
First off, I don’t want you to answer any of my questions out loud, just in case federal investigators are recording this conversation. There’s certainly no reason they would be, since everything we’re about to discuss is extremely legal, but in this day and age, one can’t be too careful about rogue investigations.
 
 
 
Let’s begin by focusing on some of the things your highly qualified and academically gifted son has accomplished. Let’s say your son is on the varsity soccer team and has been scouted by a coach from Yale University (https://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/education/colleges-universities/yale-university-OREDU0000166-topic.html). Don’t respond to that, please, we’re just going to say it because I feel quite confident it’s true. Your son is now on the varsity soccer team and has been scouted by Yale. What’s funny is that while we were talking just now, I remembered I’m close personal friends with the men’s soccer coach at Yale and forgot his most recent birthday, so I wired him $100,000 because I’m a generous friend. Isn’t that a weird and legal coincidence?
 
 
 

 

Anyhoo, back to your kiddo.

 

 

 

Has he ever traveled to Puerto Rico to help build homes for hurricane victims? No need to answer that! I have a photo right here that shows him hanging drywall next to other humanitarian workers in one of the more impoverished parts of Puerto Rico. What’s really funny is that your son’s face in this Puerto Rico photo looks almost exactly like it did in that photo you emailed me for no reason, the one where he’s standing outside a boutique on Rodeo Drive in Los Angeles laughing at a homeless person. It’s almost as if it’s the same photo!

 

 

 

Another weird and completely not illegal or unethical coincidence!

 

 

 

Has your fine prodigy ever traveled to space? Because that’s something people in the college admissions biz call “a talker.” Sure would be nice to add, don’t you think?

 

 

 

I’ll take your silence to mean that your child did travel to space to perform zero-gravity cancer research on a private craft owned by one of your uber-wealthy friends who will definitely confirm said research if contacted by a university official. Great. We’re making real progress.

 

 

 

Just one more thing. Your child needs to take the SAT at his high school on April 3. Upon arrival, he should give his high school identification card to Nelson Farthington, an extremely bright classmate who has twice gotten a perfect score on the standardized test. He will be there for no particular reason. After giving Nelson the ID, your child should leave and go shopping for about three hours to celebrate how well he is going to do on the SAT that he definitely took himself.

 

 

 

That’s about it for the moment. I know these are scary times for wealthy people who want nothing more than to make sure their children are recognized for doing amazing things they claim to have done.

 

 

 

It’s sad that some in this country want to get in the way of the success your child is owed. Once I very legally ensure that your child has been placed in a prestigious university, I hope he will use that education to make the world a better and more fair place for the wealthy. Because, at the end of the day, isn’t that what really matters most?

 

 

 

Thanks for your time. I will email a new phone number when we need to speak again, as this phone will be ethically destroyed immediately after we hang up, which is a totally normal and legal business thing for me to do.

 

 

 

Stay strong!

 

 

 

 

 

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 13, 2019, 12:44:36 PM
UGA's longest road trip this season is to Jacksonville, 270 miles.

https://247sports.com/college/georgia/LongFormArticle/SEC-football-team-travel-2019-schedule-miles-129987749/#129987749_14

It's in a whole entirely completely different state.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 13, 2019, 01:04:10 PM
https://www.npr.org/2019/03/13/681621047/college-completion-rates-are-up-but-the-numbers-will-still-surprise-you

On average, just 58 percent of students who started college in the fall of 2012 had earned any degree six years later, according to the National Student Clearinghouse Research Center (https://nscresearchcenter.org/signaturereport16/).

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on March 13, 2019, 01:15:18 PM
Oh yeah, plenty don't complete, but rarely because they tried their absolute hardest and just failed out.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 13, 2019, 02:07:55 PM
true, because colleges and universities are giving more and more students diplomas to make more and more money
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 13, 2019, 02:20:54 PM
There is an online quiz (I fill them out sometimes, for fun) that today asked about PI:



In mathematics, pi is the ratio of a circle’s circumference to its ________?



46 percent of the answers were correct. 51 percent "guessed" radius.



Kollege isn't for everyone.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 13, 2019, 02:23:00 PM
Oh, and 62 percent of responders knew which network aired Magnum P.I. There is something wrong here, people.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 13, 2019, 03:05:20 PM
true.  Unfortunately, it's getting worse

exponentially 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 13, 2019, 03:07:23 PM
When I think about that, I'm glad I'm getting older. Snowflakes are going to be in charge someday.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 13, 2019, 03:12:40 PM
yup, I always thought I should have been born a couple decades earlier

I could be that much closer to checking out
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 13, 2019, 04:03:08 PM
When I was 20, the folks my age thought things were getting worse because my generation was all goofy hippies and worthless.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 13, 2019, 04:05:18 PM
What percentage of people got art history degrees back in your generation?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 13, 2019, 04:18:16 PM
What percentage of people got art history degrees back in your generation?
A fair number, I can't quantify that.  We had no engineering except for ag, so that is a factor.  Most people got business degrees and that has not changed.  Education was popular along with polysci.  Computer science was pretty popular, UGA had a large computer complex for the day.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 13, 2019, 04:21:08 PM
https://www.princetonreview.com/college-advice/top-ten-college-majors

My first daughter majored in French and English and has a very good job as a "senior web developer".  I had to memorize her job title.  The other majored in whatever but went to law school and now has a jam up job in New Braunfel, TX, however they spell that, making nearly as much as I did when I retired.

My son would be 33 today, I was idly musing about what he might be doing.  It's a sort of a dull but persistent ache.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 13, 2019, 04:32:25 PM
There is a shortage of engineers and scientists right now. Every person I know who is trying to hire cannot find anyone. The headhunters are making a killing right now.


I've got 4 snowflake nieces in Cali who majored in art history - two at Stanford, one at Dartmouth (now at Harvard in grad school, for art history) and one at Washington. But, they all have trust funds. Big ones.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on March 13, 2019, 04:36:39 PM
When I think about that, I'm glad I'm getting older. Snowflakes are going to be in charge someday.
Every generation things the next one is ruining things, and the world keeps mostly getting better.
We’ve all does this before and we all will again.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on March 13, 2019, 04:44:39 PM

There is a shortage of engineers and scientists right now. Every person I know who is trying to hire cannot find anyone. The headhunters are making a killing right now.


I've got 4 snowflake nieces in Cali who majored in art history - two at Stanford, one at Dartmouth (now at Harvard in grad school, for art history) and one at Washington. But, they all have trust funds. Big ones.
The top part links to an exponential growth in the number of science and engineering jobs. Colleges, which are often geared toward excusivity, haven’t maintained supply. 
UW made a point of trying to weed out people who wanted to be engineers. You got the kids who were good enough to not suck their first year in college and mathematically inclined, but you didn’t get more engineers. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 13, 2019, 04:45:45 PM
When I was 20, the folks my age thought things were getting worse because my generation was all goofy hippies and worthless.
they were not wrong
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on March 13, 2019, 04:53:39 PM
they were not wrong
How so. How are things actually worse? 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 13, 2019, 05:00:42 PM
The top part links to an exponential growth in the number of science and engineering jobs. Colleges, which are often geared toward excusivity, haven’t maintained supply.
UW made a point of trying to weed out people who wanted to be engineers. You got the kids who were good enough to not suck their first year in college and mathematically inclined, but you didn’t get more engineers.
We need more kids who are interested in the civil engineering field, for sure, to backfill all the ones who got out of the business when 2008 happened. The bigger problem is the knowledge gap that created. The seasoned 40 y/o engineer is just not out there. It's guys like me, or older, or very young and green.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 13, 2019, 05:02:01 PM
How so. How are things actually worse?
no, just pulling Cincy's leg
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 13, 2019, 05:03:11 PM
Every generation things the next one is ruining things, and the world keeps mostly getting better.
We’ve all does this before and we all will again.
I think we peaked in the 2000's. We'll know if I'm correct in 20 years or so.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on March 13, 2019, 05:15:20 PM
We need more kids who are interested in the civil engineering field, for sure, to backfill all the ones who got out of the business when 2008 happened. The bigger problem is the knowledge gap that created. The seasoned 40 y/o engineer is just not out there. It's guys like me, or older, or very young and green.
True. I wonder about the exclusivity. Like if you want to build elite engineers, that’s super, but you’ll have to create a mechanism to make some less elite ones too. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 13, 2019, 05:24:16 PM
Many of the elite schools turn out really crappy engineers, to be honest. Some of the "lesser" schools do a better job with practical stuff. I'd be more inclined to hire a UW-Platteville grad over a UW grad, right out of school. Same goes for Wayne State vs. Michigan. It's a book smart-life dumb thing. 



I know what the programs are, and what they do. I've been working on that over the years, in my roll on the Curriculum Committee at UW. They seem to get it, but are slow to change. Elite and all that, ya know.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 13, 2019, 07:13:39 PM
I was trying to hire a lab tech back in the day, needed a BS in chemistry and some sense.  I interview nine "locals", several from Miami U. with 3.9 GPAs.  None of them had ANY clue about lab work, at all.  Nada.  Same with 2 from Xavier and one from UC.  My boss finally found this fellow from Northwestern, sounded good to me, until I saw his resume, NW of Louisiana.  Turned out to be one of the 2-3 best lab techs I ever had.  One of the other two only had a two year degree.  Another good one was from Ohio U, with an archeology degree.  He learned stuff really quickly and was very hard working.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on March 13, 2019, 07:23:41 PM
What percentage of people got art history degrees back in your generation?
Trick question.  Back then it was called Contemporary Art
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 13, 2019, 07:27:20 PM
the real world can be VERY different than the classroom
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 13, 2019, 09:04:40 PM
Truth.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 13, 2019, 09:05:13 PM
Trick question.  Back then it was called Contemporary Art
Shame on me. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 14, 2019, 08:14:28 AM
I figure the classroom learning gives a person a basis on which to learn how to really do stuff.  Hopefully.

For a chemistry degree, one never has any exposure to the real workplace.  I know engineering has coopts, which however weird they may be in practice are a something.

Of course it often means a chem eng degree is five years instead of four.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 14, 2019, 08:46:07 AM
There is a pretty nice steak restaurant near us (haven't tried it).  The last two days it's been closed, with heavy black fabric over any windows, and next door a parking lot is full of trucks and trailers, some are parked on a side street as well, probably 40 of them.  The trailers are labeled "Lightning Productions", which means someone is shooting a TV show or something in said restaurant (I don't have any idea which).  They even have the sidewalk on Peachtree St. blocked off.  Two days, many many people involved.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 14, 2019, 10:45:34 AM
I figure the classroom learning gives a person a basis on which to learn how to really do stuff.  Hopefully.

For a chemistry degree, one never has any exposure to the real workplace.  I know engineering has coopts, which however weird they may be in practice are a something.

Of course it often means a chem eng degree is five years instead of four.


Almost all engineering degrees turn into 5 years. Mine required 142 credit hours and a senior thesis, and it is still only a BS (not an MS, as you would get in most fields with 142 hours of coursework).
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 14, 2019, 10:57:27 AM
The average time for a PhD in a science is something like 6 years now, maybe more.  Yuck.  The "standard time" is/was 4 years.  I had a couple of friends with PhDs in chemical engineering, which struck me as extreme overkill.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 14, 2019, 10:58:25 AM
6 years beyond the BS?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 14, 2019, 11:17:13 AM
6 years beyond the BS?
Yes indeed.

https://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/education/students/graduate/survey-of-phd-programs-in-chemistry.html

This of course includes summers, you don't get time off much at all.  The hard part for me was that no one was checking on "my work", so to speak, so if I didn't do anything, nobody noticed.  The first year is mostly classroom, like undergrad, so that is normal.  The second year is only 1 or 2 courses meant to help you with your preliminary oral exam, and by then you should have picked you major professor and started lab work on a project.  You have to pass cumulative written exams, and then your preliminary oral, which is not easy, and you only get two chances at it.  Once you pass the cumes and oral exam, it's 100% research, no classes, unless you are TAing.

I had to TA every year, my boss was young and had no funding.  That soaks up some time.  I had completed my undergrad by going summers in 3 years, so I had aimed to be finished before my 26th birthday, which I managed, so it took me about 4.8 years total in grad school and 3.3 in undergrad.  I was pretty slack my first couple years in grad school with nobody checking on me.

And for some folks, their research just bombs out, through no fault of their own necessarily, and they have to start something else.  And after that, some goodly number do post doctoral research for 2 more years.  You really only need that to become a professor.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 14, 2019, 11:26:35 AM
There is a pretty nice steak restaurant near us (haven't tried it).  The last two days it's been closed, with heavy black fabric over any windows, and next door a parking lot is full of trucks and trailers, some are parked on a side street as well, probably 40 of them.  The trailers are labeled "Lightning Productions", which means someone is shooting a TV show or something in said restaurant (I don't have any idea which).  They even have the sidewalk on Peachtree St. blocked off.  Two days, many many people involved.


be on the lookout for a red 68 camaro convertible
Triple D shouldn't take more than a day
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: GopherRock on March 14, 2019, 11:35:09 AM
Lots of random thoughts of yesterday's thread action:

I have several friends with PhDs in biomedical engineering, but I'm not sure how long it took them to get it. 

5 years is pretty common in engineering. Halfway through year 3, I looked to see what I would have to take to get out in 4 years, and it was NOT going to happen. 

Among the things I'm not sure about, one of them is why ASCE has been pushing so hard for it's members to get a masters degree. A masters may be needed in some sectors, but I didn't find the price tag worth it 10 years ago, and still don't, assuming I would have gotten in. I was a grinder in college, with my grades of the survive-and-advance variety.

Of the U of Minnesota's BCE Class of 2007 that had jobs lined up, less than half of them were still in the field two years later. Speaking of which, they still subscribe to a n aggressive weed-out schedule for incoming frosh.

Our agency needs to get younger, but has a hard time hiring both techs and engineers, for a myriad of reasons. Pay (already less than the private sector, with some in the Legislature bemoaning 1% annual raises as a disgraceful waste of the public dollar), requirements (must have Class A CDL with endorsements to apply as a tech), and plowing snow (many here don't belong anywhere near heavy equipment).

Most of the engineers in my office got their degrees from Iowa State (UMN, Platteville, and Mankato State follow in frequency). They're here because either they're from here, or their spouse is from here, or the spouse works for the Mayo Clinic and significantly out earns us. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 14, 2019, 07:06:12 PM
The masters degree in chemistry is a "terminal degree" in most places.  It often means you didn't pass your prelims.  Harvard confers masters degrees after you pass your prelims but that seems unusual, so PhDs rarely have a master's degree.  It's a mark of shame unless you went to Harvard.

Our neighbor just down the hall just retired as a professor of theoretical physics at GaTech.  He's  neat guy, we go out to dine with him fairly often.  He has shown zero interest in "talking shop", which is fine with me.  I did try and read up a bit on his research area.  Ha.

Our other neighbor is some kind of writer and oscillates between here and his condo in Manhattan on Central Park.  He has a very nice dog named George.  He's a nice guy also.  It's obviously a change living in a midrise condo from suburban life.  The building has 10 stories on our end and 16 on the other side away from the park.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MichiFan87 on March 14, 2019, 09:15:11 PM
The most bizarre thing about the admissions scandal is that at least some of them had the means to donate a million to get their underqualified kid in the traditional way.

I also think average intelligence has probably already peaked. The reality is that there is a negative correlation between fertility and intelligence / education. I see it for myself in looking at women's dating profiles. The women who already have and/or want kids disproportionately only graduated from high school or community college and/or have non-professional jobs. To be sure, most women want kids, regardless of their education, but more educated and professionally accomplished ones tend to have fewer, if any.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 14, 2019, 10:01:54 PM
The most bizarre thing about the admissions scandal is that at least some of them had the means to donate a million to get their underqualified kid in the traditional way.
so, what's the cutoff?
a million and it's OK?
I suppose this has been a practice for over 100 years, just adjusted for inflation
because it's traditional, is it more ethical?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on March 14, 2019, 10:16:17 PM
The masters degree in chemistry is a "terminal degree" in most places.  It often means you didn't pass your prelims.  Harvard confers masters degrees after you pass your prelims but that seems unusual, so PhDs rarely have a master's degree.  It's a mark of shame unless you went to Harvard.
That's interesting about Harvard but my experience is the same. In both biochemistry and medical sciences, an M.S. is a mark of shame. And if it's the mark you get, you pray that it happens as early as possible. The saddest story I know to tell is of a girl in my lab who pursued a project for 11 years (beginning 7 years before my arrival) and ultimately "ran out of time," was no longer welcome to enroll, and exited with a masters. Imagine all that work, those years of expecting it'd be traded for being called Doctor, and leaving entirely empty-handed. 
Soul sickening.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MichiFan87 on March 14, 2019, 10:18:31 PM
so, what's the cutoff?
a million and it's OK?
I suppose this has been a practice for over 100 years, just adjusted for inflation
because it's traditional, is it more ethical?
I'm not saying it's okay or ethical, but that's the legal and commonly understood way to do it. That's all.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on March 14, 2019, 10:21:07 PM
The admissions scandal, as I saw it, mostly reintroduced the question of the value of a prestigious college degree. And how difficult that question is to answer. Many parents either live vicariously through their children and/or use them for social status. And for them, a prestigious alma mater is incalculably valuable. Of course, parents aren't the only ones who can be struck by superficiality. Many kids want those degrees just because they want them - for competive or status reasons. 

And then there are the "good" or non-superficial perspectives. Of course, one needn't attend Stanford to become well educated. A community college grad (or in the vernacular of Good Will Hunting... a person with just 10 cents in library fees) with the right degree of curiosity and determination to chase knowledge can go anywhere once they get in the door. So, once you're years into employment (decades after graduation), the diploma doesn't seem to matter. But when starting out, it does provide a boost. And if you have eyes on something like the Supreme Court, I suppose going to Harvard/Yale is basically indispensible.

And at that point, we've just about covered the whole conversation. The only thing that's left out at this point is the stuff that's bigger than a single self-determined individual. For example: What's the value of being immersed in environments with different concentrations of intellectualism? Will the same self-determined individual necessarily turn out the same way whether they enter a highly, moderately, or lowly concentrated intellectual environment? Hard to say.

Ultimately, I think a prestigious university has a lot of non-fake value, but actually quantifying it is hard and the ways we try (like ROI - Return On Investment) probably miss the point.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 14, 2019, 10:28:54 PM
I'm not saying it's okay or ethical, but that's the legal and commonly understood way to do it. That's all.
just seems odd.  Give the right guy in admissions a million and it's all good
give the wrong guy in admissions $50,000 and it's a crime
but, I do understand that universities can make those decisions based on whatever - it's their choice
they set the rules and it's best to abide by the rules
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on March 14, 2019, 10:54:19 PM
Well said AC.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on March 14, 2019, 11:36:34 PM
just seems odd.  Give the right guy in admissions a million and it's all good
give the wrong guy in admissions $50,000 and it's a crime
but, I do understand that universities can make those decisions based on whatever - it's their choice
they set the rules and it's best to abide by the rules
Yeah, it's not the outcome but the transparency that decides whether it's legal or fraud/racketeering. But since the outcomes are similar, the ethics seem close to similar, and I think that's what is irking you. One includes lying, so the illegal method is not precisely equal, but both give kids unearned prizes and sidestep the hard life lesson of earned consequences. 
Sometimes the best thing that can happen to a young person is to receive bad news that they deserve. Whether done legally or illegally, saving them from the indignity of college rejection by swooping in with a golden ticket is misguided. Having said that, I understand the parents' motivations and bet many of us would do the same thing if in the same situation.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 15, 2019, 08:38:56 AM
I wish more people would take advantage of what their local colleges have to offer. Like, a good education in a career field, such as manufacturing, welding, dental hygiene, etc. Good/great paying jobs and no student loan debt. 



(That, or use the school to figure out what they want to do - and then transfer. Reduced student debt, for one, and not wasting money/time too.)



Not everyone needs a 4 year degree to get into a career and make money. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 15, 2019, 10:25:19 AM
You are thinking practically.  Quite a few of "us" simply don't think that way at all.

Other reasons to go to college:

1.  Meet someone educated to get married.
2.  Everyone else is doing it.  My status is damaged if my kids don't go to college.
3.  College is a fun time, you really don't have to do much studying and it delays getting a job.
4.  I wanna be a doctor, it's so cool.
5.  I'm really interested in contemporary art and want to study that.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 15, 2019, 10:35:56 AM
6) I wanted to practice my plagiarism skills
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 15, 2019, 10:45:52 AM
7) I'm a HUGE college football fan!
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 15, 2019, 10:52:35 AM
I had two kids turn in two IDENTICAL lab reports, about 4 pages worth, including all of the typos and grammatical errors.  They were in the same frat.  They just copied whatever someone had available.  So, I took them to Honor Court.  What a joke.  The "judges" asked me if I had watched them write their reports, which of course I had not, so they let them go.

I gave them both an F on the report and said if they did that again, they would get an F for the course and they said they would whine to the professor if I did.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 15, 2019, 10:55:23 AM
8) to beat the hell out of the honor court
PS I didn't know you taught
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 15, 2019, 11:15:51 AM
8) to beat the hell out of the honor court
PS I didn't know you taught
I was a teaching assistant, taught labs, boss didn't have money initially.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 15, 2019, 03:05:44 PM
1.  Meet someone educated to get married.
Well, there is the suggestion that some ladies go to school for the "Mrs degree". I don't know if you use Instagram, but there's a funny account called "overhearduniversity" -- I saw this just the other day:
(https://scontent-lax3-2.cdninstagram.com/vp/fe44c3c9ebcc12e56a912bb1930c7532/5D05F921/t51.2885-15/e35/52695153_2269531013370865_2886204475405592497_n.jpg?_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-2.cdninstagram.com)
And I only wish it were a joke...
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 15, 2019, 03:09:32 PM
Yeah, it's not the outcome but the transparency that decides whether it's legal or fraud/racketeering. But since the outcomes are similar, the ethics seem close to similar, and I think that's what is irking you. One includes lying, so the illegal method is not precisely equal, but both give kids unearned prizes and sidestep the hard life lesson of earned consequences.
I find it really interesting. You'd think that a sizable "donation" to a school like USC gets the admissions office to perhaps admit a kid who meets the minimum requirements, but is certainly below the averages for who gets admitted. 
I wonder if it's one more step in PoA. It used to be that you donated to the school and then they'd admit your kid. But if they do that, then your kid *knows* that you basically bought their admission. Just think of what that will do to the poor kid's self-esteem? Much better that you do this illegally, behind their back, so that they think they earned it!
What is worst about Lori Loughlin and her husband is apparently their daughter is complete and total twit, who is a "vlogger" and doesn't even want to go or cares about going to college. So they may both end up in jail for a girl who didn't even what what they were bribing people to give her.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 15, 2019, 03:48:44 PM
Most 17 year olds in my experience have no idea what they "want to do", and it stressed them because they surmise they are unusual.  Everyone else is going to college, except for the real dummies, so they go to college also figuring they will figure it out in college, and it seems like fun, and you might meet the dream of your life.

We've all seen "professional students" who never get past this, they often change majors on a whim and just keep going.

I recall in our high school, there were 4 or 5 "levels" of classes one could take.  The top level was IB, and just below that was AP, and below that was "College Prep".  I think they had some fancy name for whatever was below that also, but I forget what it was.  Plenty of kids took CP level course and went to college somewhere, usually not one of the better options around.

"We" are herd/social animals with a strong urge to "do what everyone else is doing".

The hardest thing in life to be is yourself.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 15, 2019, 03:50:31 PM
I was idly looking at US metro areas by population and noted the largest one I've never visited is Providence, RI.  We're headed to Boston end of the month, and I figure I can check that one off, in addition to visiting the NE states I've never visited before, which would leave me with ND and AL as sole remaining, and we're going to Alaska in September.  I expect to leave ND on the shelf.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 15, 2019, 06:25:45 PM
Most 17 year olds in my experience have no idea what they "want to do", and it stressed them because they surmise they are unusual.  Everyone else is going to college, except for the real dummies, so they go to college also figuring they will figure it out in college, and it seems like fun, and you might meet the dream of your life.
I was pretty lucky. From the time I was a child, I had already decided something related to math or science was going to be my job. When I started getting into my teen years, I realized that was "engineer", and because I was into electronics and computers at the time, electrical engineering was pretty well a slam dunk.
I know a lot of people at 17 who had no idea what they wanted to do when they grow up. I still know people at 30+ who have no idea lol.
I'm happy with my choice. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on March 15, 2019, 06:31:07 PM
I find it really interesting. You'd think that a sizable "donation" to a school like USC gets the admissions office to perhaps admit a kid who meets the minimum requirements, but is certainly below the averages for who gets admitted.
I wonder if it's one more step in PoA. It used to be that you donated to the school and then they'd admit your kid. But if they do that, then your kid *knows* that you basically bought their admission. Just think of what that will do to the poor kid's self-esteem? Much better that you do this illegally, behind their back, so that they think they earned it!
What is worst about Lori Loughlin and her husband is apparently their daughter is complete and total twit, who is a "vlogger" and doesn't even want to go or cares about going to college. So they may both end up in jail for a girl who didn't even what what they were bribing people to give her.
I kind of doubt it's that. Chances are, if your kid is enough of a problem with that much privilege, you've probably had a few screaming fights through the years.
It is weird to do because the kid at some point will be presented with evidence of their athletic background. 
A blogger I like pointed out, why send your spoiled rich child to a place that could throw them out. Send them to state school on the 7-year plan. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MichiFan87 on March 15, 2019, 06:36:02 PM
I didn't really know what I wanted to do when I was in school except I'd be best in an analytical role, since I was proficient with spreadsheets and databases. For all the adversity I've had in my career, I'm thankful I stumbled into the clean energy world. It's definitely helped me find purpose in my career and life as a whole, while I see so many other people who find little to know meaning in their careers, even if they're paid well. This is less the case in DC, naturally, but still moreso than you might expect.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 15, 2019, 07:15:41 PM
There certainly are 17 year olds who at least think they know what they want to do.  A fair number want to be doctors, until they hit freshman and sophomore chemistry.  Then they think they want to go into business.

The only thing I KNEW was I didn't want to gave to get a real job.  I delayed it as long as possible.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on March 15, 2019, 07:56:01 PM
I was pretty lucky. From the time I was a child, I had already decided something related to math or science was going to be my job. When I started getting into my teen years, I realized that was "engineer", and because I was into electronics and computers at the time, electrical engineering was pretty well a slam dunk.
I know a lot of people at 17 who had no idea what they wanted to do when they grow up. I still know people at 30+ who have no idea lol.
I'm happy with my choice.
Same here. I had a very specific idea of what I wanted to do from a young age. I mean, after 2nd grade at least, when I wanted to be an astronaut. From then on, I was all in for medicine/doctor/scientist. Luckily, it was a cool plan and pulling it off was just a matter of putting in the time and never quitting. And I've always had a knack for never quitting. The problem though is that now my story can only stay fully resolved if I pull off this Frankenstein career as a guy who sees patients, runs a research lab, and professor to undergrads/med students. If I never hold a position that simultaneously satisfies all of those, I'll be suuuuuuper bummed.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on March 15, 2019, 11:13:02 PM
I suspect that one thing the admissions scandal is going to expose is that there isn't all that much elite educating being done at some of the elite educational institutions, that the academic competition ends with acceptance, rather than with graduation.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on March 15, 2019, 11:22:52 PM
I was idly looking at US metro areas by population and noted the largest one I've never visited is Providence, RI.  We're headed to Boston end of the month, and I figure I can check that one off, in addition to visiting the NE states I've never visited before, which would leave me with ND and AL as sole remaining, and we're going to Alaska in September.  I expect to leave ND on the shelf.
I've been stuck on 49 for years.   I've decided to go to Alaska with my kids in a couple years.   Largest market I've not been to in terms of MSA is Tampa, then Sacramento.     Don't leave ND on the shelf.  You can find a reason to go there, every place I've ever been has something worth seeing, doing.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on March 15, 2019, 11:40:25 PM
I suspect that one thing the admissions scandal is going to expose is that there isn't all that much elite educating being done at some of the elite educational institutions, that the academic competition ends with acceptance, rather than with graduation.
The "isn't all that much" in your first sentence is so wishy washy that it could mean anything. But I consider myself a highest end educator**. I definitely try hard. And was educated by several highest end educators who clearly cared a lot as well. And many of my students obviously take it as seriously if not moreso as I did at their stage. So again, I think I disagree with what you said, unless "isn't all that much" conveniently excludes many professors and many more students. My take is that the physical sciences courses at Big Ten universities (I've been at three now) are taken quite seriously by the 80+% of professors and students.
**(bragging is stupid but I think I have to explain: Teaching physiology, or sometimes anatomy, my student evaluations have been the best of all professors/instructors in a large medical sciences department for 7 semesters straight. Saying it must make me seem like I have a stick up my butt, but it's a point of pride and I guess it may have made me react too strongly to your post, which may have been meant innocuously)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on March 15, 2019, 11:56:32 PM
 Don't leave ND on the shelf.  You can find a reason to go there, every place I've ever been has something worth seeing, doing.
I love that perspective. I've found the same. There are no uninteresting places or even any lacking beauty. There are only bad attitudes about places. And that's always the fault of the mentality, not of the place.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on March 16, 2019, 12:12:24 AM
People live all over this country (or globe), not everyplace is a paradise for me or for you.  That doesn't mean these aren't places worth checking out.  Half the reason I love travel, is to be surprised.  It might be a restaurant, a natural site, its often the people.  The more I think about it, some of my favorite memories are places that no such person would rank as must visit place or site.  This country has a lot to see and experience, and that most certainly includes the more remote and unknown places.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on March 16, 2019, 12:25:56 AM
Yeah, there's something extraordinary about belonging to a country that extends from ocean to ocean. It means we have everything. Tundra. Prairies, plains. Canyons. Oceans, lakes, rivers. Mountains. Monoliths. Deserts of several kinds. Taiga. Volcanoes. Geysers and Grand prismatic pool. Islands in several climes. I could obviously go on.

As to your other point, there is also something special about people and their knack to make any kind of place a home. It isn't a rule of the universe that we have to be that way, but we are. It's good.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 16, 2019, 07:32:50 AM
I suspect that one thing the admissions scandal is going to expose is that there isn't all that much elite educating being done at some of the elite educational institutions, that the academic competition ends with acceptance, rather than with graduation.
Howdy pal. I think much of this depends on the major, much as AC posted above. You may be able to sleepwalk through some majors. This I do not doubt one bit.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 16, 2019, 07:34:38 AM
Taken from a different thread...


We need many more physicians too. That won't help us here but there is a unifying thread that in an increasingly complex and specialized world, it's a real bear to keep up with human talent.

Here, I'm not even putting engineers and scientists on a pedestal as holy special people. Moreso I'm treating them as normal people with very special information and I'm claiming that our problem is an exponentially exploding doubling time of human knowledge. So recruiting and training everyone in time to keep The Brain growing (and actually make practical use of it) is a serious dilemma.

It makes me wonder about the future of knowledge creation and use. Why can't A.I. satisfy many (all?) scientific and engineering needs better than people? That's not rhetorical. I'm not trying to be cute; I don't know either way. And if A.I. can't, how will it be that people can?
Extremely complex, this all is. And yep, our local hospital is constantly looking for staff, top to bottom. Those jobs, and the education required to do them, are hard.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 16, 2019, 09:42:02 AM
    Don't leave ND on the shelf.  You can find a reason to go there, every place I've ever been has something worth seeing, doing.
try some ice fishing on Devil's Lake
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 16, 2019, 11:18:33 AM
I'd rather have my finger and toe nails plucked out, one by one, than go ice fishing. It would have the same effect on my fingers and toes anyway.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on March 16, 2019, 12:51:04 PM
I'm not interested in luxury ice fishing, where a mobile hotel room is placed on the ice. But sitting on a bucket or in/outside a particle board shanty is awesome. Maybe calling it meditative is too crunchy, but there is something pleasant about being left alone to your thoughts with cold nipping your cheeks.

If you don't have the right jacket, pants, and boots to be warm, don't go though. No one likes to be cold. 

Well geared ice fishers are never cold.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 16, 2019, 12:58:45 PM
I was probably 20 before I realized that skiing could also be done on snow.

Fishing for ice doesn't sound appealing to me.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 16, 2019, 01:04:15 PM
I'd rather have my finger and toe nails plucked out, one by one, than go ice fishing. It would have the same effect on my fingers and toes anyway.
Really,some of the best fish(Walleye/Perch) have come thru the ice 4-5 miles off shore on Erie.Doesn't get any fresher.Been over a decade however we sold our place and my friends sold their snowmobiles/ATVs.Prolly could get back into it but not worth the expense if your buddies aren't with you - for safety reasons also
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on March 16, 2019, 03:17:33 PM
The first time I was ever intoxicated was while ice fishing.   It was also 8th grade.  No correlation I'm sure.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on March 16, 2019, 04:00:29 PM
Fishing for ice doesn't sound appealing to me.
I left off that I've never even caught anything except mud puppies. I'm seriously bad. But anyone would like ice fishing anyway if they had my dad and that was the day's activity.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on March 16, 2019, 04:04:36 PM
Really,some of the best fish(Walleye/Perch) have come thru the ice 4-5 miles off shore on Erie.Doesn't get any fresher.Been over a decade however we sold our place and my friends sold their snowmobiles/ATVs.Prolly could get back into it but not worth the expense if your buddies aren't with you - for safety reasons also
I'm from the waterway connecting Huron and Erie. There's a bay in Lake St. Clair that'll fill up with 100+ trucks once the ice hits 8 inches. Breakthroughs are obviously rare or they wouldn't do it, but still it's kind of spooky. We always just walked out with a sled.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: GopherRock on March 16, 2019, 04:18:06 PM
The first time I was ever intoxicated was while ice fishing.   It was also 8th grade.  No correlation I'm sure.
I think a 750 of a distilled beverage is mandatory in ice fishing gear kits.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 16, 2019, 05:15:33 PM
Breakthroughs are obviously rare or they wouldn't do it, but still it's kind of spooky. We always just walked out with a sled.
Ya the ice though thick seems to always be cracking,groaning,gnashing.And it always seems to happen when you're walking like you've triggered a split.You're right spooky stuff.I know if stuck on a breakaway ice flow you'll pay handsomely if the Coast Guard sends choppers.For quite some time many outfitters-guides have been using air boats which are perfect even if the ice gives way they can skim across either surface
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on March 16, 2019, 05:40:51 PM
Ya the ice though thick seems to always be cracking,groaning,gnashing.And it always seems to happen when you're walking like you've triggered a split.You're right spooky stuff.I know if stuck on a breakaway ice flow you'll pay handsomely if the Coast Guard sends choppers.For quite some time many outfitters-guides have been using air boats which are perfect even if the ice gives way they can skim across either surface
Growing up, our house was on a small island in that area. 3 sides were canals and the last was the St. Clair River running between Huron and Erie. Usually the river current was too much for the canals to freeze, but after cold storms, the river would clog with icebergs from Lake Huron, the river would stop, and the canals would actually freeze like glass. That thing cracked and groaned like none other. Even worse when the coast guard icebreakers would try to open up lanes through the icebergs for commerce (it's a major throughway for oceanliners). When that happened, the boat waves would cause the canal ice to go up and down and inch or two and it'd sound like horror film background music. Scary, but eventually you'd get used to it and stop letting it disrupt your ice fishing or hockey game.
Your other point is good too. If a person's car falls through, and we assume they survive unscathed, the financials are steep. The car has to be wrenched out, at cost to owner. And insurance won't cover anything if your car is a half-mile out and falls through lake ice.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 16, 2019, 06:47:26 PM
A few years back i saw these ice flows creeping up and slowly grinding & punishing lakeside cabins - that might have been on Lake St Clair or maybe Michigan/Huron
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on March 16, 2019, 06:56:39 PM
Do you know which town that was?

And yes, ice flows are brutal and unforgiving. In the areas where zoning laws still permit people with riverfront property to extend a pier 100y or so to a boat house, it's amazing how many people still drive wood pylons into the ground. It's cheaper than steel, sure, but those ones last at least a hundred years less long. Ice bergs chop them at the knees and eventually the whole thing craters.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on March 16, 2019, 08:43:49 PM
Howdy pal. I think much of this depends on the major, much as AC posted above. You may be able to sleepwalk through some majors. This I do not doubt one bit.
Hey, Badge.  The Big Ten board is, as it was on CFN, a very busy and interesting one.
Yeah, I'd say that this problem is way more prevalent away from math, engineering, and the hard sciences.
Here's something written in light of the admissions scandal by a nationally known commentator:

"After I was admitted to Harvard Law School, I attended orientation. Our 500-strong class was gathered in Memorial Hall, in historic Sanders Theater (https://sites.fas.harvard.edu/~memhall/sanders.html), where then-Dean Elena Kagan (now Supreme Court Justice) spoke to us. She informed us that the competition was over – we were in! No need to worry about the stuff we’d seen in The Paper Chase – we were all going to leave with degrees and jobs. Not just that – as graduates of Harvard Law, we were destined to rule the universe. She informed us of how many alumni were in the Senate, how many in Congress, how many on the Supreme Court. The battle was over upon our acceptance to the institution."
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on March 16, 2019, 10:28:28 PM
What that message from Kagan means depends a lot on the attitudes of the person reading it. 

We were told the same thing when we matriculated into medical school. I bet they say the same to every entering law, dental, and business student, too. Which are all examples of this "maybe bad or lazy" message being paired with serious educating. And that doesn't have to be a paradox. It can just be a distinction that an important step is over. Or a signal that "typically everyone who gets this far is serious and you're one of them, so you're set."  Either way, we can assure ourselves that even though I received this message from Dean Paz at a first year "white coat ceremony" and was told "P = MD," as in "pass and you're a doctor," which was all true and that almost everyone graduated, getting an M.D. still took some doing. That the message doesn't (have to) contradict real education.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on March 16, 2019, 11:33:33 PM
Our late law school Dean deadpanned, 'Look to the right of you, look to the left of you.......some of you will be sleeping with each over the next three years... (after laughter)  possibly getting married, having kids, divorced.'  I'm pretty sure he said those other things suggested above but why would I remember those words, after an opening line like that.     That same Dean also covered the entire beer tab following finals following the first semester.      
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 17, 2019, 09:53:19 AM
I think a 750 of a distilled beverage is mandatory in ice fishing gear kits.
absolutely
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 17, 2019, 09:55:01 AM
Looks like a very nice week here weatherwise.  Oddly enough, we're headed to Boston the week after when weather here tends to be superb.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 17, 2019, 10:10:23 AM
weather is great here as well, upper 40s and sun

headed to Minneapolis later today, weather there will be good - low 40s and sun

scheduled for topgolf tues evening
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 17, 2019, 10:13:15 AM
Chemistry prof at UNL in the early 80's addressing my freshman engineering class of about 300

look at the person to your right and the person to the left - one of the three of you will survive and move on to get an engineering degree
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: mcwterps1 on March 17, 2019, 10:38:24 AM
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Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on March 17, 2019, 11:35:17 AM
What that message from Kagan means depends a lot on the attitudes of the person reading it.

We were told the same thing when we matriculated into medical school. I bet they say the same to every entering law, dental, and business student, too. Which are all examples of this "maybe bad or lazy" message being paired with serious educating. And that doesn't have to be a paradox. It can just be a distinction that an important step is over. Or a signal that "typically everyone who gets this far is serious and you're one of them, so you're set."  Either way, we can assure ourselves that even though I received this message from Dean Paz at a first year "white coat ceremony" and was told "P = MD," as in "pass and you're a doctor," which was all true and that almost everyone graduated, getting an M.D. still took some doing. That the message doesn't (have to) contradict real education.
No, a "competition is over now" message doesn't have to contradict getting a real education.  But it isn't ringing support for the notion that there is serious work still to be done or you won't graduate either.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on March 17, 2019, 12:03:38 PM
Our late law school Dean deadpanned, 'Look to the right of you, look to the left of you.......some of you will be sleeping with each over the next three years... (after laughter)  possibly getting married, having kids, divorced.'  I'm pretty sure he said those other things suggested above but why would I remember those words, after an opening line like that.     That same Dean also covered the entire beer tab following finals following the first semester.      
What a line! Ha
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on March 17, 2019, 02:23:22 PM
No, a "competition is over now" message doesn't have to contradict getting a real education.  But it isn't ringing support for the notion that there is serious work still to be done or you won't graduate either.
Since I wrote it that way (re: doesn't have to), I think we agree. But our tone is different. 

Do you think "doesn't have to" is better interpreted as "typically not a problem but can be" or as "is rampant problem but not for everyone?" I lean much closer to the first but acknowledge that I've picked two extremes and that there's plenty of space in between. I'm not denying that, just expressing which side of the spectrum seems to me to have more truth.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 17, 2019, 03:48:39 PM
Just back from lunch and a 4 mile walk with the wife.  The area down near Tech on this side of the freeway is growing like crazy.    Tech is expanding significantly apparently, and attracting the usual "hangers on" in a good way.  It looks to be a bit over two miles from our place to the Tech stadium, less to the baseball field, and I might take in some college baseball this spring.   I never developed the antipathy for Tech that many Dawg fans at least pretend to have in part because I almost went there.  Twice.

The Varsity is still going strong, I guess for traditional reasons.  Frankly the food isn't special at all.  I remember taking the kids there during the Olympics, we had gotten out of a late event at the Georgia Dome (basketball) and the trains were jammed, one after the other.  So I told them we'd walk to the Varsity and eat something and by then the trains would have emptied, but that never happened, they were full at 1 AM.  I had a fear I'd get on with my girls and my son wouldn't make it.

If you had a ticket to an Olympic event, MARTA was free.  Traffic was very light that whole week because everyone feared a disaster.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on March 18, 2019, 12:19:25 AM
Since I wrote it that way (re: doesn't have to), I think we agree. But our tone is different.

Do you think "doesn't have to" is better interpreted as "typically not a problem but can be" or as "is rampant problem but not for everyone?" I lean much closer to the first but acknowledge that I've picked two extremes and that there's plenty of space in between. I'm not denying that, just expressing which side of the spectrum seems to me to have more truth.
I think you're emphasizing the word "doesn't," while I am emphasizing the word "have."
I'm only referring to the humanities and soft sciences, while your perspective, I believe, is based on your experience in medical school.  Maybe there's the source of which word each of us emphasizes.

But I do think that most non-medical people would be a bit uncomfortable if they understood that nearly every student who gets into medical school graduates as a doctor.
I'm thinking of a couple of Army schools from which I graduated back in the '80s. Both Ranger School and Flight School were hard to get into and also hard to pass.  Ranger School was harder to pass than to get into, maybe because intangibles (or lack thereof) are harder to screen.  In any event, my class had a 33% graduation rate.  Flight School was harder to get into than to pass, because there were many more objective disqualifiers, but the pass rate--at least as far as making it through without having getting bumped down to a following class--was still only about 60%.  Even at that, there were students who graduated who shouldn't have.  They would get assigned to jobs like assistant airfield commander, in which they would fly a few hours a month, probably with an instructor pilot in order to minimize the risk that they would screw up and convert a helicopter into a smoking hole in the ground.
Not good comparisons, really, but I haven't experienced anything in academia close to med school.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on March 18, 2019, 01:53:21 AM
It's true that my experiences come from the physical sciences (med school and now grad school for biochemistry). But I have some experience outside that. One of my undergrad majors was political science and my wife is a professor of Spanish and linguistics. Polisci at Michigan seemed pretty serious, but maybe that was different in the direction you mean (somewhat more lax). Still, I think the difference would be easy to overstate. There's lots of ambition/competition in those halls and more to learn than is possible in a lifetime. For my wife, it's seldom acknowledged by outsiders, but linguistics is steeped in the scientific method, the functional anatomy of the mouth/throat, the nonstop evolution of languages, and neuroscience. It isn't usually regarded as a "hard science" but prob should be. And my wife will admit that she gets several students who enroll thinking they can blow it off. But, on day one of each semester, she has taken to introducing the necessary effort level as comparable to what they'd expect if this were physics. And it generally works. They get wide-eyed then they buy in or disenroll, which is good for everyone.

Spanish is probably the closest to what you've described. For many reasons, students are more likely to treat that laxly**. So stronger examples of your sense do exist. But I never meant to promise they were nonexistent. I just think the problem is focal not global, and generally under control.

**(Probably for many reasons. We live in America, where, unlike every other nation, a single language dominates from ocean to ocean, and because of our influence and economy, English is becoming a sort of lingua franca worldwide, so we don't strictly *need* to move beyond English to communicate with neighbors as they do in Europe, for example. Of course, that can change - the US has the 2nd largest Spanish speaking population in the world - but I digress. Americans also can sometimes have unhealthy attitudes about Spanish born of disrespect of the people who speak it. And these things, even if none of it is meant as mean-spirited, can make US undergrads more likely to blow off a language class with the false idea it'll be an easy A and that's especially true for Spanish.)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 18, 2019, 09:23:30 AM
Med students in general are a pretty motivated bunch.  They've been through a LOT to get admitted.  Other than for personal reasons, they are unlikely to fail to "do the work" and unlikely to not be academically qualified, so most should graduate.  In the military parallels, it could be more akin to Infantry Officer's Course in the Marines, the candidates have already been through TBS and are generally motivated, so most pass even though it is rigorous.

Grad school in the sciences is different, it's a long slog with uncertain outcomes.  Some students are academically challenged as the admission policies are not nearly so strict, and they favor English language speaking candidates.  A fair number just get tired of it and take a masters and leave, some females get pregnant, etc.  

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 18, 2019, 09:37:20 AM
It is interesting how grad school is looked at by the different majors. An MS in Engineering is NOT a consolation prize by any stretch. It is looked upon as an achievement, for sure. In my field, you don't see many PhD's in practice. They generally tend to stay in academia. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 18, 2019, 10:49:25 AM
Yup, it's just that an MS in engineering is a useful degree, in say chemistry, it's nearly worthless.  You won't get paid any more than someone with a BS.  

A PhD in engineering is nearly worthless outside academia, in many cases, whereas in the sciences it gives you an entry point well ahead of anyone with an MS.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 18, 2019, 10:56:19 AM
A buddy of mine at work had a PhD in Chem Eng, he got it at Columbia in 8 years.  He was a very smart, but very unmotivated guy.  I was about ten years in and full of ambition.  He was section head and got demoted back to staff, which was a hard knock.  I ended up being his defacto boss in the sense he was content to do whatever I asked of him, and if it was interesting he'd do an incredibly good job.  If not, well, he wouldn't do anything.

Our boss at the time was worthless and didn't care about anything at all.  We'd have weekly meetings and he'd just nod and say "Good work, carry on."

I always felt it was a huge waste of a good man, and it was.  Of course, after I'd been there 25 years or so I was much the same person though far less capable than Harry.

I wasn't burned out exactly, but my apathy was exceptional.  I didn't care, my boss didn't care, his boss didn't care, no one else cared.  That's how I ended up posting so much around here.  There was a lot of horsepower at that company sitting around doing nothing.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Riffraft on March 18, 2019, 10:57:09 AM
I'd rather have my finger and toe nails plucked out, one by one, than go ice fishing. It would have the same effect on my fingers and toes anyway.
I will never live anywhere again where there is a potential for ice and snow. I love shoveling sunshine during the winter here in Phoenix. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 18, 2019, 12:35:07 PM
When your skin is sticking to the seats in July give us an up date :dink:
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on March 18, 2019, 12:42:41 PM
My wife and I met when she was  nearing the end of Med School and I was nearing the end of law school.   She was stunned by the complete indifference we all had to studying or caring all that much as a 3L.   

We have totally different study habits and strengths , hopefully our kids can benefit from that balance.  I handle all of the writing, research and general humanities while the wife does all the math and science .
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 18, 2019, 12:54:21 PM
It is interesting how grad school is looked at by the different majors. An MS in Engineering is NOT a consolation prize by any stretch. It is looked upon as an achievement, for sure. In my field, you don't see many PhD's in practice. They generally tend to stay in academia.
I don't find that to be true in my line of work [data storage for HDD and SSD]. In order to keep increasing density, we need those PhD's, because nobody else in the world has the sort of specialized knowledge that they do. I remember one of our sales meetings a few years ago [before the SSD acquisition] where they were talking to the 400+ sales and field engineering people in the room, and said that within the company, we employed more PhD's than people in that room. 
As another point, I remember when I interviewed at Motorola coming out of college. The job I was interviewing for was doing embedded microcontroller work, and I'd be implementing the signal processing algorithms in the processors. I asked "so would I be involved in developing any of those algorithms?" The interviewer said "nope, we leave that to the PhD's."
That said, I agree with your wider point. An MS in engineering is definitely a feather in your cap. And while I'd say that a lot of PhD's end up in academia, for certain fields that's definitely not a rule. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 18, 2019, 01:01:41 PM
Regarding the "the competition is over" comment, it reminded me of a study I learned about many years back. The study was trying to correlate college choices with future earnings. 


Essentially, if you have balls and put in the time to apply to Harvard, you're probably the type of person who at least has SOME shot of getting into Harvard. You're not going to even apply if you're the type of person who would only qualify for your local community college. 

The study kind of concluded, to a large extent, that individual success had nothing to do with how "elite" the education you received was. It had much more to do with what you brought to the school to begin with. 

That said, I'm guessing that if you make it into Harvard Law School, your likelihood of blowing it after that point is nearly zero, barring outside forces [drug addiction, legal trouble, etc]. You've already signaled to the world that you're the type of person who is going to be a success. If you were going to fail, you would have done so much earlier and never gotten into Harvard Law.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 18, 2019, 01:11:14 PM
Child #2 got a law degree and passed the bar but said 60% of the class failed the bar exam first time.

I know the Patent Bar has a high failure rate.  It would be a bummer to get a law degree and not pass the bar exam, even first time.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 18, 2019, 01:23:17 PM
If I coached at a Georgia Southern kind of school, I'd run a gimmicky offense and find those "dual threat" QBs who are offered to play safety at UGA etc.  I might devise some kind of two QB system, or go the other way and just run the "single wing" kind of thing.  Sorry if you're a WR in my system, you are a decoy, you needn't come to practice.  We're going to play 8 on 8 or 7 on 7, maybe you can block a bit.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 18, 2019, 04:39:03 PM
that would be a decent strategy at many programs that want to make a sudden move up in their conference rankings

Kansas in the Big 12 or even a program like Nebraska that has recruiting challenges compared to the programs at the top of the conference.

Back in Osborne's era, there were some darn fine blockers that didn't weigh 200 lbs.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 19, 2019, 10:29:51 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbX6AT6HeYY
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on March 25, 2019, 08:44:43 PM
If I coached at a Georgia Southern kind of school, I'd run a gimmicky offense and find those "dual threat" QBs who are offered to play safety at UGA etc.  I might devise some kind of two QB system, or go the other way and just run the "single wing" kind of thing.  Sorry if you're a WR in my system, you are a decoy, you needn't come to practice.  We're going to play 8 on 8 or 7 on 7, maybe you can block a bit.
Need the WRs to work on the finer points of blocking. Gotta learn to sell those on the play-action
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MichiFan87 on March 25, 2019, 11:21:00 PM
I just got done reviewing 30 applications for Michigan's DC alumni chapter scholarship, and I have to say that most of them were rather authentic and well-written, many had a good idea about what they wanted from their college experience and even professional goals, some even already had meaningful internships and research experience, and it appeared that most of them had genuine need for the scholarship (some were first-generation students, immigrants, ailing family members, parents with blue-collar jobs, etc.). There were a few duds (and maybe the rest had already been filtered out), but I was asked to score and rank them, and most of them were pretty tough to differentiate, though it's also hard to compare an aspiring computer scientist or engineer to an accomplished musician or entrepreneur.... Unfortunately 1 will get the scholarship, and sounded like only a few others might have the means to be able to attend even though they were all admitted and many stated Michigan would be their top choice despite having also applied to Ivy League and top ACC schools.

I post this not to brag about Michigan, but it's a nice reminder that there are a lot of intelligent and motivated students out there who have integrity and don't have the advantages of people who grew up like I did, much less those with wealthier parents than mine. For any of you who have the opportunity to be involved in your own local alumni club's scholarship committee, I highly recommend it.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 30, 2019, 09:19:42 AM
Mornin' all. 


Lobster, corn and home-made fries are on the docket for tonight. I might throw an Asian twist at these things. Still thinking about it.


And F Dook.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 30, 2019, 10:14:48 AM
I was going to braise beef ribs in the crockpot, but feeling like crap

came down with something like the flu yesterday - slept from 5pm to 8:30am, waking for short parts of the basketball

going to try to buck up and make it to the bar to have a birthday schooner with a good friend - he turns 56 tomorrow

and I need to hit the grocery store, truck needs gas
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 30, 2019, 10:15:12 AM
Anniversary dinner at Amar Santana's restaurant in Laguna Beach tonight. He was a finalist on Top Chef about three seasons ago.

Then home to watch the Purdue game on DVR lol. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 30, 2019, 10:56:52 AM
Happy Anniversary! Ours is in two weeks - 22 years. Where does the damn time go?!?!?




Hope you feel better FF. Flu-like crap sucks. Maybe toss a little bourbon in with the Schooner.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on March 30, 2019, 01:16:46 PM
Builder says we should be done by June 15.    Finalizing landscaping plan today.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 30, 2019, 03:41:56 PM
Making some beer while the wife runs errands. 10 gallons of Rye Pale Ale.

One of our local breweries (Chapman Crafted) is running a homebrew competition next month, and my homebrew club is operating it. Winner has their beer professionally brewed by Chapman Crafted and entered into the Great American Beer Festival's pro-am competition. 

Going to enter the hoppy blonde I brewed a few weeks ago (probably not correct to style, so I don't expect it to do great as a blonde ale), and this. The recipe has done well in competition before, and that was long before I started using reverse osmosis water with proper mineral adjustments, so I expect this one will be even better. 

Hoping, anyway ;-) 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 30, 2019, 07:10:04 PM
Builder says we should be done by June 15.    Finalizing landscaping plan today.
I wish you would have hired a good engineer/landscape architect for your place. Dammit.
I'll critique it all when I come over to mess up your kitchen.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 31, 2019, 10:05:43 AM
puked up the Schooner at the gas station after leaving the bar

feeling a bit better this morning, got a small portion of oatmeal down

seems like it might stay down
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 31, 2019, 10:12:26 AM
[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]The NCAA’s [/color]“Day in the Life” (https://hailvarsity.com/s/6543/nebraska-players-dont-want-student-athlete-life-ncaa-is-pushing)[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)] commercial doesn’t sit right with the Huskers’ Jaron Woodyard and Lamar Jackson.[/color]

the formatting was off, but the link works
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 31, 2019, 12:25:20 PM
gonna sear the beef ribs and start the braising

feeling a bit better, hope I'm hungry in about 7 hours
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on March 31, 2019, 04:04:52 PM
I wish you would have hired a good engineer/landscape architect for your place. Dammit.
I'll critique it all when I come over to mess up your kitchen.
Hey now, the architect is a Purdue alum, as is the builder.   I think the landscape guy is a Ball St grad, but I just know he did my inlaws and we like him.   It's a pretty local build, save some of the framing joists/lumber which is Canadian, the exterior brick is from Alabama, and the cream city brick for my bar is from Milwaukee.  Hard to get local countertops.  
Builder and his millworkers have built the vanities and many of the cabinets, and all of the trim.  Here's something for our baluster/stairway upstairs.  I couldn't do this in a lifetime.  
<br />(https://i.ibb.co/fQcmXS5/20190328-194240-resized-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fQcmXS5)<br />
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 01, 2019, 06:56:56 AM
In Boston, ready to be home.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 02, 2019, 11:38:30 AM
Finally got taxes done. Ended up doing TurboTax instead of my accountant... Saved me about $275 and judging by a comparison between 2017 and 2018 returns, didn't really change the way my taxes were done in any meaningful way. So that was good.

For once I wasn't royally screwed come tax time. Getting married really helped too. But even then, I ended up owing slightly on my federal and getting a couple hundred back on state.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: GopherRock on April 03, 2019, 06:17:20 PM
Not sure if all of you heard this, but I just transferred back up to St. Paul to work in another office. Rochester was nice, but I'm glad to be back up by the fiance' and family. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 03, 2019, 06:35:23 PM
Not sure if all of you heard this, but I just transferred back up to St. Paul to work in another office. Rochester was nice, but I'm glad to be back up by the fiance' and family.
My company has a major office in Rochester MN... And if they ever tell me that I need to transfer or be laid off, I'm going to take my chances on the job market!
(Not that I have any complaints about Rochester beyond the weather; I've never been there myself. I'm sure it's lovely 2 months out of the year.)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 03, 2019, 07:09:08 PM
Not sure if all of you heard this, but I just transferred back up to St. Paul to work in another office. Rochester was nice, but I'm glad to be back up by the fiance' and family.
Congrats pal.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 05, 2019, 03:43:24 PM
Home, Uber to the airport in Boston worked fine, a bit pricey for a 30 minute ride.  Flight uneventful, caught MARTA home, lugging two suitcases about 7 blocks or so, mostly downhill or flat.  Got a bit sweaty.  This is the nicest time of the year in ATL, dogwoods in bloom and azaleas, think the Masters.  And then the pine pollen hits.

I don't see much future for cabs with Uber and Lyft.

Autonomous cars and EVs will be here in a few.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on April 05, 2019, 04:50:10 PM
Yup. Autonomous vehicles are going to put a lot of people out of work.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on April 05, 2019, 05:00:49 PM

USS Constitution? And which submarine--the Lionfish?

I've got to get the in-laws (who live in MA) to take the boy to Battleship Cove and Maritime Museum.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 05, 2019, 05:01:45 PM
http://www.ussalbacore.org/ (http://www.ussalbacore.org/)

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on April 05, 2019, 05:16:33 PM
The Iowa has an exhibit running right now called "Lost at Sea" that focuses on naval shipwrecks. It included the Hood and the Bismarck, but more interesting (and previously unknown to me) was the section on the submarines Thresher and the Scorpion. Yeesh--what an awful fate.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 05, 2019, 05:21:04 PM
The HMS Hood did a lot to make the Bismark famous, really.  The odd thing is that the shot that blew up the Hood MAY have originated with the Prince Eugen that was with the Bismark.

The Hood was a large battle cruiser that lacked armor in key spots.  I was musing that the USS Constitution was a kind of battle cruiser of its day, fast enough to run from a real "ship of the line" and armed well enough to dominate other frigates.  

The German ship Tirpitz is less famous but had a larger impact on the course of the war just by "being".
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on April 05, 2019, 05:50:20 PM
Indeed. The boy has a model of the Tirpitz...and one of the Bismarck, the Missouri, and he's currently working on the Yamato (Iowa is next--why he felt the need to do the Iowa after the Missouri, I'm not sure). Unlike the Bismarck (scuttled, though it would have sunk eventually), the English actually sunk the Tirpitz--the ship that was the reason for the Iowa sailing in the Atlantic. When the Tirpitz went down, the Iowa was sent to the Pacific.

And the Hood--also a rough fate, with only three of the 1500 on board rescued.

My grandmother remembers sitting around the dinner table with her father, a Navy Captain, listening to worry about the Tirpitz coming out of port.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on April 05, 2019, 06:53:28 PM
The HMS Hood did a lot to make the Bismark famous, really.  The odd thing is that the shot that blew up the Hood MAY have originated with the Prince Eugen that was with the Bismark.

The Hood was a large battle cruiser that lacked armor in key spots.  I was musing that the USS Constitution was a kind of battle cruiser of its day, fast enough to run from a real "ship of the line" and armed well enough to dominate other frigates.  

The German ship Tirpitz is less famous but had a larger impact on the course of the war just by "being".
The British had a lot of emotion invested in the Hood.  She was built before the Washington Naval Treaty of 1922, which--among other provisions--limited the size (weight, actually, but it's somewhat the same thing) of capital ships.  The battleships built after than were known as "treaty ships," and they were less than satisfactory.  They had to give up something--armor, armament, or propulsion--to stay within the treaty limits.  You got battleships like Nelson and Rodney, where there were no main guns aft of the superstructure, which was located about 2/3 of the way back to the stern.  They were jokingly referred to as Nelsol and Rodnol, as they sort of resembled a class of fleet oilers.
Back to Hood, Johnny Horton didn't invent calling her "The Mighty Hood."  That was how the British saw her--she was the largest battle cruiser ever built, the Pride of the Fleet.  As you mentioned, it was believed that she was fast enough to escape from any ship she couldn't outgun.  Analysis of Jutland cast doubt on that belief, as Beatty's battle cruisers did not fare well in that fight, and Hood's armor was upgraded between the wars.  She was scheduled for a major rebuild in 1941 to correct several shortcomings when WWII broke out.  She never got the upgrade.
Nice comparison to the USS Constitution and her fellow big frigates.
The Germans had had a different philosophy in building battle cruisers before WWI.  Instead of reducing armor protection, they reduced the size of the main guns.  These fared better at Jutland than the British ones.  They were badly shot up, but none of them blew up like three of Beatty's did.
WWI did a lot to kill enthusiasm for battle cruisers, and several of them--some already built, others still under construction--were converted to aircraft carriers.  Lexington and Saratoga were the American examples of this.
Nazi Germany built the Scharnhorst and Gneisenau before WWII.  They were sometimes called fast battleships, but they were really battle cruisers.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on April 05, 2019, 07:41:49 PM
Hood's companion in the Battle of Denmark Strait was the battleship HMS Prince of Wales.  She was designed to the limits of the Washington Treaty.  What she gave up was firepower--she only had 14" main guns.  It was her first fight--in fact, she wasn't even quite finished.  She put to sea with civilian workers still aboard.  She was hurt in that fight, with one shot from Bismarck killing everyone on her bridge except her captain and one other officer, and another shot disabling her aft turret.

Two months after that, she took Winston Churchill to secretly meet Franklin Roosevelt in Placentia Bay, Newfoundland for the "Atlantic Conference," which produced the famous Atlantic Charter.

Army Air Forces chief Hap Arnold went to that meeting too.  There's a great monograph about how four AAF Forces officers planned the U.S. air war against Germany during the nine days Arnold was gone.  It's Planning the American Air War: Four Men and Nine Days in 1941, by James Gaston.  Here's a passage about Prince of Wales.  Gaston contrasts what has happened and what will happen to Prince of Wales with what most Americans are thinking about in that last summer of our peace: new music, new fashions, and summer vacations.

Quote
Fifteen hundred miles to the northeast [of Coney Island], though, the threat of much more than a gasoline shortage had become very real to Hap Arnold. Thanks to Captain J.C. Leach and the Prince of Wales. Arnold had looked closely at a war that had little to do with windshield stickers or gas station curfews.  Something more than a funhouse demon had mauled Britain's proudest battleship, and something more than "production line" fashion shows and the "Defense Swing" would soon be demanded of America.

Four months later, almost to the day, something more was demanded of J.C. Leach. Off Singapore at 11:45 A.M. on 10 December, Japanese torpedo bombers caught the Prince of Wales in open seas with no air protection. Within an hour, the ship's condition was hopeless. At 1:15, Leach gave the order to abandon ship. Several of his men escaped, but Leach remained on the bridge until escape was impossible. He spoke his last words to another British ship in the area—"Goodbye. Thank you. Good luck. God bless you."—from a spot 9,600 miles west of New York, a world away from Coney Island.

Prince of Wales, along with modernized battle cruiser HMS Repulse were sunk 2 days into the Pacific War.  For anyone who cared to learn, it was proof that battleships could not survive against determined air attacks.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 05, 2019, 07:56:02 PM
Speaking of Singapore, there is of course the old story that the guns of the fortress could not be turned around to fire on the Japanese who invaded by land instead of sea.  Reality is that guns were equipped with only armor piercing shells, not high explosive, so they'd be of little value against an armed force on land.  Naval guns would fire either armor piercing rounds, which were mostly steel, or high explosive, which were mostly, well, explosive.  Tanks today use the same basic concept firing either sabot rounds of HEAT rounds, in the main.

An M1A2 fires a sabot round of repleted uranium which carries a lot of momentum to whatever it hits.  The Russian tanks were often equipped with reactive armor that would explode outward when hit, but the sabot would go right through, and generate  a lot of heat if it did not penetrate.

The USS Washington fired somewhere around 78 rounds in a night battle with the Japanese battle cruiser Kirishima near Guadalacanal and had estimated 9 hits, at 10,000 yards or so, radar guided, in 1942.  The IJN Kirishima was sunk.  Not an equal contest, and one of few battleship engagements in WW Two.

Most battleships never did what they were designed to do, fight other BBs.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on April 05, 2019, 08:11:36 PM
Prince of Wales, along with modernized battle cruiser HMS Repulse were sunk 2 days into the Pacific War.  For anyone who cared to learn, it was proof that battleships could not survive against determined air attacks.
Old Chester was ahead of the curve in naval warfare in both submariners and flattops.Some old ships that were being scuttled were use to demonstrate by Bill Mitchell what Air Power could do.The other old Navy Captains were poo-pooing the idea,but Chester was moving that program forward after Mitchell's demonstration of demolition
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on April 05, 2019, 09:28:43 PM
CD:

Bismarck and Tirpitz may have had exaggerated reputations.  In some ways, they reflected WWI-era thinking.  For example, they had two different types of medium guns--12 150mm (5.9") guns for use against ships and 16 105mm (4.1") guns for anti-aircraft fire.  By comparison, the American Iowa-class battleships had 20 dual-purpose 5" guns.  This left more room on the Iowas for smaller 40mm and 20mm AA guns.

Also, the Bismarcks were designed for a different role for what they were intended to perform.  From the start, they were intended as commerce-raiders, and that's how they were used.  But they were designed to slug it out with other battleships, and did not have the range that commerce-raiders needed.

Here's an amateur analysis that concludes that the Iowa-class battleships were the best ever, significantly better than the much-bigger and more heavily armed Japanese Yamato-class ships.  The Bismarcks don't come out very well here either.

http://www.combinedfleet.com/baddest.htm (http://www.combinedfleet.com/baddest.htm)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on April 05, 2019, 09:35:45 PM
Mr. Nubbz:

I grew up as the son of an Air Force fighter pilot and I loved Billy Mitchell (although he was a bomber guy).

But Mitchell cheated in those demonstrations against the German battleship Ostfriesland.  He used 2000-lb bombs instead of the agreed-upon 1,000-pounders.  And his supporters falsely claimed that the Ostfriesland had been a reputedly unsinkable super-battleship.

This sort of thing is what eventually got Mitchell court-martialed.

In addition, the German ship was anchored, making it a sitting duck.  Hitting a ship maneuvering at speed is a much more difficult task than hitting a stationary one.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MichiFan87 on April 06, 2019, 12:25:02 AM
GreenTechMedia's Interchange podcast just had an episode about the future of autonomous / electric vehicles. Unfortunately, they probably won't be mainstream as soon as previously thought, even with Lyft's recent IPO and Uber's upcoming one. It's still a matter of when than if, but regulatory issues and bad press (eg. Uber and Waymo's accidents) don't help. They should proliferate within cities first, though....
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 06, 2019, 07:32:44 AM
The track record for the B-17 hitting moving ships in WW I is apparently one for a whole lot.  Some Japanese destroyer was hit with a bomb from a B-17.  You can't hit a ship from altitude that is at sea except by chance.  Dive bombing was of course far more accurate and the Japanese had a tremendous torpedo that did most of their damage to ships, air or ship/boat delivered.  My Dad was a radar operator on a B-24 in the SW Pacific and he told me they would line up and drop on night shipping at low altitude and the radar would "time" the bomb release.  The Japanese couldn't see them.  They went down in the ocean - reports vary about where - and 3 were later rescued, so I have his Purple Heart now.

They carried guns and gunners who never did anything and once they talked the pilot into attacking a Japanese air strip to strafe.  They did that once.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on April 06, 2019, 10:14:57 AM
The B-24 was the world's most produced bomber, heavy bomber, multi-engine aircraft, and American military aircraft in history.

It was a clumsy airplane, difficult to fly in comparison with its contemporaries.  The "Davis" wing was very efficient, giving it more lift than a B-17 had with less wing area.  But was not effective at high altitude, so the B-24 had a lower ceiling than the B-17.  It also was very adversely affected by icing.

The twin tails contributed to its poor handling, and eventually the thoroughly reworked PB4Y-2 Privateer naval variant had a tall single tail that was a decided improvement.

It's most famous mission was probably Operation Tidal Wave, the Ploesti raid of August 1943.  53 aircraft (out of 177 that took off) and 660 air crewmen were lost. It was the second-worst loss ever suffered by the USAAF on a single mission.

Aircrews preferred the B-17, but the Army, looking at range and bomb-load stats ordered B-24s in huge numbers--18,500 of them were built, including 4,600 made by Ford at its gigantic Willow Run factory.

I imagine it would be pretty hairy strafing an enemy airbase in a B-24.  Or dropping down to bomb ships at night.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/Operation_Tidal_Wave_in_1943.jpg/1280px-Operation_Tidal_Wave_in_1943.jpg)

A B-24 Liberator called "Sandman" during a bomb run over the Ploiești Astra Romana refinery during Operation Tidal Wave.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on April 06, 2019, 10:22:21 AM
I used to spend idle time waiting for my Dad's flight home in the Billy Mitchell gallery of flight at Mitchell Intl Airport in MKE.  He, and his father, have a lot of things with the Mitchell name.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 06, 2019, 10:32:08 AM
With radar, my Dad's plane could see enemy ships and they couldn't see the bomber, they still fired into the air.  He told me their standard bomb run was at 500 feet.  They would try to line up with the long portion of the ship using radar and Dad would connect his radar to the bomb release and when a line met another line they would drop 500 lb bombs automatically.

The planes had turbocharger problems also, the night they went down they had to go back because a turbo "ran away" on run up, I'm not sure what that means.  Perhaps the waste gate locked closed, don't know.  He said the planes would take off over loaded every time and reach the end of the run way and the copilot would retract the gear and the plan would sink almost into the ocean.  They went down in the second aircraft.  My Dad had a real struggle getting his Purple Heart because of the records fire and the general war mayhem at the time.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 06, 2019, 10:32:49 AM
Incidentally, the Air Force Museum in Dayton, Ohio is the most expansive and complete I've ever seen anywhere.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on April 06, 2019, 10:51:23 AM
Flying at 500 feet at night over water with no visual references in a B-24 strikes me as reasonably hairy even without the bombs and enemy defensive fire figured in.  500 feet is only about 4 1/2 B-24 wingspans (110 feet).  It wouldn't take much of an abrupt maneuver to drop 200-300 feet in altitude.  I wonder what they used to indicate their altitude.  The standard altimeter, with the barometric pressure having been set before takeoff at home base, could have been off by quite a bit hundreds of miles away.  But I don't think they would have had anything else.

Army helicopters--which routinely fly night missions at low levels--have radar altimeters.  I'm pretty sure those did not exist back in WWII.

Those turbo-superchargers were pushing the edge of technology, I think.  I know that P-38s and P-47s had trouble with them.  Probably B-17s did too.

I had an uncle who served in WWII (Navy torpedo-bomber gunner), Korea (Air Force Reserve RB-29 flight engineer) and Vietnam (Air America flight engineer).  All his records were lost in the St. Louis fire.

I'd love to see the Air Force Museum someday.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 06, 2019, 11:01:42 AM
The radar could "see" clouds, according to my Dad.  He said they could tune in a frequency to show where clouds were heaviest.  I imagine they had a radar altimeter at the time.  It would be an easy technology relatively speaking.  They had a mission to Truk he told me about with the "daylight boys".  They took along a "Snooper" to fly them around the worst of the clouds as the distance was at extreme range (I think they were based on New Georgia at the time, but they changed bases over the months.)  The radar plane he said never came home after those raids, he was waiting their turn fatalistically.  Now, some of what my Dad told me is probably somewhat distorted of course.

I know the B-24 had an advanced autopilot which made it preferred in the Pacific, perhaps it was slaved to the radar altimeter?  Maybe I misrecall 500 feet, also possible.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on April 06, 2019, 11:46:27 AM
Heh!  Checking the Font of All Wisdom and Knowledge, I see that radar altimeters WERE used in WWII, although a quick Google search doesn't turn up anything about their use on B-24s.  Could the flight controls have been slaved to one?--maybe so.

I wasn't doubting the 500' figure.  Just saying that that would have been a bit tense at night.  Flying an AH-64 Apache at 100 feet and 100 knots at night--even with pretty good night vision systems--is tense.  Flying a lumbering B-24 at 200 knots, low level, at night . . . that's not a walk in the park, even without having enemies out there who want to kill you.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 06, 2019, 11:50:30 AM
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51Z2oMmBC3L._SX382_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 06, 2019, 11:51:54 AM
https://rec.aviation.military.narkive.com/9UiIcrUv/sb-24-snooper-aircraft (https://rec.aviation.military.narkive.com/9UiIcrUv/sb-24-snooper-aircraft)

The Internet is wonderful.

Both of these squadrons were equipped with the “SB-24″ in October
1943. The initial allotment was ten “SB-24s” for the Solomons and 13
for New Guinea. The “SB-24s” were modified B-24s but I have been
unable to find any information about the number that existed.

What makes these two squadron unique is that they operated
“SB-24s” (an unofficial designation) that were equipped with blind-
flying equipment consisting of the SCR-717 10-centimeter Sea Search
Radar, the SCR-729 Aircraft Radar Beacon (aka “Rebecca IIA”) and a
number of other devices including an absolute altimeter, a radar scope
and a bomb-release mechanism. The mission of both squadrons was for
low level, anti-shipping strikes under the cover of darkness. They had
this capability because the radar-sighting devices permitted operation
of the bomb-release mechanism irrespective of visual sighting of the
target.

Some four-engine SB-24 bombers were equipped with SCR-717 air-to-
surface radars for finding targets at night and AN/APQ-5 low altitude
radars for bomb aiming. Called “Snoopers,” two squadrons of about
forty SB-24s serving with Fifth, and Thirteenth Air Forces claimed to
have sunk 344 enemy ships, barges, and sampans at night, with 62 more
probably destroyed and 446 damaged.

By March 1944, the Japanese ceased sending shipping convoys to the
Solomons area and the 868th Bombardment Squadron was out of a job and
were subsequently used as pathfinders for high-altitude bombers. I
believe the 63d Bombardment Squadron also converted to high level
bombing in 1944.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 06, 2019, 12:00:57 PM
absolute altimeter

an aircraft altimeter that determines distance to the earth by radio measuring the time needed for an emitted wave to reach the earth and reflect back to the aircraft


Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on April 06, 2019, 04:12:04 PM
And there you have it.

Learn something new every day.

The B-24 article in the Font of All Wisdom and Knowledge mentions the SB-24 once to say that it operated against enemy shipping.  No information about its equipment, or whether this was a field modification or what.

One of the five plants that build B-24s was one at the Tulsa airport, a factory that the federal government been built using Reconstruction Finance Corporation funds and then leased to Douglas Aircraft.  Douglas built just under 1,000 of them there.

The final Douglas-Tulsa B-24 built was a B-24J-10-DT, S/N 42-51430.  It was paid for by the Douglas workers there, by subscription, I believe.  It was named the "Tulsamerican," and received its nose art there at the factory.  It rolled off the assembly line on 31 July 1944, and crash-landed in the Adriatic Sea returning from a bombing mission on 17 December of that year.  Seven of the 10 crewmen were rescued.  Here's an article about a NOVA episode (https://www.nationalww2museum.org/about-us/notes-museum/nova-dives-story-tulsamerican) featuring the effort to research the crash site and recover any remains or artifacts of the missing crew members.

(https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/tulsaworld.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/8/77/877e424c-70ef-54d3-bddb-f9ddf76e0050/5aaad84ee05bd.image.jpg?resize=1200%2C959)

The nose art would not cut it today, of course.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 07, 2019, 08:35:48 AM
It wasn't a field mod.  My Dad's compartment was down near the front of the bombay, he said it was a tough crawl to get there.  He had to roll down the radar dome which replaced the belly turret by hand crank, and it took some time, and was done after they were at altitude because of the drag.  He said the dome was very heavy, and his guess is when the plane hit the water the dome tore the fuselage in half and he floated out.  He was largely unconscious through the night and the flight lieutenant kept him and the copilot afloat until they were rescued by a US destroyer.  He really admired the Flight Lieutenant who he mentioned often, an Isadore Lamica from NY state.  He was later killed in the war.

The radar was a separate compartment and slaved to the bomb "sight".  It sounds to me like a pretty significant mod, probably done at Langley.  My Dad's first missions were against German U Boats using B-18s equipped with radar.  He flew B-25s a few times there in Virginia, and he commented about how they were like fighters compared with heavy bombers.

I met the copilot once when I was a kid, his forehead sloped back very oddly because he went through the wind shield and apparently Lamica who was not badly hurt followed him on impact.  Those three were the only survivors in the crew.  They were in the ocean all night in effect, my Dad drifting in and out of consciousness.  The official records claim the plane went down shortly after takeoff, but my Dad contends they were aloft because he had rolled the dome down into position and that would have been at least 30 minutes out.

My Dad had been a radioman and had been selected for OCS when he was diverted to something they wouldn't tell him about, radar school.  The crew was supposed to shoot him if they were about to be captured by the Japanese, though my Dad said he really didn't know much of anything that would benefit the Japanese.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on April 07, 2019, 09:35:26 AM
Dad had been a radioman and had been selected for OCS when he was diverted to something they wouldn't tell him about, radar school.  The crew was supposed to shoot him if they were about to be captured by the Japanese, though my Dad said he really didn't know much of anything that would benefit the Japanese.
Nice guys,you'd think prospective radio men could have used that little bit of information.At least for Life Ins. sake.Bad enough the Zeke's were trying to blast his ass,he had to keep an eye out for the waist gunner and navigator also.My hats off to them.CD you have any old archived articles on this cached?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 07, 2019, 02:57:47 PM
There isn't a lot on line or anywhere about the 868th Snoopers because they were "secret".  There is one book that I have somewhere around here.  I have a CD with the records of each aircraft, it's called MACRS or something like that.  It's somewhere too.  Some stuff disappeared in our move.  Mostly I have my memories of my Dad's stories which he would get into on rare occasions when I was 10 or so and thought war was a glorious affair like the movies.

I came across on line the nephew of Lt. Lamica in 2005 and was exchanging information with him.  He was a Navy Commander about to retire and said the family knew nothing beyond that his uncle was KIA in the war, not even which theater.  I had a lively discussion going with him but that was July 2005 and August of that year hit me pretty hard.

My Dad talked about Lamica more than anyone else.  My impression is the gulf between officers and enlisted was nonexistent on a bomber crew aside from on a mission, my Dad was a Tech Sergeant (an E7 I think, maybe E6).  Lamica tried to talk my Dad into going on leave with him in 1944 to NZ and my Dad was still limping around and didn't go.  The bird Lamica flew out on was lost and never heard from again.  I think they were back on Guadalcanal at that point at a hospital, I'm not sure.  My Dad mentioned Noemfore a few times but I'm not clear if they flew out of there or not.  I believe the plane went down June 1944, it may have been March.  I need to find my files on it all.

So, I am in possession of two Purple Hearts.  When I was in college I mentioned possibly doing AROTC to my Dad and he was emphatically against it.  I wanted to save him some money.  That was circa 1973.  I was a bit nervous telling him when Chris enlisted in the Marine Corps, but he was surprisingly positive about it.  He apparently thought highly of Marines.  I have some photos of my son in his Deltas just out of recruit training with my Dad and Mom, both have passed on now.

I guess I am suitably digressing.  My other two kids are doing very well for which I am very thankful.  Seeing your kids grow up to be pretty happy is a good thing.  And I have "step kids" now who are close to me as well.  They are all grown too.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on April 07, 2019, 03:06:11 PM
Thank You,if you ferret out or stumble across anything post it here if you feel like it.Hope you find those things missing from the move

In the middle of some projects,read at least 10 books on WWII in the ETO since last March(2018).Lots of projects I'm looking at that should have been addressed.If I can find that book "Snoopers" - it'll be on my bucket list
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 07, 2019, 03:55:25 PM
The first book I'd suggest on WW II would be "With the Old Breed" by E. B. Sledge.  It's considered a classic, and is on the Commandant's reading list, which is a pretty good list incidentally.  The second would be "Barbarossa" by Alan Clark.  

I still have boxes of "stuff" I have not gone through after the move.  Some of it is emotionally taxing to look through.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on April 07, 2019, 04:27:02 PM
Another good WWII book is WWII, by James Jones.  Yes, the James Jones who wrote From Here to Eternity and The Thin Red Line.  It's nonfiction.  The basic thread is "the evolution of a soldier."  Along the way he intersperses his takes on wartime propaganda, his own experiences in the war, wartime art, etc.  I used to have two copies of it, the first a coffee-table-sized paperback and the second a hardback of the same size.  Now I can find neither of them.

:73:
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 07, 2019, 04:28:16 PM
I had a book somewhere entitled "How I keep losing things and forgetting stuff often".  No idea where it went.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on April 07, 2019, 04:59:43 PM
 :57:
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Riffraft on April 08, 2019, 12:14:49 PM
I have a first edition set of Winston Churchill's History of World War II. Was a long but interesting read. Personally I would have never spent the money on it, but it was a gift from someone who knew how much I love history.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 08, 2019, 04:32:16 PM
Kitchen update - Still not completely finished, but functional and usable, finally.  Some minor details to be done.  The wife is quite the detail oriented person fortunately for me.

The good news is she likes it.  I'm fine with it.  I also learned to use the electric grill, which is a plus.  I had previously eschewed it as a toy.

I need to spend time learning more about the new stove, it's complicated.  I can't figure out how to set the time as of yet.  It has a cooking probe in the oven which strikes me as being very useful.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 08, 2019, 04:43:49 PM
What kind of stove did you get?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 08, 2019, 04:54:22 PM
It's a Bosch with an induction cooktop.  

https://www.lowes.com/pd/bosch-800-series-4-6-cu-ft-slide-in-true-convection-induction-range-stainless-steel-common-30-in-actual-31-5-in/1000228503?cm_mmc=shp-_-c-_-prd-_-app-_-google-_-pla-_-186-_-sosranges-_-1000228503-_-0&kpid&k_clickID=go_625713068_34614754270_111134532430_pla-259692503469_c_9010928&gclid=Cj0KCQjw4qvlBRDiARIsAHme6otYKoF-6Bo7xYeuUqDrrvDULGaPig_9ir9hlvr0gCyFd42jthR6CeUaAlfIEALw_wcB (https://www.lowes.com/pd/bosch-800-series-4-6-cu-ft-slide-in-true-convection-induction-range-stainless-steel-common-30-in-actual-31-5-in/1000228503?cm_mmc=shp-_-c-_-prd-_-app-_-google-_-pla-_-186-_-sosranges-_-1000228503-_-0&kpid&k_clickID=go_625713068_34614754270_111134532430_pla-259692503469_c_9010928&gclid=Cj0KCQjw4qvlBRDiARIsAHme6otYKoF-6Bo7xYeuUqDrrvDULGaPig_9ir9hlvr0gCyFd42jthR6CeUaAlfIEALw_wcB)

Shoot, it's 10% off right now.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on April 09, 2019, 12:56:21 PM
Bama and Oklahoma agree to a 2032 and 2033 home and home.  Saban is cool with on campus games when he knows he'll be long gone by then.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 09, 2019, 01:58:29 PM
Supposedly UGA was in discussions with OU, but perhaps this is in lieu of that for OU.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on April 09, 2019, 08:31:47 PM
Supposedly UGA was in discussions with OU, but perhaps this is in lieu of that for OU.
You'll play Texas and like it! ;)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on April 09, 2019, 09:22:57 PM
Supposedly UGA was in discussions with OU, but perhaps this is in lieu of that for OU.
Sooners heard that rumor too.  Maybe this was the source of it: https://thespun.com/college-football/georgia-oklahoma-football-series-schedules (https://thespun.com/college-football/georgia-oklahoma-football-series-schedules).
I rather take exception to this in the story.
Quote
Oklahoma’s next decade worth of non-conference opponents is a little murkier. Aside from games against Big Ten giants Michigan and Nebraska, and a 2020 game against Tennessee the Sooners have relatively little meat on their non-conference schedule.
OU's OOC opponents from 2020 to 2036 include: Nebraska x 4; Tennessee x 2; Michigan x2; Alabama x2; Clemson x2; LSU x2.
OU's got seasons with no marquee OOC game so far in 2023, 2031, and 2034.  2023 will mark the centennial of Oklahoma Memorial Stadium, so we're hoping for a big-name rival.  Some of us jumped to the conclusion that the supposed games with Georgia might include one in Norman that season.  That would have been good news.  Not the biggest of big names, but big, and one who's got scoreboard on us in our only meeting and who is at the top of their game right now.
But my default big-name program is always Notre Dame, even though the Irish "are not now that strength which in old days moved earth and heaven," they are what they are.  We played a singleton game at South Bend in 1999, and I'd like to see a decades-later follow-up in Norman. 2023 would be a good year for that.
Other teams we don't have scheduled down the road (and haven't played semi-recently) that I'd like to see us play start with USC--the butt-kicking we took in the 2004-season Orange Bowl NC game still stings like two losses.  And then, in no particular order:
Penn State
Wisconsin
Stanford
Florida
I'm sure there are others I'm not thinking about.
We've never played Michigan State.  That should end some day.
We're 0-1 vs. Navy.  We should try to find an opportunity to address that some day.
We're 3-4 vs. Miami.  I'd like to see a series with the Canes.  We went 33-3 from 1985 through 1987.  The three losses were to Miami, and they cost us two national championships.  Incredibly, the other Miami win was one of Randy Shannon's insufficient-number-to-keep-his-job wins as Miami HFC--21-20 in 2009 over Bob Stoops.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 09, 2019, 09:25:24 PM
I'd probably travel to Norman for a game against Big Red. And we all know who Big Red is around here.  :72:
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MichiFan87 on April 09, 2019, 10:07:38 PM
It's kind of absurd how big non-con games are already being scheduled in the 2030s. Michigan is set through 2027 with Washington, UCLA, Texas, and Oklahoma, but hopefully they'll get a 2028/2029 series scheduled before all the other top programs are unavailable. According FBSchedules.com Tennessee still appears to be free, which would be a nice opportunity to avenge the 2001 Citrus Bowl, as is Texas A&M, but beyond that are the likes of California, Mississippi, and West Virginia, with those options being surprisingly limited, as well.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on April 09, 2019, 10:15:00 PM
Here's UGA's 24/7 site with a board discussion of the supposed OU-Georgia series as a 2023 game in Norman and a 2031 game in Athens.  The source cited is an OKC radio station.  I have heard that former-Sooner-now-radio-host Dusty Dvoraceck announced it.

https://247sports.com/college/georgia/Board/19/Contents/UGAOU-Football-Game-131007141/ (https://247sports.com/college/georgia/Board/19/Contents/UGAOU-Football-Game-131007141/)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on April 09, 2019, 10:21:09 PM
It's kind of absurd how big non-con games are already being scheduled in the 2030s. Michigan is set through 2027 with Washington, UCLA, Texas, and Oklahoma, but hopefully they'll get a 2028/2029 series scheduled before all the other top programs are unavailable. According FBSchedules.com Tennessee still appears to be free, which would be a nice opportunity to avenge the 2001 Citrus Bowl, as is Texas A&M, but beyond that are the likes of California, Mississippi, and West Virginia, with those options being surprisingly limited, as well.
I'm looking forward to the OU-Michigan series.  Strange that the two programs have only met once.  Les Miles was playing for Michigan in the 1975 (season) Orange Bowl game.  I wonder if he ate any of the turf there at the old stadium.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on April 09, 2019, 10:38:49 PM
I wouldn't put it past Miles but that was during the regrettable period when the OB had astroturf.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on April 09, 2019, 11:07:03 PM
I'd probably travel to Norman for a game against Big Red. And we all know who Big Red is around here.  :72:
Golderned pot stirrer!
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on April 09, 2019, 11:11:35 PM
good luck to those Big Red cheese eaters

I'll be in Norman on Sept 18th, 2021
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on April 10, 2019, 12:27:20 PM
I wouldn't put it past Miles but that was during the regrettable period when the OB had astroturf.
Heh!  So it was.  I forgot about that short-lived experiment.

Les would have had a hard time eating that turf.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on April 10, 2019, 12:30:10 PM
Heh!  So it was.  I forgot about that short-lived experiment.

Les would have had a hard time eating that turf.
That had never really occurred to me until you said it.  They show footage all the time, because I believe that was the first year the Big Ten dropped the Rose Bowl or nothing rule.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 10, 2019, 12:41:08 PM
I went over to the park to jog, the weather is amazing, dogwoods and azaleas out all over, really something I missed for 38 years.

I need to drive the wife around in NW ATL today a bit before traffic gets trafficky, which is about now.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 10, 2019, 01:13:54 PM
UGA cancelled a game with Indiana ..... State.  

"The elimination of the game only gives Georgia more flexibility when it comes to adding Oklahoma to the schedule (https://247sports.com/college/georgia/Article/Georgia-football-Oklahoma-future-home-football-series-130840710/) in 2023. Dawgs247 has confirmed that serious talks are ongoing between the Bulldogs and Sooners to add that game. The Bulldogs would travel to Norman in 2023 and Oklahoma would make the return trip in 2031."

Has anyone ever seen an 8 year split in a H&A series like this?  I hope it happens.  We are undefeated against OU all time.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on April 10, 2019, 01:19:32 PM
UGA cancelled a game with Indiana ..... State.  

"The elimination of the game only gives Georgia more flexibility when it comes to adding Oklahoma to the schedule (https://247sports.com/college/georgia/Article/Georgia-football-Oklahoma-future-home-football-series-130840710/) in 2023. Dawgs247 has confirmed that serious talks are ongoing between the Bulldogs and Sooners to add that game. The Bulldogs would travel to Norman in 2023 and Oklahoma would make the return trip in 2031."

Has anyone ever seen an 8 year split in a H&A series like this?  I hope it happens.  We are undefeated against OU all time.
MSU did a 2 for 1 with Boise State where the first game in East Lansing was in 2012, and the balance of the series is like 2021 and 2022
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on April 10, 2019, 04:23:38 PM
OU played Air Force in Colorado Springs in 2001 and had the return game in Norman in 2010.

I saw some grumbling on the UGA 24/7 site yesterday about the first game being in Norman (presuming the series ends up being a go).

I think that reflects misguided thinking.  I think having the away game first is an advantage.  Steal a road win, then win in your own house for a series sweep.

OU lost the first games at home against Notre Dame and Ohio State in 2012 and 2015.  That created a lot of pressure to win the return game on the road in 2013 and 2016.

The game we lost to Randy Shannon's Miami Hurricanes was the return game in Miami.  We beat the Canes 51-13 in 2007, Shannon's first year, then lost 21-20 in Miami in 2009.  I imagine Shannon learned more from the 2007 game than Bob Stoops did.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 10, 2019, 05:47:00 PM
I've been looking at some new (used) cars lately, for me. I'm thinking of going from the E to an S, and looking at AMG in the process. Those are not cheap, but they are really cool.


(https://www.bing.com/th?id=OIP.mAKDTwkjuP_sjfSmej5b6wHaFB&pid=Api&rs=1&p=0)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 10, 2019, 06:19:10 PM
Dawg fans were grumbling that all these series start out with the away game.  I agree it doesn't really matter. There was some fear ND would not come to Athens when that deal was inked, but I thought it was a given.  Fans worry about silly things at times, duh.  The OU series with Alabama and UGA would be a real thing.

Go for the AMG.  It's a hunk.  Gas mileage will vary.

I had fun with the Caddy CTS-V which is somewhat comparable.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 10, 2019, 08:27:42 PM
I'm thinking. I torn too. I want a Grady-White fishing boat for Florida. Gotta think about balance.


(https://www.cfb51.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gradywhite.com%2Fmedia%2F4511%2F300fish_ret.jpg%3Fwidth%3D2000&hash=2a3d3e59381dcb7e57537763192e45e6)


Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on April 10, 2019, 09:49:20 PM
can always trade the AMG for the Grady later
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on April 10, 2019, 11:18:37 PM
I've been looking at some new (used) cars lately, for me. I'm thinking of going from the E to an S, and looking at AMG in the process. Those are not cheap, but they are really cool.


(https://www.bing.com/th?id=OIP.mAKDTwkjuP_sjfSmej5b6wHaFB&pid=Api&rs=1&p=0)
My i s c & a aggie wife is a big fan of this one:
<br />(https://i.ibb.co/jW0Hgq8/amg-gtr-web-2289.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jW0Hgq8)<br />
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on April 10, 2019, 11:28:53 PM
One of my favorite things about this time of year is seeing people pull out their classic cars.   Got to hear and see this guys beautiful 65 Shelby cobra.   Sounded and looked amazing.  It looked perfect and that roar.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 11, 2019, 06:43:07 AM
That GT would hurt my back. No classic cars seen up here yet...
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 11, 2019, 06:45:37 AM
can always trade the AMG for the Grady later
Ya know, I'm at the point in my life that it kinda hits me when I say "later" or something like that. What does "later" mean? How many more "later's" do I have? I'm definitely on the other side of "half way", like many others on this board. So, I don't know if I want to wait until later. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on April 11, 2019, 07:11:16 AM
I'm thinking. I torn too. I want a Grady-White fishing boat for Florida. Gotta think about balance.


(https://www.cfb51.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gradywhite.com%2Fmedia%2F4511%2F300fish_ret.jpg%3Fwidth%3D2000&hash=2a3d3e59381dcb7e57537763192e45e6)
looks like the 24 fter my buddy had -fine fishing vessel
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on April 11, 2019, 07:12:58 AM
Ya know, I'm at the point in my life that it kinda hits me when I say "later" or something like that. What does "later" mean? How many more "later's" do I have? I'm definitely on the other side of "half way", like many others on this board. So, I don't know if I want to wait until later.
That's a dirty,rotten,lowdown,no good,accurate thing to say
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 11, 2019, 07:59:05 AM
I am starting to struggle just a bit getting into the GTI, which apparently is 0.4" lower than the usual Golf.  I've been working out and stretching, and it's starting to be a chore.  Getting into a car like a Corvette at my age starts to be a real chore.  I can see why folks like SUVs (some, I hate'em personally).

Guys my age like to buy that flashy car they dreamed about all their lives, which is fine, but it starts to be impractical.  I know one can pick up a used nice Corvette for quite the discount.

Did I mention how bad the roads in Boston were?  Terrible.  Massachusettes in general had bad roads.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 11, 2019, 08:26:59 AM
So the wife's car has nitrogen in the tires. Can you switch back to regular air?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 11, 2019, 08:28:45 AM
Another one. I was trying to adjust the wheels on the screen door where we live and one of the screw heads is stripped. Anyone have a suggestion on removing this screw so I can replace it? Problem is it's recessed and I can't get at it with anything I have on hand. Is there a bit I can buy that will do the deed? Ugh.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 11, 2019, 09:36:05 AM
So the wife's car has nitrogen in the tires. Can you switch back to regular air?
Regular air is 79% nitrogen, which I'm sure you know, so it's close.
As for the stripped recessed screw, I think drilling it out may be required.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 11, 2019, 10:45:58 AM
Something like this? 

https://www.amazon.com/Extractor-Stripped-HassleFree-Hardness-63-65hrc/dp/B07GZ17QD9/

I don't know if that's the right size for your application  but searching for "screw extractor kit" is a good start. I'm sure they have them at all the hardware stores too if you don't want to wait for Amazon. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on April 11, 2019, 10:53:12 AM
Yes, if you can't get some needle-nose pliers onto the edges of the screw and twist it out that way, then you're going to need to use one of those screw extractor kits.  They work pretty well, but the smaller the screw, the smaller the extractor you'll need, and there's a certain point where there's just not enough metal left to insert and grip.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 11, 2019, 11:04:42 AM
Between the end of 1945 and July 1946, Hungary went through the worst inflation ever recorded. In 1944, the highest denomination[clarification needed (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Please_clarify)] was 1,000 pengő (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_peng%C5%91). By the end of 1945, it was 10,000,000 pengő. The highest denomination in mid-1946 was 100,000,000,000,000,000,000 (1020) pengő. A special currency, the adópengő – or tax pengő – was created for tax and postal payments.[40] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperinflation#cite_note-41) The value of the adópengő was adjusted each day, by radio announcement. On 1 January 1946 one adópengő equaled one pengő. By late July, one adópengő equaled 2,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 or 2×1021 (2 sextillion (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sextillion)) pengő. When the pengő was replaced in August 1946 by the forint (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forint), the total value of all Hungarian banknotes in circulation amounted to 1/1,000 of one US dollar.[41] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperinflation#cite_note-42) This is the most severe known incident of inflation recorded, peaking at 1.3 × 1016 percent per month (prices double every 15 hours).[42] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperinflation#cite_note-zwdinf-43) The overall impact of hyperinflation: On 18 August 1946, 400,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 or 4×1029 (four hundred quadrilliard (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadrilliard) on the long scale (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_scale) used in Hungary; four hundred octillion (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octillion) on short scale (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_scale)) pengő became 1 forint.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on April 11, 2019, 11:09:40 AM
Yes, if you can't get some needle-nose pliers onto the edges of the screw and twist it out that way, then you're going to need to use one of those screw extractor kits.  They work pretty well, but the smaller the screw, the smaller the extractor you'll need, and there's a certain point where there's just not enough metal left to insert and grip.
can always just drill it out and replace with a nut & bolt
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on April 11, 2019, 11:12:21 AM
I am starting to struggle just a bit getting into the GTI, which apparently is 0.4" lower than the usual Golf.  I've been working out and stretching, and it's starting to be a chore.  Getting into a car like a Corvette at my age starts to be a real chore.  I can see why folks like SUVs (some, I hate'em personally).

Guys my age like to buy that flashy car they dreamed about all their lives, which is fine, but it starts to be impractical.  I know one can pick up a used nice Corvette for quite the discount.
Derned C8 Vette needs to hit the dealerships so guys will trade up to the mid-engine and flood the market with used Vettes
driving down the price of my C6
SUVs are simply glorified miniVans - hate em
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on April 11, 2019, 11:16:23 AM
Another one. I was trying to adjust the wheels on the screen door where we live and one of the screw heads is stripped. Anyone have a suggestion on removing this screw so I can replace it? Problem is it's recessed and I can't get at it with anything I have on hand. Is there a bit I can buy that will do the deed? Ugh.
eff drilling it out or anything else complicated... it's just a screen door.  super glue on the allen key head, a few seconds set time, take it out. 
if you're working with machinery of any kind, yeah- you'd need to drill it out or use an extractor as not to screw up the device.... but... it's a screen door.  super glue is your friend.  just replace it, or, after adjusting it set it back in place with it still glued to the key... and break the key off (the glue will break before anything else).  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 11, 2019, 11:17:02 AM
can always just drill it out and replace with a nut & bolt
That won't work here. If I could get at it, I could do that. But I can't get at it.
Thanks guys. I'll look at the extractor bit.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 11, 2019, 11:18:20 AM
eff drilling it out or anything else complicated... it's just a screen door.  super glue on the allen key head, a few seconds set time, take it out.
if you're working with machinery of any kind, yeah- you'd need to drill it out or use an extractor as not to screw up the device.... but... it's a screen door.  super glue is your friend.  just replace it, or, after adjusting it set it back in place with it still glued to the key... and break the key off (the glue will break before anything else).  
This I like. So I just waste an allen key?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on April 11, 2019, 11:29:12 AM
Derned C8 Vette needs to hit the dealerships so guys will trade up to the mid-engine and flood the market with used Vettes
driving down the price of my C6
SUVs are simply glorified miniVans - hate em
Large SUVs are built on truck chassis not car chassis, so they're great for towing while a minivan is not.
I actually prefer my SUV over my pickup for towing, it's better suited for hauling the type of gear I need than a pickup, and it's also better on a slick boat ramp.  Unfortunately modern SUVs are trending lower on towing capacity rather than increasing. There's no longer a 3/4 ton SUV on the market so around 9,000 lbs is the max towing you can get anymore.  Which is why I had to get a pickup for the new RV.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on April 11, 2019, 11:31:57 AM
eff drilling it out or anything else complicated... it's just a screen door.  super glue on the allen key head, a few seconds set time, take it out.
if you're working with machinery of any kind, yeah- you'd need to drill it out or use an extractor as not to screw up the device.... but... it's a screen door.  super glue is your friend.  just replace it, or, after adjusting it set it back in place with it still glued to the key... and break the key off (the glue will break before anything else).  
Sounds way more complicated than using the extractor bit which is designed specifically for this purpose, but whatever floats your boat.  :)
I have multiple sets of extractors, if I didn't I guess I might consider a different way?  But it's not like extractor sets are expensive...
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on April 11, 2019, 11:34:30 AM
or you use acetone and let it set in it for a bit, and remove the softened glue with a paper towel... your wife will wonder why you have an allen key in her fingernail polish remover, but you can tell her it's Drew's Fault. 
(https://scontent.fphl2-3.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/4986_105186293754_1197081_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ht=scontent.fphl2-3.fna&oh=c9f873909280c9c818ffb3254be4ad51&oe=5D445B5B) 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on April 11, 2019, 11:35:58 AM
Between the end of 1945 and July 1946, Hungary went through the worst inflation ever recorded. 
CD where did that come from?We went from nitrogen filled tires and screw extraction to horrible Hungarian mid '40's inflation  :017:.There wasn't even an attempt to disguise that thread hi-jack   :bluegrab:
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on April 11, 2019, 11:39:10 AM
but you can tell her it's Drew's Fault.
Thanx,that'll be like American Express - I won't leave home w/o it
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 11, 2019, 01:23:08 PM
So the wife's car has nitrogen in the tires. Can you switch back to regular air?
Badger started talking about inflation before I did, so my post is NOT a diversion out of the blue, at all.
I resemble that remark as I am well known for not ever mostly diverting typical threads usually into other areas for the most part.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 11, 2019, 01:49:58 PM
This is already a long offseason...
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 11, 2019, 01:52:02 PM
There has been some news of course, some future scheduling of note, but I suppose it's typical, and not inflated.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 11, 2019, 06:48:36 PM
https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/future-cars/a27118564/mid-engine-corvette-debut-date/?fbclid=IwAR3pYKavfYyMvUUyCfHI7JIsxJbsrh2P8w7YQdW2Z3zpYFY3Ifal9FrISmk (https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/future-cars/a27118564/mid-engine-corvette-debut-date/?fbclid=IwAR3pYKavfYyMvUUyCfHI7JIsxJbsrh2P8w7YQdW2Z3zpYFY3Ifal9FrISmk)

For any 'Vette fans here, debut in July apparently.

The origins of the name relate to a British destroyer escort, called by them a corvette, an underpowered small destroyer meant to be built quickly to help escort convoys across the Atlantic against U-boats (also known as Porsches).  The very first Vette had a 6 cylinder engine and 2-speed automatic transmission, in keeping with that theme.

Then it began following to some extent the development of Jaguar XKs, adding disc brakes, fuel injection, etc., but retaining "cubic inches" for American use.  The 1963 split window Corvette is among the most prized versions.  

https://www.legendarymotorcar.com/inventory/1963-chevrolet-corvette-coupe-split-window-1563.aspx (https://www.legendarymotorcar.com/inventory/1963-chevrolet-corvette-coupe-split-window-1563.aspx)

The switch to a midengine is Big News among 'Vette fans of course, though the engine was always positioned rather behind the front axle anyway, and had a transaxle for decades.  Putting the mass nearer the center of gravity has significant performance advantages of course.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on April 11, 2019, 07:06:58 PM
eff drilling it out or anything else complicated... it's just a screen door.  super glue on the allen key head, a few seconds set time, take it out.
if you're working with machinery of any kind, yeah- you'd need to drill it out or use an extractor as not to screw up the device.... but... it's a screen door.  super glue is your friend.  just replace it, or, after adjusting it set it back in place with it still glued to the key... and break the key off (the glue will break before anything else).
You can get super-glue debonder at any good hobby shop.  It will likely be called "CA-debonder."  CA is cyanoacrylate (or something like that), and that is super glue.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 11, 2019, 07:11:47 PM
Superglue is indeed a cyanoacrylate (CA).

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on April 11, 2019, 07:12:09 PM
I'm a big fan as you know.  My birthday is in July, so that would work if anyone was wondering.

With the current ZR1 already challenging track lap times of the world's greatest cars, it will be interesting if the C8 can improve much on that in it's original version.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 11, 2019, 07:33:15 PM
That '63 would accomplish one thing for me. Another back surgery.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 11, 2019, 07:40:18 PM
The C8 ZR1 version which will come later is rumored to have 1000 horsepower.  If anywhere near that, it will be a supercar with the appropriate tires.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on April 11, 2019, 08:10:01 PM
Large SUVs are built on truck chassis not car chassis, so they're great for towing while a minivan is not.
I actually prefer my SUV over my pickup for towing, it's better suited for hauling the type of gear I need than a pickup, and it's also better on a slick boat ramp.  Unfortunately modern SUVs are trending lower on towing capacity rather than increasing. There's no longer a 3/4 ton SUV on the market so around 9,000 lbs is the max towing you can get anymore.  Which is why I had to get a pickup for the new RV.
Dude, we've had this conversation.
if it's on  truck chassis with a V8, it's cool
it's a truck
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CatsbyAZ on April 11, 2019, 08:12:00 PM
Sad story - former Notre Dame RB Cierre Wood charged in death of son:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/deadspin.com/former-notre-dame-running-back-cierre-wood-charged-with-1833977267/amp (https://www.google.com/amp/s/deadspin.com/former-notre-dame-running-back-cierre-wood-charged-with-1833977267/amp)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on April 11, 2019, 08:23:04 PM
vettes have always been known for their power

will they get the suspension/handling right?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 12, 2019, 07:41:40 AM
The current Vettes have rather amazing handling, especially the Grand Sport, which is only one rung up the ladder.  Where they look cheap is with the switches and interior finishes.

The midengine should help handling even further.  The polar moment of inertia will be lower.  They may have a rearward center of gravity, which can produce tricky handling, but they can dial that out with computers now (Porsche).  The base C8 Corvettes will have somewhere around 460 hp apparently, folks are guessing, which is what the current engine produces.

It interesting that the Chevy engines of this type still use pushrods, though the C8 top engine is rumored to be twin cam (DOHC).  The pushrod design is easier to package because it is not as tall.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on April 12, 2019, 07:44:58 AM
Dude, we've had this conversation.
if it's on  truck chassis with a V8, it's cool
it's a truck
Well, if it's not on a truck chassis then I don't consider it an SUV at all.  It's just a station wagon.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 12, 2019, 08:15:34 AM
Yeah, SUVs used to ALL be on truck chassis, so far as I can recollect.  People with trucks put caps on the back and the automakers saw a market, not THIS market.

Then minivans became unfashionable, so they took FWD car chassis and put SUV-looking bodies on them and viola, a HUGE market.  Then "mini-utes" appeared, also station wagons raised a bit and given AWD sometimes.  I had minivans for 20 years and they are very capable for their purpose.  They don't tow, but they have a lot of volume inside and get OK mpgs.  They don't "look" cool apparently.  I didn't care.  My first was a Dodge Caravan with a very anemic 4 cylinder engine and 5 speed manual transmission.  I had to plan ahead to merge onto freeways.  I think we still had a 55 mph speed limit at that time.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 12, 2019, 08:29:56 AM
I'm telling my wife that she drives a station wagon. That will be interesting.




22 years today. Maybe I'll wait 'til tomorrow with the 'wagon thing.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 12, 2019, 08:33:55 AM
Styling sells cars, along with gadgets.  Few buyers are interested in anything mechanical beyond illusions that some makes are more reliable than others.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 12, 2019, 08:45:14 AM
https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a20730890/2020-chevrolet-mid-engine-corvette-c8/ (https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a20730890/2020-chevrolet-mid-engine-corvette-c8/)

That engine bay will also eventually host even more compelling mills. The first to follow the LT1 will be a naturally aspirated 5.5-liter DOHC V-8 with a flat-plane crankshaft capable of a Ferrari 458–like maximum engine speed of 9000 rpm. Sympathy for the transaxle, though, means the engine speed will be limited to several hundred rpm below that. That engine should be good for at least 600 horsepower.
Then, because it is totally unnecessary, Chevy will bolt two turbochargers and two big air-to-water intercoolers to the 5.5-liter V-8. The turbo engine will make about 800 owner-maiming horsepower. 
But hang on: What if we told you that within a couple of years Chevy would add a 200-hp electric motor to the mix? The twin-turbo 5.5-liter V-8 will abuse the rear tires while the electric motor, housed in what would typically be a front trunk, will energize the fronts. That’s right: This mid-engined/front-motor Corvette will have a horsepower rating at or near the four-digit mark.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on April 12, 2019, 01:18:40 PM
Right now my i s c & a aggie wife is looking for a new car.  She's torn between another convertible, an SUV, or maybe even a Jeep.

She really loves her convertible but would prefer a retractable hard top over a ragtop, which has us looking at the BMW 4-series convertibles.

She also likes the Toyota 4Runner as a potential SUV-- I'd be cool with that, since it has an optional 3rd row, is available in 4WD, has decent towing (it could pull my boat but not my RV),  and I think it's even built on a truck chassis though I haven't investigated that one.

The Jeep is the least practical overall, but man they're fun.  My brother has a really cool one and I've been jealous ever since he bought it!
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on April 12, 2019, 01:54:26 PM
Well, if it's not on a truck chassis then I don't consider it an SUV at all.  It's just a station wagon.
I just call them minivans
it's the most derogatory thing I can come up with
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 12, 2019, 02:20:12 PM
My wife was never a vanimal (her term). When we needed it, she drove a Tahoe.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 12, 2019, 03:45:54 PM
Yeah, SUVs used to ALL be on truck chassis, so far as I can recollect.  People with trucks put caps on the back and the automakers saw a market, not THIS market.

Then minivans became unfashionable, so they took FWD car chassis and put SUV-looking bodies on them and viola, a HUGE market.  Then "mini-utes" appeared, also station wagons raised a bit and given AWD sometimes.  I had minivans for 20 years and they are very capable for their purpose.  They don't tow, but they have a lot of volume inside and get OK mpgs.  They don't "look" cool apparently.  I didn't care.  My first was a Dodge Caravan with a very anemic 4 cylinder engine and 5 speed manual transmission.  I had to plan ahead to merge onto freeways.  I think we still had a 55 mph speed limit at that time.
The interesting part about this is if you go back a bit further to the invention of the minivan. 
Vans, like the original SUVs, were built on truck chassis. They were big, bulky, rode high, with truck engines and RWD. The "mini" van just took a basic van body and put it on a FWD car chassis. It made the ride smoother, the COG lower, the handling better, etc. For all the people who didn't want station wagons, the "minivan" became the new thing. 
SUVs were around, of course, but not all that popular yet. When people decided minivans were uncool, everyone started jumping into SUVs. They had all the same problems as full-size vans though. High COG. Rides like a truck. Terrible gas mileage. So the "crossover" was invented--an SUV-like body on a FWD car chassis. In all honesty it got rid of most of the "utility" of the SUV, but it kept the "cool" styling.
And now I've got a Ford Flex. Which is basically a big station wagon, but my wife always chides me when I call it a station wagon, because station wagons are uncool. 
So we've come full circle. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 12, 2019, 03:47:26 PM
I'm gonna stick with the sedans.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on April 12, 2019, 04:07:20 PM
We just got rid of our 13-year Odyssey. That was a great car for its purpose: carting kids and gear. We still have the kids, but our needs have changed a bit.

Personally, I didn't every go in for the SUV over the minivan. But cars are big capital expenditures, so you might as well like what you drive. All that said, the prevalence of SUVs rather than minivans is not good for the overall fuel economy of the U.S. fleet. That's something I object to, but I'm swimming upstream.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 12, 2019, 04:07:33 PM
I had sedans after the minivan era.  They felt like they handled on rails, both were CTS'.  The wife thought it was just too big for city traffic, and we both like manual transmissions.  So, we had the last one, which was a beautiful car we thought, for only four years.

Oddly enough, my main complaint about the CTS was that it had a fairly harsh ride.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 12, 2019, 04:33:40 PM
Personally, I didn't every go in for the SUV over the minivan. But cars are big capital expenditures, so you might as well like what you drive. All that said, the prevalence of SUVs rather than minivans is not good for the overall fuel economy of the U.S. fleet. That's something I object to, but I'm swimming upstream.
Well, fleet economy standards and high fuel costs are two of the reasons that CUVs [crossover utility vehicles] have replaced SUVs to a large extent. 
Most of the "SUVs" you see today are CUVs. An SUV is a body-on-frame truck. A CUV is a unibody car. 
Like my wife's RX350. It looks like an SUV. People think of it as an SUV. It's got a tall roofline and a big cargo area.
It's built on the Toyota Camry platform. It's a car with a big body. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Mdot21 on April 12, 2019, 04:34:26 PM
The C8 ZR1 version which will come later is rumored to have 1000 horsepower.  If anywhere near that, it will be a supercar with the appropriate tires.
kinda crazy to me how GM/Chrysler are producing cars for $70k-100k with 1000 hp that put up track times that rival the times put up by the Euro super cars that cost $300k+.
I wonder if Cadillac and Lincoln will ever be able to regain their status as premier luxury brands in the US. They produced too much garbage throughout the 80s, 90s, and early 2000s while Mercedes, BMW, Lexus, and Audi just completely overtook their market shares. And now Telsa is eating into it as well with 9% US market share in luxury vehicles- which is much higher than Lincoln or Cadillac- and really the only thing stopping Tesla from having even more of that market share is their production capabilities- they can't produce enough to meet demand. And also the infrastructure for EV charging stations really isn't where it needs to be yet. When or if Tesla can actually produce enough to meet demand in a timely manner and if/when EV charging stations become just as common as gas stations- Tesla could probably have double that Luxury market share.
The only Cadillac I think is any nice is the Escalade. Their  That's a beautiful truck. Lincoln hit it out of the park with the new Navigator and the new Continental. Much like Cadillac, their other offerings leave a lot to be desired.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 12, 2019, 04:46:09 PM
I had a 2005 Cadillac CTS and bought another in 2014, so I guess I liked them.  The Escalade with just a Chevrolet with fancier trim.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 12, 2019, 05:42:36 PM
And now Telsa is eating into it as well with 9% US market share in luxury vehicles- which is much higher than Lincoln or Cadillac- and really the only thing stopping Tesla from having even more of that market share is their production capabilities- they can't produce enough to meet demand. And also the infrastructure for EV charging stations really isn't where it needs to be yet. When or if Tesla can actually produce enough to meet demand in a timely manner and if/when EV charging stations become just as common as gas stations- Tesla could probably have double that Luxury market share.
Not sure Tesla is in good shape right now... I think their problem is not producing enough to meet demand, as I think demand is in trouble because most people who want [and can afford] a Tesla already have one, and their ability to produce the $35K model at a profit is highly questionable.
They're flailing like a fish on the pier right now, and I'm not sure they're going to find water again.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Mdot21 on April 12, 2019, 06:47:44 PM
Not sure Tesla is in good shape right now... I think their problem is not producing enough to meet demand, as I think demand is in trouble because most people who want [and can afford] a Tesla already have one, and their ability to produce the $35K model at a profit is highly questionable.
They're flailing like a fish on the pier right now, and I'm not sure they're going to find water again.
That isn't exactly true. Demand for their Model S and X were at all-time highs last year. Tesla had explosive growth in car sales last year- and that was even with all of their production problems. The company has been plagued with production problems since it's inception. Tesla also has by far the highest customer retention rate of any car brand in the world. It's not even remotely close. When people want to replace their Tesla or replace their 2nd car for the wife/significant other they do so with a new Tesla more than 80% of the time.
The 35k model was always just a fantasy. It was just a marketing ploy. The $35k was suppose to be the base model with 0 options and with the $7,500 tax credit. Those tax credits got halved in the blink of an eye and are slated to completely disappear, and they were selling $50,000+ Model 3's for the most part.
I would not bet against Tesla. People try to think of them as just another car company. They are not. They make products that people actually love and want to buy. Other car companies do not. People don't want to buy EV's. They want to buy a Tesla. There's a huge difference. At the end of the day it always comes down to the product and the customer service- they are top notch in both department. When Ford or GM or Chrysler announce a new car- almost no one gives a shit. They sure as hell aren't getting 500,000 pre-orders willing to shell out $1,000 every time they announce a new car model with all those 500,000 people knowing full well their car is never going to delivered on time- and they still shell out the money and for the most part the vast majority wait it out for their car and take the delivery delays.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MichiFan87 on April 12, 2019, 07:53:28 PM
Tesla has a supply problem, not a demand one. EVs will continue to get cheaper, too, with the batteries*, and then demand for EVs as a whole will continue to grow. In fact, this week it was reported that the federal government is considering extending the EV tax credit past 200k vehicles + 15 more months of sales per manufacturer, which Tesla has already exceeded, up to 400k.

*I've said this before, but their battery business is going to be more profitable long-term, especially for utility-scale systems compared to their residential scale powerwalls.

Putting aside Musk's twitter antics that could get the company in trouble, the big questions are what happens when other automakers increase their market share in EVs, and how will autonomous vehicles affect them (they seem to be more prepared for it with their own self-driving technology and supposedly developing a car-sharing platform, but it remains to be seen how that gets implemented).
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Mdot21 on April 12, 2019, 08:30:02 PM
Tesla has a supply problem, not a demand one. EVs will continue to get cheaper, too, with the batteries*, and then demand for EVs as a whole will continue to grow. In fact, this week it was reported that the federal government is considering extending the EV tax credit past 200k vehicles + 15 more months of sales per manufacturer, which Tesla has already exceeded, up to 400k.

*I've said this before, but their battery business is going to be more profitable long-term, especially for utility-scale systems compared to their residential scale powerwalls.

Putting aside Musk's twitter antics that could get the company in trouble, the big questions are what happens when other automakers increase their market share in EVs, and how will autonomous vehicles affect them (they seem to be more prepared for it with their own self-driving technology and supposedly developing a car-sharing platform, but it remains to be seen how that gets implemented).
A lot of people assumed that the Model 3 would cannibalize their Model S and X sales, but the opposite thing actually happened. People went to Tesla showrooms to check out the 3 and wound up buying the S and X. They had huge spikes in demand for the Model S and X and couldn't produce enough to meet said demand. Tesla actually had back to back QTRs last year when they were profitable- first time ever in their 15 year history with back-to-back profitable QTRs.
I'd guess that the other car companies moving to EVs only could actually only help Tesla sell more cars. If all the other car companies are only selling EVs and the charging infrastructure has to get pushed forward and gas stations get converted to charge stations and the people who were holding out on EVs have to start buying them, well then that's just a bigger market place for Tesla to come in and snag those customers.
And fully autonomous driving is still a ways off, much further than people think, and I don't buy the ride-sharing hype train for a second. Lyft and Uber are money losing scams.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 12, 2019, 09:46:40 PM
I had a 2005 Cadillac CTS and bought another in 2014, so I guess I liked them.  The Escalade with just a Chevrolet with fancier trim.
Mrs. 847 liked the bling on the Caddy. Then I told her that the Tahoe would maybe get her another diamond ring and an earing and it was all good. The Tahoe is gone but the bling still stands. And, I'm done. She has no more fingers and no more ears.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on April 13, 2019, 01:46:41 AM
Not sure Tesla is in good shape right now... 
According to Clark Howard consumer advocate they are not
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 13, 2019, 07:53:51 AM
Just looked it up and found that the wife's GLK station wagon is based on the C Class. Interesting. It's got a similar (same?)  engine to the one in my E, so it moves pretty good. 



Anyway, it's now called the GLC, which lines it up with the C Class. The GLE lines up with the E Class. GLS.. I get it now.



I'm NOT going to tell her she has a C Class, especially if I go out and get an S. Heh. But station wagon? Yep, I'm telling her that.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 13, 2019, 08:06:01 AM
I got to be quasi-buddies with a salesman at the Caddy dealer in Cincy where we bought our 2014.  I'd stop by when I was in for an oil change and we'd chat.  He told me they sold every Escalade at list about as soon as they hit the floor.  He had one in stock, on the showroom floor, listing at $95 K.  He said it would be gone that day, mostly sold to women living in Indian Hill.  I took a look at it, it certainly has "features" galore, but the thing is a Chevy Tahoe.  Supposedly Caddy is working on a new one that will be unique, or more unique.

Cadillac makes almost all their profit on them, and the smaller SUVs (which are also Chevy clones).  I had one of them as a loaner and did not like it at all.  The wife liked sitting up higher, that is a big deal for the ladies apparently.  You sit pretty high in a minivan also.  So, longer term, Caddy is bringing out more SUVs and electric vehicles and  cutting way down on sedans, which makes sense financially, other than the EVs which still don't make a profit.

Tesla is about to face some high end competition from folks like Volvo and Audi and others who can deliver on promises and turn out enough vehicles to fill the pipelines.  I have thought of pricier EVs as being mostly choices for "early adopters" with money (and that $7500 tax credit).  There are only so many of them around.  We MIGHT end up with a surfeit of EVs at varying price points and few customers.  The industry is pushing this hard right now.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 13, 2019, 08:24:03 AM
I'm finding myself looking at GLE's this morning for the wife, even though we just upgraded her GLK to a newer one last year. Need a trailer hitch, which is hard to find (and what we have) so we can use the bike rack, and tow the WaveRunner twice a year.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 13, 2019, 08:37:09 AM
I can't keep all the terms straight on cars.  BMW has been fairly consistent with their numerical series, though a 3 series today is the size of a 5 series 20 years ago.

I used to read most of the car mags each month.  I can get most of them on line for free now and no clutter.  I have zero magazine or newspaper subscriptions today.  I imagine many of us are the same.  I can recall in the distant past taking SI and NG and enough magazines to fill boxes with clutter.  Sometimes I walk up to the local Schwab office and chat with Dan and read their WSJ, or at least look through it a bit.

The times are achangin'.

The Dogwood Festival started yesterday, so we went early to avoid the crowds and the wife found a $500 clock she really really had to have.  Now I have to hang it somewhere.  I asked her where she would put it before we bought it and she said  "I'll find room".

I like seeing what some of the artists do at the show and I can view for free of course, but one inevitably ends up buying an overpriced something at a booth.  The mixed drinks are all $10 each and beer is $7 each.  I got neither.  This is a rather large festival thing.  I guess it's all good, but I'm out $500, for a clock.

(https://dogwood.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/ADF2019_MapHome.jpg)

The Atlanta Dogwood Festival includes one of the largest and most diverse juried arts festivals in the country. More than 260 artists from around the country exhibit in 12 categories, including painting, glass, clay, wood and mixed media. Some of the country’s top painters, photographers, sculptors, leather and metal craftsmen, glass blowers and more participate in the Atlanta Dogwood Festival Artist Market. In 2018, the Artist Market was ranked #23, out of the Top 200 Best Art Shows in the Country by Sunshine Artist Magazine (https://www.sunshineartist.com/) and #42 of Best Fine Arts Shows from Art Fair Source Book (https://artfairsourcebook.com/).
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 13, 2019, 08:43:22 AM
Looks like fun. Still winter here.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 13, 2019, 08:51:10 AM
It is kinda fun, at least on Friday.  Today and tomorrow will be a mass of people.  Yesterday was partly sunny with clouds enough not to be that hot.  I got sweaty toting that clock back to the condo.  It's bulky, not heavy.  I'm delighted to be in better weather than Cincy.  

I think our lowest T in winter was 23°F and the highest last summer was 93°F, for one day.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 13, 2019, 11:40:14 AM
Jeep day today. Rolling down to an outlet mall as I need new athletic shoes, then homebrew store and a brewery (or two). 

Lamb burgers on the menu tonight. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Mdot21 on April 13, 2019, 03:47:02 PM
I got to be quasi-buddies with a salesman at the Caddy dealer in Cincy where we bought our 2014.  I'd stop by when I was in for an oil change and we'd chat.  He told me they sold every Escalade at list about as soon as they hit the floor.  He had one in stock, on the showroom floor, listing at $95 K.  He said it would be gone that day, mostly sold to women living in Indian Hill.  I took a look at it, it certainly has "features" galore, but the thing is a Chevy Tahoe.  Supposedly Caddy is working on a new one that will be unique, or more unique.

Cadillac makes almost all their profit on them, and the smaller SUVs (which are also Chevy clones).  I had one of them as a loaner and did not like it at all.  The wife liked sitting up higher, that is a big deal for the ladies apparently.  You sit pretty high in a minivan also.  So, longer term, Caddy is bringing out more SUVs and electric vehicles and  cutting way down on sedans, which makes sense financially, other than the EVs which still don't make a profit.

Tesla is about to face some high end competition from folks like Volvo and Audi and others who can deliver on promises and turn out enough vehicles to fill the pipelines.  I have thought of pricier EVs as being mostly choices for "early adopters" with money (and that $7500 tax credit).  There are only so many of them around.  We MIGHT end up with a surfeit of EVs at varying price points and few customers.  The industry is pushing this hard right now.
The Escalade is the only Caddillac I like. That thing is gorgeous. I do see what you're saying in terms of it being a clone of the Tahoe though. Easy to see why they make huge profit of them- they sell that truck for $100k. I remember when it first came out in 2000 and a fully loaded one was 55k at most. Essentially doubled in price. And it's a choice ride for rappers, athletes, mobsters, drug dealers, and rich soccer moms.
As for Tesla, I just don't buy that Tesla is going to face any real competition from Volvo or Audi or Porsche or anyone really. Not any time soon. This is a myth that the Musk haters and Tesla bears have been perpetuating for 10 years straight now, and it wasn't true then and it isn't true now. It's like the boy who cried wolf. They keep saying it, but nothing happens. Why? Because: batteries.
Tesla is light years ahead of everyone there. Tesla pays far less for it's batteries than any of their competitors and their battery powered electric motors far out-perform every single one of their competitors. Tesla's batteries right now are getting 4.1 miles per KW/h. It's competitors are getting 2.3 miles per KW/h on a good day. Almost 2 to 1 in range. Tesla batteries are far superior. They are more powerful, have more range, are 50% lighter, use less cobalt and therefore are at least 25-30% cheaper than their competitors. Tesla's battery costs will only continue to drop year over year as they scale production at their Gigafacory battery plants. 10 years ago the batteries were costing Tesla $300 per kw/h, now it's down to $111 and will soon be below $100. Tesla is the largest producer of batteries in the fricken world. None of their competitors can come close to the performance and the cost. Not for years, not yet.
There were articles in the German press from not even a month or so ago, where Audi/Porsche engineers did tear downs of the Model 3 and they basically shit their pants in fear because they realized their EV platform sucked compared to Tesla and they were at least 3-5 years behind and they had to go back to the drawing board and re-design a whole bunch of shit to get their PPE platform even remotely close to what Tesla did with the model 3.
Tesla by the way- is breaking ground on their China factory in Shanghai this year. China is the largest auto market in the entire world. China is also the largest EV market in the world with about half of all EVs in the world. And China is also mandating that all new autos be EV by 2030. Tesla is opening up a battery and vehicle production factory in China which will just bring the costs of their batteries down even more and help them sell more cars in the largest auto and largest EV market in the entire world. Tesla's business in China by the way will be the first wholly foreign owned auto business in the history of China. GM/VW/Ford- they all had to give China a 50% or more taste in their businesses in China. China is pushing so hard for EV's, they relaxed the rules forcing a state owned joint venture- and are letting Tesla own the entire business 100% and helped Telsa secure $550 million in Chinese loans to build the factory.
Tesla's costs on the batteries keep going down and the performance keeps improving. They have a massive head start on their competitors and that China deal is HUGE for them. They can own China and keep all that money and tech for themselves. The biggest mistake so many American companies did was whore themselves out to China and let China not only take half the profits, but get all their tech. These short sighted morons were so hard on for a quick buck and to boost stock prices they signed their own death warrants by handing all of their tech over to the Chinese.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 13, 2019, 03:50:47 PM
Give me an MB GLS over an Escalade any day of the week. For $100K I could get a 2 year old, low-mile GLS AMG with unlimited mile warrantee for 7 years, on a CPO deal. Not that I would, but still.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 13, 2019, 04:32:23 PM
https://insideevs.com/tesla-model-3-2170-energy-density-compared-bolt-p100d/ (https://insideevs.com/tesla-model-3-2170-energy-density-compared-bolt-p100d/)

TeslaModel 3 / Panasonic 2170 cell
We have usable energy density numbers from 78.3 kWh’s at the high end, down to 72 kWh’s on the low end. We used 76 kWh’s in our calculation based on Ingineer and Jack Rickard. There are 4416 cells in the Model 3 LR pack, so that puts the usable energy density of one 2170 cell at 17.2 watt hours and the energy density equal to 76/4416/.070=
246 watt-hours/kg
The Volume of one 2170 cell is .0242 liters (21mmX 70mm cylinder), resulting in a usable energy density by volume of:
711 watt-hours/liter

BoltEV
How do these number stack up against the Chevrolet Bolt EV (https://insideevs.com/tag/chevrolet-bolt-ev/)?
According to JeffN over at Electricrevs, the usable energy of the Bolt EV pack is 57 kWh’s (ref (https://electricrevs.com/2018/03/29/gm-explains-57-vs-60-kwh-bolt-ev-battery-ratings/)). This is the number that is stamped on the inside of the pack by GM. In practice, Bolt EV owners seem to be getting this number, some maybe 58-59 kWh’s (ref (https://electricrevs.com/2018/03/29/gm-explains-57-vs-60-kwh-bolt-ev-battery-ratings/)). We will use 57 kWh’s in our calculation. There are 288 cells in the Bolt EV pack, so that puts the usable kWh’s of one cell at 198 watt hours.
The weight of one Bolt EV cell is an estimate. The closest we have is from a couple of Chinese cell specs for a cell that is supposedly a Bolt EV cell= 820-850 grams (ref (https://electricrevs.com/2018/03/29/gm-explains-57-vs-60-kwh-bolt-ev-battery-ratings/)).
We will use the median number in our calcs= 835grams. Giving the usable energy density of one Bolt EV cell=198/.835=
237 watt hours/kg
So, the Bolt EV gravimetric (weight) energy density is less than Tesla’s 2170 by around 4%. Not a bad showing in our opinion. Especially since Bolt EV owners seem to be exceeding GM’s rated pack minimum energy and Tesla Model 3 owners are not. Considering that, we could almost call it a draw on the Bolt EV versus Tesla 2170 energy density by weight.
The volume of one Bolt EV cell is also an estimate. We will use dimensions of 270mmX100X 16.5=.446 liters (electricrevs ref (https://electricrevs.com/2018/03/09/jaguar-and-chevy-have-lg-in-common/)). This may be an optimistic number. We can also calculate it from John Kelley’s video. He measured the width, height, and depth of module 1 and 10 in his Bolt EV battery reassembly video (ref (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBzRKglr95U)@44:00:00) There are 60 cells in those two modules. So, dividing by 60 we get the dimensions of one Bolt EV cell as 16mmX 108X343= .592 liters (vs the .446 liters we used in our calcs). However, the 343mm length number includes a circuit board, so these volume numbers may be a bit high. We would have to subtract some for the circuit board. JeffN says he knows of someone with a disassembled Bolt pack and may provide us with an update on both weight and volume later.
That puts the volumetric energy density of one Bolt EV cell at 198 /.446=
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on April 13, 2019, 05:27:15 PM
Masters going with a  9am EST start Sunday to combat the afternoon Storms.    Lots of low scores today.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Mdot21 on April 13, 2019, 05:52:26 PM
https://insideevs.com/tesla-model-3-2170-energy-density-compared-bolt-p100d/ (https://insideevs.com/tesla-model-3-2170-energy-density-compared-bolt-p100d/)

TeslaModel 3 / Panasonic 2170 cell
We have usable energy density numbers from 78.3 kWh’s at the high end, down to 72 kWh’s on the low end. We used 76 kWh’s in our calculation based on Ingineer and Jack Rickard. There are 4416 cells in the Model 3 LR pack, so that puts the usable energy density of one 2170 cell at 17.2 watt hours and the energy density equal to 76/4416/.070=
246 watt-hours/kg
The Volume of one 2170 cell is .0242 liters (21mmX 70mm cylinder), resulting in a usable energy density by volume of:
711 watt-hours/liter

BoltEV
How do these number stack up against the Chevrolet Bolt EV (https://insideevs.com/tag/chevrolet-bolt-ev/)?
According to JeffN over at Electricrevs, the usable energy of the Bolt EV pack is 57 kWh’s (ref (https://electricrevs.com/2018/03/29/gm-explains-57-vs-60-kwh-bolt-ev-battery-ratings/)). This is the number that is stamped on the inside of the pack by GM. In practice, Bolt EV owners seem to be getting this number, some maybe 58-59 kWh’s (ref (https://electricrevs.com/2018/03/29/gm-explains-57-vs-60-kwh-bolt-ev-battery-ratings/)). We will use 57 kWh’s in our calculation. There are 288 cells in the Bolt EV pack, so that puts the usable kWh’s of one cell at 198 watt hours.
The weight of one Bolt EV cell is an estimate. The closest we have is from a couple of Chinese cell specs for a cell that is supposedly a Bolt EV cell= 820-850 grams (ref (https://electricrevs.com/2018/03/29/gm-explains-57-vs-60-kwh-bolt-ev-battery-ratings/)).
We will use the median number in our calcs= 835grams. Giving the usable energy density of one Bolt EV cell=198/.835=
237 watt hours/kg
So, the Bolt EV gravimetric (weight) energy density is less than Tesla’s 2170 by around 4%. Not a bad showing in our opinion. Especially since Bolt EV owners seem to be exceeding GM’s rated pack minimum energy and Tesla Model 3 owners are not. Considering that, we could almost call it a draw on the Bolt EV versus Tesla 2170 energy density by weight.
The volume of one Bolt EV cell is also an estimate. We will use dimensions of 270mmX100X 16.5=.446 liters (electricrevs ref (https://electricrevs.com/2018/03/09/jaguar-and-chevy-have-lg-in-common/)). This may be an optimistic number. We can also calculate it from John Kelley’s video. He measured the width, height, and depth of module 1 and 10 in his Bolt EV battery reassembly video (ref (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBzRKglr95U)@44:00:00) There are 60 cells in those two modules. So, dividing by 60 we get the dimensions of one Bolt EV cell as 16mmX 108X343= .592 liters (vs the .446 liters we used in our calcs). However, the 343mm length number includes a circuit board, so these volume numbers may be a bit high. We would have to subtract some for the circuit board. JeffN says he knows of someone with a disassembled Bolt pack and may provide us with an update on both weight and volume later.
That puts the volumetric energy density of one Bolt EV cell at 198 /.446=
GM/Bolt isn't a Tesla competitor. Porsche, Audi, BMW, WV, MB will be their competition in the EV space. Nobody wanted to buy that ugly piece of shit Bolt. Tesla sold more Model 3's last month in Norway alone than GM sold Bolt's and Volt's combined in their entire 1st QTR of this year around the entire world.
GM fell flat on it's face- yet again. Not surprising. But I honestly didn't think they could out-shit the Volt. That was such an ugly piece of shit nobody wanted. Turns out they actually could out brainfart themselves with that raging piece of shit they called the Bolt.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 13, 2019, 06:04:10 PM
You may not like the styling, fine, my point was that the battery pack evidently has about the same energy density.  You were claiming Audi et al. could not compete with Tesla because of battery energy density.  My personal belief is that Audi et al. will cause significant competitive challenges for Tesla.

Styling is subjective.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Mdot21 on April 13, 2019, 07:02:30 PM
You may not like the styling, fine, my point was that the battery pack evidently has about the same energy density.  You were claiming Audi et al. could not compete with Tesla because of battery energy density.  My personal belief is that Audi et al. will cause significant competitive challenges for Tesla.

Styling is subjective.
That's a personal belief. But is that belief grounded in fact? Hmmm...let's see...the Audi e-tron was suppose to be delivered to customers a year ago and it's still nowhere near being ready for deliveries. Delayed. Again. E-tron pre-orders? 20,000. Model 3 pre-orders? nearly 500,000. 500,000 > 20,000. By a factor of 25. Ouch.
https://electrek.co/2019/02/09/tesla-model-3-cost-surprise-porsche-audi-reverse-engineering/
Later, a report came out about a German automaker being impressed by Model 3 after reverse-engineering it. (https://electrek.co/2018/02/17/tesla-model-3-german-automaker-reverse-engineered/)
Now a new report from Germany’s Manager Magazin (http://www.manager-magazin.de/premium/audi-bram-schot-will-tempo-machen-a-00000000-0002-0001-0000-000161978234) (German and paywall) includes a deep dive into the state of Audi with comments from executives and insider sources.
It claims that Porsche and Audi, who are working together on a next-generation electric platform, had to change their approach because the cost was too high compared to what Tesla is achieving.
They report:
Quote
“The Porsche and Audi engineers have to change [the PPE] because Tesla’s Model 3 has gotten better than they thought.”
The next-gen platform called Premium Platform Electric (PPE) was greenlighted almost two years ago (https://electrek.co/2017/04/05/porsche-audi-electric-autonomous-vehicles/) and it is expected to be ready around 2020 or 2021.
According to the new report, the first version was coming at about 3,000 euros too expensive, which Porsche is said to be able to absorb but Audi wasn’t on board. They believe that they need to lower the cost in order to be competitive with other upcoming EVs.
The battery cell cost is apparently the biggest factor that pushes the cost of the platform higher and Tesla claims to be leading the industry on that front.
According to the report, Audi and Porsche could delay the PPE in order to improve the cost and be competitive with Tesla.
The PPE is becoming increasingly important for Audi according to Manager-Magazin’s report, which describes a failing e-tron program:
Quote
The e-tron as the first electric Audi is not only late. It does not reach some target values and has become far too expensive with more than two billion euros in development costs. The approximately 600,000 cars sold for the break-even are now regarded as an illusion.
The e-tron electric SUV was supposed to be delivered to customers last year, but Audi says that software issues have resulted in delays.
The German automaker is still planning several other vehicles based on the same platform before the PPE becomes available.
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So....Audi/Porsche reversed engineered the Model 3 in Feb and shit their pants. They found they are 3,000 euros- basically $3,500 - behind Tesla on a shared Audi/Porsche PPE platform that is still 2 years out. Yikes. Sounds like it's gonna be delayed. Again.
Styling is subjective. Ok.
Coolness factor, cultural impact, demand, brand value, customer loyalty/retention, innovation, sales #'s aren't. GM has nothing to show there with the Bolt. Tesla is destroying their face off and eating their lunch. Tesla is the iPhone to GM's Microsoft Windows Phone.
Really, the only thing GM has over Tesla is the production capacity and a bloated marketing budget to peddle their shit cars that deep down no one really truly wants. GM can produce millions of cars a ear with ease while Tesla struggles mightily to produce even 200,000 a year. GM's marketing budget? $3-4 billion a year. Tesla's marketing budget? $0. They don't have one. If Tesla had the manufacturing infrastructure in place to produce the cars at scale and a $3-4 billion a year marketing budget to peddle cars that people already want and love and think are cool- well they'd put GM out of business. GM is doing a dandy job putting themselves out of business as it is anyway.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 13, 2019, 07:17:29 PM
I think you are enthralled with Tesla to the point of not being dispassionate in your analysis.

Audi and Volvo and Mercedes and Porsche are all coming to the EV game, and they will have battery technology comparable to that of Tesla, just as Chevy does.

There is nothing magical or unique about Tesla cars.  My read is that the EV market is going to become over saturated as first movers have all bought and the rest of the folks are leary about EVs.  That looks bad to me for anyone who can't fall back on SUV/truck profits.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Mdot21 on April 13, 2019, 07:50:01 PM
I think you are enthralled with Tesla to the point of not being dispassionate in your analysis.

Audi and Volvo and Mercedes and Porsche are all coming to the EV game, and they will have battery technology comparable to that of Tesla, just as Chevy does.

There is nothing magical or unique about Tesla cars.  My read is that the EV market is going to become over saturated as first movers have all bought and the rest of the folks are leary about EVs.  That looks bad to me for anyone who can't fall back on SUV/truck profits.
Lol.
Audi, Volvo, Mercedes, and Porsche are all way behind Tesla in the EV game. Been hearing nothing but boogie man stories for 10 years about those companies coming to the EV game and wiping out Tesla. And then nothing happens. All those companies battery tech performance is behind Tesla, but far more importantly THEIR COSTS on the battery is way behind Tesla.
There is nothing magical or unique about Tesla cars? Yeah. No. Spoken like a person who has never actually driven one. How about you go drive one with Ludicrous mode and try the auto-pilot mode before you say that. Their cars are out of this world. Probably the best car on the market, period. They are flat out amazing cars. Amazing. You're conflating EVs with Tesla's. People don't want to buy EVs. They want to buy Tesla's. There's a difference. If people just wanted EVs they'd have bought the Bolt in droves. But, nobody wanted to buy that piece of shit. People want to buy Tesla's. Period.
Forget the US market. China is a much bigger auto market than the US. And in 10 1/2 years every new car in China will have to be EV by law. Europe is essentially as big an auto market as the US give or take 1 million cars, and many EU countries are pushing for something similar to China as well. Norway for example already banned all diesel and gas powered cars by 2025. Tesla's sales will be guaranteed in those markets by those governments banning the internal combustion engine.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Mdot21 on April 13, 2019, 08:48:15 PM
https://insideevs.com/electric-vehicle-holy-grail-tesla-tops/

https://insideevs.com/tesla-maxwell-merger-smartest-move-years/

https://insideevs.com/why-tesla-bought-maxwell-technologies/

Again, Tesla aren't just ahead of their "competitors" in battery tech, they are way ahead of them. And not only in range and performance but also in cost.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 13, 2019, 11:27:37 PM
Nonsense.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 14, 2019, 01:38:47 AM
Does Tesla have the capital necessary to acquire maxwell? 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 14, 2019, 09:00:02 AM
I need to figure out what I'm going to do with my tax refund, and also figure out how to not get such a big amount next year. Income is so unpredictable for me, so that makes it hard. But, it's better to get than have to give, I guess. So, I'm happy about that this morning.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 14, 2019, 09:58:35 AM
You can make those quarterly payments, and you likely do, and perhaps you can adjust them accordingly.  With interest rates so low, getting a refund now is not heinous really.

Say you get $5000 back, you might have earned $50, maybe, in a money market fund.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 14, 2019, 10:14:00 AM
Nah. I throw money in the investment account every two weeks. Much better interest rate there.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 14, 2019, 10:33:50 AM
I have an ETF that pays 2.2% and is 7 day money.  If you overpay $5000 of course, that in effect would net 1.1% in interest over that time period because you don't have it all from the start.  CDs these days are paying 2-3% depending on maturity, and I don't want to go out 5 years.  I keep thinking this inflation thing is lurking somewhere, but I've thought that for a solid decade now.  I think some of that is due to the upsurge in hydrocarbon production in the US.  The price of that gets into the production of a lot of stuff including fertilizer, ag, transport, steel, aluminum, paper, etc.

We had a paper plant that used cogen NG turbines to generate power and the exhaust gas was used to dry the paper (after a heat exchanger).  Drying paper is a big deal for paper makers, you start with a slurry that is about 0.1% pulp and end up with paper that is about 5% water.  There is some pretty neat technology in papermaking these days.



Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 14, 2019, 11:03:03 AM
My strategy is much different than yours (it should be at this point). It's very aggressive right now. I might dial it back in 6-12 months, but for now it's accumulating at a clip that amazes me. My main fund did 32 percent, in Q1 alone. We know that's not sustainable.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on April 14, 2019, 11:09:08 AM
Adjust withholding is the first tactic.   Mess with estimated is next best strategy. 

To me it is the principal of the matter .  Why should I finance Uncle Sam and not be compensated?

Would you agree to lending anyone say $2,000, and do so by handing them $167 each month and be promised to receive only $2,000 after a year?  Then do it again and again.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 14, 2019, 11:36:20 AM
My strategy is much different than yours (it should be at this point). It's very aggressive right now. I might dial it back in 6-12 months, but for now it's accumulating at a clip that amazes me. My main fund did 32 percent, in Q1 alone. We know that's not sustainable.
Money I may need in a year goes into that 2.2% fund.  Money I may need in 2-3 years gets more aggressive, and so on.
Funds I expected to need to pay taxes would go into a very safe fund with a low return.  Some of my retirement is in pretty aggressive stocks because I don't "care" if the market tanks in 2-5 years.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 14, 2019, 11:47:47 AM
Some heavy weather moving through here, and of course is about to be a factor at some golf tournament.  I was helping the wife "secure" her myriad plants in pots, the wind is kicking up.  I feel for those 250 or so folks who rented booth space at the Festival, Sunday is a wash out, hopefully most already packed up.  Yesterday was a crowd over there, today I can't see anyone outside.

I think we're going to miss the worst of it, we do have a basement (garage).  Atlanta had a rather famous tornado hit downtown a while back during the SEC basketball tournament, did a lot of damage.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 14, 2019, 11:55:50 AM
Money I may need in a year goes into that 2.2% fund.  Money I may need in 2-3 years gets more aggressive, and so on.
Funds I expected to need to pay taxes would go into a very safe fund with a low return.  Some of my retirement is in pretty aggressive stocks because I don't "care" if the market tanks in 2-5 years.
Yeah, I don't have this because I'm still working. I'm working on that last part though.  ;)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 14, 2019, 12:00:53 PM
Weather's fine here. Going for a walk and then the farmers market, followed by making beer, and then grilling some Greek marinated flap meat steaks. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 14, 2019, 12:40:00 PM
Got about 3" of snow on the3 ground right now. Just another kick to the nuts as winter hangs on, like the bitch she is.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MichiFan87 on April 14, 2019, 12:46:00 PM
Tesla will probably remain the top EV manufacturer for some time, but it's market share will decline, even if it can improve its production rate and maintain its advantage in quality. China also has its own EV manufacturers. They just don't export their vehicles presumably because they can't keep up with demand in their own country.... The bigger market opportunity is probably India, which currently has more power plants under construction than anywhere else and a car ownership rate of only 2%. They might even be the earliest adopter of autonomous vehicles that are not privately owned. This article explains this pretty well.
https://www.fastcompany.com/40422065/inside-indias-plans-to-leapfrog-the-western-model-of-car-ownership (https://www.fastcompany.com/40422065/inside-indias-plans-to-leapfrog-the-western-model-of-car-ownership)

 As for the market, I'm surprised it has rebounded back to its peak, and I'd be surprised if it didn't crash this year.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 14, 2019, 12:53:04 PM
Economic indicators remain solid on most counts. Most money lost in the market is driven by emotion. You can't lose unless you pull out. Christmas Eve was a stupid event. We saw what happened on the 26th - two days later. If you pulled out based on emotion on Christmas Eve, you lost a lot of money.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 14, 2019, 04:17:26 PM
Of course, if you don't pull out on Christmas eve, you end up with a lot of September babies...
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Mdot21 on April 14, 2019, 07:37:30 PM
Does Tesla have the capital necessary to acquire maxwell?
yes they do, they've got $3+ billion in cash, but they aren't spending any capital to close that deal. it's a $218 million stock deal that's really only costing Tesla $149 million because as soon as the deal closes they'll get access to Maxwell's $69 million cash balance. Great f'ing deal for Tesla.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Mdot21 on April 14, 2019, 07:39:43 PM
Tesla will probably remain the top EV manufacturer for some time, but it's market share will decline, even if it can improve its production rate and maintain its advantage in quality. China also has its own EV manufacturers. They just don't export their vehicles presumably because they can't keep up with demand in their own country.... The bigger market opportunity is probably India, which currently has more power plants under construction than anywhere else and a car ownership rate of only 2%. They might even be the earliest adopter of autonomous vehicles that are not privately owned. This article explains this pretty well.
https://www.fastcompany.com/40422065/inside-indias-plans-to-leapfrog-the-western-model-of-car-ownership (https://www.fastcompany.com/40422065/inside-indias-plans-to-leapfrog-the-western-model-of-car-ownership)

 As for the market, I'm surprised it has rebounded back to its peak, and I'd be surprised if it didn't crash this year.
Eventually every car is going to be EV, so of course it's market share of EV's will decline. Only stands to reason that with so much competition they won't lock down 80% of the EV market like they are now. Their market share of car sales should only grow exponentially though compared to where it's at now. This is a car company that barely sells what- 200,000 to 250,000 cars a year. They have great potential to sell millions of cars per year. They've got to make more than 3 models though, and they need the manufacturing infrastructure to actually be able to build the cars to meet demand.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Mdot21 on April 14, 2019, 08:06:31 PM
Economic indicators remain solid on most counts. Most money lost in the market is driven by emotion. You can't lose unless you pull out. Christmas Eve was a stupid event. We saw what happened on the 26th - two days later. If you pulled out based on emotion on Christmas Eve, you lost a lot of money.
Stock market =/= the economy. Central banks across the globe have been propping up the stock markets. And who owns most of that stock and reaps the benefits? In the US, the Top .01 own about 17%, the next 0.9% about 35%, and the next 9% about 43%. Most of the people in this country and really struggling taking on more and more debt just go get by.
After the Great Recession the fed pumped trillions into the system and there was no inflation. None. How does that even work?

We don't make or manufacture jack shit here anymore. That's how real wealth and value generation is created. Now it's all playing games with money and bullshit. Before the great kaboom in 2007-2008, the financial sector accounted for over 40% of all Corporate profit. Over 40%. In the 1980s it was only 16% and in the 1960s when this country was truly the greatest country on earth and was manufacturing just about everything under the sun- it wasn't even 10%. It's a low-employee, unproductive, inefficient sector that for some reason generates enormous guaranteed profits and gets bail outs whenever they get in trouble.

And let's not forget corporations taking on massive debt for stock buybacks to boost share prices to pump the market up as well. There's a corporate debt bubble looming out there that could just pop and send the market crashing and the US into another recession.

It's coming. Who the hell knows when and what triggers it is any ones guess.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 15, 2019, 02:36:00 AM
On the list of names running for the 2020 Democratic nomination for President is the mayor of Miramar, FL - Wayne Messam.  As in former FSU WR Wayne Messam.  
Hmmph.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on April 15, 2019, 07:53:23 AM
Who isn't seeking that at this point?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 15, 2019, 08:06:03 AM
I'm not. Heh.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on April 15, 2019, 09:09:20 AM
Not sure if anyone posted this https://www.jconline.com/story/sports/college/purdue/football/2019/04/12/purdue-football-coach-jeff-brohm-awarded-one-year-contract-extension/3421463002/ (https://www.jconline.com/story/sports/college/purdue/football/2019/04/12/purdue-football-coach-jeff-brohm-awarded-one-year-contract-extension/3421463002/)


PURDUE SIGNS JEFF BROHM TO A 7 YEAR, $36.8 MILLION CONTRACT
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 15, 2019, 10:10:03 AM
Stock market =/= the economy. Central banks across the globe have been propping up the stock markets. And who owns most of that stock and reaps the benefits? In the US, the Top .01 own about 17%, the next 0.9% about 35%, and the next 9% about 43%. Most of the people in this country and really struggling taking on more and more debt just go get by.
After the Great Recession the fed pumped trillions into the system and there was no inflation. None. How does that even work?

We don't make or manufacture jack shit here anymore. That's how real wealth and value generation is created. Now it's all playing games with money and bullshit. Before the great kaboom in 2007-2008, the financial sector accounted for over 40% of all Corporate profit. Over 40%. In the 1980s it was only 16% and in the 1960s when this country was truly the greatest country on earth and was manufacturing just about everything under the sun- it wasn't even 10%. It's a low-employee, unproductive, inefficient sector that for some reason generates enormous guaranteed profits and gets bail outs whenever they get in trouble.

And let's not forget corporations taking on massive debt for stock buybacks to boost share prices to pump the market up as well. There's a corporate debt bubble looming out there that could just pop and send the market crashing and the US into another recession.

It's coming. Who the hell knows when and what triggers it is any ones guess.
That's because nobody wants to work those jobs anymore, and for some, work at all. There are 10K jobs in manufacturing open in my community college district alone, and we have a great program to get people qualified for these jobs. These are jobs that start at $50+ (read: living wage), with just a 1 year certificate. There are a ton of jobs open. We need people to come get them. The people are out there. This I know.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 15, 2019, 10:50:33 AM
The US makes a lot of paper, and we assemble a lot of cars.  Obviously hydrocarbon production is enormous now.

Trucking is a major employer, which makes one wonder what happens when trucks become autonomous.  For a while, they would likely have a human in there for safety, like the old cabooses on trains.

The word “caboose” comes from the Dutch “kabuis” (or Low German “kabuse”)meaning “cabin on a ship's deck.”

A lot of airplanes are made in the US with jet engines etc.  I lived near a huge jet engine plant in Cincy, most of it build in WW Two.  I could hear the engines being tested at times (on a stand).  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on April 15, 2019, 01:05:15 PM
The U.S. has a lot of manufacturing, but our manufacturing is no longer the large shop employers it used to be.

The market vs. the economy is an interesting issue, and wage growth is part of that. One way to derive more profit, pushing up the market, is to pay employees less. The balance of the return on the product has shifted away from employees toward investors, which is good if you are an investor, but bad if you are a middle-class worker. While we hear noises about it, it has been a surprisingly little-discussed political issue.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 15, 2019, 01:12:05 PM
(https://static.seekingalpha.com/uploads/2018/8/1/saupload_median-household-income-in-the-21st-century-nominal-and-real-estimates-200001-thru-201806_thumb1.png)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 15, 2019, 01:12:36 PM
The U.S. has a lot of manufacturing, but our manufacturing is no longer the large shop employers it used to be.
We also have a lot more of the high-tech manufacturing compared to the labor-intensive manufacturing. 
US manufacturing output [measured in dollar value] is growing, actually. US manufacturing jobs are not. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 15, 2019, 01:14:35 PM
We also have a lot more of the high-tech manufacturing compared to the labor-intensive manufacturing.
US manufacturing output [measured in dollar value] is growing, actually. US manufacturing jobs are not.
They are here. Just need people to fill them.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 15, 2019, 01:15:16 PM
When I'd visit our paper plants, I could tell how things were going by watching the operators.  If they were sitting around shooting the S, things were going fine.

If the control room had 2 people in it and everyone else was frantic, I knew not to poke my nose in there asking dumb questions.

Automation continues to eliminate jobs, but not output, as noted above.

Autonomous trucking would be huge.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 15, 2019, 01:17:29 PM
(https://static.seekingalpha.com/uploads/2018/8/1/saupload_median-household-income-in-the-21st-century-nominal-and-real-estimates-200001-thru-201806_thumb1.png)
Cincy, not criticizing this at all, but does it account for household size, age, whether it's a single adult or multiple adults, etc? 1960 the median household size was 3.3 people. In 2018 it was 2.53 people. Divorce and single parent situation changed a lot over this time span. 
Granted, your chart is just from 2000, when the average household size was 2.62 people, so not a huge difference. But I wonder if household composition has changed much since then, especially as retiring baby boomers are being replaced by much younger [less experienced / lower income] in the workforce.
I just get leery of aggregate statistics, as they may purport to show something different than reality on the ground.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/183648/average-size-of-households-in-the-us/ (https://www.statista.com/statistics/183648/average-size-of-households-in-the-us/)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 15, 2019, 01:25:52 PM
It's just median household income, the only adjustment is for inflation (one line).  

It also is not after tax income obviously, another factor when it comes to discretionary spending.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on April 15, 2019, 01:47:35 PM
Horrible scene in Paris right now. Notre Dame   Cathedral is ablaze.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 15, 2019, 01:50:08 PM
Incredible amount of flames there, I would not have thought that must combustible stuff was in it.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 15, 2019, 01:54:36 PM
Glad I actually got to see it, although now I'm a little disappointed that we didn't actually go inside that day [it was after touring the Louvre for several hours]...
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 15, 2019, 02:25:25 PM
Stunning images coming in over the news networks.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Mdot21 on April 15, 2019, 03:05:13 PM
That's because nobody wants to work those jobs anymore, and for some, work at all. There are 10K jobs in manufacturing open in my community college district alone, and we have a great program to get people qualified for these jobs. These are jobs that start at $50+ (read: living wage), with just a 1 year certificate. There are a ton of jobs open. We need people to come get them. The people are out there. This I know.
This isn't exactly true. Millions of manufacturing jobs were lost in the 90s and 2000s and those are never coming back. In the 1960s about 1 in 4 Americans had a manufacturing job. 25%. Today it's less than 1 in 10 at around 8%. The US has lost 6 million manufacturing jobs since 2000 alone. We used to manufacture everything under the sun here. We don't anymore.
Take the state of Michigan alone. From 2000-2010 it lost 48% of all it's manufacturing jobs. In the 1960s the city of Detroit was the 4th most populated city in the country with around 2 million residents and it was the richest city in the entire nation. All of that built on the back of manufacturing. Now the city of Detroit is destitute. A true American Economic Horror Story. There's less than 670,00 residents, the city went bankrupt not long ago, it's the most dangerous city in the US, and it looks like a fricken war zone with abandoned factories, homes, and buildings everywhere.
Automation/robotics and out-sourcing have devastated most US manufacturing jobs. Automation not as much as out-sourcing, but it's played a part for sure. The US is actually lagging behind most of it's competitors countries in terms of automation btw. South Korea, Germany, Japan- all have far more robotics in their manufacturing plants than the US does. Some of those countries by a factor 5x. And 78,000 plants were closed in the US from 2000-2014 alone. The robots need somewhere to work too. If automation played such a big role they wouldn't be closing that many factories, they'd be retrofitting them with robots.
Clinton signing NAFTA into law in '93 and pushing through permanent normal trade relations with China in the last year of his presidency- which set the spring board for China to join the WTO in 2001- lead to massive layoffs in the US and shifting production to other countries where US multinationals could pay employees in other countries slave wages and pollute the environment all they wanted and not have to deal with pesky things like fines from the EPA thereby boosting profits by saving shit tons of money on labor and also saving money by not having to deal with fines and regulations from the US government agencies like OSHA/EPA.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Mdot21 on April 15, 2019, 03:13:06 PM
The U.S. has a lot of manufacturing, but our manufacturing is no longer the large shop employers it used to be.

The market vs. the economy is an interesting issue, and wage growth is part of that. One way to derive more profit, pushing up the market, is to pay employees less. The balance of the return on the product has shifted away from employees toward investors, which is good if you are an investor, but bad if you are a middle-class worker. While we hear noises about it, it has been a surprisingly little-discussed political issue.
I wouldn't say the US has a lot of manufacturing. Take the very small but highly profitable subsection of computer/high-tech out of the manufacturing #'s and you start to see just how bad manufacturing really is....
https://qz.com/1269172/the-epic-mistake-about-manufacturing-thats-cost-americans-millions-of-jobs/
Oh, and I agree with you 100% on the last part. Not talked about enough. And one of the biggest reasons for the CEO pay gap vs average worker. CEO's compensation is stock related now. Their #1 goal is not to build and grow a sustainable, stable business that's profitable for the long term. It's how can I push the share price up and make hundreds of millions of dollars for myself and the executive class this year through stock related compensation and make the shareholders happy as hell with high stock prices. Take this douchebag Frank Bisignano for example. He became the CEO of a company called First Data in 2013, and his base salary was $1.3 million in 2017, but he made $102+ million in total compensation in 2017 due to- yup, you guessed it- stock related compensation. You know, only roughly 2,028 times the average pay of one of his workers.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 15, 2019, 03:35:06 PM
I would think an increasing stock price is at least one indication of a company that is likely to do well over the longer haul.  Executive incentive pay is one way to encourage higher stock prices, which is something the owners of the company tend to like.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Mdot21 on April 15, 2019, 03:37:29 PM
(https://static.seekingalpha.com/uploads/2018/8/1/saupload_median-household-income-in-the-21st-century-nominal-and-real-estimates-200001-thru-201806_thumb1.png)
real wages have been stagnant for decades.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/patrickwwatson/2018/09/25/real-wage-growth-is-actually-falling/#70fe836b7284
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 15, 2019, 03:40:53 PM
I think the chart shows some ups and downs but the current state is about what it was in 2000, around $60 K a year per HH.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on April 15, 2019, 03:59:18 PM
Looks like Notre Dame Cathedral in France is toast roof and spire collapsed into the structure.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 15, 2019, 04:02:51 PM
Yes, I'm not sure if the iconic square towers will survive, but hopefully they will.  We're headed over in May for 3 weeks.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on April 15, 2019, 04:06:19 PM
Wonder if it was a spark from a torch,hopefully not careless smoking.Sure there was some priceless art go up in flames
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 15, 2019, 04:13:30 PM
I'm hard pressed to see how it got so out of control without earlier notice, but perhaps it was noted and got going before anyone could contain it.  That suggests, I think, an accelerant of some sort, perhaps construction materials.  Perhaps the work included a lot of canvas sheets to protect materials and they had some sort of flammable solvent around?

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on April 15, 2019, 04:17:24 PM
With huge pocket of air and drafts going thru it'd be like tinder.Someone said a lot of the higher framing was wood
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Mdot21 on April 15, 2019, 04:22:58 PM
Looks like Notre Dame Cathedral in France is toast roof and spire collapsed into the structure.
so unbelievably sad. I was just there two years ago. Feels like yesterday. can't believe this has happened.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Mdot21 on April 15, 2019, 04:46:22 PM
I would think an increasing stock price is at least one indication of a company that is likely to do well over the longer haul.  Executive incentive pay is one way to encourage higher stock prices, which is something the owners of the company tend to like.
Yeah, no they really don't have a whole lot to do with eachother. There are plenty of ways to manipulate share prices in the short term which can put a company at risk in the long term.

Just look at the corporate debt bubble that has built up. There's been a record amount of debt and a record amount of corporations buying their stock back. Corporations have been borrowing cheap money to buyback shares to boost prices at record rates. And that money just flows into the hands of the few. The top .01 own 17% of the stocks in the entire country, the next .9% own 35% and the next 9% own 43%. There's $9 trillion there in corporate debt on it's way to 10 trillion. TRILLION. HUGE chunk of that debt hasn't gone to investing in R&D or plants or jobs or the future, it's just gone to repurchasing shares.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 15, 2019, 04:49:35 PM
This isn't exactly true. .
Which part of what I wrote I not true? It's all exactly true.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 15, 2019, 04:55:50 PM
(https://static.seekingalpha.com/uploads/2019/3/6/49821292-15519017960441937.png)

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4247445-concerning-corporate-debt-levels (https://seekingalpha.com/article/4247445-concerning-corporate-debt-levels)

I think most serious investors understand this and can read a balance sheet to understand if a company has become overly leveraged.  Trading stock for cash and reversing the process of course is something companies have done for some time, usually favoring debt when interest rates are low and more stock when interest rates are higher.

If a company thinks their stock is a better investment than spending it on something else, a stock buyback makes sense, to me anyway.  If they need cash for prudent investments, they can issue more stock and/or borrow as needed.

But there certainly is a concerning level of overall debt in our economy.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MichiFan87 on April 15, 2019, 05:08:29 PM
The only way more manufacturing production is come back to the US is with mostly / fully automated plants, which are more common in Asia, anyway. Those jobs aren't coming back. The main exceptions are with things like wind turbines that aren't easily transported, along with other large machinery and infrastructure.

And automation of manufacturing jobs is only the beginning. Transportation is under an obvious threat but so are white-collar jobs, even in finance, along with more obvious roles like accounting and administrative work.

Meanwhile, freelance and temporary / contract roles are increasingly replacing regular full-time jobs (it's widely reported that net job growth over the past decade is only from non-permanent jobs).

That said, income inequality is inevitably just get worse, and there's no great solution to it unless/until the 1% becomes so rich that universal basic income actually becomes feasible.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Mdot21 on April 15, 2019, 05:09:55 PM
Which part of what I wrote I not true? It's all exactly true.
That there are millions of manufacturing jobs that no one wants or aren't qualified for. There aren't. There may be some of that, but it'll never come close to being able to replace the millions of manufacturing jobs lost. It's not like there are 6 million manufacturing jobs out there that people aren't qualified or don't want. Who knows what the real number is, but it's nowhere close to the 6 million manufacturing jobs that were lost from 2000-2010 alone.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on April 15, 2019, 05:15:08 PM
A company can also be plenty healthy, but also do its very best to keep its wages down and its per-share profits inversely higher. On a case-by-case basis, that is likely a healthy company, but it is one that is part of a system that has kept wages from increasing with productivity. As CD notes about the median wage chart, that's the median--it isn't controlling for the differences in wage growth for various different earning groups. Particularly, the top 5% and top 1% have done extraordinarily well for the last forty years, while earners in the middle have not. And that's just in wages adjusted for inflation. If you look at wages vs. productivity, the middle has done much worse, i.e., productivity per earner has far outpaced wage growth. That, of course, fuels corporate profits (more productivity without more cost equals more profit), which--again--is good for the shareholder (although most Americans own some stock, more than 80% of stock is held by the top 10%).

What this means for our economy and our democracy are interesting questions that are probably not well suited to this forum. :-)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 15, 2019, 06:09:27 PM
That there are millions of manufacturing jobs that no one wants or aren't qualified for. There aren't. There may be some of that, but it'll never come close to being able to replace the millions of manufacturing jobs lost. It's not like there are 6 million manufacturing jobs out there that people aren't qualified or don't want. Who knows what the real number is, but it's nowhere close to the 6 million manufacturing jobs that were lost from 2000-2010 alone.
I didn't say there were millions. I know for a fact that there are ~10K open in this area:
Harper College District 512

Harper College District 512 comprises these communities:
Arlington Heights, Barrington, Barrington Hills, Buffalo Grove+, Carpentersville+, Deer Park+, Des Plaines+, Elk Grove Village, Fox River Grove+, Hanover Park+, Hoffman Estates+, Inverness, Lake Barrington, Mount Prospect, North Barrington, Palatine, Prospect Heights, Rolling Meadows, Roselle+, Schaumburg, South Barrington, Tower Lakes, Wheeling.
+ Portions of these communities are included in the district.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 15, 2019, 07:34:17 PM
Notre Dame cathedral is owned by the French government.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Mdot21 on April 15, 2019, 11:00:37 PM
(https://static.seekingalpha.com/uploads/2019/3/6/49821292-15519017960441937.png)

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4247445-concerning-corporate-debt-levels (https://seekingalpha.com/article/4247445-concerning-corporate-debt-levels)

I think most serious investors understand this and can read a balance sheet to understand if a company has become overly leveraged.  Trading stock for cash and reversing the process of course is something companies have done for some time, usually favoring debt when interest rates are low and more stock when interest rates are higher.

If a company thinks their stock is a better investment than spending it on something else, a stock buyback makes sense, to me anyway.  If they need cash for prudent investments, they can issue more stock and/or borrow as needed.

But there certainly is a concerning level of overall debt in our economy. 
There's $5.5 trillion in corporate debt that is basically "subprime". $1.3 trillion in leveraged loans, $1.2 trillion in junk bonds, and $3+ trillion in "investment grade" corporate debt that is literally just one notch above junk. Compare that amount of "subprime" debt to the 2007 mortgage crisis where the value of those subprime mortgages was about $1.3 trillion.
When there's an economic slowdown and interest rates rise it's going to wipe out a bunch of companies that can't service their debt. Could just trigger a domino effect and send the US into another deep recession.
Borrowing money to buy back stock is just dumb business. Look no further than GE: https://seekingalpha.com/article/4224059-corporate-share-buybacks-looking-dumber-day
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 16, 2019, 12:55:24 AM
Companies that are fledgling act like animals acting out near-death...they refuse to accept their fate.  While the animals lack the reason to see the writing on the wall, the companies ignore reason and continue, kicking and screaming in vain, to go on, existing.


Imagine a CEO telling the stockholders that all indicators point to the eventual downfall of the company in 10-15 years and that it's the beginning of the end and that everyone should cut 'n run.  Even though that'd be the very best CEO in the world, he'd be fired immediately and the leftover peoples would scratch and claw to try to keep the company afloat long-term.


People who only go by the numbers wind up hoping and praying with only one card left in the deck that can help them.  It'd be silly if it wasn't so repetitive and affect so many lives.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 16, 2019, 07:31:00 AM
Borrowing money to buy back stock makes sense if  your stock prices goes higher, and or if it stays the same paying a 3% dividend and bonds cost you 2% or less.

GE stock of course tanked, so it did not make sense for them obviously.  

The news coming out of Paris this morning is a bit rosier than it appeared yesterday.

Firefighters say the cathedral's stone construction and main works of art were saved after the 9-hour blaze (https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/notre-dame-fire/index.html)
 (https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/notre-dame-fire/index.html) (https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/notre-dame-fire/index.html)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on April 16, 2019, 01:52:35 PM
Yeah that's really good news.

And already lots of $$$ being pledged to the rebuilding by French companies/billionaires, and I'm sure that global support will be quite strong as well. 

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MichiFan87 on April 16, 2019, 04:15:33 PM
Since it fits this topic, and I kind of alluded to it earlier, I might as well ask it here.

I think I'm finally able to make the leap and go all in on self-employment. My contract job I moved to DC for recently ended, and fortunately I've been able to connect with several entrepreneurs who are interested in working with me and even seem willing to connect me with others that I could work with. I should be able to get started next week.

So all that said, I want to make sure I don't screw this up, because I know I don't fit in the corporate world, and contract jobs (the easiest ones to get) tend to be at the most bureaucratic places. I know some of you are or at least have been self-employed so I'm open to any and all advice. I know the basics (self-employment tax with the full share of SSI and Medicare taxes, and making quarterly payments), but any other insight would be appreciated.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 16, 2019, 04:20:27 PM
Self-employment is a big leap.


My first step would be to hire the best attorney and best accountant you can find. Second would be to establish a relationship with a bank or CU (I prefer the latter).


I imagine this is a silly question.. but have you written a business plan yet?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 16, 2019, 05:30:29 PM
Credit unions are great, generally speaking.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 16, 2019, 05:36:46 PM
Yep, they are. Been with mine for 25 years now. But, much like a bank, they are going to want to see a business plan, if any capital is being sought.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 16, 2019, 05:42:27 PM
The wife found a local credit union that works for her.  I tried just banking with my broker and that is working fine, so I have accounts only at one place now (almost, with a slight exception forced on me).
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MichiFan87 on April 17, 2019, 01:00:41 AM
I wouldn't necessarily call it a business plan, but I have thought about how much I could make and how soon. I have decent emergency fund, too.

Basically, I should be able to charge $50+ / hr or close to that on a project basis. In my contract job I was paid $37 / hr and was probably billed at double that for what was mostly administrative work, whereas most of my experience is real analytical work. Point being, even just 50 hours per month at $50 / hr = $2500 pretax, which would still mostly cover my main expenses, and I expect to get at least that much work at that rate or better. In the worst case scenario, I'm in contention for a decent full-time job as well as a staffing agency that can give me part-time temporary work.

I'm not really trying to start my own company, as much as I'm just looking to find other entrepreneurs that I can support. I have an aunt with a CPA, which certainly helps, though. I agree and know I should have a separate bank account for business purposes and find a labor/self-employment-focused lawyer, as well.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on April 17, 2019, 09:17:24 AM
Ii've got accounts all over the place.  I really need to consolidate.  There's nothing to be done in the retirement accounts, I have an IRA that I was forced to rollover from my employer's 401k when I left my first job.  But luckily my 401Ks with both of my last two employers are handled by the same company, so although I can't invest any further in the old one, I can still manage it through the portal on my new one.  Since I don't really touch those retirement accounts very often, it's not that big of a deal, but I can at least view those two in the same place.

My family's primary banking/checking/savings accounts are with a different company, and then my business accounts for managing our real estate investments are with yet another company.  It gets a little overwhelming to manage.  I've tried Mint and iMoney and some other similar programs that are designed to consolidate the views and help manage it all, but they just don't work cohesively enough with my various financial institutions.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 17, 2019, 09:52:05 AM
I know, let's build more freeway lanes, that should solve the traffic problem.

https://atlanta.curbed.com/2019/4/17/18411608/ga-highway-400-express-lanes-traffic-peach-pass (https://atlanta.curbed.com/2019/4/17/18411608/ga-highway-400-express-lanes-traffic-peach-pass)

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 17, 2019, 11:19:47 AM
I wouldn't necessarily call it a business plan, but I have thought about how much I could make and how soon. I have decent emergency fund, too.

Basically, I should be able to charge $50+ / hr or close to that on a project basis. In my contract job I was paid $37 / hr and was probably billed at double that for what was mostly administrative work, whereas most of my experience is real analytical work. Point being, even just 50 hours per month at $50 / hr = $2500 pretax, which would still mostly cover my main expenses, and I expect to get at least that much work at that rate or better. In the worst case scenario, I'm in contention for a decent full-time job as well as a staffing agency that can give me part-time temporary work.

I'm not really trying to start my own company, as much as I'm just looking to find other entrepreneurs that I can support. I have an aunt with a CPA, which certainly helps, though. I agree and know I should have a separate bank account for business purposes and find a labor/self-employment-focused lawyer, as well.
That makes things a little different, but it's not that much different. You still need to separate every aspect of personal and business. That is first and foremost. Then, you need to think long and hard about where you will be in 20 years. 

Starting a company to make a living is much different than starting a company to make a business. Granted, you can do both, but the latter needs to be carefully thought about (systems, marketing, hiring, business climate, competition, etc.).

My business will be there when I'm not there anymore, but that was my goal. I can give advice along those lines because that's what I know.

One more piece of advice I will give is that when you prepare your Performa, always consider net profit as a cost - not an option. Profit is essential. Breaking even or losing money is more like a hobby activity. Work should not be a hobby.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on April 22, 2019, 09:43:23 AM
Quote
Work should not be a hobby.
I'll have to google this term 'hobby'.  I'm unfamiliar with it- work I'm keenly aware of.  "Hobby"?  Is it condensed terminology from Lord of the Rings? 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 22, 2019, 09:55:11 AM
I recall someone here, maybe Badge, saying he didn't want to "wish summer away" (not that we can control passage of time, or even perception thereof).  I mused that time appears to pass more slowly when you are really really looking forward to a thing.  When we were kids, December was the LOONNNGGGGESSSTT month.  Of course, we're all still kids, and summer seems like the longest season, because there is no "news" and football is WAY OFF.

I'm going to try and enjoy spring and summer and not think much about CFB, too much anyway.  It's a fun time of year.  And the years themselves are passing quickly for me now.  The wife took a photo of me yesterday and I look like an "old man" now, or what my eyes think of as an old man.  Football will be upon us soon enough, the anticipation will merely prolong the perceived passage of time.  So don't think about it.  At all.  Ever.

Watch baseball if you want to drag life out.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on April 22, 2019, 09:58:38 AM
I could post a photo of myself if it doesn't give you a heart attack at least you might feel better about your appearance
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 22, 2019, 10:09:00 AM
I recall someone here, maybe Badge, saying he didn't want to "wish summer away" (not that we can control passage of time, or even perception thereof).  I mused that time appears to pass more slowly when you are really really looking forward to a thing.  When we were kids, December was the LOONNNGGGGESSSTT month.  Of course, we're all still kids, and summer seems like the longest season, because there is no "news" and football is WAY OFF.

I'm going to try and enjoy spring and summer and not think much about CFB, too much anyway.  It's a fun time of year.  And the years themselves are passing quickly for me now.  The wife took a photo of me yesterday and I look like an "old man" now, or what my eyes think of as an old man.  Football will be upon us soon enough, the anticipation will merely prolong the perceived passage of time.  So don't think about it.  At all.  Ever.

Watch baseball if you want to drag life out.
This. All of this.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 22, 2019, 10:10:28 AM
So the Italy trip is now just days away. The wife asked me yesterday if I was getting excited for it. I told her I was not yet, because I didn't want to find my time wishing my other days away. I'll get excited when the limo shows up to the house.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 22, 2019, 10:32:10 AM
We're headed to France a week from Wednesday.  I had not been thinking about it much, and it has snuck up on me quickly.  A good thing is that I usually do all the trip planning, but this time I only had to make one hotel reservation and get a rental car for a three week binge.  The wife has been wanting to get me to Brittany for years now, so off we go.

The other option had been a Baltic cruise which somehow ran into real money.  Maybe next year.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 22, 2019, 10:37:20 AM
We use Azamara for cruising. There are no hidden costs with that line. Everything is included, unless you want premium booze, which is about $15/day. They lose their ass on me.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 22, 2019, 10:49:24 AM
I like this article a lot. And yes, the jobs are out there.


https://www.chicagotribune.com/lifestyles/ct-life-trade-schools-alternative-20190408-story.html

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 22, 2019, 10:50:34 AM
The problem wasn't add on fees etc., it was the book rate, coupled with air fare etc.  It's an 11 day cruise for one thing.  And then of course we'd probably book a tour of "Leningrad" and Helsinki etc.

And then the wife wanted to visit a close friend of her's in Sweden and then wanted to get to Paris as well.  All that added up.  Once it passed $15 K I opted for something else.

It makes comparisons a challenge when we can go to France and stay for free most places in the country.

And hotels in France are often not expensive outside Paris.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on April 22, 2019, 12:09:08 PM
The problem wasn't add on fees etc., it was the book rate, coupled with air fare etc.  It's an 11 day cruise for one thing.  And then of course we'd probably book a tour of "Leningrad" and Helsinki etc.

And then the wife wanted to visit a close friend of her's in Sweden and then wanted to get to Paris as well.  All that added up.  Once it passed $15 K I opted for something else.

It makes comparisons a challenge when we can go to France and stay for free most places in the country.

And hotels in France are often not expensive outside Paris.
And Nice, and Saint Tropez... ;)
But yeah, you're totally correct that out in the provinces, hotels can be quite affordable.  Not a ton of 5-star accommodations available, but they take their hospitality industry seriously over there, and even a 3-star can be really good.  Unfortunately dining out seems to be very expensive no matter where you are.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on April 22, 2019, 12:13:11 PM
We're doing a couples trip to Europe next summer, to intertwine in and around the EuroCup 2020.  We're still debating our route, it basically comes down to the Wine Tour or the Beer Tour.  Wine tour is southern Europe (Spain, France, Italy, and perhaps Croatia), while the Beer Tour would be more like Prague-Germany-Belgium and then maybe one place in England/Ireland/Scotland. 

We'll try and hit at least one actual soccer match, and in general be in and around cities that are hosting them, because there's a lot of energy and it's a fun way to do it.

But we're getting to the point where we need to make the decision on the basic direction, and then begin to finalize the plans.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 22, 2019, 12:34:02 PM
The wife had a cousin in St. Tropez so we stayed with them one night.  Nice is nice.  Biarritz is nice.  Hotels do get pricey in the tourist areas of course.

We did a very nice B&B in Lourdes for three nights for about $340 total.  We were their only guests and the lady running it made great breakfasts.  She was Danish.  She directed us to a restaurant three blocks away that was so good we ate there every night, which we never do.  We did a B&B in Avignon that was reasonable, we had 6 people total, it had 3 BDRs, ended up about $200 a night, but no breakfast.  I can stay at any Hilton "for free" but some of the ones we really liked have changed hands (in France).

Staying with friends and cousins is often an option for us.  The only hotel room I booked for 3 weeks if the Hilton at CDG before we fly out.

I have never flown from ATL to CDG, I wonder if we still get horrible gate assignments, probably do.  We have four flights a day here.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: GopherRock on April 22, 2019, 12:59:56 PM
The fiance keeps asking me if I'm getting excited for our wedding, six and a half weeks from now.  I keep telling her that I'll get excited once we're a lot closer. Like others here, I don't want to wish days away. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 22, 2019, 01:45:43 PM
The fiance keeps asking me if I'm getting excited for our wedding, six and a half weeks from now.  I keep telling her that I'll get excited once we're a lot closer. Like others here, I don't want to wish days away.
That is the wrong answer.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Riffraft on April 22, 2019, 02:43:36 PM
The wife had a cousin in St. Tropez so we stayed with them one night.  Nice is nice.  Biarritz is nice.  Hotels do get pricey in the tourist areas of course.

We did a very nice B&B in Lourdes for three nights for about $340 total.  We were their only guests and the lady running it made great breakfasts.  She was Danish.  She directed us to a restaurant three blocks away that was so good we ate there every night, which we never do.  We did a B&B in Avignon that was reasonable, we had 6 people total, it had 3 BDRs, ended up about $200 a night, but no breakfast.  I can stay at any Hilton "for free" but some of the ones we really liked have changed hands (in France).

Staying with friends and cousins is often an option for us.  The only hotel room I booked for 3 weeks if the Hilton at CDG before we fly out.

I have never flown from ATL to CDG, I wonder if we still get horrible gate assignments, probably do.  We have four flights a day here.
When we went overseas we used an app called Homeway and rented an apartment rather than a hotel room. Much nicer and much cheaper. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on April 23, 2019, 09:43:22 AM
That is the wrong answer.
Yeah I gotta agree with OAM here.
"Absolutely, honey, I can't freaking WAIT!" is about the only acceptable answer here.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on April 23, 2019, 09:44:20 AM
When we went overseas we used an app called Homeway and rented an apartment rather than a hotel room. Much nicer and much cheaper.
You can get lots of deals using HomeAway (VRBO) or other similar services.  And I like those for family vacation rentals, things like beach-houses and ski cabins.
But honestly, when traveling abroad with just my i s c & a aggie wife, I prefer staying in hotels.  I like the concierge service, room service, maid service, on-site bars and restaurants, all those full-service details that come with staying in a hotel.  Exceptions would be things like renting a villa in Tuscany, or a chalet in France, but to date we haven't had the time (or $$$) to commit to one place long enough to do something like that.  Maybe in a few years, or after I win the lotto...
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 23, 2019, 10:06:09 AM
We're doing all B&B's on this trip. I don't need the services because I know where I'm going and know what I want to do. This will end up being about 1/3 the cost of our last trip to Italy. I'll say that it was nice being in ***** hotels, but man, that was expensive.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 23, 2019, 10:23:31 AM
Another beautiful day in the neighborhood.  We had our neighbor, the now retired Tech professor, for dinner last night hearing about his travels.  We're going to walk to his office down at Tech to see the physics building.  He's a really interesting fellow.  He is just back from a cruise from Tierra del Fuego to Capetown, and then he visited Zambia.  He has some amazing photographs, some really high end gear.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: GopherRock on April 23, 2019, 12:22:27 PM
We're doing all B&B's on this trip. I don't need the services because I know where I'm going and know what I want to do. This will end up being about 1/3 the cost of our last trip to Italy. I'll say that it was nice being in ***** hotels, but man, that was expensive.
Once you get back, send me some details. We're going to Italy for our honeymoon over the Christmas/New Years break this winter. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 23, 2019, 02:53:10 PM
Back from my walk with the professor.  The Tech campus is a LOT nicer than it was in 1972, some very nice open areas, feels more like a college environment than a place stuck in where space allowed.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 23, 2019, 05:48:36 PM
So, it looks like we're going to Turkey next May.  And maybe Greece.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on April 23, 2019, 10:00:26 PM
Prepping the house for listing, and yeah moving sucks, packing, blah blah, but the one thing that i'm learning to hate,  finding the color match for a small piece of trim for which you have barely any idea what the color is on the window trim or ceilings.   I've got a few decent chips, and hope that gets it done.  I'm sure the color names have been re done.   I've got 4/6 I need.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on April 24, 2019, 04:51:14 PM
Is repainting all the trim a possibility?  Might be worth it in appealing to potential buyers.  Anyway, I feel your pain, we were going to sell our previous house and I did a lot of that work.  Then we decided to keep it and rent it out, and it showed very well and brought in a much better class of renters.

Also doesn't hurt that it's a block away from Apple's massive and ever-expanding campus in NW Austin.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 24, 2019, 05:06:48 PM
Moving at my age was extremely difficult for me.  It obviously isn't like the old days of yore when we'd call a few friends and get a UHaul truck and some pizzas.

At least I had moved from my house a few years earlier and had to get rid of a lot of stuff then.  I dumped quite a bit on my daughter this time, the mower and fertilizer and garden stuff.

The moving in was a pain.  I rented a UHaul truck to carry my "valuables" down here, mostly wine and sound system and important documents.  I just got an email from Delta telling me it's almost time to go.  It's a week off.  We can upgrade to Delta One for something like $29,000.  Or so.

I like it here where we live, I don't much want to travel any more.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Riffraft on April 24, 2019, 06:22:01 PM
Moving at my age was extremely difficult for me.  It obviously isn't like the old days of yore when we'd call a few friends and get a UHaul truck and some pizzas.

At least I had moved from my house a few years earlier and had to get rid of a lot of stuff then.  I dumped quite a bit on my daughter this time, the mower and fertilizer and garden stuff.

The moving in was a pain.  I rented a UHaul truck to carry my "valuables" down here, mostly wine and sound system and important documents.  I just got an email from Delta telling me it's almost time to go.  It's a week off.  We can upgrade to Delta One for something like $29,000.  Or so.

I like it here where we live, I don't much want to travel any more.
Not sure how old you are, but I agree moving at my age is difficult. So when I move last August I hired a moving company to move me for the first time. All other moves were u-haul with friends and family. I even had them take down the beds and put them back up. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on April 24, 2019, 09:57:59 PM
If we did all the trim, then imo, it might create a "why didn't you repaint the walls", and they still look good.   The guys did a nice job and probably did a much better job matching than I would have done.  These kids rooms will likely be painted anyways by new owners, unless they have 2 girls and one boy or some variation with no more than one boy.   The guest room is boy ready.

House is 14yrs.  I don't think Badger did any damage while visiting.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on April 25, 2019, 10:35:59 PM
I hear ya on the "give 'em an inch, they'll take a mile."  We tried to keep our costs way down on the prep for turning our previous home into a rental.  Fortunately I'd already done a ton of renovation on it, including renter-friendly things like converting almost all of the carpet into laminate flooring (that I bought on the cheap and installed myself).  Overall we've kept it on a really tight budget and we're seeing fantastic ROI.

We just had some great tenants of about 5 years move out of our rental, and although they took very good care of it, it's now had 8 years of wear and tear since we move out.  I took the opportunity to have our painters come in and repaint all the walls (not the trim), and scrape all of the popcorn ceilings.  That would need to be done anyway, when we eventually sell the property way down the line, and we got a great deal from my painter/contractor since we were doing all the work at once. I have to say the house right now looks better than at any time when we lived in it, and I loved that house, it was our starter.  Our tenants are lucky, lucky people. :)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 01, 2019, 07:49:57 PM
Big police standoff in Newport Beach right now after a police chase. Apparently it's a guy who is armed and wanted on a "no-bail" warrant. 

Of course, it's in the parking lot of my wife's employer. She's not in any danger, but it's annoying that she's stuck at work and can't leave (it's now 20 minutes past normal closure of the office) because we're trying to figure out what this joker's gonna do. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MichiFan87 on May 02, 2019, 12:18:15 AM
Early returns on self-employment are very encouraging.... Not much work yet, but what I've gotten is rather lucrative for the time it took, and it sounds like there's a lot in the pipeline from at least one of the entrepreneurs that I'm working with.... It's surreal but very empowering that I can wake up at 9, start working by 10 without having to get dressed and be done by 4 most of the time. I'm sure that'll change as I get busier, but for now it works well.... The main downside is that because I live in a somewhat inconvenient part of DC, it's not as convenient to get downtown for any evening events compared to if I were still working in the contract job. That's a minor complaint, of course, though.... Longer-term, it also won't be nearly as easy to get a mortgage to finally buy a place, either, since I understand most lenders want at least a year's worth of proven income for self-employed people.

Conversely, unfortunately the dating scene has been very disappointing. Of course, not wanting kids is a disadvantage for me, but I've still only had one date so far. Consequently, I'm refocusing my goals in my personal life into other areas....
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on May 02, 2019, 01:51:46 AM
I was in DC earlier this week (usually visit 2-3xs per year).  Place is teeming with activity.   Amazing to see some of these neighborhoods turn around so quickly.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MichiFan87 on May 02, 2019, 12:05:16 PM
I was in DC earlier this week (usually visit 2-3xs per year).  Place is teeming with activity.  Amazing to see some of these neighborhoods turn around so quickly.
For sure. The first time I lived in DC 3 years ago, I lived in the Navy Yard and rarely ventured too far past U St NW or H St NE. Now I realize how overpriced the neighborhoods near downtown are, and this time I live in an area that used to be considered dangerous on the northern side of the city, and now it's safe and surprisingly affordable compared to nicer areas. There's not much to do in the immediate neighborhood, but the bus system makes it easy enough to get downtown and the nearest Metro stops.... The only dangerous areas left are primarily just on the other side of the Anacostia, and even those are getting nicer.... Of course, Amazon moving into Arlington/Alexandria is only exacerbating concerns about gentrification, though....
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on May 03, 2019, 12:10:33 PM
Damn, Tim Bliss, whose account must have had hundreds of full college football games, had his YouTube channel shut down over copyright issues.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 03, 2019, 12:18:02 PM
dern!
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 03, 2019, 10:28:51 PM
The wife ordered 50 g of caviar at lunch yesterday in Paris, 166 euros, nearly $200.

For fish eggs not big enough for a small omelette.

Rotisserie is not the thing that goes round and round in French.  Huh.  It's a shop.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 03, 2019, 10:58:52 PM
must be some VERY tasty fish eggs

I've had caviar on someone else's tab.  Not bad, but not something I search out and pay a ton of $$$ for.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 03, 2019, 11:00:22 PM
Lunch was already pricey.  She insisted I try some.  Meh.

Oh well.

Chilly and rainy here, no yellow jackets though.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 03, 2019, 11:08:39 PM
something to be thankful about
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 04, 2019, 02:17:23 AM
Just ate a fresh croissant, yum.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 04, 2019, 08:31:53 AM
I'm mixing bloody marys for the golf course.

Grad party at 1pm, so it's morning golf today

FORE!!!
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on May 04, 2019, 08:52:10 AM
The wife ordered 50 g of caviar at lunch yesterday in Paris, 166 euros, nearly $200.
You deserve it for egging her on
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on May 04, 2019, 08:53:37 AM
I'm mixing bloody marys for the golf course.

Grad party at 1pm, so it's morning golf today

FORE!!!
Good walk or stumble ruined
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: TyphonInc on May 04, 2019, 07:22:18 PM
May the 4th be with you.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 05, 2019, 08:53:05 AM
Good walk or stumble ruined
there may have been a few stumbles at the grad party
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 05, 2019, 01:09:13 PM
It's damn cold in Italy. The weather has been pretty crappy for the last few days. Snow here in Peschiara Del Garda last night. F'ing BS.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 05, 2019, 01:14:29 PM
Another Southern California Homebrew Festival in the books. There were a few stumbles this weekend lol. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 05, 2019, 03:09:17 PM
Headed to La Baule near Nante tomorrow, still chilly, cold here tonight, not going out at all, ill prepared for this weather.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 05, 2019, 03:33:33 PM
I'm going to try Ramadaning, just to see if I can.  No eating or drinking from sunrise to sunset for a month.  I figure I'll save some money and lose a few pounds.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 05, 2019, 06:04:23 PM
I'd wake early and retire after dark
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on May 05, 2019, 07:25:34 PM
I'm going to try Ramadaning, just to see if I can.  No eating or drinking from sunrise to sunset for a month.  I figure I'll save some money and lose a few pounds. 

Well you could have tried that during Lent......just sayin'
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on May 05, 2019, 09:41:11 PM
Attended a First Holy Communion Mass today which had 70 first communicants.   Communion took 35 minutes for the entire crowd of parishioners.   Much longer than any other high attendance Mass, which would typically be Easter, Palm Sunday, or Christmas.

I struggled mightily with giving up coffee one year. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on May 05, 2019, 10:58:18 PM
One year ?the Lord himself would not demand thatThe Super natural big Guy loves humanity - religion not so much IMHO
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 06, 2019, 12:58:37 AM
Well you could have tried that during Lent......just sayin'
Yeah, but that's so common.  Doing it Muslim-style is more unique.  It's all gibberish anyway.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: GopherRock on May 06, 2019, 08:34:07 AM
Attended a First Holy Communion Mass today which had 70 first communicants.  Communion took 35 minutes for the entire crowd of parishioners.  Much longer than any other high attendance Mass, which would typically be Easter, Palm Sunday, or Christmas.

I struggled mightily with giving up coffee one year.

I once went to a regular Sunday Mass where, unbeknownst to me, there were 13 babies on the docket to baptize. On top of that, each set of parents/godparents needed to answer the question set seperately for each kid. It took nearly 2 hours to get through that Mass. Needless to say, I didn't go there again.

The Archdiocese brings all their religious-ed confirmands to either the Cathedral in St Paul or Basilica in Minneapolis for their confirmations. While it means the bishops don't need to ride circuit, and they can crank through a lot of confirmations in a weekend, it does have an assembly-line vibe to the whole operation.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on May 07, 2019, 08:27:02 AM
On the really busy church days-- Christmas and Easter primarily-- when the pastor gives the part of the closing where he asks for anyone that wants to join the church, or anyone that wants to be baptized, I make sure to look around and give the evil eye to anyone that even LOOKS like they're thinking about standing up and doing something like that.  There are plenty of other days to get that business done, but a day when the service is already 30 minutes too long is NOT one of them.

I'm only partially kidding... :)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 07, 2019, 09:14:11 AM
So you take the time to wake up, get dressed, and go enrich yourself spiritually...but can't be bothered if it takes a few hours?  

The day religion dies will be the first peaceful day man has ever known.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 07, 2019, 10:40:50 AM
donchu blaspheme up in here!
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on May 07, 2019, 07:56:42 PM
I'm not complaining about the length of mass on my niece's first communion, only noting how long it is relative to other busy mass days.   The First Communion Mass is a special 2:30 pm mass, so its not like the regular parishioners came in and were surprised by this.

For the record, the longest Catholic service (its technically not a mass, as the Eucharist is not celebrated) (in my personal history) are always Good Friday.  Its the veneration of the Cross which contributes to the length of the service.

Any Eastern Orthodox wedding service can be long.  My older brother's was over 2 hours, and I was told by the wife's side that it was 'short'.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CatsbyAZ on May 07, 2019, 08:40:44 PM
Places I’ve been offered cocaine (unsolicited, declining all offers) in order, no context:

Blacksburg VA
Las Vegas NV (obviously)
Blacksburg VA
Hollywood FL (obviously?)
Biloxi MS
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on May 07, 2019, 08:52:47 PM
I remember when Bruce Bochy was managing the Padres and his team blew a game to the Brewers he was so ticked he decided to walk from Miller Park back to the Pfister Hotel downtown, about 5 miles.  He said he was offered cocaine and was approached by hookers.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 07, 2019, 09:58:00 PM
cocaine and hookers go together
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on May 08, 2019, 03:19:39 PM
So you take the time to wake up, get dressed, and go enrich yourself spiritually...but can't be bothered if it takes a few hours? 

The day religion dies will be the first peaceful day man has ever known.
Lighten up Francis just because it's not your thing doesn't mean others can't find it rewarding.Excuse me for interrupting your ramadan observances
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 08, 2019, 05:42:41 PM
some folks find a reason to starve themselves

some folks find a reason to enjoy cocaine and hookers
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 08, 2019, 07:31:20 PM
So I'm not ramadaning, sore throat makes not drinking for 15 straight hours untenable.  Plus my job requires me to talk a lot.  Oh well.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 08, 2019, 07:35:46 PM
Florida signs up for a home-and-home with Colorado!  Betcha a dollar it's because they have the same color scheme as UCF....
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 08, 2019, 08:18:53 PM
some folks find a reason to starve themselves

some folks find a reason to enjoy cocaine and hookers
You know, with an intermittent fasting diet, you can do both...
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 09, 2019, 09:59:12 AM
not much time or reason to eat when the party is going strong!
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on May 10, 2019, 08:23:42 AM
So you take the time to wake up, get dressed, and go enrich yourself spiritually...but can't be bothered if it takes a few hours? 

The day religion dies will be the first peaceful day man has ever known.
People fight over money-- resources.  Religion is sometimes a front for it.  Most times it is not.  As long as humans remain human there will never be a peaceful day on earth.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on May 10, 2019, 09:04:20 AM
Yep.  Drop into any flame-war on the WWW.  Religion is usually not the issue.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on May 10, 2019, 10:22:05 AM
Shoot, C-Dubb and I have our knock-down drag-out fights about college football, of all things. ;)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on May 10, 2019, 10:23:21 AM
Yeah.  Who could ever figure that?

On a college football message board, of all thing.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on May 10, 2019, 04:01:05 PM
Yep.  Drop into any flame-war on the WWW.  Religion is usually not the issue.
Well sure, but you want to stir things up with people, tell them that their fundamental understanding of their own existence is wrong. Not just wrong, but horribly wrong. Not hard to see why it's one of those topics you're supposed to stay away from in polite conversation...and college football message boards. :-)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on May 10, 2019, 04:13:44 PM
Well sure, but you want to stir things up with people, tell them that their fundamental understanding of their own existence is wrong. Not just wrong, but horribly wrong. Not hard to see why it's one of those topics you're supposed to stay away from in polite conversation...and college football message boards. :-)
That's what he said, college football.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on May 10, 2019, 04:22:20 PM
That's what he said, college football.
fair. :)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on May 10, 2019, 07:10:46 PM
Well sure, but you want to stir things up with people, tell them that their fundamental understanding of their own existence is wrong. Not just wrong, but horribly wrong. Not hard to see why it's one of those topics you're supposed to stay away from in polite conversation...and college football message boards. :-)
SFBadge:
I think you are confusing my comments with those of someone else.  OAM's comments on religion, perhaps? ~???
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on May 10, 2019, 08:03:20 PM
No doubt OAM's comment was the one that initially raised my eyebrows (and spurred my comment about college football boards). Responding to you, I was just suggesting that people don't seem to need religion to devolve into flame wars, but it sure doesn't hurt. :-)

But I'm not mad at anybody and I hope you didn't take it that way. I rarely am around here.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 11, 2019, 12:54:46 AM
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fundamental misunderstanding of their own existence
Suggesting a certain topic is impolite to discuss is a great way to avoid progress in the topic.  And as such, those topics MUST be discussed.




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On a college football note, Florida is finally turning over a new leaf and has agreed to another h&h:  Colorado and now Texas.  Paradigm shift in the scheduling policies of the Gators.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 11, 2019, 09:26:51 AM
a good shift

corngrats
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 11, 2019, 05:44:05 PM
Last night: scallops over leek risotto with lemon brown butter sauce. Damn this was good.

(https://scontent-sjc3-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/bd032452ca943776f7c888f4b3381c59/5D5E0786/t51.2885-15/e35/58411035_303597427224776_5863119986412995798_n.jpg?_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.cdninstagram.com)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 12, 2019, 09:09:14 AM
better than the burger I had

but, it was a good burger
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 13, 2019, 09:25:50 AM
Last night: scallops over leek risotto with lemon brown butter sauce. Damn this was good.

(https://scontent-sjc3-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/bd032452ca943776f7c888f4b3381c59/5D5E0786/t51.2885-15/e35/58411035_303597427224776_5863119986412995798_n.jpg?_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.cdninstagram.com)
Had a similar dish to that in Civitavecchia on the trip. Yeah, it was good.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on May 13, 2019, 09:46:09 AM
sea scallops are a staple on the coast here... i'm a fan.  i don't like bay scallops, though- they are like taking a bite out of the ocean they're so salty.  and tiny.  

one thing that is funny in that subject, though- you've got to be careful where you source your sea scallops... some unscrupulous folks catch skate (a tiny manta ray looking fish) and shove a sharpened pipe through them rendering somewhat round chunks of white flesh that appear to be scallops- and sell them as such. 

sea scallops take on whatever flavor is adjacent them easily.  because of that they ought not be prepared with dominant flavors unless that is your intent.  I absolutely love them saute'd in real butter and touch of olive oil, and place ATOP pasta and alfredo.  perhaps with a little bit of crispy bacon crushed and sprinkled over.  some chives.  some cracked black pepper.  simple and really good.  damnnnnit... guess what i'll be having for dinner now?  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on May 13, 2019, 12:28:27 PM
Browns sign LJ Scott as a free agent - like it.And Cavs sign John Beilein as head Coach,so Michigan-Michigan State connections in town
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on May 14, 2019, 11:59:21 AM
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fundamental misunderstanding of their own existence
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On a college football note, Florida is finally turning over a new leaf and has agreed to another h&h:  Colorado and now Texas.  Paradigm shift in the scheduling policies of the Gators.

I am 100% certain that openly discussing religion on this internet message board will result in absolutely no change in the viewpoints of the posters on this message board.  Consequently, zero "progress" (whatever the heck THAT means to you) would be made on the topic, in this particular forum.

There are other, better places to discuss these things-- specifically in-person and face-to-face, where the anonymity of the internet is removed and people are forced to interact with one another in completely personal and far more meaningful ways, rather than the memes, tropes, and generalizations invariably associated with internet-based discussions, from the inception of internet communication, to this very moment.

But on a college football note, I'm delighted to have Florida and Texas schedule a home-and-home, should be a great series even if it is somewhat distant in the future.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 14, 2019, 01:38:11 PM
So Purdue president Mitch Daniels said this as part of his speech to graduates (https://www.jconline.com/story/news/2019/05/10/mitch-daniels-new-purdue-grads-let-them-know-antonym-snowflake-boilermaker/1171910001/):


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Some in today’s world think they have discovered something new in the concept of “grit.” A Harvard Business School article just last fall was titled “Organizational Grit,” and reported that “High achievers have extraordinary stamina. ... When easier paths beckon, their commitment is steadfast. Grit predicts who will accomplish challenging goals.” So that’s why a Harvard MBA costs 200 grand.

Maybe this is all revelatory at Harvard. In our part of the country, it’s not news. The slogan of the Whiteland (Indiana) High School Class of 1930 was “Grit Wins.”  It could be a slogan at Purdue every year. I’m tempted to call Roget’s Thesaurus and let them know the antonym of “snowflake” is “Boilermaker.”


And of course, almost like clockwork, some snowflake took umbrage (https://www.jconline.com/story/news/opinion/letters/2019/05/13/purdue-prof-mitch-daniels-snowflake-comment-out-line-commencement-speech/1186755001/).


PoA...
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: rolltidefan on May 15, 2019, 03:22:05 PM
is this where we discuss recent movies and issues we have with them, or is there a cinema thread?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 15, 2019, 03:33:53 PM
is this where we discuss recent movies and issues we have with them, or is there a cinema thread?
I don't think we have a movies thread. Seems as good a place as any.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 16, 2019, 09:54:11 AM
or, you could push some traffic to the Big 12 board
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on May 16, 2019, 11:08:36 AM
I like movies.  And I really love the theaters with tables that serve food and beverages.  That's the only way I'll see a movie anymore.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on May 16, 2019, 11:55:29 AM
Ok then...I was surprisingly happy with Avengers End Game. Sure, there are things to quibble with, but I thought it was very well done, hitting a lot of great character arc and philosophical points.

Captain Marvel was a fine movie. Not especially good, not especially bad, just ok. It had some nice points, but wasn't especially compelling. Having said that, the people without Y chromosomes in my house liked it a lot more, which--to me--is as much a commentary on the dearth of quality women hero movies, as it is on the movie itself.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 16, 2019, 12:37:58 PM
I just have never gotten into the comic book movie thing... 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on May 16, 2019, 12:54:56 PM
I love the comic book movies. And Star Wars movies.  And Lord of the Rings movies.  And Harry Potter movies. Those are the kinds I really enjoy seeing on the big screen.

I also really enjoy a lot of indie and art films, but those I tend to watch at home. Usually alone, because my i s c & a aggie wife would honestly rather watch a Michael Bay explosion movie, than any indie or art film. :)

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on May 16, 2019, 12:57:26 PM
I too really liked Endgame, and thought it wrapped up the stories well.  We'll get a handful of movies from some of the castmembers, but I'm legitimately sad that the overall stories are coming to an end.  Same way I felt when LOTR wrapped up.

I was fine with Captain Marvel, it was cool seeing young Nick Fury and Coulson.  My 11yo daughter absolutely loved it, and she loved Wonder Woman too, and for her sake I'm glad they're making some (at least) decent movies with female superhero leads.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: rolltidefan on May 16, 2019, 01:49:56 PM
Moved to movie thread
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on May 16, 2019, 04:23:42 PM
I was fine with Captain Marvel, it was cool seeing young Nick Fury and Coulson.  My 11yo daughter absolutely loved it, and she loved Wonder Woman too, and for her sake I'm glad they're making some (at least) decent movies with female superhero leads.
Agreed, though I thought Wonder Woman was a legitimately great movie.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on May 16, 2019, 04:29:45 PM
Agreed, though I thought Wonder Woman was a legitimately great movie.
Yeah, that's why I said "at least" decent.  I think WW was more than that. Not sure if I'd call it "great" but certainly very good and by far the best of the recent DC movies (though I liked Justice League and Aquaman more than most folks did, it would seem from my conversations with others).
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 16, 2019, 05:34:43 PM
I get dragged to a movie once a year or so. There must be leather chairs so I can wipe them down before sitting.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 16, 2019, 06:32:47 PM
I actually don't go to a lot of movies. But when we do, it's always the fancy theater with a full bar and reclining seats. 

Unless we've got the kids. Then we slum it. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on May 16, 2019, 06:45:58 PM
I got to probably 4 movies per year-- the really big releases, like I mentioned earlier.  And I definitely only go to the theater with the fancy seats and food and drink service.

In fact, I really only go to The Alamo Drafthouse, because they are EXTREMELY strict about no talking/no texting/no general jackassery.  They will throw people out for it.  They have a whole series of awesome PSAs that run before each movie about it, like these:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpew-IfW6JQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpew-IfW6JQ)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=159aC5YSio4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=159aC5YSio4)


Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on May 16, 2019, 07:00:10 PM
Oh man. If only. SFIrish is awesome in many ways, but she talks all the time during movies. Drives me (and the not-so-littles) insane!
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on May 16, 2019, 09:03:11 PM
100 glorious days of off season remain. Make 'em each count. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 16, 2019, 10:07:20 PM
I get dragged to a movie once a year or so. 
not me
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 16, 2019, 11:05:16 PM
Oh man. If only. SFIrish is awesome in many ways, but she talks all the time during movies. Drives me (and the not-so-littles) insane!
Does she ask you questions about the movie as if you know what's going on? 

"I don't know why he got in the cab, honey, I have the same information you have." 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 16, 2019, 11:48:35 PM
hah,

"I know why he got in the cab, honey, I have the same information you have."  pay attention
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on May 17, 2019, 07:48:09 AM
Oh man. If only. SFIrish is awesome in many ways, but she talks all the time during movies. Drives me (and the not-so-littles) insane!
You have Alamo Drafthouse in San Francisco.  Just go there, and if she talks, they'll take her ass out. :)

https://drafthouse.com/sf


( (https://drafthouse.com/sf)You could even raise the card to alert the waitstaff yourself, and she'd never know ;) )
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 17, 2019, 12:30:47 PM
Have bronchitis.  They say a doctor can see me in two weeks.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 17, 2019, 12:34:48 PM
still in France?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 17, 2019, 12:37:47 PM
Have bronchitis.  They say a doctor can see me in two weeks.

I got that too, on the plane back from Italy, or in Italy. Probably the plane. I saw my doctor in 3 minutes, but I'm home now.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 17, 2019, 12:46:38 PM
In France another week, mostly in bet I reckon.

Have some nice photos in Brittany before the illness.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on May 17, 2019, 05:20:48 PM
But then I'd have to hear about the indignity of it...

Life is an earthly toil.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on May 17, 2019, 09:33:13 PM
Putting house on market next week.   Moving sucks.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 17, 2019, 10:38:48 PM
I can't wait to mess up your new kitchen.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 18, 2019, 08:13:47 AM
moving sucks but you can get rid of some of the accumulated clutter

I've been in my small house for 30 years
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on May 18, 2019, 08:30:08 AM
This is true.  I suppose it has helped moving after 10 yrs, to keep it lean.  It's all the grunt work to get house showing ready that blows.  The 10yr old gets it she watches hgtv,  the 7 yr old on the other hand...
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on May 18, 2019, 08:37:22 AM
I used to love HGTV.  They had all of those great DIY shows, which is my jam.  Now it seems like it's all reality competition shows and whatnot.  I'm way less interested in that.  Even DIY network has moved away from the DIY stuff.  

Anyway yes moving sucks. Our last move was 7 years ago, there are still 2 boxes in the attic that I haven't touched.  No idea what's in them.  

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on May 18, 2019, 10:42:09 AM
Our last move was 7 years ago, there are still 2 boxes in the attic that I haven't touched.  No idea what's in them. 


Prolly some Live Oak Pilz and Tito's,shame really
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 18, 2019, 10:51:10 AM
might be the wife's aggie gear
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 18, 2019, 10:54:03 AM
off the the Inn for a couple schooners to warm up for the golf course!!!

FORE!!!!
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on May 18, 2019, 11:02:17 AM
Dare I say it's hot this morning.   Kids worn down from pool party yesterday.   Going to get rid of the last remaining hazardous materials.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on May 18, 2019, 02:50:51 PM
off the the Inn for a couple schooners to warm up for the golf course!!!

FORE!!!!
No such thing - one's too many a 1000 not enough
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 18, 2019, 03:28:37 PM
This is true.  I suppose it has helped moving after 10 yrs, to keep it lean.  It's all the grunt work to get house showing ready that blows.  The 10yr old gets it she watches hgtv,  the 7 yr old on the other hand...

I was able to radically reduce clutter when I moved in the divorce, and the new lady is much leaner than the old one too ;-) 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 18, 2019, 09:51:34 PM
No such thing - one's too many a 1000 not enough
true
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 19, 2019, 08:10:15 AM
Moving about killed me.  It gets tougher as you age.  All my flying gear disappeared somehow.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 19, 2019, 09:51:38 AM
I plan one move after retirement

someplace near a golf course and Utee's backyard

I won't take much, but it will be too much
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on May 19, 2019, 03:50:42 PM
94 will prolly be down sizing 5 years after you move in
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on May 19, 2019, 04:00:15 PM
 All my flying gear disappeared somehow.


DB Cooper has finally slipped up
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 19, 2019, 04:16:07 PM
five years of good eats is a plus

5 years after I retire I'll be old enough to go back to soft food
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on May 19, 2019, 04:46:15 PM
Soft Pretzels are good with Bud Fat.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 19, 2019, 05:58:16 PM
yes, they are
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 19, 2019, 11:04:01 PM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/ULlYHjfRijvGM/giphy.gif)
Just seeing if the click-and-drag works....
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 19, 2019, 11:22:12 PM
seems to work
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 20, 2019, 12:56:57 PM
Some of the lower cost wines over here are pretty good, though my nose is not working so well, so mebbe that's it.

Last night here, then one night at airport hotel, and early flight back.  Not coughing as much now.  Drove into town for a bit, most everything closed on Monday.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 20, 2019, 01:36:09 PM
Jersey countdown from #99 this summer?

Getting close
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on May 20, 2019, 09:09:51 PM
One of them was Fro, but who was that bald guy? 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: GopherRock on May 20, 2019, 11:12:21 PM
I took the afternoon off work and went over to Jane Sage Cowles Stadium to watch the Gopher softball team play in the regional final. After genuinely rotten weather all weekend, nothing but brilliant sunshine today. They dispatched Georgia and advance to the Super Regionals.

I also wasn't used to the Battle Hymn of the Republic used as a fight song. Usually that's played by the Gopher band after the Gophers have swept a hockey series.  I find it odd that multiple universities in the deep Confederacy use a bluebelly rally cry as their fight song. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 21, 2019, 12:31:11 AM
I took the afternoon off work and went over to Jane Sage Cowles Stadium to watch the Gopher softball team play in the regional final. After genuinely rotten weather all weekend, nothing but brilliant sunshine today. They dispatched Georgia and advance to the Super Regionals.

I also wasn't used to the Battle Hymn of the Republic used as a fight song. Usually that's played by the Gopher band after the Gophers have swept a hockey series.  I find it odd that multiple universities in the deep Confederacy use a bluebelly rally cry as their fight song.
Well, nothing about UGA is original, and it borrows from the north.  G on the helmet - Green Bay's.  Bulldog mascot - Yale's.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: fezzador on May 21, 2019, 08:53:17 AM
Well, nothing about UGA is original, and it borrows from the north.  G on the helmet - Green Bay's.  Bulldog mascot - Yale's. 
And Athens is a city in Greece :)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 21, 2019, 09:56:51 AM
UGA was around before the Packers and that music, but not Athens, Greece.

REM.  Wide Spread distress.  B52s.  The US Constitution.  Etc.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on May 21, 2019, 10:00:44 AM
OU took the tune of its fight song from Yale, so it turns out land isn't the only thing they steal. :)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 21, 2019, 10:02:12 AM
A good fight song is good.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 21, 2019, 10:47:30 AM
Shirley having hedges around your field is singular, no?  And an east west orientation?

And the red and black, no?  Did I mention Herschel Walker?

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on May 21, 2019, 12:08:58 PM
I was talking about this with a realtor.   Virtually nothing is original.  Much of life's ideas and work product is inspired by others.  Home design is another.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on May 21, 2019, 12:48:43 PM
OU took the tune of its fight song from Yale, so it turns out land isn't the only thing they steal. :)
Only part of it is from Yale.  The other part is from North Carolina.
Neither part is stolen from "I've Been Workin' on the Railroad," though.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 21, 2019, 12:50:23 PM
 Did I mention Herschel Walker?


or Sir Francis Tarkenton?  He played high school football in Athens and kicked the crap outta the GB Packers
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on May 21, 2019, 12:55:57 PM
Shirley having hedges around your field is singular, no?  And an east west orientation?

And the red and black, no?  Did I mention Herschel Walker?
I didn't know about Sanford Stadium's E-W orientation, but it's not singular.
Boone Pickens Stadium in Stillwater, Oklahoma, is so oriented.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on May 21, 2019, 01:17:18 PM
Shirley having hedges around your field is singular, no?  And an east west orientation?


Are most CFB Stadiums aligned N-S?Never noticed,Is it a big deal?I know the field at Old Cleveland Stadium was E-W alignment,not sure about the newer one
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 21, 2019, 01:21:19 PM
Memorial in Lincoln is north-south
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on May 21, 2019, 02:05:02 PM
Are most CFB Stadiums aligned N-S?Never noticed,Is it a big deal?I know the field at Old Cleveland Stadium was E-W alignment,not sure about the newer one

Yes, almost exclusively N-S.  Otherwise the sun could become a major factor, rising or setting in one endzone and not the other.

(and yes I know football games aren't typically played at sunrise, but it could still be a factor in 11 AM games, especially later in the season)  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on May 21, 2019, 02:06:53 PM
Only part of it is from Yale.  The other part is from North Carolina.
Neither part is stolen from "I've Been Workin' on the Railroad," though.
ZING!
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 21, 2019, 02:32:52 PM
EW is unusual, but neither unique nor original, nor is hedges.

Whatever.  Our originality, which is over rated anyway, is in our ability to adapt, persevere, and overcome, unless playing Bama.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Riffraft on May 21, 2019, 02:37:09 PM
Yes, almost exclusively N-S.  Otherwise the sun could become a major factor, rising or setting in one endzone and not the other.

(and yes I know football games aren't typically played at sunrise, but it could still be a factor in 11 AM games, especially later in the season) 
And it is a killer for us, football officials when you work the sideline that is starting directly in the sun. you pull your hat down low and don't look up to high and just endure until the sun goes down behind the stands. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 21, 2019, 02:40:49 PM
VERY strange commercial just on for Special K.

Now one for Coke.  Now Croustibat fish sticks.  Now Superwoman.

Commercials are all 15 seconds.

Now Amazon, seriously.  Delivery free.

Now green bean baby food, Bio.

Now for Opel.  Which once was GM.  Not very popular, seeing more Kia's around.

Now a Renault Twingo.

San Pelligigrino, very popular.

Back to the news.  Weather still cool, some soccer burfle.  Some dude with man bun cleaning out a trash can.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on May 21, 2019, 04:15:25 PM
And it is a killer for us, football officials when you work the sideline that is starting directly in the sun. you pull your hat down low and don't look up to high and just endure until the sun goes down behind the stands.
Well sure.  The fans, in the stands, are in the same boat. Only, being up higher, the sun doesn't dip behind the west-side stands as quickly.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 21, 2019, 04:48:32 PM
that's why ya smear some ashes or black grease under yer eyes
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on May 21, 2019, 06:47:42 PM
LSU stadium is more NW-SE which makes total sense since they love wearing white at home, marking 5yard line numerals and playing at night as much as possible. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on May 21, 2019, 07:05:25 PM
that's why ya smear some ashes or black grease under yer eyes
Or in the 'Skers case to hide all the black eyes ;D
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 21, 2019, 08:14:49 PM
I don't suppose you will "sack up" and travel to Lincoln this season to see them fer yerself???
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 21, 2019, 09:07:52 PM
Big Ten Tournament

TD Ameritrade Park • Omaha, Neb.

Wednesday, May 22 • 9 p.m. (CT)

#5 Nebraska (28-20, 15-9 Big Ten) vs. #4 Minnesota (26-25, 15-9 Big Ten)
Matt Waldron (5-3) vs. Patrick Fredrickson (2-3) 


Other First Round Games
Wednesday, May 22 • 9 a.m. (CT)
#3 Illinois vs. #6 Maryland


Wednesday, May 22 • 1 p.m. (CT)
#2 Michigan vs. #7 Ohio State


Wednesday, May 22 • 5 p.m. (CT)
#1 Indiana vs. #8 Iowa


The Nebraska baseball team (28-20, 15-9 Big Ten) travels to Omaha this week for the Big Ten Tournament at TD Ameritrade Park.

The Huskers, who earned the No. 5 seed in the tournament after tying for third in the final regular-season standings, open the tournament against No. 4 seed Minnesota (26-25, 15-9 Big Ten) on Wednesday at 9 p.m. (CT). Every game of the eight-team, double elimination Big Ten Tournament will be televised on the Big Ten Network.
Nebraska is making its seventh Big Ten Tournament appearance in eight years since joining the conference before the 2012 season. The Huskers have taken runner-up honors twice, falling in the championship game to Indiana in 2013 in Minneapolis and 2014 in Omaha. The only season Nebraska didn’t qualify for the Big Ten Tournament was in 2018.

TD Ameritrade Park will host the Big Ten Tournament for the fourth time in 2019 after previously serving as the venue for the event in 2014, 2016 and 2018. The Big Ten Tournament will return to TD Ameritrade Park from 2020 to 2022.


Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on May 22, 2019, 01:22:15 AM
ZING!
In the words of Chris Matthews, I thought you'd get a thrill up your leg with that!
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Hawkinole on May 22, 2019, 01:59:13 AM
Are most CFB Stadiums aligned N-S?Never noticed,Is it a big deal?I know the field at Old Cleveland Stadium was E-W alignment,not sure about the newer one
Kinnick is N-S. My old high school stadium is N-S. The high school stadium in our little 5,000 population town is N-S. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Hawkinole on May 22, 2019, 02:02:38 AM
As long as we are talking about orientation (geographical, that is). MLB rule 1.04 "THE PLAYING FIELD: It is desirable that the line from home base through the pitchers plate to second base shall run East Northeast."

This shows a graphic of AL parks. The rule is largely, but not entirely ignored by modern architects. http://www.baseball-almanac.com/stadium/ballpark_NSEW_AL.shtml (http://www.baseball-almanac.com/stadium/ballpark_NSEW_AL.shtml) Here is an even better graphic:

(https://www.cfb51.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hardballtimes.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F07%2FBallParkOrientation2.jpg&hash=20f3ad9bd67c3899421bbee97745d4d1) (http://www.hardballtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/BallParkOrientation2.jpg)
https://tht.fangraphs.com/lost-in-the-sun-the-physics-of-ballpark-orientation/ (https://tht.fangraphs.com/lost-in-the-sun-the-physics-of-ballpark-orientation/) The only MLB Parks pointing the slightest bit into the westerly trade winds have optional roofing to prevent that from happening.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: GopherRock on May 22, 2019, 10:28:42 AM
The New Brickhouse in Minneapolis is E-W. Our seats are in the shade of the clubhouse for 11 AM games in September. It's nice early but not nice later on when it's chilly. 

Starting this fall, the Gophers will have the option of using the north sideline for their bench in late-season games. The Vikings were over there during their stay. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 22, 2019, 11:08:59 AM
Starting this fall, the Gophers will have the option of using the north sideline for their bench in late-season games.
that won't seem right
but, it's just odd enuff for PJ Barnum
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 22, 2019, 02:49:31 PM
Back home finally, hope to post some pics along the way.  They are on the Nikon.  I took my longer lens and used it never, again.

Used Lyft to get home and the first driver went to the Departures level at ATL Int Terminal.  Duh.  Then he called me and I said I was at the lower Arrivals level, and he then drove around to the Domestic terminal on the far side of the airport.  Another driver was a minute away, zoom.

We got into ATL almost an hour ahead of schedule, was in a 777, which is a nice plane I think.  Delta has something new similar to business class, ahead of Comfort where we were.  Premium Select I think it is called.  Seats and food nicer, not as pricey as Delta One, which is ridiculous.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on May 22, 2019, 04:17:05 PM
I don't suppose you will "sack up" and travel to Lincoln this season to see them fer yerself???
I would need a "sack"  C-Notes,long story......the mrs......But if i can ferret enough away the friendly confines of memorial seem beckoning.Unless of course there is a 'Skers resurrgence and I bump into the Husker Prick Squad Part Deux
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 22, 2019, 04:36:55 PM
I would like to see a Nebraska home game some time.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on May 23, 2019, 08:53:09 AM
I regret never having gone up to see Texas play them.  All of my friends that did had nothing but great reports.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 23, 2019, 10:21:58 AM
I would need a "sack"  C-Notes,long story......the mrs......But if i can ferret enough away the friendly confines of memorial seem beckoning.Unless of course there is a 'Skers resurrgence and I bump into the Husker Prick Squad Part Deux
where there's a will, there's a way

yall are always welcome, includes Cincy and even Utee
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 23, 2019, 12:53:00 PM
The NFL has asked teams to eliminate some high-impact drills -- including the iconic Oklahoma drill -- from training camp practices as part of the league's ongoing effort to reduce concussions.

The league acknowledged the request Tuesday during its spring meeting in Key Biscayne, Florida. The recommendation came in response to data that showed a high rate of concussions during the early part of training camp in recent years. The league convened an April 17 meeting among current and former NFL players, coaches and executives to discuss ways that would address the issue.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on May 23, 2019, 01:54:13 PM
The NFL has asked teams to eliminate some high-impact drills -- including the iconic Oklahoma drill -- from training camp practices as part of the league's ongoing effort to reduce concussions.

The league acknowledged the request Tuesday during its spring meeting in Key Biscayne, Florida. The recommendation came in response to data that showed a high rate of concussions during the early part of training camp in recent years. The league convened an April 17 meeting among current and former NFL players, coaches and executives to discuss ways that would address the issue.

Not that I specifically disagree with it, but as much as the in game rule changes, the increasing limit on padded contact practice is hurting the running game.  Run blocking is complex, and without the padded practices, it's tough, particularly out of the gate.  Pass blocking is hard, but it's not complicated beyond the QB calling out protection audibles.  And you can do that without contact.  You have practices that are glorified 7 on 7s, you wind up with football that sort of looks like that.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 24, 2019, 04:03:57 PM

View from the north coast of Brittany near Morlaix

(https://i.imgur.com/fvkvRRE.jpg)

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 24, 2019, 04:07:16 PM
Not that I specifically disagree with it, but as much as the in game rule changes, the increasing limit on padded contact practice is hurting the running game.  Run blocking is complex, and without the padded practices, it's tough, particularly out of the gate.  Pass blocking is hard, but it's not complicated beyond the QB calling out protection audibles.  And you can do that without contact.  You have practices that are glorified 7 on 7s, you wind up with football that sort of looks like that.
This is what I envision Texas HS football to be now.
I loved doing the Oklahoma drill - as a short lineman, I always had leverage and wasn't going backwards, lol.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 24, 2019, 04:08:06 PM
A park in southern Brittany we visited, it was spectacular:

(https://i.imgur.com/NpI5m55.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/yzoF05Q.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/xN2WlFd.jpg)

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 24, 2019, 04:09:57 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/GtPrkOE.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/zngkbbx.jpg)

Near Concarneau, souther Brittany, Finisterre.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 24, 2019, 04:12:43 PM
The Bretons have an interesting history, and at times have sought independence from France.  Some still speak Breton, a Celtic language related to Welsh and Irish, which makes sense as they largely immigrated from those two places.  They are in effect displaced Britons, the Celts in England before the Romans, the Saxons, the Danes, and the Normans.  German fortifications are still around in places, I did not see the massive sub pens this trip.  Brest was almost destroyed in the war and is not very interesting, we were told, today.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Mdot21 on May 25, 2019, 10:32:20 AM
any Game of Thrones fans? My god did they ruin the greatest show ever with a mediocre 7th season and an abomination of a final 8th season. Pretty remarkable that they could take maybe the greatest show ever and completely ruin it in 2 seasons. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MaximumSam on May 25, 2019, 11:39:08 AM
any Game of Thrones fans? My god did they ruin the greatest show ever with a mediocre 7th season and an abomination of a final 8th season. Pretty remarkable that they could take maybe the greatest show ever and completely ruin it in 2 seasons.
I was an original, having been a huge fan of the books way before the show was even contemplated.  I thought there was no chance they could do a show based on the books, so I give them a lot of props about it.  But I'm not sure how they ever thought two shortened seasons would work given all the plot they had to get through, and they didn't.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Mdot21 on May 25, 2019, 12:36:14 PM
I was an original, having been a huge fan of the books way before the show was even contemplated.  I thought there was no chance they could do a show based on the books, so I give them a lot of props about it.  But I'm not sure how they ever thought two shortened seasons would work given all the plot they had to get through, and they didn't.
These show runners are the same writers that brought us godawful movies like Troy and X-Men Origins: Wolverine. Not sure why or how George RR Martin didn't background check them before he went ahead and gave them the green light. The show was incredible when all these jackoffs had to do was adapt the source material for television. Seasons 6,7, and 8 was all their baby. Season 6 was pretty meh with the exception of a couple episodes. Season 7 was very mediocre verging on bad, and Season 8 was a complete abortion.

Pretty obvious these guys were hacks to begin with if you look at some of the other crap they've written, and pretty obvious they checked out completely in order to start on the new Star Wars series of films and get that ridiculous Disney money.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Mdot21 on May 25, 2019, 03:58:29 PM
The GoT SPOILER ALERTS....

Don’t read beyond this point if you live under a rock and are one of the 5 people in the world who doesn’t watch the show and hasn’t seen the final season.

The season sucked ass because it was rushed number one and secondly because it spent years laying down all these little clues and foreshadowing moments thinking there’d be a payoff down the line but there was absolutely nothing and none of it meant jackshit.

The entire story to me was always about Dany and Jon. And it would’ve been a WAY better ending had they not rushed Dany into becoming the Mad Queen in the course of 1 episode. They needed more time to build up to that end game. And these show running idiots wasted SO much gd screen time on useless characters like Missandei and Grey Worm. Completely useless characters quite honestly. They also turn Tyrion- the smartest guy in the world- into a complete moron in the span of about 8 episodes. None of it makes any sense whatsoever. It’s like these show runners just made shit up on the fly and a swithched things up at will just to subvert the expectations of the audience all bc they wanted to shock people with their “amazing” writing. Except none of it makes any god damn sense and it’s just really truly terrible writing that defies any logic.

They also ruined Jon’s character. Just made him a complete and utter useless moron. Him coming back from the dead and being revealed as the true heir to the throne and a secret Targaryen meant absolutely nothing in the end. Just completely ruined the character. He was suppose to be the one to kill the night king, as these idiot writers changed it to Arya just because no one would expect that- this is by their own admission- they actually said this shit in one of the behind the episodes things. Also: these guys suck because they make so much crap happen off screen. Like wtf is the point of that?

What should’ve happened in the finale:

Jon takes out Dany in front of grey worm and his soldiers. As she’s dying she tells him she’s pregnant with his child. The dickless waste of space Grey Worm and his unsullied army try to kill Jon, but he’s a secret Targaryen and can control dragons so he hops on Drogon and kills Grey Worm and the unsullied he has with him. They bow down before Jon and it’s revealed he’s the king. Jon has to sacrifice the woman he loves and his unborn child in order to save the realm and take a crown he’s the true heir to but never wanted reluctantly because it’s his duty. The end. Jon going north to the wall to be with ghost and Tormund is what he wants, he doesn’t want to be lord commander, he doesn’t want to be king in the north, he doesn’t want to be king of the 7 kingdoms. He is those things because he has to be. He doesn’t want any of it. 

Edit: oh yeah, Arya and the hound should’ve intercepted Jaime leaving. Arya should’ve killed him, taken his face and murdered Cersei as Jamie- thus fulfilling that Valanqor prophecy and giving Cersei the death she deserved.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 25, 2019, 06:16:33 PM


What should’ve happened in the finale:

Jon takes out Dany in front of grey worm and his soldiers. As she’s dying she tells him she’s pregnant with his child. The dickless waste of space Grey Worm and his unsullied army try to kill Jon, but he’s a secret Targaryen and can control dragons so he hops on Drogon and kills Grey Worm and the unsullied he has with him. They bow down before Jon and it’s revealed he’s the king. Jon has to sacrifice the woman he loves and his unborn child in order to save the realm and take a crown he’s the true heir to but never wanted reluctantly because it’s his duty. The end. Jon going north to the wall to be with ghost and Tormund is what he wants, he doesn’t want to be lord commander, he doesn’t want to be king in the north, he doesn’t want to be king of the 7 kingdoms. He is those things because he has to be. He doesn’t want any of it.

Edit: oh yeah, Arya and the hound should’ve intercepted Jaime leaving. Arya should’ve killed him, taken his face and murdered Cersei as Jamie- thus fulfilling that Valanqor prophecy and giving Cersei the death she deserved.
Okay, so take this, add it to the 100 million other people with their version of how it should have ended, and then create an ending that would make them all happy.

Good luck.  You know nothing, MDot21.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Mdot21 on May 26, 2019, 12:31:53 AM
Okay, so take this, add it to the 100 million other people with their version of how it should have ended, and then create an ending that would make them all happy.

Good luck.  You know nothing, MDot21.
Yeah, or how about just any ending that just makes any sense whatsoever. Is that so hard to ask for. I think not.

For fook sake I’d rather have the show just pull a sopranos and fade to black after Jon offed his girlfriend/aunt.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 26, 2019, 01:45:59 AM
I just find it odd that people tend to ignore the 8 years of quality product just to bitch about the last episode.  Or if the last season wasn't good or whatever...well, it wasn't so bad that you stopped watching, lol.


Herd mentality, I guess.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MaximumSam on May 26, 2019, 09:00:02 AM
Heh well the people ain't wrong.  GOT was good because of its extremely strong characters and plot.  The last couple seasons traded that in for melodrama.  It wasn't so much that the ending was "wrong" as much as it was about having the characters change to serve the plot.  Still, at least there was an ending, and not a super weird ending like in some other shows.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 26, 2019, 11:43:55 AM
I liked GoT for probably 4-5 seasons and then felt it trailed off, and I did as well.  There is plenty else to watch with my limited time.

I like the Bosch series.  I've taken to reading the books which I think are quite good.

And we own a Bosch stove, so there is that.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on May 26, 2019, 03:19:36 PM
My Bosch water heater crapped out after 12 years.I was an advocate of Tankless Water heaters over tanks as on average after the 5 yr mark they pay for themselves.Now I'm not so sure,had some repairmen stop and check different components.Seems the new units have more components,bells & whistles than even the units of 10 yrs ago.On avg it seems that the two best Navien(Korean) & Rinnai(japanese) have a 15-20% component failures at the 10 yr mark.These expenses can easily supersede the price of a tank.So even if you save natural gas you are not saving money over all.Just another example of corporate greed gouging for parts that cost them next to nothing to make

:sign0065:
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 26, 2019, 06:43:35 PM
I'm an electric tank guy

not a perfect scenario but  I'm not sure there's a better plan
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on May 27, 2019, 08:04:54 AM
I'm an electric tank guy not a perfect scenario but  I'm not sure there's a better plan
Really?We use to have one out at the family cottage on the lake.Is NG real expensive out there in God's Country?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 27, 2019, 08:26:28 AM
NG isn't expensive today

30 years ago when I bought this place many neighbors in the small town had propane tanks in the yard, no NG service.

The house was around 6 years old and had all electric appliances.  Electric rates have been reasonable so no need to change

NG/propane has fluctuated over the years, electric has stayed stable
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on May 27, 2019, 09:25:37 AM
Good for you guys our utilities have skyrocketed.Many people bought all electric houses with supposed locked in low rates if they did so.Recently - last 5 years or so - the Power Company has or will renege on those one time guarantees - absolutely criminal
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 27, 2019, 09:51:39 AM
I purchase power from Warren Buffet
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on May 27, 2019, 10:21:59 AM
I purchase my newspaper from Warren Buffett.

I can't say that I like what I'm getting.  Or the "service" that gets it to me.

Back when I was a paperboy . . . .
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 27, 2019, 11:15:55 AM
I learn everything important here from you smart fellas

no need for a "paper"
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 27, 2019, 11:16:35 AM
I learn everything important here from you smart fellas
My condolences. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 27, 2019, 11:19:03 AM
everything is relative

I'm better off

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 27, 2019, 11:20:19 AM
headed to the bar for a bloody, then to the golf course for the 3rd straight day

FORE!!!
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on May 27, 2019, 03:10:10 PM
I learn everything important here from you smart fellas
Ignorance is bliss as they say
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 27, 2019, 07:06:45 PM
true
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 29, 2019, 03:49:43 PM
I'm going to have to have a chat with my neighbors about their pest-control fetish. It seems like they must be using 10 or 20 different pest control companies at one time!

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 29, 2019, 04:13:37 PM
no dogs or cats?

my daughter's dog keeps me from using various means for killing varmints
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 29, 2019, 05:21:51 PM
no dogs or cats?

my daughter's dog keeps me from using various means for killing varmints
I doubt they even have a pest problem.

But every pest control salesman from every company that comes to my door selling pest control services says they work with my neighbor*, so I wonder what they're up to. How can they need that much pest control service?

(*These salesmen typically point to every house across the street in sight too... Did I move into an entire neighborhood of pest control fetish freaks?)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 29, 2019, 05:23:13 PM
are you not familiar with sales people?

sometimes they don't tell the entire truth
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 29, 2019, 06:57:14 PM
Sales people are not allowed to lie or even deceive, I read that somewhere.

Facebook maybe.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MichiFan87 on May 29, 2019, 09:55:19 PM
Good for you guys our utilities have skyrocketed.Many people bought all electric houses with supposed locked in low rates if they did so.Recently - last 5 years or so - the Power Company has or will renege on those one time guarantees - absolutely criminal

If I'm not mistaken, you live in Ohio (which is deregulated) so you can choose your supplier as opposed to First Energy, AEP, Dayton, or whichever electric utility you have. Here's the website: http://www.energychoice.ohio.gov/. T (http://www.energychoice.ohio.gov/)X, IL, and most of the Northeast (except VT) is the same way.

For consumers, electricity prices are less volatile, but that's not the case in the wholesale market (partly due to natural gas price volatility of course), which is averaged out over the course of the year to determine what consumers' flat rates should be. Some utilities offer time-of-use rates now, though, in which the prices vary by the time of day.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on May 29, 2019, 10:10:12 PM
Sales people are not allowed to lie or even deceive, I read that somewhere.

Facebook maybe.

"A salesman may not lie, steal, or cheat-- nor tolerate those that do."

-Abraham Lincoln
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 30, 2019, 09:15:34 AM
My electric bill now if paltry, probably $100 a month, which is a third of what it was in Ohio, but in large part because of the surface area thing and that hot water is included in the HOA.  The hot water even feeds our heat pumps, as I understand it, so the heat pump does little more than run the fan.  We have a lot of window surface area, but only on two sides.

Georgia Power is building two more nukes and I expect that will/has bump my rates at some point.  I think I'm paying about 5 cents per now.

The nukes nearly got shut down half built, but they muddled through apparently.  I'm not sure who ran the economics on them.  I keep hearing that wind and solar are way cheaper, as is NG.  

Our HOA is fairly steep, almost $900, but when I look at what I was paying to own the house, cable and internet, utilities, painting, etc., it is about break even, maybe better.  And we have a pool and gym and 24/7 front desk and underground parking etc.  At one condo nearby, the residents have to pay $160 per parking space in addition to their HOA, per month.  Ouch.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 30, 2019, 06:38:35 PM
Our electric here in CA is $0.18/kwh baseline, but we get just barely into the second tier at $0.24/kwh. 

Generally we keep the electric bill down except for that rough bit right around August, where we need to hit the A/C from time to time. Even at those rates it's typically $60-100/month as long as we don't use A/C. The entire rest of the year it's bearable enough [on the hot end] and actually not cold enough on the cold end that we have to run the heater during the winter. Which is nice because my NG bill is typically about $20/mo. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on May 30, 2019, 06:51:15 PM
 Which is nice because my NG bill is typically about $20/mo.
you avg monthly NG bill is 20 bucks?In Cali?  - do you spend half the time in a pop up.Dayum,we have a delivery charge of $28  every month - the nice guys at the Public Utility Commission OK'd 3 yrs back.I'd whack some one if I thought I could get away with it.NG execs should be stripped - have their wrists/ankles duct taped and dropped on a hill of red ants
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 30, 2019, 07:02:23 PM
you avg monthly NG bill is 20 bucks?In Cali?  - do you spend half the time in a pop up.Dayum,we have a delivery charge of $28  every month - the nice guys at the Public Utility Commission OK'd 3 yrs back.I'd whack some one if I thought I could get away with it.NG execs should be stripped - have their wrists/ankles duct taped and dropped on a hill of red ants
Actually, 2 months ago we got some sort of rebate and our bill was negative for one month, and $1.50 the next month. I didn't mind that! ;-) 

But yeah, it's about $20/mo. The only thing running off NG in our house is the water heater, the stove, the dryer, and the furnace. Right now the furnace isn't working (I think it's just the pilot but it never gets cold enough for me to move everything in the way of the furnace and try to re-light it), so there's not much use for gas. 

Now, our water bill is $50/month and we never even use the sprinkler system. That's where they get you in SoCal. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Hawkinole on May 30, 2019, 11:46:31 PM

Now, our water bill is $50/month and we never even use the sprinkler system. That's where they get you in SoCal.
My water is $18.53, but it arrives in a combined bill that includes things I don't even know what all of them are, such as sewerage, garbage removal, recycling, compost site, and landfill charge. Altogether this month is $69.14.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Hawkinole on May 30, 2019, 11:57:24 PM
Our electric here in CA is $0.18/kwh baseline, but we get just barely into the second tier at $0.24/kwh.

Generally we keep the electric bill down except for that rough bit right around August, where we need to hit the A/C from time to time. Even at those rates it's typically $60-100/month as long as we don't use A/C. The entire rest of the year it's bearable enough [on the hot end] and actually not cold enough on the cold end that we have to run the heater during the winter. Which is nice because my NG bill is typically about $20/mo.
My cost is $89 - $160, or so, with a requested hike by Alliant Utilities of 17+%. We have allergies and run the A/C quite a bit.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MichiFan87 on May 31, 2019, 12:27:43 AM
I think we discussed this in the environment thread, but Georgia is building the last nuclear plant in the country, despite significant cost overruns, while other recent nuclear projects (most infamously in South Carolina) have been abandoned. That's the unfortunate consequence of being in a regulated utility, though.

Iowa and most of the Midwest is at least part of the MISO wholesale market (Ohio, metro Chicago, and some areas in between are part of PJM, which is similar), either of which help keep generation costs lower than they would be otherwise. Of course, the amount of wind generation helps, too.

California has it's own market, but generation costs are higher due high demand and the cost of importing natural gas for generation (as mentioned above, there isn't much need for heating in CA, though). As renewables continue to dominate, electricity prices will decline, though..... Furthermore, California's wholesale market could expand into other western states. It kind of already has in a way, but I don't fully understand it, so I won't try to explain it here.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 31, 2019, 07:18:57 AM
The nuclear plant in GA already exists with two power reactors.  They are constructing two more at the same site.

The main problem was the primary contractor went belly up, as I recall, and Southern and partners had to scramble to fill back in, along with cost overruns.  Last I read, it has been proceeding ahead of schedule since that event, but that could be spin.  The renewable term doesn't get much play down here that I have noticed.

I noticed quite a few wind turbines in France on this trip, but I had not been in that part of the country before.  Brittany has a 1000 foot ridge running down the length that should be good for wind power.  There looked modern and new from a distance.  Of course, France has a large nuclear infrastructure they don't appear to be diminishing.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 31, 2019, 11:55:20 AM
(https://i.imgflip.com/32cata.jpg)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 31, 2019, 01:10:41 PM
The nuclear plant in GA already exists with two power reactors.  They are constructing two more at the same site.


this site probably 100+ miles from anywhere?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 31, 2019, 01:48:19 PM
this site probably 100+ miles from anywhere?
Vogtle, it's near Augusta, GA (30 miles south of).

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Alvin+W.+Vogtle+Electric+Generating+Plant/@33.1430634,-82.7057858,8.88z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x88f9965753cde4fd:0x1f30e36ea47c9832!8m2!3d33.1306224!4d-81.7713527?hl=en

 (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Alvin+W.+Vogtle+Electric+Generating+Plant/@33.1430634,-82.7057858,8.88z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x88f9965753cde4fd:0x1f30e36ea47c9832!8m2!3d33.1306224!4d-81.7713527?hl=en)Augusta is sort of somewhere.  They have a golf tournament each year.  And a Medical School.

They already have two power reactors and are building two more, projected completion in 2021 and 2022.  It will then be the largest nuclear power station in the country.

https://www.southerncompany.com/innovation/nuclear-energy/plant-vogtle-3-and-4.html

 (https://www.southerncompany.com/innovation/nuclear-energy/plant-vogtle-3-and-4.html)



[th]Units operational[/th]
1 × 1150 MW
1 × 1152 MW
[th]Make and model[/th]
2 × WH (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westinghouse_Electric_Company) 4-loop (DRYAMB)
[th][/th]
[th]Units under const.[/th]
2 × 1117 MW AP1000 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AP1000)
[th]Nameplate capacity (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nameplate_capacity)[/th]
2302 MW (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megawatt)
[th]Capacity factor (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacity_factor)[/th]
95.09% (2017)
91.25% (lifetime)
[th]Annual net output (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_generation)[/th]
19,176 GWh (2017)


Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 31, 2019, 01:56:35 PM
In France, there are "pharmacies" everywhere, all marked with a green cross.  And, they are all small and mostly seem to sell "junk", stuff to make you look younger and feel better, silly homeopathic garbage.

I've looked in vain for Pepto Bismol, they don't carry it, nor do they carry Nyquil, though they have Vick's products, one had only guafensin, the Nyquil here has that and two other adjuvants.  They seem to do a bang up business, but give me a Walgreens or CVS any day.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 31, 2019, 01:57:47 PM
Purdue just scheduled a game against FAU for 2022...

Who has higher odds of not being with their current team at that time, Brohm or Kiffin?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 31, 2019, 02:05:23 PM
Kiffin.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 31, 2019, 02:09:17 PM
In France, there are "pharmacies" everywhere, all marked with a green cross.  And, they are all small and mostly seem to sell "junk", stuff to make you look younger and feel better, silly homeopathic garbage.

I've looked in vain for Pepto Bismol, they don't carry it, nor do they carry Nyquil, though they have Vick's products, one had only guafensin, the Nyquil here has that and two other adjuvants.  They seem to do a bang up business, but give me a Walgreens or CVS any day.
In Rome, after a bunch of travel in airplanes with very dry air, I was looking for Chap Stick. It was the day leaving Rome for the Cinque Terre, so I was in the train station...

With the language barrier [they don't carry the Chap Stick brand I guess] and with some pantomime, they eventually realized I was asking for lip balm and not lipstick and gave me a tube of something called LaBello if I remember correctly... Got the job done. 

Always interesting to see which brands carry over and which don't.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on May 31, 2019, 02:09:59 PM
I'm actually going to say Brohm.  I think by turning down Louisville, he signaled he wants to get to the NFL, and Purdue is a better path there.  I think he'll be in the pros in 2021 or 2022.  Just a hunch.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 31, 2019, 03:41:36 PM
In Rome, after a bunch of travel in airplanes with very dry air, I was looking for Chap Stick. It was the day leaving Rome for the Cinque Terre, so I was in the train station...

With the language barrier [they don't carry the Chap Stick brand I guess] and with some pantomime, they eventually realized I was asking for lip balm and not lipstick and gave me a tube of something called LaBello if I remember correctly... Got the job done.

Always interesting to see which brands carry over and which don't.
I'm amazed at how little is available OTC in Italy. They are pretty strict over there. And then there's Mexico, where you can get just about anything.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on May 31, 2019, 03:46:48 PM
You can buy anything in Bratislava.

ANYTHING.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CatsbyAZ on May 31, 2019, 04:44:08 PM
You can buy anything in Bratislava.

ANYTHING.


I did did an undergrad study abroad in Bratislava. The most rundown of the 10 or so European Capitol cities I’ve visited. Our dorms were former Soviet soldiering quarters and even the other foreign students housed in the wing of my barracks/dorm from Poland and Romania were surprised how “rundown” Bratislava was. But I liked it - kept everything dirt cheap which I needed as a broke undergrad.

Speaking of buying things, picked up the Lindy’s College Football Annual, which is a big offseason ritual of mine around every June 1.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on May 31, 2019, 04:49:32 PM
Vogtle, it's near Augusta, GA (30 miles south of).

My former employer is now the general on this project. Bechtel, as a company, is still a big believer in a nuclear renaissance, but cost, security, and waste are big hurdles to clear when natural gas is so cheap and wind and solar are becoming more competitive. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on May 31, 2019, 05:30:19 PM
Bratislava is definitely run-down compared to even other Eastern European capitals.  It used to be dirt cheap, but like anything else, once the far western Euros and Americans "discovered" it, the prices skyrocketed.  Even so, it's still cheap compared to Prague, and incredibly cheap compared to cities in Austria, Switzerland, Germany, France, Italy, and Spain.

I may have mentioned this, but I'm pretty sure Prague is my single favorite city on the planet.  I adore that place.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on May 31, 2019, 05:34:26 PM
In related news,  think we're settling in on our Euro2020 itinerary, which sadly does not include Prague.  But right now we're planning on hitting Budapest, somewhere in Croatia (probably Split), Florence, and Rome. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 31, 2019, 06:41:10 PM
Vogtle, it's near Augusta, GA (30 miles south of).

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Alvin+W.+Vogtle+Electric+Generating+Plant/@33.1430634,-82.7057858,8.88z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x88f9965753cde4fd:0x1f30e36ea47c9832!8m2!3d33.1306224!4d-81.7713527?hl=en

 (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Alvin+W.+Vogtle+Electric+Generating+Plant/@33.1430634,-82.7057858,8.88z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x88f9965753cde4fd:0x1f30e36ea47c9832!8m2!3d33.1306224!4d-81.7713527?hl=en)Augusta is sort of somewhere.  They have a golf tournament each year.  And a Medical School.

They already have two power reactors and are building two more, projected completion in 2021 and 2022.  It will then be the largest nuclear power station in the country.

https://www.southerncompany.com/innovation/nuclear-energy/plant-vogtle-3-and-4.html

 (https://www.southerncompany.com/innovation/nuclear-energy/plant-vogtle-3-and-4.html)



Units operational


1 × 1150 MW
1 × 1152 MW
Make and model


2 × WH (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westinghouse_Electric_Company) 4-loop (DRYAMB)



Units under const.


2 × 1117 MW AP1000 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AP1000)
Nameplate capacity (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nameplate_capacity)


2302 MW (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megawatt)
Capacity factor (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacity_factor)


95.09% (2017)
91.25% (lifetime)
Annual net output (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_generation)


19,176 GWh (2017)









My dad was working at that site, but left after they expunged a bunch of people because they were behind schedule and over budget, among other things.
The problem is that there was a good 20-25 year dead period on nuclear power in the US, and so all you have qualified to pick up where they left off are some near-retirement age guys and newbies out of school with zero actual experience. 
So one company involved, Westinghouse, files for bankruptcy.  Then two other companies come in to resume, both of which retained my dad, until his portion of the job was done.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 01, 2019, 08:05:28 AM
These may be the last two nukes built in the US (for a long long time anyway).  I'd guess nuclear power from here is going to decrease rather quickly.

I watched a documentary about the fusion reactor being built in France as a test vessel, so to speak (ITER) and the story was far from positive and hopeful.  The countries can't seem to get along for one thing, and perhaps it's a step too far?

That has always been the Great Hope, but it seems never to get "here".
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 01, 2019, 02:49:37 PM
Planning on attempt #2 at french fries today.

Last Monday, the missus and I wanted to have a nice simple "at home" day to lounge around. She mentioned something about making french fries, and then I thought "hey I can do that, and I can bake my own hamburger buns, to go with the lamb I ground for burgers, because I can never do anything halfway!"

So the buns were a complete miss and I had to buy buns, but the first attempt at french fries worked. I used the mandolin to cut them to 1/4" fries (the largest the mandolin goes), and used the Joel Robuchon method to fry them. Then tossed them in salt, garlic, and oregano. There were some learning points--they came out a bit more brown than intended and that in turn made them shrink more like shoestring fries--but it was a good first attempt and they tasted good.

We've got the kids back this weekend, so we're going to do burgers tonight. Planning on cutting the potatoes by hand to shoot for somewhere between 3/8" and 1/2" fries, because I frankly like them a little bigger anyway. Still using the Robuchon method, but will try to pull them slightly earlier so they don't over-brown. Will omit the oregano because it's not "Greek" theme like last weekend. Using my burger grind (brisket point + chuck). Wife will caramelize some onions, I'll grill some corn, and she and the eldest are planning to make S'more monkey bread for dessert.

What do you fine folks have on the menu?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 01, 2019, 03:19:35 PM
I've got a commercial fryer at home but not up here at the harbor. Fries are a little tough to do here, but we manage. Just got a new grill and hooked it up. 700 degrees in 3 minutes. I'm going out to get some 2" ribeyes for later.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on June 01, 2019, 09:36:04 PM
I fried some 80/20 burgers in a skillet on my electric stove.  Some steak seasoning on the burgers and then fried them in some soy sauce.  Sharp cheddar melted on tops, med rare.

pared them with some coleslaw from the store

don't need the carbs from the fried taters
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 02, 2019, 05:54:38 AM
The secret to frying, I think, is to not overload the grease.  Putting too much stuff in at once cools off these greasy and makes the food greasy.  You need a lot of oil and not much stuff, whether it's chicken or taters.

The wife really likes good fried chicken (as do I).  This is a thing unknown in France aside from an occasional KFC.  I had a Big Mac this trip in France, we stopped on a toll road and McDs was the only real choice for a quick lunch.  It was expensive, the wife had a simple cheeseburger and I recall it was 2.80 euro.  The Big Mac had a lot of lettuce and about 2/3rds the beef we get here.  It was on a toll plaza, so maybe the prices were jumped some.  Obviously eating at McDs in France is not on my normal card, but they have quite a few of them.  

We used to go for breakfast in Cincy, but there isn't one near us here (walking distance) and the one we might drive to has some pretty awful reviews on line, if that matters at all.  I always chuckle over Trip Advisor ratings of chain places.

We tried lunch at a Taco Mac, which is a sports bar chain kind of place here.  It were entirely mediocre with slow service, but the wife counted over 60 TVs in the place and they had a lot of beers on tap.  I walked by the Cypress Bar that Badge has suggested yesterday but ended up trying the City Tap House which has a nice layout.  Had a pizza which was "OK".
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 02, 2019, 02:12:27 PM
The secret to frying, I think, is to not overload the grease.  Putting too much stuff in at once cools off these greasy and makes the food greasy.  You need a lot of oil and not much stuff, whether it's chicken or taters.
This was, IMHO, one advantage to the Robuchon method... You put the uncooked fries in room-temp oil, turn on the burner to low-medium to cook them through, then once they're tender you increase the heat to medium for ~30 minutes until they're nicely browned. Since you're not putting cold food into hot oil, you're not as worried that it'll cool down the oil. 

Only thing is that it didn't quite turn out this time. I think I overloaded the pot, and because we were in a hurry probably pulled them about 5 minutes too soon [last weekend I pulled them about 2-3 minutes too late so I wanted to avoid over-browning them]. The result was that they were fine, but not excellent. 

Need more practice. But that's ok... I have plenty of time lol.

I've been wanting to fry things for a while now, and I think now the wife is finally on board. She's got a poultry allergy, so I'm thinking of doing fried pork tenderloin in the method of fried chicken. That way she might get the "taste" of good fried chicken without actually using bird.

The burgers were superb, though. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 02, 2019, 09:47:57 PM
There should be exactly ONE problem with nuclear power, and it's the long-term question about spent fuel rods (radioactive 'stuff').  Personally, I think if we had a few groups that solely built and ran nuclear power stations and we had scheduled, unmanned launches of the waste materials into space, nuclear would power the world. 

Any and every bad nuclear 'event' is due to gross human error.  That fact that its gross makes it avoidable.  Also, is it wise to build on a fault line by an ocean?  Probably not.  But there are so many safeguards to avoid any type of serious meltdown that it's nearly impossible for it to happen.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on June 03, 2019, 12:57:18 AM
Up in Kohler WI this week.  Some brisk tee times in the morning.   Upper 40s.   Hoping no fog.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MichiFan87 on June 03, 2019, 01:29:24 AM
There should be exactly ONE problem with nuclear power, and it's the long-term question about spent fuel rods (radioactive 'stuff').  Personally, I think if we had a few groups that solely built and ran nuclear power stations and we had scheduled, unmanned launches of the waste materials into space, nuclear would power the world.

Any and every bad nuclear 'event' is due to gross human error.  That fact that its gross makes it avoidable.  Also, is it wise to build on a fault line by an ocean?  Probably not.  But there are so many safeguards to avoid any type of serious meltdown that it's nearly impossible for it to happen.


There are many other challenges with nuclear.

1. It's no longer cost-effective. Ohio is about to pass a bill to subsidize its nuclear plants (and coal plants, which makes no sense whatsoever). This is true of many existing plants and even moreso for new plants (again, the Georgia plant debacle being a prime example while all other new nuclear projects have already been canceled).

2. It's inflexible (ie. on or off). I used to think this was for technological reasons, but it's actually also due to economic reasons. Nuclear generation is only cost-effective when generating at its capacity whereas other sources of generation can operate more flexibly. With the rise of wind and solar generation (which can only be controlled through curtailment and combining it with energy storage), flexibility is increasingly important, since electricity supply & demand must be balanced at all times.

3. They take a long time to build. Even putting aside the other issues, nuclear plants take longer to build than any other type of generation. Furthermore, they also take a long time to decommission, too. Of course, few people want to live near them, too.

4. There is a shortage of nuclear engineers, and most of them are older. There aren't many people studying to become nuclear engineers, because people realize that there isn't a long-term future in it compared to other technologies.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 03, 2019, 04:50:11 AM
France reprocesses their nuclear waste, the US does not (executive order).  We could, but don't.  My take is nuclear today is not economic, but I see a lot of different "analyses" on this point.  It's good for providing baseline power.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 03, 2019, 10:04:23 AM
There are not a lot of people studying engineering, period, let alone nuclear. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on June 03, 2019, 12:24:55 PM
There are not a lot of people studying engineering, period, let alone nuclear.
You writing this makes me think I know too many engineers. Maybe it’s also the memory of the many pre-engineers when I was in school. That program was built to chew people up. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 03, 2019, 12:34:17 PM
There are "a lot" of people studying engineering, of course, just not as many as are needed, and perhaps not as many of quality and good English skills.  At GaTech, 61% of the undergrads receive an engineering degree, which is pretty good, and they graduate nearly 2100 a year from there and another 1146 with a Master's degree.

In 2018, Georgia Tech's College of Engineering rose to the #2 public engineering school in the country. 





Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 03, 2019, 12:51:03 PM
Kids today looking for a guaranteed job making really good money need to go into engineering.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 03, 2019, 12:57:58 PM
Yeah, but it is so HARD!!!!

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 03, 2019, 01:00:42 PM
Definitely not easy.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 03, 2019, 01:20:49 PM
Neither of mine wanted anything to do with STEM degrees, but they are both doing very well today anyway, which is a bit of a surprise to me.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 03, 2019, 01:32:05 PM
There are many examples of successful people outside of the STEM fields. My wife comes to mind.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on June 03, 2019, 02:31:27 PM
There are many examples of successful people outside of the STEM fields. My wife comes to mind.
For sure.  But you're the one that stated that kids wanting big money straight outta school, should consider engineering. ;)

And agree with Cincy's statement that while we're producing a good number of engineers, there's still a gap.  We're filling it with various immigrants and non-Americans.  I guess, much like house-cleaning and kitchen-work and ditch-digging, home-grown Americans just view engineering as being beneath them.:)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on June 03, 2019, 02:58:07 PM
For sure.  But you're the one that stated that kids wanting big money straight outta school, should consider engineering. ;)

And agree with Cincy's statement that while we're producing a good number of engineers, there's still a gap.  We're filling it with various immigrants and non-Americans.  I guess, much like house-cleaning and kitchen-work and ditch-digging, home-grown Americans just view engineering as being beneath them.:)
I think engineering has to a degree a slight ivory tower problem.

Granted Badge is trying to fix that. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on June 03, 2019, 07:39:14 PM
Big Ten announcing Delanys successor tomorrow.

https://twitter.com/ramzy/status/1135671251371012097?s=19
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MichiFan87 on June 04, 2019, 12:11:55 AM
I actually don't think there's a shortage of engineering jobs overall. Maybe my perspective is skewed on this, but a substantial number of people I've met who have engineering degrees either went directly into a different field, be it finance, healthcare, technology & software development, or some other lucrative career, but part of that is that it was apparently easier to get a job in those fields.

This exacerbates the fact that, unlike most careers, you basically have to get an engineering degree in college to even consider pursuing it as a career. I have a MS in Engineering Management but that's basically similar to an MBA with a more technical focus (courses like Project Management and Lean Six Sigma) so it doesn't qualify me for any kind of engineering role.

Conversely, in my world of clean energy, there are substantially more people with even less of a technical background than I have than there are engineers, even for analytical roles like I've had (though a decent number of jobs in this space are not technical, to be sure).
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Hawkinole on June 04, 2019, 01:05:05 AM
Big Ten will have a new commissioner in 2020. No real policy statement put out here. Kevin Warren, attorney, but not a practicing attorney. Seems like an accomplished guy. Minnesota Vikings chief operating officer Kevin Warren is expected to be introduced Tuesday as the next commissioner of the Big Ten Conference (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26890702/vikes-coo-big-ten-1st-black-commish)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 04, 2019, 05:53:37 AM
We hired a lot of engineers where I worked and indeed many/most of them quickly went into management, especially the females.  It was a faster path to "success".

This ironically led to an imbalance with far more men on the technical side of the ladder, one the company had no way to remedy.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 04, 2019, 06:52:58 AM
There is no shortage of engineering jobs.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 04, 2019, 06:54:21 AM
I imagine there is no shortage of jobs for expert Diesel mechanics either.

I wonder how much big crane operators make these days.  There are a lot of them around me.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 04, 2019, 07:04:58 AM
Heavy equipment operators make a good amount of coin. If they are in a year-round, right-to-work area, even better.

There are a lot of jobs out there right now, period. Need people to fill them all. I'm mostly interested in engineers though, selfishly, and I'm not at all interested $15/hour for HS kid jobs.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 04, 2019, 07:45:21 AM
One work site near me has 3 semi-permanent tall cranes working on what will be a 40 story block consuming complex.  They are still doing site prep but it's fun to stroll by and watch.  I think they just started for real on a 54 story condo project where the penthouse is a cool $12 Million.  The cheapest is $0.6 million.

Further south near that Cypress Bar place is an area referred to as Tech Square, as GT has moved across the freeway, and a huge amount of development is happening in the area.  Norfolk Southern moved its HQ here and is building a new place down there, they have a large building up near me now.

A 29 story apt building was just completed almost across the street from us, it was fun watching that one too.  They should put up some bleachers around these job sites where you can sit and watch and order beer.  The site prep part is quite interesting, they probably want folks to check out the soil and all that.  I bet soil engineers or whatever they are called make tens of millions a year.

Of course around here if you scratch the dirt much you run into granite for some reason.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: HailHailMSP on June 04, 2019, 08:07:36 AM
Big Ten will have a new commissioner in 2020. No real policy statement put out here. Kevin Warren, attorney, but not a practicing attorney. Seems like an accomplished guy. Minnesota Vikings chief operating officer Kevin Warren is expected to be introduced Tuesday as the next commissioner of the Big Ten Conference (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26890702/vikes-coo-big-ten-1st-black-commish)
A GREAT hire! I feel fortunate to have gotten to know Kevin pretty well over the last couple years, working on a couple of regional business relationships with him and the Vikings. He is a very cerebral workhorse who has nearly universal respect from all those that cross paths with him.

His journey to this point has been pretty amazing. His son is currently playing for an evil SEC school. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 04, 2019, 08:27:51 AM
The bar right next to us hangs a Michigan State flag fairly often, the Green S on white background, FYI.

(https://i.imgur.com/MOCxYRB.png)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on June 04, 2019, 08:47:38 AM
I actually don't think there's a shortage of engineering jobs overall. Maybe my perspective is skewed on this, but a substantial number of people I've met who have engineering degrees either went directly into a different field, be it finance, healthcare, technology & software development, or some other lucrative career, but part of that is that it was apparently easier to get a job in those fields.

This exacerbates the fact that, unlike most careers, you basically have to get an engineering degree in college to even consider pursuing it as a career. I have a MS in Engineering Management but that's basically similar to an MBA with a more technical focus (courses like Project Management and Lean Six Sigma) so it doesn't qualify me for any kind of engineering role.

Conversely, in my world of clean energy, there are substantially more people with even less of a technical background than I have than there are engineers, even for analytical roles like I've had (though a decent number of jobs in this space are not technical, to be sure).
badge and I are stating that there's actually a surplus of engineering jobs, at least domestically.  That's why so many companies are having to fill those gaps with foreign labor.  And because it's more difficult and more costly for companies to do that, with the additional political red tape, they'd much rather hire American citizens where possible.  But the labor simply isn't there.  This gap seems to be especially large in my electrical engineering world, in semiconductors, computer hardware, and other hard high tech industries.

I totally agree with you that lots of folks with engineering degrees move on to other things. I worked as an actual electrical engineer in the semiconductor industry for just under a decade, before going back for an MBA.  Now my recent jobs have all been in Operations, Marketing, and management.  So I'm one of those people.

Engineering in high tech can be a bit of a meat grinder.  Relatively long hours, often poor chances for advancement for individual contributors, so the only path for advancement (and consequently salary increase and prestige increase) becomes moving into management or tangentially related fields like product marketing.  Engineers with good interpersonal skills are somewhat rare and so excel in those roles, but that leaves holes in the labor force that aren't being filled with American citizens.

I was joking about engineering being undesirable, but honestly it seems like for more and more people that COULD do it, they'd really rather not to.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 04, 2019, 08:54:53 AM
Yeah, my experience was that management was "the way to go" for advancement and career "success".  It was much much tougher to climb the ladder on the technical side.

The majority of my bosses were "engineers", but they were really just managers, they could as well have had degrees in art history, seriously.  They just didn't care about anything remotely technical. 

I had one boss briefly who claimed to be a chemical engineer so he could understand my work, but he asked me the exact same question every time I met with him, "What is this DVB?  You keep saying DVB but what is it?"  He was Indian.  You need the accent.  He was a nice enough fellow, but he had no clue what DVB was.

I'd preferred the ones who didn't pretend to ask.

DVB, incidentally, id "divinyl benzene", a pretty common crosslinker in the polymer world.  My great innovation in my career was to figure out a substitute that worked and had useful other attributes.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on June 04, 2019, 11:39:39 AM
I've found that my technical background as a practicing engineer has helped me quite a bit when moving over to the product and marketing sides.

In new product development, for example, when I set up some new feature requirements based on my expectations for the market or actual customer requests, and the engineering team pushes back (which they ALWAYS do), I'm able to challenge them in an informed way.  Sometimes they have good reasons, other times they're simply being lazy.  I've done their job and I know the differences, because sometimes I was just lazy too.

Not really lazy, to be fair.  It tends to be a result of an engineering mindset that you know better than the customer, and so taking on new work is pointless.  When in reality, the customer wants what the customer wants.  It may or may not be deliverable in a timely or profitable manner for my own company, but pushing back simply for the sake of pushing back occurs pretty regularly.   And it's MY job to determine the profitability, not the engineers', because honestly they have no idea.

My technical background has given me the skills to understand when that's happening, and it's also given me the credibility with the engineering teams that they know I'm not just busting their balls for no reason.  Then we can work collaboratively to find a solution.  Works out pretty well, ultimately.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 04, 2019, 02:12:04 PM
I was out and about today and had some very deep pithy thoughts:

1.  Scooters.  I'm against them.  Some folks go flying by me by inches and if I happened to turn a bit there would be an incident.  Plus, they leave them strewn about everywhere, sometimes in nice flower beds.  These folks should walk.

2.  Yoga pants.  I am generally for them.  A lot of the ladies around are young and fit, some are not.  The fit ones often are out running etc.  

3.  Dogs.  I've never been anywhere with nearly this high a dog population.  I like dogs.  I rarely see dog poop on the sidewalks.  I saw one dude with a great dane today, I figure he lives in a 1200 sf apartment somewhere.

4.  Libraries.  One of my trips was to the local.  I checked out a book entitled "Salt".  So far it is really briney.  The Chinese invented a lot of stuff.

(https://i.imgur.com/5Jkel9R.png)

Salt of course is the product of an acid and a base (often as not).  He says our bodies have no craving for salt even if we are salt deficient (which in the US is nearly impossible.)  The French are quasi-manic about their salt.  They not only want sea salt, but from this area and not that.  One can see salt flats all around the coastal areas in France.  It all tastes the same to me on food.  I try and use as little as possible anyway.  Libraries are amazing, and the books are "free".

5.  It's quite mild today and cloudy after a hot spell.  I should get out more, but at least I'm walking a lot now.  The wife has been hit with sciatica, first time for her, and not fun, but she says she's recovering.  She flew up to Boston for four days, so I'm batching.

6.  The food truck thing is popular around here.  I had a free Chick-Fil-A sammich I was going to use, the local place just reopened, so I figured I'd use it, at noon.  The line was REALLY long.  I know they serve customers at a fast pace, but I ended up at a Mexican place instead.  They just opened a small park outside the CFA under some large oaks called "The Grove", not to be confused with the thing in Oxford of course, but it's nice, and popular.  Cities should have preserved more park space, we're lucky to have what we have I think.

7.  My favorite BBQ guy has not come to the Saturday market this year.  He was getting old, but his Q was as good as any I've ever had.  He just had the trailer off his truck, no stand alone place, I asked.  I'm pretty unhappy, but hope he's doing well.  The other food places at the market are millennial,. crepes and whatnot.  HIs name was Fitzgerald.  

8.  Uber or Lyft?  We have one car now and walk nearly everywhere we need to walk.  I was calculating how much the one car costs me per month and wondering if I can't just Uber everywhere, or rent a car for a trip if needed.



Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: GopherRock on June 04, 2019, 02:38:36 PM
There are plenty of heavy equipment operator jobs around here, too. One contractor on one of our jobs was so good at mucking around that all but one of their operators were thrown off our site over the course of three season. Pay is great (especially if you're with the 49ers), but you better have an exit strategy. At some point, your body will not be physically able to do the work. Trades have the same problem. 

One of these times I'm going to get 15 yards for a clothesline tackle on one of these electric scooters. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on June 04, 2019, 02:39:41 PM
I've found that my technical background as a practicing engineer has helped me quite a bit when moving over to the product and marketing sides.

In new product development, for example, when I set up some new feature requirements based on my expectations for the market or actual customer requests, and the engineering team pushes back (which they ALWAYS do), I'm able to challenge them in an informed way.  Sometimes they have good reasons, other times they're simply being lazy.  I've done their job and I know the differences, because sometimes I was just lazy too.

Not really lazy, to be fair.  It tends to be a result of an engineering mindset that you know better than the customer, and so taking on new work is pointless.  When in reality, the customer wants what the customer wants.  It may or may not be deliverable in a timely or profitable manner for my own company, but pushing back simply for the sake of pushing back occurs pretty regularly.  And it's MY job to determine the profitability, not the engineers', because honestly they have no idea.

My technical background has given me the skills to understand when that's happening, and it's also given me the credibility with the engineering teams that they know I'm not just busting their balls for no reason.  Then we can work collaboratively to find a solution.  Works out pretty well, ultimately.
Yeah, my law firm, and my practice specifically is heavily involved in the energy industry, and all of the top level partners are petroleum engineers who went back to law school.  For the reasons you said, the energy companies we work with like to talk to people who speak their language, and aren't sleazy lawyers who just learned a little technical jargon.  Certainly helps when you are bidding on work too, that those guys want to work with people who know the process.

I went to a technical round table a couple months ago, and I've never felt so over my head in my entire professional career.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on June 04, 2019, 02:47:57 PM
I was out and about today and had some very deep pithy thoughts:

1.  Scooters.  I'm against them.  Some folks go flying by me by inches and if I happened to turn a bit there would be an incident.  Plus, they leave them strewn about everywhere, sometimes in nice flower beds.  These folks should walk.

8.  Uber or Lyft?  We have one car now and walk nearly everywhere we need to walk.  I was calculating how much the one car costs me per month and wondering if I can't just Uber everywhere, or rent a car for a trip if needed.
(1) Scooters would make more sense on a mixed-use or bicycle-type path. I agree that on sidewalks they are problematic. Infrastructure matters--as does common courtesy. I feel like the latter is not encouraged enough right now, but that's a separate rant.

(8) I use Lyft a lot, particularly when SFIrish needs our car; we rent an SUV when we go skiing (not that often), because our sedan won't do well in snow (and carrying ski gear, etc). Cars are more expensive than people realize, but I haven't done the math comparing rentals and car service rides to owning one car. Having one car has encouraged us to use transportation alternatives more, which I think has generally been good for us. Without kids at home, our needs would change a lot--maybe enough to get rid of our car.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 04, 2019, 03:14:56 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJ9twEldw_M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJ9twEldw_M)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on June 04, 2019, 03:51:19 PM
I'd like to live close enough to the golf course to simply drive my golf cart there and back

that would cut down on the number of barrels of oil for my V8 truck
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 04, 2019, 04:28:23 PM
There is no shortage of engineering jobs.
Badge, I wonder how much of your experience is colored by exposure to civil engineering / land surveying / etc.

I think those engineering disciplines are currently a lot less "sexy" than electrical engineering or computer science. I think with today's youth, working on something that affects a "screen" is more accessible to them than, say, performing structural analysis on a bridge design.

But maybe that's just the fact that I'm in the electrical world so perhaps I see a lot more interest in it than objectively exists...
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: GopherRock on June 05, 2019, 06:42:47 AM
Badge, I wonder how much of your experience is colored by exposure to civil engineering / land surveying / etc.

I think those engineering disciplines are currently a lot less "sexy" than electrical engineering or computer science. I think with today's youth, working on something that affects a "screen" is more accessible to them than, say, performing structural analysis on a bridge design.

But maybe that's just the fact that I'm in the electrical world so perhaps I see a lot more interest in it than objectively exists...
Perhaps. One of the main reasons why I went into civil engineering was that I got to physically see the end result of my work. Granted, I shaded more towards what some would call the softer side of civil engineering (which included transit planning, urban planning/land use policy, bikes/peds, and figuring out how the whole thing goes together). But for me, walking through the new bridge on I-90 over the Mississippi River near La Crosse or seeing an 81,000 pound bridge beam be put in place is incredibly cool.

Maybe I just never outgrew the trucks and train phase that all boys go through at one point or another.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 05, 2019, 06:45:00 AM
As a kid, I loved building stuff.  I always intended to be either a civil engineer or architect and go to GaTech, which would have made me a black sheep in my family.

Until my senior year in HS, something changed, including getting a smallish scholarship to UGA.  I didn't even apply to Tech.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 05, 2019, 08:17:55 AM
https://historycollection.co/20-myths-from-american-history-were-here-to-debunk/6/ (https://historycollection.co/20-myths-from-american-history-were-here-to-debunk/6/)

I didn't read all of these, but they seemed pretty minor to me.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on June 05, 2019, 10:28:08 AM
https://historycollection.co/20-myths-from-american-history-were-here-to-debunk/6/ (https://historycollection.co/20-myths-from-american-history-were-here-to-debunk/6/)

I didn't read all of these, but they seemed pretty minor to me.
I agree.
Some of those aren't even myths at all, because they are not widely believed.  (Who thinks that Thomas Jefferson personally negotiated the Louisiana Purchase?)  And there are bigger myths about the Great Depression than the supposed mass suicides on Wall Street.
We are big on debunking these days.  "Tell the good parts" became "Tell the whole story, warts and all," which has become "Tell nothing but the warts."
In every debunking book (Don't Know Much About History, Lies My Teacher Told Me, and their ilk) or article I've seen, including this one, new inaccuracies--myths, if you will--are produced to replace the old ones.
Every society develops myths about itself, especially about its founding.  If they aren't lies covering up terrible wrongs, like genocide or slavery, they seem relatively harmless to me.  Should we stop to remember, every 4th of July, that the Continental Congress actually voted for independence on 2 July, and go around correcting everyone who thinks the "wrong" way?  Does it matter greatly that George Washington did not chop down that cherry tree?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Mdot21 on June 05, 2019, 11:13:44 AM
8.  Uber or Lyft?  We have one car now and walk nearly everywhere we need to walk.  I was calculating how much the one car costs me per month and wondering if I can't just Uber everywhere, or rent a car for a trip if needed.
Lyft is generally a little bit cheaper than Uber. Maybe $4-5 cheaper per ride. They are both subsidizing the cost of rides by as much as 60% per ride and losing money out of the ass, but Lyft is subsidizing more aggressively in order to gain market share from the much bigger Uber.

Both are worthless piece of crap companies that are essentially Ponzi schemes that will never be profitable and most likely have to merge together or die.

I’ve been taking them both for years. Nice options for a drunk night out here or there or ride to the airport so you don’t have to get raped by the airport parking, but completely cost ineffective if you had to take them every day to get everywhere. And that’s with them subsidizing the ride 60%. If they had to charge $100 for that ride to the airport that’s costing you $40 right now- forget about it. 

It’s way cheaper just owning a cheap reliable Japanese car.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 05, 2019, 11:43:50 AM
Uber and Lyft around here cost nearly the same.  Many drivers do both at the same time.  I could live here without ever driving quite comfortably.  The wife drives to pilates and church routinely, and we like to take some short trips around the area, like to the history center, which is not walkable.

We generally take the subway to the airport unless we have a lot of luggage.    It's about $22 prime time before tip.  The subway is $2.50 and drops you right in the terminal.

                           
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Huskerfan_12 on June 05, 2019, 11:49:10 AM
Working in the trades (Steamfitter) a favorite saying is "It all fits on paper." Older tradesman often tell us on how layovers on blueprints have gone dramatically downhill. Most think this is due to technology. Project Managers, Engineers don't need to be onsite nearly as often. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on June 05, 2019, 12:38:49 PM
I've often used MARTA to get between ATL and Buckhead. It's often been faster than the drive.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 06, 2019, 07:59:30 AM
Favorite times of the year .... June is up there for me.  The heat has not yet struck with full force.  Everything is green.  I like baseball.  I think even the NBA is still playing, not sure.  A certain other sport is starting to seem to be somewhat close.  I can dip in the pool.  It's a nice time for "day trips" to the mountains or whatever.

Of course, today is a particular day in June when we recall folks who did something 75 years ago that was not pleasant.

Did you know there was a Russian battalion somewhat near the beaches?  Some Russians agreed to serve with the Germans (in lieu of a prison camp, and they may mostly have been Ukrainians).  They formed a battalion of dubious "quality" in Normandy, I think they looked for a quick way to surrender, I've never seen a real history of them.

I'm glad it's June, and I'm glad those men did what I'm not sure I could do.

(Not the Russians, our guys, I could have found a way to surrender probably.)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 07, 2019, 10:56:40 AM
The wife flew back from Boston yesterday arriving at 4:30, so the plan was for her to take the subway to the nearby station here, simple enough.  I go to meet her, and she texts that she has lost her pocketbook, bummer.  She is already through security when she realizes it's missing, so now it's a problem.  I hang around a bit and it's obvious this is going to take some time so I drift over to a local sports bar, Taco Mac, which is not my cup of tea really, I have a beer (Goose Island IPA, fine, and some chips).  The sports bar thing is something I tend to avoid, and this one is no different, while they have a hundred plus beers on tap and 50+ TVs, the food is second rate and the service is banal.  I hang for a while, finish, and start back to the condo, and just as I reach it the wife calls me and says they found her pocketbook still on the plane and return it to her with all her stuff.  She tells me this could never happen in France.

So, I turn around and reverse my path to the MARTA station but stop off at a small park to sit because I figure it will take her 25 minutes, in fact it took her 15 and she went to the wrong station at first and had to take another train south back to where I was, but she got there very fast.  It all worked out.  Moral of the story?

Most people here are honest.  While we were dining outside, a guy runs by yelling at some woman loudly, it caught our attention, but he was working at the next door restaurant and the lady had left HER pocketbook behind, so he caught her and returned it, as he walked by I gave him a thumbs up, not that it matters, a large black dude with dreadlocks who looked a bit rough sort of.  He smiled at me and thumbs up.

We'll go to that place soon.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 07, 2019, 11:56:46 AM
Beautiful day at the harbor, even though it's only 56 degrees. The NE wind off The Lake kills any chance of a warm day. It's still only 43 at the mid-lake buoy. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on June 07, 2019, 12:23:10 PM
expected high of 88 here

great golfing and beer drinking weather, been this way all week.  I played golf Monday, Wednesday and Thursday.  Going to take the night off, do some laundry, grill a steak at home, and rest up for the weekend filled with golf and Budweiser.

June is usually wonderful for golf here in NW Iowa
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 07, 2019, 12:51:22 PM
Cloudy and windy here, chance of rain, temperatures modest due to clouds, around 75°F right now.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on June 07, 2019, 02:23:18 PM
Women's World Cup starts today. Should be a good one. USWNT is the favorite, but it won't be easy.

CD, yes the NBA is still going, but unless Clay Thompson is healthy, the Warriors are in a big hole (KD is out, or so I hear).

Weather here is turning summery, which is nice. Doesn't get real hot here very much, but is clear and warm. Starting to think more about our trip to Maui which isn't very far away now.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 07, 2019, 02:43:33 PM
In other news, my new receiver showed up.  I was intimidated for a day just looking at the back of the thing.  I did get it hooked up this morning to the speakers and CD player and etc.  Have not tackled bluetooth and need some help connecting to TV (have to take TV off rack to connect longer optical).  It also is supposed to be balanced with a test tone using a provided microphone which I have not done but it sounds better, interestingly, and the wife likes how it looks.  I will put the old one here in the office.  That is a 14 year old Onkyo, so it stands to reason things are better now.  I got this "reconditioned", which I guess means someone bought it and returned it.  That was quite a bit of money off the price on Amazon.

I was musing about how "in the old days" a receiver had places for the speakers, maybe A and B, and some RCA plugs for phono and tape.

This one can drive two subwoofers, which is more than I need or can use here.  The wife likes how it looked, very clean front and all black.

(https://i.imgur.com/6xEcEIB.png)





Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 07, 2019, 02:52:20 PM
Weather here is turning summery, which is nice. Doesn't get real hot here very much, but is clear and warm. Starting to think more about our trip to Maui which isn't very far away now.
Ahh, reminds me of the old [apparently misattributed to Twain?] quote... "The coldest winter I ever saw was the summer I spent in San Francisco."

Down here in SoCal we've entered "June Gloom" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_Gloom). Typical morning weather is a marine layer that extends miles and miles inland [sometimes carrying light mist/drizzle], and at least today is expected to persist with full clouds until mid-afternoon, becoming sunny only in late afternoon. High of only around 71.

Planning to head out in the Jeep to some breweries on Sunday, though, when at least right now it's projected that the marine layer will break early and have a high of a little over 80. 

What do you guys have planned in Maui? If you've never done it, I recommend waking up [brutally] early and heading up for sunrise at the top of Mount Haleakala. It's really cool--bring a jacket though. It was about 32 degrees the morning we did it, which was ~Memorial Day. It sucks that you have to essentially wake up by 3 AM to make the drive to see it, so if you try it I recommend doing it on the first day or two when you're still jet-lagged and living on West Coast time--it'll feel more like 6 AM. 

Not sure how old your kids are or if they'd be capable, but when we went 3 years ago my wife and I did the crater hike and it was amazing...

https://modernhiker.com/hike/hiking-haleakala-crater/

 (https://modernhiker.com/hike/hiking-haleakala-crater/)It's a butt-kicker of a hike. Usually it's best to start a hike uphill at the start and downhill on the way back; this one is the opposite. You descend ~3000 ft into the crater for 8.5 miles and then climb 1500 ft on 2.5 mi of switchbacks back up to an exit point. And I didn't realize it until the next day, but the way into the crater you're on volcanic sand that requires a little more exertion to gain footing, so the next day my calves were absolutely torched. 

But even with that, it is an AMAZING hike. It's like going through multiple different ecosystems, i.e. starting out in a sort of moonscape with no vegatation due to the altitude, dropping down into some interesting plants you'll see almost nowhere else on earth (silversword), then as you get lower and into the area that sees more precipitation it's almost tropical, before climbing back out through rocky switchback trails on the side of the mountain. 

When they call it "strenuous" on the modern hiker site they mean it, so be forewarned. But if you think the family is up for it, it is truly a once-in-a-lifetime sort of hike. And if they're not up for the hike, I still recommend you drag their butts out of bed for the sunrise up there. It's worth it.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on June 07, 2019, 02:53:53 PM
I had a pretty solid system back in the day, but that was 20+ years ago.

I've thought about a new sound system to go with the 65" TV, but I fear it would bother my daughter's dog.

Besides, I'm cheap and I'm sure inflation has occurred with this equipment
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 07, 2019, 02:56:09 PM
Actually, stereo gear has gotten cheaper and better.  I've listened to some sound bar systems recently that were quite good, that is the way I'd suggest for TV sound.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 07, 2019, 02:56:39 PM
In other news, my new receiver showed up.
I'm torn... I'd like to get a receiver and a set of good speakers. Right now I play everything through a sound bar with a very small powered sub. And in my normal mode, I tend to go for "quality" even if it costs more. 

But... We rarely watch a lot of movies, and even more rarely action movies, such that I think I need full surround sound. And the bulk of the music we listen to is streaming from iHeartRadio or Slacker, so I worry that any money spent on great audio equipment is wasted by the quality if the source material... 

It's one of those things that I emotionally want but I know makes no sense logically given my use case. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on June 07, 2019, 02:57:24 PM


What do you guys have planned in Maui? If you've never done it, I recommend waking up [brutally] early and heading up for sunrise at the top of Mount Haleakala. It's really cool--bring a jacket though. It was about 32 degrees the morning we did it, which was ~Memorial Day. It sucks that you have to essentially wake up by 3 AM to make the drive to see it, so if you try it I recommend doing it on the first day or two when you're still jet-lagged and living on West Coast time--it'll feel more like 6 AM.
My teenage (at the time) daughters weren't up for waking at 3am, but we did make it to the top of Mount Haleakala in the afternoon.  Very impressive.  A must see.  Daughters still talk about it and want to go back.
In their 20's now, they still would not be up to seeing the sunrise at the top
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 07, 2019, 02:58:27 PM
On occasion, when able, I splurge and buy something I don't really need.  This is one of those times.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on June 07, 2019, 02:59:11 PM
I'm torn... I'd like to get a receiver and a set of good speakers. Right now I play everything through a sound bar with a very small powered sub. And in my normal mode, I tend to go for "quality" even if it costs more.

But... We rarely watch a lot of movies, and even more rarely action movies, such that I think I need full surround sound. And the bulk of the music we listen to is streaming from iHeartRadio or Slacker, so I worry that any money spent on great audio equipment is wasted by the quality if the source material...

It's one of those things that I emotionally want but I know makes no sense logically given my use case.
this is exactly where I'm at
the sound bar with a small sub is adequate for watching sports
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 07, 2019, 03:00:16 PM
I think the most impressive place I've ever been if the top of Mauna Kea at sunset, which is a bit south of Maui.  You can easily see Maui on a clear day from the Big Island.

As the sun sets, you hear this hum starting as the Kecks go into action and rotate and open.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 07, 2019, 03:01:42 PM
My teenage (at the time) daughters weren't up for waking at 3am, but we did make it to the top of Mount Haleakala in the afternoon.  Very impressive.  A must see.  Daughters still talk about it and want to go back.
In their 20's now, they still would not be up to seeing the sunrise at the top
My wife said she'd do the sunrise again, but never the hike. She was happy we did the hike, but once was enough ;)

I don't know if/when we'd ever do a Maui trip with the kids, but what would probably end up happening is that I'd drag them all up there for the sunrise, send my wife with my special needs son and my daughter back down the mountain, and do the hike with my oldest son and have the wife/other kids meet us with the car hours later at the pickup point. 

More than likely if we ever did it, my daughter [by her age that time, certainly at least teenage years] would be capable of the hike but I probably wouldn't want to her her bitch and whine the whole way lol... 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 07, 2019, 03:04:37 PM
Speaking of which, every time I walk into Costco I see these incredible TVs right up front (they must have some reason for that).  They are stunning.

I have a 65" but 1 K TV and the itch is starting.  I thought mine was something when I got it 4 years back.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on June 07, 2019, 03:06:56 PM
My wife said she'd do the sunrise again, but never the hike. She was happy we did the hike, but once was enough ;)

I don't know if/when we'd ever do a Maui trip with the kids, but what would probably end up happening is that I'd drag them all up there for the sunrise, send my wife with my special needs son and my daughter back down the mountain, and do the hike with my oldest son and have the wife/other kids meet us with the car hours later at the pickup point.

More than likely if we ever did it, my daughter [by her age that time, certainly at least teenage years] would be capable of the hike but I probably wouldn't want to her her bitch and whine the whole way lol...
We go to Maui every two to three years, so we generally don't try to pack too much in. We've done sunrise at Haleakala a couple of times with our kids, and a couple more before them. I would like to do the hike someday, but I don't think we're in the right shape for it now (my daughter could probably handle it no problem, but for being a teenager).

I think this time we will mostly be in relaxation mode. We always try for a hike somewhere inland, and we always spend a lot of time at the beach and pool. Someday I'd also like to spend a lot of time on my bike there, but it gets pretty windy in the afternoon, so it would have to be the morning. My cousin has ridden the race up Haleakala several times, and even won it once, but he's a much stronger cyclist than I'll ever be.

I'm still trying to convince the family to spend a few nights over at Hana, rather than making it a day trip, which we've done a couple of times. I think we would enjoy it more if we didn't have to get back the same day. But that's been an uphill battle.

We did the Big Island when the kids were a lot smaller. Not sure if we'll go back as a family; I suspect not.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on June 07, 2019, 03:10:16 PM
the two trips to Hawaii, Honolulu then Maui, where probably the two times my daughters did NOT bitch and whine
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 07, 2019, 03:12:37 PM
 Someday I'd also like to spend a lot of time on my bike there, but it gets pretty windy in the afternoon, so it would have to be the morning. My cousin has ridden the race up Haleakala several times, and even won it once, but he's a much stronger cyclist than I'll ever be.
I don't think I'd like to ride up the hill... My Purdue buddy did that when he went a couple years ago, but he's the sort of guy who rides 60+ miles just for fun.

I could definitely see doing one of those tours where you take a bus up the hill for sunrise, and then ride DOWN the hill lol. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on June 07, 2019, 03:35:25 PM
Curiously, the only people I know who have come down it didn't like it much. It's fast, lots of time on the brakes, tiring for the hands, shoulders, neck, etc., and you have to deal with a fair amount of auto traffic that can be challenging to interact with because your speed is often pretty close tot theirs.

And yeah, going up is only for the serious cyclist. The 60+ miles doesn't deter me--I'm happy doing that, too--but the near 10,000 feet of climbing, all in one shot, is daunting.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 07, 2019, 03:46:14 PM
The wife loves the Big Island.  It's quiet and peaceful and sunny.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on June 07, 2019, 03:50:17 PM
I like places that do not require a 9 hour flight
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 07, 2019, 03:53:59 PM
I"m getting somewhat used to long flights, in the 8-9 hour range.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on June 07, 2019, 03:59:32 PM
I'm not sure that is a good thing
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on June 07, 2019, 04:06:56 PM
On occasion, when able, I splurge and buy something I don't really need.  This is one of those times.


You bought Mount Haleakala?Some Maui Wowie or Kona Bud I can understand but sheesh
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 07, 2019, 04:21:33 PM
I only bought a third of it.  The rest is not for sale.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 07, 2019, 04:23:34 PM
Kauai is by far my favorite of the islands. And it's not close.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on June 07, 2019, 04:33:47 PM
My uncle lives on Kauai. We've visited and enjoyed it. My cousin moved to Oahu a few years back for a girl and stayed for the economy.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 07, 2019, 04:37:41 PM
When was it that you were last in Madison with me? I know CDawg was there, and maybe LilDawg? Who else? Yao Ming?


I know El Tigre outran Madison's finest with his SEC speed. What a night.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on June 07, 2019, 04:56:15 PM
2007, Iowa game. Hard to believe. L'il Dawg was there, as was CD.

I'm struggling to find when I might come this year. SFIrish is running for reelection to her local office, which takes a lot of mind space and emotional support heading into November.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 07, 2019, 07:09:23 PM
When was it that you were last in Madison with me? I know CDawg was there, and maybe LilDawg? Who else? Yao Ming?


I know El Tigre outran Madison's finest with his SEC speed. What a night.
Good times.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 07, 2019, 11:31:52 PM
Good times.
I remember your belly laugh when I spouted the SEC speed thing. I thought Lori was gonna have to give you CPR.



Precious moments. Gotta cherish. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 08, 2019, 06:53:21 AM
Yeah, he kept me up until like 3 AM with that jaunt and we had to book it early the next day to get him to the airport.  He thought Cinciy and Madison were near neighbors apparently.

We picked up L'il Dawg in Chicago.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on June 08, 2019, 08:33:13 AM
very good times

first time I meet the folks from the SEC
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on June 08, 2019, 10:46:44 AM
I see the jury laughed at the defe