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Title: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 17, 2019, 06:01:48 PM
So... Just needed a place to gripe and figured you guys are sympathetic ears for this sort of thing...

Out here in SoCal, two of my fraternity brothers were living just down the road in the San Diego area for the last 4-5 years. One is a fellow left-handed Polish electrical engineer whose birthday is 1 day prior to mine, and the other was actually my roommate for a year in the fraternity. Obviously we've been through a lot over the years. Weddings, divorces, next weddings, and everything in between.

Over the past few years, when I met my wonderful wife, my one friend's wife [who hated my ex] took an immediate liking to my new bride. Right about the time I met her, my other friend met the woman who he married a few months ago. The six of us quickly all became really good friends.

My former roommate ended up moving back to Indianapolis with his wife in November. He found that oddly the job market for what he did and his wife did was actually better in Indiana than SoCal, to the extent that he was able to make more money and move to a place with MUCH lower living expenses.

My fellow EE friend just got a job with a former employer in Charlotte. Can't blame him, as it was a promotion and a SERIOUS raise, and again dropped his living expenses like a rock. So early next month, he and his wife are out of here and moving cross-country.

I'm happy for them, but it leaves me feeling a little bit deserted. After a certain age, making friends is just a completely different proposition...
Title: Re: 2019 Off Topic Thread of Threads
Post by: FearlessF on January 17, 2019, 06:08:17 PM
well, ya got buddies here

hopefully your wife is very social and finds good friends to spend time with 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Consciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 17, 2019, 07:44:59 PM
Friends. Hmm. I've had to shed a few over the past year. I always say that I have too many good ones to have bad ones. It's still hard though.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Consciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 17, 2019, 07:46:15 PM
So... Just needed a place to gripe and figured you guys are sympathetic ears for this sort of thing....
Ya think?
Ya Knucklehead.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 18, 2019, 09:32:12 AM
So, anyone have any vacations planned for this year? We've got a few coming up. Have some weekend visits to Florida in February and March set up, just to get the heck out of here and warm up.


Then, in April, it's back to Europe for an 8 day cruise from Civitavecchia to Venice, followed by 9 days in Milan, Florence and Rome.


November takes us back to Florida for a week.


That's all so far. I'm sure we'll have a couple of jaunts on The Lake, but nothing major.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Riffraft on January 18, 2019, 09:53:56 AM
So, anyone have any vacations planned for this year? We've got a few coming up. Have some weekend visits to Florida in February and March set up, just to get the heck out of here and warm up.


Then, in April, it's back to Europe for an 8 day cruise from Civitavecchia to Venice, followed by 9 days in Milan, Florence and Rome.


November takes us back to Florida for a week.


That's all so far. I'm sure we'll have a couple of jaunts on The Lake, but nothing major.
Taking a cruise in March to the West Caribbean. Going back to Ohio in September for one of my sons' weddings (I guess that is a vacation). Past that I am sure I will take a few long weekend trips through the year.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on January 18, 2019, 10:28:00 AM
I can relate to that bwar. From my pre-Bloomington years, I have a cluster of friendships that Vegas would give long odds to end before death, including one from kindergarten through the end of college. But at IU, with rare exceptions, I never really added any that didn't belong to my wife. She's since moved to Buffalo because she got her dream professorship, and I still hang out with them, even threw a party recently and will do it again soon. But whereas that's all quite nice and we're authentic around each other, there are rarely any shenanigans. We just sit or stand, drink or don't, and talk - current events or science/philosophy. Pleasant, even fascinating, but not brotherhood. It's not close to the same. 

I guess that means all I can recommend is stay close to your wife (which I think you are), keep a pet (which I think you do), and find as much pleasure as you can in your moments alone. Not because you should pack up and enter your life's cat lady zone, but because while it's safe to bet more friends - even great ones - can/will enter your space, that's not necessarily in your control. And if you believe in the principle that happiness is always a choice, but not always easily made, these other things will help you choose it more easily no matter the friends that move away or how slow you meet the next ones.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on January 18, 2019, 10:30:40 AM
So, anyone have any vacations planned for this year? We've got a few coming up. Have some weekend visits to Florida in February and March set up, just to get the heck out of here and warm up.


Then, in April, it's back to Europe for an 8 day cruise from Civitavecchia to Venice, followed by 9 days in Milan, Florence and Rome.


November takes us back to Florida for a week.


That's all so far. I'm sure we'll have a couple of jaunts on The Lake, but nothing major.
Nothing elaborate, but some more hiking trips in the continental US. A couple weeks in the Smoky Mountains in May. A long weekend in the Adirondacks around July 4. And then there are a lot of almost biweekly trips to or from Buffalo (or meeting in between at a cottage in Michigan) to see my wife. All plain but nice.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on January 18, 2019, 10:36:04 AM
So... Just needed a place to gripe and figured you guys are sympathetic ears for this sort of thing...

Out here in SoCal, two of my fraternity brothers were living just down the road in the San Diego area for the last 4-5 years. One is a fellow left-handed Polish electrical engineer whose birthday is 1 day prior to mine, and the other was actually my roommate for a year in the fraternity. Obviously we've been through a lot over the years. Weddings, divorces, next weddings, and everything in between.

Over the past few years, when I met my wonderful wife, my one friend's wife [who hated my ex] took an immediate liking to my new bride. Right about the time I met her, my other friend met the woman who he married a few months ago. The six of us quickly all became really good friends.

My former roommate ended up moving back to Indianapolis with his wife in November. He found that oddly the job market for what he did and his wife did was actually better in Indiana than SoCal, to the extent that he was able to make more money and move to a place with MUCH lower living expenses.

My fellow EE friend just got a job with a former employer in Charlotte. Can't blame him, as it was a promotion and a SERIOUS raise, and again dropped his living expenses like a rock. So early next month, he and his wife are out of here and moving cross-country.

I'm happy for them, but it leaves me feeling a little bit deserted. After a certain age, making friends is just a completely different proposition...
Kids make it even harder.  Then you can pretty much only have other friends that have kids...of a similar age, for at least a little while.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 18, 2019, 10:41:39 AM
So, anyone have any vacations planned for this year? We've got a few coming up. Have some weekend visits to Florida in February and March set up, just to get the heck out of here and warm up.
I going to try to get back to Texas in February to see my brother and play more golf.  Probably just to the D/FW area.
This summer I'd like to take my daughters to the San Fran Bay area for a week.  That might be difficult with my work schedule and meshing their schedules.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 18, 2019, 10:43:17 AM
Kids make it even harder.  Then you can pretty much only have other friends that have kids...of a similar age, for at least a little while.
Interesting. We never let that stand in the way of our friends. Sure, you make accommodations for certain things, but by and large kids never dictated who we hung out with.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on January 18, 2019, 10:45:42 AM
Interesting. We never let that stand in the way of our friends. Sure, you make accommodations for certain things, but by and large kids never dictated who we hung out with.
Who?  No.  But if everyone is going somewhere for dinner and drinks at 8:00 and you have a 4 year old and a 2 year old you either have to find a babysitter, which isn't always available, and usually isn't cheap, or sit it out.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 18, 2019, 10:46:33 AM
So... Just needed a place to gripe and figured you guys are sympathetic ears for this sort of thing...


I'm happy for them, but it leaves me feeling a little bit deserted. After a certain age, making friends is just a completely different proposition...
from what I've read about your cooking/smoking and brewing it will be very easy to find new friends.  Simply find someone that you feel might be worthy of your friendship and then invite them over for some goo food and drink.  I'd guess you are a very generous and gracious host.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 18, 2019, 10:47:23 AM
Who?  No.  But if everyone is going somewhere for dinner and drinks at 8:00 and you have a 4 year old and a 2 year old you either have to find a babysitter, which isn't always available, and usually isn't cheap, or sit it out.
this is the reason you stay close to the in-laws
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on January 18, 2019, 10:48:53 AM
this is the reason you stay close to the in-laws
We have one set close, but they usually go out themselves on Saturday nights.  We have 3 babysitters lined up, but I'd say it 50/50 on whether any one of them is available.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 18, 2019, 10:54:34 AM
Well, we mostly always cooked at home and had guests, or we were at the harbor. I guess our lifestyle made it easier in that regard. That, and every-other-weekend the kids were not with us...
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 18, 2019, 10:59:58 AM
We have one set close, but they usually go out themselves on Saturday nights.  We have 3 babysitters lined up, but I'd say it 50/50 on whether any one of them is available.
We never really relied on parents (mine) to watch the kids. Hers are not anywhere near where we live. Anyway, they raised their own already and it was their time. Of course, they would do it if asked, and do it happily. I just chose to not go there often.

Interestingly enough, the youngest son is getting married this summer (SUMMER DAMMIT!!!). Aside from the fat check I had to write, I'm happy for him and I like his choice (other than her parents have no money). Anyway, the fiancé already had a conversation with Mrs. 847 about having kids and babysitting and all that. Mrs. 847 subscribes to my philosophy on this. We are not babysitters. This is our time now. Sorry.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 18, 2019, 11:29:29 AM
My father didn't want to be a babysitter, but when is friend, Grandma Sherry was around she loved spending time with my daughters.  So that happened often.

My mother-in-law also cherished time with the girls and was eager to take them anytime she wasn't busy.

We didn't put a burden on either of them.  Always their choice.  I'd happily pay a babysitter or simply stay home.

now paying a babysitter and then have her steal me blind was not enjoyable.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 18, 2019, 12:06:49 PM
Kids make it even harder.  Then you can pretty much only have other friends that have kids...of a similar age, for at least a little while.

Well, we mostly always cooked at home and had guests, or we were at the harbor. I guess our lifestyle made it easier in that regard. That, and every-other-weekend the kids were not with us...
Yep. That's one of the advantages of divorce. The most famous of which is never having to live with that awful woman again. But only slightly well-known is this: you actually have the freedom of a non-parent roughly half the time. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 18, 2019, 12:10:22 PM
2/14 of the time was more like it, for us. Dood was/is a total asshole.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 18, 2019, 12:13:14 PM
So, anyone have any vacations planned for this year? We've got a few coming up. Have some weekend visits to Florida in February and March set up, just to get the heck out of here and warm up.
I think this year we're having "little" getaways since we hit Europe last year, with our next international vacation planned for 2020. 
But there's already a lot of little ones. We spent New Year's in Paso Robles. Doing Santa Barbara & Cambria this weekend over the holiday. Back to Paso Robles in March, followed by a trip to AZ for a wedding. The beginning of May is the Southern California Homebrew Festival, so that's more of a little local "RV camping" trip. June we'll be going to Vegas to see Jerry Seinfeld live. September we're going to go to Chicago/West Laf/Indianapolis to show my bride where I grew up [and see a Cubs game], where I went to school [and see the TCU@Purdue game], and see our friends that just moved to Indy. And then we already know we'll be taking the kids up to Oregon for a week around Thanksgiving.
And I'm sure we'll fill in various little trips here and there. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 18, 2019, 12:25:35 PM
We just returned from Cabo, which is a pretty nice place to visit in January. Rented a 5BR house with 4 other couples. The weather was perfect. Of course, I got the flu half way through the vacation, so that was a major suck. I'm just now finally getting past it.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 18, 2019, 12:43:52 PM
get a flu shot

ya damn near died in Lincoln one weekend a decade ago
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 18, 2019, 12:58:25 PM
I did get the shot. I drank my way through that weekend. Can't do that anymore...
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Kris60 on January 18, 2019, 01:00:23 PM
I don’t know how people with kids manage without having family close by.  I mean, I’m sure you do but we have always had family close to help us with our kids and I can’t imagine not having that.  My kids never went to daycare or spent an evening with a babysitter that wasn’t a blood relative.

There might be an argument whether that is good or bad but it always put my mind at ease knowing who was taking care of them.  But we also paid the family members for watching them so we never felt like we were taking advantage of them.  It was a win-win.  We had the peace of mind of knowing someone was watching our kids who genuinely loved them but they were also getting extra income that helped them.



Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on January 18, 2019, 01:06:58 PM
It definitely forces you to take inventory of your time.  Babysitter for two kids is about $15 an hour, and we always round up.  We havent seen a movie together in a theater in six years.  They've never made a movie that's worth a near $100 date night.

We save it for new restaurants we want to try, or going over to friends or a show or ocassionally a baseball game.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Kris60 on January 18, 2019, 01:44:21 PM
As for friends, I’m in a weird spot.  I have many close friends that I converse with regularly by text or phone but I hardly ever see them or get an opportunity to hang out with them.  Some of it is because of geography and some of it is family dynamics.

One of my best friends lives just fifteen minutes away in the next town over but our kids aren’t involved in the same activities.  If I’m at a softball tournament he’s at a soccer tournament.  If I’m at a basketball game he’s at a cheerleading competition.  

The other part of it is our wives.  Sometimes my wife is cool with me hanging out with a buddy watching a game or playing golf and other times she isn’t.  It’s the same with my friends’ wives.  

So, in a way I have a lot of friends but sometimes it feels like I don’t have any.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 18, 2019, 01:44:41 PM
Our issue is that we only have the kids 5/14 days (5 nights every two weeks), and we generally try to make good use of our time with them, so in the last 2 1/2 years we've used in-home babysitters probably less than 5 times. As a result, we have no reliable babysitter on call. 

Luckily there is a drop-in daycare that we can use if we need someone for a few hours. That's come in handy in some cases where we wanted to do an activity that was only appropriate for one kid, and needed someone to watch the other two. But they're not open Sundays, so that makes it a little bit more limiting. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 18, 2019, 01:46:01 PM
I don’t know how people with kids manage without having family close by.  I mean, I’m sure you do but we have always had family close to help us with our kids and I can’t imagine not having that.  My kids never went to daycare or spent an evening with a babysitter that wasn’t a blood relative.

There might be an argument whether that is good or bad but it always put my mind at ease knowing who was taking care of them.  But we also paid the family members for watching them so we never felt like we were taking advantage of them.  It was a win-win.  We had the peace of mind of knowing someone was watching our kids who genuinely loved them but they were also getting extra income that helped them.




dude, that is GOLD
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on January 18, 2019, 02:17:14 PM
Ordinarily you are closest to the people you face challenges with. It's one reason we often have great childhood friends that we never see--because we endured teen angst together. The bestest of my best friends do not live nearby, so I truly value the opportunities to see them. But I have new friends I've met through my community here, who I also treasure. But those relationships take time, and--at least for me--aren't as deep as with my teen, college, and Army buddies.

And as noted above, it helps that SFIrish is a true friend. We've always enjoy hanging out together (we're spouses, so we still argue over who cleans the bathroom and why the kids haven't done their chores, but you know, life).
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on January 18, 2019, 02:24:14 PM
We're getting ready to move, and the house is nearing completion (likely May/June), but we're going to go out to Maine this summer.   My oldest really wants to do it, and I'm down with it.  Will likely parlay it with a game at Fenway, same as I did 23 years ago when I went to Maine the last time as a young adult

Gotta have a few sitters in the rotation.   The biggest key though was getting a verbal commitment for a summertime nanny at the end of last year.  That's such a relief, not to be scrambling.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 18, 2019, 02:33:23 PM
Lobster rolls.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on January 18, 2019, 03:01:29 PM
Interestingly enough, the youngest son is getting married this summer (SUMMER DAMMIT!!!)Hey at least it wasn't football season

. Aside from the fat check I had to write, I'm happy for him and I like his choice (other than her parents have no money). Anyway, the fiancé already had a conversation with Mrs. 847 about having kids and babysitting and all that. Mrs. 847 subscribes to my philosophy on this. We are not babysitters. This is our time now. Sorry.Hope that isn't a harbinger of things to come.Suggesting directives isn't getting off on the right foot.But I'm sure you were tactful & kind in your smiting

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on January 18, 2019, 03:10:17 PM
ya damn near died in Lincoln one weekend a decade ago
Were you using 847 as a Shark Water Guinea Pig?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 18, 2019, 03:44:40 PM
Were you using 847 as a Shark Water Guinea Pig?
maybe
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 18, 2019, 06:22:29 PM
I'm proud to say I've never fallen victim to even a sip of that stuff. I know better than to mix Tito's with anything but ice and lemon twist.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 18, 2019, 06:30:24 PM
many Badger fans aren't nearly as cautious 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 18, 2019, 07:49:26 PM
Heh.



Mrs. 847 says hi.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 18, 2019, 08:35:58 PM
hah, and she had to drive home with a load of beef and a sleeping Badger!
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on January 18, 2019, 10:10:49 PM
We're going to go out to Maine this summer.
Awesome! I'm really itching to get out to Acadia and Katahdin.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 19, 2019, 10:16:07 AM
cold snap here in Iowa, didn't get the 5-8 inches predicted, but the thermometer says 0 this morning

trip to the bar this morning for schooners and Charlie Boys with the fellas

college basketball watching in a warm place is the planned activity

nothing planned for food past the Charlie Boys

resting up for the NFL tomorrow
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on January 19, 2019, 01:38:42 PM
<br />(https://i.ibb.co/Wp3jn01/Screenshot-20190119-105723.png) (https://ibb.co/Wp3jn01)<br />Not good
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 19, 2019, 02:01:39 PM
<br />(https://i.ibb.co/Wp3jn01/Screenshot-20190119-105723.png) (https://ibb.co/Wp3jn01)<br />Not good
We already got our 10", with more Lake Effect to come later.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on January 19, 2019, 02:15:15 PM
I'll trade 10 inches for this stuff any day.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on January 19, 2019, 02:23:59 PM
I'll trade 10 inches for this stuff any day.
I'd trade many summer days for 10".
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 19, 2019, 02:42:09 PM
10" of what?


:57:
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on January 19, 2019, 03:41:35 PM
Yeah, I'm off Monday, with nothing going on all weekend other thatn this morning so I was down for a big snowstorm, with a couple days to deal with it.  I stead we get a full day of rain, followed by an inch or two overnight.  Blah.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 19, 2019, 04:17:06 PM
sunshine and golf on the TV

schooners were frosty
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on January 19, 2019, 04:20:19 PM
Just made queso dip for the first time.  I picked up some Frito scoops and was inspired on this slippery date.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 19, 2019, 05:29:35 PM
I'm at UCSB (where the missus went to school) today. 70 and sunny here :)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on January 19, 2019, 05:35:44 PM
I'm at UCSB (where the missus went to school) today. 70 and sunny here :)
Good town 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 19, 2019, 05:42:04 PM
I'm at UCSB (where the missus went to school) today. 70 and sunny here :)
Hate you. Hate hate hate.
Dammit.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 19, 2019, 06:04:23 PM
I'd be at the Sandpiper playing
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 19, 2019, 07:20:26 PM
I'd be out catching some fish to make sashimi. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CatsbyAZ on January 19, 2019, 09:11:23 PM
Talk about no football. Just walked into my friendly neighborhood sports bar and on the big screens are college hockey (St. Cloud St Vs Western Michigan), the Tennis Channel (women’s Australian Open from Melbourne), and the UFC Prelims from Brooklyn. Gonna be a long offseason.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 19, 2019, 09:52:02 PM
college hoops????
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 19, 2019, 10:39:26 PM
Gopher game is a good one
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 19, 2019, 11:17:27 PM
Hate you. Hate hate hate.
Dammit.
We got ice cream from a local joint for dessert.  Ate it outside. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 19, 2019, 11:40:25 PM
'Dammit, Jim,
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 20, 2019, 12:58:41 PM
Ram's fan and a couple other beer drinking buddies coming over today to watch football and eat smoked brisket chili

I'm ready for a Bloody Mary and a Budweiser beer back, it's nearly noon!

I'll try to post some pics in the tailgate thread
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on January 20, 2019, 01:24:49 PM
We had to get I'm guessin' at least 14" the snow was over the the Toro's deck.Which took me at least 1/2 hr to get started.Just have to prime/choke more at 17 degrees.Neighbor made some passes too but there was so much I had to make a bunch of half passes as the stuff was rolling over the top and the sides
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 20, 2019, 01:28:11 PM
I love ya Nubbz, but better you than me
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on January 20, 2019, 01:45:18 PM
Doesn't bother me throw another witch on the fire.I've got a 1979 Toro that a mechanic friend rebuilt a while back when a friend of his moved to Vegas left him a 1yr old Troy-Built bigger than this one so i got a good deal.The gauge steel is much thicker and cuts thru the Ice/snow that the Great Lakes dumps on us.I'm enjoying a Yuengling now - and some stir fry
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 20, 2019, 01:52:36 PM
1979 Toro is a classic!!!

we were predicted for 5-8 inches, but got less than 2 inches of fluffy stuff.  my xmas present, leaf blower took care of the driveway

I've got the 1 year old Troy-built in the garage if/when needed

sold the early 90's Ariens 8hp that was my Father's a couple seasons ago.  Probably should have had it rebuilt.  It was a beast!
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on January 20, 2019, 02:06:27 PM
An Ariens - hell ya I bought a 17yr old Ariens lawn mower for a song.My neighbor had a series of surgeries so he has a landscaper come in.When I needed the drive bands replaced on my Toro that guys sells just Ariens mowers.Says they really don't make them that way anymore and he's right.My mower and blower together are as old as me - but they make less noise and smell & operate better than I
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 20, 2019, 03:06:50 PM
yer older than a 79 model aren't ya?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 20, 2019, 03:08:09 PM
Nebraska is 15th in a Wall Street Journal tabulation of most valuable college football programs.

https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/Texas-Ohio-State-Alabama-Michigan-college-football-most-valuable-programs-128030289/ (https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/Texas-Ohio-State-Alabama-Michigan-college-football-most-valuable-programs-128030289/)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on January 20, 2019, 03:28:00 PM
yer older than a 79 model aren't ya?
Oh hellz ya I'm older than the 69 model - my math was off.I remember watching Woody & the boys taking down John Mckay & the Trojan War Machine on Jan.1,1969
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on January 20, 2019, 03:30:54 PM
Nebraska is 15th in a Wall Street Journal tabulation of most valuable college football programs.
They only came to that conclusion after getting pumped full of some Titos concoction at a tailgate in Lincoln
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 20, 2019, 03:33:12 PM
Straight out of Julia's book, I've got some beef bourguignon going on in the oven right now.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Kris60 on January 20, 2019, 03:39:55 PM
Only got about 3 inches here but the roads are icy and it’s a cold blustery today.  Turned on the fireplace and got under a blanket and plan on watching both the championship games today.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 20, 2019, 03:43:18 PM
Oh hellz ya I'm older than the 69 model - my math was off.I remember watching Woody & the boys taking down John Mckay & the Trojan War Machine on Jan.1,1969
me too, was a good day!!
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on January 20, 2019, 03:47:37 PM
Nebraska is 15th in a Wall Street Journal tabulation of most valuable college football programs.

https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/Texas-Ohio-State-Alabama-Michigan-college-football-most-valuable-programs-128030289/ (https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/Texas-Ohio-State-Alabama-Michigan-college-football-most-valuable-programs-128030289/)
Could some of us pool our money together and buy FSU's athletic dept?  I'll check the couch cushions and what-not.  Let's buy it and shut it down.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 20, 2019, 04:19:22 PM
I'd rather buy Baylor and shut that cult down.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 20, 2019, 04:50:25 PM
I'm in for either or both
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 20, 2019, 07:40:21 PM
Couldn't get in at Hearst Castle today. Bought tickets for first thing in the morning.

Instead we ended up with a great lunch 100 ft from the ocean, followed by three wineries in Cambria, and now at a brewery.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 20, 2019, 10:34:21 PM
I toured the Hearst Castle in 1976 as a 14 year-old

very impressive
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on January 20, 2019, 11:42:47 PM
Anybody else watching the moon hide behind the earth tonight? Pretty cool, red glow circle halo. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on January 22, 2019, 03:45:44 PM
<br />(https://i.ibb.co/ww4XjbQ/023.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ww4XjbQ)<br /><br />(https://i.ibb.co/WP7nmNp/026.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WP7nmNp)<br />A little hike yesterday. It was in the 50s with some windchill up on the hill...
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 23, 2019, 10:17:12 AM
I'm just back from Braves Baseball Fantasy Camp, which is really really fun (and taxing and tiring).  This was an especially fun camp for me (my fourth).  I won the closet to the pin contest on a par 3.  I won MVP for my team for one day.  I won "over 50 MVP" for the entire camp.

Our team was undefeated and won the championship, so we got these unbelievably gaudy rings and a "champagne" shower on the field.

Our coaches were Steve Avery and Matt Diaz.  Special guests were Leo Mazzone and Andruw Jones.  Jones is a pretty cool dude.

Despite all the running I did in preparation, I still was hobbled on my legs.  I did manage to hit pretty well and pitched two innings in one game.  My shoulder feels like loose bolts in it though, I can barely throw any more.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on January 23, 2019, 10:50:05 AM
Glad you enjoyed the Camp Mr Hobbs
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 27, 2019, 07:06:24 PM
Brrr.


Looking at a high of -12 on Wednesday here in ChiArtic, with an overnight low of -19.


Both would break records. Man, I gotta move. This sucks.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on January 27, 2019, 07:18:21 PM
Brrr.


Looking at a high of -12 on Wednesday here in ChiArtic, with an overnight low of -19.


Both would break records. Man, I gotta move. This sucks.
Come south young man, it’ll make you soft
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on January 27, 2019, 07:53:24 PM
got a call tonight that the pipes in my chalet in the UP not only froze but ruptured... this is the only weekend it hasn't been rented this season.  with nobody there to flush a toilet, wash their hands, or take a shower (run the water) it was just a literal matter of time.  

so... plumber will be in there tomorrow.  i don't know what this is going to cost me, but if i were a plumber and had to go under a chalet in sub zero temperatures i'd make it worth my while.  

the guy who looks out for me up there informed me there is a vent in the crawl space that actually keeps it toasty in cold like they;re having, but the pipe and drain in question is in an exterior wall where it is exposed to that wicked cold stuff outside... mr. highly paid plumber is going to abandon those pipes and come out of the ground through the floor to the sink and pooper drain and feed instead of through the wall.  

I'm gonna turn a bottle up before CoB tomorrow to be more inclined not to yell when he calls with the bill.... 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 27, 2019, 08:30:25 PM
the guy that looks out for you up there should have turned a trickle on that pipe 

this happened at my father's house, snow covered the furnace vent and caused the furnace to not run, flooded the basement

luckily, insurance covered it
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 27, 2019, 09:07:35 PM
Come south young man, it’ll make you soft
South where bro? Where are you these days?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 27, 2019, 09:08:04 PM
the guy that looks out for you up there should have turned a trickle on that pipe

this happened at my father's house, snow covered the furnace vent and caused the furnace to not run, flooded the basement

luckily, insurance covered it
No brainer.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 27, 2019, 09:10:12 PM
Oh, and it gets better. Starting tonight, we're getting 8-10" on top of the 15 we have on the ground. Need some warming. Even the heated patio has snow cover on it. That is not supposed to happen.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 27, 2019, 09:30:17 PM
I should go back to Texas this week

I think I'll wait until the middle of February 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on January 27, 2019, 09:36:52 PM
he was actually headed out there to turn a trickle on- said he thought the cleaning crew would have but he was going to go check... it could have been worse- the folks coming in on wed could have discovered it instead. 

me being a tinkerer, i've already designed a counter to this on paper.  it consists of a normally closed 9vdc solenoid valve, and a timer with a 30 second window of charge.  I'll dial it to thirty seconds every x hours, perhaps one hour when it's cold and six or so in the warm months.  I've figured it to mount under a toilets lid and intercepting the water supply- T'ing the toilets tower and the device.  

placing it in a toilet keeps water flowing between both the intake and the drains- keeping them from freezing in the winter and keeping them from holding stagnant water in the warm months.  

damn, I'm smart.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 27, 2019, 10:52:08 PM
Brrr.


Looking at a high of -12 on Wednesday here in ChiArtic, with an overnight low of -19.


Both would break records. Man, I gotta move. This sucks.
Got to almost 80 here today. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on January 27, 2019, 10:59:28 PM
Ha, now that's salt in Badge's wounds. I really do enjoy the most bitterly cold weather (actually have eyes on Greenland and Antarctica, but will probably take more than a decade until I knock both out, and that doesn't count my hunger to crampon my way up some icy summits in the next 2 years). But I still have the gift of age and health. Both are fleeting, so I need to say "for now." Lose even one of those, and hyper-cold days won't be OK for me, either. I'll be in the southwest like my parents this time of year (hopping between San Diego, Havasu and Vegas).
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 28, 2019, 08:19:35 AM
Yeah, I hate him.


Lots of things are closed here.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 28, 2019, 08:52:09 AM
It's chilly here this morning (32°F) but brilliantly sunny.  Our kitchen demo is slated to start today, hopefully.

The wife is managing this but the contractor has been a little lacking in clear communications from what I can discern.

For us, the milder winters are a HUGE plus here versus Cincy while the longer summers were not a problem for us last year at all.  It gets just as hot in Cincy and probably more humid, but it doesn't last as long.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 28, 2019, 12:21:54 PM
temp is scheduled to drop from a high of 10 today until Wednesday morning when it bottoms out at negative 20

oh, and the wind is blowing up to 30 mph

I'm moving to Texas - next door to Utee
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 28, 2019, 01:40:55 PM
Yeah, I hate him.


Lots of things are closed here.
:49:
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 28, 2019, 02:00:30 PM
The workers have arrived to redo the kitchen.  Surprisingly, the two guys are from South Africa.

I have not looked into the kitchen, it's shrouded with plastic, but they are making some serious noise, tearing out cabinets and counter top (which is a rather nice granite but the wife didn't like it).  

We're also having stone put on one of our decks, the middle floor deck, which should be nice.  It's raw concrete right now.



Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 28, 2019, 02:01:47 PM
sounds VERY expensive

like new car expensive
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 28, 2019, 02:04:47 PM
A new kitchen is new car expensive.  This is a relatively small kitchen as well.  She wanted a new stove, one of the inductive type, and that ran over $3K, and the vent fan is fancy and is $900 or so.  Cabinets and quartz and labor will run over $25 K.

I thought the old kitchen was fine.  I'm blessed at being able to manage all this while having an exotic French wife.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on January 28, 2019, 02:19:49 PM
i feel your pain, @Cincydawg (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=870) .. the guys doing the construction/re-construction started in again about an hour ago... this is all from the hurricane damage early last fall.  the wife is taking the opportunity to uprgade things.. for instance, they're working over the master bath right now.  I ordered a 'redi-tile' shower pan/base that ran me in excess of $900... a freakin shower insert from lowe's or homedepot would take a fraction of the effort as it's sans ceramic tile and done once you mortar the base and tack it to the studs.... as you may guess i'm function over form by a wide margin... 

this is a sore spot, this next bit:

the insurance works like this: adjuster arrives and takes notes- then they issue a check, which is refused when compared to contractor bids, which means the adjuster comes back out- and then issues a check in the neighborhood of what's required.... then... you 'get' the check, and send it to the mortgage company who sits on it long enough for it to expire, so you gotta go back to the insurance company and get another and send it to the mortgage company... they then sit on it until you present receipts for work done, and if you're lucky it'll only take a week or so... if not, you'll have a pissed off contractor who may or may not do any more work for you as he has (due to the storm) literally a hundred people lined up for work.  better to have cash in hand and bill the mortgage company after the fact, which is the only way to ensure repairs happen in a timely manner- and by timely manner i mean within a year of when it happened.  

it's killing me.  

and, i've GOT to use a contractor even though i can do as good a job as they can myself.  seriously. but i don't have time to do so.  every day (and rainstorm) expounds on the damages already done, which means you've got to go BACK to the insurance company and it all starts over again.  furthermore, they won't 'pay' me for the work... let's say there is $10k worth of damages as bid by a contractor and supported by the insurer.. let's estimate $3k of that is material and $7k labor.  If I do the work, they will only pay for the receipts and will keep the other $7k- it WILL NOT be taken off my note.  SO- where is the incentive to do it myself? ..... it ain't there, that's where.  

i've still been doing a lot myself, though.  it's either that or live in squalor, which i can't bring myself to do.  but that's okay- the 'insurance' is going to pay me back whether they know it or not.  i've got a deal worked out with the contractor that's perfectly legal, as reviewed by my wife (an attorney).   
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 28, 2019, 02:29:30 PM
Yeah, we did 4 remodels in our old place, plus odds and ends. It's a pain in the ass. Master bath, powder room, fireplace and kitchen. All of these affect the quality of life - especially the master and kitchen. Those were painful.


$25K for a kitchen, with appliances, is a deal. Don't complain about that one CDawg. You're getting off good.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 28, 2019, 02:37:54 PM
I might remodel my kitchen in the next 3 - 5 years or 10 if I don't sell and move south next to Utee.

$25K seems like a bargain w/o appliances, and my kitchen is small
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 28, 2019, 02:41:09 PM
Look into the cabinets. That's where the big money is. You don't need Omega or the like. Something like J&K is really good, and about 1/3 the price.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 28, 2019, 03:03:41 PM
something from Menards or Lowes

I'm looking forward to the granite slab countertops, I'll splurge on those
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 28, 2019, 03:18:28 PM
We live in a condo, it's a fairly small kitchen.  There is a breakfast nook included that has cabinets.  The kitchen is open on three sides, counting the nook, and has a pass through to the dining area.

We already bought a fridge and are keeping the dishwasher.  I don't know the brand of cabinetry, but the nice lady said they were "middle-upper" in quality and price, not like Woodmode.

They are still pounding away.  They have to be out of the building by 4:30.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 28, 2019, 03:22:45 PM
I recommend quartz. I've got granite now, in the rental, but I miss my old stuff. Very nice stuff. Could put a red-hot cast iron skillet on that stuff with no worries. Granite not so much, and it also requires a lot of upkeep.


The stuff we had was black and looked like slate.


From our Zillow pictures:


(https://photos.zillowstatic.com/p_f/IS2jfr64aqzdr71000000000.jpg)
(https://photos.zillowstatic.com/p_f/ISaph3paey7br71000000000.jpg)
Master (same stuff, only in white)

(https://photos.zillowstatic.com/p_f/ISy7o38uqmw2r71000000000.jpg)
(https://photos.zillowstatic.com/p_f/ISivjf7hi6g8r71000000000.jpg)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 28, 2019, 03:24:18 PM
For the life of me, I can't understand why cabinets are so $*#&ing expensive. It's wood and hinges. The material isn't expensive. I don't think every cabinet is hand-crafted by artisans. It seems that the price is WAY out of line with the production cost.

Same thing with lamps. Why are lamps expensive? I'm an electrical engineer, and I know what goes into a lamp. A socket, a length of wire, and a switch. The other materials and processes used in building lamps aren't expensive either. Yet lamps are expensive. 

The company I work for builds some of the most technologically intricate and advanced devices in the world, capable of storing terabytes of data on microscopic little bits of magnetic material. It involves hundreds of PhDs within the company, and is about as interdisciplinary of a field as exists, requiring electrical, computer, metallurgy, materials science, aerodynamics, and then producing them in huge quantities and making them reliable.

And yet a hard drive costs less than a stupid $*#&ing lamp.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 28, 2019, 03:43:38 PM
Badge,

Thanks for the recommendation on the quartz.

This is the local shop I'll get my countertops from.  https://haberltilestone.com/gallery/ (https://haberltilestone.com/gallery/)

Looks like they have done a bathroom for UNL.  Maybe I'll go BIG RED.

(https://haberltilestonecom.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/img_2817.jpg)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 28, 2019, 03:45:18 PM
Always consider resale, unless you're gonna die in that place...
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 28, 2019, 03:46:09 PM
The kitchen is now gone with the wind, at least the cabinets and molding is gone.

That was probably the dirtiest part of the job and we didn't get much dust.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 28, 2019, 03:46:34 PM
Always consider resale, unless you're gonna die in that place...
Plan to be carried out of this place, or rolled out, or whatever.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 28, 2019, 03:47:45 PM
plenty of good Husker fans around these parts

but, yes, I'm more conservative on my colors and patterns

and I might die in this place, unless I move in next to Utee
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 28, 2019, 05:09:40 PM
I look forward to customizing a place again, someday. It's a lot of fun, before and after, that is.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 28, 2019, 05:14:21 PM
My office, which is a bedroom really, has the infamous popcorn ceilings.  So does the wife's.

The rest of the house had the scourge removed.  The wife wants to redo my ceiling.  Should I?  I fear it generates a LOT of dust.  I don't really look up very often anyway.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 28, 2019, 05:22:06 PM
I think it could be cheaper and less messy to simply have a guy come and mud over the popcorn.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 28, 2019, 05:31:15 PM
I don't really look up very often

I'd leave it

the ceilings in my house could use some work, but.......... I don't have the ambition
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 28, 2019, 06:55:43 PM
I think it could be cheaper and less messy to simply have a guy come and mud over the popcorn.
She also wants four can lights added to the room.  I think I'm going to nix it.  The room does not have a ceiling light at all with is a minor annoyance.   I think that most of the time they grind off the popcorn as easier and faster than mudding.

https://www.thisoldhouse.com/ideas/3-ways-to-deal-popcorn-ceiling
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on January 28, 2019, 07:09:19 PM
I've sprayed it with a solution and brushed it off after it dries which is the easiest.. I've used flat metal spade and scraped it off while having hose of shop vac taped to handle. I've used wire brush to do it. No matter how it's done, it's a messy job.  Plastic and tape door and windows to room with everything you need inside to contain the mess is all you can do... I hate that stuff ..all but three rooms in my home has it, and I'll give you one guess why it's still there .
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on January 28, 2019, 08:54:29 PM
Heh, I just paid for our cabinets.  Anything custom is going to make it pricey .  Even within custom there is so much variance in trim style, inset or overlay.  Thickness, etc etc.  Drawer types, styles.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on January 28, 2019, 09:04:58 PM
Also a big proponent of quartz too . 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 28, 2019, 09:39:15 PM
I'm guessing Quartz is at least 3x more than granite

don't think I'll need custom cabinets, just want to replace what I have.  Can't imagine they were custom.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on January 28, 2019, 09:58:12 PM
<br />(https://i.ibb.co/smVV3Sh/laundry-cab-mold.jpg) (https://ibb.co/smVV3Sh)<br />

<br />(https://i.ibb.co/Pjcq7sq/wrap-drawer.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Pjcq7sq)<br />

<br />(https://i.ibb.co/FhK1vX5/kit-island.jpg) (https://ibb.co/FhK1vX5)<br />
That can differ, based on amounts, supply and install.   In this house build I've seen that go both ways when shopping.  We like the look of the quartz where we are willing to spend on a counter.  

re: cabinet costs.  Here's a look at some of the laundry/craft room cabinets (the white) her gift wrap paper drawer is one way to make it cost more.    Soft close doors, beaded inset drawers,  It gets out of hand. I tease my wife, we are building a new house because she wants a large laundry room and large mudroom.   Then my wife's daring turquoise kitchen island.  That's one half of the sonnaofagun.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 28, 2019, 10:17:10 PM
I'm guessing Quartz is at least 3x more than granite

don't think I'll need custom cabinets, just want to replace what I have.  Can't imagine they were custom.
??
More like the same price of granite, or less.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on January 28, 2019, 10:29:24 PM
Yep, in its slab form,  most granite and quartz are fairly comparable in price, in my fairly intense shopping this past fall.  It begins to vary once you start picking slabs, fabricating, and install.  Granite is marginally more expensive to install.  Now, you could find some style of quartz and find a style of granite that is 2x, and vice versa, but that's cherry picking to prove a point.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 28, 2019, 11:08:07 PM
I was truly guessing based on what was recommended

this is good news.  I'm a cheapskate.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 29, 2019, 06:03:28 AM
Spec cabinets are cheaper and can be very nice.  They just won't fit odd spaces efficiently.  As our kitchen is smallish, and has some odd spaces, we went with purpose built cabinetry to maximize storage.

We did spec cabinets in our old house when we did the kitchen and they were nice.

There also is a thing they call quartzite that is a decent option. Quartz is manufactured stone.

https://countertopguides.com/guides/quartz-vs-quartzite-countertops.html



Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on January 29, 2019, 07:59:56 AM
I got a quote from a couple of carpenters to custom-build cabinets and bookshelves into a couple of niches that surround my fireplace.  The lowest bid that came back was about $5,000.  

So I bought unfinished stock cabinets from the box store, finished them myself to match the fireplace surround millwork, built out extra millwork and trim to mount them flush into the niches, and installed custom bookshelves above.  All for about $600.  

And since one of those two niches happens to be the best place in the house to put our Christmas tree, I made the cabinet on that side removeable and mobile, with casters hidden behind the apron trim at the bottom.  It's pretty cool, if I do say so myself. :)

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on January 29, 2019, 08:05:41 AM
That's very industrious.   We like to rearrange a room in our current house and that would be cool to have a detachable cabinet like that for a tree or other reasons.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on January 29, 2019, 08:07:56 AM
I once stood in a house on the beach of Emerald Isle, owned by a restaurateur and former LPGA player, and her girlfriend who happened to be a former UT Lady Vol, and remarked about their cabinets in the kitchen that had just been remodeled.  the wood appeared synthetic to me, and closely matched a stock on a shotgun i owned.  the grain was wavy and had/has lots of color in it from gray to green, almost yellow to deep browns.... turns out it was some exotic African wood and those cabinets (given it was a sizable kitchen with a center island with more cabinets than my entire kitchen) cost them in excess of $115k... My jaw hit the freakin' floor.  If I was so wealthy I had an account with several million dollars somewhere i'd just 'forgot about', I STILL wouldn't consider spending that much.   
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on January 29, 2019, 08:15:51 AM
re: counter tops

I really like concrete counters.  you can get into whatever shape you want, color it throughout and inlay whatever you want, infuse it with anything from stones to glass.. it is spectacularly strong if using the correct mix/ratio.  you can pour in place or do it offsite and transport- I prefer in place.  I've done several in the last couple years, mostly outside kitchens.  I have a relative who does cabinets (high quality) and as an extension started doing counters, and he loves the concrete.  he did a job at another relatives house and it is stunning.... 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 29, 2019, 08:42:44 AM
We were able to get by with all stock sizes in our kitchen. We did make several changes to the design but being a townhome there was not a lot of room for reconfiguration. It was a galley (as you can see from the pictures). We were able to extend the run of cabinets all the way to the outside wall. I wanted to take down the wall in between the kitchen and TV area, but after probing I found that all of the upstairs plumbing and a ton of HVAC were in that wall. So, no.


All told, what you see in that picture was about $6K in cabinets, plus install.


I highly recommend the fully-open Blanco sink too. Easy to clean and maintain. No staining at all.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on January 29, 2019, 09:10:29 AM
I like concrete counters, too, drew.  Although I haven't yet had the chance to install them.

We're currently in our "family home" and I really like it.  It's large, has a couple extra bedrooms, huge kitchen with an open floorplan to the great room, built-in pool and spa, and tons of other great things.  I love the neighborhood (a suburb of Austin that feels a lot more like the "small town" Austin was when I was growing up in the 70s and early 80s), I love our neighbors, I love our schools, it's really the perfect place to raise our kids.

However-- it's very traditional and although well-built, still pretty cookie-cutter McMansion-y.  And my tastes are actually QUITE modern.  So although the house is great for our purposes, it's definitely not my dream home.

One of my best friends of all time, I've known him since 4th grade and we remain great friends to this day, is an architect and specializes in modern design.  I've already told him he'll be designing my next home, which will be a "glass box" on acreage somewhere in the hill country west of Austin.   Super clean, super modern.

And it will have concrete countertops everywhere I can put them. :)
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Post by: 847badgerfan on January 29, 2019, 09:22:49 AM
Concrete will definitely handle cast iron.
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Post by: Cincydawg on January 29, 2019, 10:00:35 AM
I have "learned" that washing dishes in the bathroom sink is not easy.

My favorite wine bar in Cincy installed a concrete bar.  It was rather interesting.  They inserted bottoms of wine bottles in the concrete which was colored a dark purplish brown.  The guy doing the work explained a lot of it to me.

First time I had seen it.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on January 29, 2019, 10:14:32 AM
I think, long term, that concrete faces the same fate as Corian. I wouldn't do it. Just my opinion, of course. Stone and quartz have stood the test of time.


Because I'm curious.. Is the concrete reinforced with steel at all? Concrete is for beans, in tension. Any flex at all will cause cracking, without reinforcement. I suppose it all depends on the span, the weight of the concrete itself, and what kind of load is put on top of it.
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Post by: Drew4UTk on January 29, 2019, 10:21:56 AM
yes, it is reinforced.  some folks use rebar and tied together old fashioned style....  some use wire mesh, which is what i use.  i also use a kevlar fiber mix.  insofar as flex, this is where the mix is super important.  we're NOT talking 'quickcrete' like you would use for a sidewalk or post... the mixes intended for counters can flex some, and can resist temperature changes much better than regular concrete.... it's all about the cement in the concrete and the type of substrate.    

i assure you without qualification that if you were to see concrete and granite or even all three (adding quartz to the list) side by side, and if the concrete was done with intent to appear like the others, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference.   atop of that, you can repair concrete where it can't be detected, where as granite and quartz? ain't gonna happen... you can get it 'close', and perhaps to a degree only you will notice, but concrete? you can literally hide it where it's undetectable.

https://www.concretenetwork.com/countertop-mix/
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Post by: Drew4UTk on January 29, 2019, 10:27:36 AM
you can 'grow' granite or quartz, but let's see this done with such:

(https://www.cfb51.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fegmeetfamilyeee.info%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2018%2F04%2Fconcrete-mix-for-countertop-ask-buddy-is-the-place-to-learn-and-ask-questions-about-the-buddy-concrete-mix-concrete-pigments-and-sealers-concrete-countertop-mix-suppliers-uk.jpg&hash=a35d7988e09e3da2066cd80029f9d588)

or this, not that it's my taste, but... :
(https://www.space-time-mass.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/staining-concrete-countertops-to-look-like-granite-beautiful-how-to-make-concrete-countertops-look-like-granite-of-staining-concrete-countertops-to-look-like-granite.jpg)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 29, 2019, 10:29:26 AM
I was reading stuff 8-10 years back about how stainless steel appliances were "out".  Black was the new fad.  We were about to redo our kitchen, so I paid attention, and then went with SS.

I'm cautious about "fads".  I like concrete, but I am pretty sure some wife touring the house would say "I love the house, but we'd have to tear out that countertop and replace it with granite.".

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Post by: Cincydawg on January 29, 2019, 10:31:19 AM
We had a couple very interested in our house when it was for sale and were prepared to offer full price until the dude found his truck would not fit in the standard sized garage.  The wife had installed cabinets on the ledge and the truck would not fit now.  The cabinets of course could be removed with ease.

People buy, or don't buy, a place for bizarre reasons at times.

We sold it a week later for about 5% off asking.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 29, 2019, 10:34:07 AM
I'm cautious about "fads".  I like concrete, but I am pretty sure some wife touring the house would say "I love the house, but we'd have to tear out that countertop and replace it with granite.".


that wife certainly wouldn't bother me
would only cause me to cherish the counter top more
but, I understand about the feelings of the wife that really mattered
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on January 29, 2019, 10:35:58 AM
^Ha!!!!

One thing i've learned... I will NEVER buy a house for what i 'see in it'... I will buy it for what it IS.  

I bought the house i'm in now, all 1400sqft of it, when i was single and had a dog.. it was perfect for me and the dog.. it is far from perfect for me, three dogs, the wife and two girls one 18 the other 5... it's now around 2ksqft and since we are outside types, the bar/smoke pit and pool area's come into as much play as any interior room does- but still... I bought the place when single and based on "what i saw in it" aka "projects" as opposed to what it actually was..... 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 29, 2019, 10:40:33 AM
The wife watches the TV shows about folks buying houses.  I KNOW these are scripted and staged of course, but the comments still can be "interesting" in terms of why they chose A over B and C.  Our realtors in ATL and Cincy basically confimred these impressions.  The guy in Cincy was almost certain we had sold our house on Day One before the truck wouldn't fit.

He thought we'd have three offers in fact, but the other couples drifted off for vaguer reasons.

We finally sold it to a single guy about 35 or so, all 3500 sq ft of it.  He had insisted his Dad be able to inspect the house before he signed, which was rather odd because there was an inspection clause in the contract and he could have anyone inspect in that time period.

Seemed like a nice enough fellow at closing.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on January 29, 2019, 10:46:50 AM
Yeah, that's why we bought our current house pretty much turnkey.  The starter home was my project house and I built a lot of stuff for it.  For this one (other than the built-ins I mentioned earlier) pretty much all changes have been simple and cosmetic.

The next one will be custom-designed and custom-built, and most likely won't involve a single project for me at all.

Anyway, I see this relatively new trend of "black stainless" appliances and I just shake my head.  That look is already dated IMO and I've only seen it on showroom floors for the past 2 years or so. No thanks.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 29, 2019, 10:58:54 AM
ATLANTA (AP) — Atlantans awoke to relatively mild weather Tuesday, but forecasters warned that streets could still become icy as fans arrive for the Super Bowl, with temperatures expected to drop more than 20 degrees during the day.

More than 100 of Tuesday’s flights were canceled at Atlanta’s airport and schools were closed across the city “in an abundance of caution” ahead of the storm front, which was churning toward Georgia Tuesday just as thousands of fans begin pouring into town for Super Bowl 53.

Cincy,

Are you ready for the storm?  How far are you from the Super Bowl venue and will it cause issues for you?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 29, 2019, 11:00:32 AM
The weather report here last night was breathless.  They had some reporter out on the highways showing us brine trucks and driving up I-75 where it was .... raining.  We were in the "TRACE" snowfall area but one would have thought this was the Snowmageddon of the Century.  It's drizzling right now and about 40°F.

One reporter hoped the weather would not stop the Super Bowl (which of course is in a dome).

The governor closed state offices ahead of time.

Now, an ice storm can mess this place up bad, but a bit of snow?  Eh, and we seem to have missed even that.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 29, 2019, 11:05:36 AM
We live maybe 4 miles from the MB Dome.  So far this has been a complete nothing.

I could walk to the Dome obviously, but when I went I took MARTA (which was jam packed).

We look out on Piedmont Park which is nice as we see trees on both sides of us.  A block up the hill is major high rise buildings (not downtown).

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 29, 2019, 11:09:47 AM
if it's going to be anything at all, it should start soon
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 29, 2019, 11:24:31 AM
40°F here, clearing this afternoon and turning bitterly cold, all the way down to -6°.

OK. I've gone metric there.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 29, 2019, 11:29:39 AM
I feel lucky

sitting at zero here

everything north of here is negative

north winds at 25-30 make it seem like -20

I'll stay in my office this afternoon, bee line to my living room after work and hunker down to watch Husker hoops

a hot toddy or two may be the game time drink
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Post by: utee94 on January 29, 2019, 12:28:22 PM
44 and sunny here, should hit a high of 52 today.  To me, that's fairly cold.  Fearless probably views it as fine golfing weather.
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Post by: FearlessF on January 29, 2019, 12:40:11 PM
it's fine for long britches and a light jacket

when I was there a few weeks back it was finer

high 60's and low 70's

shorts and shirt sleeves, no jacket required

it was DERNED fine golfing weather
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 29, 2019, 12:41:26 PM
I highly recommend the fully-open Blanco sink too. Easy to clean and maintain. No staining at all.
I hate divided sinks. Maybe that was a thing before dishwashers, when people had to have one "wash" sink and one "rinse" sink, or something like that. But they need to go away.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 29, 2019, 12:43:42 PM
Now, an ice storm can mess this place up bad, but a bit of snow?  Eh, and we seem to have missed even that.
Well, even the threat of ice or snow pretty much brings Atlanta to a standstill...
But yeah, back when I was moving there in 2005, there was a bad ice storm the night before I was supposed to fly in and go to the local office for a few days. It was brutal. I was supposed to arrive mid-afternoon, and through all SORTS of wrangling with flights, eventually landed about 1 AM. 
That said, it's Tuesday. Even a bad ice storm would be cleared well before the Super Bowl. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 29, 2019, 01:23:23 PM
It's clearing up now a bit, and getting cooler, no snowpocalypse.

I've been in ice storms where I couldn't walk without holding onto something.  Driving is impossible.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on January 29, 2019, 01:48:01 PM
it's fine for long britches and a light jacket

when I was there a few weeks back it was finer

high 60's and low 70's

shorts and shirt sleeves, no jacket required

it was DERNED fine golfing weather
That was yesterday.  Old Man Winter must have shown up overnight though.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 29, 2019, 02:37:57 PM
you've got some good warm weather coming by the weekend

if not for my usual Super Bowl party and some things going on at work, I might have been headed south

could be rainy

BTW, a truck showed up with a couple pallets to unload.  My skidloader has forks but no cab or heater.  It's BRISK out there
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Post by: MarqHusker on January 29, 2019, 02:58:59 PM
I love a giant divided sink.  A 45 inch Franke.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on January 29, 2019, 03:06:29 PM
you've got some good warm weather coming by the weekend

if not for my usual Super Bowl party and some things going on at work, I might have been headed south

could be rainy

BTW, a truck showed up with a couple pallets to unload.  My skidloader has forks but no cab or heater.  It's BRISK out there
Sounds like a good time to pay someone else to do it... ;)
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Post by: FearlessF on January 29, 2019, 03:11:18 PM
Only have 6 guys to supervise, they were all out and about as directed

I was the only man left hiding in the nice warm office

the ladies in the office tell me they know nothing about running a skidloader
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Post by: 847badgerfan on January 29, 2019, 03:47:00 PM
That was yesterday.  Old Man Winter must have shown up overnight though.  
Why is it that winter is an old man, but summer is a beautiful woman? From my view, winter is a bitch on wheels.
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Post by: FearlessF on January 29, 2019, 03:59:43 PM
(https://www.cfb51.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fnetrightdaily.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F12%2FOl-Winter-NRD-600.jpg&hash=8eebbac65b6cfb9677b39e438307f4f0)
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Post by: FearlessF on January 29, 2019, 06:30:33 PM
for anyone lucky enough to be in Atlanta for the Super Bowl or for Cincy..................

https://www.mensjournal.com/travel/the-atlanta-travel-guide-where-to-go-eat-and-stay/ (https://www.mensjournal.com/travel/the-atlanta-travel-guide-where-to-go-eat-and-stay/)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: GopherRock on January 29, 2019, 06:59:03 PM
It's a balmy -15 here in Rochester, and a low in the morning of -31. Happy happy joy joy!
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 29, 2019, 07:12:35 PM
Why is it that winter is an old man, but summer is a beautiful woman? From my view, winter is a bitch on wheels.
Because in winter, old men cover their hideous bodies with heavy clothing, which we all prefer.
While in summer, beautiful women wear less and less clothing, which we all prefer.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 29, 2019, 07:35:31 PM
Because in winter, old men cover their hideous bodies with heavy clothing, which we all prefer.
While in summer, beautiful women wear less and less clothing, which we all prefer.

I'll remember this. I remember being in Madison. 
Come November, it was "where did they all go?" and come May it was "wow this is great."
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 29, 2019, 10:19:29 PM
I'll remember this. I remember being in Madison.
Come November, it was "where did they all go?" and come May it was "wow this is great."
I'd say it's better here, but once it drops below 68 all the ladies here pull out their parkas lol
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Post by: Cincydawg on January 30, 2019, 11:29:04 AM
for anyone lucky enough to be in Atlanta for the Super Bowl or for Cincy..................

https://www.mensjournal.com/travel/the-atlanta-travel-guide-where-to-go-eat-and-stay/ (https://www.mensjournal.com/travel/the-atlanta-travel-guide-where-to-go-eat-and-stay/)
We've done some of those.  I'd opine Krog Street Market is, well, overrun with young folks and too loud.  Ponce City Market is at least as good and just as hip, and we walk there fairly often.  We probably have well over 50 nice restaurants in walking distance and are still checking them out.
Such travel guides of course are one person's opinion who cannot possibly have found all the cool places in a city of 6 million, so take them with a grain of sodium chloride.  The Coke Museum is actually kinda neat and the CFB Hall of Fame is decently done, but a bit pricey.  The Beltway is an up and coming thing and has sparked a ton of development along its path, it's quite interesting really, but can be packed on nice days and sometimes bike riders nearly run you down, if the scooters don't get you.
Some of is is slated to have light rail built on it, coupled with various paths.  We are walking a lot more than we did living in the 'burbs because there is so much more to walk to.  We went to dinner last night at the local French restaurant as they have half priced wine on Tuesdays and the place was unusually quiet, apparently the Snowmageddon scared people away (I never saw a single flake.)
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Post by: MrNubbz on January 31, 2019, 08:11:15 AM
It's a balmy -15 here in Rochester, and a low in the morning of -31. Happy happy joy joy!
shit somewhere up there it hit -66,they said colder than Antarctica.That's for those wusses to discuss,grab the auger,collapsible shanty,poles and jigs and let's get a move on it
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 31, 2019, 08:54:19 AM
It's summer in Antarctica of course.

Nice day again here, sunny if slightly chilly.

I am very glad the be out of Ohio in winter.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on January 31, 2019, 08:57:35 AM
-22 right now. Yay.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 31, 2019, 09:26:53 AM
32°F and sunny, headed up to 49°F, going to get into the sixties this weekend, some rain possible.

Cold here nearly always means sunny.  Warm here usually means rain.

I was curious about our HVAC bills here in the condo.  Last month's was $125.  We're all electric, running a heat pump which I'm told is fed by heated water from a central gas heating unit.  Hot water here comes from another central gas hot water tank I'm told, so we don't have much beyond moving air around and lights.

We'd be paying $400 a month in Cincy for high efficiency gas heat and electric in winter, so this is better.  BY the time I add cable (which was $171 in Cincy, with TV, and free here) and water (about $100 a month there, free here), I'm almost no worse off considering I don't need to paint or maintain or garden etc.  The HOA went up 2% end of the year, which sounds about right.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on January 31, 2019, 09:42:55 AM
We have radiant heat in the floors here, and the pipe also runs into a radiator that is housed in a forced air unit in a closet. So we can turn that on and make it warmer, if we like, but mostly we just rely on the floor heat. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 31, 2019, 09:56:55 AM
We're having a problem with our heater. But it's not cold enough to worry about telling the property management company to fix it. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on January 31, 2019, 10:22:12 AM
Reached out to my bud in Milwaukee, thinking about that time back in '96 that we tossed boiling water in the air to make snow--the same week our heat went out (we did not wait to tell management).

He did it again last night. My California kids thought the video was so cool. SFIrish was grateful to live in California.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 31, 2019, 10:26:48 AM
Reached out to my bud in Milwaukee, thinking about that time back in '96 that we tossed boiling water in the air to make snow--the same week our heat went out (we did not wait to tell management).

He did it again last night. My California kids thought the video was so cool. SFIrish was grateful to live in California.
Several people have gone to the ER after doing the water thing. They were the ones who threw the water straight up and it didn't melt. Darwin awards are on the way.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on January 31, 2019, 10:33:33 AM
my boss works at the Pentagon- just called and asked me to drive out to his house here (north carolina) and wake his son who he couldn't raise on a telephone.

his wife (kids mother) committed suicide (shot) herself last night.   I just got back... didn't like that much, y'all... His Uncle had arrived a moment or so before us, and he told him... I wasn't going to, I was just going to tell him to call his dad NOW, and slip out.  That was an ugly scene, folks.

depression sucks, gentlemen.  hug your loved ones.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 31, 2019, 10:37:28 AM
Depression is very insidious.  I went though a period where I did not want to get better, I didn't want much of anything at all out of life.  I had to tell my girls they were pretty much on their on other than having the bills paid.  I managed to get through it with some help.  I think not caring is one of the worst things to experience, complete apathy about life.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 31, 2019, 11:23:09 AM
Reached out to my bud in Milwaukee, thinking about that time back in '96 that we tossed boiling water in the air to make snow--the same week our heat went out (we did not wait to tell management).

He did it again last night. My California kids thought the video was so cool. SFIrish was grateful to live in California.
My cousin posted herself doing that on Instagram last night. She'd lived out here in SoCal for a year teaching, but lo and behold, it's not easy to live here on a teacher's salary. 
So she went back to Chippewa Falls.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on January 31, 2019, 12:23:23 PM
Several people have gone to the ER after doing the water thing. They were the ones who threw the water straight up and it didn't melt. Darwin awards are on the way.
We were smart enough at the time (and he was last night) to throw away from ourselves (being sober helped both times). There are risks in a lot of things, and mitigation, too. :-)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 31, 2019, 12:27:48 PM
We were smart enough at the time (and he was last night) to throw away from ourselves (being sober helped both times). There are risks in a lot of things, and mitigation, too. :-)

I'd hope so, counselor. ;)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 31, 2019, 12:58:08 PM
Mizzou hit with 2 year bowl ban.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 31, 2019, 01:16:54 PM
Mizzou hit with 2 year bowl ban.
Thank goodness North Carolina hasn't had any academic improprieties. Otherwise there would be hell to pay.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on January 31, 2019, 01:19:16 PM
The UNC thing was rather strange to me, they apparently slid by because it wasn't just athletes skating.

So, if you have crip courses for athletes that the general pop also takes, it's OK.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 31, 2019, 01:27:16 PM
Lesson:



The NCAA doesn't hammer blue bloods.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on January 31, 2019, 01:38:45 PM
I'll never forget Bob Stoops in an interview after they slammed his team for 'wash gate' and on the heels of USC/Bush- he said "the takeaway for me is simple.  I'll never self report again". 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on January 31, 2019, 02:36:20 PM
Mizzou hit with 2 year bowl ban.
I'm guessing Kelly Bryant is on the move again
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on January 31, 2019, 02:38:35 PM
Also means any Missouri player with 1 or 2 years of eligibility remaining can transfer immediately correct?

We could use some SEC speed in East Lansing
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on January 31, 2019, 02:40:29 PM
we could use some SEC speed @ Tennessee..... 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 31, 2019, 02:47:12 PM
Also means any Missouri player with 1 or 2 years of eligibility remaining can transfer immediately correct?

We could use some SEC speed in East Lansing
Was looking at their TE's actually, since UW is losing one to transfer itself. I like the kid who also had an MSU offer.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on January 31, 2019, 02:52:37 PM
several years ago now, not long after Mizzou joined the SEC, i was at disney over Christmas... standing in line for a ride and behind three Mizzou players... big ol' rascals, and would guess them linebackers or TE's.  turns out they were DB's.   I recall thinking at the time that on tv and comparing them to their opponents on the field, Mizzou was really small across the board in comparison..... and here these DB's were every bit as tall and likely just slightly lighter than I am (though they are constructed with far less fluff)... 

eh, ^just an anecdote.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 31, 2019, 03:00:30 PM
Also means any Missouri player with 1 or 2 years of eligibility remaining can transfer immediately correct?

We could use some SEC speed in East Lansing
Lincoln might be close to home for those kids
plenty of needs and shallow depth chart for playing time
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 31, 2019, 03:56:01 PM
Anyone have any good dishes for Super Bowl? 

For this one it's just my wife and I, no kids, no others. Thinking of one appetizer that we can have prepped before the game starts and something that is easy to cook unattended [like a crock pot meal] for the dinner. But we've done chili a lot lately, so might want to avoid that and try something new...
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 31, 2019, 04:29:25 PM
I had chili

another idea would be Zuppa soup like Olive Garden - could be appetizer or dinner
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 31, 2019, 04:30:39 PM
Anyone have any good dishes for Super Bowl?

For this one it's just my wife and I, no kids, no others. Thinking of one appetizer that we can have prepped before the game starts and something that is easy to cook unattended [like a crock pot meal] for the dinner. But we've done chili a lot lately, so might want to avoid that and try something new...
I'm making Cioppino.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 31, 2019, 04:35:58 PM
I like your Cioppino better than my Zuppa
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on January 31, 2019, 05:26:31 PM
Yeah, I'd have to find a crock pot version of Zuppa Toscana. I have an Instant Pot version, but that's something that can't be just thrown in before the game. 

But that might work. It's supposed to be a high of 57 and raining on Sunday, so that's decent weather for soup.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 31, 2019, 05:30:12 PM
I like your Cioppino better than my Zuppa
Thank you. I've refined it since you had it back in 2011, so I like it even better. Easier to prepare in a kitchen than a parking lot too.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on January 31, 2019, 06:47:28 PM
my Zuppa has been refined for the better as well

parking lots are better for burgers, chops, and brats
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 31, 2019, 07:02:25 PM
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/despite-the-missouri-punishments-its-clear-no-one-actually-wants-to-solve-academic-fraud/


Interesting take. <<<Channels inner George Carlin>>> F UNC too.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on January 31, 2019, 09:26:55 PM
I'll never forget Bob Stoops in an interview after they slammed his team for 'wash gate' and on the heels of USC/Bush- he said "the takeaway for me is simple.  I'll never self report again".
Drew:
I'm not disputing your story, but could you refresh my memory on that one?  I can't remember ever hearing about "wash gate."
Memory is fallible, of course.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 01, 2019, 06:29:07 AM
When I was an undergrad (early '70s) certain course were KNOWN to be "easy", one was Geology 101, called "Rocks for Jocks".  The professor was apparently a big football fan.  I had a buddy who signed up for it expecting an easy A and found himself in a class taught by a different professor.  He told me most of the class dropped in the first week, as did he.

I think today the "tutors" know a curriculum that meets NCAA guidelines, and the players take certain classes known to be easy so they can get along but don't really lead to a substantive degree, we see majors now called "Consumer Economics".  In my day, Spanish was a common major for players.

Even the smarter players who would have gone to college without football mostly take it easy given their time demands for playing football.  We almost never see majors like Engineering or science or math.  And many of these kids were BMOC in High School and got used to teacher's passing them on with a "C" because they played football.  That happened in my day also in HS.  And some of them attended poor high schools of course, of which there are many.

What to do?  I dunno, up to the university I guess, if they want to offer crip courses that mean nothing, I guess it will happen, always.  It's bad when a pretty good school like UNC does it of course, but hardly unexpected to me.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on February 01, 2019, 07:16:41 AM
Anyone have any good dishes for Super Bowl?
Trail mix and Pabst.....Actually Cindy's friend dropped off some smoked Slovenian sausage and pork butt from her son's BBQ stand,already sampled - scrumptious
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 01, 2019, 07:23:26 AM
Anyone know how to report on the tax form money "borrowed" from an IRA and then replenished inside 60 days?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 01, 2019, 07:38:14 AM
Anyone know how to report on the tax form money "borrowed" from an IRA and then replenished inside 60 days?
I did this too, while waiting on a distribution but needed $$ for another investment, quickly. Paid it within 5 weeks.

I was told that if it went to 61 days, I'd get a 1099. Never got one, so never reported it.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 01, 2019, 08:10:36 AM
My withdrawal did generate a 1099 from Schwab, so I'm stuck.  Someone told me to file Form X, but I can't find it anywhere.  Schwab is up the street so I'll stroll by later, supposed to be a nice day.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on February 01, 2019, 08:26:10 AM
Nothing like getting tax/investment advice from anonymous sources on the web - what could possibly go wrong ;D
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 01, 2019, 08:30:35 AM
I'm just asking if anyone happens to know the form number, not tax advice.

I tried the usual and didn't find it.  I use Turbotax so maybe it's in there, I don't know yet.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 01, 2019, 09:02:27 AM
https://finance.zacks.com/report-ira-distribution-refunded-within-60-days-7619.html

Crap, my box 2 shows it all as taxable.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Riffraft on February 01, 2019, 09:12:31 AM
If you reinvested in an IRA you should received a form 5498 from them showing the contribution. However you probably won't receive it until May since you have until april 15 to contribute to an IRA and have it count toward last tax year.

Just so you know you don't have to have the form when you file your taxes. Your tax program should give you a place to show if you reinvested a distribution and do the calculations for you.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 01, 2019, 09:52:42 AM
I have not booted up the tax program yet, I'm still organizing my information.  I have a pretty clear record "on line", came out 4/17 and replenished 6/4.

It was a substantial sum I needed free in case my loan on the condo didn't come through in time.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 01, 2019, 09:58:08 AM
https://www.history.com/news/coldest-day-temperatures-in-us-history?fbclid=IwAR1ySCl6hSsSJTxLkDS8UX7h2Pm3Nv2D43ff6_44a_79LAUoOA3rIZW28Ds
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on February 01, 2019, 10:13:23 AM
wasn't it TurboTax and HRBlock software that was lit up by a class action lawsuit?  They, in short, 'hid deductions' from users, and miscalculated others that gave the IRS advantage every time

I used TurboTax for some filings but not for personal.. for personal I use(d) taxact.  I continue to use it as i can import years and years of taxes.  The problem, however, is that taxact has gotten as popular as turbotax and have also started to make some deductions more difficult to get to... i can compare former years and see the path to the deduction plainly, and i can reference the IRS to ensure the deduction is still available, but the newer (started three years ago) taxact (just like turbotax and HRBlock before them) have made accessing those deductions more difficult.  That, to me, is pure BS.  

... and here is the thing: if i had not been using taxact way back when, i'd have never known about those deductions to begin with.  they are buried layers and layers deep, but taxact (used to)pre-populate the required information in every place needed... i.e. they would offer you the lower level form instead of making you populate every form in between first- then ask you what it needed to populate the 'missing' (if any) information in the 'in between' forms if it required it.

i was audited back in '09 i think it was... it got hairy enough i secured an advocate to assist.  When my day of review came, the advocate reported following "they said your taxes were as complete as any they've ever seen".  I got an additional $310 back due to the item in question that spawned the situation (a 1099 my former wife received when she cashed out of an investment, and never told me about so it wasn't included in the filings- it was hers, but we had filed jointly- she purchased the stocks w/post tax dollars and i had to prove to the IRS it didn't fall out of the sky into my lap giving us a $15k return on a $0 investment- once demonstrated she actually lost money on it, they were more forgiving... pain in my arse, though, explaining all that and proving it to them.).... Because my taxes (thanks to taxact) were so complete and well documented, I was pretty much in and out- they didn't have to contact me to question this or question that to wrap it up in one day (after almost a year of waiting for that one day).    
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 01, 2019, 10:23:39 AM
I find Turbotax to be effective and efficient.  It downloads my brokerage statements directly from my account.  I suspect the others do this as well, but it's a huge help, and of course also reads my previous year's forms.  I know of no "hidden deductions" I might have taken.  I try and stay up on taxes and have had an expert review them a couple of times, and been quasi-audited twice.

I have read that this year the percentage of folks itemizing will drop from 30% to 5%.  If so, we might expect a concomitant decline in charitable donations as that is realized, and some complaints by folks who can no longer itemize beneficially.  Of course, this is a result of the increased in the standard deduction.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on February 01, 2019, 10:36:48 AM
the deductions aren't 'hidden' so much as they're just hard to get to using the ui/ux of the application.  

one of them, as a for instance, is deducting the actual cost of operating a (small) fleet of vehicles.  both applications, using schedule C, used to make access to 'standard mileage' deduction fairly easy- but the three trucks i was running at the time blew through that like it was cool with all the maintenance and such- and the cost to run them was the premise of 'margin' for that ventures value.  If you choose 'standard mileage' for one of them one year, you must claim standard for the life of that vehicle.  if you choose 'actual' for that vehicle prior, you can choose either- but as soon as you choose 'standard' you're stuck with it..... there are times when selecting the standard rate bumped margin's slightly, but if that truck is going to be requiring repairs or replacement of a consumable item (tires, brakes, hydraulic system ect) in the near future you may want to eat the 'loss' of choosing 'actual' because the next year the actual costs will be far greater than the standard... using turbotax i had to handjam the forms in for this and then adjust every cascade it impacted- and couldn't file electronically because of that... had to print and review, and mail it off... w/taxact it was right there under my nose (well, it used to be).   Beginning last year TaxAct started making that more difficult- BUT- because i imported the year prior i could go right to it.  meaning: it's there- it's in the application- but you ain't getting to it without the 'import' function of its prior use.  THAT, is what i call BS on. 

insofar as this year and the coming years, yeah- for personal taxes using itemized deductions may become a thing of the past.  it sure seems that is their intent.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 01, 2019, 10:55:03 AM
I HATED Schedule C when my wife owned her business.  Yuck.  That went out with the wife when we divorced.

She kept horrible records so I was mostly guessing.  I graciously went with her to her new tax preparer the next year to review what I had done.  He looked at my return briefly and said it looked fine.  There is no way I got it right, this was well before software was available.  I built my own Excel spreadsheets to do the calculations.  

I had some MLPs for a while and hated them as well as the forms didn't come until much later.  I dumped them also.

Now my stuff is fairly simple in theory.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 01, 2019, 11:03:02 AM
My withdrawal did generate a 1099 from Schwab, so I'm stuck.  Someone told me to file Form X, but I can't find it anywhere.  Schwab is up the street so I'll stroll by later, supposed to be a nice day.
Good move. Let them handle it.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 01, 2019, 11:09:47 AM
If you reinvested in an IRA you should received a form 5498 from them showing the contribution. However you probably won't receive it until May since you have until april 15 to contribute to an IRA and have it count toward last tax year.

Just so you know you don't have to have the form when you file your taxes. Your tax program should give you a place to show if you reinvested a distribution and do the calculations for you.

Yes, this is true, for the monies that were put back in, which will offset the withdrawal. Penalties are another thing, for those of us under 59.5.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 01, 2019, 11:34:32 AM
Trail mix and Pabst.....Actually Cindy's friend dropped off some smoked Slovenian sausage and pork butt from her son's BBQ stand,already sampled - scrumptious
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/-QVt4BuWjEk/maxresdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Riffraft on February 01, 2019, 01:53:46 PM
I have not booted up the tax program yet, I'm still organizing my information.  I have a pretty clear record "on line", came out 4/17 and replenished 6/4.

It was a substantial sum I needed free in case my loan on the condo didn't come through in time.


I did the same thing this year. I took out a large payment out of my 401k to put as a down payment on the house I was buying since the house I was selling wouldn't close until after I closed on the new one. Once I closed on the old one I put the same amount of the money that I withdrew and put it in an IRA. I have done similar things in the past and haven't had a problem. As long as you can document that it was done within 60 days, there shouldn't be any issues.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 01, 2019, 02:11:50 PM
Trying to decide if I should find a new tax system / accountant. I had an accountant from many years back when my ex had a business, on top of us having a house, and the taxes were a lot more complicated. I ended up sticking with them, even though my typical tax preparation bill was ~$400 annually, assuming that at the very least I had an expert working on it. 

Now that I'm remarried, and we rent, I think the taxes will be CONSIDERABLY simpler than they ever were in the past, especially with some of the new tax law changes. But I want to make sure I don't miss things...

Anyone have recommendations?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 01, 2019, 02:14:28 PM
I'm still paying one of the best firms in the area way too much money to do my taxes.  Some things are simplifying for me after 2019 and then after 2020.

I'll probably go to turbo tax or another on-line service and save $$$

I use those services to help my daughters file.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Riffraft on February 01, 2019, 03:21:34 PM
Trying to decide if I should find a new tax system / accountant. I had an accountant from many years back when my ex had a business, on top of us having a house, and the taxes were a lot more complicated. I ended up sticking with them, even though my typical tax preparation bill was ~$400 annually, assuming that at the very least I had an expert working on it.

Now that I'm remarried, and we rent, I think the taxes will be CONSIDERABLY simpler than they ever were in the past, especially with some of the new tax law changes. But I want to make sure I don't miss things...

Anyone have recommendations?
Certainly don't want to take away business (I have my own accounting business) but if that is all you have, I would recommend using turbotax. It would walk you through your return. Th only thing you would get from a CPA is a second set of eyes and someone who will sign off on it.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 01, 2019, 03:26:23 PM
A LOT of folks who itemized last year will not this year.  A simple 1040A filing should suffice for many of them.  You might need Schedule D for stocks etc.

I forget what D is now, and B, one or the other.  

I have most of the wife's financials now, she mostly does her own thing though I manage her IRAs.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 01, 2019, 03:31:34 PM
The wife and I were out today, it's nice, and went to Costco (where I spent too much money on vino).  We have no kitchen, and no sink, which is amazingly problematic, just a microwave and a grill outside.  Anyway, we both noticed heightened police presence everywhere, like at a mall we passed and on the highway.  I'm guessing the MARTA police are out in force, and the concert area out at Atlantic Center appeared to be hopping.

The Game will feature roughly 80,000 people in the stadium, not really a significant number, but I hear that hundreds of thousands come to town for the game.  Why is that exactly?  The side shows?  The local news is consumed with this, street closures and whatever else.

We will be hunkered down in situ of course.  Oddly enough we have a friend from France of all places coming to see the game, she's about 20 and knows nothing about football, long story.  

Anyway, this strikes me as a bit odd.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 01, 2019, 04:02:06 PM
The accountant who does my business does my personal as part of the yearly fee. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Riffraft on February 01, 2019, 04:38:49 PM
A LOT of folks who itemized last year will not this year.  A simple 1040A filing should suffice for many of them.  You might need Schedule D for stocks etc.

I forget what D is now, and B, one or the other.  

I have most of the wife's financials now, she mostly does her own thing though I manage her IRAs.
There actually isn't a 1040A or 1040EZ anymore. Just a 1040
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 01, 2019, 04:55:00 PM
I'll be itemizing, even with the limits on state and local taxes (which absolutely SUCK for Illinois residents/dipshits).
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 01, 2019, 04:58:26 PM
https://smartasset.com/taxes/all-about-irs-form-1040a

I learned something here, once again.

The new law consolidated the forms 1040, 1040A and 1040EZ into one redesigned Form 1040 (https://smartasset.com/taxes/how-to-fill-out-your-1040-form) that all filers can use. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 01, 2019, 08:54:31 PM
simplifying things???

naaww
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 02, 2019, 11:53:43 AM
Today here is mostly sunny with a high expected to reach 67°F.  I take a perverse pleasure in checking Cincy weather (34°F and cloudy at the moment).

The wife and I don't mind some winter "chill" at times but really enjoy having days like today interspersed.  We didn't especially want Florida weather though we did check out Jacksonville a bit.

I really suffered in those long, gray, cold winters for 40 years.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on February 02, 2019, 02:21:37 PM
The accountant who does my business does my personal as part of the yearly fee.
That is how we roll with my wife's accountant too.  I think I would commit malpractice if I did it myself.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 02, 2019, 03:42:16 PM
I sat my ex when she did her first round of taxes "on her own" with some accountant.  My notion was that he could only do as good a job as she was able to provide records.  She had no clue about taxes and brought in shoe boxes full of irrelevant receipts.  He remained quite pleasant, which I infer is a big part of his job.  She owned her own business, so schedule C was the main thing.  He asked me quite a few questions about the previous year's return and what was what, she had bought a van for her business for example.  Well, I bought it, but it was for her business.

My GUESS is most folks who go to H&R Block in Walmart bring all sorts of unneeded pieces of paper.  If you don't bring in the right sort of forms obviously your accountant won't be able to do it right.  I try and keep up on the basics of tax law so I can minimize my tax burden.  I usually do the usual tax loss selling in November, for example.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on February 02, 2019, 04:06:15 PM
The accountant is great particularly in providing his organizer questionnaire which helps identify all relevant actions, dispositions and relevant deductions. Makes for a pretty efficient process all things considered. Their tax white papers are great too.

Fwiw, plenty of quality open end and managed vehicles out there to get MLP exposure w/o fussing w K-1s.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 02, 2019, 05:20:25 PM
Yeah, I just kind of soured on the MLP angle.  They had a nice yield, but they seemed to go down in price all the time for me.

I have the Yogi Berra investment philosophy.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 03, 2019, 03:04:31 PM
The wife and I went out for brunch, and it being a nice albeit cloudy day, walked through the heart of midtown.  There are police everywhere, as if something big is happening.  (We dined about 2 miles north of the stadium.)  Two guys in the restaurant had SB tickets around their necks.  People are everywhere also, as are limos, black Escalades mostly.  I understand hotel rooms were jacked up, no shock, and are sold out.  We walked by a new place call City Tap Room and took a tour, nice set up, 56 beers on tap, which is adequate, a lot of TVs but classier looking than a typical sports bar.

Patriots jerseys outnumbered Rams jerseys probably 5:1.  I did see a fair number of Gurley jerseys.  I was slightly surprised to see so many football jerseys from a lot of different teams.  There is a large Four Seasons hotel near us that had I'm guessing 10 of the black limos outside and another place that had three spiffy looking large buses, which might be where one of the teams stayed, not sure.  Yesterday I saw 3 planes and a helo dragging advertising banners, today I only saw helos, sounding and looking like security.

We get a lot of folks out when the weather is nice but today it's probably 2x normal.  Peachtree Road was closed below about 8th street, it's kind of the main drag, I didn't get over to see the freeway, it could be packed on a normal Sunday.

I gather they had a rock concert last night not far from us at Atlantic Station, which is about 2 miles NW of us.  There was a small protest in the park we passed yesterday about something, the paper said 150 people were there, it was really about 40.  We saw probably 25 police officers at both ends, one guy with binos was eyeing two white dudes with backpacks wearing camo when we walked by.  Apparently some skinhead types wanted to protest out at Stone Mountain Park so they closed the entire park for the day.  Counterprotesters showed up and marched through the small town nearby but no skinheads showed up.

The bar next door is hopping and packed.  It was LOUD last night until about 10 when they don't close but go quiet somehow.  With the warm weather all the places have opened their outside seating which usually is shrouded so they can heat the space in winter.

I'm somewhat surprised what a Big Deal this is considering they only have about 75,000 seats in the place.  I read a ticket is nearly $3,000 now for nosebleeds.  I paid $280 for a nosebleed seat for the SEC CG.  I was half tempted to walk further down towards the stadium but the wife demurred.  I wonder what MARTA is like right now.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 03, 2019, 03:19:44 PM
I'd like to attend a SB some day, but $3 large for a ticket is silly

$600 for a round of golf at Pebble is silly, but I could stomach that
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 04, 2019, 08:03:48 AM
I watched the SB, mostly, I dozed off a bit for some reason. I almost never watch it.

1.  Had I not watched it, I would be fine.  There was some good defense of course and that Edleman guy for Boston was good at getting open.
2.  I had some notion Todd Gurley played for the Rams but they must have traded him or something.
3.  If the halftime music is indicative of popular music today, I am not missing anything.  It was jazzed up music, very predictable and noncreative.
4.  The outside shots were kind of neat at times how they had certain buildings lit up, good idea really, cheap advertising.
5.  I feel no particular or unusual inclination to go buy a Mercedes, or Bud Light.
6.  I didn't notice a single commercial that I thought was radical or innovative.
7.  The wife watched a bit with me and was asking about the positions of some of the players.  We talked about whether they could watch it in France or not.  Answer is maybe.
8.  If you are used to soccer and rugby, this is going to look very odd as a sport.  I'd hate to try and explain it to someone of that ilk.
9.  It's sunny here and supposed to be pretty nice today.  I assume most are "getting out of town" today.
10.  There is no ten, but I have ten fingers.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 04, 2019, 08:36:43 AM
I was at a party and didn't watch a minute. How did James White do?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on February 04, 2019, 09:09:22 AM
I was at a party and didn't watch a minute. How did James White do?
He didn't do anything.  Granted neither offense did much, but he had 9 total yards.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: fezzador on February 04, 2019, 09:18:44 AM
I only watched part of the game, but from what I could gather the Patriots were clearly superior last night.  They could - or even should - have blown the game wide open, but ended up settling for FG attempts or simply stalling in their opponent's territory.  Probably should have been something like 27-3 instead of 13-3. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 04, 2019, 09:25:31 AM
https://247sports.com/college/georgia/Article/College-football-signing-day-2019-why-recruiting-matters-128646121/?fbclid=IwAR3kGUpY17IedAhukCkfLNGweWxYTifF8G6OK5X0-4oA5vA5YeWonYByxEM

Some expected notions about how recruiting is important, nothing you don't already know I suspect.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on February 04, 2019, 09:49:19 AM
I only watched part of the game, but from what I could gather the Patriots were clearly superior last night.  They could - or even should - have blown the game wide open, but ended up settling for FG attempts or simply stalling in their opponent's territory.  Probably should have been something like 27-3 instead of 13-3.  
Their first 3 drives they were.  Ran the ball well on their first drive, but Brady threw a pick.  Then they missed a FG.  Then they had to settle for a FG.  Could have easily been 13-0 or 17-0 early, but was only 3-0.  After that neither offense did much, save one drive for the rest of the game.  Patriots probably got away with a soft PI on the play before the pick, but the Rams offense was so bad, it would have felt wrong to put them at the 2 with a penalty anyway.

I'm usually the guy to defend good defense in low scoring games.  That wasn't the case last night, both offenses were simply awful.  Particularly for an indoor game.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 04, 2019, 09:53:34 AM
The Patriots were much more effective on offense obviously.  There were some holes at times for the running backs and Edleman was uncoverable.  I've rarely seen a WR get so open against "good" defense.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Entropy on February 04, 2019, 10:47:10 AM
"football guys" and ex-players I follow on twitter seem very complimentary to Edleman's ability to use his body, run routes and put DB's in bad positions.   It felt from reading their posts that it was just as much about Edleman's abilities to run routes as it was schemes or things the Rams were doing wrong in D.   

Ram's D played well most of the night.  They just wore out in the 4th.    
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 04, 2019, 11:05:22 AM
"football guys" and ex-players I follow on twitter seem very complimentary to Edleman's ability to use his body, run routes and put DB's in bad positions.   It felt from reading their posts that it was just as much about Edleman's abilities to run routes as it was schemes or things the Rams were doing wrong in D.  

Ram's D played well most of the night.  They just wore out in the 4th.    
Steroids help bodies like Edleman's.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 04, 2019, 11:30:49 AM
I was glad to see Sony Michel do well, not just because he's a Dawg, but because he's a very high class individual (same as Chubb, who apparently wore Michel's jersey to the game).  I thought there was another ex-Dawg playing but I may have missed him.

I prefer college football, by a lot.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Hoss on February 04, 2019, 11:37:17 AM
I only watched part of the game, but from what I could gather the Patriots were clearly superior last night.  They could - or even should - have blown the game wide open, but ended up settling for FG attempts or simply stalling in their opponent's territory.  Probably should have been something like 27-3 instead of 13-3.
Agree...but their QB is an old man with little zip left in his arm. No midrange or vertical passing game to speak of. 
Which makes me all the more incredulous as to why the Rams played so many snaps giving Edelman and Gronk free releases. Its not as if either one is a threat to blow by any defensive back who is worth half a ****, but even if they were, Brady's deep passes are meatballs. Jam on both dudes, every play. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on February 04, 2019, 12:20:01 PM
I was at a party and didn't watch a minute. How did James White do?
Had one decent reception, I think. Havenstein was part of an o-line that couldn't give Goff any time. Don't know why the Rams weren't better able to take advantage of aggressive blitzes from NE with hot routes to releasing tight ends or others. The Rams' right guard was abused all night.
Mostly used the SB as an excuse to eat a bunch of crap--a cheat day of sorts. Son was laid up with a fever, so sitting in front of a TV watching drivel was easy for him. Kind of what the SB was reduced to in our house: mindless drivel.
Been watching less and less of the SB over the last few years. Just not compelling TV anymore (for me).
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 04, 2019, 12:54:12 PM
Mostly used the SB as an excuse to eat a bunch of crap--a cheat day of sorts. 
Don't worry... It was Brady's cheat day too :57:
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on February 04, 2019, 01:18:44 PM

Don't worry... It was Brady's cheat day too :57:
I keep going back to how humorous it is that we treat baseball PED users like they committed treason, and the starting QB and the MVP of the Super Bowl winning team have both been suspended in their careers (the MVP just this year) for cheating, and nobody cares.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: GopherRock on February 04, 2019, 01:21:43 PM
Had one decent reception, I think. Havenstein was part of an o-line that couldn't give Goff any time. Don't know why the Rams weren't better able to take advantage of aggressive blitzes from NE with hot routes to releasing tight ends or others. The Rams' right guard was abused all night.
Mostly used the SB as an excuse to eat a bunch of crap--a cheat day of sorts. Son was laid up with a fever, so sitting in front of a TV watching drivel was easy for him. Kind of what the SB was reduced to in our house: mindless drivel.
Been watching less and less of the SB over the last few years. Just not compelling TV anymore (for me).
It also didn't help that this was the worst SB in a long time, in all phases ( game, halftime, commercials).
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 04, 2019, 01:45:21 PM
I keep going back to how humorous it is that we treat baseball PED users like they committed treason, and the starting QB and the MVP of the Super Bowl winning team have both been suspended in their careers (the MVP just this year) for cheating, and nobody cares.
I wonder how much of it is due to the brutal nature of the sport?
I.e. in baseball, kinda like in golf, there's a certain level of sanctity that as much as you're playing against the pitcher, the field [course] is its own "defense". If you're taking PED's, corking your bat, or if they moved to aluminum bats, for example, suddenly people'd start hitting the ball out of the park "too often" and the game itself would change. Similar to all the fitness and equipment changes that have occurred in golf and now all the courses are essentially too short for the pros. When you've got guys regularly reaching 570 yard par 5's in 2, it's a whole different game than it used to be.
In football, although things are starting to change due to head injury, we're WATCHING it for the violence. Fans love the big hits. We're watching it to see gladiators engaging in hand-to-hand combat on the field. As a result, we want the biggest, fastest, strongest, and somewhat "excuse" players for using PED's because we implicitly assume the other guys are also doing it--and getting away with it. 
Thoughts?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on February 05, 2019, 12:29:29 PM
How many of you are conflicted over your football fandom? 

I am. Football is king in Madison, and I have such great memories--formative experiences--related to the football program. Nonetheless, I wouldn't let my kids play football and in every game I watch now I have moments that I cringe and think, "this isn't right." But I'm still watching, though consistently less than I was...

Curious to know if any of you are in that boat?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 05, 2019, 12:37:07 PM
Absolutely conflicted.  In some ideal world, I'd be against football.

I never even played outside a back yard game.  My Mom would not let me play, which suggests she had more sense than I did.

I can rationalize some of it for obvious reasons, but it's a brutal sport, and while not the same as the Roman sports, is in that direction.



Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on February 05, 2019, 12:55:54 PM
i watch all levels- from the almost gentle peewee's to the pro's... college is about the step off for me- they hit hard and can literally kill each other if not properly equipped/protected... then i watch the pro's in the NFL- and holy hell.... those feller's collide like cars on a racetrack but even worse- like race cars on an oval when half are running clockwise and the other half counter.  it can be heard- the impacts- from the nosebleed sections.  i don't know how many people appreciate what they do to themselves to entertain us- not that i feel sorry for them as they're paid and paid well for their sacrifice... but damn, they collide
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 05, 2019, 01:10:12 PM
How many of you are conflicted over your football fandom?

I am. Football is king in Madison, and I have such great memories--formative experiences--related to the football program. Nonetheless, I wouldn't let my kids play football and in every game I watch now I have moments that I cringe and think, "this isn't right." But I'm still watching, though consistently less than I was...

Curious to know if any of you are in that boat?
Completely. As I said in the post above yours, we're fans. We love the big hits. It's part of what football is. If there weren't big hits, we might as well watch rugby. 
And clearly we're all involved enough in college sports (yeah, we talk basketball, but it's primarily football driving everything) that we've built this community together and held it over many years... Through the various iterations I know it's been well over a decade now for me. Due to my location, I've only met one person from the board ( @jhetfield99 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1625) ), but that gave me someone to go together with to root for a Purdue @ Northwestern basketball game and he was gracious enough to host my wife and I at their pregame tailgate for the Foster Farms Bowl. I know many of you have MUCH closer relationships as you have more opportunity for board meetings, tailgates, and such.
But yes, I'm conflicted. I realize that every one of those Purdue players on the field except probably the kickers are inviting permanent brain injury by being out there. And not just the ones with concussions. CTE is no joke. 
I also would never let my sons play football. Everything I've achieved in my life has come from the gray matter between my ears being functional (maybe not normal, but functional). I wouldn't want them to screw up theirs over some dream of stardom on Sundays that has effectively zero chance of being fulfilled. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Riffraft on February 06, 2019, 01:02:00 PM
How many of you are conflicted over your football fandom?

I am. Football is king in Madison, and I have such great memories--formative experiences--related to the football program. Nonetheless, I wouldn't let my kids play football and in every game I watch now I have moments that I cringe and think, "this isn't right." But I'm still watching, though consistently less than I was...

Curious to know if any of you are in that boat?
Can't say that I am conflicted. Most of my boys played football and I still have one in High School that plays football. He had a concussion in the 8th grade and again in the 10th grade. I told him one more and he is done. Played all of last year without one. His problem is he is a running back and when he is about to be contacted he lowers his head been trying to break him of that habit for years. I know that football is the only reason he tries to get passing grades in school, so I am thankful in a way for football.

I also spend every Friday night in the fall officiating high school football. I love the game too much to be conflicted.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 06, 2019, 03:15:29 PM
Nope.  
Before the science was out, you knew it was a dangerous sport.
After the science came out, you knew it was a dangerous sport.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 06, 2019, 05:09:21 PM
The wife informed me she likes cruises (which surprises me a bit).  She's been on two, one was fabulous, western Med similar to what badger did, and the other was mediocre, western Caribbean including Cuba.  Anyway, I made reservations for an Alaska cruise in September.  She saw some helo tour that includes dog sledding, I think I can talk her out of that one, over $600 per.  Nyet.  I have never set foot in Canada oddly enough.  

We're headed to France for 3 weeks in May, touring Brittany for part of that with friends who are Bretons.  And she wants to go to Hawaii again over Christmas, I'm thinking more Hilton Head where we can drive and invite any kids who can come.  Is it just me or did airline tickets get 30% more expensive?

I don't have any burning desire to "see every state" but I am close, but North Dakota is one of the missing 4 (after Alaska).

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 06, 2019, 05:29:41 PM
I don't have any burning desire to "see every state" but I am close, but North Dakota is one of the missing 4 (after Alaska).
I have a burning desire to see Alaska. I feel like ever since I read an online diary of a motorcycle rider and his travails as he left Northern California and rode up through OR, WA, Canada and into Alaska, that it's a place I need to see. 
Sounds like you're doing a little better than me, though... Counting Alaska, there are still 9 states I haven't been to. Along with Alaska, I really want to see some Big Sky country [Idaho, Montana, North Dakota]...
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 06, 2019, 05:33:52 PM
Montana is a favorite state of mine, in addition to Idaho.  Eastern Montana is as boring as Kansas though.

I am missing VT, NH, CT, and RI, plus ND.  I've lived in only three states, GA, NC, OH.

I am a bit "eh" on cruises.  Some good things, some mediocre things.  We did a river cruise in Germany with a group but the boat was sort of second tier, I thought, not like Viking, or the higher end types, but it was cheap.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 06, 2019, 05:56:20 PM
I've never been on a cruise, and I just can't imagine myself enjoying it. When I vacation I want to go out and experience life where I'm visiting, not go out and have a carefully "resort-ified" experience where everything is managed. 

I'm missing VT, RI, and DE on the East Coast, and to be honest I can't imagine any possible reason I'd have to tick those off the list. 

(https://i.gifer.com/9N1Y.gif)

I've only lived in 4 states, but given that it was IL, IN, CA, and GA, it was a pretty diverse experience ;-) 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 06, 2019, 06:40:38 PM
Can't say that I am conflicted. 

 I love the game too much to be conflicted.
If I had boys I'd encourage them to play football, wouldn't push them.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 06, 2019, 06:43:03 PM
I've been on two cruise ships.  Enjoyed it much more than I expected.

Always thought I'd get to Alaska.  Don't know that I will now.

North Dakota is a great place to visit, just not this time of the season.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on February 06, 2019, 07:12:23 PM
I think North Dakota and West Virginia are the only two states I haven't been to, but I haven't truly visited a bunch more. And even the ones I've visited, there is so much more to see--even California, where I've lived most of my life. Michigan is a good example of one I haven't really visited: I've been there in one respect or another several times, but I've never spent the night, and I've never "seen" anything in Michigan.

I've lived in California, Wisconsin, Tennessee (on the border with Kentucky--drove in Kentucky nearly every day I lived there), and Texas, though saying I've lived in Texas is like saying I've been to Michigan. I had my own place there for a total of about 9 months, on an Army post in El Paso.

I can imagine what makes cruises great, but I'm a little too private to think I'd enjoy being on vacation with a bunch of strangers.   
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on February 06, 2019, 07:13:11 PM
I've been stuck on 49 for awhile now.  Alaska awaits.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 06, 2019, 08:10:26 PM
There are states I don't care to visit. Been to many. The whole PAC and Big Sky. The whole Midwest. Only been to GA and FL in the "South". Been to Texas and most of the East Coast. Hawaii every 5 years or so. Never been to NYC (!).



For those who don't think they like cruises (and for those who do not have kids), I'd say to try this one out:



https://www.azamaraclubcruises.com/



It's the only line we use, and the only line we will ever use.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 07, 2019, 05:58:00 AM
That's why I am surprised the wife likes cruises.  She is a very quiet private kind of person.  The ship we were on in the Med had 4600 passengers and 2600 crew, the Norwegian Epic, which is surely was.  At dock, it was like a long skyscraper, 16 decks tall.  We had a nice balcony suite which worked, she said don't bother without a balcony.

We were able to find spaces where few others went, even restaurants that were relatively not crowded.  I was amused by the casinos they have on each ship, obviously a money maker for them.  Ha.  The last one we bought a fitness package and did that every morning, which kind of worked out for us.  This one had a rather different "clientel" than the one in Europe, same cruise line.

Anyway, I'll report back about Alaska etc.  D'you know the capitol of Alaska?  Yes it is.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 07, 2019, 08:03:25 AM
4600 people?!? No thanks.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 07, 2019, 08:20:44 AM
That ship pretty much swallowed them up, only certain areas like the pool decks were crowded.  As I say, I'm surprised the wife liked it, but she did, so we're going back.

I don't care for crowds and noise myself (other than at CFB games I reckon).  I had a strong notion to do more river cruises as a way to see central Europe, but my one experience was not the greatest.  Like everything, if I pay more I probably get a better experience.  That ship was crowded and the berths were quite small.  It had nowhere really where one could get away from the crowds, and it had around 150 passengers.

The tours they had arranged were also largely boring.  We walked away from most of them after a third was done and did our own thing.  The tours were included in the price on that adventure, which was a group deal, all French speaking folks.  In Germany.  The wife did not like that one, I had to encourage her to do the western Med cruise, which she loved.   Some things are unexpected.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 07, 2019, 08:31:13 AM
Yeah, we are very selective when it comes to excursions. I find that I can do my own research and see what I want to see, on my own schedule. The line we use tends to stay in port much longer than most, with many being overnight stops. This gives you more time to do what you want. On the last one we hired a driver a couple times, to take us around and show us what we wanted to see, and also what they thought was important, as locals. That was pretty cool.


This line has 3 identical ships. 700 passengers (max) with 410 crew. No casino (yay for that!), no mascots, no water slides. No assigned eating times. No tipping. No out of pocket (or bill at the end). It's truly all-inclusive, unless you want premium booze, which, of course, I do. That's $15/day or so. Pretty sure they lose their ass on me.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 07, 2019, 08:42:29 AM
It's sort of interesting to me that the pools are consistently the most crowded area on a ship, as in packed.  Most are "sun bathing" and drinking.  Folks, you can do that at home easily enough in most cases.  The main pool will be amidships and often we'd want to go forward or aft and would try and do that on a lower deck.  We brought our suits and never used them.  They had a pretty nice basketball court above the largest poll that I used a bit playing around, often it was empty.  And yes, I can shoot hoops around here also.

I don't quite get the notion of shedding clothing in order to expose more skin (an Americans on cruise ships have a lot of skin) to radiation.  Folks who are scared of a nuclear power plant 100 miles away think nothing of "sun bathing" with the largest nuclear furnace in the neighborhood bearing down on them creating all sorts of free radicals.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 07, 2019, 09:14:38 AM
I'm not a pool sitter at all. I've only been in one on these ships one time. There is generally nobody in them, save for the occasional hot tub visit.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 07, 2019, 11:01:05 AM
I sometimes sit by the pool because that is where my daughters want to be

I wear my shorts and golf shirt, hat and sandals.  Never get in the water.  But, they will bring drinks.  It's fine for relaxing and people watching.

This is the same at a resort or on a ship.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 07, 2019, 11:43:31 AM
I'm not a pool sitter at all. I've only been in one on these ships one time. There is generally nobody in them, save for the occasional hot tub visit.

I sometimes sit by the pool because that is where my daughters want to be

I wear my shorts and golf shirt, hat and sandals.  Never get in the water.  But, they will bring drinks.  It's fine for relaxing and people watching.

This is the same at a resort or on a ship.
Sitting in the sun, on a beach or at a pool, is my own personal hell. 
I could get behind being well-shaded under an umbrella, reading a book, with people regularly bringing me adult beverages. I could get behind actually being IN water. 
But just lounging by the pool/beach? In the heat with the sun beating down on me? Hell no, I won't go.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Entropy on February 07, 2019, 11:58:28 AM
I've been on 14 cruises and going on another in March.   We like waking up in different places each day and while we enjoy people, the ships allow you to also spread out.   Mostly we like the flexibility.   If I want to be active or explore a city/country... I can.  If I want to sit back and read a book, I can.   Plus, I like food.   We've found the food on Cruises to be better than resorts that are reasonably priced.  Please note, that is not the buffet's but the evening dinning.   Buffet's are pretty universal...
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Entropy on February 07, 2019, 12:00:53 PM
The luxury we have in 2019 is the variety of options for vacations.   People can choose and meet their preferences.   For some, that is cruising.  For others, it would be renting a house on an island or in mexico.    We are fortunate..
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 07, 2019, 12:29:37 PM
The luxury we have in 2019 is the variety of options for vacations.   People can choose and meet their preferences.   For some, that is cruising.  For others, it would be renting a house on an island or in mexico.    We are fortunate..
Bear in mind, I'm not criticizing cruises or the people who go on them. Just saying I can't imagine it being my thing. 
I like going to a city and walking around exploring. My wife always complains that she needs to buy new sneakers for every vacation because I'm going to "walk her to death". When we went to Europe last year, my step tracker said we walked 80 miles overall, with several days individually over 10 miles. I'll admit that's not for everyone either lol...
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Riffraft on February 07, 2019, 12:39:04 PM
Heading on a cruise in 4 weeks. I must confess I enjoy the people watching on the ship, almost always entertaining. Also like the drink package as well as unlimited food. Don't generally do many "planned" excursions, but will get off the ship and just explore.

Definitely good bang for the buck.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 07, 2019, 01:24:34 PM
Bear in mind, I'm not criticizing cruises or the people who go on them. Just saying I can't imagine it being my thing.

I couldn't imagine it being my thing either, but I was pleasantly surprised.
first cruise was 25 years or so ago.  Went with the girlfriend's dental office.  Had to pay my way.  Their were about a dozen of us, mostly in our 20s, and we had people to experience the day or evening with or not.  Everyone got along very well.
last cruise was a few years ago with my two teenage daughters.  I enjoyed spending the time with them and let them do the choosing on our schedule each day and evening.  I was just along for the ride.
Both times, I thought being cooped up on a ship for long periods of time would be boring and brutal, but it wasn't at all.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 07, 2019, 02:13:10 PM
Norwegian's dinners are decent, not great, but acceptable.  Glasses of wine are free if you have the drink package.  A bottle it NOT free however.  You can drink four glasses free but not a bottle for free.  We usually do one or two dinners in their upscale restaurants and I'd call them pretty good overall, and you get a break on the price.  They are equivalent I'd say to a local place that would be $80-100 per couple (no wine).  They charge about $40.  They also are more intimate and with better more attentive service of course.

One can of course pay more and get a more exclusive cruise line and likely enjoy it more.  

The wife has a good friend in Yakima so we're staying after the cruise and exploring a bit and driving down there which is near wine country.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Entropy on February 07, 2019, 04:46:02 PM
We've done 5 Princess Cruises in the past (before kids), one Carnival for a friends wedding and 5 Disney Cruises and now going on Royal Caribbean.    Actually adding these up we are on #12, not 14.   

While I'm not a Disney park fan (one and done for me), the family really enjoys the cruises.   I actually think they've been the best so far as well.   More expensive than the others we've been on or will be going on in March, but food/service/entertainment is great.  Kids love it too.   Every night was a rush from dinner to the kids clubs.  We'd pick them up at midnight.  It was date night for my wife and I every night on the cruise.   
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 07, 2019, 09:34:10 PM
We will be using Azamara again at the end of April, for a cruise out of Civitavecchia, to Venice. It's 8 nights with a lot of stops. Much different than the Trans-Atlantic we just did in November.
 
 
I really like sea days. Not a lot of decisions to make on those. I was also able to work 1/2 days on that trip, so I only burned a week out of the 7 weeks I get per year.
 
 
I figured we better see Venice before it's gone. A nice German couple we met on the last one will be picking us up in port and show us a good time at their place in Peschiera del Garda. Then we take a train to Florence, and then to Rome. Then plane to home.
 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 07, 2019, 09:36:24 PM
sea days are for relaxation

should be some of that while on vacation
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 07, 2019, 10:05:09 PM
Limo comes at 5:30AM tomorrow. Florida beckons. Good to get out of this windy 5 degrees crap. I'll be back on Monday, but I'm sure I'll check in with you knuckleheads over the weekend.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 07, 2019, 10:12:50 PM
enjoy
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 07, 2019, 10:39:24 PM
But of course. 


Our German friends (met them on the Trans Atlantic cruise) are picking us up at FLL, and we start at one of my favorite joints. Rustic Inn, in Fort Lauderdale. Can't beat the crab there.


Just went out to smoke a Swisher with a little Jonhnie Red. That lasted about a minute. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on February 07, 2019, 10:58:02 PM
Yeah, 62 degrees earlier today (we had a 2 hour school delay for freaking fog), now the wind is howling and it on its way to 12.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 07, 2019, 11:33:53 PM
haven't been to Fort Lauderdale since the 95 Orange Bowl, my cousin lived there

good times on the intercoastal at a bar called Bootlegger
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 07, 2019, 11:50:18 PM
Also gonna meet some "friends" on the Great Loop next month, in Key West. 



I'm gonna pilot their boat for a few weeks. USCG Master Captain JPM (me), and all that.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 08, 2019, 09:01:08 AM
are they paying you to be the Chauffeur?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 08, 2019, 09:39:42 AM
I took my kids on a Carnival cruise way back and they had a blast.

Norwegian is slightly "upscale" and has fewer kids.  

We hit 80°F here yesterday which broke the record by 6°F, which is quite a bit.  It was actually kind hot walking fast outside.

Cooler today of course but still nice.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 08, 2019, 10:19:29 AM
In the middle of our very own frigid stretch here in SoCal. It dropped to/below 32 the other night, and the locals on Facebook were all talking about how to get the frost/ice off their windshields. Had couple days with lows in the mid-30s and highs in the mid-50s, and as I say this it's only 39 right now with a high of 61 predicted today.

Looks like a lot of rain and chilly weather the next week or so as well, with highs most days in the mid-50s. But it doesn't look like we should revisit the same lows--only one day in the next week is forecast for the low to dip below 40.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 08, 2019, 10:29:36 AM
Only 9 below here this morning with 25 mph winds - blustery

I'm staying in the office 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 08, 2019, 10:32:15 AM
I check the weather every AM in Cincinnati and chuckle and tell the wife.  I'm done with it, absolutely done.  We might hit 20°F here at night a few times, rarely into the teens.

I don't like being house bound because of the cold.  I want to get out even if I have to put on a coat.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 08, 2019, 10:48:58 AM
I don't mind the cold... One of the ideas I toy with is moving to Colorado which would mean winter. But it's not like Chicago winter. 

There's a difference between Colorado, where you might get cold and freezing temps for a few days, but then it warms up to 40 and the snow melts. In Chicago, you get a polar vortex and the temps go sub-zero, and then a "heat wave" comes and you get highs of 20 for a few days. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 08, 2019, 11:10:36 AM
Cincy seemed to have gray skies all through winter as well as the cold.  Here it is sunny if it is cold, or even like today a trifle chilly.

I can get out and run in the park with a very light sweater or jacket and take it off.  In Cincy, I would not see the neighbors for weeks at a time unless I was out with the snow blower.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on February 08, 2019, 11:32:11 AM
We had actual snow in the Bay Area in the hills during the last week. It was about 1/16 of an inch and of course it didn't last the morning sunshine, but it was there. No doubt my Midwestern friends have little sympathy for our cold snap.

California has had good rainfall in January and early February, which is critical to avoiding drought years. This is good.

Badge, we were in Venice and Rome last summer. Amazing. We weren't in Venice very long--didn't feel like we needed to stay long to appreciate it for what it is. One thing it is is decaying. Still amazing. Piazza San Marco and the buildings around it are quite impressive.

I'm sure everyone who has been has their own take on Rome. The history is worth it. Strongly recommend a private tour if you hit the Vatican. Otherwise I think it could easily overwhelm. There's just so much to see that without some guidance, it would be easy to be buried in all of it. Our favorite day there was the Colusseum, Forum, and Palatine Hill. I was also moved by the Pantheon. Best meal was in a total dive in which my cannelloni came out after my whole family had finished their meals; it was to die for.

I didn't care much about the paintings in the Borghese Gallery, but the marble statues there are nothing short of incredible. A must see if you are into the art.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on February 08, 2019, 04:08:02 PM
37 degrees and sleeting here.  Definitely not golf weather today...
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 08, 2019, 05:30:43 PM
brother went to San Anton to escape the weather
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 08, 2019, 06:17:51 PM
In the middle of our very own frigid stretch here in SoCal. It dropped to/below 32 the other night, and the locals on Facebook were all talking about how to get the frost/ice off their windshields. Had couple days with lows in the mid-30s and highs in the mid-50s, and as I say this it's only 39 right now with a high of 61 predicted today.

Looks like a lot of rain and chilly weather the next week or so as well, with highs most days in the mid-50s. But it doesn't look like we should revisit the same lows--only one day in the next week is forecast for the low to dip below 40.
not the best golf weather on the monterey peninsula late this afternoon  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on February 08, 2019, 07:47:36 PM
not the best golf weather on the monterey peninsula late this afternoon  
Bet it's still purdy. Pebble is awfully nice.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 08, 2019, 07:53:49 PM
great area
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on February 09, 2019, 10:05:22 AM
Flying is kinda crappy. That’s what my stream of unconsciousness is saying. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on February 09, 2019, 04:55:36 PM
Took ten 10 year olds bowling for a birthday party today.  Offered the girls cash for getting pins outside the rake and converted splits.  Paid out 3 winners.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 10, 2019, 11:30:52 AM
I'm taking the oldest to the Omaha airport this afternoon, she's flying to Denver to see a concert.

If the roads are good I'll continue on to Lincoln to buy the youngest dinner and make sure her car is maintained

otherwise I'll be watching golf and removing the snow from the driveway
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Entropy on February 10, 2019, 11:47:16 AM
I've been trying to get my wife to take an Alaskan Cruise.   She thinks it is for old people.   I'd show her pictures of kids or activities we can do as a family but she has it in her head it is a retirement cruise.    

I want to do some of the glacier activities while I'm young enough to do them.    Plus, I've never been to Alaska.  I'd love to sit on a balcony and watch the landscape/ocean while sipping on a scotch.   
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on February 10, 2019, 12:12:50 PM
I want to do some of the glacier activities while I'm young enough to do them.  
That should be a good argument! I doubt many retirees try out crampons and ice axes.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 10, 2019, 12:19:41 PM
If I take another cruise it will probably be to Alaska
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on February 10, 2019, 07:46:32 PM
Bob Costas reveals he was pulled from the Super Bowl coverage last year for speaking about the concussion links to football.  Good look for the NFL, usually those on the right side of history are those who attempt to shut down any opposing views.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 11, 2019, 09:04:46 AM
Alaska is a bit hard to see without the cruise, doable of course but probably not in a week.  I view this as a recon mission in effect, seeing if there are places we'd like to see again.

We did that in the last cruise and came up with a Big Nope.  Havana was a dump, really worse than I expected.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on February 13, 2019, 11:45:41 AM
Very odd, Darius Rucker, Tiger Woods and the Stanley Cup all converging on one night at a dive bar in East Lansing.  He says Tiger was 18, which would put it at 1994, but no MSU players on the '94 Rangers.  But the '95 Devils had Danton Cole, who is now MSU's head coach.  So I'm going to say this was summer of 1995, and current MSU head coach Danton Cole was the MSU player who brought the trophy

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DzQhfKKUUAEp8B2.jpg:large)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MaximumSam on February 13, 2019, 12:19:24 PM
A few years ago my dad and brother and I rented an RV and tooled around the Kenai peninsula for a week.  Saw lots of neat stuff, and definitely realized I do not want to live in Alaska.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 13, 2019, 12:28:54 PM
great story about Darius, Tigger, and the Cup

nope, don't think I'd wanna live in Alaska, but certainly would like to visit and do some fishing
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 13, 2019, 12:57:40 PM
Ranking the Big Ten's Football Rosters for 2019

https://athlonsports.com/college-football/ranking-big-tens-football-rosters-2019 (https://athlonsports.com/college-football/ranking-big-tens-football-rosters-2019)

Below are the national recruiting ranking averages for Big Ten schools over the last five (2105-19) classes according to 247Sports' Composite Team Rankings and each team's record over the last five (2014-18) seasons. Obviously, this doesn't take into account attrition but, over time, this should be considered relatively even across the conference.

Ohio State remains the gold standard, but is that about to change?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 13, 2019, 05:09:28 PM
The SEC recruiting rankings and games won correlate very highly.  Miss State has done a bit better than their recruiting, and so has Florida (conference games won).

Interesting connection with Mullen there perhaps.  There is no "Wisconsin" in the SEC (duh).  

https://athlonsports.com/college-football/ranking-secs-football-rosters-2019

UGA is 19-11, which sound decent, but Bama is 37-3.  UGA is close to Bama in recruiting raw numbers, but not in wins.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on February 13, 2019, 06:48:31 PM

Ohio State remains the gold standard, but is that about to change?
The Horror
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on February 13, 2019, 06:54:17 PM
Bob Costas reveals he was pulled from the Super Bowl coverage last year for speaking about the concussion links to football.  Good look for the NFL, usually those on the right side of history are those who attempt to shut down any opposing views.
Ya Stalin,Hitler,Mao come to mind and truth be told the NFL just slithers about differently
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 13, 2019, 06:54:58 PM
Ranking the Big Ten's Football Rosters for 2019

https://athlonsports.com/college-football/ranking-big-tens-football-rosters-2019 (https://athlonsports.com/college-football/ranking-big-tens-football-rosters-2019)

Below are the national recruiting ranking averages for Big Ten schools over the last five (2105-19) classes according to 247Sports' Composite Team Rankings and each team's record over the last five (2014-18) seasons. Obviously, this doesn't take into account attrition but, over time, this should be considered relatively even across the conference.

Ohio State remains the gold standard, but is that about to change?
Ohio State has always recruited well, but Urban took them to another level. Time will tell if that can be sustained.
On another note, Wisconsin is recruiting better than it ever has (according to STARZ and all that).
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on February 13, 2019, 06:59:33 PM
great story about Darius, Tigger, and the Cup

nope, don't think I'd wanna live in Alaska, but certainly would like to visit and do some fishing
Can you imagine the smoked ribs on some Caribou or Moose.Or you could indulge yourself with the Inuit treat of 6 week old buried Salmon heads by the shore.You could even go out and swim with the Orca's
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on February 13, 2019, 07:02:32 PM
A few years ago my dad and brother and I rented an RV and tooled around the Kenai peninsula for a week.  Saw lots of neat stuff, and definitely realized I do not want to live in Alaska.
Don't want to do the Iditarod?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 13, 2019, 07:44:38 PM
Don't want to do the Iditarod?
I'd rather have my fingernails plucked out, one by one, by a savage beast, or an angry woman, over the course of ten days.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 13, 2019, 08:24:34 PM
Wisconsin now is a semi-helmet, they should up their recruiting as a result.  Were I an OL or RB, they'd make my short list.

QB too, perhaps, if I thought I was pretty good and only wanted to ride pine at Ohio State.  If Wisconsin can pull in just a few 4-5 star types, they could easily get into top ten every preseason.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 13, 2019, 08:41:41 PM
Can you imagine the smoked ribs on some Caribou or Moose.Or you could indulge yourself with the Inuit treat of 6 week old buried Salmon heads by the shore.You could even go out and swim with the Orca's
I can imagine Caribou and moose.  I've had some in the past.  not smoked ribs, but I'd rather stick with my corn-fed beef and pork
I'm guessing the salmon there is better than what I get in Iowa.  Heck the heads might be much better than the Iowa fillets
not much of a swimmer, current in the Missouri is too strong, otherwise landlubber
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 13, 2019, 08:57:28 PM
We like "steelhead trout", which is a kind of trout that thinks it salmon.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/salmon-or-trout-what-the-heck-is-a-steelhead-anyway-1.4461827

https://cooking.stackexchange.com/questions/61842/what-is-the-difference-between-atlantic-and-steelhead-farmed-salmon-in-taste-and

I just put'em skin side down on the grill for 8 minutes and done.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 13, 2019, 09:02:59 PM
I prefer to remove the skin and cook them on direct for 2.5 minutes per side. Best served with a vinaigrette sauce, with a side of pasta and veggies.



Ping me if you'd like a recipe. I get so much damn salmon... I have to create a lot of things.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 13, 2019, 09:04:24 PM
Steelhead Fishing Alaska | Alaska Steelhead Fly Fishing Trips (https://www.alaskasteelheadco.com/)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on February 13, 2019, 09:27:32 PM
this is a magic dish with salmon- give it a shot... takes no more than 20 minutes or so to prepare to perfection:

couscous
golden raisins
olive oil
butter
coconut milk OR canned pina colada 
salmon fillet
black pepper
capers
lemon or lemon juice
baby spinach
ginger sauce

set water to boil, add touch of oil and touch of butter and couscous along with a handful of golden raisins- adding one part short of water and adding coconut milk in it's place halfway through...  if you like it sweeter, replace coconut milk with pina colada mix- not the solid part, but the liquid.. this is too sweet for my taste but most really like it. 

lightly coat salmon filet in olive oil, add some butter to skillet, and saute with slightest amount of sea salt, peppers, and capers- a touch of lemon really sets it free.

in same skillet once fillet is done, remove it add baby spinach and saute it as well- wilting it.  add touch of sea salt to make it pop.  just a touch. 

make bed of couscous on plate, surround it with spinach, lay fillet over top- decorate with ginger sauce.  

i made this for my GF now Wife on our first Valentines Day, and I'm now required to do so every year... I don't mind, it's REALLY good. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on February 13, 2019, 09:35:12 PM
i used to own/operate a cigar shop- a dude adjacent my shop owned/operated a hair salon... he was as straight as an arrow though he didn't look it at all, and man-oh-man you should have seen the ladies he poured through... he also dabbled in music, playing in several bands and playing solo. he cut a record or two along the way.  he opened for hootie and the blowfish before they were hardly anything more than a college band playing the south carolina circuit.  my buddy needed an opening act so he called Darius.  They agreed- HatBF opened, and Matt came in behind them as the headliner... after the show Matt went looking for the manager to get paid, and found that Darius had taken off with the paycheck for both of them!! he was PISSED- as it turned out, HatBF played at that bar semi-regularly and the manager didn't think twice about it... He never got his money back from him, but at least they laughed about it some years later.  I don't know what happened to Matt, been years since i've seen him.  

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on February 13, 2019, 11:41:41 PM
Pretty sure I'd be asking Darius for the money, with 20+ years interest, right about now.  He can afford it. :)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on February 14, 2019, 12:47:19 AM
I'd rather have my fingernails plucked out, one by one, by a savage beast, or an angry woman, over the course of ten days.
Damn I can't even imagine the original thing dog sled teams relaying the Diphtheria Serum to the northern outpost of Nome in the 1920's.No nothing up there,dark,deathly frigid,no global warming,no help,no BBQ smokers,frozen beer,frozen coffee,frozen digits,talk about fuel line freeze up,get tough or die.Those were some rough mofos with a righteous resolve
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on February 14, 2019, 12:51:51 AM
Pretty sure I'd be asking Darius for the money, with 20+ years interest, right about now.  He can afford it. :)

Ed Zachery,for a guy with a soulful voice he doesn't appear to have one,even if he has gone country
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 14, 2019, 06:30:22 AM
Wisconsin now is a semi-helmet, they should up their recruiting as a result.  Were I an OL or RB, they'd make my short list.

QB too, perhaps, if I thought I was pretty good and only wanted to ride pine at Ohio State.  If Wisconsin can pull in just a few 4-5 star types, they could easily get into top ten every preseason.
They just got this one. Highest rated QB to ever pick UW. The staff worked their asses off to keep him in the fold, once the vultures started coming in. The good news is he's on campus already.

https://247sports.com/player/graham-mertz-46038869/

Helluva list of offers.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 14, 2019, 08:37:24 AM
Wisconsin's recruiting numbers would be expected to rise fairly dramatically in the next few years at least.

It's a case for how to build up a program somewhat mired in obscurity from back in the day.

It takes time.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 14, 2019, 08:41:13 AM
Wisconsin's recruiting numbers would be expected to rise fairly dramatically in the next few years at least.

It's a case for how to build up a program somewhat mired in obscurity from back in the day.

It takes time.
Yep. You'd think 6 conference titles in <20 years would have done it, but it didn't. They need to win another one soon, to maintain the momentum from good/great seasons and winning bowl games against other top schools.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 14, 2019, 08:57:38 AM
I ponder at times how programs like UNC and Illinois could get relevant again.  The Wisconsin model (and perhaps Stanford) seem obvious to me, but they just plod along, firing coaches and changing little or nothing beyond patina.

I know part of it is student apathy at both places, but I would guess Stanford student apathy is high also.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 14, 2019, 09:33:19 AM
Based on what I've noticed, a successful athletic (in particular football) program has to start with the school's overall leadership. 



For example, UW had Donna Shalala and she hired Pat Richter to lead the AD office. He then hired Alvarez. Her successors were also highly supportive, and still are. Another example is that Stanford's rise happened under John Hennessy, who was also very supportive of football. He hired Bob Bowlsby, who hired Harbaugh and then Shaw (Bowlsby also hired Kaptain Kirk while at Iowa). 



This support is a huge part of the deal.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 14, 2019, 09:55:21 AM
So, what sparks leadership having an interest in athletics?  It just happens?  Big Donors push for it?

Programs like UNC just seem to hire and fire with no discernible plan.  The team might win 9-10 games one year and then fall into mediocrity or worse and then the fire and hire again.  Maybe they need to fire and hire at a higher level.  Maybe it needs Big Donors, who may be lacking at Illinois.

Those two programs SHOULD be able to field decent teams consistently, one would think.  They are flagship universities in larger states.  UNC does have to compete with other in state programs like NCSU to a greater degree.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 14, 2019, 11:30:42 AM
Based on what I've noticed, a successful athletic (in particular football) program has to start with the school's overall leadership.

For example, UW had Donna Shalala and she hired Pat Richter to lead the AD office. He then hired Alvarez. Her successors were also highly supportive, and still are. Another example is that Stanford's rise happened under John Hennessy, who was also very supportive of football. He hired Bob Bowlsby, who hired Harbaugh and then Shaw (Bowlsby also hired Kaptain Kirk while at Iowa).

This support is a huge part of the deal.
So, what sparks leadership having an interest in athletics?  It just happens?  Big Donors push for it?

Programs like UNC just seem to hire and fire with no discernible plan.  The team might win 9-10 games one year and then fall into mediocrity or worse and then the fire and hire again.  Maybe they need to fire and hire at a higher level.  Maybe it needs Big Donors, who may be lacking at Illinois.

Those two programs SHOULD be able to field decent teams consistently, one would think.  They are flagship universities in larger states.  UNC does have to compete with other in state programs like NCSU to a greater degree.

I think the Purdue experience is somewhat instructive here. Purdue had a gigantic missed opportunity with Tiller. He revitalized the program. He made us relevant again. And the Athletic Department all the way up to the school president took it for granted, talking about how they didn't want to participate in the "arm's race" of college athletics. Morgan Burke liked taking the cheap way out, and the folks in power above him enjoyed that too, because I believe they thought that successful athletics was a distraction to the university, not a cause for celebration. 

Purdue was one of those schools where not only did we NOT fund any portion of our athletic budgets out of tuitions or student fees, but we actively required the athletic department pay the university a stipend each year for the honor of being associated with the "Purdue" name. I believe that we have ended the payment from the athletic department, but I believe we still operate entirely as a self-funded entity and don't take any money from tuition or student fees.

What happened? Tiller got fed up with the administration that wouldn't support him. Our facilities were at the bottom of the Big Ten. We didn't reinvest or even attempt to make it better. We went the bargain-basement hire for Danny Hope, we then pivoted and paid minimally competitive salary for Darrell Hazell, and all the while basically tried to short-change the football program in any way possible--which I'm sure was seen and recognized on the recruiting trail. 

As much as I think Hazell was a bad coach, I simultaneously recognize that he was largely put into a no-win situation, given that the university didn't support the program.

That's all changed. Morgan Burke was replaced by Mike Bobinski. Mitch Daniels is our university president, and as a politician he understands the value of perception and recognizes that athletic success excites and energizes the students and fans, and helps to keep the "Purdue" name relevant. 

So we got Brohm, and we've kept him not only due to giving him a highly competitive salary, I believe that he stuck around instead of going to Louisville because he believes deep down that the athletic department has his back, and will give him what he needs to be successful. Maybe that's never CFP, because we're still "just Purdue", but give him what he needs to make trips to the B1GCCG in December more than just a pipe dream. 

You have to have an AD, a President, a Board of Trustees, all on board with athletic success. Because it's a competitive race on the recruiting trail, and kids aren't going to go to a school where they believe their coaches are led by people who penny-wise and pound-foolish. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on February 14, 2019, 11:42:41 AM
Wisconsin's recruiting numbers would be expected to rise fairly dramatically in the next few years at least.

It's a case for how to build up a program somewhat mired in obscurity from back in the day.

It takes time.
Probably not.
The states it’s in doesn’t project to get more talented. The states around it don’t either. Maybe it makes the jump to pulling four stars from Jersey/Florida like OSU or Michigan, but most likely, it’ll be what it is.
The great secret of CFB is it’s mostly static, with a few weird shifts here and there. UW pulled one of those. It’s unlikely to jump to being a national recruiter without another. Such is life. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 14, 2019, 11:46:07 AM
Actually, the talent in Wisconsin really is getting better. You can tell because of the schools you see sniffing around up there.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 14, 2019, 11:56:27 AM
I bet we see more out of state recruits going to Wisconsin, and some out of region as well.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 14, 2019, 11:59:22 AM
Two dudes are here today installing the kitchen cabinets, first time I have seen them outside the show room.  They look nice and slide/open well, which is good.

Probably take tomorrow to finish up, and then we'll just need countertops and back splash and hookups.



Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 14, 2019, 01:24:05 PM
I bet we see more out of state recruits going to Wisconsin, and some out of region as well.


Last cycle (2019) had 19 kids. 3 are from Wisconsin.

This new cycle has 6 commits, and 5 are from Wisconsin. There are a couple more out there who may come in, but for the most part, UW has relied on the East Coast and Florida for a very long time, and that will continue. I also suspect the STARZ will rise a little too, like they did for 2019 and so far for 2020.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 14, 2019, 01:30:49 PM
UGA has a large recruiting advantage over most programs that is inherent.  There is no other Big Time program in the state (though there are just over the line of course).  HS football is turning out a slew of athletes.  Quite a few are disposed to staying local.  They don't "need" to go out of state very often.

They really should be doing better on the field, and I've thought that for a long time now.  I guess "almost" is somewhat better.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 14, 2019, 01:42:19 PM
Heh. No other major program. I like it.



Is most of the talent centered around Atlanta?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 14, 2019, 01:53:00 PM
The metro area has over 6 million people and the entire state has 10 million, so yes.

And many of the rural programs are not well funded etc.  Valdosta is a hot spot down south.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 14, 2019, 09:40:21 PM
Places like Champagn and Chapel Hill have an obvious first step:  keep your in-state kids.  I know Florida has had a pipeline into Charlotte the last 15 years or so, signing a handful of top-end guys from there.  I assume other top southern schools have had their share as well.  
It's more unfair for Illinois to lock down their state, because if you're a Chicago-area kid, I assume you're either a ND/UM/OSU talent or not.  And if you're not, there's UW, MSU, Iowa in that next tier.  



If you're a sleeping giant, don't you eventually have to wake up?  It took Florida 60 years to wake up, but when we did, we proved Bear Bryant right.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 14, 2019, 09:44:46 PM
Heh. No other major program. I like it.



Is most of the talent centered around Atlanta?
Even more so than the city of Atlanta (inside the loop), the Atlanta suburbs are FERTILE.  Marietta, Conyers/Lithonia, Alpharetta, Norcross.....legit dudes every year.
And yes, if you're getting a kid from the rest of the state, he's going to be a hayseed.  A man-child, but still a hayseed.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 15, 2019, 07:59:21 AM
The metro area population is mostly outside the loop (I-285).  Atlanta city proper has a population under 500,000.  I'd guess inside the loop adds another half million, mostly Dekalb County.  So, 5/6ths of Atlanta metro pop is outside the loop.  Those suburban schools take HS football seriously in the main.

UGA should have been better than they were given that talent situation, but of course programs like Auburn/Clemson/FSU and others prey in GA football recruits effectively.

UGA is kind of the reverse of Wisconsin, always higher in recruiting rankings than in final rankings.  They currently have more 5 star players on the roster than any program in the country.  Anyway, I'd judge THIS year's edition their most talented team ever, returning OL intact mostly, QB with two years experience, some very high level running backs, and solid defense and special teams.  Of course, it comes down to 2 or 3 close games that could go either way.

They play Notre Dame and A&M at home this year and Auburn on the road, Florida as usual.  They "should" demolish everyone else.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 15, 2019, 08:04:24 AM
About half the new cabinets are in place, some adjustments still needed, no major wrinkles.  Hope to get stove in place today, maybe, and operational?  I assume I need to fire up the oven with nothing in it for a while first.

The doors and sliders seem to work well, most of the cabinets have drawers inside.  Design looks to be fine, look is what wife wanted, plain gloss white with no hardware.  The sink won't be in for a while though.  I really miss having a sink.  We're washing dishes in the half bath small sink.

Took wife out to local French restaurant.  Their service suffers on days like this one.  They have to bring in extras who are not as well trained.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 15, 2019, 08:17:39 AM
I remember being excited when the cabinets were going in. That took a few days, and then NOTHING happened for about 10 days after. The counter guy would not measure until the cabinets were in, which I understood. But the 10 days from the measure to the install were long. I think maybe he was too busy.


After counter install, it was only a matter of a few more days to completion, with backsplash, lighting, sink, etc.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 15, 2019, 09:53:21 AM
Yeah, the slab of quartz is already bought.  It's now measure and cut and hope it's right.  The back splash is the same quartz apparently.

I can see that taking a week or so.  After that the final push.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 15, 2019, 04:07:59 PM
We met this couple who are friends with the wife at Cheesecake Factory for lunch, a place I found to be typical of chains, boring, edible, but boring.  Anyway, every story they tell starts out "We know a lawyer who is about 50, maybe 55, or maybe not ..." "Are you talking about Bill?"  "No, Doug, how old is he?"  "I don't know, but I do know Bill just turned 55.  Doug is older I think."  "Maybe he is 58 t"en.  Anyway, Doug's son who is about 30..."  "No, Jim is 34."  " I didn't know he was 34.  Anyway, his son Jim was on vacation on a cruise, I think it was a Carnival Cruise ..."  "No, it was Norwegian, I think.".

It becomes painful, but it's over.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 15, 2019, 04:19:05 PM
It becomes painful, but it's over.
There is that one certain beauty of having lunch at a chain, with people you'd rather not be with. Lunch goes really fast at chains.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 15, 2019, 04:29:32 PM
https://www.ajc.com/blog/mark-bradley/eason-and-fields-the-before-and-after-transfer-wise/9XdjquddlXc8gn7MTHf3BJ/

AJC perspective on Fields and Eason.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 18, 2019, 04:04:55 PM
Off for President's Day today, so I'm making beer... Just a simple hoppy blonde ale, since I have basically run dry of homebrew...

Given the holiday, my thanks to Jimmy Carter who signed the bill in 1978 making this legal. I'd probably do it anyway if it were illegal, but it's certainly better that it is lol...

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Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 18, 2019, 04:08:42 PM
I'm thinking you should also give a shout out to Jimmy's brother Billy.

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Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 18, 2019, 04:34:12 PM
I'm thinking you should also give a shout out to Jimmy's brother Billy.

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Well, honestly I tend not to glorify presidents. I recognize that the hard work was done by a lot of people to even get a legalization bill in front of Congress, and Congress had to pass it. All Jimmy had to do was sign it. 
But in our world, for that he gets the credit for doing it, right? 
(I do highlight that I was born in 1978, so I know there's something about this "Billy Beer" thing, but I don't really know much about Billy Carter. I barely know anything about Jimmy Carter. I actually went to the Reagan Library on Saturday, which was really interesting because although I "grew up" with him as President, I was 10 at the end of his term, so it's hard to say that I have any real conception of Reagan...)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on February 18, 2019, 08:00:28 PM
Cabinets going in fast now and a few counters.   Though the showstopper were the beams in the living room ceiling this past week

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Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 18, 2019, 08:05:49 PM
Speaking of Unconsiousness...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sccD0Uvz6Rg
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 18, 2019, 08:18:26 PM
Well, honestly I tend not to glorify presidents. I recognize that the hard work was done by a lot of people to even get a legalization bill in front of Congress, and Congress had to pass it. All Jimmy had to do was sign it.
But in our world, for that he gets the credit for doing it, right? 
presidents are like QBs, get more credit or blame than they deserve
if "our world"  is anything like what I see on facebook....... credit is shoveled to whomever suits your cause
some would credit congress or another source, some would credit the president
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 19, 2019, 12:08:49 AM
Uhh, someone wanna tell ESPN that AAFL football is a sport and should be covered by them?  Petty PoS.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on February 19, 2019, 12:27:24 AM
Uhh, someone wanna tell ESPN that AAFL football is a sport and should be covered by them?  Petty PoS.
They stopped covering the NHL the day they dropped covering it, so I'm not sure why anyone expected them to cover this.  In fairness, do they cover MiLB or the G League either?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 19, 2019, 12:51:47 AM
They're ripe for a rival to dominate...if a new channel came out that was what ESPN used to be, it would be #1.  Tractor pulls at 2am, and actual sports coverage instead of deliberately foolish talking heads.

Sigh.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 19, 2019, 07:45:35 AM
Aussie Rules Football.  Some channel could cover some of those odd events and get folks watching a bit.  I have 200-300 "channels" on my TV, many of them shopping channels, amazing how many, and I rarely find anything worth watching.  BBC America has occasional nature shows I like.  The History Channel is history.

Maybe it says something about American tastes in TV?

I'd note also having a show with two dudes talking about sports is pretty inexpensive in terms of filling time.

We must have 35 channels of just music, fortunately 2 are classic music which I usually put on during dinner.

The cabinets are almost all installed and looking good, or the wife likes them anyway.  I think they are fine, pricier than I would have done but whatever.  They do have tongue and groove joinings and a lot of roll out drawers.  The "ventless" range hoof has a vent.  The installers were puzzled by that one.  Well, the air has to go somewhere.  That was expensive, and I think they are nearly useless.  It has a carbon filter of rather dubious efficacy.

I don't mind the smell of cooking unless something burns.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on February 19, 2019, 09:34:13 AM
AAF nearly missed payroll.  That would get espns attn.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 19, 2019, 12:02:51 PM
They're ripe for a rival to dominate...if a new channel came out that was what ESPN used to be, it would be #1.  Tractor pulls at 2am, and actual sports coverage instead of deliberately foolish talking heads.

Sigh.
You know, I think this is a very popular take, but don't you think that if ESPN could make more money showing actual sports than talking heads, they'd be doing it? 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 19, 2019, 12:44:28 PM
You know, I think this is a very popular take, but don't you think that if ESPN could make more money showing actual sports than talking heads, they'd be doing it?

Yes, but it's about cost of quality vs that extra dollar or two gained.  
Like the news channels/websites - they could provide prudent news stories and report down the center, but don't because x-number of addition people tune in/click stories that are sensation and/or make them either outrages or affirmed.  News outlets could make money not doing that - they could have a successful business not doing that, but at the expense of un-informing our electing populace, they don't...for a few extra dollars.
ESPN could put prudent, reasonable people on their morning shows and show actual sports at the expense of a few dollars...but they don't.  
Hey, maybe the mouth-breathing, unsavory masses shouldn't be the ones dictating the content we're all exposed to.....but that's crazy talk, right?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 19, 2019, 12:54:16 PM
I'm not a fan of our economy type...it's leading to something and it's going to have a really ugly ending...like inner-ring of a black hole - ugly.  

I'm not calling for Bernie Sanders to be made supreme ruler tomorrow or anything, but yes, the income inequality of our country is obscene.  Many conservatives who want to go back to the good ole days of the 50s might be surprised by the buying power back then compared to now.  CEOs weren't paid like gods back then.  Exponential growth isn't feasible on a long timeline.  Perpetual growth isn't feasible.  Monopolization is inevitable.  Hell, it's basically here already.  

The modern music industry is basically catered to what 14 year old girls like.  Well, ESPN's programming is catered to some similarly inept population.

Maybe that's not a great long-term plan.  Maybe it is.  But for those of us possessing prudence, it's basically something to avoid.  We can't compete with the toothless masses.

It's funny, but name something in which poor people having far greater buying power than the super rich.  Lottery tickets.  Used cars.  Rich people could have greater buying power, but they didn't get rich by throwing their money away.  
ESPN is catering to lottery ticket buyers.  It's gross.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on February 19, 2019, 01:01:24 PM
You know, I think this is a very popular take, but don't you think that if ESPN could make more money showing actual sports than talking heads, they'd be doing it?

Or that FS1 would have launched as that sort of alternative?  Instead they decided it made financial sense to be #2 doing the same thing ESPN was doing than being the best at what we all claim to want.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 19, 2019, 01:14:04 PM
Hey, maybe the mouth-breathing, unsavory masses shouldn't be the ones dictating the content we're all exposed to.....but that's crazy talk, right?
Hey, I'm the guy who quit politically blogging after getting burned out watching reasoned discourse lose out in the market because most readers don't go past the headline  or if you're lucky, the first paragraph. 
But giving the masses what they want is always an easier business model than telling them what they're supposed to want. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 19, 2019, 01:35:20 PM
The wife wanted to drive back out to the countertop place after seeing how the cabinets look in the kitchen.  She changed from almost white countertops to almost black.  The cabinets are shiny white, so I was happy for this.  The rain really picked up coming back and the roads were bad, flooding in some areas, and a lot of accidents.

We were out west of town to see the quartz and I drove a bit further to check out a state park that had a mill that Sherman destroyed, and he collected all the mill workers and sent them to Kentucky as prisoners of war.  The ruins are still there but you have to take a trail to see them, and it was pouring by then.

Nice looking park though.

https://gastateparks.org/sweetwatercreek

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on February 19, 2019, 02:09:25 PM
Or that FS1 would have launched as that sort of alternative?  Instead they decided it made financial sense to be #2 doing the same thing ESPN was doing than being the best at what we all claim to want.
Agree with these points.  I only tune in to ESPN for live sports broadcasts, and even that has become more and more rare.  But people like me are clearly the minority, because losing me as a customer obviously hasn't affected their business model even one bit.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 19, 2019, 02:10:22 PM
You're going to like the black on white. This was my kitchen.


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Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on February 19, 2019, 02:25:20 PM
Agree with these points.  I only tune in to ESPN for live sports broadcasts, and even that has become more and more rare.  But people like me are clearly the minority, because losing me as a customer obviously hasn't affected their business model even one bit.
Yeah, ESPN used to have a whole spectrum of in game PBP and color guys.  Some you loved, some you hated, but the fact that you could talk to different people, and they would have different ones they liked/hated was evidence that their personalities ran the gamut, and some struck different chords with different fans.  Now, the only guys they have with personalities are the guys everyone hates, and everyone else is bland and forgettable.  Because bland and forgettable doesn't get offered a pay raise to leave.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on February 19, 2019, 03:09:10 PM
Hey, I'm the guy who quit politically blogging after getting burned out watching reasoned discourse lose out in the market because most readers don't go past the headline  or if you're lucky, the first paragraph.
But giving the masses what they want is always an easier business model than telling them what they're supposed to want.
That last part is correct. Paying to produce the lumberjack games isn’t attracting anyone. At best it changes your corporate perception, but the secret is when you’re on top like that, there’s not much way to get good perception. 
In the battle of random events vs talking heads, good G5 football is regularly brushed aside and rankings are oft discussed. Simply put, we like talking about what we like more than exploring something different. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 19, 2019, 03:32:31 PM
Yeah,  the black quartz is not flat black, it has some speckles in it.  The cabinets are really white with no hardware externally.  The backsplash is a veined white quartz.

I think it'll work.  

I saw three recent accidents on the freeway coming back.  The downtown connector was coded red so I went around.  The backstreets I took had flooding in several places.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Entropy on February 19, 2019, 03:33:03 PM
CBS Sports has been showing a lot of sports ESPN passes on... for those looking for sports rather than talk. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 19, 2019, 04:04:54 PM
Hey, maybe the mouth-breathing, unsavory masses shouldn't be the ones dictating the content we're all exposed to.....but that's crazy talk, right?
the unwashed masses also vote on our political leaders.... ya see what candidates this produces
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 19, 2019, 04:22:46 PM
I was all set to cut the cord after FB season, but they chopped my price down to $50/month. That's 1/3 of what I was paying, and I get internet along with hundreds of channels including dozens of sports networks. I said I'll stay.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 19, 2019, 06:33:17 PM
I showed the wife the black on white kitchen photo and she liked it.  It is pretty similar to our kitchen.  The new stove is solid black, it's an inductive type.  The back splash is different.  You should come visit.

The floor is some kind of wood plank on concrete, looks like maple.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 19, 2019, 07:09:43 PM
Cool. I'll take that as an offer. Another kitchen shot for you to show her. I do miss that kitchen. Galley's are so much more functional to cook in than other layouts. They really are. I miss the wine rack too.


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Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MichiFan87 on February 19, 2019, 09:57:39 PM
Since politics has been brought up, living in DC, now, I'm just glad the government didn't shut down, again. The first time around the city was basically dead for a month (albeit the holidays and winter weather were part of the reason). Not to get too political, but it seems that most people here are at least moderate (or at least not supporters of #45).... It'll be interesting to see who all decides to run against him on both sides. I'm a fan of Jay Inslee (WA's governor) for his strong stance on clean energy, but he's probably not viable due to lack of name recognition. And for the record, I favor most of the Green New Deal in principle, but parts of it just aren't realistic even if Democrats take over the government in 2020.

In other news, I'm finally seriously pursuing a relationship for the first time in my life since I finally have some stability in my career, and I can use all the dating advice I can get. I had my first real date of my life a week ago, which didn't go so well, but we just didn't really connect on anything despite having some common interests and being like-minded (I didn't do anything stupid, though)..... Today I connected with someone else online through Bumble (which seems to work better than OKCupid and other sites since the woman has to initiate the conversation), and she's also a Michigan fan, in addition to being smart, successful, and like-minded. I'm trying not to get my hopes up, but based on what I know about her and my initial online conversation, I think she's as good of a match as I'll get, so I don't want to blow it....
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 20, 2019, 12:12:14 AM
I had my first real date of my life a week ago
This, followed by...

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I'm trying not to get my hopes up, but based on what I know about her and my initial online conversation, I think she's as good of a match as I'll get, so I don't want to blow it....
Gives me my first point of advice...
"As good as a match as I'll get" is probably not going to be the first lady you connect with.
Granted, I say that as the guy who married the first girl I dated after my divorce, and I'm ridiculously happy. So I'm not saying it *won't* work out, but you need to not stress over whether it'll work out. 
Although if it means anything, she and I met on Bumble. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 20, 2019, 07:10:00 AM
I am somewhat surprised that Badge uses a microwave. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 20, 2019, 07:18:26 AM
My dating advice would be to forget about "not wanting to blow it".  Be yourself, as thoroughly as possible.  If she doesn't like you for you, it's best to find out early.

The second point would be to make sure you listen to her and show empathy (hopefully this isn't an act).  A short term relationship can succeed based on a few items but a long termer needs to check most of the boxes, and being "as good as I could expect" is not a recipe for the latter.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 20, 2019, 07:21:39 AM
One condo we toured that I kinda liked (because it was way under budget in part, but also nicely finished) had a dead end kitchen.  The wife said that was a no go for her.

Most of the others were in newer buildings and had this "open concept" so many rave about all the time, she didn't like that either.  She watches HGTV a LOT and it's interesting (a bit) to see what couples like in that highly contrived show.  They all want an "open concept".

Anyway, we lucked out, this place was on the market for 3 months, which is unusual down here, and the second we walked in we knew it was for us.

We looked at one on the 37th floor of a new building and the deck was scary.  We would never be out there.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MaximumSam on February 20, 2019, 07:40:51 AM
Since politics has been brought up, living in DC, now, I'm just glad the government didn't shut down, again. The first time around the city was basically dead for a month (albeit the holidays and winter weather were part of the reason). Not to get too political, but it seems that most people here are at least moderate (or at least not supporters of #45).... It'll be interesting to see who all decides to run against him on both sides. I'm a fan of Jay Inslee (WA's governor) for his strong stance on clean energy, but he's probably not viable due to lack of name recognition. And for the record, I favor most of the Green New Deal in principle, but parts of it just aren't realistic even if Democrats take over the government in 2020.

In other news, I'm finally seriously pursuing a relationship for the first time in my life since I finally have some stability in my career, and I can use all the dating advice I can get. I had my first real date of my life a week ago, which didn't go so well, but we just didn't really connect on anything despite having some common interests and being like-minded (I didn't do anything stupid, though)..... Today I connected with someone else online through Bumble (which seems to work better than OKCupid and other sites since the woman has to initiate the conversation), and she's also a Michigan fan, in addition to being smart, successful, and like-minded. I'm trying not to get my hopes up, but based on what I know about her and my initial online conversation, I think she's as good of a match as I'll get, so I don't want to blow it....
Ah young padawan, learn the ways of the force.
- Go on dates. Cast a wide net, go out with girls, even some you might not even be all that into based on their profile.  A date is not a marriage, and even if it sucks, you at least got some experience. 
- Don't get excited about someone you haven't met.  You'll just put more pressure on yourself, which is bad.
- Go places that you like and where you feel comfortable.  Go somewhere you can have fun even if she isn't there.  You being comfortable and having fun will be more attractive to her than trying to pretend to have fun somewhere else.  Also, if she blows you off you'll at least be somewhere you like.
- Dating is like everything else in the world, you get better at it with practice.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 20, 2019, 08:06:31 AM
My advice would be not to solicit advice from us knuckleheads. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 20, 2019, 08:07:19 AM
I made the mistake of getting married for practical reasons, we both were graduating, she was pretty, we had a good time, might as well get married.  I did not understand she viewed me as a project, someone who could be made a lot better with some changes.  I ignored some serious warning signs.  I feared moving to a new city, which I was about to do, and having to "start all over" with dating, and this was well before this Internet thing.  In college it's easy to meet girls, in real life, it isn't.

After the divorce, I focused on my kids (they stayed with me fortunately).  The few dates I had just didn't jive with having small kids.  So, I figured I was on my own.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 20, 2019, 09:09:01 AM
I was musing about how much I've changed over the years, I think one of the biggest changes has been to quit worrying about what others think (beyond the bounds of being decent to people).  When I was younger, I would stress over this, usually subliminally.  Some of it was the job of course where early in your career you need to worry about what your bosses think.  And the odd thing is I think I get along with more people on a personal level now than I did when I would worry about how to get along with people.

The facade is not genuine, and few people can pull it off without seeming to be fake.

We call them "politicians".
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 20, 2019, 10:28:30 AM
I used to tell my kids "The hardest thing to be in life is yourself.", and of course they'd "WUT?".

Now they chuckle when telling me that same thing.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 20, 2019, 10:44:44 AM
Like Cincy, I definitely ignored some warning signs the first time around... And a lot of it, I think, came from two things:


When my now wife and I met, I didn't particularly think I was ready for a long-term relationship, and I frankly didn't care about trying to be. Coming off a divorce, I expected I'd have 5+ years of sorting through all sorts of psychos and crazies in SoCal, and knew that if I did that and was having fun and none of them worked out, I'd be just fine with that. My wife was coming off a relationship where the guy was a liar and a cheat, and she was looking for someone fun to date and specifically told her friends she wanted a "no feels" guy. And then we just hit it off perfectly.

So yeah, I would say that for my ex, one of those red flags was "well it's time to settle down"... You don't want that to be your own red flag. You don't have to settle down and find someone now that your career is where you want it. Go out, play the field, meet as many women as you can. And if one of them works, great. If they don't, it's better to move on rather that saddle yourself with a relationship with the wrong one. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 20, 2019, 10:52:02 AM
On that note, I will offer some real, practical advice: the 90-day rule. 

This one came from a buddy who, after a messed up divorce from a woman he married too young when he lived abroad and was homesick, was single from about the age of 25 or so until 38 when he married the right one. He dated a LOT of women over that stretch, to the point that he developed what he calls the 90-day rule. 

If you've been dating 90 days and you don't see a real, legitimate future with her, to the point where you actually think she's "marriage material", break it off at 90 days. 

That's not to say that every girl that makes it past 90 days is a soul mate, but if you can definitively say that it's a no-go at 90 days, it's not going to get better. Doesn't matter if there are positive things about her. Doesn't matter if the sex is mind-blowing. Doesn't matter if she's ridiculously hot and looks great on your arm. If you get to 90 days and you know she's not the one, don't waste her [or your] time. Taking a woman who you believe isn't right at 90 days and continuing it on risks you getting stuck with her because eventually both of you get so entwined that neither wants to break it off but neither really wants it to continue, and that's a recipe for unhappiness down the road. Rip the bandaid off at 90 days and move on instead. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 20, 2019, 11:33:35 AM
Wow, some similar experiences indeed.  We are not alone.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 20, 2019, 11:34:59 AM
Mostly the same here. Just too young and too stupid. Pretty damn happy now though. Not sure how it could possibly be better.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 20, 2019, 11:36:30 AM
We grow too soon old and too slow smart.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 20, 2019, 12:56:25 PM
you already have plenty of "sound" advice from CincyDawg and MaximumSam

so, this bachelor won't offer

I'm a knucklehead, ask any of the women I've dated
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 20, 2019, 01:17:50 PM
I am somewhat surprised that Badge uses a microwave.
Hah! I missed this one. That is actually a GE Café Advantium. There is one in my rental too. Anyway, I bought it because it was a convection oven (can always use an extra oven), a broiler, a proofing machine and, yes, a microwave. It has a special base you can put in and make perfect bacon (in 4 minutes), or sear the perfect fish or veggies or anything else. The thing is amazing.

https://products.geappliances.com/appliance/gea-specs/PSA9240SFSS

That's the Profile Advantium in the picture (Café is a little better). I strongly recommend one of these, regardless of which.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 20, 2019, 01:21:02 PM
By the way, I LOVE the 90 days rule. Sometimes it doesn't take that long, but if it does, I agree. Cut the cord before the cord cuts you.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 20, 2019, 01:33:15 PM
By the way, I LOVE the 90 days rule. Sometimes it doesn't take that long, but if it does, I agree. Cut the cord before the cord cuts you.
It sounds like a joke when you first hear about the rule, but when you start thinking about it, it's quite brilliant. It really does make a lot of sense and will stop a lot of people from getting pulled into something they'll eventually have a tough time getting out of.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 20, 2019, 01:46:32 PM
I applied the rule many times, without knowing the rule. Heh.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on February 20, 2019, 02:02:24 PM
On that note, I will offer some real, practical advice: the 90-day rule.

If you've been dating 90 days and you don't see a real, legitimate future with her, to the point where you actually think she's "marriage material", break it off at 90 days.
Wish I would have thought about that with my Bookie
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 20, 2019, 02:08:12 PM
more like 60 days for me
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 20, 2019, 02:09:30 PM
It sounds like a joke when you first hear about the rule, but when you start thinking about it, it's quite brilliant. It really does make a lot of sense and will stop a lot of people from getting pulled into something they'll eventually have a tough time getting out of.
That's not bad. 
I dated a chick once that looked good and really knew her way around the mattress, but she was crazy as Hell and meaner than a snake. So I tried to break it off early, and she just begged me to give her another chance. So for a while she was just sweet as can be, but you could tell that it pained her to be that way and that it was totally inauthentic. So finally I was just done, and she was like "thanks for wasting my time, why didn't you just break it off from the get go?" I'm like "What? Do you not remember when... aw, never mind. It's not you, it's me. Please don't cut my brakes." 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on February 20, 2019, 02:12:10 PM
In other news, I'm finally seriously pursuing a relationship for the first time in my life since I finally have some stability in my career, and I can use all the dating advice I can get.
  https://youtu.be/92gP2J0CUjc?t=91
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on February 20, 2019, 02:25:47 PM
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I was married by a judge. I should have asked for a jury.
- Groucho Marx


Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 20, 2019, 02:33:45 PM
A buddy of mine is a "stereo maven", so I asked him about some new speakers when I wanted to upgrade.  He gave me sound advice.  Ha.  Monitor Audios.  They work for me.

I forget all of what he has at home but he told me he spent over $2000 on speaker cables.  And when he added some more speakers, he spent more than that again he said.  I used to run lamp cord electrical back in the day, I've modernized since then with some decent connections but not crazy cables.

I'm still "amused" how much an upgrade sound system in a CAR can be in new cars.  You can easily see an extra $1500 on the sticker for some kind of upgrade, in a car, which makes noise.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MaximumSam on February 20, 2019, 02:53:31 PM
I was musing about how much I've changed over the years, I think one of the biggest changes has been to quit worrying about what others think (beyond the bounds of being decent to people).  When I was younger, I would stress over this, usually subliminally.  Some of it was the job of course where early in your career you need to worry about what your bosses think.  And the odd thing is I think I get along with more people on a personal level now than I did when I would worry about how to get along with people.

The facade is not genuine, and few people can pull it off without seeming to be fake.

We call them "politicians".
This is totally true.  When you are young, you spend so much energy on trying to be what other people want you to be, which includes potential mates.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 20, 2019, 02:55:28 PM
then you get to be a grumpy old man and just don't give a shit if anyone likes you
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 20, 2019, 02:59:07 PM
then you get to be a grumpy old man and just don't give a shit if anyone likes you
Yup, and then people by and large think you are "colorful" and start liking you.
"Seems like when I git ta likin' someone they ain't around very long."
"I notice when you git ta disliking someone, they ain't around long neither."
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 20, 2019, 03:09:03 PM
You guys are killing me.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 20, 2019, 07:35:11 PM

I forget all of what he has at home but he told me he spent over $2000 on speaker cables.  And when he added some more speakers, he spent more than that again he said.  I used to run lamp cord electrical back in the day, I've modernized since then with some decent connections but not crazy cables.
As an electrical engineer  I can tell you with certainty that those high priced speaker wires are bullshit.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: longhorn320 on February 20, 2019, 09:07:46 PM
Im not getting married anymore

Im just gonna find a woman I hate and buy her a house
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MichiFan87 on February 22, 2019, 07:39:54 AM
Thanks for the input guys. I'm certainly not going to waste my time with the wrong woman. I've met enough people who've been in bad relationships and marriages.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 22, 2019, 08:21:24 AM
Don't flaunt your new found wealth right off the bat. You don't want her to like you for the wrong reasons. Let it be a surprise if it works out. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 22, 2019, 02:54:08 PM
Odd facts:

1.  The two primary workers on our kitchen were born in Africa.
2.  The countertop company is run by folks born in Africa.
3.  The fellow who templated today is born in Africa.

The main guy is still up there drilling and hammering and sawing at something.  Should I give him a tip?  He's doing a very conscientious job.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 22, 2019, 03:00:52 PM
I would give them each $20.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 22, 2019, 03:09:40 PM
Wouldn't it be easier to just buy a condo in Africa instead of making all of those people come to Atlanta?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 22, 2019, 03:13:31 PM
I did not make anyone come to Atlanta.  I will probably give the main dude $50.  He's done a few minor side things for the wife.  And he is really doing quite a good job, often asking us about doing this or that when there is an option, and some of the options involve more effort on his part.

My closest friend in Cincy was also born in Africa.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: JerseyTerrapin on February 25, 2019, 10:51:04 AM
HOF Gary Williams on the toughest loss of his career:

"In 2010 we were playing Michigan State. They had Draymond Greene who plays for Golden State now. We were 15 down in the second half and we had a player named Greivis Vasquez who was an All-American and one of the great players to ever play at Maryland. We had to win our last seven games that year in conference to tie Duke for the regular season ACC championship in 2010. And we got into the NCAA Tournament and we got a tough draw. We had to play Michigan State in our second game and we came back somehow against a very good defensive team. Tom Izzo's teams at Michigan State are always tough. They never back up when you play against them. To make up that 15 and to take the lead on a great shot by Vasquez, they go down, they mess up, they get trapped on the sideline. They throw a pass from the top of the circle, and they had a player there that couldn't make a shot from five feet. The kid ducks and lets the ball go to the next guy.

"The guy's a good shooter. [Korie] Lucious is his name, who left school two weeks later by the way. And he nailed the shot to beat us. The other tough thing about that game is, in the other bracket, which who we would've played in the elite eight after that, Northern Iowa upset Kansas. So we would've had Northern Iowa. If you win that game, and we would've been favored in that game, you would've played Tennessee to get the to Final Four. And Michigan State got to the Final Four and they deserved it. But I still think about that game, how that could happen at the end of the game. There's just some things that happen in sports when you just shake your head and hopefully you can move on."
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 25, 2019, 03:53:15 PM
The wife and I went on a long walk today.  The pear and peach trees and daffodils are blooming.  I actually got too hot in the sun.  I love this.

https://beltline.org/

This is one of the best urban ideas I've ever seen even if it was dreamt up by a tech student.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 25, 2019, 03:57:17 PM
It's springtime?!?!?!?

not in the Rockies
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 25, 2019, 04:04:12 PM
I'm planning a trip to Texas to visit my overly educated brother next week.  Spring needs to get to Texas.

Highs next Monday & Tuesday in D/FW area only 40-41 degrees with AM snow showers and overnight lows in the mid-20s

of course here in beautiful NW Iowa the forecast is for highs at 9 degrees above and lows in the negative single digits.

I'm ready for spring football practice
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 25, 2019, 04:07:04 PM
I see Sat. through Thu the lows are supposed to be around freezing, so we're not really into spring yet, but today felt like it.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 25, 2019, 04:17:18 PM
well, if the fruit trees are blooming, y'all don't want a hard freeze
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 25, 2019, 04:38:23 PM
The lowest Low I saw was 28°F, which should be "OK" I think.  The park has a section that is a kind of demonstration farm and they have fruit trees and bee hives and grow other things.  It's pretty neat really, part of it is for children to garden.

The city is really pretty when the azaleas and dogwoods come out.  The wife has not seen that yet.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on February 25, 2019, 05:38:25 PM
well, if the fruit trees are blooming, y'all don't want a hard freeze
Sure they do let 'em have it.That'll teach the infidels to turn tail and leave the great white north
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 25, 2019, 06:01:21 PM
Our frigid temperatures have finally eased... I think I saw a high of 70 today. 

Unfortunately [for enjoyment, but fortunately for our water situation] we're predicted to rain again on Sat/Sun. Ugh. I need to brew again this weekend, which means I need to pull the Jeep out of the garage, which means I need to cover it in a tarp or painter's drop cloth if it's raining.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on February 26, 2019, 12:45:04 AM
Stop sipping wine in NAPA it's a Jeep for crying out loud,somewhere a GI is cursing and swearing,cursing and swearing
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 26, 2019, 05:56:46 AM
We have only seen 6 days where the temps got to normal (or above) in the past month. March doesn't look good either. The polar vortex sets in again this weekend too. Sunday will see a low of -2. Getting really sick of this winter, and there's not a normal (or above) predicted until March 15.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 26, 2019, 08:56:57 AM
https://www.caranddriver.com/features/g26426806/10best-cars-winners-2019-flipbook/?utm_source=facebook_ign&utm_medium=cpm&utm_campaign=ign_g26426806_fb_d_i&fbclid=IwAR1tQf_LIgJ-_YGcOUmK9P8_g-Vg1l002DGadanmIgCv9_gOu-x_h3GLtso

A decent list, but of course what is best for you personally can be something not on such a list (they handle SUVs separately).

I will say the GTI drives very well, is comfortable on long trips where it gets 40 mpg at 80 mph, and goes when you press on the right pedal even if you are in the wrong hear a bit.  It also has the room we need for stuff.  It's easier to handle in city traffic than the CTS for sure.

Cars are expensive, but we're at least down to one now which works just fine for us.  If he has the car and I HAD to get somewhere, Uber is now a viable option.

I think Uber/Lyft et al. are going to change our System a lot when autonomous driving becomes a real thing.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on February 26, 2019, 10:01:25 AM
We have only seen 6 days where the temps got to normal (or above) in the past month. March doesn't look good either. The polar vortex sets in again this weekend too. Sunday will see a low of -2. Getting really sick of this winter, and there's not a normal (or above) predicted until March 15.
The funny thing is the national "experts" predicted in November we would have a warmer than normal winter in the upper mid-west.Something about el-nino.On the the bright side we haven't had that much snow and the sun has been out a lot at 15-25 degree avg
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 26, 2019, 11:09:25 AM
Those long range predictions are barely better than random picking, if that.  The predictions for the next 3 days are usually decent, and after that they get increasingly wrong.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 26, 2019, 01:13:00 PM
I'm hoping like heck that the extended forecast for Arlington and Round Rock, TX are very wrong

and they probably are wrong
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: GopherRock on February 26, 2019, 01:14:48 PM
Southeast Minnesota is encased in snow. I-35 and I-90 in our district didn't reopen until late last night. Some wicked drifting really socked in the area, and some roads still aren't dug out. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 26, 2019, 01:15:41 PM
do not move to Minnesoooota!
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 26, 2019, 01:24:42 PM
We have 43 inches of snow this year (normal is about 31). There is much more to come.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 26, 2019, 01:34:50 PM
We have seen nary a snowflake.  A bit was predicted but it went way north of us.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 26, 2019, 05:04:09 PM
Per a university release and press conference today, Georgia Tech has entered into a partnership with AMB Sports & Entertainment and Peach Bowl, Inc. that affords the Yellow Jackets an annual home game at Mercedes-Benz Stadium

GaTech is going to play a game each year in the dome instead of their home field.  Derp.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on February 26, 2019, 05:05:32 PM
Per a university release and press conference today, Georgia Tech has entered into a partnership with AMB Sports & Entertainment and Peach Bowl, Inc. that affords the Yellow Jackets an annual home game at Mercedes-Benz Stadium

GaTech is going to play a game each year in the dome instead of their home field.  Derp.
Usually the best thing for a team with a sagging fan base to do is play in a larger, off campus venue.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 26, 2019, 05:17:33 PM
Another dumbass gimmick idea.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 26, 2019, 06:32:45 PM
They appear to be selecting games with opponents like Clemson and Notre Dame, and perhaps UGA, where opposing fans will fill the place up and the seating capacity is higher than it is at Bobby Dodd-Grant Field.

It probably makes sense financially, which of course is not to say it makes sense for the fan.  Tech is in trouble I think.  I don't know where they go.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 26, 2019, 06:47:49 PM
it's worth a try if the program is hurting
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 26, 2019, 07:05:29 PM
It might bite them in the ass, yes. But it might also bring in some high-profile opponents that wouldn't otherwise be playing GT. Maybe that will offset the off-campus games?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 27, 2019, 06:44:26 AM
To me, it's an indication that the program is struggling, which is obvious.  You don't have to do this unless that is the case.  

I imagine other programs have tried something like this in the past, but I can't of any.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 28, 2019, 03:23:52 PM
I finished my taxes and printed them out, 92 pages worth.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on February 28, 2019, 04:00:35 PM
the accounting firm has mine

they will either call with questions or simply call to tell me they are done and need a signature
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on February 28, 2019, 04:05:19 PM
I'll do mine one of these next couple of weekends.  I don't know the first thing about cars, but I think if I told my dad I sent mine out to get done he'd look at me like other people's fathers would if they told them they took their car in for an oil change.

He's not an accountant or anything, but used to do his entire extended family's all by hand, and I'd sit and learn.  I have few life skills, but I'm pretty good with taxes.  When I got married and my wife and I started filing jointly, I started looking at the crap the accountant she had been using was doing, and it made my blood boil.  He was missing obvious stuff, but falsely claiming other stuff.  It was a mess.  I was shocked we didn't get audited that first year, simply because of how many things on hers changed without reason, just because they were suddenly finally done correctly.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on February 28, 2019, 04:11:55 PM
I saw somewhere that the percentage of folks itemizing would drop from 30% to 5%.  I was not far from not itemizing myself, which was a surprise.  I got a hit on the state and local property tax thing.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 28, 2019, 04:28:27 PM
The business returns should be done by tomorrow, and then I can have the personal ones done.



SALT limits are going to hurt me, badly. We'll still itemize though.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on February 28, 2019, 08:26:17 PM
What are these income taxes you posters speak of?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on March 01, 2019, 08:54:49 AM
Btw, Shawn Oakman was acquitted yesterday. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 01, 2019, 09:18:29 AM
What are these income taxes you posters speak of?
Yeah, unpleasant annual duty around here.  I had to pay another $40 to get the second state.  I only paid about $45 for the original TT version at Costco.  Then at the end I paid $40 to file electronically with each state because I was too lazy to print the forms and mail them in.
A LONG time ago, I had created an Excel spreadsheet that mirrored the tax forms.  It was pretty good and very useful in that it did all the calculations for you.  Then Turbotx et al. appeared, and was cheap at the time, and I was hooked.
I would love for there to be some real tax simplification but I don't expect it, don't mean to get political.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Riffraft on March 01, 2019, 09:45:49 AM
Yeah, unpleasant annual duty around here.  I had to pay another $40 to get the second state.  I only paid about $45 for the original TT version at Costco.  Then at the end I paid $40 to file electronically with each state because I was too lazy to print the forms and mail them in.
A LONG time ago, I had created an Excel spreadsheet that mirrored the tax forms.  It was pretty good and very useful in that it did all the calculations for you.  Then Turbotx et al. appeared, and was cheap at the time, and I was hooked.
I would love for there to be some real tax simplification but I don't expect it, don't mean to get political.
Hold on now, I make money on the complexity of the tax system. No simplification. Also please don't let people know that they can use a program like Turbotax and do it themselves. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 01, 2019, 11:34:23 AM
Sorry.  This year was unusually painful for me.  My eyes were giving up the ghost several times trying to make sense of things.

I even called TT and got no help from them at all.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 01, 2019, 11:39:47 AM
Btw, Shawn Oakman was acquitted yesterday.
Very interesting.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 01, 2019, 12:12:49 PM
The electrician has been here installing stuff, including undercabinet lighting.  It is multicolored and can be set to cycle between red, orange, green, blue, yellow, and fortunately white.

We were laughing at it, but ended up leaving it on last night during dinner.  We decided we kinda liked it for a background lighting feature.  It is weird though.

We can set it to just white.  Still waiting on countertops of course.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 01, 2019, 12:18:05 PM
The electrician has been here installing stuff, including undercabinet lighting.  It is multicolored and can be set to cycle between red, orange, green, blue, yellow, and fortunately white.

We were laughing at it, but ended up leaving it on last night during dinner.  We decided we kinda liked it for a background lighting feature.  It is weird though.

We can set it to just white.  Still waiting on countertops of course.
Counter guys suck, generally. If they tell you a week, plan on two.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 01, 2019, 01:20:45 PM
They said 5 to 7 workings days.  Today is Day 5, or maybe 4.  These guys are Africans so they could be faster.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 01, 2019, 01:56:05 PM
Costco filets are good, $12.60/lb here.  I grilled some last night.  The previous occupants left a small electric grill I had turned up my nose at but it actually is quite good, I prefer it to gas.  It cranks up the heat and I get a very good sear.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 01, 2019, 04:55:02 PM
https://247sports.com/college/georgia/Article/Georgia-Football-seeking-more-non-conference-home-and-home-series-129601542/

Dawgs supposedly in talks with FSU.  I'd prefer a program out of the SE myself.  Wisconsin would be good.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 01, 2019, 06:12:34 PM
I saw somewhere that the percentage of folks itemizing would drop from 30% to 5%.  I was not far from not itemizing myself, which was a surprise.  I got a hit on the state and local property tax thing.  
The business returns should be done by tomorrow, and then I can have the personal ones done.

SALT limits are going to hurt me, badly. We'll still itemize though.
SALT limits doesn't get me TOO badly any more. When I owned the house before the divorce, it helped. Not only was the mortgage interest deduction great considering CA real estate prices, but state and local taxes helped me at tax time because CA sucks for both. (Actually with prop 13, our state property tax rate is low, but it's still expensive AF given the house prices).
But now that I'm no longer a homeowner, the amount I get screwed by the SALT limit is nowhere near as large as the amount I would have gotten screwed last year. The good news is that after getting married, I'll manage to avoid the AMT (killed me last year). The bad news is that the SALT limit is 10K for single, and 10K for married, so my SALT exemption got cut in half. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 01, 2019, 06:19:22 PM
Yeah, we no longer have the property tax to worry about now that we are renting, but the state income tax is going to be far above the limit. 



1 year, 7 months, 30 days. Buh bye, Illinois. But don't worry. I'll be sure turn the lights off when I cross the border as a resident, for the last time.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 02, 2019, 11:16:10 AM
This is an interesting read.


https://www.chicagotribune.com/business/dollarsense/ct-biz-baby-boomers-retire-dollarsense-20190301-story.html
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 02, 2019, 04:20:41 PM
Kinda along those lines, my company was offering a nice package for early retirees, but our R&D VP made my group not eligible because he was afraid of losing his technical core.  My peers in management at the same level got the deal, but those of us on the technical side did not.  I was actually thinking about suing.  If I was more valuable, I should be compensated more, which was not the case.  

A buddy of mine suggested I bide my time and wait them out as they would fold eventually, and he was right.  About 5 months later they opened it up to us "techno" dudes as well.

I ended up with 5 more months of salary and benefits in effect, while actually DOING almost nothing except the TPS Report each week (which no one read).

I actually did send out a TPS Report each week.  I had three folks in India put it together for me and I attached a cover letter and sent it out to over 100 people.  I had named it "The Patent Summary Report" and routinely called it the TPS Report.  That was about the extent of my work in a week.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 03, 2019, 10:13:35 PM
Record low temp in the smelly onion place is imminent.  Great time for a visit here. Come on up.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 03, 2019, 10:51:40 PM
we won't come close to any records over night, but it is a good time for me to head to Texas Monday morning

got the golf shorts packed
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MichiFan87 on March 03, 2019, 11:06:22 PM
As much as I liked Chicago, the taxes were definitely annoying (I didn't mind the winter weather as much because the summer weather was nice compared to more humid places like.... DC, which has its own issues, even ignoring politics, including the cost of living, but the taxes aren't bad (income/sales/property alike). They're the two main cities I'd consider living in, particularly because they both have opportunities in my field (clean energy), especially with the new legislation Illinois appears likely to pass to go all in on renewables (or at least away from coal & gas even if nuclear remains supported), while DC already passed its own bill in December and obviously has a lot of national organizations and companies in this space.... Time will tell, though. I just hope to figure it out in the next year or so, so I can finally buy a place either way.

In case you all are wondering, my date I mentioned got postponed but should finally happen this week....
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 05, 2019, 11:23:04 AM
https://247sports.com/college/georgia/Article/Kirk-Herbstreit-ESPN-College-Gameday-rare-footage-129735860/?fbclid=IwAR37TNtyjndwlkZbV0mTEGtwfQwhHovsGxRlehPrN2PAnRn_HTD-TBuBd4k

Kirk Herbie Street, his first appearance on ESPN.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on March 05, 2019, 12:09:51 PM
I can remember Herbie as a Jabber jock on local sports talk radio. He burned through a few co-hosts before settling on Ian Fitzsimmons, who is now a National guy.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 05, 2019, 12:19:17 PM
Who are the 2 announcers in the both?Is the one Matt Millen?The guy certainly looks familiar but that was in '95
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 05, 2019, 03:20:36 PM
So, when I retired, I had an aim to "get back into shape".  Good luck with that.  And of course initially I did next to nothing anyway.  In 2016, I went back to a baseball fantasy camp, something I did in 1992.  I had a blast, but clearly needed to be in better condition, so I started, and man it's tough.

These days I do something every day, if the weather permits I'm outside running, doing sprints, whatever, and then spend some time in the gym.  Today it was just gym time, and my muscle stuff is improving a lot.  Flexibility is tougher.  I have lost 20 pounds, I had really ballooned to almost 240.  Obviously that extra fat as enemy number one.  I hit 98.0 kg yesterday.

I went to the wife's pilates instructor last week and go a few ideas for flexibility.

My advice, if you're 40, and tired, is to MAKE TIME to do a little bit every day, and more when you can, even if it's a nightly set of pushups.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 05, 2019, 03:31:06 PM
My advice, if you're 40, and tired, is to MAKE TIME to do a little bit every day, and more when you can, even if it's a nightly set of pushups.
I'm both of those things... I'll try to get right on that.
Actually, I really need to. I've let my weight climb a lot, and haven't been hiking at all in at least a year. I don't know what my weight is exactly right now... Should probably buy a scale. I just know it's up. Figure I'm somewhere in the 270 vicinity. 
I did buy a bicycle finally, and some weights, and we're talking about going to the gym as well. 
But--and it's horrible to say this given that I'm in Southern California--the weather has just made it impossible to work out outside lately ;-)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 05, 2019, 05:48:13 PM
Sparky and the Santa Anna winds want a word with you  
                                                                                     >:(
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on March 05, 2019, 06:53:32 PM
I incorporate a little exercise into my workday. 

I am surrounded by somewhat heavy things that are easy to move around at all times. Might as well put 'em to use. Curls, bench press, chin ups... you just gotta get creative. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on March 06, 2019, 01:16:15 AM
Finished taxes tonight and will drop them off w cpa in morning.   I'm sure it will be 100+ pages .  Celebrated w a good Peloton workout .  Sure can't wait to ride outside again.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 06, 2019, 07:26:01 AM
Still no sign of a high above normal, any time soon. 



8 degrees this morning - January 65, 2019. 



F winter.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on March 06, 2019, 07:57:06 AM
I try to do some walking around the office as the Fitbit demands. No lifting. There’s something I dislike about being sweaty at work. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 06, 2019, 08:30:20 AM
Beautiful sunny day here, but was 23°F when I got up.  I think this is the coldest we've been all winter.  When it's this cold here it's nearly always clear (radiative cooling).  Snow only happens on those fairly rare occasions where the Gulf sends up moisture and some cold front crashes through, and it doesn't last long.

We should be good to go in a week or so.  All those blooms I saw last week are getting hammered.  The wife has a camelia in a pot that is blooming but hey seem able to survive the cold and bloom in winter.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 06, 2019, 10:00:35 AM
Beautiful sunny day here, but was 23°F when I got up.  I think this is the coldest we've been all winter.  
Weather Channel showed a National Map on Winter Temps.Ohio was blue as it was 15-25 deg under normal for this winter.Surprisingly we are like 3 feet behind in snow accumulation in N.E.Ohio.I could deal with these winters from here on out
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: GopherRock on March 06, 2019, 10:07:17 AM
Looking like another foot of snow here in MSP this weekend. And unlike everything we've gotten this winter, this is going to be the heavy, wet slop that will kill you if you try to shovel it. 

Uncle!
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 06, 2019, 10:09:47 AM
I hear that GR - ALWAYS use a  scarf over your mouth when shoveling.Cursing and swearing,cursing and swearing!!!
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 07, 2019, 09:08:43 AM
Who-hoo gonna be above freezing for the 1st time in about a week,just in time for some Sugar-Maple Festivals.Supposed to plunge again next week - good times
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 07, 2019, 04:45:03 PM
The wife had to go up to the French Consulate today, and after we had lunch and went to see this:

https://www.atlantamagazine.com/great-reads/redeeming-the-cyclorama-why-the-century-old-attraction-is-anything-but-a-monument-to-the-confederacy/

It's now open and fully restored in its new digs in Buckhead.  It's impressive.  The history of the painting is entertaining.  It used to be the largest oil painting in the world.  I last saw it 25 years ago.  The painting weighs 10,000 pounds.  It was being ruined in the old building in Grant Park.  The battle site is about 3 miles south of where we live now.  Today of course it's solid city with a MARTA line running through the middle of it.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 08, 2019, 07:27:34 AM
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/chevrolet/camaro/2019/2019-chevrolet-camaro-ss-first-test-review/?sm_id=organic_fb_MT_trueanthem&utm_campaign&utm_content=5c81daec3ed3f00001b27ec5&utm_medium&utm_source&fbclid=IwAR3WU_TuAK5HN58BwijUN9cTBISvpgpvv9uabCi9Dd6xr71hP1NwV6fUbP4

The first Camaro had a 2 speed automatic transmission (Called "Powerglide").  The latest has a 10 speed (the manual is 6 speeds).  If ten speeds the max for a passenger car?  And this is mated to an engine with a ton of torque available at just about any RPM.  Is that overkill?  I bought a car in 2005 that had a 5 speed auto and I though that was overkill at the time.

If you've ever sat in a modern Camaro, you know it ls like sitting in a bunker.  We rent a convertible at times on trips but I look for the Mustang, even though the 4 cylinder turbo in that car is unimpressive to me.  It also has a 10 speed in it.  The Mustang has better visibility with the top up and more room in the trunk and backseat.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on March 08, 2019, 07:35:56 AM
Good call on the bunker like camaro.  I was given one w/o asking as a rental, back when we only had one child, and it was an absolute no go.  The Avis dude couldn't help but blush when I came around to pick up my wife and infant. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 08, 2019, 07:49:30 AM
The designers wanted a low roof to look cool on the outside, but inside it's just about a nonstarter for me.  When the wife wanted a convertible it was on my short list, but I was going for the BMW 2 series instead.  Then she said a nice sun roof would be fine, and that saved me some change getting the GTI, which she likes a lot, and it is a very practical car for space.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 08, 2019, 09:31:03 AM
Right now my i s c & a aggie wife is looking to move on from her Toyota Solara convertible, to a BMW 4-series with the retractable hard top.  She still loves a convertible, but the road noise from the ragtop is starting to annoy her and the retractable hard tops are somewhat quieter.

I'm trying to convince her to go with a convertible Mustang but I'm not sure I'm having much success.  She actually likes it a lot, but after having test-driven both a few times, she's definitely liking the interior styling and trim better on the BMW.  Shocking I know.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 08, 2019, 09:32:35 AM
Overall I think the Camaros look very cool, but that low top is a problem.  But that car isn't really made for a family man, it's made for teens and 20-somethings that just want to look cool.  I can dig it, I was a teen once upon a time, too.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 08, 2019, 09:55:00 AM
The BMW 230i or 240i are nice cars, but have a rag top.  They also get pricey, into Corvette territory almost.

I liked the 240i a lot.  But the GTI is far more practical and cheaper.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 08, 2019, 11:04:08 AM
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/chevrolet/camaro/2019/2019-chevrolet-camaro-ss-first-test-review/?sm_id=organic_fb_MT_trueanthem&utm_campaign&utm_content=5c81daec3ed3f00001b27ec5&utm_medium&utm_source&fbclid=IwAR3WU_TuAK5HN58BwijUN9cTBISvpgpvv9uabCi9Dd6xr71hP1NwV6fUbP4

The first Camaro had a 2 speed automatic transmission (Called "Powerglide").  The latest has a 10 speed (the manual is 6 speeds).  If ten speeds the max for a passenger car?  And this is mated to an engine with a ton of torque available at just about any RPM.  Is that overkill?  I bought a car in 2005 that had a 5 speed auto and I though that was overkill at the time.

If you've ever sat in a modern Camaro, you know it ls like sitting in a bunker.  We rent a convertible at times on trips but I look for the Mustang, even though the 4 cylinder turbo in that car is unimpressive to me.  It also has a 10 speed in it.  The Mustang has better visibility with the top up and more room in the trunk and backseat.
I have to think that at some number of gears they either reach a point of diminishing returns on transmissions, or they perfect the CVT enough to make "number of gears" a completely obsolete concept. I'm not sure they have a CVT that can reliably handle that much horsepower yet though. I've only seen them so far in more economy-oriented cars.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 08, 2019, 11:06:33 AM
Right now my i s c & a aggie wife is looking to move on from her Toyota Solara convertible, to a BMW 4-series with the retractable hard top.  She still loves a convertible, but the road noise from the ragtop is starting to annoy her and the retractable hard tops are somewhat quieter.

I'm trying to convince her to go with a convertible Mustang but I'm not sure I'm having much success.  She actually likes it a lot, but after having test-driven both a few times, she's definitely liking the interior styling and trim better on the BMW.  Shocking I know.
Here ya go.
(https://www.cfb51.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgtspirit.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F09%2FMercedes-AMG-GT-C-Roadster-1.jpg&hash=6da0b71c61738ed3ff1467a47c81bba4)


Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 08, 2019, 11:31:47 AM
CVTs can handle up to 300 hp at this point, apparently.  They drive oddly, and most are programmed to simulate shift points, which sort of negates the advantage.

I would have guessed 8 speeds would be plenty for these torquey engines.

The 10 speed is no faster and I don't think there is a MPG advantage.  This was codeveloped by Ford and GM.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on March 08, 2019, 11:36:06 AM
[This probably belongs in a thread that already exists on amateurism, but I was only willing to dig so far to find it before giving up and coming here:]

There's one "pay the players" strategy I've supported for years: Don't pay them directly. Just let them chase their own market value from third parties. Whatever they get is commensurate with their value and deserved. And that plan is finally reaching US Congress.

https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2019/03/07/ncaa-student-athletes-profit-name-use-bill-introduced-mark-walker

Because if we live in America and can fix an injustice with capitalism, why wouldn't we? And for those who argue there is no injustice, no worries, if the bill passes and you're right, no one will ever give these kids money, because if you're right, their market value is zero bits greater than room/board/tuition. Would be fun to run that experiment.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 08, 2019, 12:12:15 PM
https://atlanta.curbed.com/2019/3/8/18256034/complete-streets-midtown-spring-west-peachtree

This is my "hood" with a photo depiction of construction in the area of late.  It's crazy.  The ATL like many growing cities has a tradition of over building just before the oops.

And while the population is exploding they are reducing lanes on the streets.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 08, 2019, 12:32:34 PM
CVTs can handle up to 300 hp at this point, apparently.  They drive oddly, and most are programmed to simulate shift points, which sort of negates the advantage.

I would have guessed 8 speeds would be plenty for these torquey engines.

The 10 speed is no faster and I don't think there is a MPG advantage.  This was codeveloped by Ford and GM.
Hmm. Neither faster NOR MPG advantage? That I don't necessarily get... I thought one of the big advantages--even more than performance--was the ability to keep the engine in more efficient RPMs to help improve MPG. Not sure why they cared to use it, then...
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 08, 2019, 12:42:50 PM
[This probably belongs in a thread that already exists on amateurism, but I was only willing to dig so far to find it before giving up and coming here:]

There's one "pay the players" strategy I've supported for years: Don't pay them directly. Just let them chase their own market value from third parties. Whatever they get is commensurate with their value and deserved. And that plan is finally reaching US Congress.

https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2019/03/07/ncaa-student-athletes-profit-name-use-bill-introduced-mark-walker

Because if we live in America and can fix an injustice with capitalism, why wouldn't we? And for those who argue there is no injustice, no worries, if the bill passes and you're right, no one will ever give these kids money, because if you're right, their market value is zero bits greater than room/board/tuition. Would be fun to run that experiment.
As far as fairness to the players is concerned, I get this as a strategy. It seems odd to not allow them to get some level of likeness rights and retain amateurism. 
The bigger concern to me, however, has to do with the fairness and parity in the sport, which already suffers quite a bit. And the reason for that is that the name on the front of the uniform generates much higher likeness rights than the name on the back. 
Purdue's Rondale Moore could make a fair bit of money based on his likeness. He'd make a lot MORE at Purdue than he would if he was playing for, say, Ball State. And he'd make a lot LESS than if he was playing for, say, OSU.
Of course, this is an issue in professional sports as well. Players on good teams in good markets would tend to have more valuable likeness rights than players on crappy teams in small markets. You'll sell a lot more jerseys with your name on the back if they're Yankees jerseys than if they're Twins jerseys. 
But the difference in professional sports is that there is a MUCH more equitable way to select players. There's a draft. Players under contract can't decide if or when they'll be traded. There's a salary cap for free agency. Teams have constraints to work within, and those constraints are EXPLICITLY there to help get as close as we can to parity within leagues. So much that there's a big hoopla going on in the NBA right now about players trying to publicly "recruit" other players to their team, as if "recruit" is a dirty word.
In college athletics, recruiting is key. And the helmet teams already have enormous recruiting advantages over non-helmets. Add this into the fold, and those advantages get even bigger. While I'm not one to throw out "the rich get richer and the poor get poorer" in economic terms, because economics is rarely a fixed pie, in this case we're talking about absolutely a zero sum game. The quantity of talented players is finite, and if the helmets take all of them, the rest of the teams might as well not even show up.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 08, 2019, 12:48:05 PM
The big Camaro engine is a 6.2 L pushrod V8.  It has plenty of torque.  It might well be as fast in the quarter mile with a 4 speed, or nearly so.  In track performance, more gears can be an advantage, slightly.  The transmission will stay in gear as you decelerate in track conditions rather than upshift.

Part of the standing start acceleration numbers is dependent on getting all that power to the ground without wheel spin.  Rear wheel drive cars are limited to about 3.0 seconds in 0-60 time for that reason.  

The mpg figures have not yet been released, but the new engine comes with cylinder deactivation as an additional change.

Correction>  2019 model is 16/27 mpg est.  2018 model was 17/27 mpg est

So the 10 speed actually reduced city mpg by one notch.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on March 08, 2019, 12:52:37 PM
@bwarbiany (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=19) - I think that's overblown (the disparity argument).

When was the last time Kansas or Wake Forest secured a Top 100 commit? Once or twice ever? If so, that disparity is already sealed and should remain unaffected. When was the last time the MAC secured a kid who had a legitimate Big Ten offer? Again, that disparity is sealed and should remain unaffected.

I won't argue that this couldn't reshuffle things. We should expect rich programs that are currently not cheating (or cheating less) to move up at the relative expense of all current maximal cheaters. What of poorer programs/smaller fan bases? Well if they are currently cheating, albeit modestly because that's all they have, they are likely to get pushed down, and we should say "good," whereas if they are not currently cheating, they should remain relatively unaffected. 

In any event, these reshufflings are far from guaranteed to increase NCAAF disparities. That ship sailed long ago.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on March 08, 2019, 01:02:42 PM
Another argument fans make is "Well player justice is fine and all but if we know for sure that a guy like Shaquille O'Neil is making an ungodly sum at LSU, then I just won't be interested anymore. To which the response has to be kind of obvious: THAT EXACT THING IS LITERALLY ALREADY THE CASE (https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjs87mEj_PgAhXi34MKHRedBS4QzPwBegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.si.com%2Fcollege-basketball%2F2019%2F03%2F07%2Fwill-wade-christian-dawkins-wiretap-ncaa-corruption-scandal&psig=AOvVaw0ne91rTqhBXuVGVnqgwqvx&ust=1552154177701890)

Delany famously included himself as that kind of fan/administrator, which we can summarize as: "If players get paid then the Big Ten is moving to D-III out of spite.

And if fans read all of this and still want to be that way**, that's fine. It's juvenile, of course. It's also juvenile in the "That's what a child I don't like would do" kind of way.

**(the "I don't like this so give me my ball and I'm going home" way)

But acting that way is their prerogative.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 08, 2019, 01:18:55 PM
@bwarbiany (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=19) - I think that's overblown (the disparity argument).

When was the last time Kansas or Wake Forest secured a Top 100 commit? Once or twice ever? If so, that disparity is already sealed and should remain unaffected. When was the last time the MAC secured a kid who had a legitimate Big Ten offer? Again, that disparity is sealed and should remain unaffected.

I won't argue that this couldn't reshuffle things. We should expect rich programs that are currently not cheating (or cheating less) to move up at the relative expense of all current maximal cheaters. What of poorer programs/smaller fan bases? Well if they are currently cheating, albeit modestly because that's all they have, they are likely to get pushed down, and we should say "good," whereas if they are not currently cheating, they should remain relatively unaffected.

In any event, these reshufflings are far from guaranteed to increase NCAAF disparities. That ship sailed long ago.
I get that... Some of this is already baked in. It's the windmill I find myself tilting at when Purdue fans on the H&R blog are talking about how Brohm, with a few more recruiting classes, could turn us into a CFP sort of team. We're cheering like hell for the 25th-ranked class in the country, a class probably better than we've EVER gotten in our history. That's not even close.
But there have been things that have helped improve parity over the years. Scholarship limits. Now, max number of recruits per year (25) is added, which helps teams that maybe aren't sending a lot of 3-year players into the NFL early and redshirting a lot. And I honestly think that we'll get to a point where the P5 breaks off, which basically takes a haves/have-nots split that already exists and makes it explicit, and could potentially improve parity within the haves [P5]. Maybe it's selfish, but I'm fine with that because Purdue's one of the haves ;-) 
I just sound a note of caution every time I see things which push the parity the wrong direction. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on March 08, 2019, 01:25:09 PM
Here ya go.
(https://www.cfb51.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgtspirit.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F09%2FMercedes-AMG-GT-C-Roadster-1.jpg&hash=6da0b71c61738ed3ff1467a47c81bba4)



That's a beautiful car indeed.  Perhaps not quite within the budget though, at least for now. :)


Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 08, 2019, 05:30:28 PM
the weather in Big D area and Round Rock is good for golf

10-speed trannies seem over kill, but they have smart engineering types working hard

leveling the recruiting field for teams like Purdue probably is an uphill battle
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 09, 2019, 08:30:31 AM
nice morning in Round Rock after the overnight rain, a bit windy but warm

going to HEB to pickup some beef ribs and baby backs for the smoker

my brother will tend the smoker while I play 18
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 09, 2019, 08:40:19 AM
In a sign of the times, Athlon is out with a much poorer version of ELA's ranking of all 2 million teams, and the lowest ranked FBS team on UGA's slate is .... Georgia Tech, below Arkansas State.

This is one reason I'd end the series, the other being I'd rather play someone outside the region, or at least interesting.

Cloudy and perhaps raining here, but warm.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 09, 2019, 09:35:09 AM
Hey CD saw something on Public TV that might pique your interest.Woke up at 2:30 in the morning with the TV going and there was a documentary on the 1st Women's Air Derby from Santa Monica CA to Cleveland.20 women raced cross country in 1929 to promote Aviation and the Women in it.It was truly Barnstorming - they were most certainly a tough lot.The documentary was, Breaking through the Clouds: The First Women's National Air Derby.One woman said flying wasn't in it's infancy but it was still a toddler.Lots of very interesting stories along the way.Humorist Will Rogers called it the Powder Puff Derby.Maintaining the aircraft along the way was the biggest obstacle,that and the weather.

One lady flyer - think it was in the middle of Kansas had the map she was reading blow out of the cock pit.She landed in a farm field a herd of cows gathered around her.She kept repeating "I hope there are no bulls"..."I hope there are no bulls" as her plane was a bright red.There seemed to be some sabotage along the way.Later on authorities suspected some men pilots as times were hard and they didn't want women taking their jobs but this was never proven.One flyer got eliminated as she landed someone pulled their car onto a runway to greet them and they collided.One woman died,she was having engine problems and the others were urging her to get her engine replaced.The last time she took off she was getting carbon monoxide poisoning.15 of the 20 pilots finished and Emelia Earhart came in 3rd.There was a real camaraderie as there was not much money to be made and given early aviation everyone just wanted to finish alive and hoped others did also

One flyer named Poncho Barnes had been a stunt pilot in the movies.She was married to a Episcopal Priest and she use to BUZZ the church after services.They said she could swear for an hour straight like a drunken sailor and not repeat herself.I got this off of Wiki evidently she was a character in the movie The Right Stuff

On her land, Pancho Barnes built the Happy Bottom Riding Club (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Bottom_Riding_Club), also known as the Rancho Oro Verde Fly-Inn Dude Ranch, a dude ranch (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dude_ranch) and restaurant which catered to airmen at the nearby airfield and her friends from Hollywood. Barnes became very close friends with many of the early test pilots, including Chuck Yeager (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Yeager), Robert Anderson "Bob" Hoover (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Hoover), Walt Williams, Jack Ridley, General Jimmy Doolittle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Doolittle), Buzz Aldrin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buzz_Aldrin), North American Aviation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Aviation) flight test mechanic Bob Cadick, and flight test supervisor Roy Ferren.[10] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pancho_Barnes#cite_note-12) Barnes' ranch became famous for the parties and high-flying lifestyle of all the guests.[11] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pancho_Barnes#cite_note-13)
After successful flight trials, the Muroc and Edwards test pilots (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Test_pilot) often enjoyed some good times at the Happy Bottom Riding Club. As proprietor, Barnes would offer them a customary free steak (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steak)[12] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pancho_Barnes#cite_note-Edwards.af.mil-14) dinner for breaking the sound barrier (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_barrier).[13] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pancho_Barnes#cite_note-chuckyeager.com-15)

The Docu(DVD) can prolly be picked up at a library.I have to drop off some WWII books so I'll see if they have the book "The Powder Puff Derby of 1929: The First All Women's Transcontinental Air Race" written by Gene Nora Jessen.Good Stuff
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 09, 2019, 10:18:27 AM
A little rain in West Palm right now, but it will pass soon. It's nice and warm. The bones feel much better down here.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 09, 2019, 10:28:07 AM
Interesting.  Barnes is featured in the Right Stuff.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 09, 2019, 11:18:40 AM
nice morning in Round Rock after the overnight rain, a bit windy but warm

going to HEB to pickup some beef ribs and baby backs for the smoker

my brother will tend the smoker while I play 18
The plan was to take the eldest to a live performance of Aladdin, while my in-laws watched the younger two, and then go out with all of them for pizza. Well, the younger two are sick, my father-in-law has Szogren's so he shouldn't really be around sick kids, and thus we had to reschedule our tickets.
So I'm headed to Costco for a few slabs of baby back ribs, some mac & cheese, green beans, and more wine & beer ;-) 
Will hang out today, watch the Purdue game, tend the smoker, and all will be well. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 09, 2019, 11:19:01 AM
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a25472904/2019-chevrolet-camaro-ss-automatic-by-the-numbers/?utm_campaign=socialflowFBCD&utm_medium=social-media&src=socialflowFBCAD&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR0g1VbP1uccioeozxJ63T9KkIhe6Bzt06Gwqbj57GWQB88BnbIs749RpjI

C&D runs cars on a 75 mph loop and say they got 31 mpg from this thing, which is an improvement even though the EPA mpg estimates are worse.

Maybe they put money into developing this transmission and feel as if they need to use it.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 09, 2019, 12:29:03 PM
We're off for another walk, cloudy today but nothing heavy looking.  We're going to talk over to Atlantic Station which was built on the site of an old steel mill.  We usually drive over there.

http://www.atlanticstation.com/

http://www.atlanticstation.com/directory/store-detail/399402

The Pig and The Pearl is your one-stop shop for all things smoked. The tastiest beef brisket, pork shoulder, lamb, duck and sausage you've ever had along with fresh raw and smoked seafood and shellfish highlight the menu. Simple favorites such as smoked brisket, baked beans and North Carolina vinegar slaw along with smoked sweet potatoes and freshly-fried pork skins have been elevated with precise execution and innovative presentation. The Pig and The Pearl features a full bar specializing in fresh craft punches, as well as a selection of ice cold draft beers to match with whatever you choose from our menu. The wine list pairs with both smoked meats and all seafood dishes, whether they're served raw, steamed or smoked. Classic cocktails for every taste will round out the selections, and you'll feel right at home if you choose to settle in to the bar for your meal.



Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 09, 2019, 01:43:12 PM
Are those two look a like facilities part of the old steel works
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 09, 2019, 03:55:35 PM
I had a pulled pork plate.  The pork and slaw were OK.  Service was a bit slow.  We dined outside which was nice.  It's too fancy to have real Q though.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 10, 2019, 11:03:02 AM
https://247sports.com/college/georgia/LongFormArticle/College-football-preseason-Top-25-rankings-2019-Brett-McMurphy-129777059/#129777059_24

I see two kinds of preseason polls each year:

1.  The standard kind that all look pretty much the same, a few minor adjustments from last year's final rankings, and
2.  Click bait, one obviously intended to be out of the ordinary to elicit reactions.  

The above is Number 1, and not really worth notice, I didn't see any team ranked unusually.  And of course these polls have zero impact on anything real.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CatsbyAZ on March 10, 2019, 05:10:16 PM
Brother and I attended the nearest AAF game last night. San Diego Fleet Vs Salt Lake City Stallions. The Saturday (as opposed to Sunday) timeslot plus the mild weather brought a much larger crowd than expected. Figured I could get tickets at the gate 5 minutes before kickoff and instead it was well into the 1st Q before we finally got in. Over 20K in attendance. First thing we noticed was the character of the crowd. Lots of drinking, security escorting people out, lots of vulgar language, an object tossed onto the field, girl vomited on steps, bathroom fogged with weed fumes. To their credit the crowd did mellow out as game went on. As for the on field product, everything felt and looked like an NFL or College game EXCEPT for the quality of QB play. IMO the biggest setback to the AAF right now is the crappy QBing. Was like watching Steve Bellisari passing for both teams.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 11, 2019, 03:16:25 PM
crappy QB play is also the problem with the NFL

only 5-10 QBs that can get a team to the SB
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 11, 2019, 03:35:48 PM
The plan was to take the eldest to a live performance of Aladdin, while my in-laws watched the younger two, and then go out with all of them for pizza. Well, the younger two are sick, my father-in-law has Szogren's so he shouldn't really be around sick kids, and thus we had to reschedule our tickets.
So I'm headed to Costco for a few slabs of baby back ribs, some mac & cheese, green beans, and more wine & beer ;-)
Will hang out today, watch the Purdue game, tend the smoker, and all will be well.
Brother smoked sweet taters and beans.  We went with the St. Louis style instead of the baby backs, St. Louis were a bit fatty.
The beef ribs turned out very good.  Brother has only smoked them a few times.

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Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 11, 2019, 04:14:12 PM
I didn't take pictures...

Of late, I've been pushing my ribs more towards what a BBQ aficionado might call overcooked, i.e. almost fall-off-the-bone tenderness. It's only so long that you can draw that KCBBQ "line in the sand" when everyone who eats ribs just love to gush about how tender they are.

So I've been doing it, and everyone loves it, and I'm not going to fight the masses any more lol.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 11, 2019, 04:32:55 PM
brother's wife and kids don't like BBQ much, it's why he ALWAYS smokes a pile when I visit.  He doesn't cater to the masses this way.

he certainly isn't near rare, but there's a nice pink color

I probably take too many pics, but I've found that I remember things much better when I have pics.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 11, 2019, 04:44:29 PM
Other than the guy who has a stand in the park on Saturdays at the market, I've yet to find any good Q around here.  Well, one place had decent brisket but the pulled pork was so so.  Another place has good chicken but the pulled pork is so so.  The market is only open late March to December, so I'm 2 weeks out less a couple.  I'll be glad to see him again.

The other dish I see a lot these days is "grits and something".  Shrimp and grits caught on back a few decades, OK, fine, but now I see grits and lobster and grits and BBQ and grits and pork belly.  One place even has grits and kimchee, which sounds weird to me.  I grew up with simple grits and butter.  All this other stuff is a really really cheap and easy thing to fix with some "stuff" thrown in to be cute.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 11, 2019, 04:50:25 PM
The Pig and The Pearl might be similar to one of my new favorite places in Minneapolis

The Butcher and the Boar - https://butcherandtheboar.com/ (https://butcherandtheboar.com/)

It is VERY good, grind their sausage in house and smoke everything on-site.  It's too upscale and fancy, but the food and service is outstanding.

from the website it appears they have opened a location in Charleston, SC
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 11, 2019, 04:52:22 PM
my brother doesn't smoke often, so when he does it's usually for a group and he loads up the smoker with pork butt, sausage, pork ribs, and brisket

he says if he screws something up, there will be something that turns out pretty well
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 11, 2019, 04:57:04 PM
The Pig and Pearl was average at best, more of a Millennial kind of place, not my style.  That's to be expected as the area is all newly built (in the last decade).

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 11, 2019, 10:05:23 PM
11 of the 14 schools in the conference permit the sale of alcohol at their football stadiums and in other athletic venues too. Of those schools, five sell beer -- and often wine -- to fans in general seating areas as long as they’re at least 21, according to a HuskerOnline survey of alcohol policies at Big Ten schools.

The other six schools limit beer and wine sales to suites and premium club-level seating.

https://nebraska.rivals.com/news/big-red-business-does-nu-need-beer-money- (https://nebraska.rivals.com/news/big-red-business-does-nu-need-beer-money-)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 12, 2019, 10:03:32 AM
I just got news that a fellow I knew from baseball fantasy camp died over night.  He was in his mid-40s, and "life of the party" applies to him.  He was 6'8" tall.  He had been to every camp since the first year they restarted it and the past year was with two others named to the Fantasy Camp Hall of Fame for being at every camp.  It won't be the same without Wes.

It is interesting to read on FB the outpouring of emotions, memories, grief, sadness, etc. for Wes.  He truly left an impression on us all, a very positive one.  We and his wife would host an open bar in their condo each night and the parties got lively, I could not hang with the younger guys.  Sometimes the partiers would show up the next day a bit under the weather.

I can't believe we'll have camp without Wes.  It's a sign we have a limited time here to make an impression on others, for better or worse.  Wes left the best kind of impression.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 12, 2019, 10:49:50 AM
certainly a huge loss

but, at least he lived life the right way and left a positive mark
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on March 12, 2019, 10:52:48 AM
https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?topic=8404

i'd really appreciate it if y'all could mosey over to that thread and offer some support.  it's a small thing, but you never know what fuels somebody and that kind of thing may be it.  even if you don't frequent with the XII crowd, it would be nice... we're a community. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 12, 2019, 11:27:22 AM
After my ordeal of 2005, I took a look at my life and didn't much like what I was seeing.  Too much bitterness, too much negativity, too much not being a nice person.  I realized I could not change my past, or the past, but I could change my future.

I changed.  There is no reason for it.  I realized that when I was negative and sour and mean, it just hurt me, and maybe some others close to me, it helped nothing.  I'm still working on it, but the wife often tells me I'm too nice, which is a good thing I think.

We're all mortal.  We have a chance to influence and impact others for better or for worse.  We can be tempted by "the dark side" to try and pay back others for every small wrong, imagined or real, and spiral down into being a Negative Nancy, and it ends up harming us, not them.  My focus each day is to try and smile at strangers and say hello and make people feel valued, or at least noticed positively, whether they are a bum or the janitor or a neighbor or someone I pass while jogging (or they pass me usually).

Be nice to folks.  I sometimes get my meanness out on line, but I'm pretty nice in real life.  I'm working on the on line part.  Just be nice.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on March 12, 2019, 11:53:30 AM
So this academic bribery thing, now pulling in Hollywood actresses?  Problem is they went cheap in their bribes.  You offer the school a couple million, they'll let your kid in.  Hell, I know kids who get into Michigan from my HS for less.  But these people just paid a few thousand dollars to the right people, and now are facing real charges.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 12, 2019, 11:54:25 AM
derned fine advice

I've tried to be a positive person most of my life, was raised that way and got my butt kicked if I was mean, rude, or otherwise negative

noticed in my 20s that there was far too much negativism in our world, decided I would try to be a positive source of energy

even when someone may flip me off in traffic, I smile and wave.  Doesn't seem to brighten their outlook often, but I don't let them bring me down to their negative level.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 12, 2019, 11:57:19 AM
So this academic bribery thing, now pulling in Hollywood actresses?  Problem is they went cheap in their bribes.  You offer the school a couple million, they'll let your kid in.  Hell, I know kids who get into Michigan from my HS for less.  But these people just paid a few thousand dollars to the right people, and now are facing real charges.
don't know anything about this, but would assume, you pay some $$$ to be accepted, then need to keep paying to actually gain the desired degree.  Cause if yer kid wasn't smart enough or didn't work hard enough to get accepted, they probably would struggle to gain the degree?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 12, 2019, 12:23:28 PM
As I've said in another thread, I came up with a saying:

Offense can never be given, it can only be taken.

Essentially, no matter what someone says to you, it is YOUR CHOICE whether to be offended. There are people in my life who have the power to offend me. I for years had a very thin skin with my father, and he knew how to get under it. If my wife said something really mean and hurtful to me, I would be truly and deeply hurt, because I am emotionally open to her. 

For just about everyone else in the world, I think it would be ludicrous to allow anything they say to affect my mental state. If someone says something "offensive" to me, that's their choice. I don't have to let them offend me, though. I don't have to let their negativity make me negative. I don't give them the power to determine how I feel. 

I don't understand people who wield themselves being offended as a weapon, given they have entirely the power within their own mind to control it.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on March 12, 2019, 01:10:26 PM
don't know anything about this, but would assume, you pay some $$$ to be accepted, then need to keep paying to actually gain the desired degree.  Cause if yer kid wasn't smart enough or didn't work hard enough to get accepted, they probably would struggle to gain the degree?
Eh, you have to work to do well in college, but I think you have to actively try to fail out.  The kids I know who actually failed out partied too hard, got into drugs, or had other emotional issues with being on their own for the first time. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on March 12, 2019, 01:25:27 PM
I'm reading the FBIs complaint in this case.  Incredibly sophisticated and reckless scheme at the same time.   Flying kids around, faking academic and athletic profiles , bribing college coaches, rigging tests.   The wiretap excerpts are great reading.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 12, 2019, 02:02:43 PM
my google phone says that the world wide web is celebrating it's 30th birthday!

God bless Tim Berners-Lee
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on March 12, 2019, 02:07:59 PM
I was happier when I thought everyone agreed with me
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 12, 2019, 02:14:47 PM
I was happier when I thought everyone agreed with me
Yeah, there are stages.

#3 is what you're aspiring towards ;-)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 12, 2019, 02:23:19 PM
I'm THERE!!!
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Riffraft on March 12, 2019, 02:30:21 PM
As I've said in another thread, I came up with a saying:

Offense can never be given, it can only be taken.

Essentially, no matter what someone says to you, it is YOUR CHOICE whether to be offended. There are people in my life who have the power to offend me. I for years had a very thin skin with my father, and he knew how to get under it. If my wife said something really mean and hurtful to me, I would be truly and deeply hurt, because I am emotionally open to her.

For just about everyone else in the world, I think it would be ludicrous to allow anything they say to affect my mental state. If someone says something "offensive" to me, that's their choice. I don't have to let them offend me, though. I don't have to let their negativity make me negative. I don't give them the power to determine how I feel.

I don't understand people who wield themselves being offended as a weapon, given they have entirely the power within their own mind to control it.
My dad always said if someone rubs you the wrong way it was because you had something to rub. God is just using them to smooth out your rough spots. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 13, 2019, 11:30:50 AM
Kitchen update:  The counter tops are in.  The back splash apparently was measured before the electrician put in an outlet strip below the cabinets.

They may have to recut the back splash (which is quartz).   

The wife and I went to a sushi place we had not tried before last night and sat outside, it was a beautiful evening.  The food was decent.  It gets a bit pricey over time.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 13, 2019, 11:41:37 AM
most decent sushi places are overpriced - even here in the low cost of living zone
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on March 13, 2019, 11:52:12 AM
I'm reading the FBIs complaint in this case.  Incredibly sophisticated and reckless scheme at the same time.   Flying kids around, faking academic and athletic profiles , bribing college coaches, rigging tests.   The wiretap excerpts are great reading.
The big time college sports tie in here is that one of those arrested was the guy in charge of college entry exams at IMG.  Wouldn't think any of the schools who recruited these kids would be in trouble here, but could put those kids eligibility in jeopardy.  The out could be, once again, the kid having no idea, except here it seems easier, since it appears the director was changing answers himself.  The parents obviously knew in the cases where it was due to bribery, but I'm guessing an investigation is forthcoming to see if he was doing it for other kids, to keep them eligible for IMG, or to prevent them from having their recruiting harmed by being an academic risk.  In those cases, it's quite possible he was doing it for the benefit of IMG, or himself (probably tough to keep your job if IMG's elite athletes are bombing their SATs), and it's quite possible nobody but him ever knew.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 13, 2019, 11:52:59 AM
This place had "happy hour" pricing before 7 PM so it wasn't too bad.  Their hot sake was only $3 for a small carafe, which is way less than normal.

We also tried tempura shrimp and fried rice.  There is a place we'd have to drive to called "Eight Sushi" which apparently we're told is really something.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 13, 2019, 11:59:01 AM
Pretty funny read from Rex Huppke in the Chicago Trib today.




Hello wealthy person or celebrity whose name I will not say on an unsecured phone line. Welcome to Rex Huppke’s Highly Ethical and Totally Legal College Admission Consulting Service.

I’m sure you are feeling spooked by the recent federal charges against wealthy parents who were involved in a wide-ranging bribery scheme that helped their children get admitted to prestigious universities. That entire investigation is obviously a gross miscarriage of justice. I’m sure you’ll agree, the world is filled with mundane “regular” people, but elites like yourself are rare and your children must be given every opportunity to succeed or at least pretend to succeed.

 

That’s probably why you’ve come to me. I want to assure you my services are entirely above board and will not result in you being arrested like actresses Felicity Huffman and Lori Loughlin and other people caught up in the Justice Department’s wrongheaded “Operation Varsity Blues.”

 

At Rex Huppke’s Highly Ethical and Totally Legal College Admission Consulting Service, there will be no bribing college officials or rigging entrance exams. No, I would never use such words. I prefer to describe my work as a simple exchange of ideas, with my idea being a guarantee that your not-particularly-bright offspring will attend one of the nation’s finest universities and your idea being $1 million that you will wire to my bank, which happens to have just moved to the Cayman Islands.

 


 
It’s all very legal and very cool.
 
 
 
So let’s get started!
 
 
 
First off, I don’t want you to answer any of my questions out loud, just in case federal investigators are recording this conversation. There’s certainly no reason they would be, since everything we’re about to discuss is extremely legal, but in this day and age, one can’t be too careful about rogue investigations.
 
 
 
Let’s begin by focusing on some of the things your highly qualified and academically gifted son has accomplished. Let’s say your son is on the varsity soccer team and has been scouted by a coach from Yale University (https://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/education/colleges-universities/yale-university-OREDU0000166-topic.html). Don’t respond to that, please, we’re just going to say it because I feel quite confident it’s true. Your son is now on the varsity soccer team and has been scouted by Yale. What’s funny is that while we were talking just now, I remembered I’m close personal friends with the men’s soccer coach at Yale and forgot his most recent birthday, so I wired him $100,000 because I’m a generous friend. Isn’t that a weird and legal coincidence?
 
 
 

 

Anyhoo, back to your kiddo.

 

 

 

Has he ever traveled to Puerto Rico to help build homes for hurricane victims? No need to answer that! I have a photo right here that shows him hanging drywall next to other humanitarian workers in one of the more impoverished parts of Puerto Rico. What’s really funny is that your son’s face in this Puerto Rico photo looks almost exactly like it did in that photo you emailed me for no reason, the one where he’s standing outside a boutique on Rodeo Drive in Los Angeles laughing at a homeless person. It’s almost as if it’s the same photo!

 

 

 

Another weird and completely not illegal or unethical coincidence!

 

 

 

Has your fine prodigy ever traveled to space? Because that’s something people in the college admissions biz call “a talker.” Sure would be nice to add, don’t you think?

 

 

 

I’ll take your silence to mean that your child did travel to space to perform zero-gravity cancer research on a private craft owned by one of your uber-wealthy friends who will definitely confirm said research if contacted by a university official. Great. We’re making real progress.

 

 

 

Just one more thing. Your child needs to take the SAT at his high school on April 3. Upon arrival, he should give his high school identification card to Nelson Farthington, an extremely bright classmate who has twice gotten a perfect score on the standardized test. He will be there for no particular reason. After giving Nelson the ID, your child should leave and go shopping for about three hours to celebrate how well he is going to do on the SAT that he definitely took himself.

 

 

 

That’s about it for the moment. I know these are scary times for wealthy people who want nothing more than to make sure their children are recognized for doing amazing things they claim to have done.

 

 

 

It’s sad that some in this country want to get in the way of the success your child is owed. Once I very legally ensure that your child has been placed in a prestigious university, I hope he will use that education to make the world a better and more fair place for the wealthy. Because, at the end of the day, isn’t that what really matters most?

 

 

 

Thanks for your time. I will email a new phone number when we need to speak again, as this phone will be ethically destroyed immediately after we hang up, which is a totally normal and legal business thing for me to do.

 

 

 

Stay strong!

 

 

 

 

 

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 13, 2019, 12:44:36 PM
UGA's longest road trip this season is to Jacksonville, 270 miles.

https://247sports.com/college/georgia/LongFormArticle/SEC-football-team-travel-2019-schedule-miles-129987749/#129987749_14

It's in a whole entirely completely different state.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 13, 2019, 01:04:10 PM
https://www.npr.org/2019/03/13/681621047/college-completion-rates-are-up-but-the-numbers-will-still-surprise-you

On average, just 58 percent of students who started college in the fall of 2012 had earned any degree six years later, according to the National Student Clearinghouse Research Center (https://nscresearchcenter.org/signaturereport16/).

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on March 13, 2019, 01:15:18 PM
Oh yeah, plenty don't complete, but rarely because they tried their absolute hardest and just failed out.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 13, 2019, 02:07:55 PM
true, because colleges and universities are giving more and more students diplomas to make more and more money
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 13, 2019, 02:20:54 PM
There is an online quiz (I fill them out sometimes, for fun) that today asked about PI:



In mathematics, pi is the ratio of a circle’s circumference to its ________?



46 percent of the answers were correct. 51 percent "guessed" radius.



Kollege isn't for everyone.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 13, 2019, 02:23:00 PM
Oh, and 62 percent of responders knew which network aired Magnum P.I. There is something wrong here, people.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 13, 2019, 03:05:20 PM
true.  Unfortunately, it's getting worse

exponentially 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 13, 2019, 03:07:23 PM
When I think about that, I'm glad I'm getting older. Snowflakes are going to be in charge someday.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 13, 2019, 03:12:40 PM
yup, I always thought I should have been born a couple decades earlier

I could be that much closer to checking out
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 13, 2019, 04:03:08 PM
When I was 20, the folks my age thought things were getting worse because my generation was all goofy hippies and worthless.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 13, 2019, 04:05:18 PM
What percentage of people got art history degrees back in your generation?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 13, 2019, 04:18:16 PM
What percentage of people got art history degrees back in your generation?
A fair number, I can't quantify that.  We had no engineering except for ag, so that is a factor.  Most people got business degrees and that has not changed.  Education was popular along with polysci.  Computer science was pretty popular, UGA had a large computer complex for the day.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 13, 2019, 04:21:08 PM
https://www.princetonreview.com/college-advice/top-ten-college-majors

My first daughter majored in French and English and has a very good job as a "senior web developer".  I had to memorize her job title.  The other majored in whatever but went to law school and now has a jam up job in New Braunfel, TX, however they spell that, making nearly as much as I did when I retired.

My son would be 33 today, I was idly musing about what he might be doing.  It's a sort of a dull but persistent ache.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 13, 2019, 04:32:25 PM
There is a shortage of engineers and scientists right now. Every person I know who is trying to hire cannot find anyone. The headhunters are making a killing right now.


I've got 4 snowflake nieces in Cali who majored in art history - two at Stanford, one at Dartmouth (now at Harvard in grad school, for art history) and one at Washington. But, they all have trust funds. Big ones.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on March 13, 2019, 04:36:39 PM
When I think about that, I'm glad I'm getting older. Snowflakes are going to be in charge someday.
Every generation things the next one is ruining things, and the world keeps mostly getting better.
We’ve all does this before and we all will again.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on March 13, 2019, 04:44:39 PM

There is a shortage of engineers and scientists right now. Every person I know who is trying to hire cannot find anyone. The headhunters are making a killing right now.


I've got 4 snowflake nieces in Cali who majored in art history - two at Stanford, one at Dartmouth (now at Harvard in grad school, for art history) and one at Washington. But, they all have trust funds. Big ones.
The top part links to an exponential growth in the number of science and engineering jobs. Colleges, which are often geared toward excusivity, haven’t maintained supply. 
UW made a point of trying to weed out people who wanted to be engineers. You got the kids who were good enough to not suck their first year in college and mathematically inclined, but you didn’t get more engineers. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 13, 2019, 04:45:45 PM
When I was 20, the folks my age thought things were getting worse because my generation was all goofy hippies and worthless.
they were not wrong
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on March 13, 2019, 04:53:39 PM
they were not wrong
How so. How are things actually worse? 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 13, 2019, 05:00:42 PM
The top part links to an exponential growth in the number of science and engineering jobs. Colleges, which are often geared toward excusivity, haven’t maintained supply.
UW made a point of trying to weed out people who wanted to be engineers. You got the kids who were good enough to not suck their first year in college and mathematically inclined, but you didn’t get more engineers.
We need more kids who are interested in the civil engineering field, for sure, to backfill all the ones who got out of the business when 2008 happened. The bigger problem is the knowledge gap that created. The seasoned 40 y/o engineer is just not out there. It's guys like me, or older, or very young and green.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 13, 2019, 05:02:01 PM
How so. How are things actually worse?
no, just pulling Cincy's leg
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 13, 2019, 05:03:11 PM
Every generation things the next one is ruining things, and the world keeps mostly getting better.
We’ve all does this before and we all will again.
I think we peaked in the 2000's. We'll know if I'm correct in 20 years or so.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on March 13, 2019, 05:15:20 PM
We need more kids who are interested in the civil engineering field, for sure, to backfill all the ones who got out of the business when 2008 happened. The bigger problem is the knowledge gap that created. The seasoned 40 y/o engineer is just not out there. It's guys like me, or older, or very young and green.
True. I wonder about the exclusivity. Like if you want to build elite engineers, that’s super, but you’ll have to create a mechanism to make some less elite ones too. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 13, 2019, 05:24:16 PM
Many of the elite schools turn out really crappy engineers, to be honest. Some of the "lesser" schools do a better job with practical stuff. I'd be more inclined to hire a UW-Platteville grad over a UW grad, right out of school. Same goes for Wayne State vs. Michigan. It's a book smart-life dumb thing. 



I know what the programs are, and what they do. I've been working on that over the years, in my roll on the Curriculum Committee at UW. They seem to get it, but are slow to change. Elite and all that, ya know.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 13, 2019, 07:13:39 PM
I was trying to hire a lab tech back in the day, needed a BS in chemistry and some sense.  I interview nine "locals", several from Miami U. with 3.9 GPAs.  None of them had ANY clue about lab work, at all.  Nada.  Same with 2 from Xavier and one from UC.  My boss finally found this fellow from Northwestern, sounded good to me, until I saw his resume, NW of Louisiana.  Turned out to be one of the 2-3 best lab techs I ever had.  One of the other two only had a two year degree.  Another good one was from Ohio U, with an archeology degree.  He learned stuff really quickly and was very hard working.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on March 13, 2019, 07:23:41 PM
What percentage of people got art history degrees back in your generation?
Trick question.  Back then it was called Contemporary Art
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 13, 2019, 07:27:20 PM
the real world can be VERY different than the classroom
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 13, 2019, 09:04:40 PM
Truth.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 13, 2019, 09:05:13 PM
Trick question.  Back then it was called Contemporary Art
Shame on me. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 14, 2019, 08:14:28 AM
I figure the classroom learning gives a person a basis on which to learn how to really do stuff.  Hopefully.

For a chemistry degree, one never has any exposure to the real workplace.  I know engineering has coopts, which however weird they may be in practice are a something.

Of course it often means a chem eng degree is five years instead of four.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 14, 2019, 08:46:07 AM
There is a pretty nice steak restaurant near us (haven't tried it).  The last two days it's been closed, with heavy black fabric over any windows, and next door a parking lot is full of trucks and trailers, some are parked on a side street as well, probably 40 of them.  The trailers are labeled "Lightning Productions", which means someone is shooting a TV show or something in said restaurant (I don't have any idea which).  They even have the sidewalk on Peachtree St. blocked off.  Two days, many many people involved.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 14, 2019, 10:45:34 AM
I figure the classroom learning gives a person a basis on which to learn how to really do stuff.  Hopefully.

For a chemistry degree, one never has any exposure to the real workplace.  I know engineering has coopts, which however weird they may be in practice are a something.

Of course it often means a chem eng degree is five years instead of four.


Almost all engineering degrees turn into 5 years. Mine required 142 credit hours and a senior thesis, and it is still only a BS (not an MS, as you would get in most fields with 142 hours of coursework).
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 14, 2019, 10:57:27 AM
The average time for a PhD in a science is something like 6 years now, maybe more.  Yuck.  The "standard time" is/was 4 years.  I had a couple of friends with PhDs in chemical engineering, which struck me as extreme overkill.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 14, 2019, 10:58:25 AM
6 years beyond the BS?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 14, 2019, 11:17:13 AM
6 years beyond the BS?
Yes indeed.

https://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/education/students/graduate/survey-of-phd-programs-in-chemistry.html

This of course includes summers, you don't get time off much at all.  The hard part for me was that no one was checking on "my work", so to speak, so if I didn't do anything, nobody noticed.  The first year is mostly classroom, like undergrad, so that is normal.  The second year is only 1 or 2 courses meant to help you with your preliminary oral exam, and by then you should have picked you major professor and started lab work on a project.  You have to pass cumulative written exams, and then your preliminary oral, which is not easy, and you only get two chances at it.  Once you pass the cumes and oral exam, it's 100% research, no classes, unless you are TAing.

I had to TA every year, my boss was young and had no funding.  That soaks up some time.  I had completed my undergrad by going summers in 3 years, so I had aimed to be finished before my 26th birthday, which I managed, so it took me about 4.8 years total in grad school and 3.3 in undergrad.  I was pretty slack my first couple years in grad school with nobody checking on me.

And for some folks, their research just bombs out, through no fault of their own necessarily, and they have to start something else.  And after that, some goodly number do post doctoral research for 2 more years.  You really only need that to become a professor.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 14, 2019, 11:26:35 AM
There is a pretty nice steak restaurant near us (haven't tried it).  The last two days it's been closed, with heavy black fabric over any windows, and next door a parking lot is full of trucks and trailers, some are parked on a side street as well, probably 40 of them.  The trailers are labeled "Lightning Productions", which means someone is shooting a TV show or something in said restaurant (I don't have any idea which).  They even have the sidewalk on Peachtree St. blocked off.  Two days, many many people involved.


be on the lookout for a red 68 camaro convertible
Triple D shouldn't take more than a day
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: GopherRock on March 14, 2019, 11:35:09 AM
Lots of random thoughts of yesterday's thread action:

I have several friends with PhDs in biomedical engineering, but I'm not sure how long it took them to get it. 

5 years is pretty common in engineering. Halfway through year 3, I looked to see what I would have to take to get out in 4 years, and it was NOT going to happen. 

Among the things I'm not sure about, one of them is why ASCE has been pushing so hard for it's members to get a masters degree. A masters may be needed in some sectors, but I didn't find the price tag worth it 10 years ago, and still don't, assuming I would have gotten in. I was a grinder in college, with my grades of the survive-and-advance variety.

Of the U of Minnesota's BCE Class of 2007 that had jobs lined up, less than half of them were still in the field two years later. Speaking of which, they still subscribe to a n aggressive weed-out schedule for incoming frosh.

Our agency needs to get younger, but has a hard time hiring both techs and engineers, for a myriad of reasons. Pay (already less than the private sector, with some in the Legislature bemoaning 1% annual raises as a disgraceful waste of the public dollar), requirements (must have Class A CDL with endorsements to apply as a tech), and plowing snow (many here don't belong anywhere near heavy equipment).

Most of the engineers in my office got their degrees from Iowa State (UMN, Platteville, and Mankato State follow in frequency). They're here because either they're from here, or their spouse is from here, or the spouse works for the Mayo Clinic and significantly out earns us. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 14, 2019, 07:06:12 PM
The masters degree in chemistry is a "terminal degree" in most places.  It often means you didn't pass your prelims.  Harvard confers masters degrees after you pass your prelims but that seems unusual, so PhDs rarely have a master's degree.  It's a mark of shame unless you went to Harvard.

Our neighbor just down the hall just retired as a professor of theoretical physics at GaTech.  He's  neat guy, we go out to dine with him fairly often.  He has shown zero interest in "talking shop", which is fine with me.  I did try and read up a bit on his research area.  Ha.

Our other neighbor is some kind of writer and oscillates between here and his condo in Manhattan on Central Park.  He has a very nice dog named George.  He's a nice guy also.  It's obviously a change living in a midrise condo from suburban life.  The building has 10 stories on our end and 16 on the other side away from the park.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MichiFan87 on March 14, 2019, 09:15:11 PM
The most bizarre thing about the admissions scandal is that at least some of them had the means to donate a million to get their underqualified kid in the traditional way.

I also think average intelligence has probably already peaked. The reality is that there is a negative correlation between fertility and intelligence / education. I see it for myself in looking at women's dating profiles. The women who already have and/or want kids disproportionately only graduated from high school or community college and/or have non-professional jobs. To be sure, most women want kids, regardless of their education, but more educated and professionally accomplished ones tend to have fewer, if any.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 14, 2019, 10:01:54 PM
The most bizarre thing about the admissions scandal is that at least some of them had the means to donate a million to get their underqualified kid in the traditional way.
so, what's the cutoff?
a million and it's OK?
I suppose this has been a practice for over 100 years, just adjusted for inflation
because it's traditional, is it more ethical?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on March 14, 2019, 10:16:17 PM
The masters degree in chemistry is a "terminal degree" in most places.  It often means you didn't pass your prelims.  Harvard confers masters degrees after you pass your prelims but that seems unusual, so PhDs rarely have a master's degree.  It's a mark of shame unless you went to Harvard.
That's interesting about Harvard but my experience is the same. In both biochemistry and medical sciences, an M.S. is a mark of shame. And if it's the mark you get, you pray that it happens as early as possible. The saddest story I know to tell is of a girl in my lab who pursued a project for 11 years (beginning 7 years before my arrival) and ultimately "ran out of time," was no longer welcome to enroll, and exited with a masters. Imagine all that work, those years of expecting it'd be traded for being called Doctor, and leaving entirely empty-handed. 
Soul sickening.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MichiFan87 on March 14, 2019, 10:18:31 PM
so, what's the cutoff?
a million and it's OK?
I suppose this has been a practice for over 100 years, just adjusted for inflation
because it's traditional, is it more ethical?
I'm not saying it's okay or ethical, but that's the legal and commonly understood way to do it. That's all.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on March 14, 2019, 10:21:07 PM
The admissions scandal, as I saw it, mostly reintroduced the question of the value of a prestigious college degree. And how difficult that question is to answer. Many parents either live vicariously through their children and/or use them for social status. And for them, a prestigious alma mater is incalculably valuable. Of course, parents aren't the only ones who can be struck by superficiality. Many kids want those degrees just because they want them - for competive or status reasons. 

And then there are the "good" or non-superficial perspectives. Of course, one needn't attend Stanford to become well educated. A community college grad (or in the vernacular of Good Will Hunting... a person with just 10 cents in library fees) with the right degree of curiosity and determination to chase knowledge can go anywhere once they get in the door. So, once you're years into employment (decades after graduation), the diploma doesn't seem to matter. But when starting out, it does provide a boost. And if you have eyes on something like the Supreme Court, I suppose going to Harvard/Yale is basically indispensible.

And at that point, we've just about covered the whole conversation. The only thing that's left out at this point is the stuff that's bigger than a single self-determined individual. For example: What's the value of being immersed in environments with different concentrations of intellectualism? Will the same self-determined individual necessarily turn out the same way whether they enter a highly, moderately, or lowly concentrated intellectual environment? Hard to say.

Ultimately, I think a prestigious university has a lot of non-fake value, but actually quantifying it is hard and the ways we try (like ROI - Return On Investment) probably miss the point.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 14, 2019, 10:28:54 PM
I'm not saying it's okay or ethical, but that's the legal and commonly understood way to do it. That's all.
just seems odd.  Give the right guy in admissions a million and it's all good
give the wrong guy in admissions $50,000 and it's a crime
but, I do understand that universities can make those decisions based on whatever - it's their choice
they set the rules and it's best to abide by the rules
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on March 14, 2019, 10:54:19 PM
Well said AC.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on March 14, 2019, 11:36:34 PM
just seems odd.  Give the right guy in admissions a million and it's all good
give the wrong guy in admissions $50,000 and it's a crime
but, I do understand that universities can make those decisions based on whatever - it's their choice
they set the rules and it's best to abide by the rules
Yeah, it's not the outcome but the transparency that decides whether it's legal or fraud/racketeering. But since the outcomes are similar, the ethics seem close to similar, and I think that's what is irking you. One includes lying, so the illegal method is not precisely equal, but both give kids unearned prizes and sidestep the hard life lesson of earned consequences. 
Sometimes the best thing that can happen to a young person is to receive bad news that they deserve. Whether done legally or illegally, saving them from the indignity of college rejection by swooping in with a golden ticket is misguided. Having said that, I understand the parents' motivations and bet many of us would do the same thing if in the same situation.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 15, 2019, 08:38:56 AM
I wish more people would take advantage of what their local colleges have to offer. Like, a good education in a career field, such as manufacturing, welding, dental hygiene, etc. Good/great paying jobs and no student loan debt. 



(That, or use the school to figure out what they want to do - and then transfer. Reduced student debt, for one, and not wasting money/time too.)



Not everyone needs a 4 year degree to get into a career and make money. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 15, 2019, 10:25:19 AM
You are thinking practically.  Quite a few of "us" simply don't think that way at all.

Other reasons to go to college:

1.  Meet someone educated to get married.
2.  Everyone else is doing it.  My status is damaged if my kids don't go to college.
3.  College is a fun time, you really don't have to do much studying and it delays getting a job.
4.  I wanna be a doctor, it's so cool.
5.  I'm really interested in contemporary art and want to study that.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 15, 2019, 10:35:56 AM
6) I wanted to practice my plagiarism skills
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 15, 2019, 10:45:52 AM
7) I'm a HUGE college football fan!
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 15, 2019, 10:52:35 AM
I had two kids turn in two IDENTICAL lab reports, about 4 pages worth, including all of the typos and grammatical errors.  They were in the same frat.  They just copied whatever someone had available.  So, I took them to Honor Court.  What a joke.  The "judges" asked me if I had watched them write their reports, which of course I had not, so they let them go.

I gave them both an F on the report and said if they did that again, they would get an F for the course and they said they would whine to the professor if I did.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 15, 2019, 10:55:23 AM
8) to beat the hell out of the honor court
PS I didn't know you taught
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 15, 2019, 11:15:51 AM
8) to beat the hell out of the honor court
PS I didn't know you taught
I was a teaching assistant, taught labs, boss didn't have money initially.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 15, 2019, 03:05:44 PM
1.  Meet someone educated to get married.
Well, there is the suggestion that some ladies go to school for the "Mrs degree". I don't know if you use Instagram, but there's a funny account called "overhearduniversity" -- I saw this just the other day:
(https://scontent-lax3-2.cdninstagram.com/vp/fe44c3c9ebcc12e56a912bb1930c7532/5D05F921/t51.2885-15/e35/52695153_2269531013370865_2886204475405592497_n.jpg?_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-2.cdninstagram.com)
And I only wish it were a joke...
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 15, 2019, 03:09:32 PM
Yeah, it's not the outcome but the transparency that decides whether it's legal or fraud/racketeering. But since the outcomes are similar, the ethics seem close to similar, and I think that's what is irking you. One includes lying, so the illegal method is not precisely equal, but both give kids unearned prizes and sidestep the hard life lesson of earned consequences.
I find it really interesting. You'd think that a sizable "donation" to a school like USC gets the admissions office to perhaps admit a kid who meets the minimum requirements, but is certainly below the averages for who gets admitted. 
I wonder if it's one more step in PoA. It used to be that you donated to the school and then they'd admit your kid. But if they do that, then your kid *knows* that you basically bought their admission. Just think of what that will do to the poor kid's self-esteem? Much better that you do this illegally, behind their back, so that they think they earned it!
What is worst about Lori Loughlin and her husband is apparently their daughter is complete and total twit, who is a "vlogger" and doesn't even want to go or cares about going to college. So they may both end up in jail for a girl who didn't even what what they were bribing people to give her.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 15, 2019, 03:48:44 PM
Most 17 year olds in my experience have no idea what they "want to do", and it stressed them because they surmise they are unusual.  Everyone else is going to college, except for the real dummies, so they go to college also figuring they will figure it out in college, and it seems like fun, and you might meet the dream of your life.

We've all seen "professional students" who never get past this, they often change majors on a whim and just keep going.

I recall in our high school, there were 4 or 5 "levels" of classes one could take.  The top level was IB, and just below that was AP, and below that was "College Prep".  I think they had some fancy name for whatever was below that also, but I forget what it was.  Plenty of kids took CP level course and went to college somewhere, usually not one of the better options around.

"We" are herd/social animals with a strong urge to "do what everyone else is doing".

The hardest thing in life to be is yourself.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 15, 2019, 03:50:31 PM
I was idly looking at US metro areas by population and noted the largest one I've never visited is Providence, RI.  We're headed to Boston end of the month, and I figure I can check that one off, in addition to visiting the NE states I've never visited before, which would leave me with ND and AL as sole remaining, and we're going to Alaska in September.  I expect to leave ND on the shelf.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 15, 2019, 06:25:45 PM
Most 17 year olds in my experience have no idea what they "want to do", and it stressed them because they surmise they are unusual.  Everyone else is going to college, except for the real dummies, so they go to college also figuring they will figure it out in college, and it seems like fun, and you might meet the dream of your life.
I was pretty lucky. From the time I was a child, I had already decided something related to math or science was going to be my job. When I started getting into my teen years, I realized that was "engineer", and because I was into electronics and computers at the time, electrical engineering was pretty well a slam dunk.
I know a lot of people at 17 who had no idea what they wanted to do when they grow up. I still know people at 30+ who have no idea lol.
I'm happy with my choice. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on March 15, 2019, 06:31:07 PM
I find it really interesting. You'd think that a sizable "donation" to a school like USC gets the admissions office to perhaps admit a kid who meets the minimum requirements, but is certainly below the averages for who gets admitted.
I wonder if it's one more step in PoA. It used to be that you donated to the school and then they'd admit your kid. But if they do that, then your kid *knows* that you basically bought their admission. Just think of what that will do to the poor kid's self-esteem? Much better that you do this illegally, behind their back, so that they think they earned it!
What is worst about Lori Loughlin and her husband is apparently their daughter is complete and total twit, who is a "vlogger" and doesn't even want to go or cares about going to college. So they may both end up in jail for a girl who didn't even what what they were bribing people to give her.
I kind of doubt it's that. Chances are, if your kid is enough of a problem with that much privilege, you've probably had a few screaming fights through the years.
It is weird to do because the kid at some point will be presented with evidence of their athletic background. 
A blogger I like pointed out, why send your spoiled rich child to a place that could throw them out. Send them to state school on the 7-year plan. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MichiFan87 on March 15, 2019, 06:36:02 PM
I didn't really know what I wanted to do when I was in school except I'd be best in an analytical role, since I was proficient with spreadsheets and databases. For all the adversity I've had in my career, I'm thankful I stumbled into the clean energy world. It's definitely helped me find purpose in my career and life as a whole, while I see so many other people who find little to know meaning in their careers, even if they're paid well. This is less the case in DC, naturally, but still moreso than you might expect.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 15, 2019, 07:15:41 PM
There certainly are 17 year olds who at least think they know what they want to do.  A fair number want to be doctors, until they hit freshman and sophomore chemistry.  Then they think they want to go into business.

The only thing I KNEW was I didn't want to gave to get a real job.  I delayed it as long as possible.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on March 15, 2019, 07:56:01 PM
I was pretty lucky. From the time I was a child, I had already decided something related to math or science was going to be my job. When I started getting into my teen years, I realized that was "engineer", and because I was into electronics and computers at the time, electrical engineering was pretty well a slam dunk.
I know a lot of people at 17 who had no idea what they wanted to do when they grow up. I still know people at 30+ who have no idea lol.
I'm happy with my choice.
Same here. I had a very specific idea of what I wanted to do from a young age. I mean, after 2nd grade at least, when I wanted to be an astronaut. From then on, I was all in for medicine/doctor/scientist. Luckily, it was a cool plan and pulling it off was just a matter of putting in the time and never quitting. And I've always had a knack for never quitting. The problem though is that now my story can only stay fully resolved if I pull off this Frankenstein career as a guy who sees patients, runs a research lab, and professor to undergrads/med students. If I never hold a position that simultaneously satisfies all of those, I'll be suuuuuuper bummed.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on March 15, 2019, 11:13:02 PM
I suspect that one thing the admissions scandal is going to expose is that there isn't all that much elite educating being done at some of the elite educational institutions, that the academic competition ends with acceptance, rather than with graduation.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on March 15, 2019, 11:22:52 PM
I was idly looking at US metro areas by population and noted the largest one I've never visited is Providence, RI.  We're headed to Boston end of the month, and I figure I can check that one off, in addition to visiting the NE states I've never visited before, which would leave me with ND and AL as sole remaining, and we're going to Alaska in September.  I expect to leave ND on the shelf.
I've been stuck on 49 for years.   I've decided to go to Alaska with my kids in a couple years.   Largest market I've not been to in terms of MSA is Tampa, then Sacramento.     Don't leave ND on the shelf.  You can find a reason to go there, every place I've ever been has something worth seeing, doing.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on March 15, 2019, 11:40:25 PM
I suspect that one thing the admissions scandal is going to expose is that there isn't all that much elite educating being done at some of the elite educational institutions, that the academic competition ends with acceptance, rather than with graduation.
The "isn't all that much" in your first sentence is so wishy washy that it could mean anything. But I consider myself a highest end educator**. I definitely try hard. And was educated by several highest end educators who clearly cared a lot as well. And many of my students obviously take it as seriously if not moreso as I did at their stage. So again, I think I disagree with what you said, unless "isn't all that much" conveniently excludes many professors and many more students. My take is that the physical sciences courses at Big Ten universities (I've been at three now) are taken quite seriously by the 80+% of professors and students.
**(bragging is stupid but I think I have to explain: Teaching physiology, or sometimes anatomy, my student evaluations have been the best of all professors/instructors in a large medical sciences department for 7 semesters straight. Saying it must make me seem like I have a stick up my butt, but it's a point of pride and I guess it may have made me react too strongly to your post, which may have been meant innocuously)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on March 15, 2019, 11:56:32 PM
 Don't leave ND on the shelf.  You can find a reason to go there, every place I've ever been has something worth seeing, doing.
I love that perspective. I've found the same. There are no uninteresting places or even any lacking beauty. There are only bad attitudes about places. And that's always the fault of the mentality, not of the place.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on March 16, 2019, 12:12:24 AM
People live all over this country (or globe), not everyplace is a paradise for me or for you.  That doesn't mean these aren't places worth checking out.  Half the reason I love travel, is to be surprised.  It might be a restaurant, a natural site, its often the people.  The more I think about it, some of my favorite memories are places that no such person would rank as must visit place or site.  This country has a lot to see and experience, and that most certainly includes the more remote and unknown places.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on March 16, 2019, 12:25:56 AM
Yeah, there's something extraordinary about belonging to a country that extends from ocean to ocean. It means we have everything. Tundra. Prairies, plains. Canyons. Oceans, lakes, rivers. Mountains. Monoliths. Deserts of several kinds. Taiga. Volcanoes. Geysers and Grand prismatic pool. Islands in several climes. I could obviously go on.

As to your other point, there is also something special about people and their knack to make any kind of place a home. It isn't a rule of the universe that we have to be that way, but we are. It's good.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 16, 2019, 07:32:50 AM
I suspect that one thing the admissions scandal is going to expose is that there isn't all that much elite educating being done at some of the elite educational institutions, that the academic competition ends with acceptance, rather than with graduation.
Howdy pal. I think much of this depends on the major, much as AC posted above. You may be able to sleepwalk through some majors. This I do not doubt one bit.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 16, 2019, 07:34:38 AM
Taken from a different thread...


We need many more physicians too. That won't help us here but there is a unifying thread that in an increasingly complex and specialized world, it's a real bear to keep up with human talent.

Here, I'm not even putting engineers and scientists on a pedestal as holy special people. Moreso I'm treating them as normal people with very special information and I'm claiming that our problem is an exponentially exploding doubling time of human knowledge. So recruiting and training everyone in time to keep The Brain growing (and actually make practical use of it) is a serious dilemma.

It makes me wonder about the future of knowledge creation and use. Why can't A.I. satisfy many (all?) scientific and engineering needs better than people? That's not rhetorical. I'm not trying to be cute; I don't know either way. And if A.I. can't, how will it be that people can?
Extremely complex, this all is. And yep, our local hospital is constantly looking for staff, top to bottom. Those jobs, and the education required to do them, are hard.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 16, 2019, 09:42:02 AM
    Don't leave ND on the shelf.  You can find a reason to go there, every place I've ever been has something worth seeing, doing.
try some ice fishing on Devil's Lake
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 16, 2019, 11:18:33 AM
I'd rather have my finger and toe nails plucked out, one by one, than go ice fishing. It would have the same effect on my fingers and toes anyway.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on March 16, 2019, 12:51:04 PM
I'm not interested in luxury ice fishing, where a mobile hotel room is placed on the ice. But sitting on a bucket or in/outside a particle board shanty is awesome. Maybe calling it meditative is too crunchy, but there is something pleasant about being left alone to your thoughts with cold nipping your cheeks.

If you don't have the right jacket, pants, and boots to be warm, don't go though. No one likes to be cold. 

Well geared ice fishers are never cold.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 16, 2019, 12:58:45 PM
I was probably 20 before I realized that skiing could also be done on snow.

Fishing for ice doesn't sound appealing to me.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 16, 2019, 01:04:15 PM
I'd rather have my finger and toe nails plucked out, one by one, than go ice fishing. It would have the same effect on my fingers and toes anyway.
Really,some of the best fish(Walleye/Perch) have come thru the ice 4-5 miles off shore on Erie.Doesn't get any fresher.Been over a decade however we sold our place and my friends sold their snowmobiles/ATVs.Prolly could get back into it but not worth the expense if your buddies aren't with you - for safety reasons also
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on March 16, 2019, 03:17:33 PM
The first time I was ever intoxicated was while ice fishing.   It was also 8th grade.  No correlation I'm sure.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on March 16, 2019, 04:00:29 PM
Fishing for ice doesn't sound appealing to me.
I left off that I've never even caught anything except mud puppies. I'm seriously bad. But anyone would like ice fishing anyway if they had my dad and that was the day's activity.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on March 16, 2019, 04:04:36 PM
Really,some of the best fish(Walleye/Perch) have come thru the ice 4-5 miles off shore on Erie.Doesn't get any fresher.Been over a decade however we sold our place and my friends sold their snowmobiles/ATVs.Prolly could get back into it but not worth the expense if your buddies aren't with you - for safety reasons also
I'm from the waterway connecting Huron and Erie. There's a bay in Lake St. Clair that'll fill up with 100+ trucks once the ice hits 8 inches. Breakthroughs are obviously rare or they wouldn't do it, but still it's kind of spooky. We always just walked out with a sled.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: GopherRock on March 16, 2019, 04:18:06 PM
The first time I was ever intoxicated was while ice fishing.   It was also 8th grade.  No correlation I'm sure.
I think a 750 of a distilled beverage is mandatory in ice fishing gear kits.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 16, 2019, 05:15:33 PM
Breakthroughs are obviously rare or they wouldn't do it, but still it's kind of spooky. We always just walked out with a sled.
Ya the ice though thick seems to always be cracking,groaning,gnashing.And it always seems to happen when you're walking like you've triggered a split.You're right spooky stuff.I know if stuck on a breakaway ice flow you'll pay handsomely if the Coast Guard sends choppers.For quite some time many outfitters-guides have been using air boats which are perfect even if the ice gives way they can skim across either surface
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on March 16, 2019, 05:40:51 PM
Ya the ice though thick seems to always be cracking,groaning,gnashing.And it always seems to happen when you're walking like you've triggered a split.You're right spooky stuff.I know if stuck on a breakaway ice flow you'll pay handsomely if the Coast Guard sends choppers.For quite some time many outfitters-guides have been using air boats which are perfect even if the ice gives way they can skim across either surface
Growing up, our house was on a small island in that area. 3 sides were canals and the last was the St. Clair River running between Huron and Erie. Usually the river current was too much for the canals to freeze, but after cold storms, the river would clog with icebergs from Lake Huron, the river would stop, and the canals would actually freeze like glass. That thing cracked and groaned like none other. Even worse when the coast guard icebreakers would try to open up lanes through the icebergs for commerce (it's a major throughway for oceanliners). When that happened, the boat waves would cause the canal ice to go up and down and inch or two and it'd sound like horror film background music. Scary, but eventually you'd get used to it and stop letting it disrupt your ice fishing or hockey game.
Your other point is good too. If a person's car falls through, and we assume they survive unscathed, the financials are steep. The car has to be wrenched out, at cost to owner. And insurance won't cover anything if your car is a half-mile out and falls through lake ice.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 16, 2019, 06:47:26 PM
A few years back i saw these ice flows creeping up and slowly grinding & punishing lakeside cabins - that might have been on Lake St Clair or maybe Michigan/Huron
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on March 16, 2019, 06:56:39 PM
Do you know which town that was?

And yes, ice flows are brutal and unforgiving. In the areas where zoning laws still permit people with riverfront property to extend a pier 100y or so to a boat house, it's amazing how many people still drive wood pylons into the ground. It's cheaper than steel, sure, but those ones last at least a hundred years less long. Ice bergs chop them at the knees and eventually the whole thing craters.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on March 16, 2019, 08:43:49 PM
Howdy pal. I think much of this depends on the major, much as AC posted above. You may be able to sleepwalk through some majors. This I do not doubt one bit.
Hey, Badge.  The Big Ten board is, as it was on CFN, a very busy and interesting one.
Yeah, I'd say that this problem is way more prevalent away from math, engineering, and the hard sciences.
Here's something written in light of the admissions scandal by a nationally known commentator:

"After I was admitted to Harvard Law School, I attended orientation. Our 500-strong class was gathered in Memorial Hall, in historic Sanders Theater (https://sites.fas.harvard.edu/~memhall/sanders.html), where then-Dean Elena Kagan (now Supreme Court Justice) spoke to us. She informed us that the competition was over – we were in! No need to worry about the stuff we’d seen in The Paper Chase – we were all going to leave with degrees and jobs. Not just that – as graduates of Harvard Law, we were destined to rule the universe. She informed us of how many alumni were in the Senate, how many in Congress, how many on the Supreme Court. The battle was over upon our acceptance to the institution."
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on March 16, 2019, 10:28:28 PM
What that message from Kagan means depends a lot on the attitudes of the person reading it. 

We were told the same thing when we matriculated into medical school. I bet they say the same to every entering law, dental, and business student, too. Which are all examples of this "maybe bad or lazy" message being paired with serious educating. And that doesn't have to be a paradox. It can just be a distinction that an important step is over. Or a signal that "typically everyone who gets this far is serious and you're one of them, so you're set."  Either way, we can assure ourselves that even though I received this message from Dean Paz at a first year "white coat ceremony" and was told "P = MD," as in "pass and you're a doctor," which was all true and that almost everyone graduated, getting an M.D. still took some doing. That the message doesn't (have to) contradict real education.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on March 16, 2019, 11:33:33 PM
Our late law school Dean deadpanned, 'Look to the right of you, look to the left of you.......some of you will be sleeping with each over the next three years... (after laughter)  possibly getting married, having kids, divorced.'  I'm pretty sure he said those other things suggested above but why would I remember those words, after an opening line like that.     That same Dean also covered the entire beer tab following finals following the first semester.      
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 17, 2019, 09:53:19 AM
I think a 750 of a distilled beverage is mandatory in ice fishing gear kits.
absolutely
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 17, 2019, 09:55:01 AM
Looks like a very nice week here weatherwise.  Oddly enough, we're headed to Boston the week after when weather here tends to be superb.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 17, 2019, 10:10:23 AM
weather is great here as well, upper 40s and sun

headed to Minneapolis later today, weather there will be good - low 40s and sun

scheduled for topgolf tues evening
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 17, 2019, 10:13:15 AM
Chemistry prof at UNL in the early 80's addressing my freshman engineering class of about 300

look at the person to your right and the person to the left - one of the three of you will survive and move on to get an engineering degree
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: mcwterps1 on March 17, 2019, 10:38:24 AM
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Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on March 17, 2019, 11:35:17 AM
What that message from Kagan means depends a lot on the attitudes of the person reading it.

We were told the same thing when we matriculated into medical school. I bet they say the same to every entering law, dental, and business student, too. Which are all examples of this "maybe bad or lazy" message being paired with serious educating. And that doesn't have to be a paradox. It can just be a distinction that an important step is over. Or a signal that "typically everyone who gets this far is serious and you're one of them, so you're set."  Either way, we can assure ourselves that even though I received this message from Dean Paz at a first year "white coat ceremony" and was told "P = MD," as in "pass and you're a doctor," which was all true and that almost everyone graduated, getting an M.D. still took some doing. That the message doesn't (have to) contradict real education.
No, a "competition is over now" message doesn't have to contradict getting a real education.  But it isn't ringing support for the notion that there is serious work still to be done or you won't graduate either.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on March 17, 2019, 12:03:38 PM
Our late law school Dean deadpanned, 'Look to the right of you, look to the left of you.......some of you will be sleeping with each over the next three years... (after laughter)  possibly getting married, having kids, divorced.'  I'm pretty sure he said those other things suggested above but why would I remember those words, after an opening line like that.     That same Dean also covered the entire beer tab following finals following the first semester.      
What a line! Ha
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on March 17, 2019, 02:23:22 PM
No, a "competition is over now" message doesn't have to contradict getting a real education.  But it isn't ringing support for the notion that there is serious work still to be done or you won't graduate either.
Since I wrote it that way (re: doesn't have to), I think we agree. But our tone is different. 

Do you think "doesn't have to" is better interpreted as "typically not a problem but can be" or as "is rampant problem but not for everyone?" I lean much closer to the first but acknowledge that I've picked two extremes and that there's plenty of space in between. I'm not denying that, just expressing which side of the spectrum seems to me to have more truth.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 17, 2019, 03:48:39 PM
Just back from lunch and a 4 mile walk with the wife.  The area down near Tech on this side of the freeway is growing like crazy.    Tech is expanding significantly apparently, and attracting the usual "hangers on" in a good way.  It looks to be a bit over two miles from our place to the Tech stadium, less to the baseball field, and I might take in some college baseball this spring.   I never developed the antipathy for Tech that many Dawg fans at least pretend to have in part because I almost went there.  Twice.

The Varsity is still going strong, I guess for traditional reasons.  Frankly the food isn't special at all.  I remember taking the kids there during the Olympics, we had gotten out of a late event at the Georgia Dome (basketball) and the trains were jammed, one after the other.  So I told them we'd walk to the Varsity and eat something and by then the trains would have emptied, but that never happened, they were full at 1 AM.  I had a fear I'd get on with my girls and my son wouldn't make it.

If you had a ticket to an Olympic event, MARTA was free.  Traffic was very light that whole week because everyone feared a disaster.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on March 18, 2019, 12:19:25 AM
Since I wrote it that way (re: doesn't have to), I think we agree. But our tone is different.

Do you think "doesn't have to" is better interpreted as "typically not a problem but can be" or as "is rampant problem but not for everyone?" I lean much closer to the first but acknowledge that I've picked two extremes and that there's plenty of space in between. I'm not denying that, just expressing which side of the spectrum seems to me to have more truth.
I think you're emphasizing the word "doesn't," while I am emphasizing the word "have."
I'm only referring to the humanities and soft sciences, while your perspective, I believe, is based on your experience in medical school.  Maybe there's the source of which word each of us emphasizes.

But I do think that most non-medical people would be a bit uncomfortable if they understood that nearly every student who gets into medical school graduates as a doctor.
I'm thinking of a couple of Army schools from which I graduated back in the '80s. Both Ranger School and Flight School were hard to get into and also hard to pass.  Ranger School was harder to pass than to get into, maybe because intangibles (or lack thereof) are harder to screen.  In any event, my class had a 33% graduation rate.  Flight School was harder to get into than to pass, because there were many more objective disqualifiers, but the pass rate--at least as far as making it through without having getting bumped down to a following class--was still only about 60%.  Even at that, there were students who graduated who shouldn't have.  They would get assigned to jobs like assistant airfield commander, in which they would fly a few hours a month, probably with an instructor pilot in order to minimize the risk that they would screw up and convert a helicopter into a smoking hole in the ground.
Not good comparisons, really, but I haven't experienced anything in academia close to med school.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on March 18, 2019, 01:53:21 AM
It's true that my experiences come from the physical sciences (med school and now grad school for biochemistry). But I have some experience outside that. One of my undergrad majors was political science and my wife is a professor of Spanish and linguistics. Polisci at Michigan seemed pretty serious, but maybe that was different in the direction you mean (somewhat more lax). Still, I think the difference would be easy to overstate. There's lots of ambition/competition in those halls and more to learn than is possible in a lifetime. For my wife, it's seldom acknowledged by outsiders, but linguistics is steeped in the scientific method, the functional anatomy of the mouth/throat, the nonstop evolution of languages, and neuroscience. It isn't usually regarded as a "hard science" but prob should be. And my wife will admit that she gets several students who enroll thinking they can blow it off. But, on day one of each semester, she has taken to introducing the necessary effort level as comparable to what they'd expect if this were physics. And it generally works. They get wide-eyed then they buy in or disenroll, which is good for everyone.

Spanish is probably the closest to what you've described. For many reasons, students are more likely to treat that laxly**. So stronger examples of your sense do exist. But I never meant to promise they were nonexistent. I just think the problem is focal not global, and generally under control.

**(Probably for many reasons. We live in America, where, unlike every other nation, a single language dominates from ocean to ocean, and because of our influence and economy, English is becoming a sort of lingua franca worldwide, so we don't strictly *need* to move beyond English to communicate with neighbors as they do in Europe, for example. Of course, that can change - the US has the 2nd largest Spanish speaking population in the world - but I digress. Americans also can sometimes have unhealthy attitudes about Spanish born of disrespect of the people who speak it. And these things, even if none of it is meant as mean-spirited, can make US undergrads more likely to blow off a language class with the false idea it'll be an easy A and that's especially true for Spanish.)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 18, 2019, 09:23:30 AM
Med students in general are a pretty motivated bunch.  They've been through a LOT to get admitted.  Other than for personal reasons, they are unlikely to fail to "do the work" and unlikely to not be academically qualified, so most should graduate.  In the military parallels, it could be more akin to Infantry Officer's Course in the Marines, the candidates have already been through TBS and are generally motivated, so most pass even though it is rigorous.

Grad school in the sciences is different, it's a long slog with uncertain outcomes.  Some students are academically challenged as the admission policies are not nearly so strict, and they favor English language speaking candidates.  A fair number just get tired of it and take a masters and leave, some females get pregnant, etc.  

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 18, 2019, 09:37:20 AM
It is interesting how grad school is looked at by the different majors. An MS in Engineering is NOT a consolation prize by any stretch. It is looked upon as an achievement, for sure. In my field, you don't see many PhD's in practice. They generally tend to stay in academia. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 18, 2019, 10:49:25 AM
Yup, it's just that an MS in engineering is a useful degree, in say chemistry, it's nearly worthless.  You won't get paid any more than someone with a BS.  

A PhD in engineering is nearly worthless outside academia, in many cases, whereas in the sciences it gives you an entry point well ahead of anyone with an MS.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 18, 2019, 10:56:19 AM
A buddy of mine at work had a PhD in Chem Eng, he got it at Columbia in 8 years.  He was a very smart, but very unmotivated guy.  I was about ten years in and full of ambition.  He was section head and got demoted back to staff, which was a hard knock.  I ended up being his defacto boss in the sense he was content to do whatever I asked of him, and if it was interesting he'd do an incredibly good job.  If not, well, he wouldn't do anything.

Our boss at the time was worthless and didn't care about anything at all.  We'd have weekly meetings and he'd just nod and say "Good work, carry on."

I always felt it was a huge waste of a good man, and it was.  Of course, after I'd been there 25 years or so I was much the same person though far less capable than Harry.

I wasn't burned out exactly, but my apathy was exceptional.  I didn't care, my boss didn't care, his boss didn't care, no one else cared.  That's how I ended up posting so much around here.  There was a lot of horsepower at that company sitting around doing nothing.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Riffraft on March 18, 2019, 10:57:09 AM
I'd rather have my finger and toe nails plucked out, one by one, than go ice fishing. It would have the same effect on my fingers and toes anyway.
I will never live anywhere again where there is a potential for ice and snow. I love shoveling sunshine during the winter here in Phoenix. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on March 18, 2019, 12:35:07 PM
When your skin is sticking to the seats in July give us an up date :dink:
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on March 18, 2019, 12:42:41 PM
My wife and I met when she was  nearing the end of Med School and I was nearing the end of law school.   She was stunned by the complete indifference we all had to studying or caring all that much as a 3L.   

We have totally different study habits and strengths , hopefully our kids can benefit from that balance.  I handle all of the writing, research and general humanities while the wife does all the math and science .
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 18, 2019, 12:54:21 PM
It is interesting how grad school is looked at by the different majors. An MS in Engineering is NOT a consolation prize by any stretch. It is looked upon as an achievement, for sure. In my field, you don't see many PhD's in practice. They generally tend to stay in academia.
I don't find that to be true in my line of work [data storage for HDD and SSD]. In order to keep increasing density, we need those PhD's, because nobody else in the world has the sort of specialized knowledge that they do. I remember one of our sales meetings a few years ago [before the SSD acquisition] where they were talking to the 400+ sales and field engineering people in the room, and said that within the company, we employed more PhD's than people in that room. 
As another point, I remember when I interviewed at Motorola coming out of college. The job I was interviewing for was doing embedded microcontroller work, and I'd be implementing the signal processing algorithms in the processors. I asked "so would I be involved in developing any of those algorithms?" The interviewer said "nope, we leave that to the PhD's."
That said, I agree with your wider point. An MS in engineering is definitely a feather in your cap. And while I'd say that a lot of PhD's end up in academia, for certain fields that's definitely not a rule. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 18, 2019, 01:01:41 PM
Regarding the "the competition is over" comment, it reminded me of a study I learned about many years back. The study was trying to correlate college choices with future earnings. 


Essentially, if you have balls and put in the time to apply to Harvard, you're probably the type of person who at least has SOME shot of getting into Harvard. You're not going to even apply if you're the type of person who would only qualify for your local community college. 

The study kind of concluded, to a large extent, that individual success had nothing to do with how "elite" the education you received was. It had much more to do with what you brought to the school to begin with. 

That said, I'm guessing that if you make it into Harvard Law School, your likelihood of blowing it after that point is nearly zero, barring outside forces [drug addiction, legal trouble, etc]. You've already signaled to the world that you're the type of person who is going to be a success. If you were going to fail, you would have done so much earlier and never gotten into Harvard Law.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 18, 2019, 01:11:14 PM
Child #2 got a law degree and passed the bar but said 60% of the class failed the bar exam first time.

I know the Patent Bar has a high failure rate.  It would be a bummer to get a law degree and not pass the bar exam, even first time.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 18, 2019, 01:23:17 PM
If I coached at a Georgia Southern kind of school, I'd run a gimmicky offense and find those "dual threat" QBs who are offered to play safety at UGA etc.  I might devise some kind of two QB system, or go the other way and just run the "single wing" kind of thing.  Sorry if you're a WR in my system, you are a decoy, you needn't come to practice.  We're going to play 8 on 8 or 7 on 7, maybe you can block a bit.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 18, 2019, 04:39:03 PM
that would be a decent strategy at many programs that want to make a sudden move up in their conference rankings

Kansas in the Big 12 or even a program like Nebraska that has recruiting challenges compared to the programs at the top of the conference.

Back in Osborne's era, there were some darn fine blockers that didn't weigh 200 lbs.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on March 19, 2019, 10:29:51 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbX6AT6HeYY
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on March 25, 2019, 08:44:43 PM
If I coached at a Georgia Southern kind of school, I'd run a gimmicky offense and find those "dual threat" QBs who are offered to play safety at UGA etc.  I might devise some kind of two QB system, or go the other way and just run the "single wing" kind of thing.  Sorry if you're a WR in my system, you are a decoy, you needn't come to practice.  We're going to play 8 on 8 or 7 on 7, maybe you can block a bit.
Need the WRs to work on the finer points of blocking. Gotta learn to sell those on the play-action
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MichiFan87 on March 25, 2019, 11:21:00 PM
I just got done reviewing 30 applications for Michigan's DC alumni chapter scholarship, and I have to say that most of them were rather authentic and well-written, many had a good idea about what they wanted from their college experience and even professional goals, some even already had meaningful internships and research experience, and it appeared that most of them had genuine need for the scholarship (some were first-generation students, immigrants, ailing family members, parents with blue-collar jobs, etc.). There were a few duds (and maybe the rest had already been filtered out), but I was asked to score and rank them, and most of them were pretty tough to differentiate, though it's also hard to compare an aspiring computer scientist or engineer to an accomplished musician or entrepreneur.... Unfortunately 1 will get the scholarship, and sounded like only a few others might have the means to be able to attend even though they were all admitted and many stated Michigan would be their top choice despite having also applied to Ivy League and top ACC schools.

I post this not to brag about Michigan, but it's a nice reminder that there are a lot of intelligent and motivated students out there who have integrity and don't have the advantages of people who grew up like I did, much less those with wealthier parents than mine. For any of you who have the opportunity to be involved in your own local alumni club's scholarship committee, I highly recommend it.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 30, 2019, 09:19:42 AM
Mornin' all. 


Lobster, corn and home-made fries are on the docket for tonight. I might throw an Asian twist at these things. Still thinking about it.


And F Dook.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 30, 2019, 10:14:48 AM
I was going to braise beef ribs in the crockpot, but feeling like crap

came down with something like the flu yesterday - slept from 5pm to 8:30am, waking for short parts of the basketball

going to try to buck up and make it to the bar to have a birthday schooner with a good friend - he turns 56 tomorrow

and I need to hit the grocery store, truck needs gas
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 30, 2019, 10:15:12 AM
Anniversary dinner at Amar Santana's restaurant in Laguna Beach tonight. He was a finalist on Top Chef about three seasons ago.

Then home to watch the Purdue game on DVR lol. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 30, 2019, 10:56:52 AM
Happy Anniversary! Ours is in two weeks - 22 years. Where does the damn time go?!?!?




Hope you feel better FF. Flu-like crap sucks. Maybe toss a little bourbon in with the Schooner.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on March 30, 2019, 01:16:46 PM
Builder says we should be done by June 15.    Finalizing landscaping plan today.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 30, 2019, 03:41:56 PM
Making some beer while the wife runs errands. 10 gallons of Rye Pale Ale.

One of our local breweries (Chapman Crafted) is running a homebrew competition next month, and my homebrew club is operating it. Winner has their beer professionally brewed by Chapman Crafted and entered into the Great American Beer Festival's pro-am competition. 

Going to enter the hoppy blonde I brewed a few weeks ago (probably not correct to style, so I don't expect it to do great as a blonde ale), and this. The recipe has done well in competition before, and that was long before I started using reverse osmosis water with proper mineral adjustments, so I expect this one will be even better. 

Hoping, anyway ;-) 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 30, 2019, 07:10:04 PM
Builder says we should be done by June 15.    Finalizing landscaping plan today.
I wish you would have hired a good engineer/landscape architect for your place. Dammit.
I'll critique it all when I come over to mess up your kitchen.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 31, 2019, 10:05:43 AM
puked up the Schooner at the gas station after leaving the bar

feeling a bit better this morning, got a small portion of oatmeal down

seems like it might stay down
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 31, 2019, 10:12:26 AM
[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]The NCAA’s [/color]“Day in the Life” (https://hailvarsity.com/s/6543/nebraska-players-dont-want-student-athlete-life-ncaa-is-pushing)[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)] commercial doesn’t sit right with the Huskers’ Jaron Woodyard and Lamar Jackson.[/color]

the formatting was off, but the link works
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on March 31, 2019, 12:25:20 PM
gonna sear the beef ribs and start the braising

feeling a bit better, hope I'm hungry in about 7 hours
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on March 31, 2019, 04:04:52 PM
I wish you would have hired a good engineer/landscape architect for your place. Dammit.
I'll critique it all when I come over to mess up your kitchen.
Hey now, the architect is a Purdue alum, as is the builder.   I think the landscape guy is a Ball St grad, but I just know he did my inlaws and we like him.   It's a pretty local build, save some of the framing joists/lumber which is Canadian, the exterior brick is from Alabama, and the cream city brick for my bar is from Milwaukee.  Hard to get local countertops.  
Builder and his millworkers have built the vanities and many of the cabinets, and all of the trim.  Here's something for our baluster/stairway upstairs.  I couldn't do this in a lifetime.  
<br />(https://i.ibb.co/fQcmXS5/20190328-194240-resized-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fQcmXS5)<br />
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 01, 2019, 06:56:56 AM
In Boston, ready to be home.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 02, 2019, 11:38:30 AM
Finally got taxes done. Ended up doing TurboTax instead of my accountant... Saved me about $275 and judging by a comparison between 2017 and 2018 returns, didn't really change the way my taxes were done in any meaningful way. So that was good.

For once I wasn't royally screwed come tax time. Getting married really helped too. But even then, I ended up owing slightly on my federal and getting a couple hundred back on state.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: GopherRock on April 03, 2019, 06:17:20 PM
Not sure if all of you heard this, but I just transferred back up to St. Paul to work in another office. Rochester was nice, but I'm glad to be back up by the fiance' and family. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 03, 2019, 06:35:23 PM
Not sure if all of you heard this, but I just transferred back up to St. Paul to work in another office. Rochester was nice, but I'm glad to be back up by the fiance' and family.
My company has a major office in Rochester MN... And if they ever tell me that I need to transfer or be laid off, I'm going to take my chances on the job market!
(Not that I have any complaints about Rochester beyond the weather; I've never been there myself. I'm sure it's lovely 2 months out of the year.)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 03, 2019, 07:09:08 PM
Not sure if all of you heard this, but I just transferred back up to St. Paul to work in another office. Rochester was nice, but I'm glad to be back up by the fiance' and family.
Congrats pal.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 05, 2019, 03:43:24 PM
Home, Uber to the airport in Boston worked fine, a bit pricey for a 30 minute ride.  Flight uneventful, caught MARTA home, lugging two suitcases about 7 blocks or so, mostly downhill or flat.  Got a bit sweaty.  This is the nicest time of the year in ATL, dogwoods in bloom and azaleas, think the Masters.  And then the pine pollen hits.

I don't see much future for cabs with Uber and Lyft.

Autonomous cars and EVs will be here in a few.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on April 05, 2019, 04:50:10 PM
Yup. Autonomous vehicles are going to put a lot of people out of work.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on April 05, 2019, 05:00:49 PM

USS Constitution? And which submarine--the Lionfish?

I've got to get the in-laws (who live in MA) to take the boy to Battleship Cove and Maritime Museum.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 05, 2019, 05:01:45 PM
http://www.ussalbacore.org/ (http://www.ussalbacore.org/)

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on April 05, 2019, 05:16:33 PM
The Iowa has an exhibit running right now called "Lost at Sea" that focuses on naval shipwrecks. It included the Hood and the Bismarck, but more interesting (and previously unknown to me) was the section on the submarines Thresher and the Scorpion. Yeesh--what an awful fate.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 05, 2019, 05:21:04 PM
The HMS Hood did a lot to make the Bismark famous, really.  The odd thing is that the shot that blew up the Hood MAY have originated with the Prince Eugen that was with the Bismark.

The Hood was a large battle cruiser that lacked armor in key spots.  I was musing that the USS Constitution was a kind of battle cruiser of its day, fast enough to run from a real "ship of the line" and armed well enough to dominate other frigates.  

The German ship Tirpitz is less famous but had a larger impact on the course of the war just by "being".
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on April 05, 2019, 05:50:20 PM
Indeed. The boy has a model of the Tirpitz...and one of the Bismarck, the Missouri, and he's currently working on the Yamato (Iowa is next--why he felt the need to do the Iowa after the Missouri, I'm not sure). Unlike the Bismarck (scuttled, though it would have sunk eventually), the English actually sunk the Tirpitz--the ship that was the reason for the Iowa sailing in the Atlantic. When the Tirpitz went down, the Iowa was sent to the Pacific.

And the Hood--also a rough fate, with only three of the 1500 on board rescued.

My grandmother remembers sitting around the dinner table with her father, a Navy Captain, listening to worry about the Tirpitz coming out of port.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on April 05, 2019, 06:53:28 PM
The HMS Hood did a lot to make the Bismark famous, really.  The odd thing is that the shot that blew up the Hood MAY have originated with the Prince Eugen that was with the Bismark.

The Hood was a large battle cruiser that lacked armor in key spots.  I was musing that the USS Constitution was a kind of battle cruiser of its day, fast enough to run from a real "ship of the line" and armed well enough to dominate other frigates.  

The German ship Tirpitz is less famous but had a larger impact on the course of the war just by "being".
The British had a lot of emotion invested in the Hood.  She was built before the Washington Naval Treaty of 1922, which--among other provisions--limited the size (weight, actually, but it's somewhat the same thing) of capital ships.  The battleships built after than were known as "treaty ships," and they were less than satisfactory.  They had to give up something--armor, armament, or propulsion--to stay within the treaty limits.  You got battleships like Nelson and Rodney, where there were no main guns aft of the superstructure, which was located about 2/3 of the way back to the stern.  They were jokingly referred to as Nelsol and Rodnol, as they sort of resembled a class of fleet oilers.
Back to Hood, Johnny Horton didn't invent calling her "The Mighty Hood."  That was how the British saw her--she was the largest battle cruiser ever built, the Pride of the Fleet.  As you mentioned, it was believed that she was fast enough to escape from any ship she couldn't outgun.  Analysis of Jutland cast doubt on that belief, as Beatty's battle cruisers did not fare well in that fight, and Hood's armor was upgraded between the wars.  She was scheduled for a major rebuild in 1941 to correct several shortcomings when WWII broke out.  She never got the upgrade.
Nice comparison to the USS Constitution and her fellow big frigates.
The Germans had had a different philosophy in building battle cruisers before WWI.  Instead of reducing armor protection, they reduced the size of the main guns.  These fared better at Jutland than the British ones.  They were badly shot up, but none of them blew up like three of Beatty's did.
WWI did a lot to kill enthusiasm for battle cruisers, and several of them--some already built, others still under construction--were converted to aircraft carriers.  Lexington and Saratoga were the American examples of this.
Nazi Germany built the Scharnhorst and Gneisenau before WWII.  They were sometimes called fast battleships, but they were really battle cruisers.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on April 05, 2019, 07:41:49 PM
Hood's companion in the Battle of Denmark Strait was the battleship HMS Prince of Wales.  She was designed to the limits of the Washington Treaty.  What she gave up was firepower--she only had 14" main guns.  It was her first fight--in fact, she wasn't even quite finished.  She put to sea with civilian workers still aboard.  She was hurt in that fight, with one shot from Bismarck killing everyone on her bridge except her captain and one other officer, and another shot disabling her aft turret.

Two months after that, she took Winston Churchill to secretly meet Franklin Roosevelt in Placentia Bay, Newfoundland for the "Atlantic Conference," which produced the famous Atlantic Charter.

Army Air Forces chief Hap Arnold went to that meeting too.  There's a great monograph about how four AAF Forces officers planned the U.S. air war against Germany during the nine days Arnold was gone.  It's Planning the American Air War: Four Men and Nine Days in 1941, by James Gaston.  Here's a passage about Prince of Wales.  Gaston contrasts what has happened and what will happen to Prince of Wales with what most Americans are thinking about in that last summer of our peace: new music, new fashions, and summer vacations.

Quote
Fifteen hundred miles to the northeast [of Coney Island], though, the threat of much more than a gasoline shortage had become very real to Hap Arnold. Thanks to Captain J.C. Leach and the Prince of Wales. Arnold had looked closely at a war that had little to do with windshield stickers or gas station curfews.  Something more than a funhouse demon had mauled Britain's proudest battleship, and something more than "production line" fashion shows and the "Defense Swing" would soon be demanded of America.

Four months later, almost to the day, something more was demanded of J.C. Leach. Off Singapore at 11:45 A.M. on 10 December, Japanese torpedo bombers caught the Prince of Wales in open seas with no air protection. Within an hour, the ship's condition was hopeless. At 1:15, Leach gave the order to abandon ship. Several of his men escaped, but Leach remained on the bridge until escape was impossible. He spoke his last words to another British ship in the area—"Goodbye. Thank you. Good luck. God bless you."—from a spot 9,600 miles west of New York, a world away from Coney Island.

Prince of Wales, along with modernized battle cruiser HMS Repulse were sunk 2 days into the Pacific War.  For anyone who cared to learn, it was proof that battleships could not survive against determined air attacks.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 05, 2019, 07:56:02 PM
Speaking of Singapore, there is of course the old story that the guns of the fortress could not be turned around to fire on the Japanese who invaded by land instead of sea.  Reality is that guns were equipped with only armor piercing shells, not high explosive, so they'd be of little value against an armed force on land.  Naval guns would fire either armor piercing rounds, which were mostly steel, or high explosive, which were mostly, well, explosive.  Tanks today use the same basic concept firing either sabot rounds of HEAT rounds, in the main.

An M1A2 fires a sabot round of repleted uranium which carries a lot of momentum to whatever it hits.  The Russian tanks were often equipped with reactive armor that would explode outward when hit, but the sabot would go right through, and generate  a lot of heat if it did not penetrate.

The USS Washington fired somewhere around 78 rounds in a night battle with the Japanese battle cruiser Kirishima near Guadalacanal and had estimated 9 hits, at 10,000 yards or so, radar guided, in 1942.  The IJN Kirishima was sunk.  Not an equal contest, and one of few battleship engagements in WW Two.

Most battleships never did what they were designed to do, fight other BBs.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on April 05, 2019, 08:11:36 PM
Prince of Wales, along with modernized battle cruiser HMS Repulse were sunk 2 days into the Pacific War.  For anyone who cared to learn, it was proof that battleships could not survive against determined air attacks.
Old Chester was ahead of the curve in naval warfare in both submariners and flattops.Some old ships that were being scuttled were use to demonstrate by Bill Mitchell what Air Power could do.The other old Navy Captains were poo-pooing the idea,but Chester was moving that program forward after Mitchell's demonstration of demolition
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on April 05, 2019, 09:28:43 PM
CD:

Bismarck and Tirpitz may have had exaggerated reputations.  In some ways, they reflected WWI-era thinking.  For example, they had two different types of medium guns--12 150mm (5.9") guns for use against ships and 16 105mm (4.1") guns for anti-aircraft fire.  By comparison, the American Iowa-class battleships had 20 dual-purpose 5" guns.  This left more room on the Iowas for smaller 40mm and 20mm AA guns.

Also, the Bismarcks were designed for a different role for what they were intended to perform.  From the start, they were intended as commerce-raiders, and that's how they were used.  But they were designed to slug it out with other battleships, and did not have the range that commerce-raiders needed.

Here's an amateur analysis that concludes that the Iowa-class battleships were the best ever, significantly better than the much-bigger and more heavily armed Japanese Yamato-class ships.  The Bismarcks don't come out very well here either.

http://www.combinedfleet.com/baddest.htm (http://www.combinedfleet.com/baddest.htm)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on April 05, 2019, 09:35:45 PM
Mr. Nubbz:

I grew up as the son of an Air Force fighter pilot and I loved Billy Mitchell (although he was a bomber guy).

But Mitchell cheated in those demonstrations against the German battleship Ostfriesland.  He used 2000-lb bombs instead of the agreed-upon 1,000-pounders.  And his supporters falsely claimed that the Ostfriesland had been a reputedly unsinkable super-battleship.

This sort of thing is what eventually got Mitchell court-martialed.

In addition, the German ship was anchored, making it a sitting duck.  Hitting a ship maneuvering at speed is a much more difficult task than hitting a stationary one.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MichiFan87 on April 06, 2019, 12:25:02 AM
GreenTechMedia's Interchange podcast just had an episode about the future of autonomous / electric vehicles. Unfortunately, they probably won't be mainstream as soon as previously thought, even with Lyft's recent IPO and Uber's upcoming one. It's still a matter of when than if, but regulatory issues and bad press (eg. Uber and Waymo's accidents) don't help. They should proliferate within cities first, though....
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 06, 2019, 07:32:44 AM
The track record for the B-17 hitting moving ships in WW I is apparently one for a whole lot.  Some Japanese destroyer was hit with a bomb from a B-17.  You can't hit a ship from altitude that is at sea except by chance.  Dive bombing was of course far more accurate and the Japanese had a tremendous torpedo that did most of their damage to ships, air or ship/boat delivered.  My Dad was a radar operator on a B-24 in the SW Pacific and he told me they would line up and drop on night shipping at low altitude and the radar would "time" the bomb release.  The Japanese couldn't see them.  They went down in the ocean - reports vary about where - and 3 were later rescued, so I have his Purple Heart now.

They carried guns and gunners who never did anything and once they talked the pilot into attacking a Japanese air strip to strafe.  They did that once.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on April 06, 2019, 10:14:57 AM
The B-24 was the world's most produced bomber, heavy bomber, multi-engine aircraft, and American military aircraft in history.

It was a clumsy airplane, difficult to fly in comparison with its contemporaries.  The "Davis" wing was very efficient, giving it more lift than a B-17 had with less wing area.  But was not effective at high altitude, so the B-24 had a lower ceiling than the B-17.  It also was very adversely affected by icing.

The twin tails contributed to its poor handling, and eventually the thoroughly reworked PB4Y-2 Privateer naval variant had a tall single tail that was a decided improvement.

It's most famous mission was probably Operation Tidal Wave, the Ploesti raid of August 1943.  53 aircraft (out of 177 that took off) and 660 air crewmen were lost. It was the second-worst loss ever suffered by the USAAF on a single mission.

Aircrews preferred the B-17, but the Army, looking at range and bomb-load stats ordered B-24s in huge numbers--18,500 of them were built, including 4,600 made by Ford at its gigantic Willow Run factory.

I imagine it would be pretty hairy strafing an enemy airbase in a B-24.  Or dropping down to bomb ships at night.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/Operation_Tidal_Wave_in_1943.jpg/1280px-Operation_Tidal_Wave_in_1943.jpg)

A B-24 Liberator called "Sandman" during a bomb run over the Ploiești Astra Romana refinery during Operation Tidal Wave.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on April 06, 2019, 10:22:21 AM
I used to spend idle time waiting for my Dad's flight home in the Billy Mitchell gallery of flight at Mitchell Intl Airport in MKE.  He, and his father, have a lot of things with the Mitchell name.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 06, 2019, 10:32:08 AM
With radar, my Dad's plane could see enemy ships and they couldn't see the bomber, they still fired into the air.  He told me their standard bomb run was at 500 feet.  They would try to line up with the long portion of the ship using radar and Dad would connect his radar to the bomb release and when a line met another line they would drop 500 lb bombs automatically.

The planes had turbocharger problems also, the night they went down they had to go back because a turbo "ran away" on run up, I'm not sure what that means.  Perhaps the waste gate locked closed, don't know.  He said the planes would take off over loaded every time and reach the end of the run way and the copilot would retract the gear and the plan would sink almost into the ocean.  They went down in the second aircraft.  My Dad had a real struggle getting his Purple Heart because of the records fire and the general war mayhem at the time.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 06, 2019, 10:32:49 AM
Incidentally, the Air Force Museum in Dayton, Ohio is the most expansive and complete I've ever seen anywhere.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on April 06, 2019, 10:51:23 AM
Flying at 500 feet at night over water with no visual references in a B-24 strikes me as reasonably hairy even without the bombs and enemy defensive fire figured in.  500 feet is only about 4 1/2 B-24 wingspans (110 feet).  It wouldn't take much of an abrupt maneuver to drop 200-300 feet in altitude.  I wonder what they used to indicate their altitude.  The standard altimeter, with the barometric pressure having been set before takeoff at home base, could have been off by quite a bit hundreds of miles away.  But I don't think they would have had anything else.

Army helicopters--which routinely fly night missions at low levels--have radar altimeters.  I'm pretty sure those did not exist back in WWII.

Those turbo-superchargers were pushing the edge of technology, I think.  I know that P-38s and P-47s had trouble with them.  Probably B-17s did too.

I had an uncle who served in WWII (Navy torpedo-bomber gunner), Korea (Air Force Reserve RB-29 flight engineer) and Vietnam (Air America flight engineer).  All his records were lost in the St. Louis fire.

I'd love to see the Air Force Museum someday.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 06, 2019, 11:01:42 AM
The radar could "see" clouds, according to my Dad.  He said they could tune in a frequency to show where clouds were heaviest.  I imagine they had a radar altimeter at the time.  It would be an easy technology relatively speaking.  They had a mission to Truk he told me about with the "daylight boys".  They took along a "Snooper" to fly them around the worst of the clouds as the distance was at extreme range (I think they were based on New Georgia at the time, but they changed bases over the months.)  The radar plane he said never came home after those raids, he was waiting their turn fatalistically.  Now, some of what my Dad told me is probably somewhat distorted of course.

I know the B-24 had an advanced autopilot which made it preferred in the Pacific, perhaps it was slaved to the radar altimeter?  Maybe I misrecall 500 feet, also possible.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on April 06, 2019, 11:46:27 AM
Heh!  Checking the Font of All Wisdom and Knowledge, I see that radar altimeters WERE used in WWII, although a quick Google search doesn't turn up anything about their use on B-24s.  Could the flight controls have been slaved to one?--maybe so.

I wasn't doubting the 500' figure.  Just saying that that would have been a bit tense at night.  Flying an AH-64 Apache at 100 feet and 100 knots at night--even with pretty good night vision systems--is tense.  Flying a lumbering B-24 at 200 knots, low level, at night . . . that's not a walk in the park, even without having enemies out there who want to kill you.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 06, 2019, 11:50:30 AM
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51Z2oMmBC3L._SX382_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 06, 2019, 11:51:54 AM
https://rec.aviation.military.narkive.com/9UiIcrUv/sb-24-snooper-aircraft (https://rec.aviation.military.narkive.com/9UiIcrUv/sb-24-snooper-aircraft)

The Internet is wonderful.

Both of these squadrons were equipped with the “SB-24″ in October
1943. The initial allotment was ten “SB-24s” for the Solomons and 13
for New Guinea. The “SB-24s” were modified B-24s but I have been
unable to find any information about the number that existed.

What makes these two squadron unique is that they operated
“SB-24s” (an unofficial designation) that were equipped with blind-
flying equipment consisting of the SCR-717 10-centimeter Sea Search
Radar, the SCR-729 Aircraft Radar Beacon (aka “Rebecca IIA”) and a
number of other devices including an absolute altimeter, a radar scope
and a bomb-release mechanism. The mission of both squadrons was for
low level, anti-shipping strikes under the cover of darkness. They had
this capability because the radar-sighting devices permitted operation
of the bomb-release mechanism irrespective of visual sighting of the
target.

Some four-engine SB-24 bombers were equipped with SCR-717 air-to-
surface radars for finding targets at night and AN/APQ-5 low altitude
radars for bomb aiming. Called “Snoopers,” two squadrons of about
forty SB-24s serving with Fifth, and Thirteenth Air Forces claimed to
have sunk 344 enemy ships, barges, and sampans at night, with 62 more
probably destroyed and 446 damaged.

By March 1944, the Japanese ceased sending shipping convoys to the
Solomons area and the 868th Bombardment Squadron was out of a job and
were subsequently used as pathfinders for high-altitude bombers. I
believe the 63d Bombardment Squadron also converted to high level
bombing in 1944.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 06, 2019, 12:00:57 PM
absolute altimeter

an aircraft altimeter that determines distance to the earth by radio measuring the time needed for an emitted wave to reach the earth and reflect back to the aircraft


Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on April 06, 2019, 04:12:04 PM
And there you have it.

Learn something new every day.

The B-24 article in the Font of All Wisdom and Knowledge mentions the SB-24 once to say that it operated against enemy shipping.  No information about its equipment, or whether this was a field modification or what.

One of the five plants that build B-24s was one at the Tulsa airport, a factory that the federal government been built using Reconstruction Finance Corporation funds and then leased to Douglas Aircraft.  Douglas built just under 1,000 of them there.

The final Douglas-Tulsa B-24 built was a B-24J-10-DT, S/N 42-51430.  It was paid for by the Douglas workers there, by subscription, I believe.  It was named the "Tulsamerican," and received its nose art there at the factory.  It rolled off the assembly line on 31 July 1944, and crash-landed in the Adriatic Sea returning from a bombing mission on 17 December of that year.  Seven of the 10 crewmen were rescued.  Here's an article about a NOVA episode (https://www.nationalww2museum.org/about-us/notes-museum/nova-dives-story-tulsamerican) featuring the effort to research the crash site and recover any remains or artifacts of the missing crew members.

(https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/tulsaworld.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/8/77/877e424c-70ef-54d3-bddb-f9ddf76e0050/5aaad84ee05bd.image.jpg?resize=1200%2C959)

The nose art would not cut it today, of course.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 07, 2019, 08:35:48 AM
It wasn't a field mod.  My Dad's compartment was down near the front of the bombay, he said it was a tough crawl to get there.  He had to roll down the radar dome which replaced the belly turret by hand crank, and it took some time, and was done after they were at altitude because of the drag.  He said the dome was very heavy, and his guess is when the plane hit the water the dome tore the fuselage in half and he floated out.  He was largely unconscious through the night and the flight lieutenant kept him and the copilot afloat until they were rescued by a US destroyer.  He really admired the Flight Lieutenant who he mentioned often, an Isadore Lamica from NY state.  He was later killed in the war.

The radar was a separate compartment and slaved to the bomb "sight".  It sounds to me like a pretty significant mod, probably done at Langley.  My Dad's first missions were against German U Boats using B-18s equipped with radar.  He flew B-25s a few times there in Virginia, and he commented about how they were like fighters compared with heavy bombers.

I met the copilot once when I was a kid, his forehead sloped back very oddly because he went through the wind shield and apparently Lamica who was not badly hurt followed him on impact.  Those three were the only survivors in the crew.  They were in the ocean all night in effect, my Dad drifting in and out of consciousness.  The official records claim the plane went down shortly after takeoff, but my Dad contends they were aloft because he had rolled the dome down into position and that would have been at least 30 minutes out.

My Dad had been a radioman and had been selected for OCS when he was diverted to something they wouldn't tell him about, radar school.  The crew was supposed to shoot him if they were about to be captured by the Japanese, though my Dad said he really didn't know much of anything that would benefit the Japanese.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on April 07, 2019, 09:35:26 AM
Dad had been a radioman and had been selected for OCS when he was diverted to something they wouldn't tell him about, radar school.  The crew was supposed to shoot him if they were about to be captured by the Japanese, though my Dad said he really didn't know much of anything that would benefit the Japanese.
Nice guys,you'd think prospective radio men could have used that little bit of information.At least for Life Ins. sake.Bad enough the Zeke's were trying to blast his ass,he had to keep an eye out for the waist gunner and navigator also.My hats off to them.CD you have any old archived articles on this cached?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 07, 2019, 02:57:47 PM
There isn't a lot on line or anywhere about the 868th Snoopers because they were "secret".  There is one book that I have somewhere around here.  I have a CD with the records of each aircraft, it's called MACRS or something like that.  It's somewhere too.  Some stuff disappeared in our move.  Mostly I have my memories of my Dad's stories which he would get into on rare occasions when I was 10 or so and thought war was a glorious affair like the movies.

I came across on line the nephew of Lt. Lamica in 2005 and was exchanging information with him.  He was a Navy Commander about to retire and said the family knew nothing beyond that his uncle was KIA in the war, not even which theater.  I had a lively discussion going with him but that was July 2005 and August of that year hit me pretty hard.

My Dad talked about Lamica more than anyone else.  My impression is the gulf between officers and enlisted was nonexistent on a bomber crew aside from on a mission, my Dad was a Tech Sergeant (an E7 I think, maybe E6).  Lamica tried to talk my Dad into going on leave with him in 1944 to NZ and my Dad was still limping around and didn't go.  The bird Lamica flew out on was lost and never heard from again.  I think they were back on Guadalcanal at that point at a hospital, I'm not sure.  My Dad mentioned Noemfore a few times but I'm not clear if they flew out of there or not.  I believe the plane went down June 1944, it may have been March.  I need to find my files on it all.

So, I am in possession of two Purple Hearts.  When I was in college I mentioned possibly doing AROTC to my Dad and he was emphatically against it.  I wanted to save him some money.  That was circa 1973.  I was a bit nervous telling him when Chris enlisted in the Marine Corps, but he was surprisingly positive about it.  He apparently thought highly of Marines.  I have some photos of my son in his Deltas just out of recruit training with my Dad and Mom, both have passed on now.

I guess I am suitably digressing.  My other two kids are doing very well for which I am very thankful.  Seeing your kids grow up to be pretty happy is a good thing.  And I have "step kids" now who are close to me as well.  They are all grown too.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on April 07, 2019, 03:06:11 PM
Thank You,if you ferret out or stumble across anything post it here if you feel like it.Hope you find those things missing from the move

In the middle of some projects,read at least 10 books on WWII in the ETO since last March(2018).Lots of projects I'm looking at that should have been addressed.If I can find that book "Snoopers" - it'll be on my bucket list
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 07, 2019, 03:55:25 PM
The first book I'd suggest on WW II would be "With the Old Breed" by E. B. Sledge.  It's considered a classic, and is on the Commandant's reading list, which is a pretty good list incidentally.  The second would be "Barbarossa" by Alan Clark.  

I still have boxes of "stuff" I have not gone through after the move.  Some of it is emotionally taxing to look through.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on April 07, 2019, 04:27:02 PM
Another good WWII book is WWII, by James Jones.  Yes, the James Jones who wrote From Here to Eternity and The Thin Red Line.  It's nonfiction.  The basic thread is "the evolution of a soldier."  Along the way he intersperses his takes on wartime propaganda, his own experiences in the war, wartime art, etc.  I used to have two copies of it, the first a coffee-table-sized paperback and the second a hardback of the same size.  Now I can find neither of them.

:73:
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 07, 2019, 04:28:16 PM
I had a book somewhere entitled "How I keep losing things and forgetting stuff often".  No idea where it went.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on April 07, 2019, 04:59:43 PM
 :57:
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Riffraft on April 08, 2019, 12:14:49 PM
I have a first edition set of Winston Churchill's History of World War II. Was a long but interesting read. Personally I would have never spent the money on it, but it was a gift from someone who knew how much I love history.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 08, 2019, 04:32:16 PM
Kitchen update - Still not completely finished, but functional and usable, finally.  Some minor details to be done.  The wife is quite the detail oriented person fortunately for me.

The good news is she likes it.  I'm fine with it.  I also learned to use the electric grill, which is a plus.  I had previously eschewed it as a toy.

I need to spend time learning more about the new stove, it's complicated.  I can't figure out how to set the time as of yet.  It has a cooking probe in the oven which strikes me as being very useful.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 08, 2019, 04:43:49 PM
What kind of stove did you get?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 08, 2019, 04:54:22 PM
It's a Bosch with an induction cooktop.  

https://www.lowes.com/pd/bosch-800-series-4-6-cu-ft-slide-in-true-convection-induction-range-stainless-steel-common-30-in-actual-31-5-in/1000228503?cm_mmc=shp-_-c-_-prd-_-app-_-google-_-pla-_-186-_-sosranges-_-1000228503-_-0&kpid&k_clickID=go_625713068_34614754270_111134532430_pla-259692503469_c_9010928&gclid=Cj0KCQjw4qvlBRDiARIsAHme6otYKoF-6Bo7xYeuUqDrrvDULGaPig_9ir9hlvr0gCyFd42jthR6CeUaAlfIEALw_wcB (https://www.lowes.com/pd/bosch-800-series-4-6-cu-ft-slide-in-true-convection-induction-range-stainless-steel-common-30-in-actual-31-5-in/1000228503?cm_mmc=shp-_-c-_-prd-_-app-_-google-_-pla-_-186-_-sosranges-_-1000228503-_-0&kpid&k_clickID=go_625713068_34614754270_111134532430_pla-259692503469_c_9010928&gclid=Cj0KCQjw4qvlBRDiARIsAHme6otYKoF-6Bo7xYeuUqDrrvDULGaPig_9ir9hlvr0gCyFd42jthR6CeUaAlfIEALw_wcB)

Shoot, it's 10% off right now.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on April 09, 2019, 12:56:21 PM
Bama and Oklahoma agree to a 2032 and 2033 home and home.  Saban is cool with on campus games when he knows he'll be long gone by then.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 09, 2019, 01:58:29 PM
Supposedly UGA was in discussions with OU, but perhaps this is in lieu of that for OU.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on April 09, 2019, 08:31:47 PM
Supposedly UGA was in discussions with OU, but perhaps this is in lieu of that for OU.
You'll play Texas and like it! ;)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on April 09, 2019, 09:22:57 PM
Supposedly UGA was in discussions with OU, but perhaps this is in lieu of that for OU.
Sooners heard that rumor too.  Maybe this was the source of it: https://thespun.com/college-football/georgia-oklahoma-football-series-schedules (https://thespun.com/college-football/georgia-oklahoma-football-series-schedules).
I rather take exception to this in the story.
Quote
Oklahoma’s next decade worth of non-conference opponents is a little murkier. Aside from games against Big Ten giants Michigan and Nebraska, and a 2020 game against Tennessee the Sooners have relatively little meat on their non-conference schedule.
OU's OOC opponents from 2020 to 2036 include: Nebraska x 4; Tennessee x 2; Michigan x2; Alabama x2; Clemson x2; LSU x2.
OU's got seasons with no marquee OOC game so far in 2023, 2031, and 2034.  2023 will mark the centennial of Oklahoma Memorial Stadium, so we're hoping for a big-name rival.  Some of us jumped to the conclusion that the supposed games with Georgia might include one in Norman that season.  That would have been good news.  Not the biggest of big names, but big, and one who's got scoreboard on us in our only meeting and who is at the top of their game right now.
But my default big-name program is always Notre Dame, even though the Irish "are not now that strength which in old days moved earth and heaven," they are what they are.  We played a singleton game at South Bend in 1999, and I'd like to see a decades-later follow-up in Norman. 2023 would be a good year for that.
Other teams we don't have scheduled down the road (and haven't played semi-recently) that I'd like to see us play start with USC--the butt-kicking we took in the 2004-season Orange Bowl NC game still stings like two losses.  And then, in no particular order:
Penn State
Wisconsin
Stanford
Florida
I'm sure there are others I'm not thinking about.
We've never played Michigan State.  That should end some day.
We're 0-1 vs. Navy.  We should try to find an opportunity to address that some day.
We're 3-4 vs. Miami.  I'd like to see a series with the Canes.  We went 33-3 from 1985 through 1987.  The three losses were to Miami, and they cost us two national championships.  Incredibly, the other Miami win was one of Randy Shannon's insufficient-number-to-keep-his-job wins as Miami HFC--21-20 in 2009 over Bob Stoops.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 09, 2019, 09:25:24 PM
I'd probably travel to Norman for a game against Big Red. And we all know who Big Red is around here.  :72:
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MichiFan87 on April 09, 2019, 10:07:38 PM
It's kind of absurd how big non-con games are already being scheduled in the 2030s. Michigan is set through 2027 with Washington, UCLA, Texas, and Oklahoma, but hopefully they'll get a 2028/2029 series scheduled before all the other top programs are unavailable. According FBSchedules.com Tennessee still appears to be free, which would be a nice opportunity to avenge the 2001 Citrus Bowl, as is Texas A&M, but beyond that are the likes of California, Mississippi, and West Virginia, with those options being surprisingly limited, as well.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on April 09, 2019, 10:15:00 PM
Here's UGA's 24/7 site with a board discussion of the supposed OU-Georgia series as a 2023 game in Norman and a 2031 game in Athens.  The source cited is an OKC radio station.  I have heard that former-Sooner-now-radio-host Dusty Dvoraceck announced it.

https://247sports.com/college/georgia/Board/19/Contents/UGAOU-Football-Game-131007141/ (https://247sports.com/college/georgia/Board/19/Contents/UGAOU-Football-Game-131007141/)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on April 09, 2019, 10:21:09 PM
It's kind of absurd how big non-con games are already being scheduled in the 2030s. Michigan is set through 2027 with Washington, UCLA, Texas, and Oklahoma, but hopefully they'll get a 2028/2029 series scheduled before all the other top programs are unavailable. According FBSchedules.com Tennessee still appears to be free, which would be a nice opportunity to avenge the 2001 Citrus Bowl, as is Texas A&M, but beyond that are the likes of California, Mississippi, and West Virginia, with those options being surprisingly limited, as well.
I'm looking forward to the OU-Michigan series.  Strange that the two programs have only met once.  Les Miles was playing for Michigan in the 1975 (season) Orange Bowl game.  I wonder if he ate any of the turf there at the old stadium.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on April 09, 2019, 10:38:49 PM
I wouldn't put it past Miles but that was during the regrettable period when the OB had astroturf.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on April 09, 2019, 11:07:03 PM
I'd probably travel to Norman for a game against Big Red. And we all know who Big Red is around here.  :72:
Golderned pot stirrer!
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on April 09, 2019, 11:11:35 PM
good luck to those Big Red cheese eaters

I'll be in Norman on Sept 18th, 2021
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on April 10, 2019, 12:27:20 PM
I wouldn't put it past Miles but that was during the regrettable period when the OB had astroturf.
Heh!  So it was.  I forgot about that short-lived experiment.

Les would have had a hard time eating that turf.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on April 10, 2019, 12:30:10 PM
Heh!  So it was.  I forgot about that short-lived experiment.

Les would have had a hard time eating that turf.
That had never really occurred to me until you said it.  They show footage all the time, because I believe that was the first year the Big Ten dropped the Rose Bowl or nothing rule.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 10, 2019, 12:41:08 PM
I went over to the park to jog, the weather is amazing, dogwoods and azaleas out all over, really something I missed for 38 years.

I need to drive the wife around in NW ATL today a bit before traffic gets trafficky, which is about now.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 10, 2019, 01:13:54 PM
UGA cancelled a game with Indiana ..... State.  

"The elimination of the game only gives Georgia more flexibility when it comes to adding Oklahoma to the schedule (https://247sports.com/college/georgia/Article/Georgia-football-Oklahoma-future-home-football-series-130840710/) in 2023. Dawgs247 has confirmed that serious talks are ongoing between the Bulldogs and Sooners to add that game. The Bulldogs would travel to Norman in 2023 and Oklahoma would make the return trip in 2031."

Has anyone ever seen an 8 year split in a H&A series like this?  I hope it happens.  We are undefeated against OU all time.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on April 10, 2019, 01:19:32 PM
UGA cancelled a game with Indiana ..... State.  

"The elimination of the game only gives Georgia more flexibility when it comes to adding Oklahoma to the schedule (https://247sports.com/college/georgia/Article/Georgia-football-Oklahoma-future-home-football-series-130840710/) in 2023. Dawgs247 has confirmed that serious talks are ongoing between the Bulldogs and Sooners to add that game. The Bulldogs would travel to Norman in 2023 and Oklahoma would make the return trip in 2031."

Has anyone ever seen an 8 year split in a H&A series like this?  I hope it happens.  We are undefeated against OU all time.
MSU did a 2 for 1 with Boise State where the first game in East Lansing was in 2012, and the balance of the series is like 2021 and 2022
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on April 10, 2019, 04:23:38 PM
OU played Air Force in Colorado Springs in 2001 and had the return game in Norman in 2010.

I saw some grumbling on the UGA 24/7 site yesterday about the first game being in Norman (presuming the series ends up being a go).

I think that reflects misguided thinking.  I think having the away game first is an advantage.  Steal a road win, then win in your own house for a series sweep.

OU lost the first games at home against Notre Dame and Ohio State in 2012 and 2015.  That created a lot of pressure to win the return game on the road in 2013 and 2016.

The game we lost to Randy Shannon's Miami Hurricanes was the return game in Miami.  We beat the Canes 51-13 in 2007, Shannon's first year, then lost 21-20 in Miami in 2009.  I imagine Shannon learned more from the 2007 game than Bob Stoops did.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 10, 2019, 05:47:00 PM
I've been looking at some new (used) cars lately, for me. I'm thinking of going from the E to an S, and looking at AMG in the process. Those are not cheap, but they are really cool.


(https://www.bing.com/th?id=OIP.mAKDTwkjuP_sjfSmej5b6wHaFB&pid=Api&rs=1&p=0)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 10, 2019, 06:19:10 PM
Dawg fans were grumbling that all these series start out with the away game.  I agree it doesn't really matter. There was some fear ND would not come to Athens when that deal was inked, but I thought it was a given.  Fans worry about silly things at times, duh.  The OU series with Alabama and UGA would be a real thing.

Go for the AMG.  It's a hunk.  Gas mileage will vary.

I had fun with the Caddy CTS-V which is somewhat comparable.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 10, 2019, 08:27:42 PM
I'm thinking. I torn too. I want a Grady-White fishing boat for Florida. Gotta think about balance.


(https://www.cfb51.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gradywhite.com%2Fmedia%2F4511%2F300fish_ret.jpg%3Fwidth%3D2000&hash=2a3d3e59381dcb7e57537763192e45e6)


Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on April 10, 2019, 09:49:20 PM
can always trade the AMG for the Grady later
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on April 10, 2019, 11:18:37 PM
I've been looking at some new (used) cars lately, for me. I'm thinking of going from the E to an S, and looking at AMG in the process. Those are not cheap, but they are really cool.


(https://www.bing.com/th?id=OIP.mAKDTwkjuP_sjfSmej5b6wHaFB&pid=Api&rs=1&p=0)
My i s c & a aggie wife is a big fan of this one:
<br />(https://i.ibb.co/jW0Hgq8/amg-gtr-web-2289.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jW0Hgq8)<br />
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on April 10, 2019, 11:28:53 PM
One of my favorite things about this time of year is seeing people pull out their classic cars.   Got to hear and see this guys beautiful 65 Shelby cobra.   Sounded and looked amazing.  It looked perfect and that roar.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 11, 2019, 06:43:07 AM
That GT would hurt my back. No classic cars seen up here yet...
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 11, 2019, 06:45:37 AM
can always trade the AMG for the Grady later
Ya know, I'm at the point in my life that it kinda hits me when I say "later" or something like that. What does "later" mean? How many more "later's" do I have? I'm definitely on the other side of "half way", like many others on this board. So, I don't know if I want to wait until later. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on April 11, 2019, 07:11:16 AM
I'm thinking. I torn too. I want a Grady-White fishing boat for Florida. Gotta think about balance.


(https://www.cfb51.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gradywhite.com%2Fmedia%2F4511%2F300fish_ret.jpg%3Fwidth%3D2000&hash=2a3d3e59381dcb7e57537763192e45e6)
looks like the 24 fter my buddy had -fine fishing vessel
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on April 11, 2019, 07:12:58 AM
Ya know, I'm at the point in my life that it kinda hits me when I say "later" or something like that. What does "later" mean? How many more "later's" do I have? I'm definitely on the other side of "half way", like many others on this board. So, I don't know if I want to wait until later.
That's a dirty,rotten,lowdown,no good,accurate thing to say
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 11, 2019, 07:59:05 AM
I am starting to struggle just a bit getting into the GTI, which apparently is 0.4" lower than the usual Golf.  I've been working out and stretching, and it's starting to be a chore.  Getting into a car like a Corvette at my age starts to be a real chore.  I can see why folks like SUVs (some, I hate'em personally).

Guys my age like to buy that flashy car they dreamed about all their lives, which is fine, but it starts to be impractical.  I know one can pick up a used nice Corvette for quite the discount.

Did I mention how bad the roads in Boston were?  Terrible.  Massachusettes in general had bad roads.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 11, 2019, 08:26:59 AM
So the wife's car has nitrogen in the tires. Can you switch back to regular air?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 11, 2019, 08:28:45 AM
Another one. I was trying to adjust the wheels on the screen door where we live and one of the screw heads is stripped. Anyone have a suggestion on removing this screw so I can replace it? Problem is it's recessed and I can't get at it with anything I have on hand. Is there a bit I can buy that will do the deed? Ugh.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 11, 2019, 09:36:05 AM
So the wife's car has nitrogen in the tires. Can you switch back to regular air?
Regular air is 79% nitrogen, which I'm sure you know, so it's close.
As for the stripped recessed screw, I think drilling it out may be required.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 11, 2019, 10:45:58 AM
Something like this? 

https://www.amazon.com/Extractor-Stripped-HassleFree-Hardness-63-65hrc/dp/B07GZ17QD9/

I don't know if that's the right size for your application  but searching for "screw extractor kit" is a good start. I'm sure they have them at all the hardware stores too if you don't want to wait for Amazon. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on April 11, 2019, 10:53:12 AM
Yes, if you can't get some needle-nose pliers onto the edges of the screw and twist it out that way, then you're going to need to use one of those screw extractor kits.  They work pretty well, but the smaller the screw, the smaller the extractor you'll need, and there's a certain point where there's just not enough metal left to insert and grip.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 11, 2019, 11:04:42 AM
Between the end of 1945 and July 1946, Hungary went through the worst inflation ever recorded. In 1944, the highest denomination[clarification needed (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Please_clarify)] was 1,000 pengő (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_peng%C5%91). By the end of 1945, it was 10,000,000 pengő. The highest denomination in mid-1946 was 100,000,000,000,000,000,000 (1020) pengő. A special currency, the adópengő – or tax pengő – was created for tax and postal payments.[40] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperinflation#cite_note-41) The value of the adópengő was adjusted each day, by radio announcement. On 1 January 1946 one adópengő equaled one pengő. By late July, one adópengő equaled 2,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 or 2×1021 (2 sextillion (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sextillion)) pengő. When the pengő was replaced in August 1946 by the forint (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forint), the total value of all Hungarian banknotes in circulation amounted to 1/1,000 of one US dollar.[41] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperinflation#cite_note-42) This is the most severe known incident of inflation recorded, peaking at 1.3 × 1016 percent per month (prices double every 15 hours).[42] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperinflation#cite_note-zwdinf-43) The overall impact of hyperinflation: On 18 August 1946, 400,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 or 4×1029 (four hundred quadrilliard (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadrilliard) on the long scale (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_scale) used in Hungary; four hundred octillion (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octillion) on short scale (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_scale)) pengő became 1 forint.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on April 11, 2019, 11:09:40 AM
Yes, if you can't get some needle-nose pliers onto the edges of the screw and twist it out that way, then you're going to need to use one of those screw extractor kits.  They work pretty well, but the smaller the screw, the smaller the extractor you'll need, and there's a certain point where there's just not enough metal left to insert and grip.
can always just drill it out and replace with a nut & bolt
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on April 11, 2019, 11:12:21 AM
I am starting to struggle just a bit getting into the GTI, which apparently is 0.4" lower than the usual Golf.  I've been working out and stretching, and it's starting to be a chore.  Getting into a car like a Corvette at my age starts to be a real chore.  I can see why folks like SUVs (some, I hate'em personally).

Guys my age like to buy that flashy car they dreamed about all their lives, which is fine, but it starts to be impractical.  I know one can pick up a used nice Corvette for quite the discount.
Derned C8 Vette needs to hit the dealerships so guys will trade up to the mid-engine and flood the market with used Vettes
driving down the price of my C6
SUVs are simply glorified miniVans - hate em
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on April 11, 2019, 11:16:23 AM
Another one. I was trying to adjust the wheels on the screen door where we live and one of the screw heads is stripped. Anyone have a suggestion on removing this screw so I can replace it? Problem is it's recessed and I can't get at it with anything I have on hand. Is there a bit I can buy that will do the deed? Ugh.
eff drilling it out or anything else complicated... it's just a screen door.  super glue on the allen key head, a few seconds set time, take it out. 
if you're working with machinery of any kind, yeah- you'd need to drill it out or use an extractor as not to screw up the device.... but... it's a screen door.  super glue is your friend.  just replace it, or, after adjusting it set it back in place with it still glued to the key... and break the key off (the glue will break before anything else).  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 11, 2019, 11:17:02 AM
can always just drill it out and replace with a nut & bolt
That won't work here. If I could get at it, I could do that. But I can't get at it.
Thanks guys. I'll look at the extractor bit.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 11, 2019, 11:18:20 AM
eff drilling it out or anything else complicated... it's just a screen door.  super glue on the allen key head, a few seconds set time, take it out.
if you're working with machinery of any kind, yeah- you'd need to drill it out or use an extractor as not to screw up the device.... but... it's a screen door.  super glue is your friend.  just replace it, or, after adjusting it set it back in place with it still glued to the key... and break the key off (the glue will break before anything else).  
This I like. So I just waste an allen key?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on April 11, 2019, 11:29:12 AM
Derned C8 Vette needs to hit the dealerships so guys will trade up to the mid-engine and flood the market with used Vettes
driving down the price of my C6
SUVs are simply glorified miniVans - hate em
Large SUVs are built on truck chassis not car chassis, so they're great for towing while a minivan is not.
I actually prefer my SUV over my pickup for towing, it's better suited for hauling the type of gear I need than a pickup, and it's also better on a slick boat ramp.  Unfortunately modern SUVs are trending lower on towing capacity rather than increasing. There's no longer a 3/4 ton SUV on the market so around 9,000 lbs is the max towing you can get anymore.  Which is why I had to get a pickup for the new RV.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on April 11, 2019, 11:31:57 AM
eff drilling it out or anything else complicated... it's just a screen door.  super glue on the allen key head, a few seconds set time, take it out.
if you're working with machinery of any kind, yeah- you'd need to drill it out or use an extractor as not to screw up the device.... but... it's a screen door.  super glue is your friend.  just replace it, or, after adjusting it set it back in place with it still glued to the key... and break the key off (the glue will break before anything else).  
Sounds way more complicated than using the extractor bit which is designed specifically for this purpose, but whatever floats your boat.  :)
I have multiple sets of extractors, if I didn't I guess I might consider a different way?  But it's not like extractor sets are expensive...
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on April 11, 2019, 11:34:30 AM
or you use acetone and let it set in it for a bit, and remove the softened glue with a paper towel... your wife will wonder why you have an allen key in her fingernail polish remover, but you can tell her it's Drew's Fault. 
(https://scontent.fphl2-3.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/4986_105186293754_1197081_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ht=scontent.fphl2-3.fna&oh=c9f873909280c9c818ffb3254be4ad51&oe=5D445B5B) 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on April 11, 2019, 11:35:58 AM
Between the end of 1945 and July 1946, Hungary went through the worst inflation ever recorded. 
CD where did that come from?We went from nitrogen filled tires and screw extraction to horrible Hungarian mid '40's inflation  :017:.There wasn't even an attempt to disguise that thread hi-jack   :bluegrab:
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on April 11, 2019, 11:39:10 AM
but you can tell her it's Drew's Fault.
Thanx,that'll be like American Express - I won't leave home w/o it
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 11, 2019, 01:23:08 PM
So the wife's car has nitrogen in the tires. Can you switch back to regular air?
Badger started talking about inflation before I did, so my post is NOT a diversion out of the blue, at all.
I resemble that remark as I am well known for not ever mostly diverting typical threads usually into other areas for the most part.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 11, 2019, 01:49:58 PM
This is already a long offseason...
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 11, 2019, 01:52:02 PM
There has been some news of course, some future scheduling of note, but I suppose it's typical, and not inflated.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 11, 2019, 06:48:36 PM
https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/future-cars/a27118564/mid-engine-corvette-debut-date/?fbclid=IwAR3pYKavfYyMvUUyCfHI7JIsxJbsrh2P8w7YQdW2Z3zpYFY3Ifal9FrISmk (https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/future-cars/a27118564/mid-engine-corvette-debut-date/?fbclid=IwAR3pYKavfYyMvUUyCfHI7JIsxJbsrh2P8w7YQdW2Z3zpYFY3Ifal9FrISmk)

For any 'Vette fans here, debut in July apparently.

The origins of the name relate to a British destroyer escort, called by them a corvette, an underpowered small destroyer meant to be built quickly to help escort convoys across the Atlantic against U-boats (also known as Porsches).  The very first Vette had a 6 cylinder engine and 2-speed automatic transmission, in keeping with that theme.

Then it began following to some extent the development of Jaguar XKs, adding disc brakes, fuel injection, etc., but retaining "cubic inches" for American use.  The 1963 split window Corvette is among the most prized versions.  

https://www.legendarymotorcar.com/inventory/1963-chevrolet-corvette-coupe-split-window-1563.aspx (https://www.legendarymotorcar.com/inventory/1963-chevrolet-corvette-coupe-split-window-1563.aspx)

The switch to a midengine is Big News among 'Vette fans of course, though the engine was always positioned rather behind the front axle anyway, and had a transaxle for decades.  Putting the mass nearer the center of gravity has significant performance advantages of course.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on April 11, 2019, 07:06:58 PM
eff drilling it out or anything else complicated... it's just a screen door.  super glue on the allen key head, a few seconds set time, take it out.
if you're working with machinery of any kind, yeah- you'd need to drill it out or use an extractor as not to screw up the device.... but... it's a screen door.  super glue is your friend.  just replace it, or, after adjusting it set it back in place with it still glued to the key... and break the key off (the glue will break before anything else).
You can get super-glue debonder at any good hobby shop.  It will likely be called "CA-debonder."  CA is cyanoacrylate (or something like that), and that is super glue.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 11, 2019, 07:11:47 PM
Superglue is indeed a cyanoacrylate (CA).

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on April 11, 2019, 07:12:09 PM
I'm a big fan as you know.  My birthday is in July, so that would work if anyone was wondering.

With the current ZR1 already challenging track lap times of the world's greatest cars, it will be interesting if the C8 can improve much on that in it's original version.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 11, 2019, 07:33:15 PM
That '63 would accomplish one thing for me. Another back surgery.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 11, 2019, 07:40:18 PM
The C8 ZR1 version which will come later is rumored to have 1000 horsepower.  If anywhere near that, it will be a supercar with the appropriate tires.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on April 11, 2019, 08:10:01 PM
Large SUVs are built on truck chassis not car chassis, so they're great for towing while a minivan is not.
I actually prefer my SUV over my pickup for towing, it's better suited for hauling the type of gear I need than a pickup, and it's also better on a slick boat ramp.  Unfortunately modern SUVs are trending lower on towing capacity rather than increasing. There's no longer a 3/4 ton SUV on the market so around 9,000 lbs is the max towing you can get anymore.  Which is why I had to get a pickup for the new RV.
Dude, we've had this conversation.
if it's on  truck chassis with a V8, it's cool
it's a truck
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CatsbyAZ on April 11, 2019, 08:12:00 PM
Sad story - former Notre Dame RB Cierre Wood charged in death of son:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/deadspin.com/former-notre-dame-running-back-cierre-wood-charged-with-1833977267/amp (https://www.google.com/amp/s/deadspin.com/former-notre-dame-running-back-cierre-wood-charged-with-1833977267/amp)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on April 11, 2019, 08:23:04 PM
vettes have always been known for their power

will they get the suspension/handling right?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 12, 2019, 07:41:40 AM
The current Vettes have rather amazing handling, especially the Grand Sport, which is only one rung up the ladder.  Where they look cheap is with the switches and interior finishes.

The midengine should help handling even further.  The polar moment of inertia will be lower.  They may have a rearward center of gravity, which can produce tricky handling, but they can dial that out with computers now (Porsche).  The base C8 Corvettes will have somewhere around 460 hp apparently, folks are guessing, which is what the current engine produces.

It interesting that the Chevy engines of this type still use pushrods, though the C8 top engine is rumored to be twin cam (DOHC).  The pushrod design is easier to package because it is not as tall.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on April 12, 2019, 07:44:58 AM
Dude, we've had this conversation.
if it's on  truck chassis with a V8, it's cool
it's a truck
Well, if it's not on a truck chassis then I don't consider it an SUV at all.  It's just a station wagon.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 12, 2019, 08:15:34 AM
Yeah, SUVs used to ALL be on truck chassis, so far as I can recollect.  People with trucks put caps on the back and the automakers saw a market, not THIS market.

Then minivans became unfashionable, so they took FWD car chassis and put SUV-looking bodies on them and viola, a HUGE market.  Then "mini-utes" appeared, also station wagons raised a bit and given AWD sometimes.  I had minivans for 20 years and they are very capable for their purpose.  They don't tow, but they have a lot of volume inside and get OK mpgs.  They don't "look" cool apparently.  I didn't care.  My first was a Dodge Caravan with a very anemic 4 cylinder engine and 5 speed manual transmission.  I had to plan ahead to merge onto freeways.  I think we still had a 55 mph speed limit at that time.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 12, 2019, 08:29:56 AM
I'm telling my wife that she drives a station wagon. That will be interesting.




22 years today. Maybe I'll wait 'til tomorrow with the 'wagon thing.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 12, 2019, 08:33:55 AM
Styling sells cars, along with gadgets.  Few buyers are interested in anything mechanical beyond illusions that some makes are more reliable than others.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 12, 2019, 08:45:14 AM
https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a20730890/2020-chevrolet-mid-engine-corvette-c8/ (https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a20730890/2020-chevrolet-mid-engine-corvette-c8/)

That engine bay will also eventually host even more compelling mills. The first to follow the LT1 will be a naturally aspirated 5.5-liter DOHC V-8 with a flat-plane crankshaft capable of a Ferrari 458–like maximum engine speed of 9000 rpm. Sympathy for the transaxle, though, means the engine speed will be limited to several hundred rpm below that. That engine should be good for at least 600 horsepower.
Then, because it is totally unnecessary, Chevy will bolt two turbochargers and two big air-to-water intercoolers to the 5.5-liter V-8. The turbo engine will make about 800 owner-maiming horsepower. 
But hang on: What if we told you that within a couple of years Chevy would add a 200-hp electric motor to the mix? The twin-turbo 5.5-liter V-8 will abuse the rear tires while the electric motor, housed in what would typically be a front trunk, will energize the fronts. That’s right: This mid-engined/front-motor Corvette will have a horsepower rating at or near the four-digit mark.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on April 12, 2019, 01:18:40 PM
Right now my i s c & a aggie wife is looking for a new car.  She's torn between another convertible, an SUV, or maybe even a Jeep.

She really loves her convertible but would prefer a retractable hard top over a ragtop, which has us looking at the BMW 4-series convertibles.

She also likes the Toyota 4Runner as a potential SUV-- I'd be cool with that, since it has an optional 3rd row, is available in 4WD, has decent towing (it could pull my boat but not my RV),  and I think it's even built on a truck chassis though I haven't investigated that one.

The Jeep is the least practical overall, but man they're fun.  My brother has a really cool one and I've been jealous ever since he bought it!
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on April 12, 2019, 01:54:26 PM
Well, if it's not on a truck chassis then I don't consider it an SUV at all.  It's just a station wagon.
I just call them minivans
it's the most derogatory thing I can come up with
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 12, 2019, 02:20:12 PM
My wife was never a vanimal (her term). When we needed it, she drove a Tahoe.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 12, 2019, 03:45:54 PM
Yeah, SUVs used to ALL be on truck chassis, so far as I can recollect.  People with trucks put caps on the back and the automakers saw a market, not THIS market.

Then minivans became unfashionable, so they took FWD car chassis and put SUV-looking bodies on them and viola, a HUGE market.  Then "mini-utes" appeared, also station wagons raised a bit and given AWD sometimes.  I had minivans for 20 years and they are very capable for their purpose.  They don't tow, but they have a lot of volume inside and get OK mpgs.  They don't "look" cool apparently.  I didn't care.  My first was a Dodge Caravan with a very anemic 4 cylinder engine and 5 speed manual transmission.  I had to plan ahead to merge onto freeways.  I think we still had a 55 mph speed limit at that time.
The interesting part about this is if you go back a bit further to the invention of the minivan. 
Vans, like the original SUVs, were built on truck chassis. They were big, bulky, rode high, with truck engines and RWD. The "mini" van just took a basic van body and put it on a FWD car chassis. It made the ride smoother, the COG lower, the handling better, etc. For all the people who didn't want station wagons, the "minivan" became the new thing. 
SUVs were around, of course, but not all that popular yet. When people decided minivans were uncool, everyone started jumping into SUVs. They had all the same problems as full-size vans though. High COG. Rides like a truck. Terrible gas mileage. So the "crossover" was invented--an SUV-like body on a FWD car chassis. In all honesty it got rid of most of the "utility" of the SUV, but it kept the "cool" styling.
And now I've got a Ford Flex. Which is basically a big station wagon, but my wife always chides me when I call it a station wagon, because station wagons are uncool. 
So we've come full circle. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 12, 2019, 03:47:26 PM
I'm gonna stick with the sedans.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on April 12, 2019, 04:07:20 PM
We just got rid of our 13-year Odyssey. That was a great car for its purpose: carting kids and gear. We still have the kids, but our needs have changed a bit.

Personally, I didn't every go in for the SUV over the minivan. But cars are big capital expenditures, so you might as well like what you drive. All that said, the prevalence of SUVs rather than minivans is not good for the overall fuel economy of the U.S. fleet. That's something I object to, but I'm swimming upstream.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 12, 2019, 04:07:33 PM
I had sedans after the minivan era.  They felt like they handled on rails, both were CTS'.  The wife thought it was just too big for city traffic, and we both like manual transmissions.  So, we had the last one, which was a beautiful car we thought, for only four years.

Oddly enough, my main complaint about the CTS was that it had a fairly harsh ride.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 12, 2019, 04:33:40 PM
Personally, I didn't every go in for the SUV over the minivan. But cars are big capital expenditures, so you might as well like what you drive. All that said, the prevalence of SUVs rather than minivans is not good for the overall fuel economy of the U.S. fleet. That's something I object to, but I'm swimming upstream.
Well, fleet economy standards and high fuel costs are two of the reasons that CUVs [crossover utility vehicles] have replaced SUVs to a large extent. 
Most of the "SUVs" you see today are CUVs. An SUV is a body-on-frame truck. A CUV is a unibody car. 
Like my wife's RX350. It looks like an SUV. People think of it as an SUV. It's got a tall roofline and a big cargo area.
It's built on the Toyota Camry platform. It's a car with a big body. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Mdot21 on April 12, 2019, 04:34:26 PM
The C8 ZR1 version which will come later is rumored to have 1000 horsepower.  If anywhere near that, it will be a supercar with the appropriate tires.
kinda crazy to me how GM/Chrysler are producing cars for $70k-100k with 1000 hp that put up track times that rival the times put up by the Euro super cars that cost $300k+.
I wonder if Cadillac and Lincoln will ever be able to regain their status as premier luxury brands in the US. They produced too much garbage throughout the 80s, 90s, and early 2000s while Mercedes, BMW, Lexus, and Audi just completely overtook their market shares. And now Telsa is eating into it as well with 9% US market share in luxury vehicles- which is much higher than Lincoln or Cadillac- and really the only thing stopping Tesla from having even more of that market share is their production capabilities- they can't produce enough to meet demand. And also the infrastructure for EV charging stations really isn't where it needs to be yet. When or if Tesla can actually produce enough to meet demand in a timely manner and if/when EV charging stations become just as common as gas stations- Tesla could probably have double that Luxury market share.
The only Cadillac I think is any nice is the Escalade. Their  That's a beautiful truck. Lincoln hit it out of the park with the new Navigator and the new Continental. Much like Cadillac, their other offerings leave a lot to be desired.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 12, 2019, 04:46:09 PM
I had a 2005 Cadillac CTS and bought another in 2014, so I guess I liked them.  The Escalade with just a Chevrolet with fancier trim.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 12, 2019, 05:42:36 PM
And now Telsa is eating into it as well with 9% US market share in luxury vehicles- which is much higher than Lincoln or Cadillac- and really the only thing stopping Tesla from having even more of that market share is their production capabilities- they can't produce enough to meet demand. And also the infrastructure for EV charging stations really isn't where it needs to be yet. When or if Tesla can actually produce enough to meet demand in a timely manner and if/when EV charging stations become just as common as gas stations- Tesla could probably have double that Luxury market share.
Not sure Tesla is in good shape right now... I think their problem is not producing enough to meet demand, as I think demand is in trouble because most people who want [and can afford] a Tesla already have one, and their ability to produce the $35K model at a profit is highly questionable.
They're flailing like a fish on the pier right now, and I'm not sure they're going to find water again.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Mdot21 on April 12, 2019, 06:47:44 PM
Not sure Tesla is in good shape right now... I think their problem is not producing enough to meet demand, as I think demand is in trouble because most people who want [and can afford] a Tesla already have one, and their ability to produce the $35K model at a profit is highly questionable.
They're flailing like a fish on the pier right now, and I'm not sure they're going to find water again.
That isn't exactly true. Demand for their Model S and X were at all-time highs last year. Tesla had explosive growth in car sales last year- and that was even with all of their production problems. The company has been plagued with production problems since it's inception. Tesla also has by far the highest customer retention rate of any car brand in the world. It's not even remotely close. When people want to replace their Tesla or replace their 2nd car for the wife/significant other they do so with a new Tesla more than 80% of the time.
The 35k model was always just a fantasy. It was just a marketing ploy. The $35k was suppose to be the base model with 0 options and with the $7,500 tax credit. Those tax credits got halved in the blink of an eye and are slated to completely disappear, and they were selling $50,000+ Model 3's for the most part.
I would not bet against Tesla. People try to think of them as just another car company. They are not. They make products that people actually love and want to buy. Other car companies do not. People don't want to buy EV's. They want to buy a Tesla. There's a huge difference. At the end of the day it always comes down to the product and the customer service- they are top notch in both department. When Ford or GM or Chrysler announce a new car- almost no one gives a shit. They sure as hell aren't getting 500,000 pre-orders willing to shell out $1,000 every time they announce a new car model with all those 500,000 people knowing full well their car is never going to delivered on time- and they still shell out the money and for the most part the vast majority wait it out for their car and take the delivery delays.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MichiFan87 on April 12, 2019, 07:53:28 PM
Tesla has a supply problem, not a demand one. EVs will continue to get cheaper, too, with the batteries*, and then demand for EVs as a whole will continue to grow. In fact, this week it was reported that the federal government is considering extending the EV tax credit past 200k vehicles + 15 more months of sales per manufacturer, which Tesla has already exceeded, up to 400k.

*I've said this before, but their battery business is going to be more profitable long-term, especially for utility-scale systems compared to their residential scale powerwalls.

Putting aside Musk's twitter antics that could get the company in trouble, the big questions are what happens when other automakers increase their market share in EVs, and how will autonomous vehicles affect them (they seem to be more prepared for it with their own self-driving technology and supposedly developing a car-sharing platform, but it remains to be seen how that gets implemented).
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Mdot21 on April 12, 2019, 08:30:02 PM
Tesla has a supply problem, not a demand one. EVs will continue to get cheaper, too, with the batteries*, and then demand for EVs as a whole will continue to grow. In fact, this week it was reported that the federal government is considering extending the EV tax credit past 200k vehicles + 15 more months of sales per manufacturer, which Tesla has already exceeded, up to 400k.

*I've said this before, but their battery business is going to be more profitable long-term, especially for utility-scale systems compared to their residential scale powerwalls.

Putting aside Musk's twitter antics that could get the company in trouble, the big questions are what happens when other automakers increase their market share in EVs, and how will autonomous vehicles affect them (they seem to be more prepared for it with their own self-driving technology and supposedly developing a car-sharing platform, but it remains to be seen how that gets implemented).
A lot of people assumed that the Model 3 would cannibalize their Model S and X sales, but the opposite thing actually happened. People went to Tesla showrooms to check out the 3 and wound up buying the S and X. They had huge spikes in demand for the Model S and X and couldn't produce enough to meet said demand. Tesla actually had back to back QTRs last year when they were profitable- first time ever in their 15 year history with back-to-back profitable QTRs.
I'd guess that the other car companies moving to EVs only could actually only help Tesla sell more cars. If all the other car companies are only selling EVs and the charging infrastructure has to get pushed forward and gas stations get converted to charge stations and the people who were holding out on EVs have to start buying them, well then that's just a bigger market place for Tesla to come in and snag those customers.
And fully autonomous driving is still a ways off, much further than people think, and I don't buy the ride-sharing hype train for a second. Lyft and Uber are money losing scams.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 12, 2019, 09:46:40 PM
I had a 2005 Cadillac CTS and bought another in 2014, so I guess I liked them.  The Escalade with just a Chevrolet with fancier trim.
Mrs. 847 liked the bling on the Caddy. Then I told her that the Tahoe would maybe get her another diamond ring and an earing and it was all good. The Tahoe is gone but the bling still stands. And, I'm done. She has no more fingers and no more ears.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on April 13, 2019, 01:46:41 AM
Not sure Tesla is in good shape right now... 
According to Clark Howard consumer advocate they are not
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 13, 2019, 07:53:51 AM
Just looked it up and found that the wife's GLK station wagon is based on the C Class. Interesting. It's got a similar (same?)  engine to the one in my E, so it moves pretty good. 



Anyway, it's now called the GLC, which lines it up with the C Class. The GLE lines up with the E Class. GLS.. I get it now.



I'm NOT going to tell her she has a C Class, especially if I go out and get an S. Heh. But station wagon? Yep, I'm telling her that.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 13, 2019, 08:06:01 AM
I got to be quasi-buddies with a salesman at the Caddy dealer in Cincy where we bought our 2014.  I'd stop by when I was in for an oil change and we'd chat.  He told me they sold every Escalade at list about as soon as they hit the floor.  He had one in stock, on the showroom floor, listing at $95 K.  He said it would be gone that day, mostly sold to women living in Indian Hill.  I took a look at it, it certainly has "features" galore, but the thing is a Chevy Tahoe.  Supposedly Caddy is working on a new one that will be unique, or more unique.

Cadillac makes almost all their profit on them, and the smaller SUVs (which are also Chevy clones).  I had one of them as a loaner and did not like it at all.  The wife liked sitting up higher, that is a big deal for the ladies apparently.  You sit pretty high in a minivan also.  So, longer term, Caddy is bringing out more SUVs and electric vehicles and  cutting way down on sedans, which makes sense financially, other than the EVs which still don't make a profit.

Tesla is about to face some high end competition from folks like Volvo and Audi and others who can deliver on promises and turn out enough vehicles to fill the pipelines.  I have thought of pricier EVs as being mostly choices for "early adopters" with money (and that $7500 tax credit).  There are only so many of them around.  We MIGHT end up with a surfeit of EVs at varying price points and few customers.  The industry is pushing this hard right now.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 13, 2019, 08:24:03 AM
I'm finding myself looking at GLE's this morning for the wife, even though we just upgraded her GLK to a newer one last year. Need a trailer hitch, which is hard to find (and what we have) so we can use the bike rack, and tow the WaveRunner twice a year.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 13, 2019, 08:37:09 AM
I can't keep all the terms straight on cars.  BMW has been fairly consistent with their numerical series, though a 3 series today is the size of a 5 series 20 years ago.

I used to read most of the car mags each month.  I can get most of them on line for free now and no clutter.  I have zero magazine or newspaper subscriptions today.  I imagine many of us are the same.  I can recall in the distant past taking SI and NG and enough magazines to fill boxes with clutter.  Sometimes I walk up to the local Schwab office and chat with Dan and read their WSJ, or at least look through it a bit.

The times are achangin'.

The Dogwood Festival started yesterday, so we went early to avoid the crowds and the wife found a $500 clock she really really had to have.  Now I have to hang it somewhere.  I asked her where she would put it before we bought it and she said  "I'll find room".

I like seeing what some of the artists do at the show and I can view for free of course, but one inevitably ends up buying an overpriced something at a booth.  The mixed drinks are all $10 each and beer is $7 each.  I got neither.  This is a rather large festival thing.  I guess it's all good, but I'm out $500, for a clock.

(https://dogwood.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/ADF2019_MapHome.jpg)

The Atlanta Dogwood Festival includes one of the largest and most diverse juried arts festivals in the country. More than 260 artists from around the country exhibit in 12 categories, including painting, glass, clay, wood and mixed media. Some of the country’s top painters, photographers, sculptors, leather and metal craftsmen, glass blowers and more participate in the Atlanta Dogwood Festival Artist Market. In 2018, the Artist Market was ranked #23, out of the Top 200 Best Art Shows in the Country by Sunshine Artist Magazine (https://www.sunshineartist.com/) and #42 of Best Fine Arts Shows from Art Fair Source Book (https://artfairsourcebook.com/).
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 13, 2019, 08:43:22 AM
Looks like fun. Still winter here.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 13, 2019, 08:51:10 AM
It is kinda fun, at least on Friday.  Today and tomorrow will be a mass of people.  Yesterday was partly sunny with clouds enough not to be that hot.  I got sweaty toting that clock back to the condo.  It's bulky, not heavy.  I'm delighted to be in better weather than Cincy.  

I think our lowest T in winter was 23°F and the highest last summer was 93°F, for one day.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 13, 2019, 11:40:14 AM
Jeep day today. Rolling down to an outlet mall as I need new athletic shoes, then homebrew store and a brewery (or two). 

Lamb burgers on the menu tonight. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Mdot21 on April 13, 2019, 03:47:02 PM
I got to be quasi-buddies with a salesman at the Caddy dealer in Cincy where we bought our 2014.  I'd stop by when I was in for an oil change and we'd chat.  He told me they sold every Escalade at list about as soon as they hit the floor.  He had one in stock, on the showroom floor, listing at $95 K.  He said it would be gone that day, mostly sold to women living in Indian Hill.  I took a look at it, it certainly has "features" galore, but the thing is a Chevy Tahoe.  Supposedly Caddy is working on a new one that will be unique, or more unique.

Cadillac makes almost all their profit on them, and the smaller SUVs (which are also Chevy clones).  I had one of them as a loaner and did not like it at all.  The wife liked sitting up higher, that is a big deal for the ladies apparently.  You sit pretty high in a minivan also.  So, longer term, Caddy is bringing out more SUVs and electric vehicles and  cutting way down on sedans, which makes sense financially, other than the EVs which still don't make a profit.

Tesla is about to face some high end competition from folks like Volvo and Audi and others who can deliver on promises and turn out enough vehicles to fill the pipelines.  I have thought of pricier EVs as being mostly choices for "early adopters" with money (and that $7500 tax credit).  There are only so many of them around.  We MIGHT end up with a surfeit of EVs at varying price points and few customers.  The industry is pushing this hard right now.
The Escalade is the only Caddillac I like. That thing is gorgeous. I do see what you're saying in terms of it being a clone of the Tahoe though. Easy to see why they make huge profit of them- they sell that truck for $100k. I remember when it first came out in 2000 and a fully loaded one was 55k at most. Essentially doubled in price. And it's a choice ride for rappers, athletes, mobsters, drug dealers, and rich soccer moms.
As for Tesla, I just don't buy that Tesla is going to face any real competition from Volvo or Audi or Porsche or anyone really. Not any time soon. This is a myth that the Musk haters and Tesla bears have been perpetuating for 10 years straight now, and it wasn't true then and it isn't true now. It's like the boy who cried wolf. They keep saying it, but nothing happens. Why? Because: batteries.
Tesla is light years ahead of everyone there. Tesla pays far less for it's batteries than any of their competitors and their battery powered electric motors far out-perform every single one of their competitors. Tesla's batteries right now are getting 4.1 miles per KW/h. It's competitors are getting 2.3 miles per KW/h on a good day. Almost 2 to 1 in range. Tesla batteries are far superior. They are more powerful, have more range, are 50% lighter, use less cobalt and therefore are at least 25-30% cheaper than their competitors. Tesla's battery costs will only continue to drop year over year as they scale production at their Gigafacory battery plants. 10 years ago the batteries were costing Tesla $300 per kw/h, now it's down to $111 and will soon be below $100. Tesla is the largest producer of batteries in the fricken world. None of their competitors can come close to the performance and the cost. Not for years, not yet.
There were articles in the German press from not even a month or so ago, where Audi/Porsche engineers did tear downs of the Model 3 and they basically shit their pants in fear because they realized their EV platform sucked compared to Tesla and they were at least 3-5 years behind and they had to go back to the drawing board and re-design a whole bunch of shit to get their PPE platform even remotely close to what Tesla did with the model 3.
Tesla by the way- is breaking ground on their China factory in Shanghai this year. China is the largest auto market in the entire world. China is also the largest EV market in the world with about half of all EVs in the world. And China is also mandating that all new autos be EV by 2030. Tesla is opening up a battery and vehicle production factory in China which will just bring the costs of their batteries down even more and help them sell more cars in the largest auto and largest EV market in the entire world. Tesla's business in China by the way will be the first wholly foreign owned auto business in the history of China. GM/VW/Ford- they all had to give China a 50% or more taste in their businesses in China. China is pushing so hard for EV's, they relaxed the rules forcing a state owned joint venture- and are letting Tesla own the entire business 100% and helped Telsa secure $550 million in Chinese loans to build the factory.
Tesla's costs on the batteries keep going down and the performance keeps improving. They have a massive head start on their competitors and that China deal is HUGE for them. They can own China and keep all that money and tech for themselves. The biggest mistake so many American companies did was whore themselves out to China and let China not only take half the profits, but get all their tech. These short sighted morons were so hard on for a quick buck and to boost stock prices they signed their own death warrants by handing all of their tech over to the Chinese.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 13, 2019, 03:50:47 PM
Give me an MB GLS over an Escalade any day of the week. For $100K I could get a 2 year old, low-mile GLS AMG with unlimited mile warrantee for 7 years, on a CPO deal. Not that I would, but still.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 13, 2019, 04:32:23 PM
https://insideevs.com/tesla-model-3-2170-energy-density-compared-bolt-p100d/ (https://insideevs.com/tesla-model-3-2170-energy-density-compared-bolt-p100d/)

TeslaModel 3 / Panasonic 2170 cell
We have usable energy density numbers from 78.3 kWh’s at the high end, down to 72 kWh’s on the low end. We used 76 kWh’s in our calculation based on Ingineer and Jack Rickard. There are 4416 cells in the Model 3 LR pack, so that puts the usable energy density of one 2170 cell at 17.2 watt hours and the energy density equal to 76/4416/.070=
246 watt-hours/kg
The Volume of one 2170 cell is .0242 liters (21mmX 70mm cylinder), resulting in a usable energy density by volume of:
711 watt-hours/liter

BoltEV
How do these number stack up against the Chevrolet Bolt EV (https://insideevs.com/tag/chevrolet-bolt-ev/)?
According to JeffN over at Electricrevs, the usable energy of the Bolt EV pack is 57 kWh’s (ref (https://electricrevs.com/2018/03/29/gm-explains-57-vs-60-kwh-bolt-ev-battery-ratings/)). This is the number that is stamped on the inside of the pack by GM. In practice, Bolt EV owners seem to be getting this number, some maybe 58-59 kWh’s (ref (https://electricrevs.com/2018/03/29/gm-explains-57-vs-60-kwh-bolt-ev-battery-ratings/)). We will use 57 kWh’s in our calculation. There are 288 cells in the Bolt EV pack, so that puts the usable kWh’s of one cell at 198 watt hours.
The weight of one Bolt EV cell is an estimate. The closest we have is from a couple of Chinese cell specs for a cell that is supposedly a Bolt EV cell= 820-850 grams (ref (https://electricrevs.com/2018/03/29/gm-explains-57-vs-60-kwh-bolt-ev-battery-ratings/)).
We will use the median number in our calcs= 835grams. Giving the usable energy density of one Bolt EV cell=198/.835=
237 watt hours/kg
So, the Bolt EV gravimetric (weight) energy density is less than Tesla’s 2170 by around 4%. Not a bad showing in our opinion. Especially since Bolt EV owners seem to be exceeding GM’s rated pack minimum energy and Tesla Model 3 owners are not. Considering that, we could almost call it a draw on the Bolt EV versus Tesla 2170 energy density by weight.
The volume of one Bolt EV cell is also an estimate. We will use dimensions of 270mmX100X 16.5=.446 liters (electricrevs ref (https://electricrevs.com/2018/03/09/jaguar-and-chevy-have-lg-in-common/)). This may be an optimistic number. We can also calculate it from John Kelley’s video. He measured the width, height, and depth of module 1 and 10 in his Bolt EV battery reassembly video (ref (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBzRKglr95U)@44:00:00) There are 60 cells in those two modules. So, dividing by 60 we get the dimensions of one Bolt EV cell as 16mmX 108X343= .592 liters (vs the .446 liters we used in our calcs). However, the 343mm length number includes a circuit board, so these volume numbers may be a bit high. We would have to subtract some for the circuit board. JeffN says he knows of someone with a disassembled Bolt pack and may provide us with an update on both weight and volume later.
That puts the volumetric energy density of one Bolt EV cell at 198 /.446=
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on April 13, 2019, 05:27:15 PM
Masters going with a  9am EST start Sunday to combat the afternoon Storms.    Lots of low scores today.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Mdot21 on April 13, 2019, 05:52:26 PM
https://insideevs.com/tesla-model-3-2170-energy-density-compared-bolt-p100d/ (https://insideevs.com/tesla-model-3-2170-energy-density-compared-bolt-p100d/)

TeslaModel 3 / Panasonic 2170 cell
We have usable energy density numbers from 78.3 kWh’s at the high end, down to 72 kWh’s on the low end. We used 76 kWh’s in our calculation based on Ingineer and Jack Rickard. There are 4416 cells in the Model 3 LR pack, so that puts the usable energy density of one 2170 cell at 17.2 watt hours and the energy density equal to 76/4416/.070=
246 watt-hours/kg
The Volume of one 2170 cell is .0242 liters (21mmX 70mm cylinder), resulting in a usable energy density by volume of:
711 watt-hours/liter

BoltEV
How do these number stack up against the Chevrolet Bolt EV (https://insideevs.com/tag/chevrolet-bolt-ev/)?
According to JeffN over at Electricrevs, the usable energy of the Bolt EV pack is 57 kWh’s (ref (https://electricrevs.com/2018/03/29/gm-explains-57-vs-60-kwh-bolt-ev-battery-ratings/)). This is the number that is stamped on the inside of the pack by GM. In practice, Bolt EV owners seem to be getting this number, some maybe 58-59 kWh’s (ref (https://electricrevs.com/2018/03/29/gm-explains-57-vs-60-kwh-bolt-ev-battery-ratings/)). We will use 57 kWh’s in our calculation. There are 288 cells in the Bolt EV pack, so that puts the usable kWh’s of one cell at 198 watt hours.
The weight of one Bolt EV cell is an estimate. The closest we have is from a couple of Chinese cell specs for a cell that is supposedly a Bolt EV cell= 820-850 grams (ref (https://electricrevs.com/2018/03/29/gm-explains-57-vs-60-kwh-bolt-ev-battery-ratings/)).
We will use the median number in our calcs= 835grams. Giving the usable energy density of one Bolt EV cell=198/.835=
237 watt hours/kg
So, the Bolt EV gravimetric (weight) energy density is less than Tesla’s 2170 by around 4%. Not a bad showing in our opinion. Especially since Bolt EV owners seem to be exceeding GM’s rated pack minimum energy and Tesla Model 3 owners are not. Considering that, we could almost call it a draw on the Bolt EV versus Tesla 2170 energy density by weight.
The volume of one Bolt EV cell is also an estimate. We will use dimensions of 270mmX100X 16.5=.446 liters (electricrevs ref (https://electricrevs.com/2018/03/09/jaguar-and-chevy-have-lg-in-common/)). This may be an optimistic number. We can also calculate it from John Kelley’s video. He measured the width, height, and depth of module 1 and 10 in his Bolt EV battery reassembly video (ref (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBzRKglr95U)@44:00:00) There are 60 cells in those two modules. So, dividing by 60 we get the dimensions of one Bolt EV cell as 16mmX 108X343= .592 liters (vs the .446 liters we used in our calcs). However, the 343mm length number includes a circuit board, so these volume numbers may be a bit high. We would have to subtract some for the circuit board. JeffN says he knows of someone with a disassembled Bolt pack and may provide us with an update on both weight and volume later.
That puts the volumetric energy density of one Bolt EV cell at 198 /.446=
GM/Bolt isn't a Tesla competitor. Porsche, Audi, BMW, WV, MB will be their competition in the EV space. Nobody wanted to buy that ugly piece of shit Bolt. Tesla sold more Model 3's last month in Norway alone than GM sold Bolt's and Volt's combined in their entire 1st QTR of this year around the entire world.
GM fell flat on it's face- yet again. Not surprising. But I honestly didn't think they could out-shit the Volt. That was such an ugly piece of shit nobody wanted. Turns out they actually could out brainfart themselves with that raging piece of shit they called the Bolt.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 13, 2019, 06:04:10 PM
You may not like the styling, fine, my point was that the battery pack evidently has about the same energy density.  You were claiming Audi et al. could not compete with Tesla because of battery energy density.  My personal belief is that Audi et al. will cause significant competitive challenges for Tesla.

Styling is subjective.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Mdot21 on April 13, 2019, 07:02:30 PM
You may not like the styling, fine, my point was that the battery pack evidently has about the same energy density.  You were claiming Audi et al. could not compete with Tesla because of battery energy density.  My personal belief is that Audi et al. will cause significant competitive challenges for Tesla.

Styling is subjective.
That's a personal belief. But is that belief grounded in fact? Hmmm...let's see...the Audi e-tron was suppose to be delivered to customers a year ago and it's still nowhere near being ready for deliveries. Delayed. Again. E-tron pre-orders? 20,000. Model 3 pre-orders? nearly 500,000. 500,000 > 20,000. By a factor of 25. Ouch.
https://electrek.co/2019/02/09/tesla-model-3-cost-surprise-porsche-audi-reverse-engineering/
Later, a report came out about a German automaker being impressed by Model 3 after reverse-engineering it. (https://electrek.co/2018/02/17/tesla-model-3-german-automaker-reverse-engineered/)
Now a new report from Germany’s Manager Magazin (http://www.manager-magazin.de/premium/audi-bram-schot-will-tempo-machen-a-00000000-0002-0001-0000-000161978234) (German and paywall) includes a deep dive into the state of Audi with comments from executives and insider sources.
It claims that Porsche and Audi, who are working together on a next-generation electric platform, had to change their approach because the cost was too high compared to what Tesla is achieving.
They report:
Quote
“The Porsche and Audi engineers have to change [the PPE] because Tesla’s Model 3 has gotten better than they thought.”
The next-gen platform called Premium Platform Electric (PPE) was greenlighted almost two years ago (https://electrek.co/2017/04/05/porsche-audi-electric-autonomous-vehicles/) and it is expected to be ready around 2020 or 2021.
According to the new report, the first version was coming at about 3,000 euros too expensive, which Porsche is said to be able to absorb but Audi wasn’t on board. They believe that they need to lower the cost in order to be competitive with other upcoming EVs.
The battery cell cost is apparently the biggest factor that pushes the cost of the platform higher and Tesla claims to be leading the industry on that front.
According to the report, Audi and Porsche could delay the PPE in order to improve the cost and be competitive with Tesla.
The PPE is becoming increasingly important for Audi according to Manager-Magazin’s report, which describes a failing e-tron program:
Quote
The e-tron as the first electric Audi is not only late. It does not reach some target values and has become far too expensive with more than two billion euros in development costs. The approximately 600,000 cars sold for the break-even are now regarded as an illusion.
The e-tron electric SUV was supposed to be delivered to customers last year, but Audi says that software issues have resulted in delays.
The German automaker is still planning several other vehicles based on the same platform before the PPE becomes available.
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So....Audi/Porsche reversed engineered the Model 3 in Feb and shit their pants. They found they are 3,000 euros- basically $3,500 - behind Tesla on a shared Audi/Porsche PPE platform that is still 2 years out. Yikes. Sounds like it's gonna be delayed. Again.
Styling is subjective. Ok.
Coolness factor, cultural impact, demand, brand value, customer loyalty/retention, innovation, sales #'s aren't. GM has nothing to show there with the Bolt. Tesla is destroying their face off and eating their lunch. Tesla is the iPhone to GM's Microsoft Windows Phone.
Really, the only thing GM has over Tesla is the production capacity and a bloated marketing budget to peddle their shit cars that deep down no one really truly wants. GM can produce millions of cars a ear with ease while Tesla struggles mightily to produce even 200,000 a year. GM's marketing budget? $3-4 billion a year. Tesla's marketing budget? $0. They don't have one. If Tesla had the manufacturing infrastructure in place to produce the cars at scale and a $3-4 billion a year marketing budget to peddle cars that people already want and love and think are cool- well they'd put GM out of business. GM is doing a dandy job putting themselves out of business as it is anyway.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 13, 2019, 07:17:29 PM
I think you are enthralled with Tesla to the point of not being dispassionate in your analysis.

Audi and Volvo and Mercedes and Porsche are all coming to the EV game, and they will have battery technology comparable to that of Tesla, just as Chevy does.

There is nothing magical or unique about Tesla cars.  My read is that the EV market is going to become over saturated as first movers have all bought and the rest of the folks are leary about EVs.  That looks bad to me for anyone who can't fall back on SUV/truck profits.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Mdot21 on April 13, 2019, 07:50:01 PM
I think you are enthralled with Tesla to the point of not being dispassionate in your analysis.

Audi and Volvo and Mercedes and Porsche are all coming to the EV game, and they will have battery technology comparable to that of Tesla, just as Chevy does.

There is nothing magical or unique about Tesla cars.  My read is that the EV market is going to become over saturated as first movers have all bought and the rest of the folks are leary about EVs.  That looks bad to me for anyone who can't fall back on SUV/truck profits.
Lol.
Audi, Volvo, Mercedes, and Porsche are all way behind Tesla in the EV game. Been hearing nothing but boogie man stories for 10 years about those companies coming to the EV game and wiping out Tesla. And then nothing happens. All those companies battery tech performance is behind Tesla, but far more importantly THEIR COSTS on the battery is way behind Tesla.
There is nothing magical or unique about Tesla cars? Yeah. No. Spoken like a person who has never actually driven one. How about you go drive one with Ludicrous mode and try the auto-pilot mode before you say that. Their cars are out of this world. Probably the best car on the market, period. They are flat out amazing cars. Amazing. You're conflating EVs with Tesla's. People don't want to buy EVs. They want to buy Tesla's. There's a difference. If people just wanted EVs they'd have bought the Bolt in droves. But, nobody wanted to buy that piece of shit. People want to buy Tesla's. Period.
Forget the US market. China is a much bigger auto market than the US. And in 10 1/2 years every new car in China will have to be EV by law. Europe is essentially as big an auto market as the US give or take 1 million cars, and many EU countries are pushing for something similar to China as well. Norway for example already banned all diesel and gas powered cars by 2025. Tesla's sales will be guaranteed in those markets by those governments banning the internal combustion engine.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Mdot21 on April 13, 2019, 08:48:15 PM
https://insideevs.com/electric-vehicle-holy-grail-tesla-tops/

https://insideevs.com/tesla-maxwell-merger-smartest-move-years/

https://insideevs.com/why-tesla-bought-maxwell-technologies/

Again, Tesla aren't just ahead of their "competitors" in battery tech, they are way ahead of them. And not only in range and performance but also in cost.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 13, 2019, 11:27:37 PM
Nonsense.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 14, 2019, 01:38:47 AM
Does Tesla have the capital necessary to acquire maxwell? 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 14, 2019, 09:00:02 AM
I need to figure out what I'm going to do with my tax refund, and also figure out how to not get such a big amount next year. Income is so unpredictable for me, so that makes it hard. But, it's better to get than have to give, I guess. So, I'm happy about that this morning.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 14, 2019, 09:58:35 AM
You can make those quarterly payments, and you likely do, and perhaps you can adjust them accordingly.  With interest rates so low, getting a refund now is not heinous really.

Say you get $5000 back, you might have earned $50, maybe, in a money market fund.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 14, 2019, 10:14:00 AM
Nah. I throw money in the investment account every two weeks. Much better interest rate there.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 14, 2019, 10:33:50 AM
I have an ETF that pays 2.2% and is 7 day money.  If you overpay $5000 of course, that in effect would net 1.1% in interest over that time period because you don't have it all from the start.  CDs these days are paying 2-3% depending on maturity, and I don't want to go out 5 years.  I keep thinking this inflation thing is lurking somewhere, but I've thought that for a solid decade now.  I think some of that is due to the upsurge in hydrocarbon production in the US.  The price of that gets into the production of a lot of stuff including fertilizer, ag, transport, steel, aluminum, paper, etc.

We had a paper plant that used cogen NG turbines to generate power and the exhaust gas was used to dry the paper (after a heat exchanger).  Drying paper is a big deal for paper makers, you start with a slurry that is about 0.1% pulp and end up with paper that is about 5% water.  There is some pretty neat technology in papermaking these days.



Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 14, 2019, 11:03:03 AM
My strategy is much different than yours (it should be at this point). It's very aggressive right now. I might dial it back in 6-12 months, but for now it's accumulating at a clip that amazes me. My main fund did 32 percent, in Q1 alone. We know that's not sustainable.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on April 14, 2019, 11:09:08 AM
Adjust withholding is the first tactic.   Mess with estimated is next best strategy. 

To me it is the principal of the matter .  Why should I finance Uncle Sam and not be compensated?

Would you agree to lending anyone say $2,000, and do so by handing them $167 each month and be promised to receive only $2,000 after a year?  Then do it again and again.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 14, 2019, 11:36:20 AM
My strategy is much different than yours (it should be at this point). It's very aggressive right now. I might dial it back in 6-12 months, but for now it's accumulating at a clip that amazes me. My main fund did 32 percent, in Q1 alone. We know that's not sustainable.
Money I may need in a year goes into that 2.2% fund.  Money I may need in 2-3 years gets more aggressive, and so on.
Funds I expected to need to pay taxes would go into a very safe fund with a low return.  Some of my retirement is in pretty aggressive stocks because I don't "care" if the market tanks in 2-5 years.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 14, 2019, 11:47:47 AM
Some heavy weather moving through here, and of course is about to be a factor at some golf tournament.  I was helping the wife "secure" her myriad plants in pots, the wind is kicking up.  I feel for those 250 or so folks who rented booth space at the Festival, Sunday is a wash out, hopefully most already packed up.  Yesterday was a crowd over there, today I can't see anyone outside.

I think we're going to miss the worst of it, we do have a basement (garage).  Atlanta had a rather famous tornado hit downtown a while back during the SEC basketball tournament, did a lot of damage.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 14, 2019, 11:55:50 AM
Money I may need in a year goes into that 2.2% fund.  Money I may need in 2-3 years gets more aggressive, and so on.
Funds I expected to need to pay taxes would go into a very safe fund with a low return.  Some of my retirement is in pretty aggressive stocks because I don't "care" if the market tanks in 2-5 years.
Yeah, I don't have this because I'm still working. I'm working on that last part though.  ;)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 14, 2019, 12:00:53 PM
Weather's fine here. Going for a walk and then the farmers market, followed by making beer, and then grilling some Greek marinated flap meat steaks. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 14, 2019, 12:40:00 PM
Got about 3" of snow on the3 ground right now. Just another kick to the nuts as winter hangs on, like the bitch she is.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MichiFan87 on April 14, 2019, 12:46:00 PM
Tesla will probably remain the top EV manufacturer for some time, but it's market share will decline, even if it can improve its production rate and maintain its advantage in quality. China also has its own EV manufacturers. They just don't export their vehicles presumably because they can't keep up with demand in their own country.... The bigger market opportunity is probably India, which currently has more power plants under construction than anywhere else and a car ownership rate of only 2%. They might even be the earliest adopter of autonomous vehicles that are not privately owned. This article explains this pretty well.
https://www.fastcompany.com/40422065/inside-indias-plans-to-leapfrog-the-western-model-of-car-ownership (https://www.fastcompany.com/40422065/inside-indias-plans-to-leapfrog-the-western-model-of-car-ownership)

 As for the market, I'm surprised it has rebounded back to its peak, and I'd be surprised if it didn't crash this year.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 14, 2019, 12:53:04 PM
Economic indicators remain solid on most counts. Most money lost in the market is driven by emotion. You can't lose unless you pull out. Christmas Eve was a stupid event. We saw what happened on the 26th - two days later. If you pulled out based on emotion on Christmas Eve, you lost a lot of money.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 14, 2019, 04:17:26 PM
Of course, if you don't pull out on Christmas eve, you end up with a lot of September babies...
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Mdot21 on April 14, 2019, 07:37:30 PM
Does Tesla have the capital necessary to acquire maxwell?
yes they do, they've got $3+ billion in cash, but they aren't spending any capital to close that deal. it's a $218 million stock deal that's really only costing Tesla $149 million because as soon as the deal closes they'll get access to Maxwell's $69 million cash balance. Great f'ing deal for Tesla.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Mdot21 on April 14, 2019, 07:39:43 PM
Tesla will probably remain the top EV manufacturer for some time, but it's market share will decline, even if it can improve its production rate and maintain its advantage in quality. China also has its own EV manufacturers. They just don't export their vehicles presumably because they can't keep up with demand in their own country.... The bigger market opportunity is probably India, which currently has more power plants under construction than anywhere else and a car ownership rate of only 2%. They might even be the earliest adopter of autonomous vehicles that are not privately owned. This article explains this pretty well.
https://www.fastcompany.com/40422065/inside-indias-plans-to-leapfrog-the-western-model-of-car-ownership (https://www.fastcompany.com/40422065/inside-indias-plans-to-leapfrog-the-western-model-of-car-ownership)

 As for the market, I'm surprised it has rebounded back to its peak, and I'd be surprised if it didn't crash this year.
Eventually every car is going to be EV, so of course it's market share of EV's will decline. Only stands to reason that with so much competition they won't lock down 80% of the EV market like they are now. Their market share of car sales should only grow exponentially though compared to where it's at now. This is a car company that barely sells what- 200,000 to 250,000 cars a year. They have great potential to sell millions of cars per year. They've got to make more than 3 models though, and they need the manufacturing infrastructure to actually be able to build the cars to meet demand.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Mdot21 on April 14, 2019, 08:06:31 PM
Economic indicators remain solid on most counts. Most money lost in the market is driven by emotion. You can't lose unless you pull out. Christmas Eve was a stupid event. We saw what happened on the 26th - two days later. If you pulled out based on emotion on Christmas Eve, you lost a lot of money.
Stock market =/= the economy. Central banks across the globe have been propping up the stock markets. And who owns most of that stock and reaps the benefits? In the US, the Top .01 own about 17%, the next 0.9% about 35%, and the next 9% about 43%. Most of the people in this country and really struggling taking on more and more debt just go get by.
After the Great Recession the fed pumped trillions into the system and there was no inflation. None. How does that even work?

We don't make or manufacture jack shit here anymore. That's how real wealth and value generation is created. Now it's all playing games with money and bullshit. Before the great kaboom in 2007-2008, the financial sector accounted for over 40% of all Corporate profit. Over 40%. In the 1980s it was only 16% and in the 1960s when this country was truly the greatest country on earth and was manufacturing just about everything under the sun- it wasn't even 10%. It's a low-employee, unproductive, inefficient sector that for some reason generates enormous guaranteed profits and gets bail outs whenever they get in trouble.

And let's not forget corporations taking on massive debt for stock buybacks to boost share prices to pump the market up as well. There's a corporate debt bubble looming out there that could just pop and send the market crashing and the US into another recession.

It's coming. Who the hell knows when and what triggers it is any ones guess.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 15, 2019, 02:36:00 AM
On the list of names running for the 2020 Democratic nomination for President is the mayor of Miramar, FL - Wayne Messam.  As in former FSU WR Wayne Messam.  
Hmmph.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on April 15, 2019, 07:53:23 AM
Who isn't seeking that at this point?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 15, 2019, 08:06:03 AM
I'm not. Heh.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on April 15, 2019, 09:09:20 AM
Not sure if anyone posted this https://www.jconline.com/story/sports/college/purdue/football/2019/04/12/purdue-football-coach-jeff-brohm-awarded-one-year-contract-extension/3421463002/ (https://www.jconline.com/story/sports/college/purdue/football/2019/04/12/purdue-football-coach-jeff-brohm-awarded-one-year-contract-extension/3421463002/)


PURDUE SIGNS JEFF BROHM TO A 7 YEAR, $36.8 MILLION CONTRACT
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 15, 2019, 10:10:03 AM
Stock market =/= the economy. Central banks across the globe have been propping up the stock markets. And who owns most of that stock and reaps the benefits? In the US, the Top .01 own about 17%, the next 0.9% about 35%, and the next 9% about 43%. Most of the people in this country and really struggling taking on more and more debt just go get by.
After the Great Recession the fed pumped trillions into the system and there was no inflation. None. How does that even work?

We don't make or manufacture jack shit here anymore. That's how real wealth and value generation is created. Now it's all playing games with money and bullshit. Before the great kaboom in 2007-2008, the financial sector accounted for over 40% of all Corporate profit. Over 40%. In the 1980s it was only 16% and in the 1960s when this country was truly the greatest country on earth and was manufacturing just about everything under the sun- it wasn't even 10%. It's a low-employee, unproductive, inefficient sector that for some reason generates enormous guaranteed profits and gets bail outs whenever they get in trouble.

And let's not forget corporations taking on massive debt for stock buybacks to boost share prices to pump the market up as well. There's a corporate debt bubble looming out there that could just pop and send the market crashing and the US into another recession.

It's coming. Who the hell knows when and what triggers it is any ones guess.
That's because nobody wants to work those jobs anymore, and for some, work at all. There are 10K jobs in manufacturing open in my community college district alone, and we have a great program to get people qualified for these jobs. These are jobs that start at $50+ (read: living wage), with just a 1 year certificate. There are a ton of jobs open. We need people to come get them. The people are out there. This I know.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 15, 2019, 10:50:33 AM
The US makes a lot of paper, and we assemble a lot of cars.  Obviously hydrocarbon production is enormous now.

Trucking is a major employer, which makes one wonder what happens when trucks become autonomous.  For a while, they would likely have a human in there for safety, like the old cabooses on trains.

The word “caboose” comes from the Dutch “kabuis” (or Low German “kabuse”)meaning “cabin on a ship's deck.”

A lot of airplanes are made in the US with jet engines etc.  I lived near a huge jet engine plant in Cincy, most of it build in WW Two.  I could hear the engines being tested at times (on a stand).  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on April 15, 2019, 01:05:15 PM
The U.S. has a lot of manufacturing, but our manufacturing is no longer the large shop employers it used to be.

The market vs. the economy is an interesting issue, and wage growth is part of that. One way to derive more profit, pushing up the market, is to pay employees less. The balance of the return on the product has shifted away from employees toward investors, which is good if you are an investor, but bad if you are a middle-class worker. While we hear noises about it, it has been a surprisingly little-discussed political issue.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 15, 2019, 01:12:05 PM
(https://static.seekingalpha.com/uploads/2018/8/1/saupload_median-household-income-in-the-21st-century-nominal-and-real-estimates-200001-thru-201806_thumb1.png)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 15, 2019, 01:12:36 PM
The U.S. has a lot of manufacturing, but our manufacturing is no longer the large shop employers it used to be.
We also have a lot more of the high-tech manufacturing compared to the labor-intensive manufacturing. 
US manufacturing output [measured in dollar value] is growing, actually. US manufacturing jobs are not. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 15, 2019, 01:14:35 PM
We also have a lot more of the high-tech manufacturing compared to the labor-intensive manufacturing.
US manufacturing output [measured in dollar value] is growing, actually. US manufacturing jobs are not.
They are here. Just need people to fill them.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 15, 2019, 01:15:16 PM
When I'd visit our paper plants, I could tell how things were going by watching the operators.  If they were sitting around shooting the S, things were going fine.

If the control room had 2 people in it and everyone else was frantic, I knew not to poke my nose in there asking dumb questions.

Automation continues to eliminate jobs, but not output, as noted above.

Autonomous trucking would be huge.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 15, 2019, 01:17:29 PM
(https://static.seekingalpha.com/uploads/2018/8/1/saupload_median-household-income-in-the-21st-century-nominal-and-real-estimates-200001-thru-201806_thumb1.png)
Cincy, not criticizing this at all, but does it account for household size, age, whether it's a single adult or multiple adults, etc? 1960 the median household size was 3.3 people. In 2018 it was 2.53 people. Divorce and single parent situation changed a lot over this time span. 
Granted, your chart is just from 2000, when the average household size was 2.62 people, so not a huge difference. But I wonder if household composition has changed much since then, especially as retiring baby boomers are being replaced by much younger [less experienced / lower income] in the workforce.
I just get leery of aggregate statistics, as they may purport to show something different than reality on the ground.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/183648/average-size-of-households-in-the-us/ (https://www.statista.com/statistics/183648/average-size-of-households-in-the-us/)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 15, 2019, 01:25:52 PM
It's just median household income, the only adjustment is for inflation (one line).  

It also is not after tax income obviously, another factor when it comes to discretionary spending.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on April 15, 2019, 01:47:35 PM
Horrible scene in Paris right now. Notre Dame   Cathedral is ablaze.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 15, 2019, 01:50:08 PM
Incredible amount of flames there, I would not have thought that must combustible stuff was in it.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 15, 2019, 01:54:36 PM
Glad I actually got to see it, although now I'm a little disappointed that we didn't actually go inside that day [it was after touring the Louvre for several hours]...
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 15, 2019, 02:25:25 PM
Stunning images coming in over the news networks.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Mdot21 on April 15, 2019, 03:05:13 PM
That's because nobody wants to work those jobs anymore, and for some, work at all. There are 10K jobs in manufacturing open in my community college district alone, and we have a great program to get people qualified for these jobs. These are jobs that start at $50+ (read: living wage), with just a 1 year certificate. There are a ton of jobs open. We need people to come get them. The people are out there. This I know.
This isn't exactly true. Millions of manufacturing jobs were lost in the 90s and 2000s and those are never coming back. In the 1960s about 1 in 4 Americans had a manufacturing job. 25%. Today it's less than 1 in 10 at around 8%. The US has lost 6 million manufacturing jobs since 2000 alone. We used to manufacture everything under the sun here. We don't anymore.
Take the state of Michigan alone. From 2000-2010 it lost 48% of all it's manufacturing jobs. In the 1960s the city of Detroit was the 4th most populated city in the country with around 2 million residents and it was the richest city in the entire nation. All of that built on the back of manufacturing. Now the city of Detroit is destitute. A true American Economic Horror Story. There's less than 670,00 residents, the city went bankrupt not long ago, it's the most dangerous city in the US, and it looks like a fricken war zone with abandoned factories, homes, and buildings everywhere.
Automation/robotics and out-sourcing have devastated most US manufacturing jobs. Automation not as much as out-sourcing, but it's played a part for sure. The US is actually lagging behind most of it's competitors countries in terms of automation btw. South Korea, Germany, Japan- all have far more robotics in their manufacturing plants than the US does. Some of those countries by a factor 5x. And 78,000 plants were closed in the US from 2000-2014 alone. The robots need somewhere to work too. If automation played such a big role they wouldn't be closing that many factories, they'd be retrofitting them with robots.
Clinton signing NAFTA into law in '93 and pushing through permanent normal trade relations with China in the last year of his presidency- which set the spring board for China to join the WTO in 2001- lead to massive layoffs in the US and shifting production to other countries where US multinationals could pay employees in other countries slave wages and pollute the environment all they wanted and not have to deal with pesky things like fines from the EPA thereby boosting profits by saving shit tons of money on labor and also saving money by not having to deal with fines and regulations from the US government agencies like OSHA/EPA.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Mdot21 on April 15, 2019, 03:13:06 PM
The U.S. has a lot of manufacturing, but our manufacturing is no longer the large shop employers it used to be.

The market vs. the economy is an interesting issue, and wage growth is part of that. One way to derive more profit, pushing up the market, is to pay employees less. The balance of the return on the product has shifted away from employees toward investors, which is good if you are an investor, but bad if you are a middle-class worker. While we hear noises about it, it has been a surprisingly little-discussed political issue.
I wouldn't say the US has a lot of manufacturing. Take the very small but highly profitable subsection of computer/high-tech out of the manufacturing #'s and you start to see just how bad manufacturing really is....
https://qz.com/1269172/the-epic-mistake-about-manufacturing-thats-cost-americans-millions-of-jobs/
Oh, and I agree with you 100% on the last part. Not talked about enough. And one of the biggest reasons for the CEO pay gap vs average worker. CEO's compensation is stock related now. Their #1 goal is not to build and grow a sustainable, stable business that's profitable for the long term. It's how can I push the share price up and make hundreds of millions of dollars for myself and the executive class this year through stock related compensation and make the shareholders happy as hell with high stock prices. Take this douchebag Frank Bisignano for example. He became the CEO of a company called First Data in 2013, and his base salary was $1.3 million in 2017, but he made $102+ million in total compensation in 2017 due to- yup, you guessed it- stock related compensation. You know, only roughly 2,028 times the average pay of one of his workers.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 15, 2019, 03:35:06 PM
I would think an increasing stock price is at least one indication of a company that is likely to do well over the longer haul.  Executive incentive pay is one way to encourage higher stock prices, which is something the owners of the company tend to like.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Mdot21 on April 15, 2019, 03:37:29 PM
(https://static.seekingalpha.com/uploads/2018/8/1/saupload_median-household-income-in-the-21st-century-nominal-and-real-estimates-200001-thru-201806_thumb1.png)
real wages have been stagnant for decades.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/patrickwwatson/2018/09/25/real-wage-growth-is-actually-falling/#70fe836b7284
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 15, 2019, 03:40:53 PM
I think the chart shows some ups and downs but the current state is about what it was in 2000, around $60 K a year per HH.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on April 15, 2019, 03:59:18 PM
Looks like Notre Dame Cathedral in France is toast roof and spire collapsed into the structure.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 15, 2019, 04:02:51 PM
Yes, I'm not sure if the iconic square towers will survive, but hopefully they will.  We're headed over in May for 3 weeks.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on April 15, 2019, 04:06:19 PM
Wonder if it was a spark from a torch,hopefully not careless smoking.Sure there was some priceless art go up in flames
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 15, 2019, 04:13:30 PM
I'm hard pressed to see how it got so out of control without earlier notice, but perhaps it was noted and got going before anyone could contain it.  That suggests, I think, an accelerant of some sort, perhaps construction materials.  Perhaps the work included a lot of canvas sheets to protect materials and they had some sort of flammable solvent around?

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on April 15, 2019, 04:17:24 PM
With huge pocket of air and drafts going thru it'd be like tinder.Someone said a lot of the higher framing was wood
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Mdot21 on April 15, 2019, 04:22:58 PM
Looks like Notre Dame Cathedral in France is toast roof and spire collapsed into the structure.
so unbelievably sad. I was just there two years ago. Feels like yesterday. can't believe this has happened.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Mdot21 on April 15, 2019, 04:46:22 PM
I would think an increasing stock price is at least one indication of a company that is likely to do well over the longer haul.  Executive incentive pay is one way to encourage higher stock prices, which is something the owners of the company tend to like.
Yeah, no they really don't have a whole lot to do with eachother. There are plenty of ways to manipulate share prices in the short term which can put a company at risk in the long term.

Just look at the corporate debt bubble that has built up. There's been a record amount of debt and a record amount of corporations buying their stock back. Corporations have been borrowing cheap money to buyback shares to boost prices at record rates. And that money just flows into the hands of the few. The top .01 own 17% of the stocks in the entire country, the next .9% own 35% and the next 9% own 43%. There's $9 trillion there in corporate debt on it's way to 10 trillion. TRILLION. HUGE chunk of that debt hasn't gone to investing in R&D or plants or jobs or the future, it's just gone to repurchasing shares.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 15, 2019, 04:49:35 PM
This isn't exactly true. .
Which part of what I wrote I not true? It's all exactly true.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 15, 2019, 04:55:50 PM
(https://static.seekingalpha.com/uploads/2019/3/6/49821292-15519017960441937.png)

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4247445-concerning-corporate-debt-levels (https://seekingalpha.com/article/4247445-concerning-corporate-debt-levels)

I think most serious investors understand this and can read a balance sheet to understand if a company has become overly leveraged.  Trading stock for cash and reversing the process of course is something companies have done for some time, usually favoring debt when interest rates are low and more stock when interest rates are higher.

If a company thinks their stock is a better investment than spending it on something else, a stock buyback makes sense, to me anyway.  If they need cash for prudent investments, they can issue more stock and/or borrow as needed.

But there certainly is a concerning level of overall debt in our economy.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MichiFan87 on April 15, 2019, 05:08:29 PM
The only way more manufacturing production is come back to the US is with mostly / fully automated plants, which are more common in Asia, anyway. Those jobs aren't coming back. The main exceptions are with things like wind turbines that aren't easily transported, along with other large machinery and infrastructure.

And automation of manufacturing jobs is only the beginning. Transportation is under an obvious threat but so are white-collar jobs, even in finance, along with more obvious roles like accounting and administrative work.

Meanwhile, freelance and temporary / contract roles are increasingly replacing regular full-time jobs (it's widely reported that net job growth over the past decade is only from non-permanent jobs).

That said, income inequality is inevitably just get worse, and there's no great solution to it unless/until the 1% becomes so rich that universal basic income actually becomes feasible.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Mdot21 on April 15, 2019, 05:09:55 PM
Which part of what I wrote I not true? It's all exactly true.
That there are millions of manufacturing jobs that no one wants or aren't qualified for. There aren't. There may be some of that, but it'll never come close to being able to replace the millions of manufacturing jobs lost. It's not like there are 6 million manufacturing jobs out there that people aren't qualified or don't want. Who knows what the real number is, but it's nowhere close to the 6 million manufacturing jobs that were lost from 2000-2010 alone.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on April 15, 2019, 05:15:08 PM
A company can also be plenty healthy, but also do its very best to keep its wages down and its per-share profits inversely higher. On a case-by-case basis, that is likely a healthy company, but it is one that is part of a system that has kept wages from increasing with productivity. As CD notes about the median wage chart, that's the median--it isn't controlling for the differences in wage growth for various different earning groups. Particularly, the top 5% and top 1% have done extraordinarily well for the last forty years, while earners in the middle have not. And that's just in wages adjusted for inflation. If you look at wages vs. productivity, the middle has done much worse, i.e., productivity per earner has far outpaced wage growth. That, of course, fuels corporate profits (more productivity without more cost equals more profit), which--again--is good for the shareholder (although most Americans own some stock, more than 80% of stock is held by the top 10%).

What this means for our economy and our democracy are interesting questions that are probably not well suited to this forum. :-)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 15, 2019, 06:09:27 PM
That there are millions of manufacturing jobs that no one wants or aren't qualified for. There aren't. There may be some of that, but it'll never come close to being able to replace the millions of manufacturing jobs lost. It's not like there are 6 million manufacturing jobs out there that people aren't qualified or don't want. Who knows what the real number is, but it's nowhere close to the 6 million manufacturing jobs that were lost from 2000-2010 alone.
I didn't say there were millions. I know for a fact that there are ~10K open in this area:
Harper College District 512

Harper College District 512 comprises these communities:
Arlington Heights, Barrington, Barrington Hills, Buffalo Grove+, Carpentersville+, Deer Park+, Des Plaines+, Elk Grove Village, Fox River Grove+, Hanover Park+, Hoffman Estates+, Inverness, Lake Barrington, Mount Prospect, North Barrington, Palatine, Prospect Heights, Rolling Meadows, Roselle+, Schaumburg, South Barrington, Tower Lakes, Wheeling.
+ Portions of these communities are included in the district.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 15, 2019, 07:34:17 PM
Notre Dame cathedral is owned by the French government.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Mdot21 on April 15, 2019, 11:00:37 PM
(https://static.seekingalpha.com/uploads/2019/3/6/49821292-15519017960441937.png)

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4247445-concerning-corporate-debt-levels (https://seekingalpha.com/article/4247445-concerning-corporate-debt-levels)

I think most serious investors understand this and can read a balance sheet to understand if a company has become overly leveraged.  Trading stock for cash and reversing the process of course is something companies have done for some time, usually favoring debt when interest rates are low and more stock when interest rates are higher.

If a company thinks their stock is a better investment than spending it on something else, a stock buyback makes sense, to me anyway.  If they need cash for prudent investments, they can issue more stock and/or borrow as needed.

But there certainly is a concerning level of overall debt in our economy. 
There's $5.5 trillion in corporate debt that is basically "subprime". $1.3 trillion in leveraged loans, $1.2 trillion in junk bonds, and $3+ trillion in "investment grade" corporate debt that is literally just one notch above junk. Compare that amount of "subprime" debt to the 2007 mortgage crisis where the value of those subprime mortgages was about $1.3 trillion.
When there's an economic slowdown and interest rates rise it's going to wipe out a bunch of companies that can't service their debt. Could just trigger a domino effect and send the US into another deep recession.
Borrowing money to buy back stock is just dumb business. Look no further than GE: https://seekingalpha.com/article/4224059-corporate-share-buybacks-looking-dumber-day
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 16, 2019, 12:55:24 AM
Companies that are fledgling act like animals acting out near-death...they refuse to accept their fate.  While the animals lack the reason to see the writing on the wall, the companies ignore reason and continue, kicking and screaming in vain, to go on, existing.


Imagine a CEO telling the stockholders that all indicators point to the eventual downfall of the company in 10-15 years and that it's the beginning of the end and that everyone should cut 'n run.  Even though that'd be the very best CEO in the world, he'd be fired immediately and the leftover peoples would scratch and claw to try to keep the company afloat long-term.


People who only go by the numbers wind up hoping and praying with only one card left in the deck that can help them.  It'd be silly if it wasn't so repetitive and affect so many lives.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 16, 2019, 07:31:00 AM
Borrowing money to buy back stock makes sense if  your stock prices goes higher, and or if it stays the same paying a 3% dividend and bonds cost you 2% or less.

GE stock of course tanked, so it did not make sense for them obviously.  

The news coming out of Paris this morning is a bit rosier than it appeared yesterday.

Firefighters say the cathedral's stone construction and main works of art were saved after the 9-hour blaze (https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/notre-dame-fire/index.html)
 (https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/notre-dame-fire/index.html) (https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/notre-dame-fire/index.html)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on April 16, 2019, 01:52:35 PM
Yeah that's really good news.

And already lots of $$$ being pledged to the rebuilding by French companies/billionaires, and I'm sure that global support will be quite strong as well. 

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MichiFan87 on April 16, 2019, 04:15:33 PM
Since it fits this topic, and I kind of alluded to it earlier, I might as well ask it here.

I think I'm finally able to make the leap and go all in on self-employment. My contract job I moved to DC for recently ended, and fortunately I've been able to connect with several entrepreneurs who are interested in working with me and even seem willing to connect me with others that I could work with. I should be able to get started next week.

So all that said, I want to make sure I don't screw this up, because I know I don't fit in the corporate world, and contract jobs (the easiest ones to get) tend to be at the most bureaucratic places. I know some of you are or at least have been self-employed so I'm open to any and all advice. I know the basics (self-employment tax with the full share of SSI and Medicare taxes, and making quarterly payments), but any other insight would be appreciated.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 16, 2019, 04:20:27 PM
Self-employment is a big leap.


My first step would be to hire the best attorney and best accountant you can find. Second would be to establish a relationship with a bank or CU (I prefer the latter).


I imagine this is a silly question.. but have you written a business plan yet?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 16, 2019, 05:30:29 PM
Credit unions are great, generally speaking.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 16, 2019, 05:36:46 PM
Yep, they are. Been with mine for 25 years now. But, much like a bank, they are going to want to see a business plan, if any capital is being sought.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 16, 2019, 05:42:27 PM
The wife found a local credit union that works for her.  I tried just banking with my broker and that is working fine, so I have accounts only at one place now (almost, with a slight exception forced on me).
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MichiFan87 on April 17, 2019, 01:00:41 AM
I wouldn't necessarily call it a business plan, but I have thought about how much I could make and how soon. I have decent emergency fund, too.

Basically, I should be able to charge $50+ / hr or close to that on a project basis. In my contract job I was paid $37 / hr and was probably billed at double that for what was mostly administrative work, whereas most of my experience is real analytical work. Point being, even just 50 hours per month at $50 / hr = $2500 pretax, which would still mostly cover my main expenses, and I expect to get at least that much work at that rate or better. In the worst case scenario, I'm in contention for a decent full-time job as well as a staffing agency that can give me part-time temporary work.

I'm not really trying to start my own company, as much as I'm just looking to find other entrepreneurs that I can support. I have an aunt with a CPA, which certainly helps, though. I agree and know I should have a separate bank account for business purposes and find a labor/self-employment-focused lawyer, as well.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on April 17, 2019, 09:17:24 AM
Ii've got accounts all over the place.  I really need to consolidate.  There's nothing to be done in the retirement accounts, I have an IRA that I was forced to rollover from my employer's 401k when I left my first job.  But luckily my 401Ks with both of my last two employers are handled by the same company, so although I can't invest any further in the old one, I can still manage it through the portal on my new one.  Since I don't really touch those retirement accounts very often, it's not that big of a deal, but I can at least view those two in the same place.

My family's primary banking/checking/savings accounts are with a different company, and then my business accounts for managing our real estate investments are with yet another company.  It gets a little overwhelming to manage.  I've tried Mint and iMoney and some other similar programs that are designed to consolidate the views and help manage it all, but they just don't work cohesively enough with my various financial institutions.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 17, 2019, 09:52:05 AM
I know, let's build more freeway lanes, that should solve the traffic problem.

https://atlanta.curbed.com/2019/4/17/18411608/ga-highway-400-express-lanes-traffic-peach-pass (https://atlanta.curbed.com/2019/4/17/18411608/ga-highway-400-express-lanes-traffic-peach-pass)

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 17, 2019, 11:19:47 AM
I wouldn't necessarily call it a business plan, but I have thought about how much I could make and how soon. I have decent emergency fund, too.

Basically, I should be able to charge $50+ / hr or close to that on a project basis. In my contract job I was paid $37 / hr and was probably billed at double that for what was mostly administrative work, whereas most of my experience is real analytical work. Point being, even just 50 hours per month at $50 / hr = $2500 pretax, which would still mostly cover my main expenses, and I expect to get at least that much work at that rate or better. In the worst case scenario, I'm in contention for a decent full-time job as well as a staffing agency that can give me part-time temporary work.

I'm not really trying to start my own company, as much as I'm just looking to find other entrepreneurs that I can support. I have an aunt with a CPA, which certainly helps, though. I agree and know I should have a separate bank account for business purposes and find a labor/self-employment-focused lawyer, as well.
That makes things a little different, but it's not that much different. You still need to separate every aspect of personal and business. That is first and foremost. Then, you need to think long and hard about where you will be in 20 years. 

Starting a company to make a living is much different than starting a company to make a business. Granted, you can do both, but the latter needs to be carefully thought about (systems, marketing, hiring, business climate, competition, etc.).

My business will be there when I'm not there anymore, but that was my goal. I can give advice along those lines because that's what I know.

One more piece of advice I will give is that when you prepare your Performa, always consider net profit as a cost - not an option. Profit is essential. Breaking even or losing money is more like a hobby activity. Work should not be a hobby.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on April 22, 2019, 09:43:23 AM
Quote
Work should not be a hobby.
I'll have to google this term 'hobby'.  I'm unfamiliar with it- work I'm keenly aware of.  "Hobby"?  Is it condensed terminology from Lord of the Rings? 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 22, 2019, 09:55:11 AM
I recall someone here, maybe Badge, saying he didn't want to "wish summer away" (not that we can control passage of time, or even perception thereof).  I mused that time appears to pass more slowly when you are really really looking forward to a thing.  When we were kids, December was the LOONNNGGGGESSSTT month.  Of course, we're all still kids, and summer seems like the longest season, because there is no "news" and football is WAY OFF.

I'm going to try and enjoy spring and summer and not think much about CFB, too much anyway.  It's a fun time of year.  And the years themselves are passing quickly for me now.  The wife took a photo of me yesterday and I look like an "old man" now, or what my eyes think of as an old man.  Football will be upon us soon enough, the anticipation will merely prolong the perceived passage of time.  So don't think about it.  At all.  Ever.

Watch baseball if you want to drag life out.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on April 22, 2019, 09:58:38 AM
I could post a photo of myself if it doesn't give you a heart attack at least you might feel better about your appearance
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 22, 2019, 10:09:00 AM
I recall someone here, maybe Badge, saying he didn't want to "wish summer away" (not that we can control passage of time, or even perception thereof).  I mused that time appears to pass more slowly when you are really really looking forward to a thing.  When we were kids, December was the LOONNNGGGGESSSTT month.  Of course, we're all still kids, and summer seems like the longest season, because there is no "news" and football is WAY OFF.

I'm going to try and enjoy spring and summer and not think much about CFB, too much anyway.  It's a fun time of year.  And the years themselves are passing quickly for me now.  The wife took a photo of me yesterday and I look like an "old man" now, or what my eyes think of as an old man.  Football will be upon us soon enough, the anticipation will merely prolong the perceived passage of time.  So don't think about it.  At all.  Ever.

Watch baseball if you want to drag life out.
This. All of this.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 22, 2019, 10:10:28 AM
So the Italy trip is now just days away. The wife asked me yesterday if I was getting excited for it. I told her I was not yet, because I didn't want to find my time wishing my other days away. I'll get excited when the limo shows up to the house.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 22, 2019, 10:32:10 AM
We're headed to France a week from Wednesday.  I had not been thinking about it much, and it has snuck up on me quickly.  A good thing is that I usually do all the trip planning, but this time I only had to make one hotel reservation and get a rental car for a three week binge.  The wife has been wanting to get me to Brittany for years now, so off we go.

The other option had been a Baltic cruise which somehow ran into real money.  Maybe next year.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 22, 2019, 10:37:20 AM
We use Azamara for cruising. There are no hidden costs with that line. Everything is included, unless you want premium booze, which is about $15/day. They lose their ass on me.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 22, 2019, 10:49:24 AM
I like this article a lot. And yes, the jobs are out there.


https://www.chicagotribune.com/lifestyles/ct-life-trade-schools-alternative-20190408-story.html

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 22, 2019, 10:50:34 AM
The problem wasn't add on fees etc., it was the book rate, coupled with air fare etc.  It's an 11 day cruise for one thing.  And then of course we'd probably book a tour of "Leningrad" and Helsinki etc.

And then the wife wanted to visit a close friend of her's in Sweden and then wanted to get to Paris as well.  All that added up.  Once it passed $15 K I opted for something else.

It makes comparisons a challenge when we can go to France and stay for free most places in the country.

And hotels in France are often not expensive outside Paris.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on April 22, 2019, 12:09:08 PM
The problem wasn't add on fees etc., it was the book rate, coupled with air fare etc.  It's an 11 day cruise for one thing.  And then of course we'd probably book a tour of "Leningrad" and Helsinki etc.

And then the wife wanted to visit a close friend of her's in Sweden and then wanted to get to Paris as well.  All that added up.  Once it passed $15 K I opted for something else.

It makes comparisons a challenge when we can go to France and stay for free most places in the country.

And hotels in France are often not expensive outside Paris.
And Nice, and Saint Tropez... ;)
But yeah, you're totally correct that out in the provinces, hotels can be quite affordable.  Not a ton of 5-star accommodations available, but they take their hospitality industry seriously over there, and even a 3-star can be really good.  Unfortunately dining out seems to be very expensive no matter where you are.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on April 22, 2019, 12:13:11 PM
We're doing a couples trip to Europe next summer, to intertwine in and around the EuroCup 2020.  We're still debating our route, it basically comes down to the Wine Tour or the Beer Tour.  Wine tour is southern Europe (Spain, France, Italy, and perhaps Croatia), while the Beer Tour would be more like Prague-Germany-Belgium and then maybe one place in England/Ireland/Scotland. 

We'll try and hit at least one actual soccer match, and in general be in and around cities that are hosting them, because there's a lot of energy and it's a fun way to do it.

But we're getting to the point where we need to make the decision on the basic direction, and then begin to finalize the plans.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 22, 2019, 12:34:02 PM
The wife had a cousin in St. Tropez so we stayed with them one night.  Nice is nice.  Biarritz is nice.  Hotels do get pricey in the tourist areas of course.

We did a very nice B&B in Lourdes for three nights for about $340 total.  We were their only guests and the lady running it made great breakfasts.  She was Danish.  She directed us to a restaurant three blocks away that was so good we ate there every night, which we never do.  We did a B&B in Avignon that was reasonable, we had 6 people total, it had 3 BDRs, ended up about $200 a night, but no breakfast.  I can stay at any Hilton "for free" but some of the ones we really liked have changed hands (in France).

Staying with friends and cousins is often an option for us.  The only hotel room I booked for 3 weeks if the Hilton at CDG before we fly out.

I have never flown from ATL to CDG, I wonder if we still get horrible gate assignments, probably do.  We have four flights a day here.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: GopherRock on April 22, 2019, 12:59:56 PM
The fiance keeps asking me if I'm getting excited for our wedding, six and a half weeks from now.  I keep telling her that I'll get excited once we're a lot closer. Like others here, I don't want to wish days away. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 22, 2019, 01:45:43 PM
The fiance keeps asking me if I'm getting excited for our wedding, six and a half weeks from now.  I keep telling her that I'll get excited once we're a lot closer. Like others here, I don't want to wish days away.
That is the wrong answer.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Riffraft on April 22, 2019, 02:43:36 PM
The wife had a cousin in St. Tropez so we stayed with them one night.  Nice is nice.  Biarritz is nice.  Hotels do get pricey in the tourist areas of course.

We did a very nice B&B in Lourdes for three nights for about $340 total.  We were their only guests and the lady running it made great breakfasts.  She was Danish.  She directed us to a restaurant three blocks away that was so good we ate there every night, which we never do.  We did a B&B in Avignon that was reasonable, we had 6 people total, it had 3 BDRs, ended up about $200 a night, but no breakfast.  I can stay at any Hilton "for free" but some of the ones we really liked have changed hands (in France).

Staying with friends and cousins is often an option for us.  The only hotel room I booked for 3 weeks if the Hilton at CDG before we fly out.

I have never flown from ATL to CDG, I wonder if we still get horrible gate assignments, probably do.  We have four flights a day here.
When we went overseas we used an app called Homeway and rented an apartment rather than a hotel room. Much nicer and much cheaper. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on April 23, 2019, 09:43:22 AM
That is the wrong answer.
Yeah I gotta agree with OAM here.
"Absolutely, honey, I can't freaking WAIT!" is about the only acceptable answer here.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on April 23, 2019, 09:44:20 AM
When we went overseas we used an app called Homeway and rented an apartment rather than a hotel room. Much nicer and much cheaper.
You can get lots of deals using HomeAway (VRBO) or other similar services.  And I like those for family vacation rentals, things like beach-houses and ski cabins.
But honestly, when traveling abroad with just my i s c & a aggie wife, I prefer staying in hotels.  I like the concierge service, room service, maid service, on-site bars and restaurants, all those full-service details that come with staying in a hotel.  Exceptions would be things like renting a villa in Tuscany, or a chalet in France, but to date we haven't had the time (or $$$) to commit to one place long enough to do something like that.  Maybe in a few years, or after I win the lotto...
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 23, 2019, 10:06:09 AM
We're doing all B&B's on this trip. I don't need the services because I know where I'm going and know what I want to do. This will end up being about 1/3 the cost of our last trip to Italy. I'll say that it was nice being in ***** hotels, but man, that was expensive.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 23, 2019, 10:23:31 AM
Another beautiful day in the neighborhood.  We had our neighbor, the now retired Tech professor, for dinner last night hearing about his travels.  We're going to walk to his office down at Tech to see the physics building.  He's a really interesting fellow.  He is just back from a cruise from Tierra del Fuego to Capetown, and then he visited Zambia.  He has some amazing photographs, some really high end gear.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: GopherRock on April 23, 2019, 12:22:27 PM
We're doing all B&B's on this trip. I don't need the services because I know where I'm going and know what I want to do. This will end up being about 1/3 the cost of our last trip to Italy. I'll say that it was nice being in ***** hotels, but man, that was expensive.
Once you get back, send me some details. We're going to Italy for our honeymoon over the Christmas/New Years break this winter. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 23, 2019, 02:53:10 PM
Back from my walk with the professor.  The Tech campus is a LOT nicer than it was in 1972, some very nice open areas, feels more like a college environment than a place stuck in where space allowed.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 23, 2019, 05:48:36 PM
So, it looks like we're going to Turkey next May.  And maybe Greece.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on April 23, 2019, 10:00:26 PM
Prepping the house for listing, and yeah moving sucks, packing, blah blah, but the one thing that i'm learning to hate,  finding the color match for a small piece of trim for which you have barely any idea what the color is on the window trim or ceilings.   I've got a few decent chips, and hope that gets it done.  I'm sure the color names have been re done.   I've got 4/6 I need.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on April 24, 2019, 04:51:14 PM
Is repainting all the trim a possibility?  Might be worth it in appealing to potential buyers.  Anyway, I feel your pain, we were going to sell our previous house and I did a lot of that work.  Then we decided to keep it and rent it out, and it showed very well and brought in a much better class of renters.

Also doesn't hurt that it's a block away from Apple's massive and ever-expanding campus in NW Austin.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on April 24, 2019, 05:06:48 PM
Moving at my age was extremely difficult for me.  It obviously isn't like the old days of yore when we'd call a few friends and get a UHaul truck and some pizzas.

At least I had moved from my house a few years earlier and had to get rid of a lot of stuff then.  I dumped quite a bit on my daughter this time, the mower and fertilizer and garden stuff.

The moving in was a pain.  I rented a UHaul truck to carry my "valuables" down here, mostly wine and sound system and important documents.  I just got an email from Delta telling me it's almost time to go.  It's a week off.  We can upgrade to Delta One for something like $29,000.  Or so.

I like it here where we live, I don't much want to travel any more.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Riffraft on April 24, 2019, 06:22:01 PM
Moving at my age was extremely difficult for me.  It obviously isn't like the old days of yore when we'd call a few friends and get a UHaul truck and some pizzas.

At least I had moved from my house a few years earlier and had to get rid of a lot of stuff then.  I dumped quite a bit on my daughter this time, the mower and fertilizer and garden stuff.

The moving in was a pain.  I rented a UHaul truck to carry my "valuables" down here, mostly wine and sound system and important documents.  I just got an email from Delta telling me it's almost time to go.  It's a week off.  We can upgrade to Delta One for something like $29,000.  Or so.

I like it here where we live, I don't much want to travel any more.
Not sure how old you are, but I agree moving at my age is difficult. So when I move last August I hired a moving company to move me for the first time. All other moves were u-haul with friends and family. I even had them take down the beds and put them back up. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on April 24, 2019, 09:57:59 PM
If we did all the trim, then imo, it might create a "why didn't you repaint the walls", and they still look good.   The guys did a nice job and probably did a much better job matching than I would have done.  These kids rooms will likely be painted anyways by new owners, unless they have 2 girls and one boy or some variation with no more than one boy.   The guest room is boy ready.

House is 14yrs.  I don't think Badger did any damage while visiting.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on April 25, 2019, 10:35:59 PM
I hear ya on the "give 'em an inch, they'll take a mile."  We tried to keep our costs way down on the prep for turning our previous home into a rental.  Fortunately I'd already done a ton of renovation on it, including renter-friendly things like converting almost all of the carpet into laminate flooring (that I bought on the cheap and installed myself).  Overall we've kept it on a really tight budget and we're seeing fantastic ROI.

We just had some great tenants of about 5 years move out of our rental, and although they took very good care of it, it's now had 8 years of wear and tear since we move out.  I took the opportunity to have our painters come in and repaint all the walls (not the trim), and scrape all of the popcorn ceilings.  That would need to be done anyway, when we eventually sell the property way down the line, and we got a great deal from my painter/contractor since we were doing all the work at once. I have to say the house right now looks better than at any time when we lived in it, and I loved that house, it was our starter.  Our tenants are lucky, lucky people. :)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 01, 2019, 07:49:57 PM
Big police standoff in Newport Beach right now after a police chase. Apparently it's a guy who is armed and wanted on a "no-bail" warrant. 

Of course, it's in the parking lot of my wife's employer. She's not in any danger, but it's annoying that she's stuck at work and can't leave (it's now 20 minutes past normal closure of the office) because we're trying to figure out what this joker's gonna do. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MichiFan87 on May 02, 2019, 12:18:15 AM
Early returns on self-employment are very encouraging.... Not much work yet, but what I've gotten is rather lucrative for the time it took, and it sounds like there's a lot in the pipeline from at least one of the entrepreneurs that I'm working with.... It's surreal but very empowering that I can wake up at 9, start working by 10 without having to get dressed and be done by 4 most of the time. I'm sure that'll change as I get busier, but for now it works well.... The main downside is that because I live in a somewhat inconvenient part of DC, it's not as convenient to get downtown for any evening events compared to if I were still working in the contract job. That's a minor complaint, of course, though.... Longer-term, it also won't be nearly as easy to get a mortgage to finally buy a place, either, since I understand most lenders want at least a year's worth of proven income for self-employed people.

Conversely, unfortunately the dating scene has been very disappointing. Of course, not wanting kids is a disadvantage for me, but I've still only had one date so far. Consequently, I'm refocusing my goals in my personal life into other areas....
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on May 02, 2019, 01:51:46 AM
I was in DC earlier this week (usually visit 2-3xs per year).  Place is teeming with activity.   Amazing to see some of these neighborhoods turn around so quickly.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MichiFan87 on May 02, 2019, 12:05:16 PM
I was in DC earlier this week (usually visit 2-3xs per year).  Place is teeming with activity.  Amazing to see some of these neighborhoods turn around so quickly.
For sure. The first time I lived in DC 3 years ago, I lived in the Navy Yard and rarely ventured too far past U St NW or H St NE. Now I realize how overpriced the neighborhoods near downtown are, and this time I live in an area that used to be considered dangerous on the northern side of the city, and now it's safe and surprisingly affordable compared to nicer areas. There's not much to do in the immediate neighborhood, but the bus system makes it easy enough to get downtown and the nearest Metro stops.... The only dangerous areas left are primarily just on the other side of the Anacostia, and even those are getting nicer.... Of course, Amazon moving into Arlington/Alexandria is only exacerbating concerns about gentrification, though....
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on May 03, 2019, 12:10:33 PM
Damn, Tim Bliss, whose account must have had hundreds of full college football games, had his YouTube channel shut down over copyright issues.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 03, 2019, 12:18:02 PM
dern!
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 03, 2019, 10:28:51 PM
The wife ordered 50 g of caviar at lunch yesterday in Paris, 166 euros, nearly $200.

For fish eggs not big enough for a small omelette.

Rotisserie is not the thing that goes round and round in French.  Huh.  It's a shop.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 03, 2019, 10:58:52 PM
must be some VERY tasty fish eggs

I've had caviar on someone else's tab.  Not bad, but not something I search out and pay a ton of $$$ for.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 03, 2019, 11:00:22 PM
Lunch was already pricey.  She insisted I try some.  Meh.

Oh well.

Chilly and rainy here, no yellow jackets though.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 03, 2019, 11:08:39 PM
something to be thankful about
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 04, 2019, 02:17:23 AM
Just ate a fresh croissant, yum.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 04, 2019, 08:31:53 AM
I'm mixing bloody marys for the golf course.

Grad party at 1pm, so it's morning golf today

FORE!!!
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on May 04, 2019, 08:52:10 AM
The wife ordered 50 g of caviar at lunch yesterday in Paris, 166 euros, nearly $200.
You deserve it for egging her on
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on May 04, 2019, 08:53:37 AM
I'm mixing bloody marys for the golf course.

Grad party at 1pm, so it's morning golf today

FORE!!!
Good walk or stumble ruined
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: TyphonInc on May 04, 2019, 07:22:18 PM
May the 4th be with you.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 05, 2019, 08:53:05 AM
Good walk or stumble ruined
there may have been a few stumbles at the grad party
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 05, 2019, 01:09:13 PM
It's damn cold in Italy. The weather has been pretty crappy for the last few days. Snow here in Peschiara Del Garda last night. F'ing BS.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 05, 2019, 01:14:29 PM
Another Southern California Homebrew Festival in the books. There were a few stumbles this weekend lol. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 05, 2019, 03:09:17 PM
Headed to La Baule near Nante tomorrow, still chilly, cold here tonight, not going out at all, ill prepared for this weather.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 05, 2019, 03:33:33 PM
I'm going to try Ramadaning, just to see if I can.  No eating or drinking from sunrise to sunset for a month.  I figure I'll save some money and lose a few pounds.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 05, 2019, 06:04:23 PM
I'd wake early and retire after dark
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on May 05, 2019, 07:25:34 PM
I'm going to try Ramadaning, just to see if I can.  No eating or drinking from sunrise to sunset for a month.  I figure I'll save some money and lose a few pounds. 

Well you could have tried that during Lent......just sayin'
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on May 05, 2019, 09:41:11 PM
Attended a First Holy Communion Mass today which had 70 first communicants.   Communion took 35 minutes for the entire crowd of parishioners.   Much longer than any other high attendance Mass, which would typically be Easter, Palm Sunday, or Christmas.

I struggled mightily with giving up coffee one year. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on May 05, 2019, 10:58:18 PM
One year ?the Lord himself would not demand thatThe Super natural big Guy loves humanity - religion not so much IMHO
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 06, 2019, 12:58:37 AM
Well you could have tried that during Lent......just sayin'
Yeah, but that's so common.  Doing it Muslim-style is more unique.  It's all gibberish anyway.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: GopherRock on May 06, 2019, 08:34:07 AM
Attended a First Holy Communion Mass today which had 70 first communicants.  Communion took 35 minutes for the entire crowd of parishioners.  Much longer than any other high attendance Mass, which would typically be Easter, Palm Sunday, or Christmas.

I struggled mightily with giving up coffee one year.

I once went to a regular Sunday Mass where, unbeknownst to me, there were 13 babies on the docket to baptize. On top of that, each set of parents/godparents needed to answer the question set seperately for each kid. It took nearly 2 hours to get through that Mass. Needless to say, I didn't go there again.

The Archdiocese brings all their religious-ed confirmands to either the Cathedral in St Paul or Basilica in Minneapolis for their confirmations. While it means the bishops don't need to ride circuit, and they can crank through a lot of confirmations in a weekend, it does have an assembly-line vibe to the whole operation.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on May 07, 2019, 08:27:02 AM
On the really busy church days-- Christmas and Easter primarily-- when the pastor gives the part of the closing where he asks for anyone that wants to join the church, or anyone that wants to be baptized, I make sure to look around and give the evil eye to anyone that even LOOKS like they're thinking about standing up and doing something like that.  There are plenty of other days to get that business done, but a day when the service is already 30 minutes too long is NOT one of them.

I'm only partially kidding... :)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 07, 2019, 09:14:11 AM
So you take the time to wake up, get dressed, and go enrich yourself spiritually...but can't be bothered if it takes a few hours?  

The day religion dies will be the first peaceful day man has ever known.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 07, 2019, 10:40:50 AM
donchu blaspheme up in here!
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on May 07, 2019, 07:56:42 PM
I'm not complaining about the length of mass on my niece's first communion, only noting how long it is relative to other busy mass days.   The First Communion Mass is a special 2:30 pm mass, so its not like the regular parishioners came in and were surprised by this.

For the record, the longest Catholic service (its technically not a mass, as the Eucharist is not celebrated) (in my personal history) are always Good Friday.  Its the veneration of the Cross which contributes to the length of the service.

Any Eastern Orthodox wedding service can be long.  My older brother's was over 2 hours, and I was told by the wife's side that it was 'short'.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CatsbyAZ on May 07, 2019, 08:40:44 PM
Places I’ve been offered cocaine (unsolicited, declining all offers) in order, no context:

Blacksburg VA
Las Vegas NV (obviously)
Blacksburg VA
Hollywood FL (obviously?)
Biloxi MS
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on May 07, 2019, 08:52:47 PM
I remember when Bruce Bochy was managing the Padres and his team blew a game to the Brewers he was so ticked he decided to walk from Miller Park back to the Pfister Hotel downtown, about 5 miles.  He said he was offered cocaine and was approached by hookers.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 07, 2019, 09:58:00 PM
cocaine and hookers go together
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on May 08, 2019, 03:19:39 PM
So you take the time to wake up, get dressed, and go enrich yourself spiritually...but can't be bothered if it takes a few hours? 

The day religion dies will be the first peaceful day man has ever known.
Lighten up Francis just because it's not your thing doesn't mean others can't find it rewarding.Excuse me for interrupting your ramadan observances
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 08, 2019, 05:42:41 PM
some folks find a reason to starve themselves

some folks find a reason to enjoy cocaine and hookers
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 08, 2019, 07:31:20 PM
So I'm not ramadaning, sore throat makes not drinking for 15 straight hours untenable.  Plus my job requires me to talk a lot.  Oh well.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 08, 2019, 07:35:46 PM
Florida signs up for a home-and-home with Colorado!  Betcha a dollar it's because they have the same color scheme as UCF....
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 08, 2019, 08:18:53 PM
some folks find a reason to starve themselves

some folks find a reason to enjoy cocaine and hookers
You know, with an intermittent fasting diet, you can do both...
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 09, 2019, 09:59:12 AM
not much time or reason to eat when the party is going strong!
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on May 10, 2019, 08:23:42 AM
So you take the time to wake up, get dressed, and go enrich yourself spiritually...but can't be bothered if it takes a few hours? 

The day religion dies will be the first peaceful day man has ever known.
People fight over money-- resources.  Religion is sometimes a front for it.  Most times it is not.  As long as humans remain human there will never be a peaceful day on earth.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on May 10, 2019, 09:04:20 AM
Yep.  Drop into any flame-war on the WWW.  Religion is usually not the issue.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on May 10, 2019, 10:22:05 AM
Shoot, C-Dubb and I have our knock-down drag-out fights about college football, of all things. ;)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on May 10, 2019, 10:23:21 AM
Yeah.  Who could ever figure that?

On a college football message board, of all thing.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on May 10, 2019, 04:01:05 PM
Yep.  Drop into any flame-war on the WWW.  Religion is usually not the issue.
Well sure, but you want to stir things up with people, tell them that their fundamental understanding of their own existence is wrong. Not just wrong, but horribly wrong. Not hard to see why it's one of those topics you're supposed to stay away from in polite conversation...and college football message boards. :-)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on May 10, 2019, 04:13:44 PM
Well sure, but you want to stir things up with people, tell them that their fundamental understanding of their own existence is wrong. Not just wrong, but horribly wrong. Not hard to see why it's one of those topics you're supposed to stay away from in polite conversation...and college football message boards. :-)
That's what he said, college football.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on May 10, 2019, 04:22:20 PM
That's what he said, college football.
fair. :)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on May 10, 2019, 07:10:46 PM
Well sure, but you want to stir things up with people, tell them that their fundamental understanding of their own existence is wrong. Not just wrong, but horribly wrong. Not hard to see why it's one of those topics you're supposed to stay away from in polite conversation...and college football message boards. :-)
SFBadge:
I think you are confusing my comments with those of someone else.  OAM's comments on religion, perhaps? ~???
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on May 10, 2019, 08:03:20 PM
No doubt OAM's comment was the one that initially raised my eyebrows (and spurred my comment about college football boards). Responding to you, I was just suggesting that people don't seem to need religion to devolve into flame wars, but it sure doesn't hurt. :-)

But I'm not mad at anybody and I hope you didn't take it that way. I rarely am around here.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 11, 2019, 12:54:46 AM
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fundamental misunderstanding of their own existence
Suggesting a certain topic is impolite to discuss is a great way to avoid progress in the topic.  And as such, those topics MUST be discussed.




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On a college football note, Florida is finally turning over a new leaf and has agreed to another h&h:  Colorado and now Texas.  Paradigm shift in the scheduling policies of the Gators.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 11, 2019, 09:26:51 AM
a good shift

corngrats
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 11, 2019, 05:44:05 PM
Last night: scallops over leek risotto with lemon brown butter sauce. Damn this was good.

(https://scontent-sjc3-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/bd032452ca943776f7c888f4b3381c59/5D5E0786/t51.2885-15/e35/58411035_303597427224776_5863119986412995798_n.jpg?_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.cdninstagram.com)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 12, 2019, 09:09:14 AM
better than the burger I had

but, it was a good burger
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 13, 2019, 09:25:50 AM
Last night: scallops over leek risotto with lemon brown butter sauce. Damn this was good.

(https://scontent-sjc3-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/bd032452ca943776f7c888f4b3381c59/5D5E0786/t51.2885-15/e35/58411035_303597427224776_5863119986412995798_n.jpg?_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.cdninstagram.com)
Had a similar dish to that in Civitavecchia on the trip. Yeah, it was good.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on May 13, 2019, 09:46:09 AM
sea scallops are a staple on the coast here... i'm a fan.  i don't like bay scallops, though- they are like taking a bite out of the ocean they're so salty.  and tiny.  

one thing that is funny in that subject, though- you've got to be careful where you source your sea scallops... some unscrupulous folks catch skate (a tiny manta ray looking fish) and shove a sharpened pipe through them rendering somewhat round chunks of white flesh that appear to be scallops- and sell them as such. 

sea scallops take on whatever flavor is adjacent them easily.  because of that they ought not be prepared with dominant flavors unless that is your intent.  I absolutely love them saute'd in real butter and touch of olive oil, and place ATOP pasta and alfredo.  perhaps with a little bit of crispy bacon crushed and sprinkled over.  some chives.  some cracked black pepper.  simple and really good.  damnnnnit... guess what i'll be having for dinner now?  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on May 13, 2019, 12:28:27 PM
Browns sign LJ Scott as a free agent - like it.And Cavs sign John Beilein as head Coach,so Michigan-Michigan State connections in town
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on May 14, 2019, 11:59:21 AM
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fundamental misunderstanding of their own existence
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On a college football note, Florida is finally turning over a new leaf and has agreed to another h&h:  Colorado and now Texas.  Paradigm shift in the scheduling policies of the Gators.

I am 100% certain that openly discussing religion on this internet message board will result in absolutely no change in the viewpoints of the posters on this message board.  Consequently, zero "progress" (whatever the heck THAT means to you) would be made on the topic, in this particular forum.

There are other, better places to discuss these things-- specifically in-person and face-to-face, where the anonymity of the internet is removed and people are forced to interact with one another in completely personal and far more meaningful ways, rather than the memes, tropes, and generalizations invariably associated with internet-based discussions, from the inception of internet communication, to this very moment.

But on a college football note, I'm delighted to have Florida and Texas schedule a home-and-home, should be a great series even if it is somewhat distant in the future.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 14, 2019, 01:38:11 PM
So Purdue president Mitch Daniels said this as part of his speech to graduates (https://www.jconline.com/story/news/2019/05/10/mitch-daniels-new-purdue-grads-let-them-know-antonym-snowflake-boilermaker/1171910001/):


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Some in today’s world think they have discovered something new in the concept of “grit.” A Harvard Business School article just last fall was titled “Organizational Grit,” and reported that “High achievers have extraordinary stamina. ... When easier paths beckon, their commitment is steadfast. Grit predicts who will accomplish challenging goals.” So that’s why a Harvard MBA costs 200 grand.

Maybe this is all revelatory at Harvard. In our part of the country, it’s not news. The slogan of the Whiteland (Indiana) High School Class of 1930 was “Grit Wins.”  It could be a slogan at Purdue every year. I’m tempted to call Roget’s Thesaurus and let them know the antonym of “snowflake” is “Boilermaker.”


And of course, almost like clockwork, some snowflake took umbrage (https://www.jconline.com/story/news/opinion/letters/2019/05/13/purdue-prof-mitch-daniels-snowflake-comment-out-line-commencement-speech/1186755001/).


PoA...
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: rolltidefan on May 15, 2019, 03:22:05 PM
is this where we discuss recent movies and issues we have with them, or is there a cinema thread?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 15, 2019, 03:33:53 PM
is this where we discuss recent movies and issues we have with them, or is there a cinema thread?
I don't think we have a movies thread. Seems as good a place as any.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 16, 2019, 09:54:11 AM
or, you could push some traffic to the Big 12 board
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on May 16, 2019, 11:08:36 AM
I like movies.  And I really love the theaters with tables that serve food and beverages.  That's the only way I'll see a movie anymore.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on May 16, 2019, 11:55:29 AM
Ok then...I was surprisingly happy with Avengers End Game. Sure, there are things to quibble with, but I thought it was very well done, hitting a lot of great character arc and philosophical points.

Captain Marvel was a fine movie. Not especially good, not especially bad, just ok. It had some nice points, but wasn't especially compelling. Having said that, the people without Y chromosomes in my house liked it a lot more, which--to me--is as much a commentary on the dearth of quality women hero movies, as it is on the movie itself.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 16, 2019, 12:37:58 PM
I just have never gotten into the comic book movie thing... 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on May 16, 2019, 12:54:56 PM
I love the comic book movies. And Star Wars movies.  And Lord of the Rings movies.  And Harry Potter movies. Those are the kinds I really enjoy seeing on the big screen.

I also really enjoy a lot of indie and art films, but those I tend to watch at home. Usually alone, because my i s c & a aggie wife would honestly rather watch a Michael Bay explosion movie, than any indie or art film. :)

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on May 16, 2019, 12:57:26 PM
I too really liked Endgame, and thought it wrapped up the stories well.  We'll get a handful of movies from some of the castmembers, but I'm legitimately sad that the overall stories are coming to an end.  Same way I felt when LOTR wrapped up.

I was fine with Captain Marvel, it was cool seeing young Nick Fury and Coulson.  My 11yo daughter absolutely loved it, and she loved Wonder Woman too, and for her sake I'm glad they're making some (at least) decent movies with female superhero leads.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: rolltidefan on May 16, 2019, 01:49:56 PM
Moved to movie thread
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on May 16, 2019, 04:23:42 PM
I was fine with Captain Marvel, it was cool seeing young Nick Fury and Coulson.  My 11yo daughter absolutely loved it, and she loved Wonder Woman too, and for her sake I'm glad they're making some (at least) decent movies with female superhero leads.
Agreed, though I thought Wonder Woman was a legitimately great movie.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on May 16, 2019, 04:29:45 PM
Agreed, though I thought Wonder Woman was a legitimately great movie.
Yeah, that's why I said "at least" decent.  I think WW was more than that. Not sure if I'd call it "great" but certainly very good and by far the best of the recent DC movies (though I liked Justice League and Aquaman more than most folks did, it would seem from my conversations with others).
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 16, 2019, 05:34:43 PM
I get dragged to a movie once a year or so. There must be leather chairs so I can wipe them down before sitting.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 16, 2019, 06:32:47 PM
I actually don't go to a lot of movies. But when we do, it's always the fancy theater with a full bar and reclining seats. 

Unless we've got the kids. Then we slum it. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on May 16, 2019, 06:45:58 PM
I got to probably 4 movies per year-- the really big releases, like I mentioned earlier.  And I definitely only go to the theater with the fancy seats and food and drink service.

In fact, I really only go to The Alamo Drafthouse, because they are EXTREMELY strict about no talking/no texting/no general jackassery.  They will throw people out for it.  They have a whole series of awesome PSAs that run before each movie about it, like these:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpew-IfW6JQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpew-IfW6JQ)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=159aC5YSio4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=159aC5YSio4)


Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on May 16, 2019, 07:00:10 PM
Oh man. If only. SFIrish is awesome in many ways, but she talks all the time during movies. Drives me (and the not-so-littles) insane!
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on May 16, 2019, 09:03:11 PM
100 glorious days of off season remain. Make 'em each count. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 16, 2019, 10:07:20 PM
I get dragged to a movie once a year or so. 
not me
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 16, 2019, 11:05:16 PM
Oh man. If only. SFIrish is awesome in many ways, but she talks all the time during movies. Drives me (and the not-so-littles) insane!
Does she ask you questions about the movie as if you know what's going on? 

"I don't know why he got in the cab, honey, I have the same information you have." 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 16, 2019, 11:48:35 PM
hah,

"I know why he got in the cab, honey, I have the same information you have."  pay attention
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on May 17, 2019, 07:48:09 AM
Oh man. If only. SFIrish is awesome in many ways, but she talks all the time during movies. Drives me (and the not-so-littles) insane!
You have Alamo Drafthouse in San Francisco.  Just go there, and if she talks, they'll take her ass out. :)

https://drafthouse.com/sf


( (https://drafthouse.com/sf)You could even raise the card to alert the waitstaff yourself, and she'd never know ;) )
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 17, 2019, 12:30:47 PM
Have bronchitis.  They say a doctor can see me in two weeks.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 17, 2019, 12:34:48 PM
still in France?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 17, 2019, 12:37:47 PM
Have bronchitis.  They say a doctor can see me in two weeks.

I got that too, on the plane back from Italy, or in Italy. Probably the plane. I saw my doctor in 3 minutes, but I'm home now.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 17, 2019, 12:46:38 PM
In France another week, mostly in bet I reckon.

Have some nice photos in Brittany before the illness.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on May 17, 2019, 05:20:48 PM
But then I'd have to hear about the indignity of it...

Life is an earthly toil.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on May 17, 2019, 09:33:13 PM
Putting house on market next week.   Moving sucks.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 17, 2019, 10:38:48 PM
I can't wait to mess up your new kitchen.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 18, 2019, 08:13:47 AM
moving sucks but you can get rid of some of the accumulated clutter

I've been in my small house for 30 years
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on May 18, 2019, 08:30:08 AM
This is true.  I suppose it has helped moving after 10 yrs, to keep it lean.  It's all the grunt work to get house showing ready that blows.  The 10yr old gets it she watches hgtv,  the 7 yr old on the other hand...
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on May 18, 2019, 08:37:22 AM
I used to love HGTV.  They had all of those great DIY shows, which is my jam.  Now it seems like it's all reality competition shows and whatnot.  I'm way less interested in that.  Even DIY network has moved away from the DIY stuff.  

Anyway yes moving sucks. Our last move was 7 years ago, there are still 2 boxes in the attic that I haven't touched.  No idea what's in them.  

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on May 18, 2019, 10:42:09 AM
Our last move was 7 years ago, there are still 2 boxes in the attic that I haven't touched.  No idea what's in them. 


Prolly some Live Oak Pilz and Tito's,shame really
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 18, 2019, 10:51:10 AM
might be the wife's aggie gear
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 18, 2019, 10:54:03 AM
off the the Inn for a couple schooners to warm up for the golf course!!!

FORE!!!!
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on May 18, 2019, 11:02:17 AM
Dare I say it's hot this morning.   Kids worn down from pool party yesterday.   Going to get rid of the last remaining hazardous materials.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on May 18, 2019, 02:50:51 PM
off the the Inn for a couple schooners to warm up for the golf course!!!

FORE!!!!
No such thing - one's too many a 1000 not enough
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 18, 2019, 03:28:37 PM
This is true.  I suppose it has helped moving after 10 yrs, to keep it lean.  It's all the grunt work to get house showing ready that blows.  The 10yr old gets it she watches hgtv,  the 7 yr old on the other hand...

I was able to radically reduce clutter when I moved in the divorce, and the new lady is much leaner than the old one too ;-) 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 18, 2019, 09:51:34 PM
No such thing - one's too many a 1000 not enough
true
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 19, 2019, 08:10:15 AM
Moving about killed me.  It gets tougher as you age.  All my flying gear disappeared somehow.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 19, 2019, 09:51:38 AM
I plan one move after retirement

someplace near a golf course and Utee's backyard

I won't take much, but it will be too much
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on May 19, 2019, 03:50:42 PM
94 will prolly be down sizing 5 years after you move in
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on May 19, 2019, 04:00:15 PM
 All my flying gear disappeared somehow.


DB Cooper has finally slipped up
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 19, 2019, 04:16:07 PM
five years of good eats is a plus

5 years after I retire I'll be old enough to go back to soft food
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on May 19, 2019, 04:46:15 PM
Soft Pretzels are good with Bud Fat.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 19, 2019, 05:58:16 PM
yes, they are
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 19, 2019, 11:04:01 PM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/ULlYHjfRijvGM/giphy.gif)
Just seeing if the click-and-drag works....
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 19, 2019, 11:22:12 PM
seems to work
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 20, 2019, 12:56:57 PM
Some of the lower cost wines over here are pretty good, though my nose is not working so well, so mebbe that's it.

Last night here, then one night at airport hotel, and early flight back.  Not coughing as much now.  Drove into town for a bit, most everything closed on Monday.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 20, 2019, 01:36:09 PM
Jersey countdown from #99 this summer?

Getting close
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on May 20, 2019, 09:09:51 PM
One of them was Fro, but who was that bald guy? 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: GopherRock on May 20, 2019, 11:12:21 PM
I took the afternoon off work and went over to Jane Sage Cowles Stadium to watch the Gopher softball team play in the regional final. After genuinely rotten weather all weekend, nothing but brilliant sunshine today. They dispatched Georgia and advance to the Super Regionals.

I also wasn't used to the Battle Hymn of the Republic used as a fight song. Usually that's played by the Gopher band after the Gophers have swept a hockey series.  I find it odd that multiple universities in the deep Confederacy use a bluebelly rally cry as their fight song. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 21, 2019, 12:31:11 AM
I took the afternoon off work and went over to Jane Sage Cowles Stadium to watch the Gopher softball team play in the regional final. After genuinely rotten weather all weekend, nothing but brilliant sunshine today. They dispatched Georgia and advance to the Super Regionals.

I also wasn't used to the Battle Hymn of the Republic used as a fight song. Usually that's played by the Gopher band after the Gophers have swept a hockey series.  I find it odd that multiple universities in the deep Confederacy use a bluebelly rally cry as their fight song.
Well, nothing about UGA is original, and it borrows from the north.  G on the helmet - Green Bay's.  Bulldog mascot - Yale's.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: fezzador on May 21, 2019, 08:53:17 AM
Well, nothing about UGA is original, and it borrows from the north.  G on the helmet - Green Bay's.  Bulldog mascot - Yale's. 
And Athens is a city in Greece :)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 21, 2019, 09:56:51 AM
UGA was around before the Packers and that music, but not Athens, Greece.

REM.  Wide Spread distress.  B52s.  The US Constitution.  Etc.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on May 21, 2019, 10:00:44 AM
OU took the tune of its fight song from Yale, so it turns out land isn't the only thing they steal. :)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 21, 2019, 10:02:12 AM
A good fight song is good.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 21, 2019, 10:47:30 AM
Shirley having hedges around your field is singular, no?  And an east west orientation?

And the red and black, no?  Did I mention Herschel Walker?

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on May 21, 2019, 12:08:58 PM
I was talking about this with a realtor.   Virtually nothing is original.  Much of life's ideas and work product is inspired by others.  Home design is another.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on May 21, 2019, 12:48:43 PM
OU took the tune of its fight song from Yale, so it turns out land isn't the only thing they steal. :)
Only part of it is from Yale.  The other part is from North Carolina.
Neither part is stolen from "I've Been Workin' on the Railroad," though.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 21, 2019, 12:50:23 PM
 Did I mention Herschel Walker?


or Sir Francis Tarkenton?  He played high school football in Athens and kicked the crap outta the GB Packers
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on May 21, 2019, 12:55:57 PM
Shirley having hedges around your field is singular, no?  And an east west orientation?

And the red and black, no?  Did I mention Herschel Walker?
I didn't know about Sanford Stadium's E-W orientation, but it's not singular.
Boone Pickens Stadium in Stillwater, Oklahoma, is so oriented.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on May 21, 2019, 01:17:18 PM
Shirley having hedges around your field is singular, no?  And an east west orientation?


Are most CFB Stadiums aligned N-S?Never noticed,Is it a big deal?I know the field at Old Cleveland Stadium was E-W alignment,not sure about the newer one
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 21, 2019, 01:21:19 PM
Memorial in Lincoln is north-south
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on May 21, 2019, 02:05:02 PM
Are most CFB Stadiums aligned N-S?Never noticed,Is it a big deal?I know the field at Old Cleveland Stadium was E-W alignment,not sure about the newer one

Yes, almost exclusively N-S.  Otherwise the sun could become a major factor, rising or setting in one endzone and not the other.

(and yes I know football games aren't typically played at sunrise, but it could still be a factor in 11 AM games, especially later in the season)  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on May 21, 2019, 02:06:53 PM
Only part of it is from Yale.  The other part is from North Carolina.
Neither part is stolen from "I've Been Workin' on the Railroad," though.
ZING!
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 21, 2019, 02:32:52 PM
EW is unusual, but neither unique nor original, nor is hedges.

Whatever.  Our originality, which is over rated anyway, is in our ability to adapt, persevere, and overcome, unless playing Bama.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Riffraft on May 21, 2019, 02:37:09 PM
Yes, almost exclusively N-S.  Otherwise the sun could become a major factor, rising or setting in one endzone and not the other.

(and yes I know football games aren't typically played at sunrise, but it could still be a factor in 11 AM games, especially later in the season) 
And it is a killer for us, football officials when you work the sideline that is starting directly in the sun. you pull your hat down low and don't look up to high and just endure until the sun goes down behind the stands. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 21, 2019, 02:40:49 PM
VERY strange commercial just on for Special K.

Now one for Coke.  Now Croustibat fish sticks.  Now Superwoman.

Commercials are all 15 seconds.

Now Amazon, seriously.  Delivery free.

Now green bean baby food, Bio.

Now for Opel.  Which once was GM.  Not very popular, seeing more Kia's around.

Now a Renault Twingo.

San Pelligigrino, very popular.

Back to the news.  Weather still cool, some soccer burfle.  Some dude with man bun cleaning out a trash can.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on May 21, 2019, 04:15:25 PM
And it is a killer for us, football officials when you work the sideline that is starting directly in the sun. you pull your hat down low and don't look up to high and just endure until the sun goes down behind the stands.
Well sure.  The fans, in the stands, are in the same boat. Only, being up higher, the sun doesn't dip behind the west-side stands as quickly.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 21, 2019, 04:48:32 PM
that's why ya smear some ashes or black grease under yer eyes
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on May 21, 2019, 06:47:42 PM
LSU stadium is more NW-SE which makes total sense since they love wearing white at home, marking 5yard line numerals and playing at night as much as possible. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on May 21, 2019, 07:05:25 PM
that's why ya smear some ashes or black grease under yer eyes
Or in the 'Skers case to hide all the black eyes ;D
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 21, 2019, 08:14:49 PM
I don't suppose you will "sack up" and travel to Lincoln this season to see them fer yerself???
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 21, 2019, 09:07:52 PM
Big Ten Tournament

TD Ameritrade Park • Omaha, Neb.

Wednesday, May 22 • 9 p.m. (CT)

#5 Nebraska (28-20, 15-9 Big Ten) vs. #4 Minnesota (26-25, 15-9 Big Ten)
Matt Waldron (5-3) vs. Patrick Fredrickson (2-3) 


Other First Round Games
Wednesday, May 22 • 9 a.m. (CT)
#3 Illinois vs. #6 Maryland


Wednesday, May 22 • 1 p.m. (CT)
#2 Michigan vs. #7 Ohio State


Wednesday, May 22 • 5 p.m. (CT)
#1 Indiana vs. #8 Iowa


The Nebraska baseball team (28-20, 15-9 Big Ten) travels to Omaha this week for the Big Ten Tournament at TD Ameritrade Park.

The Huskers, who earned the No. 5 seed in the tournament after tying for third in the final regular-season standings, open the tournament against No. 4 seed Minnesota (26-25, 15-9 Big Ten) on Wednesday at 9 p.m. (CT). Every game of the eight-team, double elimination Big Ten Tournament will be televised on the Big Ten Network.
Nebraska is making its seventh Big Ten Tournament appearance in eight years since joining the conference before the 2012 season. The Huskers have taken runner-up honors twice, falling in the championship game to Indiana in 2013 in Minneapolis and 2014 in Omaha. The only season Nebraska didn’t qualify for the Big Ten Tournament was in 2018.

TD Ameritrade Park will host the Big Ten Tournament for the fourth time in 2019 after previously serving as the venue for the event in 2014, 2016 and 2018. The Big Ten Tournament will return to TD Ameritrade Park from 2020 to 2022.


Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on May 22, 2019, 01:22:15 AM
ZING!
In the words of Chris Matthews, I thought you'd get a thrill up your leg with that!
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Hawkinole on May 22, 2019, 01:59:13 AM
Are most CFB Stadiums aligned N-S?Never noticed,Is it a big deal?I know the field at Old Cleveland Stadium was E-W alignment,not sure about the newer one
Kinnick is N-S. My old high school stadium is N-S. The high school stadium in our little 5,000 population town is N-S. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Hawkinole on May 22, 2019, 02:02:38 AM
As long as we are talking about orientation (geographical, that is). MLB rule 1.04 "THE PLAYING FIELD: It is desirable that the line from home base through the pitchers plate to second base shall run East Northeast."

This shows a graphic of AL parks. The rule is largely, but not entirely ignored by modern architects. http://www.baseball-almanac.com/stadium/ballpark_NSEW_AL.shtml (http://www.baseball-almanac.com/stadium/ballpark_NSEW_AL.shtml) Here is an even better graphic:

(https://www.cfb51.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hardballtimes.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F07%2FBallParkOrientation2.jpg&hash=20f3ad9bd67c3899421bbee97745d4d1) (http://www.hardballtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/BallParkOrientation2.jpg)
https://tht.fangraphs.com/lost-in-the-sun-the-physics-of-ballpark-orientation/ (https://tht.fangraphs.com/lost-in-the-sun-the-physics-of-ballpark-orientation/) The only MLB Parks pointing the slightest bit into the westerly trade winds have optional roofing to prevent that from happening.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: GopherRock on May 22, 2019, 10:28:42 AM
The New Brickhouse in Minneapolis is E-W. Our seats are in the shade of the clubhouse for 11 AM games in September. It's nice early but not nice later on when it's chilly. 

Starting this fall, the Gophers will have the option of using the north sideline for their bench in late-season games. The Vikings were over there during their stay. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 22, 2019, 11:08:59 AM
Starting this fall, the Gophers will have the option of using the north sideline for their bench in late-season games.
that won't seem right
but, it's just odd enuff for PJ Barnum
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 22, 2019, 02:49:31 PM
Back home finally, hope to post some pics along the way.  They are on the Nikon.  I took my longer lens and used it never, again.

Used Lyft to get home and the first driver went to the Departures level at ATL Int Terminal.  Duh.  Then he called me and I said I was at the lower Arrivals level, and he then drove around to the Domestic terminal on the far side of the airport.  Another driver was a minute away, zoom.

We got into ATL almost an hour ahead of schedule, was in a 777, which is a nice plane I think.  Delta has something new similar to business class, ahead of Comfort where we were.  Premium Select I think it is called.  Seats and food nicer, not as pricey as Delta One, which is ridiculous.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on May 22, 2019, 04:17:05 PM
I don't suppose you will "sack up" and travel to Lincoln this season to see them fer yerself???
I would need a "sack"  C-Notes,long story......the mrs......But if i can ferret enough away the friendly confines of memorial seem beckoning.Unless of course there is a 'Skers resurrgence and I bump into the Husker Prick Squad Part Deux
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 22, 2019, 04:36:55 PM
I would like to see a Nebraska home game some time.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on May 23, 2019, 08:53:09 AM
I regret never having gone up to see Texas play them.  All of my friends that did had nothing but great reports.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 23, 2019, 10:21:58 AM
I would need a "sack"  C-Notes,long story......the mrs......But if i can ferret enough away the friendly confines of memorial seem beckoning.Unless of course there is a 'Skers resurrgence and I bump into the Husker Prick Squad Part Deux
where there's a will, there's a way

yall are always welcome, includes Cincy and even Utee
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 23, 2019, 12:53:00 PM
The NFL has asked teams to eliminate some high-impact drills -- including the iconic Oklahoma drill -- from training camp practices as part of the league's ongoing effort to reduce concussions.

The league acknowledged the request Tuesday during its spring meeting in Key Biscayne, Florida. The recommendation came in response to data that showed a high rate of concussions during the early part of training camp in recent years. The league convened an April 17 meeting among current and former NFL players, coaches and executives to discuss ways that would address the issue.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on May 23, 2019, 01:54:13 PM
The NFL has asked teams to eliminate some high-impact drills -- including the iconic Oklahoma drill -- from training camp practices as part of the league's ongoing effort to reduce concussions.

The league acknowledged the request Tuesday during its spring meeting in Key Biscayne, Florida. The recommendation came in response to data that showed a high rate of concussions during the early part of training camp in recent years. The league convened an April 17 meeting among current and former NFL players, coaches and executives to discuss ways that would address the issue.

Not that I specifically disagree with it, but as much as the in game rule changes, the increasing limit on padded contact practice is hurting the running game.  Run blocking is complex, and without the padded practices, it's tough, particularly out of the gate.  Pass blocking is hard, but it's not complicated beyond the QB calling out protection audibles.  And you can do that without contact.  You have practices that are glorified 7 on 7s, you wind up with football that sort of looks like that.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 24, 2019, 04:03:57 PM

View from the north coast of Brittany near Morlaix

(https://i.imgur.com/fvkvRRE.jpg)

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 24, 2019, 04:07:16 PM
Not that I specifically disagree with it, but as much as the in game rule changes, the increasing limit on padded contact practice is hurting the running game.  Run blocking is complex, and without the padded practices, it's tough, particularly out of the gate.  Pass blocking is hard, but it's not complicated beyond the QB calling out protection audibles.  And you can do that without contact.  You have practices that are glorified 7 on 7s, you wind up with football that sort of looks like that.
This is what I envision Texas HS football to be now.
I loved doing the Oklahoma drill - as a short lineman, I always had leverage and wasn't going backwards, lol.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 24, 2019, 04:08:06 PM
A park in southern Brittany we visited, it was spectacular:

(https://i.imgur.com/NpI5m55.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/yzoF05Q.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/xN2WlFd.jpg)

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 24, 2019, 04:09:57 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/GtPrkOE.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/zngkbbx.jpg)

Near Concarneau, souther Brittany, Finisterre.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 24, 2019, 04:12:43 PM
The Bretons have an interesting history, and at times have sought independence from France.  Some still speak Breton, a Celtic language related to Welsh and Irish, which makes sense as they largely immigrated from those two places.  They are in effect displaced Britons, the Celts in England before the Romans, the Saxons, the Danes, and the Normans.  German fortifications are still around in places, I did not see the massive sub pens this trip.  Brest was almost destroyed in the war and is not very interesting, we were told, today.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Mdot21 on May 25, 2019, 10:32:20 AM
any Game of Thrones fans? My god did they ruin the greatest show ever with a mediocre 7th season and an abomination of a final 8th season. Pretty remarkable that they could take maybe the greatest show ever and completely ruin it in 2 seasons. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MaximumSam on May 25, 2019, 11:39:08 AM
any Game of Thrones fans? My god did they ruin the greatest show ever with a mediocre 7th season and an abomination of a final 8th season. Pretty remarkable that they could take maybe the greatest show ever and completely ruin it in 2 seasons.
I was an original, having been a huge fan of the books way before the show was even contemplated.  I thought there was no chance they could do a show based on the books, so I give them a lot of props about it.  But I'm not sure how they ever thought two shortened seasons would work given all the plot they had to get through, and they didn't.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Mdot21 on May 25, 2019, 12:36:14 PM
I was an original, having been a huge fan of the books way before the show was even contemplated.  I thought there was no chance they could do a show based on the books, so I give them a lot of props about it.  But I'm not sure how they ever thought two shortened seasons would work given all the plot they had to get through, and they didn't.
These show runners are the same writers that brought us godawful movies like Troy and X-Men Origins: Wolverine. Not sure why or how George RR Martin didn't background check them before he went ahead and gave them the green light. The show was incredible when all these jackoffs had to do was adapt the source material for television. Seasons 6,7, and 8 was all their baby. Season 6 was pretty meh with the exception of a couple episodes. Season 7 was very mediocre verging on bad, and Season 8 was a complete abortion.

Pretty obvious these guys were hacks to begin with if you look at some of the other crap they've written, and pretty obvious they checked out completely in order to start on the new Star Wars series of films and get that ridiculous Disney money.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Mdot21 on May 25, 2019, 03:58:29 PM
The GoT SPOILER ALERTS....

Don’t read beyond this point if you live under a rock and are one of the 5 people in the world who doesn’t watch the show and hasn’t seen the final season.

The season sucked ass because it was rushed number one and secondly because it spent years laying down all these little clues and foreshadowing moments thinking there’d be a payoff down the line but there was absolutely nothing and none of it meant jackshit.

The entire story to me was always about Dany and Jon. And it would’ve been a WAY better ending had they not rushed Dany into becoming the Mad Queen in the course of 1 episode. They needed more time to build up to that end game. And these show running idiots wasted SO much gd screen time on useless characters like Missandei and Grey Worm. Completely useless characters quite honestly. They also turn Tyrion- the smartest guy in the world- into a complete moron in the span of about 8 episodes. None of it makes any sense whatsoever. It’s like these show runners just made shit up on the fly and a swithched things up at will just to subvert the expectations of the audience all bc they wanted to shock people with their “amazing” writing. Except none of it makes any god damn sense and it’s just really truly terrible writing that defies any logic.

They also ruined Jon’s character. Just made him a complete and utter useless moron. Him coming back from the dead and being revealed as the true heir to the throne and a secret Targaryen meant absolutely nothing in the end. Just completely ruined the character. He was suppose to be the one to kill the night king, as these idiot writers changed it to Arya just because no one would expect that- this is by their own admission- they actually said this shit in one of the behind the episodes things. Also: these guys suck because they make so much crap happen off screen. Like wtf is the point of that?

What should’ve happened in the finale:

Jon takes out Dany in front of grey worm and his soldiers. As she’s dying she tells him she’s pregnant with his child. The dickless waste of space Grey Worm and his unsullied army try to kill Jon, but he’s a secret Targaryen and can control dragons so he hops on Drogon and kills Grey Worm and the unsullied he has with him. They bow down before Jon and it’s revealed he’s the king. Jon has to sacrifice the woman he loves and his unborn child in order to save the realm and take a crown he’s the true heir to but never wanted reluctantly because it’s his duty. The end. Jon going north to the wall to be with ghost and Tormund is what he wants, he doesn’t want to be lord commander, he doesn’t want to be king in the north, he doesn’t want to be king of the 7 kingdoms. He is those things because he has to be. He doesn’t want any of it. 

Edit: oh yeah, Arya and the hound should’ve intercepted Jaime leaving. Arya should’ve killed him, taken his face and murdered Cersei as Jamie- thus fulfilling that Valanqor prophecy and giving Cersei the death she deserved.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 25, 2019, 06:16:33 PM


What should’ve happened in the finale:

Jon takes out Dany in front of grey worm and his soldiers. As she’s dying she tells him she’s pregnant with his child. The dickless waste of space Grey Worm and his unsullied army try to kill Jon, but he’s a secret Targaryen and can control dragons so he hops on Drogon and kills Grey Worm and the unsullied he has with him. They bow down before Jon and it’s revealed he’s the king. Jon has to sacrifice the woman he loves and his unborn child in order to save the realm and take a crown he’s the true heir to but never wanted reluctantly because it’s his duty. The end. Jon going north to the wall to be with ghost and Tormund is what he wants, he doesn’t want to be lord commander, he doesn’t want to be king in the north, he doesn’t want to be king of the 7 kingdoms. He is those things because he has to be. He doesn’t want any of it.

Edit: oh yeah, Arya and the hound should’ve intercepted Jaime leaving. Arya should’ve killed him, taken his face and murdered Cersei as Jamie- thus fulfilling that Valanqor prophecy and giving Cersei the death she deserved.
Okay, so take this, add it to the 100 million other people with their version of how it should have ended, and then create an ending that would make them all happy.

Good luck.  You know nothing, MDot21.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Mdot21 on May 26, 2019, 12:31:53 AM
Okay, so take this, add it to the 100 million other people with their version of how it should have ended, and then create an ending that would make them all happy.

Good luck.  You know nothing, MDot21.
Yeah, or how about just any ending that just makes any sense whatsoever. Is that so hard to ask for. I think not.

For fook sake I’d rather have the show just pull a sopranos and fade to black after Jon offed his girlfriend/aunt.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 26, 2019, 01:45:59 AM
I just find it odd that people tend to ignore the 8 years of quality product just to bitch about the last episode.  Or if the last season wasn't good or whatever...well, it wasn't so bad that you stopped watching, lol.


Herd mentality, I guess.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MaximumSam on May 26, 2019, 09:00:02 AM
Heh well the people ain't wrong.  GOT was good because of its extremely strong characters and plot.  The last couple seasons traded that in for melodrama.  It wasn't so much that the ending was "wrong" as much as it was about having the characters change to serve the plot.  Still, at least there was an ending, and not a super weird ending like in some other shows.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 26, 2019, 11:43:55 AM
I liked GoT for probably 4-5 seasons and then felt it trailed off, and I did as well.  There is plenty else to watch with my limited time.

I like the Bosch series.  I've taken to reading the books which I think are quite good.

And we own a Bosch stove, so there is that.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on May 26, 2019, 03:19:36 PM
My Bosch water heater crapped out after 12 years.I was an advocate of Tankless Water heaters over tanks as on average after the 5 yr mark they pay for themselves.Now I'm not so sure,had some repairmen stop and check different components.Seems the new units have more components,bells & whistles than even the units of 10 yrs ago.On avg it seems that the two best Navien(Korean) & Rinnai(japanese) have a 15-20% component failures at the 10 yr mark.These expenses can easily supersede the price of a tank.So even if you save natural gas you are not saving money over all.Just another example of corporate greed gouging for parts that cost them next to nothing to make

:sign0065:
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 26, 2019, 06:43:35 PM
I'm an electric tank guy

not a perfect scenario but  I'm not sure there's a better plan
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on May 27, 2019, 08:04:54 AM
I'm an electric tank guy not a perfect scenario but  I'm not sure there's a better plan
Really?We use to have one out at the family cottage on the lake.Is NG real expensive out there in God's Country?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 27, 2019, 08:26:28 AM
NG isn't expensive today

30 years ago when I bought this place many neighbors in the small town had propane tanks in the yard, no NG service.

The house was around 6 years old and had all electric appliances.  Electric rates have been reasonable so no need to change

NG/propane has fluctuated over the years, electric has stayed stable
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on May 27, 2019, 09:25:37 AM
Good for you guys our utilities have skyrocketed.Many people bought all electric houses with supposed locked in low rates if they did so.Recently - last 5 years or so - the Power Company has or will renege on those one time guarantees - absolutely criminal
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 27, 2019, 09:51:39 AM
I purchase power from Warren Buffet
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on May 27, 2019, 10:21:59 AM
I purchase my newspaper from Warren Buffett.

I can't say that I like what I'm getting.  Or the "service" that gets it to me.

Back when I was a paperboy . . . .
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 27, 2019, 11:15:55 AM
I learn everything important here from you smart fellas

no need for a "paper"
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 27, 2019, 11:16:35 AM
I learn everything important here from you smart fellas
My condolences. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 27, 2019, 11:19:03 AM
everything is relative

I'm better off

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 27, 2019, 11:20:19 AM
headed to the bar for a bloody, then to the golf course for the 3rd straight day

FORE!!!
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on May 27, 2019, 03:10:10 PM
I learn everything important here from you smart fellas
Ignorance is bliss as they say
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 27, 2019, 07:06:45 PM
true
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 29, 2019, 03:49:43 PM
I'm going to have to have a chat with my neighbors about their pest-control fetish. It seems like they must be using 10 or 20 different pest control companies at one time!

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 29, 2019, 04:13:37 PM
no dogs or cats?

my daughter's dog keeps me from using various means for killing varmints
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 29, 2019, 05:21:51 PM
no dogs or cats?

my daughter's dog keeps me from using various means for killing varmints
I doubt they even have a pest problem.

But every pest control salesman from every company that comes to my door selling pest control services says they work with my neighbor*, so I wonder what they're up to. How can they need that much pest control service?

(*These salesmen typically point to every house across the street in sight too... Did I move into an entire neighborhood of pest control fetish freaks?)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 29, 2019, 05:23:13 PM
are you not familiar with sales people?

sometimes they don't tell the entire truth
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 29, 2019, 06:57:14 PM
Sales people are not allowed to lie or even deceive, I read that somewhere.

Facebook maybe.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MichiFan87 on May 29, 2019, 09:55:19 PM
Good for you guys our utilities have skyrocketed.Many people bought all electric houses with supposed locked in low rates if they did so.Recently - last 5 years or so - the Power Company has or will renege on those one time guarantees - absolutely criminal

If I'm not mistaken, you live in Ohio (which is deregulated) so you can choose your supplier as opposed to First Energy, AEP, Dayton, or whichever electric utility you have. Here's the website: http://www.energychoice.ohio.gov/. T (http://www.energychoice.ohio.gov/)X, IL, and most of the Northeast (except VT) is the same way.

For consumers, electricity prices are less volatile, but that's not the case in the wholesale market (partly due to natural gas price volatility of course), which is averaged out over the course of the year to determine what consumers' flat rates should be. Some utilities offer time-of-use rates now, though, in which the prices vary by the time of day.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on May 29, 2019, 10:10:12 PM
Sales people are not allowed to lie or even deceive, I read that somewhere.

Facebook maybe.

"A salesman may not lie, steal, or cheat-- nor tolerate those that do."

-Abraham Lincoln
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 30, 2019, 09:15:34 AM
My electric bill now if paltry, probably $100 a month, which is a third of what it was in Ohio, but in large part because of the surface area thing and that hot water is included in the HOA.  The hot water even feeds our heat pumps, as I understand it, so the heat pump does little more than run the fan.  We have a lot of window surface area, but only on two sides.

Georgia Power is building two more nukes and I expect that will/has bump my rates at some point.  I think I'm paying about 5 cents per now.

The nukes nearly got shut down half built, but they muddled through apparently.  I'm not sure who ran the economics on them.  I keep hearing that wind and solar are way cheaper, as is NG.  

Our HOA is fairly steep, almost $900, but when I look at what I was paying to own the house, cable and internet, utilities, painting, etc., it is about break even, maybe better.  And we have a pool and gym and 24/7 front desk and underground parking etc.  At one condo nearby, the residents have to pay $160 per parking space in addition to their HOA, per month.  Ouch.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 30, 2019, 06:38:35 PM
Our electric here in CA is $0.18/kwh baseline, but we get just barely into the second tier at $0.24/kwh. 

Generally we keep the electric bill down except for that rough bit right around August, where we need to hit the A/C from time to time. Even at those rates it's typically $60-100/month as long as we don't use A/C. The entire rest of the year it's bearable enough [on the hot end] and actually not cold enough on the cold end that we have to run the heater during the winter. Which is nice because my NG bill is typically about $20/mo. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on May 30, 2019, 06:51:15 PM
 Which is nice because my NG bill is typically about $20/mo.
you avg monthly NG bill is 20 bucks?In Cali?  - do you spend half the time in a pop up.Dayum,we have a delivery charge of $28  every month - the nice guys at the Public Utility Commission OK'd 3 yrs back.I'd whack some one if I thought I could get away with it.NG execs should be stripped - have their wrists/ankles duct taped and dropped on a hill of red ants
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 30, 2019, 07:02:23 PM
you avg monthly NG bill is 20 bucks?In Cali?  - do you spend half the time in a pop up.Dayum,we have a delivery charge of $28  every month - the nice guys at the Public Utility Commission OK'd 3 yrs back.I'd whack some one if I thought I could get away with it.NG execs should be stripped - have their wrists/ankles duct taped and dropped on a hill of red ants
Actually, 2 months ago we got some sort of rebate and our bill was negative for one month, and $1.50 the next month. I didn't mind that! ;-) 

But yeah, it's about $20/mo. The only thing running off NG in our house is the water heater, the stove, the dryer, and the furnace. Right now the furnace isn't working (I think it's just the pilot but it never gets cold enough for me to move everything in the way of the furnace and try to re-light it), so there's not much use for gas. 

Now, our water bill is $50/month and we never even use the sprinkler system. That's where they get you in SoCal. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Hawkinole on May 30, 2019, 11:46:31 PM

Now, our water bill is $50/month and we never even use the sprinkler system. That's where they get you in SoCal.
My water is $18.53, but it arrives in a combined bill that includes things I don't even know what all of them are, such as sewerage, garbage removal, recycling, compost site, and landfill charge. Altogether this month is $69.14.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Hawkinole on May 30, 2019, 11:57:24 PM
Our electric here in CA is $0.18/kwh baseline, but we get just barely into the second tier at $0.24/kwh.

Generally we keep the electric bill down except for that rough bit right around August, where we need to hit the A/C from time to time. Even at those rates it's typically $60-100/month as long as we don't use A/C. The entire rest of the year it's bearable enough [on the hot end] and actually not cold enough on the cold end that we have to run the heater during the winter. Which is nice because my NG bill is typically about $20/mo.
My cost is $89 - $160, or so, with a requested hike by Alliant Utilities of 17+%. We have allergies and run the A/C quite a bit.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MichiFan87 on May 31, 2019, 12:27:43 AM
I think we discussed this in the environment thread, but Georgia is building the last nuclear plant in the country, despite significant cost overruns, while other recent nuclear projects (most infamously in South Carolina) have been abandoned. That's the unfortunate consequence of being in a regulated utility, though.

Iowa and most of the Midwest is at least part of the MISO wholesale market (Ohio, metro Chicago, and some areas in between are part of PJM, which is similar), either of which help keep generation costs lower than they would be otherwise. Of course, the amount of wind generation helps, too.

California has it's own market, but generation costs are higher due high demand and the cost of importing natural gas for generation (as mentioned above, there isn't much need for heating in CA, though). As renewables continue to dominate, electricity prices will decline, though..... Furthermore, California's wholesale market could expand into other western states. It kind of already has in a way, but I don't fully understand it, so I won't try to explain it here.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 31, 2019, 07:18:57 AM
The nuclear plant in GA already exists with two power reactors.  They are constructing two more at the same site.

The main problem was the primary contractor went belly up, as I recall, and Southern and partners had to scramble to fill back in, along with cost overruns.  Last I read, it has been proceeding ahead of schedule since that event, but that could be spin.  The renewable term doesn't get much play down here that I have noticed.

I noticed quite a few wind turbines in France on this trip, but I had not been in that part of the country before.  Brittany has a 1000 foot ridge running down the length that should be good for wind power.  There looked modern and new from a distance.  Of course, France has a large nuclear infrastructure they don't appear to be diminishing.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 31, 2019, 11:55:20 AM
(https://i.imgflip.com/32cata.jpg)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on May 31, 2019, 01:10:41 PM
The nuclear plant in GA already exists with two power reactors.  They are constructing two more at the same site.


this site probably 100+ miles from anywhere?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 31, 2019, 01:48:19 PM
this site probably 100+ miles from anywhere?
Vogtle, it's near Augusta, GA (30 miles south of).

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Alvin+W.+Vogtle+Electric+Generating+Plant/@33.1430634,-82.7057858,8.88z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x88f9965753cde4fd:0x1f30e36ea47c9832!8m2!3d33.1306224!4d-81.7713527?hl=en

 (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Alvin+W.+Vogtle+Electric+Generating+Plant/@33.1430634,-82.7057858,8.88z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x88f9965753cde4fd:0x1f30e36ea47c9832!8m2!3d33.1306224!4d-81.7713527?hl=en)Augusta is sort of somewhere.  They have a golf tournament each year.  And a Medical School.

They already have two power reactors and are building two more, projected completion in 2021 and 2022.  It will then be the largest nuclear power station in the country.

https://www.southerncompany.com/innovation/nuclear-energy/plant-vogtle-3-and-4.html

 (https://www.southerncompany.com/innovation/nuclear-energy/plant-vogtle-3-and-4.html)



[th]Units operational[/th]
1 × 1150 MW
1 × 1152 MW
[th]Make and model[/th]
2 × WH (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westinghouse_Electric_Company) 4-loop (DRYAMB)
[th][/th]
[th]Units under const.[/th]
2 × 1117 MW AP1000 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AP1000)
[th]Nameplate capacity (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nameplate_capacity)[/th]
2302 MW (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megawatt)
[th]Capacity factor (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacity_factor)[/th]
95.09% (2017)
91.25% (lifetime)
[th]Annual net output (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_generation)[/th]
19,176 GWh (2017)


Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 31, 2019, 01:56:35 PM
In France, there are "pharmacies" everywhere, all marked with a green cross.  And, they are all small and mostly seem to sell "junk", stuff to make you look younger and feel better, silly homeopathic garbage.

I've looked in vain for Pepto Bismol, they don't carry it, nor do they carry Nyquil, though they have Vick's products, one had only guafensin, the Nyquil here has that and two other adjuvants.  They seem to do a bang up business, but give me a Walgreens or CVS any day.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 31, 2019, 01:57:47 PM
Purdue just scheduled a game against FAU for 2022...

Who has higher odds of not being with their current team at that time, Brohm or Kiffin?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on May 31, 2019, 02:05:23 PM
Kiffin.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 31, 2019, 02:09:17 PM
In France, there are "pharmacies" everywhere, all marked with a green cross.  And, they are all small and mostly seem to sell "junk", stuff to make you look younger and feel better, silly homeopathic garbage.

I've looked in vain for Pepto Bismol, they don't carry it, nor do they carry Nyquil, though they have Vick's products, one had only guafensin, the Nyquil here has that and two other adjuvants.  They seem to do a bang up business, but give me a Walgreens or CVS any day.
In Rome, after a bunch of travel in airplanes with very dry air, I was looking for Chap Stick. It was the day leaving Rome for the Cinque Terre, so I was in the train station...

With the language barrier [they don't carry the Chap Stick brand I guess] and with some pantomime, they eventually realized I was asking for lip balm and not lipstick and gave me a tube of something called LaBello if I remember correctly... Got the job done. 

Always interesting to see which brands carry over and which don't.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on May 31, 2019, 02:09:59 PM
I'm actually going to say Brohm.  I think by turning down Louisville, he signaled he wants to get to the NFL, and Purdue is a better path there.  I think he'll be in the pros in 2021 or 2022.  Just a hunch.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 31, 2019, 03:41:36 PM
In Rome, after a bunch of travel in airplanes with very dry air, I was looking for Chap Stick. It was the day leaving Rome for the Cinque Terre, so I was in the train station...

With the language barrier [they don't carry the Chap Stick brand I guess] and with some pantomime, they eventually realized I was asking for lip balm and not lipstick and gave me a tube of something called LaBello if I remember correctly... Got the job done.

Always interesting to see which brands carry over and which don't.
I'm amazed at how little is available OTC in Italy. They are pretty strict over there. And then there's Mexico, where you can get just about anything.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on May 31, 2019, 03:46:48 PM
You can buy anything in Bratislava.

ANYTHING.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CatsbyAZ on May 31, 2019, 04:44:08 PM
You can buy anything in Bratislava.

ANYTHING.


I did did an undergrad study abroad in Bratislava. The most rundown of the 10 or so European Capitol cities I’ve visited. Our dorms were former Soviet soldiering quarters and even the other foreign students housed in the wing of my barracks/dorm from Poland and Romania were surprised how “rundown” Bratislava was. But I liked it - kept everything dirt cheap which I needed as a broke undergrad.

Speaking of buying things, picked up the Lindy’s College Football Annual, which is a big offseason ritual of mine around every June 1.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on May 31, 2019, 04:49:32 PM
Vogtle, it's near Augusta, GA (30 miles south of).

My former employer is now the general on this project. Bechtel, as a company, is still a big believer in a nuclear renaissance, but cost, security, and waste are big hurdles to clear when natural gas is so cheap and wind and solar are becoming more competitive. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on May 31, 2019, 05:30:19 PM
Bratislava is definitely run-down compared to even other Eastern European capitals.  It used to be dirt cheap, but like anything else, once the far western Euros and Americans "discovered" it, the prices skyrocketed.  Even so, it's still cheap compared to Prague, and incredibly cheap compared to cities in Austria, Switzerland, Germany, France, Italy, and Spain.

I may have mentioned this, but I'm pretty sure Prague is my single favorite city on the planet.  I adore that place.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on May 31, 2019, 05:34:26 PM
In related news,  think we're settling in on our Euro2020 itinerary, which sadly does not include Prague.  But right now we're planning on hitting Budapest, somewhere in Croatia (probably Split), Florence, and Rome. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 31, 2019, 06:41:10 PM
Vogtle, it's near Augusta, GA (30 miles south of).

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Alvin+W.+Vogtle+Electric+Generating+Plant/@33.1430634,-82.7057858,8.88z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x88f9965753cde4fd:0x1f30e36ea47c9832!8m2!3d33.1306224!4d-81.7713527?hl=en

 (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Alvin+W.+Vogtle+Electric+Generating+Plant/@33.1430634,-82.7057858,8.88z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x88f9965753cde4fd:0x1f30e36ea47c9832!8m2!3d33.1306224!4d-81.7713527?hl=en)Augusta is sort of somewhere.  They have a golf tournament each year.  And a Medical School.

They already have two power reactors and are building two more, projected completion in 2021 and 2022.  It will then be the largest nuclear power station in the country.

https://www.southerncompany.com/innovation/nuclear-energy/plant-vogtle-3-and-4.html

 (https://www.southerncompany.com/innovation/nuclear-energy/plant-vogtle-3-and-4.html)



Units operational


1 × 1150 MW
1 × 1152 MW
Make and model


2 × WH (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westinghouse_Electric_Company) 4-loop (DRYAMB)



Units under const.


2 × 1117 MW AP1000 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AP1000)
Nameplate capacity (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nameplate_capacity)


2302 MW (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megawatt)
Capacity factor (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacity_factor)


95.09% (2017)
91.25% (lifetime)
Annual net output (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_generation)


19,176 GWh (2017)









My dad was working at that site, but left after they expunged a bunch of people because they were behind schedule and over budget, among other things.
The problem is that there was a good 20-25 year dead period on nuclear power in the US, and so all you have qualified to pick up where they left off are some near-retirement age guys and newbies out of school with zero actual experience. 
So one company involved, Westinghouse, files for bankruptcy.  Then two other companies come in to resume, both of which retained my dad, until his portion of the job was done.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 01, 2019, 08:05:28 AM
These may be the last two nukes built in the US (for a long long time anyway).  I'd guess nuclear power from here is going to decrease rather quickly.

I watched a documentary about the fusion reactor being built in France as a test vessel, so to speak (ITER) and the story was far from positive and hopeful.  The countries can't seem to get along for one thing, and perhaps it's a step too far?

That has always been the Great Hope, but it seems never to get "here".
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 01, 2019, 02:49:37 PM
Planning on attempt #2 at french fries today.

Last Monday, the missus and I wanted to have a nice simple "at home" day to lounge around. She mentioned something about making french fries, and then I thought "hey I can do that, and I can bake my own hamburger buns, to go with the lamb I ground for burgers, because I can never do anything halfway!"

So the buns were a complete miss and I had to buy buns, but the first attempt at french fries worked. I used the mandolin to cut them to 1/4" fries (the largest the mandolin goes), and used the Joel Robuchon method to fry them. Then tossed them in salt, garlic, and oregano. There were some learning points--they came out a bit more brown than intended and that in turn made them shrink more like shoestring fries--but it was a good first attempt and they tasted good.

We've got the kids back this weekend, so we're going to do burgers tonight. Planning on cutting the potatoes by hand to shoot for somewhere between 3/8" and 1/2" fries, because I frankly like them a little bigger anyway. Still using the Robuchon method, but will try to pull them slightly earlier so they don't over-brown. Will omit the oregano because it's not "Greek" theme like last weekend. Using my burger grind (brisket point + chuck). Wife will caramelize some onions, I'll grill some corn, and she and the eldest are planning to make S'more monkey bread for dessert.

What do you fine folks have on the menu?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 01, 2019, 03:19:35 PM
I've got a commercial fryer at home but not up here at the harbor. Fries are a little tough to do here, but we manage. Just got a new grill and hooked it up. 700 degrees in 3 minutes. I'm going out to get some 2" ribeyes for later.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on June 01, 2019, 09:36:04 PM
I fried some 80/20 burgers in a skillet on my electric stove.  Some steak seasoning on the burgers and then fried them in some soy sauce.  Sharp cheddar melted on tops, med rare.

pared them with some coleslaw from the store

don't need the carbs from the fried taters
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 02, 2019, 05:54:38 AM
The secret to frying, I think, is to not overload the grease.  Putting too much stuff in at once cools off these greasy and makes the food greasy.  You need a lot of oil and not much stuff, whether it's chicken or taters.

The wife really likes good fried chicken (as do I).  This is a thing unknown in France aside from an occasional KFC.  I had a Big Mac this trip in France, we stopped on a toll road and McDs was the only real choice for a quick lunch.  It was expensive, the wife had a simple cheeseburger and I recall it was 2.80 euro.  The Big Mac had a lot of lettuce and about 2/3rds the beef we get here.  It was on a toll plaza, so maybe the prices were jumped some.  Obviously eating at McDs in France is not on my normal card, but they have quite a few of them.  

We used to go for breakfast in Cincy, but there isn't one near us here (walking distance) and the one we might drive to has some pretty awful reviews on line, if that matters at all.  I always chuckle over Trip Advisor ratings of chain places.

We tried lunch at a Taco Mac, which is a sports bar chain kind of place here.  It were entirely mediocre with slow service, but the wife counted over 60 TVs in the place and they had a lot of beers on tap.  I walked by the Cypress Bar that Badge has suggested yesterday but ended up trying the City Tap House which has a nice layout.  Had a pizza which was "OK".
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 02, 2019, 02:12:27 PM
The secret to frying, I think, is to not overload the grease.  Putting too much stuff in at once cools off these greasy and makes the food greasy.  You need a lot of oil and not much stuff, whether it's chicken or taters.
This was, IMHO, one advantage to the Robuchon method... You put the uncooked fries in room-temp oil, turn on the burner to low-medium to cook them through, then once they're tender you increase the heat to medium for ~30 minutes until they're nicely browned. Since you're not putting cold food into hot oil, you're not as worried that it'll cool down the oil. 

Only thing is that it didn't quite turn out this time. I think I overloaded the pot, and because we were in a hurry probably pulled them about 5 minutes too soon [last weekend I pulled them about 2-3 minutes too late so I wanted to avoid over-browning them]. The result was that they were fine, but not excellent. 

Need more practice. But that's ok... I have plenty of time lol.

I've been wanting to fry things for a while now, and I think now the wife is finally on board. She's got a poultry allergy, so I'm thinking of doing fried pork tenderloin in the method of fried chicken. That way she might get the "taste" of good fried chicken without actually using bird.

The burgers were superb, though. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 02, 2019, 09:47:57 PM
There should be exactly ONE problem with nuclear power, and it's the long-term question about spent fuel rods (radioactive 'stuff').  Personally, I think if we had a few groups that solely built and ran nuclear power stations and we had scheduled, unmanned launches of the waste materials into space, nuclear would power the world. 

Any and every bad nuclear 'event' is due to gross human error.  That fact that its gross makes it avoidable.  Also, is it wise to build on a fault line by an ocean?  Probably not.  But there are so many safeguards to avoid any type of serious meltdown that it's nearly impossible for it to happen.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on June 03, 2019, 12:57:18 AM
Up in Kohler WI this week.  Some brisk tee times in the morning.   Upper 40s.   Hoping no fog.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MichiFan87 on June 03, 2019, 01:29:24 AM
There should be exactly ONE problem with nuclear power, and it's the long-term question about spent fuel rods (radioactive 'stuff').  Personally, I think if we had a few groups that solely built and ran nuclear power stations and we had scheduled, unmanned launches of the waste materials into space, nuclear would power the world.

Any and every bad nuclear 'event' is due to gross human error.  That fact that its gross makes it avoidable.  Also, is it wise to build on a fault line by an ocean?  Probably not.  But there are so many safeguards to avoid any type of serious meltdown that it's nearly impossible for it to happen.


There are many other challenges with nuclear.

1. It's no longer cost-effective. Ohio is about to pass a bill to subsidize its nuclear plants (and coal plants, which makes no sense whatsoever). This is true of many existing plants and even moreso for new plants (again, the Georgia plant debacle being a prime example while all other new nuclear projects have already been canceled).

2. It's inflexible (ie. on or off). I used to think this was for technological reasons, but it's actually also due to economic reasons. Nuclear generation is only cost-effective when generating at its capacity whereas other sources of generation can operate more flexibly. With the rise of wind and solar generation (which can only be controlled through curtailment and combining it with energy storage), flexibility is increasingly important, since electricity supply & demand must be balanced at all times.

3. They take a long time to build. Even putting aside the other issues, nuclear plants take longer to build than any other type of generation. Furthermore, they also take a long time to decommission, too. Of course, few people want to live near them, too.

4. There is a shortage of nuclear engineers, and most of them are older. There aren't many people studying to become nuclear engineers, because people realize that there isn't a long-term future in it compared to other technologies.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 03, 2019, 04:50:11 AM
France reprocesses their nuclear waste, the US does not (executive order).  We could, but don't.  My take is nuclear today is not economic, but I see a lot of different "analyses" on this point.  It's good for providing baseline power.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 03, 2019, 10:04:23 AM
There are not a lot of people studying engineering, period, let alone nuclear. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on June 03, 2019, 12:24:55 PM
There are not a lot of people studying engineering, period, let alone nuclear.
You writing this makes me think I know too many engineers. Maybe it’s also the memory of the many pre-engineers when I was in school. That program was built to chew people up. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 03, 2019, 12:34:17 PM
There are "a lot" of people studying engineering, of course, just not as many as are needed, and perhaps not as many of quality and good English skills.  At GaTech, 61% of the undergrads receive an engineering degree, which is pretty good, and they graduate nearly 2100 a year from there and another 1146 with a Master's degree.

In 2018, Georgia Tech's College of Engineering rose to the #2 public engineering school in the country. 





Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 03, 2019, 12:51:03 PM
Kids today looking for a guaranteed job making really good money need to go into engineering.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 03, 2019, 12:57:58 PM
Yeah, but it is so HARD!!!!

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 03, 2019, 01:00:42 PM
Definitely not easy.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 03, 2019, 01:20:49 PM
Neither of mine wanted anything to do with STEM degrees, but they are both doing very well today anyway, which is a bit of a surprise to me.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 03, 2019, 01:32:05 PM
There are many examples of successful people outside of the STEM fields. My wife comes to mind.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on June 03, 2019, 02:31:27 PM
There are many examples of successful people outside of the STEM fields. My wife comes to mind.
For sure.  But you're the one that stated that kids wanting big money straight outta school, should consider engineering. ;)

And agree with Cincy's statement that while we're producing a good number of engineers, there's still a gap.  We're filling it with various immigrants and non-Americans.  I guess, much like house-cleaning and kitchen-work and ditch-digging, home-grown Americans just view engineering as being beneath them.:)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on June 03, 2019, 02:58:07 PM
For sure.  But you're the one that stated that kids wanting big money straight outta school, should consider engineering. ;)

And agree with Cincy's statement that while we're producing a good number of engineers, there's still a gap.  We're filling it with various immigrants and non-Americans.  I guess, much like house-cleaning and kitchen-work and ditch-digging, home-grown Americans just view engineering as being beneath them.:)
I think engineering has to a degree a slight ivory tower problem.

Granted Badge is trying to fix that. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on June 03, 2019, 07:39:14 PM
Big Ten announcing Delanys successor tomorrow.

https://twitter.com/ramzy/status/1135671251371012097?s=19
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MichiFan87 on June 04, 2019, 12:11:55 AM
I actually don't think there's a shortage of engineering jobs overall. Maybe my perspective is skewed on this, but a substantial number of people I've met who have engineering degrees either went directly into a different field, be it finance, healthcare, technology & software development, or some other lucrative career, but part of that is that it was apparently easier to get a job in those fields.

This exacerbates the fact that, unlike most careers, you basically have to get an engineering degree in college to even consider pursuing it as a career. I have a MS in Engineering Management but that's basically similar to an MBA with a more technical focus (courses like Project Management and Lean Six Sigma) so it doesn't qualify me for any kind of engineering role.

Conversely, in my world of clean energy, there are substantially more people with even less of a technical background than I have than there are engineers, even for analytical roles like I've had (though a decent number of jobs in this space are not technical, to be sure).
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Hawkinole on June 04, 2019, 01:05:05 AM
Big Ten will have a new commissioner in 2020. No real policy statement put out here. Kevin Warren, attorney, but not a practicing attorney. Seems like an accomplished guy. Minnesota Vikings chief operating officer Kevin Warren is expected to be introduced Tuesday as the next commissioner of the Big Ten Conference (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26890702/vikes-coo-big-ten-1st-black-commish)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 04, 2019, 05:53:37 AM
We hired a lot of engineers where I worked and indeed many/most of them quickly went into management, especially the females.  It was a faster path to "success".

This ironically led to an imbalance with far more men on the technical side of the ladder, one the company had no way to remedy.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 04, 2019, 06:52:58 AM
There is no shortage of engineering jobs.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 04, 2019, 06:54:21 AM
I imagine there is no shortage of jobs for expert Diesel mechanics either.

I wonder how much big crane operators make these days.  There are a lot of them around me.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 04, 2019, 07:04:58 AM
Heavy equipment operators make a good amount of coin. If they are in a year-round, right-to-work area, even better.

There are a lot of jobs out there right now, period. Need people to fill them all. I'm mostly interested in engineers though, selfishly, and I'm not at all interested $15/hour for HS kid jobs.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 04, 2019, 07:45:21 AM
One work site near me has 3 semi-permanent tall cranes working on what will be a 40 story block consuming complex.  They are still doing site prep but it's fun to stroll by and watch.  I think they just started for real on a 54 story condo project where the penthouse is a cool $12 Million.  The cheapest is $0.6 million.

Further south near that Cypress Bar place is an area referred to as Tech Square, as GT has moved across the freeway, and a huge amount of development is happening in the area.  Norfolk Southern moved its HQ here and is building a new place down there, they have a large building up near me now.

A 29 story apt building was just completed almost across the street from us, it was fun watching that one too.  They should put up some bleachers around these job sites where you can sit and watch and order beer.  The site prep part is quite interesting, they probably want folks to check out the soil and all that.  I bet soil engineers or whatever they are called make tens of millions a year.

Of course around here if you scratch the dirt much you run into granite for some reason.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: HailHailMSP on June 04, 2019, 08:07:36 AM
Big Ten will have a new commissioner in 2020. No real policy statement put out here. Kevin Warren, attorney, but not a practicing attorney. Seems like an accomplished guy. Minnesota Vikings chief operating officer Kevin Warren is expected to be introduced Tuesday as the next commissioner of the Big Ten Conference (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26890702/vikes-coo-big-ten-1st-black-commish)
A GREAT hire! I feel fortunate to have gotten to know Kevin pretty well over the last couple years, working on a couple of regional business relationships with him and the Vikings. He is a very cerebral workhorse who has nearly universal respect from all those that cross paths with him.

His journey to this point has been pretty amazing. His son is currently playing for an evil SEC school. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 04, 2019, 08:27:51 AM
The bar right next to us hangs a Michigan State flag fairly often, the Green S on white background, FYI.

(https://i.imgur.com/MOCxYRB.png)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on June 04, 2019, 08:47:38 AM
I actually don't think there's a shortage of engineering jobs overall. Maybe my perspective is skewed on this, but a substantial number of people I've met who have engineering degrees either went directly into a different field, be it finance, healthcare, technology & software development, or some other lucrative career, but part of that is that it was apparently easier to get a job in those fields.

This exacerbates the fact that, unlike most careers, you basically have to get an engineering degree in college to even consider pursuing it as a career. I have a MS in Engineering Management but that's basically similar to an MBA with a more technical focus (courses like Project Management and Lean Six Sigma) so it doesn't qualify me for any kind of engineering role.

Conversely, in my world of clean energy, there are substantially more people with even less of a technical background than I have than there are engineers, even for analytical roles like I've had (though a decent number of jobs in this space are not technical, to be sure).
badge and I are stating that there's actually a surplus of engineering jobs, at least domestically.  That's why so many companies are having to fill those gaps with foreign labor.  And because it's more difficult and more costly for companies to do that, with the additional political red tape, they'd much rather hire American citizens where possible.  But the labor simply isn't there.  This gap seems to be especially large in my electrical engineering world, in semiconductors, computer hardware, and other hard high tech industries.

I totally agree with you that lots of folks with engineering degrees move on to other things. I worked as an actual electrical engineer in the semiconductor industry for just under a decade, before going back for an MBA.  Now my recent jobs have all been in Operations, Marketing, and management.  So I'm one of those people.

Engineering in high tech can be a bit of a meat grinder.  Relatively long hours, often poor chances for advancement for individual contributors, so the only path for advancement (and consequently salary increase and prestige increase) becomes moving into management or tangentially related fields like product marketing.  Engineers with good interpersonal skills are somewhat rare and so excel in those roles, but that leaves holes in the labor force that aren't being filled with American citizens.

I was joking about engineering being undesirable, but honestly it seems like for more and more people that COULD do it, they'd really rather not to.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 04, 2019, 08:54:53 AM
Yeah, my experience was that management was "the way to go" for advancement and career "success".  It was much much tougher to climb the ladder on the technical side.

The majority of my bosses were "engineers", but they were really just managers, they could as well have had degrees in art history, seriously.  They just didn't care about anything remotely technical. 

I had one boss briefly who claimed to be a chemical engineer so he could understand my work, but he asked me the exact same question every time I met with him, "What is this DVB?  You keep saying DVB but what is it?"  He was Indian.  You need the accent.  He was a nice enough fellow, but he had no clue what DVB was.

I'd preferred the ones who didn't pretend to ask.

DVB, incidentally, id "divinyl benzene", a pretty common crosslinker in the polymer world.  My great innovation in my career was to figure out a substitute that worked and had useful other attributes.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on June 04, 2019, 11:39:39 AM
I've found that my technical background as a practicing engineer has helped me quite a bit when moving over to the product and marketing sides.

In new product development, for example, when I set up some new feature requirements based on my expectations for the market or actual customer requests, and the engineering team pushes back (which they ALWAYS do), I'm able to challenge them in an informed way.  Sometimes they have good reasons, other times they're simply being lazy.  I've done their job and I know the differences, because sometimes I was just lazy too.

Not really lazy, to be fair.  It tends to be a result of an engineering mindset that you know better than the customer, and so taking on new work is pointless.  When in reality, the customer wants what the customer wants.  It may or may not be deliverable in a timely or profitable manner for my own company, but pushing back simply for the sake of pushing back occurs pretty regularly.   And it's MY job to determine the profitability, not the engineers', because honestly they have no idea.

My technical background has given me the skills to understand when that's happening, and it's also given me the credibility with the engineering teams that they know I'm not just busting their balls for no reason.  Then we can work collaboratively to find a solution.  Works out pretty well, ultimately.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 04, 2019, 02:12:04 PM
I was out and about today and had some very deep pithy thoughts:

1.  Scooters.  I'm against them.  Some folks go flying by me by inches and if I happened to turn a bit there would be an incident.  Plus, they leave them strewn about everywhere, sometimes in nice flower beds.  These folks should walk.

2.  Yoga pants.  I am generally for them.  A lot of the ladies around are young and fit, some are not.  The fit ones often are out running etc.  

3.  Dogs.  I've never been anywhere with nearly this high a dog population.  I like dogs.  I rarely see dog poop on the sidewalks.  I saw one dude with a great dane today, I figure he lives in a 1200 sf apartment somewhere.

4.  Libraries.  One of my trips was to the local.  I checked out a book entitled "Salt".  So far it is really briney.  The Chinese invented a lot of stuff.

(https://i.imgur.com/5Jkel9R.png)

Salt of course is the product of an acid and a base (often as not).  He says our bodies have no craving for salt even if we are salt deficient (which in the US is nearly impossible.)  The French are quasi-manic about their salt.  They not only want sea salt, but from this area and not that.  One can see salt flats all around the coastal areas in France.  It all tastes the same to me on food.  I try and use as little as possible anyway.  Libraries are amazing, and the books are "free".

5.  It's quite mild today and cloudy after a hot spell.  I should get out more, but at least I'm walking a lot now.  The wife has been hit with sciatica, first time for her, and not fun, but she says she's recovering.  She flew up to Boston for four days, so I'm batching.

6.  The food truck thing is popular around here.  I had a free Chick-Fil-A sammich I was going to use, the local place just reopened, so I figured I'd use it, at noon.  The line was REALLY long.  I know they serve customers at a fast pace, but I ended up at a Mexican place instead.  They just opened a small park outside the CFA under some large oaks called "The Grove", not to be confused with the thing in Oxford of course, but it's nice, and popular.  Cities should have preserved more park space, we're lucky to have what we have I think.

7.  My favorite BBQ guy has not come to the Saturday market this year.  He was getting old, but his Q was as good as any I've ever had.  He just had the trailer off his truck, no stand alone place, I asked.  I'm pretty unhappy, but hope he's doing well.  The other food places at the market are millennial,. crepes and whatnot.  HIs name was Fitzgerald.  

8.  Uber or Lyft?  We have one car now and walk nearly everywhere we need to walk.  I was calculating how much the one car costs me per month and wondering if I can't just Uber everywhere, or rent a car for a trip if needed.



Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: GopherRock on June 04, 2019, 02:38:36 PM
There are plenty of heavy equipment operator jobs around here, too. One contractor on one of our jobs was so good at mucking around that all but one of their operators were thrown off our site over the course of three season. Pay is great (especially if you're with the 49ers), but you better have an exit strategy. At some point, your body will not be physically able to do the work. Trades have the same problem. 

One of these times I'm going to get 15 yards for a clothesline tackle on one of these electric scooters. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on June 04, 2019, 02:39:41 PM
I've found that my technical background as a practicing engineer has helped me quite a bit when moving over to the product and marketing sides.

In new product development, for example, when I set up some new feature requirements based on my expectations for the market or actual customer requests, and the engineering team pushes back (which they ALWAYS do), I'm able to challenge them in an informed way.  Sometimes they have good reasons, other times they're simply being lazy.  I've done their job and I know the differences, because sometimes I was just lazy too.

Not really lazy, to be fair.  It tends to be a result of an engineering mindset that you know better than the customer, and so taking on new work is pointless.  When in reality, the customer wants what the customer wants.  It may or may not be deliverable in a timely or profitable manner for my own company, but pushing back simply for the sake of pushing back occurs pretty regularly.  And it's MY job to determine the profitability, not the engineers', because honestly they have no idea.

My technical background has given me the skills to understand when that's happening, and it's also given me the credibility with the engineering teams that they know I'm not just busting their balls for no reason.  Then we can work collaboratively to find a solution.  Works out pretty well, ultimately.
Yeah, my law firm, and my practice specifically is heavily involved in the energy industry, and all of the top level partners are petroleum engineers who went back to law school.  For the reasons you said, the energy companies we work with like to talk to people who speak their language, and aren't sleazy lawyers who just learned a little technical jargon.  Certainly helps when you are bidding on work too, that those guys want to work with people who know the process.

I went to a technical round table a couple months ago, and I've never felt so over my head in my entire professional career.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on June 04, 2019, 02:47:57 PM
I was out and about today and had some very deep pithy thoughts:

1.  Scooters.  I'm against them.  Some folks go flying by me by inches and if I happened to turn a bit there would be an incident.  Plus, they leave them strewn about everywhere, sometimes in nice flower beds.  These folks should walk.

8.  Uber or Lyft?  We have one car now and walk nearly everywhere we need to walk.  I was calculating how much the one car costs me per month and wondering if I can't just Uber everywhere, or rent a car for a trip if needed.
(1) Scooters would make more sense on a mixed-use or bicycle-type path. I agree that on sidewalks they are problematic. Infrastructure matters--as does common courtesy. I feel like the latter is not encouraged enough right now, but that's a separate rant.

(8) I use Lyft a lot, particularly when SFIrish needs our car; we rent an SUV when we go skiing (not that often), because our sedan won't do well in snow (and carrying ski gear, etc). Cars are more expensive than people realize, but I haven't done the math comparing rentals and car service rides to owning one car. Having one car has encouraged us to use transportation alternatives more, which I think has generally been good for us. Without kids at home, our needs would change a lot--maybe enough to get rid of our car.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 04, 2019, 03:14:56 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJ9twEldw_M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJ9twEldw_M)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on June 04, 2019, 03:51:19 PM
I'd like to live close enough to the golf course to simply drive my golf cart there and back

that would cut down on the number of barrels of oil for my V8 truck
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 04, 2019, 04:28:23 PM
There is no shortage of engineering jobs.
Badge, I wonder how much of your experience is colored by exposure to civil engineering / land surveying / etc.

I think those engineering disciplines are currently a lot less "sexy" than electrical engineering or computer science. I think with today's youth, working on something that affects a "screen" is more accessible to them than, say, performing structural analysis on a bridge design.

But maybe that's just the fact that I'm in the electrical world so perhaps I see a lot more interest in it than objectively exists...
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: GopherRock on June 05, 2019, 06:42:47 AM
Badge, I wonder how much of your experience is colored by exposure to civil engineering / land surveying / etc.

I think those engineering disciplines are currently a lot less "sexy" than electrical engineering or computer science. I think with today's youth, working on something that affects a "screen" is more accessible to them than, say, performing structural analysis on a bridge design.

But maybe that's just the fact that I'm in the electrical world so perhaps I see a lot more interest in it than objectively exists...
Perhaps. One of the main reasons why I went into civil engineering was that I got to physically see the end result of my work. Granted, I shaded more towards what some would call the softer side of civil engineering (which included transit planning, urban planning/land use policy, bikes/peds, and figuring out how the whole thing goes together). But for me, walking through the new bridge on I-90 over the Mississippi River near La Crosse or seeing an 81,000 pound bridge beam be put in place is incredibly cool.

Maybe I just never outgrew the trucks and train phase that all boys go through at one point or another.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 05, 2019, 06:45:00 AM
As a kid, I loved building stuff.  I always intended to be either a civil engineer or architect and go to GaTech, which would have made me a black sheep in my family.

Until my senior year in HS, something changed, including getting a smallish scholarship to UGA.  I didn't even apply to Tech.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 05, 2019, 08:17:55 AM
https://historycollection.co/20-myths-from-american-history-were-here-to-debunk/6/ (https://historycollection.co/20-myths-from-american-history-were-here-to-debunk/6/)

I didn't read all of these, but they seemed pretty minor to me.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on June 05, 2019, 10:28:08 AM
https://historycollection.co/20-myths-from-american-history-were-here-to-debunk/6/ (https://historycollection.co/20-myths-from-american-history-were-here-to-debunk/6/)

I didn't read all of these, but they seemed pretty minor to me.
I agree.
Some of those aren't even myths at all, because they are not widely believed.  (Who thinks that Thomas Jefferson personally negotiated the Louisiana Purchase?)  And there are bigger myths about the Great Depression than the supposed mass suicides on Wall Street.
We are big on debunking these days.  "Tell the good parts" became "Tell the whole story, warts and all," which has become "Tell nothing but the warts."
In every debunking book (Don't Know Much About History, Lies My Teacher Told Me, and their ilk) or article I've seen, including this one, new inaccuracies--myths, if you will--are produced to replace the old ones.
Every society develops myths about itself, especially about its founding.  If they aren't lies covering up terrible wrongs, like genocide or slavery, they seem relatively harmless to me.  Should we stop to remember, every 4th of July, that the Continental Congress actually voted for independence on 2 July, and go around correcting everyone who thinks the "wrong" way?  Does it matter greatly that George Washington did not chop down that cherry tree?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Mdot21 on June 05, 2019, 11:13:44 AM
8.  Uber or Lyft?  We have one car now and walk nearly everywhere we need to walk.  I was calculating how much the one car costs me per month and wondering if I can't just Uber everywhere, or rent a car for a trip if needed.
Lyft is generally a little bit cheaper than Uber. Maybe $4-5 cheaper per ride. They are both subsidizing the cost of rides by as much as 60% per ride and losing money out of the ass, but Lyft is subsidizing more aggressively in order to gain market share from the much bigger Uber.

Both are worthless piece of crap companies that are essentially Ponzi schemes that will never be profitable and most likely have to merge together or die.

I’ve been taking them both for years. Nice options for a drunk night out here or there or ride to the airport so you don’t have to get raped by the airport parking, but completely cost ineffective if you had to take them every day to get everywhere. And that’s with them subsidizing the ride 60%. If they had to charge $100 for that ride to the airport that’s costing you $40 right now- forget about it. 

It’s way cheaper just owning a cheap reliable Japanese car.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 05, 2019, 11:43:50 AM
Uber and Lyft around here cost nearly the same.  Many drivers do both at the same time.  I could live here without ever driving quite comfortably.  The wife drives to pilates and church routinely, and we like to take some short trips around the area, like to the history center, which is not walkable.

We generally take the subway to the airport unless we have a lot of luggage.    It's about $22 prime time before tip.  The subway is $2.50 and drops you right in the terminal.

                           
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Huskerfan_12 on June 05, 2019, 11:49:10 AM
Working in the trades (Steamfitter) a favorite saying is "It all fits on paper." Older tradesman often tell us on how layovers on blueprints have gone dramatically downhill. Most think this is due to technology. Project Managers, Engineers don't need to be onsite nearly as often. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on June 05, 2019, 12:38:49 PM
I've often used MARTA to get between ATL and Buckhead. It's often been faster than the drive.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 06, 2019, 07:59:30 AM
Favorite times of the year .... June is up there for me.  The heat has not yet struck with full force.  Everything is green.  I like baseball.  I think even the NBA is still playing, not sure.  A certain other sport is starting to seem to be somewhat close.  I can dip in the pool.  It's a nice time for "day trips" to the mountains or whatever.

Of course, today is a particular day in June when we recall folks who did something 75 years ago that was not pleasant.

Did you know there was a Russian battalion somewhat near the beaches?  Some Russians agreed to serve with the Germans (in lieu of a prison camp, and they may mostly have been Ukrainians).  They formed a battalion of dubious "quality" in Normandy, I think they looked for a quick way to surrender, I've never seen a real history of them.

I'm glad it's June, and I'm glad those men did what I'm not sure I could do.

(Not the Russians, our guys, I could have found a way to surrender probably.)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 07, 2019, 10:56:40 AM
The wife flew back from Boston yesterday arriving at 4:30, so the plan was for her to take the subway to the nearby station here, simple enough.  I go to meet her, and she texts that she has lost her pocketbook, bummer.  She is already through security when she realizes it's missing, so now it's a problem.  I hang around a bit and it's obvious this is going to take some time so I drift over to a local sports bar, Taco Mac, which is not my cup of tea really, I have a beer (Goose Island IPA, fine, and some chips).  The sports bar thing is something I tend to avoid, and this one is no different, while they have a hundred plus beers on tap and 50+ TVs, the food is second rate and the service is banal.  I hang for a while, finish, and start back to the condo, and just as I reach it the wife calls me and says they found her pocketbook still on the plane and return it to her with all her stuff.  She tells me this could never happen in France.

So, I turn around and reverse my path to the MARTA station but stop off at a small park to sit because I figure it will take her 25 minutes, in fact it took her 15 and she went to the wrong station at first and had to take another train south back to where I was, but she got there very fast.  It all worked out.  Moral of the story?

Most people here are honest.  While we were dining outside, a guy runs by yelling at some woman loudly, it caught our attention, but he was working at the next door restaurant and the lady had left HER pocketbook behind, so he caught her and returned it, as he walked by I gave him a thumbs up, not that it matters, a large black dude with dreadlocks who looked a bit rough sort of.  He smiled at me and thumbs up.

We'll go to that place soon.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 07, 2019, 11:56:46 AM
Beautiful day at the harbor, even though it's only 56 degrees. The NE wind off The Lake kills any chance of a warm day. It's still only 43 at the mid-lake buoy. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on June 07, 2019, 12:23:10 PM
expected high of 88 here

great golfing and beer drinking weather, been this way all week.  I played golf Monday, Wednesday and Thursday.  Going to take the night off, do some laundry, grill a steak at home, and rest up for the weekend filled with golf and Budweiser.

June is usually wonderful for golf here in NW Iowa
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 07, 2019, 12:51:22 PM
Cloudy and windy here, chance of rain, temperatures modest due to clouds, around 75°F right now.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on June 07, 2019, 02:23:18 PM
Women's World Cup starts today. Should be a good one. USWNT is the favorite, but it won't be easy.

CD, yes the NBA is still going, but unless Clay Thompson is healthy, the Warriors are in a big hole (KD is out, or so I hear).

Weather here is turning summery, which is nice. Doesn't get real hot here very much, but is clear and warm. Starting to think more about our trip to Maui which isn't very far away now.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 07, 2019, 02:43:33 PM
In other news, my new receiver showed up.  I was intimidated for a day just looking at the back of the thing.  I did get it hooked up this morning to the speakers and CD player and etc.  Have not tackled bluetooth and need some help connecting to TV (have to take TV off rack to connect longer optical).  It also is supposed to be balanced with a test tone using a provided microphone which I have not done but it sounds better, interestingly, and the wife likes how it looks.  I will put the old one here in the office.  That is a 14 year old Onkyo, so it stands to reason things are better now.  I got this "reconditioned", which I guess means someone bought it and returned it.  That was quite a bit of money off the price on Amazon.

I was musing about how "in the old days" a receiver had places for the speakers, maybe A and B, and some RCA plugs for phono and tape.

This one can drive two subwoofers, which is more than I need or can use here.  The wife likes how it looked, very clean front and all black.

(https://i.imgur.com/6xEcEIB.png)





Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 07, 2019, 02:52:20 PM
Weather here is turning summery, which is nice. Doesn't get real hot here very much, but is clear and warm. Starting to think more about our trip to Maui which isn't very far away now.
Ahh, reminds me of the old [apparently misattributed to Twain?] quote... "The coldest winter I ever saw was the summer I spent in San Francisco."

Down here in SoCal we've entered "June Gloom" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_Gloom). Typical morning weather is a marine layer that extends miles and miles inland [sometimes carrying light mist/drizzle], and at least today is expected to persist with full clouds until mid-afternoon, becoming sunny only in late afternoon. High of only around 71.

Planning to head out in the Jeep to some breweries on Sunday, though, when at least right now it's projected that the marine layer will break early and have a high of a little over 80. 

What do you guys have planned in Maui? If you've never done it, I recommend waking up [brutally] early and heading up for sunrise at the top of Mount Haleakala. It's really cool--bring a jacket though. It was about 32 degrees the morning we did it, which was ~Memorial Day. It sucks that you have to essentially wake up by 3 AM to make the drive to see it, so if you try it I recommend doing it on the first day or two when you're still jet-lagged and living on West Coast time--it'll feel more like 6 AM. 

Not sure how old your kids are or if they'd be capable, but when we went 3 years ago my wife and I did the crater hike and it was amazing...

https://modernhiker.com/hike/hiking-haleakala-crater/

 (https://modernhiker.com/hike/hiking-haleakala-crater/)It's a butt-kicker of a hike. Usually it's best to start a hike uphill at the start and downhill on the way back; this one is the opposite. You descend ~3000 ft into the crater for 8.5 miles and then climb 1500 ft on 2.5 mi of switchbacks back up to an exit point. And I didn't realize it until the next day, but the way into the crater you're on volcanic sand that requires a little more exertion to gain footing, so the next day my calves were absolutely torched. 

But even with that, it is an AMAZING hike. It's like going through multiple different ecosystems, i.e. starting out in a sort of moonscape with no vegatation due to the altitude, dropping down into some interesting plants you'll see almost nowhere else on earth (silversword), then as you get lower and into the area that sees more precipitation it's almost tropical, before climbing back out through rocky switchback trails on the side of the mountain. 

When they call it "strenuous" on the modern hiker site they mean it, so be forewarned. But if you think the family is up for it, it is truly a once-in-a-lifetime sort of hike. And if they're not up for the hike, I still recommend you drag their butts out of bed for the sunrise up there. It's worth it.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on June 07, 2019, 02:53:53 PM
I had a pretty solid system back in the day, but that was 20+ years ago.

I've thought about a new sound system to go with the 65" TV, but I fear it would bother my daughter's dog.

Besides, I'm cheap and I'm sure inflation has occurred with this equipment
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 07, 2019, 02:56:09 PM
Actually, stereo gear has gotten cheaper and better.  I've listened to some sound bar systems recently that were quite good, that is the way I'd suggest for TV sound.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 07, 2019, 02:56:39 PM
In other news, my new receiver showed up.
I'm torn... I'd like to get a receiver and a set of good speakers. Right now I play everything through a sound bar with a very small powered sub. And in my normal mode, I tend to go for "quality" even if it costs more. 

But... We rarely watch a lot of movies, and even more rarely action movies, such that I think I need full surround sound. And the bulk of the music we listen to is streaming from iHeartRadio or Slacker, so I worry that any money spent on great audio equipment is wasted by the quality if the source material... 

It's one of those things that I emotionally want but I know makes no sense logically given my use case. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on June 07, 2019, 02:57:24 PM


What do you guys have planned in Maui? If you've never done it, I recommend waking up [brutally] early and heading up for sunrise at the top of Mount Haleakala. It's really cool--bring a jacket though. It was about 32 degrees the morning we did it, which was ~Memorial Day. It sucks that you have to essentially wake up by 3 AM to make the drive to see it, so if you try it I recommend doing it on the first day or two when you're still jet-lagged and living on West Coast time--it'll feel more like 6 AM.
My teenage (at the time) daughters weren't up for waking at 3am, but we did make it to the top of Mount Haleakala in the afternoon.  Very impressive.  A must see.  Daughters still talk about it and want to go back.
In their 20's now, they still would not be up to seeing the sunrise at the top
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 07, 2019, 02:58:27 PM
On occasion, when able, I splurge and buy something I don't really need.  This is one of those times.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on June 07, 2019, 02:59:11 PM
I'm torn... I'd like to get a receiver and a set of good speakers. Right now I play everything through a sound bar with a very small powered sub. And in my normal mode, I tend to go for "quality" even if it costs more.

But... We rarely watch a lot of movies, and even more rarely action movies, such that I think I need full surround sound. And the bulk of the music we listen to is streaming from iHeartRadio or Slacker, so I worry that any money spent on great audio equipment is wasted by the quality if the source material...

It's one of those things that I emotionally want but I know makes no sense logically given my use case.
this is exactly where I'm at
the sound bar with a small sub is adequate for watching sports
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 07, 2019, 03:00:16 PM
I think the most impressive place I've ever been if the top of Mauna Kea at sunset, which is a bit south of Maui.  You can easily see Maui on a clear day from the Big Island.

As the sun sets, you hear this hum starting as the Kecks go into action and rotate and open.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 07, 2019, 03:01:42 PM
My teenage (at the time) daughters weren't up for waking at 3am, but we did make it to the top of Mount Haleakala in the afternoon.  Very impressive.  A must see.  Daughters still talk about it and want to go back.
In their 20's now, they still would not be up to seeing the sunrise at the top
My wife said she'd do the sunrise again, but never the hike. She was happy we did the hike, but once was enough ;)

I don't know if/when we'd ever do a Maui trip with the kids, but what would probably end up happening is that I'd drag them all up there for the sunrise, send my wife with my special needs son and my daughter back down the mountain, and do the hike with my oldest son and have the wife/other kids meet us with the car hours later at the pickup point. 

More than likely if we ever did it, my daughter [by her age that time, certainly at least teenage years] would be capable of the hike but I probably wouldn't want to her her bitch and whine the whole way lol... 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 07, 2019, 03:04:37 PM
Speaking of which, every time I walk into Costco I see these incredible TVs right up front (they must have some reason for that).  They are stunning.

I have a 65" but 1 K TV and the itch is starting.  I thought mine was something when I got it 4 years back.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on June 07, 2019, 03:06:56 PM
My wife said she'd do the sunrise again, but never the hike. She was happy we did the hike, but once was enough ;)

I don't know if/when we'd ever do a Maui trip with the kids, but what would probably end up happening is that I'd drag them all up there for the sunrise, send my wife with my special needs son and my daughter back down the mountain, and do the hike with my oldest son and have the wife/other kids meet us with the car hours later at the pickup point.

More than likely if we ever did it, my daughter [by her age that time, certainly at least teenage years] would be capable of the hike but I probably wouldn't want to her her bitch and whine the whole way lol...
We go to Maui every two to three years, so we generally don't try to pack too much in. We've done sunrise at Haleakala a couple of times with our kids, and a couple more before them. I would like to do the hike someday, but I don't think we're in the right shape for it now (my daughter could probably handle it no problem, but for being a teenager).

I think this time we will mostly be in relaxation mode. We always try for a hike somewhere inland, and we always spend a lot of time at the beach and pool. Someday I'd also like to spend a lot of time on my bike there, but it gets pretty windy in the afternoon, so it would have to be the morning. My cousin has ridden the race up Haleakala several times, and even won it once, but he's a much stronger cyclist than I'll ever be.

I'm still trying to convince the family to spend a few nights over at Hana, rather than making it a day trip, which we've done a couple of times. I think we would enjoy it more if we didn't have to get back the same day. But that's been an uphill battle.

We did the Big Island when the kids were a lot smaller. Not sure if we'll go back as a family; I suspect not.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on June 07, 2019, 03:10:16 PM
the two trips to Hawaii, Honolulu then Maui, where probably the two times my daughters did NOT bitch and whine
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 07, 2019, 03:12:37 PM
 Someday I'd also like to spend a lot of time on my bike there, but it gets pretty windy in the afternoon, so it would have to be the morning. My cousin has ridden the race up Haleakala several times, and even won it once, but he's a much stronger cyclist than I'll ever be.
I don't think I'd like to ride up the hill... My Purdue buddy did that when he went a couple years ago, but he's the sort of guy who rides 60+ miles just for fun.

I could definitely see doing one of those tours where you take a bus up the hill for sunrise, and then ride DOWN the hill lol. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on June 07, 2019, 03:35:25 PM
Curiously, the only people I know who have come down it didn't like it much. It's fast, lots of time on the brakes, tiring for the hands, shoulders, neck, etc., and you have to deal with a fair amount of auto traffic that can be challenging to interact with because your speed is often pretty close tot theirs.

And yeah, going up is only for the serious cyclist. The 60+ miles doesn't deter me--I'm happy doing that, too--but the near 10,000 feet of climbing, all in one shot, is daunting.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 07, 2019, 03:46:14 PM
The wife loves the Big Island.  It's quiet and peaceful and sunny.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on June 07, 2019, 03:50:17 PM
I like places that do not require a 9 hour flight
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 07, 2019, 03:53:59 PM
I"m getting somewhat used to long flights, in the 8-9 hour range.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on June 07, 2019, 03:59:32 PM
I'm not sure that is a good thing
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on June 07, 2019, 04:06:56 PM
On occasion, when able, I splurge and buy something I don't really need.  This is one of those times.


You bought Mount Haleakala?Some Maui Wowie or Kona Bud I can understand but sheesh
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 07, 2019, 04:21:33 PM
I only bought a third of it.  The rest is not for sale.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 07, 2019, 04:23:34 PM
Kauai is by far my favorite of the islands. And it's not close.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on June 07, 2019, 04:33:47 PM
My uncle lives on Kauai. We've visited and enjoyed it. My cousin moved to Oahu a few years back for a girl and stayed for the economy.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 07, 2019, 04:37:41 PM
When was it that you were last in Madison with me? I know CDawg was there, and maybe LilDawg? Who else? Yao Ming?


I know El Tigre outran Madison's finest with his SEC speed. What a night.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on June 07, 2019, 04:56:15 PM
2007, Iowa game. Hard to believe. L'il Dawg was there, as was CD.

I'm struggling to find when I might come this year. SFIrish is running for reelection to her local office, which takes a lot of mind space and emotional support heading into November.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 07, 2019, 07:09:23 PM
When was it that you were last in Madison with me? I know CDawg was there, and maybe LilDawg? Who else? Yao Ming?


I know El Tigre outran Madison's finest with his SEC speed. What a night.
Good times.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 07, 2019, 11:31:52 PM
Good times.
I remember your belly laugh when I spouted the SEC speed thing. I thought Lori was gonna have to give you CPR.



Precious moments. Gotta cherish. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 08, 2019, 06:53:21 AM
Yeah, he kept me up until like 3 AM with that jaunt and we had to book it early the next day to get him to the airport.  He thought Cinciy and Madison were near neighbors apparently.

We picked up L'il Dawg in Chicago.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on June 08, 2019, 08:33:13 AM
very good times

first time I meet the folks from the SEC
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on June 08, 2019, 10:46:44 AM
I see the jury laughed at the defense put on by Oberlin college in the defamation suit.  The plaintiffs, A 130 year old bakery, won big against the sjw crowd and College.   Punitives could pile up.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 08, 2019, 04:57:46 PM
Good weekend planned here. Went to our wine bar last night and then came home to make pasta from scratch. Today I'm brewing an IPA and then we're headed out for dinner before seeing Brad Paisley at the Irvine amphitheater. Tomorrow is Jeep therapy, headed to breweries in the sunshine and then coming home to cook steak and a new recipe: Brussels sprouts gratin. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 09, 2019, 05:19:42 AM
Rainy here, stormy, we sort of needed a bit of rain.  The various construction sites are not a sea of glutinous red mud.

Red clay, pine trees, kudzu, I missed these things.  Not so much the kudzu or red clay or pine pollen though.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 09, 2019, 06:07:40 AM
I get really good practical advice from Facebook memes.  The political advice is so varied though I get confused switching back and forth all the time, so I've decided I don't like anyone.  The diet and medical advice is also a bit confusing.  Keto or not?  That is the question.

Maybe I should aspire to a rational balanced diet and limit alcohol intake.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on June 09, 2019, 08:12:38 AM
I see the jury laughed at the defense put on by Oberlin college in the defamation suit.  The plaintiffs, A 130 year old bakery, won big against the sjw crowd and College.  Punitives could pile up.
What was the defense?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 09, 2019, 09:07:11 AM
I think the defense was that the college did not say anything defamatory about the shop.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on June 09, 2019, 09:13:17 AM
cool, rainy, and windy here today.  High near 70

63 degrees with 17 mph breeze at 1:30 tee time

will actually feel alright after a week in the upper 80s low 90s
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on June 09, 2019, 09:19:45 AM
I think the defense was that the college did not say anything defamatory about the shop.
So the jury laughed because the school actually did say something defamatory? Or because whatever was said is in that nebulous area of what is defamatory?

(It seems like a free speech question. The articles I found seemed a bit dodgy on the particulars of the speech. Of course, a case like this tends to turn on the minutia, even if it tends to get swept up in the rather broad flows of narrative and the world)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on June 09, 2019, 09:20:08 AM
cool, rainy, and windy here today.  High near 70

63 degrees with 17 mph breeze at 1:30 tee time

will actually feel alright after a week in the upper 80s low 90s
Raining a bunch here, just messing up my running plans. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on June 09, 2019, 09:33:39 AM
could mess up my golf plan, but I'm willing to retreat to the clubhouse during showers and resume the round later
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: GopherRock on June 09, 2019, 09:41:48 AM
When was it that you were last in Madison with me? I know CDawg was there, and maybe LilDawg? Who else? Yao Ming?


I know El Tigre outran Madison's finest with his SEC speed. What a night.
Didn't El Tigre's brazen display of SEC speed happen the first time all of you met in Madison? 2005?  I think I recall that story being told to me after I entered the fray, late in the 2007 campaign in Austin.

On an aside, I got married Friday. Mrs. GR likes football, alum of Michigan State, and is insisting on going to MN @ MSU game in 2020.

If any of you are around suburban Detroit on August 24, you should come by our reception there.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on June 09, 2019, 10:12:44 AM

On an aside, I got married Friday. Mrs. GR likes football
:singing:
GR,great news - It appears you chose wisely.I'll have a Yuengling and a shot of George Dickel 12 in your honor
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on June 09, 2019, 10:14:31 AM
Didn't El Tigre's brazen display of SEC speed happen the first time all of you met in Madison? 2005?  I think I recall that story being told to me after I entered the fray, late in the 2007 campaign in Austin.

On an aside, I got married Friday. Mrs. GR likes football, alum of Michigan State, and is insisting on going to MN @ MSU game in 2020.

If any of you are around suburban Detroit on August 24, you should come by our reception there.
Atta boy. Congrats!
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on June 09, 2019, 10:15:55 AM
Didn't El Tigre's brazen display of SEC speed happen the first time all of you met in Madison? 2005?  I think I recall that story being told to me after I entered the fray, late in the 2007 campaign in Austin.


this is what I remembered but since my memory is poor I was reluctant to post

I bought a couple sides of beef and mixed bloody marys
2005 Madison - Brian Calhoun punished Michigan
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on June 09, 2019, 10:16:49 AM
Yes, corngrats Gopher!

enjoy the ride
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 09, 2019, 10:25:44 AM
I was sitting with L'ilDawg scoreboard watching the UGA-Bama game.  We did not have smartphones back then.  I kept telling her the Dawgs had it in the bag and Bama tied it to force OT.  El Tigre by then had disappeared for good.

I think Matt Stafford completed a TD pass in the second OT to win it by 3 I think.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 09, 2019, 10:55:26 AM
I was sitting with L'ilDawg scoreboard watching the UGA-Bama game.  We did not have smartphones back then.  I kept telling her the Dawgs had it in the bag and Bama tied it to force OT.  El Tigre by then had disappeared for good.

I think Matt Stafford completed a TD pass in the second OT to win it by 3 I think.
Yep, it was 2007 for sure. You and SFBadge were there, and for sure were not there in 2005.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 09, 2019, 10:55:59 AM
Didn't El Tigre's brazen display of SEC speed happen the first time all of you met in Madison? 2005?  I think I recall that story being told to me after I entered the fray, late in the 2007 campaign in Austin.

On an aside, I got married Friday. Mrs. GR likes football, alum of Michigan State, and is insisting on going to MN @ MSU game in 2020.

If any of you are around suburban Detroit on August 24, you should come by our reception there.
Nah, it was not 2005.


Congrats!!
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 09, 2019, 11:07:08 AM
Congrats GR! 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 09, 2019, 11:07:13 AM
2007 sounds right.  I recall driving my nearly new Cadillac up there.  I was out of commission in 2005.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 09, 2019, 12:13:17 PM
2007 sounds right.  I recall driving my nearly new Cadillac up there.  I was out of commission in 2005.
Uh, yeah. I remember reading the paper and getting the message that you were not coming.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on June 09, 2019, 12:41:34 PM
Yes, corngrats Gopher!

enjoy the ride
As opposed to what a long strange trip it's been
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 09, 2019, 01:07:41 PM
https://www.dawgnation.com/football/georgia-uga-pollack-ncaa-fields-ford?fbclid=IwAR2t5pfR8kKHrKhf_6jEwSrGDI9fFgfYmTIeNy5a1nbnTTLqjJCf3D36wns
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on June 09, 2019, 08:30:08 PM
So the jury laughed because the school actually did say something defamatory? Or because whatever was said is in that nebulous area of what is defamatory?

(It seems like a free speech question. The articles I found seemed a bit dodgy on the particulars of the speech. Of course, a case like this tends to turn on the minutia, even if it tends to get swept up in the rather broad flows of narrative and the world)
The plaintiffs presented evidence at the trial (which the jury must have found credible) which demonstrated the cooperation by school administrators in the dissemination of libelous and defamatory materials (ex. one 'Dean' was actively promoting and distributing the materials).     The school rested its defense on a couple remarkable points, that they were 1. only protecting the forum/practice of free speech by the students who were defaming the plaintiffs and 2.  frankly the continuous belittling of the family business itself. summed up by the defendant's experts that it was a failing business and only worth $35,000 (or 1/2 a year as a student at Oberlin).

The brain dead email issued by the school after the verdicts and BEFORE the punitive damages phase was incredibly boneheaded.  They doubled down on their denial, criticizing the jury.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on June 09, 2019, 09:08:43 PM
The plaintiffs presented evidence at the trial (which the jury must have found credible) which demonstrated the cooperation by school administrators in the dissemination of libelous and defamatory materials (ex. one 'Dean' was actively promoting and distributing the materials).    The school rested its defense on a couple remarkable points, that they were 1. only protecting the forum/practice of free speech by the students who were defaming the plaintiffs and 2.  frankly the continuous belittling of the family business itself. summed up by the defendant's experts that it was a failing business and only worth $35,000 (or 1/2 a year as a student at Oberlin).

The brain dead email issued by the school after the verdicts and BEFORE the punitive damages phase was incredibly boneheaded.  They doubled down on their denial, criticizing the jury.
Thanks for the clarification. Sounds like a good way to lose a trial, especially appearing like they’re punching down.

Edit: After digging into the day-by-day coverage, the part when a university employee asked about leveraging the contract that had been discontinued to get charges dropped against the students, good lord. You deserve to be out some coin if you’re that dumb. The control of the students part seemed a bit of a stretch, at least with my public university background, but trip over yourselves with some of those text messages and the jury is going to award as much money as they’re allowed to. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on June 09, 2019, 09:38:36 PM
I've been out of town a solid week so have missed some of those final days of testimony, but that kind of posture and arrogance deserves to be exposed in this fashion.  They so desperately wanted all of this to be true and did not care one bit for who was in their wake.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 09, 2019, 10:29:41 PM
So a 2nd Florida player from the '06 NC team committed murder.  S Tony Joiner #19, in addition to TE Aaron Hernandez.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on June 09, 2019, 11:09:08 PM
David Ortiz was shot in the DR (wounded, not known how serious) according to his father.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on June 10, 2019, 10:17:23 AM
So a 2nd Florida player from the '06 NC team committed murder.  S Tony Joiner #19, in addition to TE Aaron Hernandez.
thugs win championships
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on June 10, 2019, 10:19:21 AM
David Ortiz was shot in the DR (wounded, not known how serious) according to his father.
I'm probably going to smh when you tell me, but what is "DR"?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on June 10, 2019, 10:21:46 AM
Dominican Republic
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on June 10, 2019, 12:08:40 PM
And now for something completely different...

Saw Hamilton this weekend with the family. Wow. Great show.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Mdot21 on June 10, 2019, 12:42:29 PM
just saw the new Mac Pro that Apple unveiled and some leaked photos of the iPhone 11. Yuck. Damn computer costs a fortune and it looks like a cheese grater. If the leaks of the iPhone 11 are true, then holy shit. Count me out. I'm jumping off the Apple bandwagon and I've had all Apple everything since the original iPhone.

I was the biggest Apple stan ever. Pretty amazing just how fast Tim Cook is destroying that company.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 10, 2019, 06:22:55 PM
And now for something completely different...

Saw Hamilton this weekend with the family. Wow. Great show.
I really liked it. 

As someone who has studied the Revolutionary period quite heavily, I thought it was historically accurate too. And as someone who--for various political reasons--is not a fan of Hamilton the man, was worried that it would lionize him. But in reality, it was focused on the positives and the negatives of one of the less-understood Founding Fathers. All while being quite entertaining.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on June 10, 2019, 07:45:26 PM
I wasn't sure what I would think of the music as it's generally not my style. I liked the way it tells his story--as you say, without lionizing him. It was definitely the most powerful musical I have seen.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 11, 2019, 12:16:40 AM
King George was hilarious too... 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 11, 2019, 03:41:02 AM
The wife wanted to see Hamilton here a year or so back, the cheapest ticket I could find was over $300.  She demurred.  Everyone says it's very good.

Personally, I would prefer to spend the time reading a book about him, but perhaps I miss the point.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on June 11, 2019, 08:18:14 AM
The wife wanted to see Hamilton here a year or so back, the cheapest ticket I could find was over $300.  She demurred.  Everyone says it's very good.

Personally, I would prefer to spend the time reading a book about him, but perhaps I miss the point.
Yeah, it's a fantastic show, and hopefully made people want to read a book about him.  But if you go to the show TO learn about him, you missed the mark.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 11, 2019, 10:10:46 AM
It's a musical, not a documentary. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 11, 2019, 10:12:12 AM
My son just performed in "1776" at his school last night with his 5th grade class. He was the lead (John Adams) and crushed it. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 11, 2019, 10:14:29 AM
For whatever reason, I never cared for musicals or operas or movies with a lot of singing.  I'm actually going to an opera on Friday, I kind of got hooked into that one and I'm not paying for it.  I don't even recall which opera it is, I might sleep through most of it.

Based on everyone's reviews, I suspect I would enjoy Hamilton though, but not at $300 each.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 11, 2019, 10:18:53 AM
Good luck sleeping through an opera. I got sucked into one while we were in Italy and my ears are still ringing.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on June 11, 2019, 11:45:01 AM
Yeah, if you don't particularly like musical theater, dropping the coin for Hamilton doesn't seem to make much sense. But for people who do like it (like the wife, perhaps?) it's worth it. We made it our main family Christmas gift, accounting for the price and all.

Count me among those whose reaction to the musical is to want to read the biography it is (loosely) based on.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on June 11, 2019, 11:55:59 AM
Count me among those whose reaction to the musical is to want to read the biography it is (loosely) based on.
And if IIRC he didn't do any research other than read the one biography, and (as with any singular biography) other historians dispute some of the stances of that one book.  Namely any romantic relationship with his sister-in-law, and just how progressive his views towards slavery actually were.

So not only is it not a documentary, it is a musical interpretation of one take on his life
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 11, 2019, 03:38:49 PM
Especially with something missing from most people's list of usual leisure activities (like the opera or musical theater), one must wonder how much your special lady wants to see Hamilton because she wants to see it vs seeing it so she can say she saw it.  Ugh.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 11, 2019, 04:15:52 PM
Especially with something missing from most people's list of usual leisure activities (like the opera or musical theater), one must wonder how much your special lady wants to see Hamilton because she wants to see it vs seeing it so she can say she saw it.  Ugh.
My special lady is quite cultured, thanyouverymuch. 

She enjoys quite a bit of musical theater, although I think Hamilton had special significance since one of her BAs is in History.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 11, 2019, 04:22:44 PM
Let the parade of anecdotal, sample size of one exceptions begin!   
I was obviously talking about the masses, not you or any one else here.  :34:
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on June 11, 2019, 04:34:21 PM
I also think that one is quite different because it isn't a traditional musical.  I have friends who don't like musicals who own the soundtrack to that one.  It's not like going to see Rent in the 90s or something.  And even that could be argued as more of an unconventional rock musical like Tommy-lite, as opposed to a traditional musical.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 11, 2019, 04:59:42 PM
Let the parade of anecdotal, sample size of one exceptions begin! 
I was obviously talking about the masses, not you or any one else here.  :34:
Well, I suppose I see where you're coming from. Certain shows do get over-hyped. 


I also think that one is quite different because it isn't a traditional musical.  I have friends who don't like musicals who own the soundtrack to that one.  It's not like going to see Rent in the 90s or something.  And even that could be argued as more of an unconventional rock musical like Tommy-lite, as opposed to a traditional musical.
You may be proving OAM's point. 

Why do they own the soundtrack? I thought the music was excellent, but I can't imagine the soundtrack from Hamilton is something I'd listen to on a random Wednesday night. I think there are some musicals which might be justified to buy the soundtrack [I have not yet seen Phantom of the Opera, but from everything I've heard it might qualify], but Hamilton's music was tied to the history and the show--if you're not into that, I can't see the allure. 

The only thing I could possibly see is that it's a lot more "hip-hop" type tunes than typical musical show tunes, but even then, if you don't like musical theater, I think owning the soundtrack is like making sure you've bought the perfectly interesting coffee-table book that you've never read but looks impressive when guests come over. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on June 11, 2019, 05:35:02 PM
no idear what y'all are talking about

obviously, us poor dirt farmers from the plains don't frequent the theater

I have been there a few times and I've always enjoyed it.  Some more than others.  I wonder why I don't go more often, then I remember they charge admission.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on June 11, 2019, 05:41:07 PM
I think I'm on the flipside of this one.

I love musical theater.  I was an actor through all of junior high and high school, and performed in several musicals over that period including Carnival, Guys and Dolls, and West Side Story.   My dad was also in drama and raised us listening to the soundtracks for The Fantastics, King and I, South Pacific, and dozens of others (right alongside Willie Nelson and Kris Kristofferson albums).  I was also in band from 6th-12th grade playing French horn on hundreds of symphonic pieces, including many scores for musical theater pieces.

So I have a great appreciation for musical theater, and own the scores and soundtracks to a couple dozen, my favorites of which are probably Phantom of the Opera, Evita, Miss Saigon, and Les Miserables (each of which I've seen in person several times).

But for me, Hamilton was just okay.  The story was clever but the music wasn't all that great.  Just my opinion of course, but it's certainly not something I would go out and buy to listen to over and over again, nor do I feel the need to see the production a second time.  Still, I'm happy that this particular art piece appears to have moved so many people, especially those who aren't ordinarily into musicals.  Perhaps some of those folks will find their way to other musicals and learn to enjoy the entire genre.  Wouldn't that be something?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on June 11, 2019, 06:24:11 PM
Well, I suppose I see where you're coming from. Certain shows do get over-hyped.

You may be proving OAM's point.

Why do they own the soundtrack? I thought the music was excellent, but I can't imagine the soundtrack from Hamilton is something I'd listen to on a random Wednesday night. I think there are some musicals which might be justified to buy the soundtrack [I have not yet seen Phantom of the Opera, but from everything I've heard it might qualify], but Hamilton's music was tied to the history and the show--if you're not into that, I can't see the allure.

The only thing I could possibly see is that it's a lot more "hip-hop" type tunes than typical musical show tunes, but even then, if you don't like musical theater, I think owning the soundtrack is like making sure you've bought the perfectly interesting coffee-table book that you've never read but looks impressive when guests come over.
I own the soundtrack and will randomly listen to it.  I think it stands on its own better than any other musical.  We do own others because my wife directs her school musical, and we own season tickets.  But Hamilton is the only one I will sometimes put on when driving alone.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 11, 2019, 06:30:40 PM
No interest yesterday, today or tomorrow.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on June 11, 2019, 06:44:36 PM
No interest yesterday, today or tomorrow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GENfFXmLUHw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GENfFXmLUHw)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 11, 2019, 06:49:53 PM
I like music of most kinds, the older the better.  We mostly listen to classical, but I enjoy jazz and blues and the wife likes classic country which I fire up at times.  Her daughter who lives in France always has country on the car radio, it's kind of funny to me.

The wife tends to prefer American wines and I tend to prefer French, on balance, viva la difference.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on June 11, 2019, 07:31:16 PM
I like music of most kinds, the older the better.  We mostly listen to classical, but I enjoy jazz and blues and the wife likes classic country which I fire up at times.  Her daughter who lives in France always has country on the car radio, it's kind of funny to me.

The wife tends to prefer American wines and I tend to prefer French, on balance, viva la difference.


Did you know there's a genre of music called "FrancoCountry?"  It's mostly from Quebec, but there are some actual French artists in the mix as well.  Strange stuff, oui?
 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 11, 2019, 07:33:25 PM
Some Protestants viewed the Gregorian calendar as a Catholic plot.

Though Pope Gregory’s papal bull reforming the calendar had no power beyond the Catholic Church, Catholic countries—including Spain, Portugal and Italy—swiftly adopted the new system for their civil affairs. European Protestants, however, largely rejected the change because of its ties to the papacy, fearing it was an attempt to silence their movement. It wasn’t until 1700 that Protestant Germany switched over, and England held out until 1752. Orthodox countries clung to the Julian calendar until even later, and their national churches have never embraced Gregory’s reforms.

Obscure information department, I did not know about Franco-Country.  At all.  Until now.  I did see a movie about a French NASCAR driver, it was pretty good.  Just say you like thin pancakes.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on June 11, 2019, 08:04:19 PM
Some Americans thought Kennedy's candidacy was a Catholic plot.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 11, 2019, 08:09:14 PM
Conspiracy theorists' biggest fault is their assumption that other people spend their time obsessing about things like they do.  They assume other people are spending the same amount of time avoiding discovery as the conspiracy theorists take unveiling secrets.  It really, simply just comes down to that.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on June 11, 2019, 08:43:33 PM
Quite true.  Preoccupation with what's between your ears is no way towards self improvement or awareness.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on June 11, 2019, 10:45:33 PM
I like music of most kinds, the older the better.  We mostly listen to classical, but I enjoy jazz and blues and the wife likes classic country which I fire up at times.  Her daughter who lives in France always has country on the car radio, it's kind of funny to me.

The wife tends to prefer American wines and I tend to prefer French, on balance, viva la difference.


classic country like Hank SR.?
I like Argentina wines with steaks, thanks to you
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on June 11, 2019, 10:46:22 PM
Their biggest fault is that everything hinges on the notion that any group of people can keep a secret.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on June 11, 2019, 11:21:09 PM
I saw the touring company of Rossini's The Barber of Seville about 25 years ago.  It was maybe my 3rd opera (after Gounod's Faust and something or other I can't remember).  I thought it was great, and was stunned to hear the Overture, which everyone who ever watched Bugs Bunny would find very familiar, the origin of which I had not known.  I have since learned that Rossini recycled some of his own previous work for the Overture.

The leading lady part is The Barber of Seville is Rosina.  In the production I saw, she was played/sung by a lovely young Chinese woman.  For about 5 minutes it seemed incongruous, but then I didn't think about it until the show was over.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 11, 2019, 11:31:13 PM
Quite true.  Preoccupation with what's between your ears is no way towards self improvement or awareness.
Yes, preoccupation on Us Weekly, talk radio, or college football recruiting is so much better! :57:
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 12, 2019, 07:20:13 AM
We might go to Seville next year so I can get a haircut.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on June 12, 2019, 08:21:09 AM
Their biggest fault is that everything hinges on the notion that any group of people can keep a secret.
Well we can because no one knows we're here
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on June 12, 2019, 08:24:48 AM
For whatever reason, I never cared for musicals or operas or movies with a lot of singing.  I'm actually going to an opera on Friday, I kind of got hooked into that one and I'm not paying for it.  I don't even recall which opera it is, I might sleep through most of it.

Based on everyone's reviews, I suspect I would enjoy Hamilton though, but not at $300 each.
For 300 Bucks I want to talk to Hamilton but I'm sure that could be arranged so maybe I should shut up
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on June 12, 2019, 09:47:20 AM
http://orpheumlive.com/event/theresa-caputo-live-the-experience-2/ (http://orpheumlive.com/event/theresa-caputo-live-the-experience-2/)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on June 12, 2019, 10:09:52 AM
http://orpheumlive.com/event/theresa-caputo-live-the-experience-2/ (http://orpheumlive.com/event/theresa-caputo-live-the-experience-2/)
I have a feeling that, looking back, that "missing shoulders" look is going to seem as goofy as bell-bottoms and platform shoes.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on June 12, 2019, 10:14:01 AM
what's goofy about my corduroy bell bottoms?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on June 12, 2019, 10:17:43 AM
what's goofy about my corduroy bell bottoms?
Nothing.  Nothing at all.  You keep wearing them for as long as you like.
Keep wearing that lime-green leisure suit too.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on June 12, 2019, 01:25:14 PM
Nothing.  Nothing at all.  You keep wearing them for as long as you like.
Keep wearing that lime-green leisure suit too.
Ya the ones with the wide lapels and don't forget the platform shoes like KC from the Sunshine Band.It's the rage now,get your game on this fri/sat
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on June 12, 2019, 01:27:20 PM
We might go to Seville next year so I can get a haircut.
Didn't get any haircuts, but SFIrish took the kids to Seville last summer. They loved it.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on June 12, 2019, 01:45:47 PM
Ya the ones with the wide lapels and don't forget the platform shoes like KC from the Sunshine Band.It's the rage now,get your game on this fri/sat
Take a look at this!
Hey, man, that suit is you!
You'll get some leg tonight for sure!
Tell us how you do!
(Come on, Dave, give me a break.)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on June 12, 2019, 05:45:31 PM
Take a look at this!
Hey, man, that suit is you!
You'll get some leg tonight for sure!
Tell us how you do!
(Come on, Dave, give me a break.)

What movie is that from?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on June 12, 2019, 07:58:53 PM
What movie is that from?
That's not a movie scene.

"Unchained", Fair Warning album, Van Halen, 1981.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 12, 2019, 08:06:01 PM
That's not a movie scene.

"Unchained", Fair Warning album, Van Halen, 1981.
One break... Coming Uuuppp!!
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 13, 2019, 07:29:11 AM
Anyone watch game 7 last night? That Blues goalie was amazing. Yes, he had some help up front, but some of the plays he made were not human. Very impressive.

I'm happy that the Blues beat the Goons.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on June 13, 2019, 07:46:34 AM
It was a dandy of an outcome.  Blues held off quite the assault end of 2nd and into 3rd.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on June 13, 2019, 07:49:52 AM
What movie scene;) was this From?

I don't feel tardy.

I dropped my pencil!

Give me something to write on man.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 13, 2019, 09:35:43 AM
What movie scene;) was this From?

I don't feel tardy.

I dropped my pencil!

Give me something to write on man.
Varsity Blues? Strip club scene?

(I know they used the song, but don't recall whether they had the full intro.) 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on June 13, 2019, 10:08:20 AM
1981 was a very good year
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 13, 2019, 10:57:22 AM
Hot for Teacher.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on June 13, 2019, 11:50:38 AM
Hot for Teacher.
We used that for the garter song when we got married.  That suggestion was my lone contribution to wedding planning.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on June 13, 2019, 11:55:28 AM
Anyone watch game 7 last night? That Blues goalie was amazing. Yes, he had some help up front, but some of the plays he made were not human. Very impressive.

I'm happy that the Blues beat the Goons.
The Lord be Praised,I couldn't stand the proper uppity Bostonians getting another title.That was the Blues 1st I believe
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on June 13, 2019, 11:56:04 AM
1981 was a very good year
from what I remember
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on June 13, 2019, 12:55:13 PM
the year I  converted from a Buckeye to a Husker!
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Entropy on June 13, 2019, 01:09:24 PM
I've been listening to this band for about a month now... very different from my usual music preferences.  The more I listen, the more I'm enjoying it. 

https://youtu.be/QRg_8NNPTD8

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on June 13, 2019, 01:25:15 PM
very different

the only thing I would add would be Ted Nugent and his axe
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on June 13, 2019, 03:44:25 PM
the year I  converted from a Buckeye to a Husker!
The Horror
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on June 13, 2019, 03:59:26 PM
I've been listening to this band for about a month now... very different from my usual music preferences.  The more I listen, the more I'm enjoying it.

https://youtu.be/QRg_8NNPTD8


Is this something that should be experienced on Peyote?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on June 13, 2019, 04:32:04 PM
The Horror
could have been worse

I retained my strong dislike of Michigan
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on June 13, 2019, 07:40:20 PM
You're a good man FF
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 14, 2019, 06:56:08 AM
3.5 hours of opera, ugh.  That was painful.

No more for me.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 14, 2019, 07:25:52 AM
Heh. Were you able to fall asleep?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on June 14, 2019, 08:08:23 AM
I enjoy opera, but it's definitely not something I want to do every weekend or anything.  I've seen a few that have toured through town, and was lucky enough to see Don Giovanni at the Prague Opera House whilst on vacation there a few years back.  That was pretty amazing.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 14, 2019, 08:13:20 AM
Dozed a bit and the clapping woke me, just way way too long, somebody got married, I think, mebbe ...
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on June 14, 2019, 09:38:46 AM
never been to one, not on my current bucket list

I'd rather spend $550 to play Pebble Beach

that probably won't happen either
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 14, 2019, 09:41:02 AM
I'd rather have my finger nails plucked out than go to another opera.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 14, 2019, 10:05:41 AM
Had it been a hour plus, fine with me.  I attend two hour concerts often enough.  Not three and a half.  

Some of the music is nice, Mozart etc.

Lesson learned, at least it was free to me.

Cold up here.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: GopherRock on June 14, 2019, 10:42:16 AM
And now for something completely different...

Saw Hamilton this weekend with the family. Wow. Great show.
Saw Hamilton this week in Chicago on the mini-moon. Great show indeed. It helped to have listened to the soundtrack, and know the history of Alexander Hamilton. If you hadn't done either, you would struggle with it. Also, since the soundtrack was so unevenly mixed, seeing which characters were doing the singing made the whole thing make more sense. 

Lin-Manuel Miranda is a damn genius. Turning a Cabinet meeting about debt assumption into a rap battle that we can understand? 

Normally having a musical sung-through is a gigantic distraction (see Miserables, Les), but this wasn't. And I'm not a huge hip-hop or spoken word guy.

As for cost, we got the tickets far enough in advance where we bought them at the list price. However, I think I bought the most uncomfortable theater seat in the entire city of Chicago. Even the Mrs., who is nearly a foot shorter than me, was having problems with it (there were some seating shifts at intermission).
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on June 14, 2019, 12:16:53 PM
Put this up on the Facebook, but I'm not very original, so I'm putting it here, too...(cuz you guys are my main social media):

Since this day in 1775 when the Continental Congress authorized the organization of a rag-tag group of citizen soldiers to defend Boston, the U.S. Army has answered the call and served our democracy. From Bunker Hill to Gettysburg, from the Marne, to Normandy to Okinawa, from Pusan, to, yes, Saigon, Falluja, and Kandahar, as well as Little Rock, Arkansas, our citizen soldiers have supported and defended the United States, serving at the People's will.

"You may fly over a land forever; you may bomb it, atomize it, and wipe it clean of life - but if you desire to defend it, protect it,and keep it for civilization, you must do this on the ground, the way the Roman Legions did - by putting your soldiers in the mud." (That's from T.R. Fehrenbach's This Kind of War.)

This We'll Defend.


Happy 244th Birthday, United States Army.


Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 14, 2019, 12:28:01 PM
Funny how a single event can color ones tastes for a long time.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on June 14, 2019, 01:52:55 PM
Put this up on the Facebook, but I'm not very original, so I'm putting it here, too...(cuz you guys are my main social media):

Since this day in 1775 when the Continental Congress authorized the organization of a rag-tag group of citizen soldiers to defend Boston, the U.S. Army has answered the call and served our democracy. From Bunker Hill to Gettysburg, from the Marne, to Normandy to Okinawa, from Pusan, to, yes, Saigon, Falluja, and Kandahar, as well as Little Rock, Arkansas, our citizen soldiers have supported and defended the United States, serving at the People's will.

"You may fly over a land forever; you may bomb it, atomize it, and wipe it clean of life - but if you desire to defend it, protect it,and keep it for civilization, you must do this on the ground, the way the Roman Legions did - by putting your soldiers in the mud." (That's from T.R. Fehrenbach's This Kind of War.)

This We'll Defend.


Happy 244th Birthday, United States Army.
"This We'll Defend."  There it is.

Today is also Flag Day.

I love This Kind of War.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on June 14, 2019, 02:38:01 PM
Saw Hamilton this week in Chicago on the mini-moon. Great show indeed. It helped to have listened to the soundtrack, and know the history of Alexander Hamilton. If you hadn't done either, you would struggle with it. Also, since the soundtrack was so unevenly mixed, seeing which characters were doing the singing made the whole thing make more sense.

Lin-Manuel Miranda is a damn genius. Turning a Cabinet meeting about debt assumption into a rap battle that we can understand?

Normally having a musical sung-through is a gigantic distraction (see Miserables, Les), but this wasn't. And I'm not a huge hip-hop or spoken word guy.

As for cost, we got the tickets far enough in advance where we bought them at the list price. However, I think I bought the most uncomfortable theater seat in the entire city of Chicago. Even the Mrs., who is nearly a foot shorter than me, was having problems with it (there were some seating shifts at intermission).
I don't find the singing in Les Miserables to be a gigantic distraction and for me it is a far better musical across the board compared to Hamilton.  But, it takes all kinds. :)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 14, 2019, 03:47:25 PM
I'd rather have my finger nails plucked than see a musical again. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on June 14, 2019, 03:54:31 PM
Uncultured heathen.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on June 14, 2019, 04:06:45 PM
his finger nails are well kept
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on June 14, 2019, 09:14:18 PM
Did someone bet FOX they couldn't make their US Open coverage worse?  Compared to adding Joel Klatt, Joe Buck seems like a smart choice.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on June 14, 2019, 10:00:23 PM
Klatt = a buffalo
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on June 14, 2019, 10:16:58 PM
The video production of Fox's golf coverage is easily the best IMO.  The talking head talent isn't.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on June 14, 2019, 10:40:46 PM
Klatt = a buffalo
I hear that Ralphie's a cow.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on June 14, 2019, 10:42:23 PM
where in the wide world of sports would you hear something like that?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on June 14, 2019, 10:43:38 PM
I must have dreamed it.

It would make a good story if true.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on June 15, 2019, 08:54:43 AM
Klatt = a buffalo
I like Klatt and Johnson covering CFB,not bad at all IMO.Not sure about golf coverage
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 15, 2019, 10:17:15 AM
Football is not that far off.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on June 15, 2019, 10:23:02 AM
I like Klatt and Johnson covering CFB,not bad at all IMO.Not sure about golf coverage
Klatt sucks across the board.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on June 15, 2019, 11:32:53 AM
Why's that?After listening to a whole litany of yapping jackels,he seems reasonable.Granted many times I'm watching and commenting on the SOC live game threads or have the radio on but I've listened to too many dim bulbs that are not only inaccurate but boring to boot.IMO he pairs nicely with Johnson.I'll give a closer listen maybe this season and search for your grievances
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on June 15, 2019, 03:01:17 PM
I like Klatt way better than anyone on ESPN, especially that douche-nozzle Herbstreit.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 15, 2019, 03:05:51 PM
Meh.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on June 15, 2019, 05:06:57 PM
We accepted an offer on our home today.  :06:


Now to get through the end of the build....
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on June 16, 2019, 10:12:32 AM
Congrats and good luck!

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 16, 2019, 09:19:46 PM
My bud who is on OSU fan wants to see a Texas game in October with me.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on June 16, 2019, 09:53:32 PM
Okie State fan?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 17, 2019, 06:51:17 AM
THE Ohio State University ... of course ...
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on June 17, 2019, 07:44:40 AM
THEE Ohio State University ... of course ...
FIFY
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 17, 2019, 08:54:57 AM
We accepted an offer on our home today.  :06:


Now to get through the end of the build....
Congrats! Big relief I'm sure.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on June 17, 2019, 10:06:02 AM
THE Ohio State University ... of course ...
why would a bucknut want to watch the Horns?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on June 17, 2019, 11:39:49 AM
Bagman I'm guessin',CD is well connected
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 17, 2019, 12:16:05 PM
My buddy and I try and see a game somewhere each year.  We missed last year, but were chatting when I was in Cincy over some good wine and came out with Texas.

He says he's never been to Austin and I have a kid living just south of there.

We are looking for a game in October perhaps against a decent but lesser opponent, maybe ISU.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on June 17, 2019, 12:35:35 PM
ISU might just give them a game this season - heck, my brother might attend that one, he spent one semester in Ames waiting for Nebraska in-state residency
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on June 19, 2019, 04:40:21 PM
Looks like Brody should have hired the Big Nutz Required II instead of Quinn

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/watch-great-white-shark-circle-boat-new-jersey-fishermen-n1019216
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on June 19, 2019, 08:18:37 PM
My buddy and I try and see a game somewhere each year.  We missed last year, but were chatting when I was in Cincy over some good wine and came out with Texas.

He says he's never been to Austin and I have a kid living just south of there.

We are looking for a game in October perhaps against a decent but lesser opponent, maybe ISU.
Coolio, let me know if you're coming down and hopefully we can hang out.  Also, I'll try to do a better job of directing you to the good food than your previous hosts did. :)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on June 19, 2019, 08:23:03 PM
Just checked our schedule, ISU is actually in Ames this year and it's in November.

Because Texas is the "home" team in Dallas at the Cotton Bowl for TX-OU, we actually only have one October home game in Austin this year, and it's against Kansas on October 19th.  Should be pretty easy to come by relatively inexpensive tickets for that game, and the weather will likely be great.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on June 21, 2019, 09:48:46 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/WUkuZeR.png)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 21, 2019, 02:51:39 PM
Lewis Grizzard

https://www.dawgsports.com/2019/6/12/18660664/grizzards-best-line-on-food-bbq-vote-now (https://www.dawgsports.com/2019/6/12/18660664/grizzards-best-line-on-food-bbq-vote-now)



Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 21, 2019, 02:58:09 PM
I grew up in a very large family in a very small house. I never slept alone until after I was married. Lewis Grizzard

Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/authors/lewis_grizzard

In the south there's a difference between 'Naked' and 'Nekkid.' 'Naked' means you don't have any clothes on. 'Nekkid' means you don't have any clothes on and you're up to somethin'. (https://www.azquotes.com/quote/817982)

"Have you done your homework?" my mother would ask. "I'll do it later." "You will do it now, young man. I don't want you winding up on the third shift at Flagg-Utica." Flagg-Utica was a local textile plant. Somehow, I never could figure how failing to read three chapters in my geography book about the various sorts of vegetation to be found in a tropical rain forest had anything to do with facing a life as a mill hand. But with enough guilt and fear as catalysts, you can read anything, even geography books and Deuteronomy. (https://www.azquotes.com/quote/571348)

The game of life is a lot like football. You have to tackle your problems, block your fears, and score your points when you get the opportunity. (https://www.azquotes.com/quote/118159)

Baptists never make love standing up. They're afraid someone might see them and think they're dancing. (https://www.azquotes.com/quote/817980)

If I Ever Get Back to Georgia, I'm Gonna Nail My Feet to the Ground. (https://www.azquotes.com/quote/1384647)

Today's sensitive male has learned to share in open frank discussions about relationships like, "Where the hell did you get a crazy idea like that? You been reading Redbook again?" (https://www.azquotes.com/quote/776738)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on June 21, 2019, 03:06:29 PM
How do you keep a Baptist from drinking all of your beer on a fishing trip?

Invite another Baptist.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 21, 2019, 03:19:18 PM
The wife is becoming very Southern, except for the accent, which I suppose will remain intact.  She loves grits, fried chicken, greens, sweet tea, and hot weather.

She's not a Baptist though.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on June 21, 2019, 04:19:20 PM
French Southern gals?  That's hot.  She's a keeper, my friend! :)

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 21, 2019, 04:31:08 PM
No doubt, whether I am or not is the question.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on June 21, 2019, 10:53:16 PM
I think a little sugar in cornbread is just fine.

And, no, I don't put beans in my chili.

Grits.  Who, acting out of what sense of desperation, invented that as food for people?  Probably the same guy who first fried okra.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 21, 2019, 11:25:45 PM
Grits is a means to provide corn in a storable way without refrigeration.  It can be superb if properly prepared.  IMHO.

Fried okra is probably my favorite veg.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 22, 2019, 12:45:45 AM
Grits are just cornbread or tortilla molecules with no bonds.  With butter and bacon crumbles, that's all you need.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 22, 2019, 05:18:44 AM
Well, there is the hominy step of course, but I fergit hominy steps there are now.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on June 22, 2019, 10:51:12 AM
Grits is a means to provide corn in a storable way without refrigeration.  It can be superb if properly prepared.  IMHO.

Fried okra is probably my favorite veg.
Well, there you are.

I like a lot of southern food.  Fried chicken and beans w/ cornbread top the list.

But I draw the line at fried okra.  When I was growing up, everyone in my family liked 'em except for me.  Every family get-together, there they'd be, stinking up the kitchen and the dining room.

I don't like collared greens either.  Whatever you season 'em with, however much bacon you add, you still taste the bitterness.

Grits are actually OK, I suppose.  Inoffensive nothingness, however prepared.  They taste like whatever you put on 'em.  How they are still considered a regional delicacy is beyond me, though.

None of these foods got started because they were good.  They got started because better food either wasn't available or wasn't affordable.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on June 22, 2019, 10:51:55 AM

Fried okra is probably my favorite veg.
Not sure it's edible any other way.At least not like Zuccini/Yellow Squash/Egg Plant,IMHO
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on June 22, 2019, 10:54:48 AM
Not sure [okra]'s edible any other way.At least not like Zuccini/Yellow Squash/Egg Plant,IMHO
It's OK pickled, IMO.

I think God created okra to be fed to pigs.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 22, 2019, 11:19:19 AM
Most southern food types reflect lack of refrigeration back in the day.  I just read a book called "Salt".  It goes on too long in parts, but it was interesting.



(https://i.imgur.com/MZrqz7U.png)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 22, 2019, 11:24:00 AM
What cool names do you have on your CFB team this season?

D'Andre Swift is a good one.  And he is.

Ameer Speed

Jake Fromm (State Farm)

John Seter (he is buried on the depth chart)

Josh Moran (tough kid, with a clue)

Stetson Bennett  (kid with the hat)

Zion Logue

Makiya Tongue

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 22, 2019, 11:24:48 AM
I love okra however it is prepared, and in soup.  An Indian place near us serves it thinly sliced and flash fried, it's amazing.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on June 22, 2019, 12:10:36 PM
It's OK pickled, IMO.

I think God created okra to be fed to pigs.
Take that back or CD's libel to give you a good dutch rub
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 22, 2019, 12:30:08 PM
So, LSU.

https://sports.yahoo.com/new-revelations-expand-ls-us-ncaa-issues-003319448.html


Shocking, I'm sure.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 22, 2019, 12:30:52 PM
Well, there is the hominy step of course, but I fergit hominy steps there are now.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on June 22, 2019, 12:44:35 PM
What'd I miss?What ever went right the hell over my head but you foodies get it
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MichiFan87 on June 22, 2019, 01:06:48 PM
Apparently Connecticut is moving to the Big East. I don't see how it makes sense for anyone, especially since they'll probably have to go independent in football.... Maybe this prompts Wichita State to seriously consider restarting their football program?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on June 22, 2019, 04:53:02 PM
Most southern food types reflect lack of refrigeration back in the day.  I just read a book called "Salt".  It goes on too long in parts, but it was interesting.



(https://i.imgur.com/MZrqz7U.png)
Similar to the reason most spicy foods originate in hot climates.  Not so much for preservation as for covering up the taste of meat going bad.
The Taste of Conquest by Michael Krondl is an interesting book
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 22, 2019, 05:04:52 PM
I had not realize how strategic a material salt was for warfare before reading that book.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on June 22, 2019, 06:53:33 PM
Ya we'd invite the Mexicans to Dinner,ring the rim of a Marqarita Pitcher with it,get them smashed and take their shit
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 22, 2019, 07:43:04 PM
Well, there you are.

I like a lot of southern food.  Fried chicken and beans w/ cornbread top the list.

But I draw the line at fried okra.  When I was growing up, everyone in my family liked 'em except for me.  Every family get-together, there they'd be, stinking up the kitchen and the dining room.

I don't like collared greens either.  Whatever you season 'em with, however much bacon you add, you still taste the bitterness.

Grits are actually OK, I suppose.  Inoffensive nothingness, however prepared.  They taste like whatever you put on 'em.  How they are still considered a regional delicacy is beyond me, though.

None of these foods got started because they were good.  They got started because better food either wasn't available or wasn't affordable.

The best type of cornbread is fried, of course.(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/k_NZlgdD6TokvycXvNXOYbOXdbXrZkvBtfZ-07QKMssk-ZjF3TwJmFpbMxp1dV50ZXbK_MVJVx02nI7wVMQugHBOxO5BK9pmhhtKeg=w600-l68) 
You take a dollop of batter and press it in just a tiny bit of oil.  Looking it up online, it's called "lattice"  or "hot water" cornbread, which I had never heard of.  If you do this in a big pot of oil, you've got yourself a hush puppy.
BUT.....even the internet gets this wrong, as all the images I could find look like mini-pancakes, which would just be bland as hell (see above).
What it SHOULD look like, how my granny made it, is it should be the size above, but the cornbready part should only be the size of a quarter or golf ball (flat), with the rest being ulta-thin, lattice-like wiry, crispy structure, a la a fried egg.  So the yolk would be the cornbready part, and the white would be the crispy surrounding part.  It's addictive!!!!
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 22, 2019, 07:46:09 PM
Here's how it should look on the edges, and 1-2 inches towards the center.
(https://food.fnr.sndimg.com/content/dam/images/food/fullset/2008/8/7/0/pa1a24_hoecake_cornbread.jpg.rend.hgtvcom.826.620.suffix/1383083381766.jpeg)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 22, 2019, 08:02:45 PM
Interesting, never seen that one before.

Frying is a good way to kill potential pathogens lurking in unrefrigerated food.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on June 23, 2019, 08:56:22 AM
Frying is also a good way to make food delicious.

I love southern food.  I like grits.  My mom makes a jalapeno sausage cheese grit casserole that's possibly the best side dish, ever.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 23, 2019, 10:11:52 AM
We once deep fried a pork roast, it was delicious.  Kept meaning to do it again but never did.

THe rub stayed on it.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on June 23, 2019, 05:28:16 PM
I've deep fried BBQ beef rib, and I've also chicken-fried BBQ beef rib.  Both were delicious.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on June 23, 2019, 06:18:01 PM
Beef Rib is one of the most delicious sources of protein on the planet

just don't ruin it  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on June 23, 2019, 11:12:59 PM
I've deep fried BBQ beef rib, and I've also chicken-fried BBQ beef rib.  Both were delicious.
How about smoking beef rib?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 24, 2019, 01:06:25 AM
 My mom makes a jalapeno sausage cheese grit casserole that's possibly the best side dish, ever. 
oh my :bravo_2:
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 24, 2019, 12:03:03 PM
How about smoking beef rib?
Has @utee94 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=15) smoked a beef rib?!?!

Does the Pope sh!t in the woods?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on June 24, 2019, 10:14:43 PM
How about smoking beef rib?
Well, yeah!  Of course.  The two above dishes were first smoked, and then deep fried or chicken-fried.  But my normal version is just smoked without any extra steps.  And it's fabulous.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on June 24, 2019, 11:40:45 PM
Got it.  Sounded like you meant that there were better things to do with beef rib than smoking it.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 25, 2019, 12:04:09 AM
Making my annual trip back to GA/FL on Thursday.  Can't wait for BBQ and seafood.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 25, 2019, 07:52:51 AM
I still am having a hard time finding really good Q in the ATL.  There was the guy at the local market who sold it, but he told me last year he was close to hanging it up, and he has not been there this year.  It really diminishes the appeal of the market.  The other food vendors have millennial kinds of offerings.  Trip Advisor is useless for this sort of quest (if not in general).  I have founds really good Indian, tappas, Italian, Vietnamese, Chinese, you name it, but no Q that are really really good.

The "Famous" place was Harold's down by the Federal pen, but he's gone now too.  The places I see out in the 'burbs if we're out there look too clean and chainish.

I am disappoint.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on June 25, 2019, 11:15:03 AM
Thrillist says you should check out Community Q BBQ, B's Cracklin' BBQ, or King BBQ.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 25, 2019, 02:56:37 PM
Will do, there are so many places near us (not Q) we have a hard time deciding.  There is a highly regarded place called Gunshow of all things, and another called Bacchanalia, which is tres cher.

https://gunshowatl.com/ (https://gunshowatl.com/)

https://www.atlantamagazine.com/50-best-restaurants/bacchanalia/ (https://www.atlantamagazine.com/50-best-restaurants/bacchanalia/)

A friend told us a place called Eight Sushi is the best he's ever had anywhere, and he is very well traveled. 

https://www.atlantamagazine.com/50bestrestaurants/ (https://www.atlantamagazine.com/50bestrestaurants/)

Bs' Cracklin makes it high on this list, which is a sign perhaps, it burned in March apparently.

We had lunch once at The Optimist and really liked it, have not been back.




Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on June 25, 2019, 03:01:14 PM
Hey ya got the Varsity how high fallutin' can you get?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 25, 2019, 03:13:53 PM
The Varsity pretty much is over priced junk food.  I once liked it back in the day, I guess it's the tradition or something.  I do like their frosted orange.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 25, 2019, 04:21:13 PM
Was in Vegas over the weekend (saw O at the Bellagio on Thurs and Seinfeld at Caesar's on Saturday). 

The shows were great. The food was disappointing. 

Now, there were a few good things. We had dinner at a tapas place (Lago) within the Bellagio on Thursday. It was miniscule portions for hefty money, but at least 4 out of the 5 dishes we had were actually delicious. And we had dinner at Gordon Ramsay's pub in Caesar's--we were hoping for something less "fancy"--on Saturday before the Seinfeld show. Most of the dishes were delicious, but again highly overpriced. But the stuff we had at both joints was food that I could have prepared just as well at home, in reasonable portion sizes, for far less money. So overall it was a disappointment.

Then there was the bad. We went to Bobby's Burger Palace for lunch on Friday. It's a fast-casual burger joint, but I was at least expecting it to be among the better burgers I've had in a fast-casual environment. Nope. The burger was average. Their cheese fries--one of the things that attracted us to the place because we'd heard the cheese sauce was good--were greasy, flaccid, and the sauce was average. I'd take Portillo's cheese fries every day and twice on Sunday. There were some good onion rings, but not good enough to redeem Bobby. (Note: I'm not hating on Bobby--we've been to Mesa Grill and found it delicious--but this was just mediocre). 

Friday night we went to a place in the Venetian's shops called Sushi Samba. It's apparently a sushi, Peruvian, Brazilian fusion restaurant. If that sounds a bit odd, well, it's because it was. The wife and I ended up sharing some mediocre sushi rolls, a yakitori-style grilled steak dish that was overly-chewy and otherwise unremarkable, and a mixed vegetable plate that might have been the highlight because they merely didn't screw it up.  

I hate Vegas. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 25, 2019, 04:27:35 PM
Mrs. 847 always goes to Rao's when she's in Vegas on business. That one meal takes up her per diem (she eats bars and shakes all day to make up) but she says it's completely worth it. Vegas is the only way to get Rao's. Getting a table in the NYC location is impossible, unless you know somebody who owns a reservation (which are standing and permanent).
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on June 25, 2019, 05:08:50 PM
I hate Vegas.
Don't know that I would go quite that far, but I definitely don't like Vegas. Nearly everything there is fake in one way or another. That's not to say there aren't plenty of perfectly good ways to have fun--even ones that aren't bad for you--but there's something about the place that gives me the willies.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on June 25, 2019, 05:30:29 PM
I'm not attracted to Vegas.  Need the right reason and combination of people for a quick visit.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on June 25, 2019, 05:40:02 PM
Was in Vegas over the weekend (saw O at the Bellagio on Thurs and Seinfeld at Caesar's on Saturday).

The shows were great. The food was disappointing.

Now, there were a few good things. We had dinner at a tapas place (Lago) within the Bellagio on Thursday. It was miniscule portions for hefty money, but at least 4 out of the 5 dishes we had were actually delicious. And we had dinner at Gordon Ramsay's pub in Caesar's--we were hoping for something less "fancy"--on Saturday before the Seinfeld show. Most of the dishes were delicious, but again highly overpriced. But the stuff we had at both joints was food that I could have prepared just as well at home, in reasonable portion sizes, for far less money. So overall it was a disappointment.

Then there was the bad. We went to Bobby's Burger Palace for lunch on Friday. It's a fast-casual burger joint, but I was at least expecting it to be among the better burgers I've had in a fast-casual environment. Nope. The burger was average. Their cheese fries--one of the things that attracted us to the place because we'd heard the cheese sauce was good--were greasy, flaccid, and the sauce was average. I'd take Portillo's cheese fries every day and twice on Sunday. There were some good onion rings, but not good enough to redeem Bobby. (Note: I'm not hating on Bobby--we've been to Mesa Grill and found it delicious--but this was just mediocre).

Friday night we went to a place in the Venetian's shops called Sushi Samba. It's apparently a sushi, Peruvian, Brazilian fusion restaurant. If that sounds a bit odd, well, it's because it was. The wife and I ended up sharing some mediocre sushi rolls, a yakitori-style grilled steak dish that was overly-chewy and otherwise unremarkable, and a mixed vegetable plate that might have been the highlight because they merely didn't screw it up. 

I hate Vegas.
Strongly dislike Vegas. Most happy that I aged out of having bachelor parties their having only had to go to one.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on June 25, 2019, 06:03:07 PM
I'm not a fan of Las Vegas, either.  I'm not much of a gambler. I like some of the shows.  In general the value just isn't there, it's expensive for what you get, whether it's dining, accommodations, entertainment, etc.  There's like this thin veneer of reality, but scratch the surface and everything underneath is fake, inauthentic. 

A group of guy friends goes every year and they always try to convince me to go.  No, thanks.  Every year I tell them I'd be there in heartbeat if they were doing New Orleans instead of Las Vegas.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 25, 2019, 06:04:20 PM
Bachelor parties suck.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on June 25, 2019, 06:17:14 PM
The best bachelor parties I've been to are the ones where we just hang out together for a guys' weekend at a lake house.  That's what we did for mine, and a couple of my best friends'.

I've been to Vegas 3x for bachelor parties and those were a beating.

I've been to New Orleans twice for bachelor parties and those were a lot of fun.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on June 25, 2019, 08:36:29 PM
The Varsity pretty much is over priced junk food.  I once liked it back in the day, I guess it's the tradition or something.  I do like their frosted orange.


I'm aware your dining acumen's prolly a notch above a gussied up hotdog joint.But like Bogart said ""A hot dog at the ballpark is better than steak at the Ritz"
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on June 25, 2019, 08:39:04 PM
Never been to Vegas - better off I haven't cause I dropped enough coin to the local book.I'd like to stop at a sports books ther though
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on June 25, 2019, 08:41:12 PM
 Getting a table in the NYC location is impossible, unless you know somebody who owns a reservation (which are standing and permanent).
Well if they're that snobby/stuffy I'd dine & dash,even though i've lost a step believe it or not
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Mdot21 on June 25, 2019, 09:43:26 PM
Well if they're that snobby/stuffy I'd dine & dash,even though i've lost a step believe it or not
It’s not that they are snobby, it’s a just a very historic, popular Italian restaurant in NYC that is incredibly small. The restaurant has been there since the 1890s and they might have 10 tables.

It became famous or infamous I should say because of the mob. It was a favorite restaurant of mob bosses from the Genovese, Gambino, and Luchesse mob families like John Gotti in particular. Those guys made it well known and the actors and celebs like Frank Sinatra and Robert De Niro became regulars and made it even more popular and popular and in demand. 

The tables to the NYC restaurant are purchased for yearly rights. Almost like season tickets. That’s why it’s so hard to get a seat in there.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on June 25, 2019, 10:11:42 PM
The Frosted Orange is worth getting, especially with kids in tow.  It's a tasty sugar high.  I wouldn't eat the food either, and I love street/junk food as much as the next guy.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: GopherRock on June 25, 2019, 10:50:25 PM
I'm not attracted to Vegas.  Need the right reason and combination of people for a quick visit. 
Ditto. I don't hate Vegas, but I've never been enamored with the place. You can only ask "Who thinks of this stuff?" so many times. Plus it's not cheap anymore, not with $25/day parking and another $30-50/day in resort fees for stuff you don't use.

Once you cut through the eminence front, it's a really grimy city. 

I've been to Vegas during the National Finals Rodeo, and with friends from the horse business there it's not too bad. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on June 25, 2019, 11:12:10 PM
Bellagio 

Caesar's

Venetian


I hate those places and the entire strip

Vegas isn't bad if you stay away from the strip, and much cheaper
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 26, 2019, 07:01:01 AM
It’s not that they are snobby, it’s a just a very historic, popular Italian restaurant in NYC that is incredibly small. The restaurant has been there since the 1890s and they might have 10 tables.

It became famous or infamous I should say because of the mob. It was a favorite restaurant of mob bosses from the Genovese, Gambino, and Luchesse mob families like John Gotti in particular. Those guys made it well known and the actors and celebs like Frank Sinatra and Robert De Niro became regulars and made it even more popular and popular and in demand.

The tables to the NYC restaurant are purchased for yearly rights. Almost like season tickets. That’s why it’s so hard to get a seat in there.
Exactly.

Mrs. 847 correctly pointed out that I was incorrect about having to go to Vegas to get in though. They recently opened in Hollywood too. I'll check it out when we go out there for Christmas this year.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: NorthernOhioBuckeye on June 26, 2019, 07:19:30 AM
Bellagio

Caesar's

Venetian


I hate those places and the entire strip

Vegas isn't bad if you stay away from the strip, and much cheaper

Exactly. The strip is just a place for people that want to be seen. I've found that downtown on and around Fremont St. to be more my style. However, I was just out there last month on business and even downtown has "jumped the shark" so to say. It used to be that you get eat and have a few drinks downtown without breaking the bank. But when I was there last month, I found that the prices are starting to go up there also. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 26, 2019, 07:40:56 AM
I'm aware your dining acumen's prolly a notch above a gussied up hotdog joint.But like Bogart said ""A hot dog at the ballpark is better than steak at the Ritz"
I like hot dogs.  And burgers.  A place near us is called "Killer Burgers" and it's our kind of place except it's packed all the time.  I often get a dog at Costco, which the wife does not like.  She's more picky than I for some reason.  The dogs at MB Stadium are $2, which is amazing to me still, but that's really indoors.  I don't think they open the roof once in a blue moon. 

The wife likes Hattie B's, which is a small chain chicken place out of Nashville.  It is quite good, but always crowded.  She also like ChickFilA a lot, and a new one opened just up the street complete with a minipark.  At lunch it is so packed nobody goes there any more.

Filled up at Costco yesterday for $2.60/gal for premium.  The wife wanted 4 items inside, so we went, came out with a cart full and a $423 bill.  That place is lethal.  I do own stock in it though, should have bought more.

https://www.atlantamagazine.com/50bestrestaurants/ (https://www.atlantamagazine.com/50bestrestaurants/)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 26, 2019, 07:42:26 AM
Vegas has cheap rental cars and cheap flights, so it's a nice place to go to for touring Utah, which is quite beautiful.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 26, 2019, 08:06:38 AM
I thought I'd hate Vegas - I'm not much for opulence.  But I actually enjoy it.  Of course, I'm not ordering $50 meals or anything.  The strip is fine if you're just going for a walk and not trying to be impressed by everything.


It's funny Vegas came up here, as yesterday I happened to tell a friend of mine in an odd conversation - the only place with quality toilet paper in public restrooms that I've ever experienced was in the Venetian.  That fact is truly remarkable.  They actually spend money on the public restroom toilet paper.



The rest of the Vegas area is just like every other big, western city.  A neighbor hood with chains, drive 5 miles, another neighborhood with the same chains, etc.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 26, 2019, 08:27:56 AM
The wife and I mused about moving to LV for retirement a few years back.  We had a car so we drove around in the 'burbs and I checked out some houses on line.  We could get a pretty nice house with a large pool - important for her - and income taxes are zero of course.  But, the more we drove the more sameness we found, as OAM notes.  It was boring, it was not walkable, it was same same everywhere, with traffic and no real options for getting around.

It's more expensive to live here obviously, but we can walk nearly anywhere we'd want to go, or take the train.  It's a big plus for us.  And we do have a pool, and oddly enough few people use it during the week.  We often are the only people down there.  And I don't have to clean it. 

This place works for us.  It's not for everyone.

https://atlanta.curbed.com/2019/6/25/18744428/report-midtown-construction-zone-office-development (https://atlanta.curbed.com/2019/6/25/18744428/report-midtown-construction-zone-office-development)

This is true, it's a bit concerning, almost as if we're at an economic top, and the traffic may get "bad".
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on June 26, 2019, 08:49:54 AM
Bachelor parties suck.
I’ve always kind of enjoyed them because I live far from home and they often mean an excuse to see old friends. Granted, I don’t go to a whole ton of them.

After the Vegas one, there was a large gap, then a cosmopolitan coastal city, which was super cool beyond the two stripper related events, then a southern semi-college town with an NHL game (would’ve been a bigger town but for an Air BnB mishap) and BBQ. Coming soon is an more outdoorsy one with hikes instead of strip clubs, and a weekend in Madison.

So those are mostly pretty OK.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 26, 2019, 08:52:46 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/RVWZR64.jpg)

My fav photo of the 'hood.  I guess someone took this with a drone.  That is Kennesaw Mountain upper left, the park is foreground.  More trees than in Vegas.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on June 26, 2019, 08:54:57 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/RVWZR64.jpg)

My fav photo of the 'hood.  I guess someone took this with a drone.  That is Kennesaw Mountain upper left, the park is foreground.  More trees than in Vegas.

Heh, yeah, maybe a couple. I like Atlanta, haven't been in years though so I'm sure it's changed a great deal.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Mdot21 on June 26, 2019, 10:47:42 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/RVWZR64.jpg)

My fav photo of the 'hood.  I guess someone took this with a drone.  That is Kennesaw Mountain upper left, the park is foreground.  More trees than in Vegas.
Absolutely love Atlanta. Last time I was there was for 3 days a couple years ago. Went to the Porsche center and the Aquarium and ate at a fantastic pizza place called Antico. 

My brother just moved there for his work. He’s been there 2 weeks and he absolutely loves it. I’m going to visit soon when I get the time.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Mdot21 on June 26, 2019, 10:55:45 AM
As for Vegas, don’t love it. Don’t hate it. Just kinda meh. Definitely something everyone should experience once. But it’s really not my cup of tea. Not constantly dying to go back, like I am too Italy or France or Spain. I’ve been to LV 4 times but the last time I went was maybe 6 years ago. Seems like they’ve just built more crazy humongous shit on the strip since then. My buddy was in a poker tournament at The Venetian and he had an amazing suite at the hotel so I said f it and went with. Free giant suite. Why not. Wound up staying there for 6 nights. I think I was turned off because of the stay. Staying in Vegas on the strip is not a week long trip. It’ll fry you out. That city was meant for weekend bachelor parties or 2-3 night weekend drug/sex/gambling binges.

Don’t get me wrong, cool to experience,  but honestly wouldn’t care if I never went back again. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Mdot21 on June 26, 2019, 11:00:00 AM
A group of guy friends goes every year and they always try to convince me to go.  No, thanks.  Every year I tell them I'd be there in heartbeat if they were doing New Orleans instead of Las Vegas.
This all god damn day! I fricken love Nawlins. Easily one of my favorite cities in the US. I’d kill for some beignets from Cafe Du Monde or a bbq pork slider from Cochon Butcher right about now.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 26, 2019, 11:16:02 AM
Funny how we each have different POVs, which really is a good thing.  The wife and I went to New Orleans a couple years back with an artist friend.  The wife had been before and recalled that she liked it, I had never been, and hopefully will never return, ever.  The wife was also disappointed.

For me, it was awful.  The ladies wanted to go to some jazz bar one night and I just stayed in the hotel.  I was happy to be gone, realizing that had I gone to a different spot with different folks it could well have been nice.  We went to Mobile, AL from there for two nights and I liked it better.

The artist was there to check on a gallery featuring her paintings and wanted to take us to "her places", which the wife and I found to be touristy and mediocre.  The artist friend is French and speaks little English, so we went in part to help her understand what the gallery owner was telling her.

We're headed to SF in August to see my step son, who is a very very nice guy.  We both miss him.  Maybe I'll look up sfbadger.

I tell folks my least favorite city in France is Paris, which is the truth, and you'd laugh to see what a Phillistine folks think that makes me.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on June 26, 2019, 11:22:41 AM
Funny how we each have different POVs, which really is a good thing.  The wife and I went to New Orleans a couple years back with an artist friend.  The wife had been before and recalled that she liked it, I had never been, and hopefully will never return, ever.  The wife was also disappointed.

For me, it was awful.  The ladies wanted to go to some jazz bar one night and I just stayed in the hotel.  I was happy to be gone, realizing that had I gone to a different spot with different folks it could well have been nice.  We went to Mobile, AL from there for two nights and I liked it better.

The artist was there to check on a gallery featuring her paintings and wanted to take us to "her places", which the wife and I found to be touristy and mediocre.  The artist friend is French and speaks little English, so we went in part to help her understand what the gallery owner was telling her.

We're headed to SF in August to see my step son, who is a very very nice guy.  We both miss him.  Maybe I'll look up sfbadger.

I tell folks my least favorite city in France is Paris, which is the truth, and you'd laugh to see what a Phillistine folks think that makes me.

I share this opinion whole-heartedly.  I think Paris is something you should experience once, but beyond that there are so many lovely places in France with much nicer people and honestly, better food for a lot less money. 
I've also found that aside from actual Parisians, everyone else in France has this exact same view. :)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 26, 2019, 11:25:24 AM
The funny thing is how folks think it means I hate Paris (which I don't, though I don't especially like it either).

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Mdot21 on June 26, 2019, 11:28:48 AM
I tell folks my least favorite city in France is Paris, which is the truth, and you'd laugh to see what a Phillistine folks think that makes me.
I’ve only been to 3 cities in France. Paris is my favorite. I can see why some might not like it. Parisians can be major league assholes. They have a rep for being dicks, but honestly that’s not any different than any major gigantic city with 10+ million people. There’s gonna be a lot of a holes. New York City has Paris beat there imo.

I love Paris. I hate London. They drive on the wrong side of the road, the cabs are a rip off, the weather sucks and so does the food. To get a good meal in London you’ve got to go to a fancy Michelin restaurant and spend a fortune to eat food that isn’t English bc English food sucks and the museums and sights are inferior to Italy, Spain, or France. Just my two cents.

Have you ever been to Annecy in France? Absolutely stunningly beautiful.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 26, 2019, 11:36:29 AM
I have not been to Annecy.  The best food in London is Indian food.  Real English food can be quite good, but you won't find it in touristy spots.

My favorite larger city in France would be Lyon, the wife agrees.  Strasbourg has some appeal also.  Bordeaux has those fermented grape things.  Avignon is nice, touristy, but nice, as is Nice.  Duh.  We stayed three nights in Evian which is not far from Annecy.  Chamonix was pretty neat.

I liked Luxembourg City, but the wife was lukewarm on it.  

My Parisian cousins agree that Lyon has the best food.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on June 26, 2019, 11:36:49 AM
The funny thing is how folks think it means I hate Paris (which I don't, though I don't especially like it either).


Folks tend to not understand relativity, or nuance.  I'd say "these days" but I'm pretty sure that's always been the case.

I actually like Paris. But after going there a couple of times (in my 20s and on the corporate dollar no less, which was a great way to go), it's not that I have no desire to go back, it's just that there are so many other places in France (and Italy, and Spain) where I'd prefer to spend my time and hard-earned dollar.

It's similar to Hawaii, for me.  The inland island topography of Hawaii is beautiful, but honestly I go on beach vacations for the beauty of the beach and water itself, and for the diving.  And the beach/water/diving in Cozumel/Playa del Carmen is way better than Hawaii.  Add to that that it's FAR less expensive and much quicker to get to, and I'll go to the Mayan Riviera over Hawaii or pretty much any other beach destination every single time.  My i s c & a aggie wife has never been to Hawaii, so this annoys her to no end, I can assure you.  But she loves the same things about going on beach/ocean vacations, even moreso than I do, and I am fairly certain she'd be disappointed in a trip to Hawaii compared to all of the places we've been in the Caribbean.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 26, 2019, 11:54:08 AM
The wife LOVES the Big Island, which is a bit of a puzzle to me (I like it fine also, but she's crazy about it).

We've seen about everything there is to see, pretty much, often 2-3x.  She still wants to go back.  

We spent two weeks in Bonaire which has the snorkling thing, no beaches, and it was a week too long.

I'm a kind of "influencer" on beaches and get the wife to Hilton Head in winter fairly often.  We just meander around.  She likes the beach and I prefer the mountains.

From HH it's easy to get to Savannah and Charleston and have some good food.

The one country she DISLIKES is Germany. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on June 26, 2019, 11:57:33 AM
...it's just that there are so many other places [...] where I'd prefer to spend my time and hard-earned dollar.
This is the vacation dilemma in our house. There are so many places worth seeing in California -- there are so many places worth seeing all around the world. Particularly as our kids steadily get older (funny how that happens), we're looking at the limited time we have to travel with them. On the other hand, once we're empty-nesters, we won't be limited to travel during the peak times, which will be nice. I have this fantasy that when we retire we travel all over, but paying for that will be a neat trick.

We love Maui, and return there relatively often. It's not a tough trip from San Francisco, and there are ways to reduce the cost (though not to make it inexpensive). But we also love seeing other things. We tend to bounce back and forth between more adventurous vacations and more relaxed ones (which mostly returns us to Maui). This year is Maui, and we're very much looking forward to getting away and putting our feet up. 

CD, I'll likely be here. I'm actually headed through Atlanta towards the end of July (I think), on my way to Murphy, North Carolina, for work.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on June 26, 2019, 12:02:28 PM
My kids and SFIrish had a grand vacation in the Mediterranean last summer, and I joined them for the last 11 days in Austria and Italy. They loved Spain, where they started (and SFIrish studied in college), had a terrible time--mostly weather related--in Nice, loved Austria (my brother's cute cats were probably the main attraction), and were impressed with the sights in Italy, but not the culture/feel of the place. And, being in close quarters with the family for as long as they were (with my daughter squarely experiencing life as a teen), they were all ready to come home.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 26, 2019, 12:07:26 PM
Bellagio

Caesar's

Venetian


I hate those places and the entire strip

Vegas isn't bad if you stay away from the strip, and much cheaper

Yeah, but off-strip Vegas isn't necessarily "good" either, unless you're trying to find cheap gambling off-strip, or you're in town to play golf or do other things. I can drink at home. I can eat at home. Nothing about Vegas is truly a "draw" unless you're actually going there to do something that you can't get at home, which is mostly the shows on the strip. 

I don't really gamble (although I would enjoy sitting in a sportsbook drinking/gambling on either a college football or college basketball day). So going to Vegas, staying off-strip, just so I can get to do something I don't want to do but cheaper, isn't exactly my thing. 

I view the strip as kinda like Disneyland. If you have kids, you occasionally "have" to do something like Disneyland. It's expensive. It sucks. But it's almost like you sorta just have to bite the bullet. Vegas is one of those things that as an adult, occasionally it will come up that something that you [or close friends / family] want to do just happens to be in Vegas, so you have to bite the bullet and go. It's expensive. It sucks. But you're an arsehole if you don't join the rest of the group, so you have to do. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on June 26, 2019, 12:08:05 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/RVWZR64.jpg)

My fav photo of the 'hood.
They've done a lot with the place since Uncle Billy last came thru
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Mdot21 on June 26, 2019, 12:08:44 PM
I have not been to Annecy.  The best food in London is Indian food.  Real English food can be quite good, but you won't find it in touristy spots.

My favorite larger city in France would be Lyon, the wife agrees.  Strasbourg has some appeal also.  Bordeaux has those fermented grape things.  Avignon is nice, touristy, but nice, as is Nice.  Duh.  We stayed three nights in Evian which is not far from Annecy.  Chamonix was pretty neat.

I liked Luxembourg City, but the wife was lukewarm on it. 

My Parisian cousins agree that Lyon has the best food. 
Idk I just was not a big fan of London. I see no reason to go back any time soon. I didn’t hate it. That’s just me being hyperbolic and exaggerating. I don’t love it and I don’t hate it. Compared to other cities in Europe that I’ve been too and want to go too, London way down my list. I really see no reason to go back there any time soon to be honest. It’s just ok. Speaking of Indian food, I had some amazing Indian food in Paris one night actually. Probably the best Indian food I’ve ever had.

As for France, I’ve been to Paris, Annecy, and Bordeaux. I have so many places left in France I desperately want to see. Especially the French Mediterranean. As for Paris, I just love it. There’s something about that city man. The history and the beauty. The food. The sights. I love it.

You have got to go to Annecy the next time that you are in France. It’s just so unbelievably beautiful. You have to try to go in the late spring or summer and rent a boat and spend a day on the lake. Amazing place to spend a weekend and relax.

We took the train from Paris to Annecy, might’ve been 40 euros and took 3-4 hrs. Flew out from the Geneva Switzerland airport, which is just 20-25 miles away. Car service from the condo to the airport might’ve been 60-80 euro and took 40 mins maybe. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 26, 2019, 12:09:55 PM
The wife likes Hattie B's, which is a small chain chicken place out of Nashville.  It is quite good, but always crowded.  She also like ChickFilA a lot, and a new one opened just up the street complete with a minipark.  At lunch it is so packed nobody goes there any more.
LOL... 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on June 26, 2019, 12:11:06 PM
We're planning a couple of weeks in Europe next summer, but not with the kids.  They'd be 10 and 12, which would be decent ages, but it's also for our 20th wedding anniversary and a couple weeks without the kids would be a nice way to celebrate.  I survived just fine having never been to Europe until I did it on my own in my 20s, and I suppose they will, too. :)

The trip is loosely centered on the EuroCup 2020 and we're going to start out in Budapest, then travel to Croatia, and after that probably a couple places in Italy.  Just have to nail down exactly which ones we want.  I doubt we're going to make it to France or Spain this go-round, I guess that'll have to wait.  Again. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on June 26, 2019, 12:11:48 PM
The one country she DISLIKES is Germany.
Gosh i wonder why,Einszweidreivier to the pub and drink some Bier
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 26, 2019, 12:13:54 PM
I'm surprised the wife didn't get us to Annecy.  We spent three days in Evian (naively perhaps).  I drove all over including to Chamonix and back into Switzerland on a big loop, so we were close.  We just spent three weeks mostly in Btrittany because the wife insisted I see it.  Meh, sort of, overall.

And we got sick to boot.

Our neighbor is from Turkey so we're planning a trip with him to Istanbul next year, and then Athens (the other one), Tuscany, and maybe Marseilles.

We liked Barcelona quite a bit, I'd like to see more of Spain and Portugal.  Austria is on my list, as is St. Petersburg.  And Japan.  We're doing an Alaskan cruise in September out of Seattle.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 26, 2019, 12:16:08 PM
Gosh i wonder why,Eins, zwei, drei, vier to the pub and drink some Bier
Her father spent some years with the Germans and almost didn't make it back.  Their "chateau" was confiscated by some German colonel back in the day (before she was born) and apparently really did a lot of damage to it.

I wish I could have met her parents, they sound like really interesting people.  The wife moved in different circles than I have.  She's slumming with me, eating fried chicken and okra and BBQ and grits.  The one thing she objects to is fresh fried oysters.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Mdot21 on June 26, 2019, 12:18:11 PM
We're planning a couple of weeks in Europe next summer, but not with the kids.  They'd be 10 and 12, which would be decent ages, but it's also for our 20th wedding anniversary and a couple weeks without the kids would be a nice way to celebrate.  I survived just fine having never been to Europe until I did it on my own in my 20s, and I suppose they will, too. :)

The trip is loosely centered on the EuroCup 2020 and we're going to start out in Budapest, then travel to Croatia, and after that probably a couple places in Italy.  Just have to nail down exactly which ones we want.  I doubt we're going to make it to France or Spain this go-round, I guess that'll have to wait.  Again.
Italy is awesome. Sicily is better. You should check it out. You can find reasonable flights to Catania or Palermo all day long from major cities in Europe.

Best food I ever had was in Sicily. The food there is no joke.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on June 26, 2019, 12:19:47 PM
I can definitely understand why Europeans from countries that were occupied by Germany, wouldn't have much love for Germany.  

Personally I love Bavaria, but that's about it.  Berlin is just too modern and rebuilt, which is true of many cities that were bombed to hell in WW2, like Milan.  Personally I go to Europe to see the history, not the modern versions of cities. I get plenty of those right here in the USA.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on June 26, 2019, 12:22:09 PM
Italy is awesome. Sicily is better. You should check it out. You can find reasonable flights to Catania or Palermo all day long from major cities in Europe.

Best food I ever had was in Sicily. The food there is no joke.
I've been to Sicily, I really enjoyed it.  But to get there, you're pretty much not going anywhere else.  And honestly I prefer the Cinque Terre to Sicily, if I were going to hit a place I've already been, that's where I'd go.  Or Firenze, again, which is probably my second favorite city in all of Europe, behind Prague.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Mdot21 on June 26, 2019, 12:22:37 PM
I'm surprised the wife didn't get us to Annecy.  We spent three days in Evian (naively perhaps).  I drove all over including to Chamonix and back into Switzerland on a big loop, so we were close.  We just spent three weeks mostly in Btrittany because the wife insisted I see it.  Meh, sort of, overall.

And we got sick to boot.

Our neighbor is from Turkey so we're planning a trip with him to Istanbul next year, and then Athens (the other one), Tuscany, and maybe Marseilles.

We liked Barcelona quite a bit, I'd like to see more of Spain and Portugal.  Austria is on my list, as is St. Petersburg.  And Japan.  We're doing an Alaskan cruise in September out of Seattle.
I’d be afraid to go to Turkey. Ditto Russia. Not a big fan of crazy dictators.

I’ve yet to go to Greece. That’s #1 on my to do list. Mediterranean France #2.

Barcelona is amazing. Probably my favorite place I’ve ever been too. Love it. I’ve been to Spain 5 times and I’ve only went to Barcelona. That’s how much I love it. I love Lisbon, Portugal too. Not as much as Barcelona though. I could see myself living Barcelona one day. It’s really is just my absolute favorite place. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on June 26, 2019, 12:29:05 PM
Barcelona has such a fantastic combination of bustling big European city center of commerce, and laid back Mediterranean lifestyle.  It's pretty awesome and I'd love to put it on our itinerary for this go-round, but I'm trying to get my i s c & a aggie wife to places she's never been, so it's probably not on our list this time. 

Greece is also a contender, we might head there after Croatia, instead of Italy.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 26, 2019, 12:35:34 PM
I would not go to Turkey on my own.  The chance to go "with a local" is an incentive.  He's a US citizen and been here for decades, he's the retired Tech physics professor.

Istanbul is of interest for me.  The manager of one of our favorite restaurants is Turkish and we chatted with him about it also.  He said we'd love it, but of course he lives here.  Hmmmm.

The wife tells me Egypt is amazing and wants to go back.  Nyet.

Barcelona might be my favorite city in Europe.  Lyon would be in the running.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on June 26, 2019, 12:59:27 PM
I really have no desire to go to Turkey.  A friend of mine is married to a native Turk, who tells me all the time I should go and I'd love it.  But you know, he lives here, too.  So...

OK, I'm really starting to think more about Greece, we've never been there-- any of you have recs for the best places to go?  History, food, and beautiful island scenery would be the priorities.  I'd say, also, "less crowded places" but since the trip is in June, that's probably impossible.


Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 26, 2019, 01:16:38 PM
I've been to Sicily, I really enjoyed it.  But to get there, you're pretty much not going anywhere else.  And honestly I prefer the Cinque Terre to Sicily, if I were going to hit a place I've already been, that's where I'd go.  Or Firenze, again, which is probably my second favorite city in all of Europe, behind Prague.
I loved the Cinque Terre. Didn't get enough time there (basically about 2.5 days, just barely enough to scratch the surface). I definitely want to go back for a week, do some hiking, visit the wineries, etc. Oddly, there was almost a familiar feeling to some of the California coastal beach towns, which was weird and comforting and yet different...

Same with Firenze as well. Again, we didn't get enough time there (about 2.5 days, including getting married). I'd like to spend two days in the city, and then go farther out to the Tuscan countryside for another 4-5 days. 

Our trip last year was a whirlwind. Rome, Cinque Terre, Firenze, Paris, all in about 11 days on the ground. I feel like I don't need to go back to Rome or Paris at all. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 26, 2019, 01:19:56 PM
I'm interested in Istanbul and the Bosperous and Gallipoli.  I expect there isn't much to see about the latter relating to WW I, but I'd like to check it out.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 26, 2019, 01:20:29 PM
When I posed a what if Germany had won WW One, I didn't think about Turkey (the Ottomans) at that time.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 26, 2019, 01:58:47 PM
I'm done with Rome. No mas.


Sicily, hell yes. I could spend a month there. Montenegro is very nice - Kotor is really cool.


Going on the Germany trip next Fall. Doing a cruise from Lima to Miami (Panama Canal - I'm taking it back for us) next Spring.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Riffraft on June 26, 2019, 02:30:28 PM
This all god damn day! I fricken love Nawlins. Easily one of my favorite cities in the US. I’d kill for some beignets from Cafe Du Monde or a bbq pork slider from Cochon Butcher right about now.
Went to New Orleans a few months back for the very first time. The wife and I hated it and swore we would never go back.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Riffraft on June 26, 2019, 02:33:34 PM
Went to Italy a couple of years ago (Rome, Florence, Amafi Coast, Pompeii)  Enjoyed it. 

The wife and I are planning on a European trip next year. Haven't decided how we are going to do it or where as of yet. I have been to Paris, but the wife hasn't so Paris will be on the itinerary. Thinking about doing a Northern European Cruise that hits a number of the major places. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 26, 2019, 02:35:40 PM
Women seem to LOVE Paris (except my wife).  I like the parts of France that are small towns and countryside in general.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 26, 2019, 03:44:03 PM
This all god damn day! I fricken love Nawlins. Easily one of my favorite cities in the US. I’d kill for some beignets from Cafe Du Monde or a bbq pork slider from Cochon Butcher right about now.
Speaking of which, this arrived yesterday from Amazon... When I make some beignets, I'll be sure to post ;-) 


https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01A9GN010/ (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01A9GN010/)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on June 26, 2019, 03:57:22 PM
Women seem to LOVE Paris (except my wife).  I like the parts of France that are small towns and countryside in general.
Yup
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Mdot21 on June 26, 2019, 04:26:28 PM
I would not go to Turkey on my own.  The chance to go "with a local" is an incentive.  He's a US citizen and been here for decades, he's the retired Tech physics professor.

Istanbul is of interest for me.  The manager of one of our favorite restaurants is Turkish and we chatted with him about it also.  He said we'd love it, but of course he lives here.  Hmmmm.

The wife tells me Egypt is amazing and wants to go back.  Nyet.

Barcelona might be my favorite city in Europe.  Lyon would be in the running.
It’s still Constantinople to me. Screw the Turks. Long live the Byzantine Empire!

I’d love to visit Constantinople or Egypt if the political and religious climates in those countries were different. As it stands now, you couldn’t pay me to go to a predominately Muslim country. Even ones ruled by corrupt dictators. Ugh, no thanks.

Barcelona really is just the best. It just has a little bit of everything. And the weather and beaches are great in the summer.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Mdot21 on June 26, 2019, 04:32:43 PM
I'm done with Rome. No mas.


Sicily, hell yes. I could spend a month there. Montenegro is very nice - Kotor is really cool.


Going on the Germany trip next Fall. Doing a cruise from Lima to Miami (Panama Canal - I'm taking it back for us) next Spring.
I happen to love Rome. I happen to love Sicily more though. If I spoke Sicilian I wouldn’t mind living there part time. Of all the places in Europe I’ve been, only Barcelona and Sicily made me feel that way- like damn- I’d love to live here.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on June 26, 2019, 04:33:13 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo0X77OBJUg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo0X77OBJUg)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Mdot21 on June 26, 2019, 04:34:51 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo0X77OBJUg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo0X77OBJUg)
:) 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: GopherRock on June 26, 2019, 04:47:44 PM
(Sigh)

It's nobody's business but the Turks...

ISTANBUL!
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 26, 2019, 04:49:02 PM
Man, I'm getting really damn sick and tired of airlines.

Flying to Medford OR next week. Granted, that's a little podunk airport, and the flight is on Allegiant. So I expect to get nickle-and-dimed for every damn thing I want (including seat selection), because they're Allegiant. 

Looking at flights to Chicago around the weekend of the TCU@Purdue game, however, and since it's O'Hare, I'm looking at normal reputable airlines. Nope... If you want ANYTHING, including the opportunity to actually pick a seat, you pay out the nose. I've been a loyal American flyer for the last 12 years, most of those years keeping at least AAdvantage Gold status, and yet that doesn't mean anything. 

These damn airlines are pissing me off. Seat selection? Pay. Checked bag? Pay. Carry-on bag? Pay. I mean really, now we're getting charged for a carry-on? I've already gone to make sure that I don't have any liquid over 100 mL with me because I don't want to check bags anyway, but now I have to pay for a carry-on that's always in my possession and they don't even have to track/handle for me? And with how expensive some of these fees are, I might as well just buy clothes at my destination and throw them out at the end of the trip. 

It's almost to the point that if they want me to have the privilege to wear clothes on the airplane, and breathe their air, they're going to charge for that too.

I'm over this crap. It's Southwest from now on. They might not give me a seat selection, but I know how to handle that. At the very least they don't nickle and dime me for the things that SHOULD be taken for granted when flying. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 26, 2019, 04:50:34 PM
If you get a chance to visit a city with a local, it's usually a good opportunity.  I'd rather tour Tokyo with a local than meander about on my own, or take some tour.

Istanbul has enormous history and I'm a maven of history.

I need to bump Austria up on my list somehow.  Too many places.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 26, 2019, 04:54:31 PM
The wife made it up to Delta Diamond, or Platinum, or whatever it is, for a year.  That was really nice.  She is very committed to Delta for some significant reasons.

It's good that they have some flights out of ATL.  I usually get to Silver which gets me ... almost nothing.  We upped to the Amex Delta Reserve cards which get us into the lounge and one free companion ticket, which can be in First domestic.  I splurged on First to SF with that.  Of course, First is not really much of a deal on domestic flights IMHO.  I need Economy Comfort because of the leg room.

I think Boeing is suffering with the 737 Max grounding but their stock price has not collapsed.  The wife worked for the outfit that makes engines for that.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on June 26, 2019, 05:07:53 PM
I need to bump Austria up on my list somehow.  Too many places. 
I've been for a couple of short stays since my brother moved there. Although it shares the language with Germany, the culture is more laid back and (correspondingly?) less orderly. It helps that I've always had a "local" with me, but my visits there have been really easy. Vienna didn't knock my socks off (I liked it, but it wasn't AMAZING!!!), but the country is stunningly beautiful.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 26, 2019, 05:11:26 PM
I made it to Delta Silver both years I lived in ATL. Lots of trips back and forth to CA, and some regional stuff (plus my first business trip to France helped). 

Generally the "advantages" of the minimum status aren't that meaningful. Upgrades are nearly impossible with every flight being full. There is an advantage that you get to use the premium security line. The only real difference from the airline at that point is if you actually interact with the airline, they treat you like a human being instead of self-loading cargo. But that's worth something IMHO, in today's air travel world.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 26, 2019, 05:20:07 PM
We got TSA Precheck for $85 for 5 years, and supposedly Amex is to refund the charge.

The security lines in ATL at times are amazing.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on June 26, 2019, 05:21:09 PM
I used to be United Gold, which had some actual value. I find that my overall happiness is generally inversely proportionate to my airline status.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 26, 2019, 05:35:08 PM
We got TSA Precheck for $85 for 5 years, and supposedly Amex is to refund the charge.

The security lines in ATL at times are amazing.
I keep saying I'm going to get Global Entry (which includes Precheck and only costs $100 for the 5 years). I need to renew my driver's license next month to get a "Real ID" and then I think I'll do it. I only have 5 years left on my current passport anyway, so it's good timing.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 26, 2019, 06:02:03 PM
Man, I'm getting really damn sick and tired of airlines.

Flying to Medford OR next week. Granted, that's a little podunk airport, and the flight is on Allegiant. So I expect to get nickle-and-dimed for every damn thing I want (including seat selection), because they're Allegiant.

Looking at flights to Chicago around the weekend of the TCU@Purdue game, however, and since it's O'Hare, I'm looking at normal reputable airlines. Nope... If you want ANYTHING, including the opportunity to actually pick a seat, you pay out the nose. I've been a loyal American flyer for the last 12 years, most of those years keeping at least AAdvantage Gold status, and yet that doesn't mean anything.

These damn airlines are pissing me off. Seat selection? Pay. Checked bag? Pay. Carry-on bag? Pay. I mean really, now we're getting charged for a carry-on? I've already gone to make sure that I don't have any liquid over 100 mL with me because I don't want to check bags anyway, but now I have to pay for a carry-on that's always in my possession and they don't even have to track/handle for me? And with how expensive some of these fees are, I might as well just buy clothes at my destination and throw them out at the end of the trip.

It's almost to the point that if they want me to have the privilege to wear clothes on the airplane, and breathe their air, they're going to charge for that too.

I'm over this crap. It's Southwest from now on. They might not give me a seat selection, but I know how to handle that. At the very least they don't nickle and dime me for the things that SHOULD be taken for granted when flying.
Yeah, I just check in for my flight in the morning, and they're still doing the upgrade seat selection for my dinky little plane flying into Augusta, GA.  It has 2 rows on either side of the aisle.  Every seat is either window or aisle, and each is being offered for an upgraded price.  It's beyond greed - it's literally stupid and makes no sense...I'm getting one or the other already!
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 26, 2019, 06:05:39 PM
If you get a chance to visit a city with a local, it's usually a good opportunity.  I'd rather tour Tokyo with a local than meander about on my own, or take some tour.

Istanbul has enormous history and I'm a maven of history.

I need to bump Austria up on my list somehow.  Too many places. 
just make sure to wear socks with your sandals, and you'll be fine.
I've had 3 separate people I know visit Vienna in the past couple of months - its too coincidental for there not to be some deal or something going on.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 27, 2019, 08:38:33 AM
Global Entry is the way to go.

How does this "real ID" stuff work? I just renewed my DL in January. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 27, 2019, 09:08:37 AM
I don't know about "real ID".  I briefly looked into CLEAR.  TSA Precheck works for me.  Of course, when returning from over there it's squat.

A monkey could probably design a better system.

We used to get TSA Precheck on every flight, but I discovered it was because the wife had status with Delta.  She's down to Gold now.

Austria is now on my short list.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 27, 2019, 09:10:29 AM
Imagine each conference has 8 teams.  They play 7 conference games, and 3 solid OOC opponents.  That would be cool IMHO.  Of course, you'd have a zillion champs rattlings around.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on June 27, 2019, 09:23:31 AM
Imagine a couple conferences had 10 teams.  Maybe a few had 9.  They all play a full conference roundrobin schedule and then schedule 3-4 OOC games, usually with at least a couple good intersectional matchups.  Nobody felt the need to talk about conference revenue, television market footprints, or intellectual property rights.  Instead, people just watched football.

That was cool.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 27, 2019, 09:50:43 AM
Yeah, but what if they went to quasi-random regional bowl games that mostly were exhibitions?

I think "we" are getting old, cranky, pining for the past, and probably wishing baseball was played with tiny gloves.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 27, 2019, 10:17:42 AM
Global Entry is the way to go.

How does this "real ID" stuff work? I just renewed my DL in January.
You probably already have real ID. California was a laggard. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 27, 2019, 10:49:27 AM
Oh, yeah, that "real ID", the Federal mandate thing.  Yeah, mine is "real" too.  It doesn't help with security lines beyond being accepted.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on June 27, 2019, 11:02:54 AM
Imagine a couple conferences had 10 teams.  Maybe a few had 9.  They all play a full conference roundrobin schedule and then schedule 3-4 OOC games, usually with at least a couple good intersectional matchups.  Nobody felt the need to talk about conference revenue, television market footprints, or intellectual property rights.  Instead, people just watched football.

That was cool.
That's just crazy talk!
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on June 27, 2019, 11:41:41 AM
You guys think they'll fall for it?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 27, 2019, 11:46:07 AM
You probably already have real ID. California was a laggard.
Nope. Mine is not. Just checked.



Illinois sucks.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on June 27, 2019, 11:47:36 AM
Pennsylvania keeps pushing it back too.  I think it's now October 2020.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Kris60 on June 27, 2019, 11:59:23 AM
I’ve had such bad luck flying I’ve become gun shy about doing it even in situations it makes sense.  I’m not a frequent flyer.  I’ve probably flown 50 total times in my life.  I’d say I’ve experienced a major delay or cancellation on half of those flights.   A .500 batting average really isn’t very good. It’s become  such a joke among my family that when I fly they just assume that I will either get there or get home much later than the itinerary calls for.

Last year I drove 12 hours to Disney because I was afraid I’d get delayed in the airport with my kids which would be a nightmare.  Today is our last day aboard a Disney cruise and I thought long and hard about making the 12 hour drive to Orlando again but we decided to chance it and fly.  Luckily, everything went off without a hitch coming down, but we still have to get home.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 27, 2019, 12:24:00 PM
I've had good luck flying, flights usually on time, never had luggage lost.  The airlines "padded" their schedules when late arrivals started beings reported, so we usually get in early now.  If we leave late, a pilot will claim they are going to try to make up the time lost, which I figure is bogus.  It costs a lot of fuel to fly faster than standard cruise.

We were a few late out of the gate going to Paris here and were Number 20-something to depart, I think we missed our slot.  We burned a lot of fuel sitting.

There is a development for electric taxiing but no airline has gone for it.  A small generator in the plane would provide the power to electric motors on the wheels and the mains could be turned off.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 27, 2019, 12:56:27 PM
I'd like every P5 team to play at least ten other P5 level teams a year.  Many are doing that now.  I feared when the 9 game conference slate started it might pinch this but it has not as yet that I noticed.  That means two pastry home games.  Fine with me.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 27, 2019, 12:57:28 PM
There was some debate last season about UGA being included in the final four.  I'd note they did not play a strong OOC slate, and perhaps that was part of the reason they ended up at 5.  Had they beaten ND or someone P5 they might have made it.

I'm not saying they should have.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Riffraft on June 27, 2019, 02:21:02 PM
Global Entry is the way to go.

How does this "real ID" stuff work? I just renewed my DL in January.
I love Global entry, avoiding the long lines at customs when you come back home from overseas is so nice and of course you always get TSA Precheck for domestic flights.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 27, 2019, 02:46:58 PM
I love Global entry, avoiding the long lines at customs when you come back home from overseas is so nice and of course you always get TSA Precheck for domestic flights.
Yep, for sure. My wife did not get it yet, so I have not gotten the full benefit of not waiting at all. I wait for her outside while puffing a Swisher. One time it took her 75 minutes after me to clear through. That mighta been two Swishers.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 27, 2019, 04:08:55 PM
I think any conference with a number in its title should have said number reflect the number of members in said conference.

When I'm in charge ...

You can count Chicago, maybe.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 27, 2019, 04:28:17 PM
I think any conference with a number in its title should have said number reflect the number of members in said conference.

When I'm in charge ...

You can count Chicago, maybe.
In Chicago they count dead votes, so Chicago should count for conference number too, right? 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 27, 2019, 05:32:37 PM
Chicago issued "City ID Cards" starting last year. Who knows what those will be used for.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 27, 2019, 06:15:13 PM
I'm getting old, it would help if the Big Ten had TEN teams and the Big 12 had TWELVE teams and the Pac, well, I don't much care, they can have 50 if they want.

Do they still play  tackle football out there?

I also think if something is the SOUTHEASTERN CONFERENCE it should have only teams in the SOUTHEAST.  And an ATLANTIC COAST conference should have teams somewhere within say 500 miles of the dang coast.

So, I am pretty much mad at everybody.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on June 27, 2019, 08:01:07 PM
I'm getting old, it would help if the Big Ten had TEN teams and the Big 12 had TWELVE teams and the Pac, well, I don't much care, they can have 50 if they want.

Do they still play  tackle football out there?

I also think if something is the SOUTHEASTERN CONFERENCE it should have only teams in the SOUTHEAST.  And an ATLANTIC COAST conference should have teams somewhere within say 500 miles of the dang coast.

So, I am pretty much mad at everybody.
The SEC should certainly revoke the membership of ATM and Mizzou.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on June 27, 2019, 08:15:08 PM
Yeah, but what if they went to quasi-random regional bowl games that mostly were exhibitions?

I think "we" are getting old, cranky, pining for the past, and probably wishing baseball was played with tiny gloves.
Hey, God bless Jeremiah (Jerry) Denny.    Jerry was the last position player to play his entire major league career without a glove.  (1881-1894).  Ironically, he still holds a MLB record, for fielding the most chances (16) in a single game, albeit it was an extra inning game.   Denny played mostly 3B, and was known to be ambidextrous, which likely kept him from using a (tiny) glove.   I know he kicked around the minors until the early 1900s.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on June 27, 2019, 10:05:30 PM
Chicago issued "City ID Cards" starting last year. Who knows what those will be used for.
certainly will NOT be the ballot box
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 28, 2019, 11:43:29 AM
Chicago issued "City ID Cards" starting last year. Who knows what those will be used for.
Just got flights for the wife and I to get out there in Sept... She's never been to Chicago. I think she's most interested in seeing "the bean" lol... (And the food).
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 28, 2019, 11:51:31 AM
Let me know when you're in town.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 28, 2019, 02:29:10 PM
Let me know when you're in town.
Will do. Maybe we can grab a beer. 

Here are some ideas that we're trying to work around... Let me know if I'm missing anything.


I realize that's a bunch of tourist stuff, but hey, might as well be tourists ;-) 

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on June 28, 2019, 02:35:51 PM
Something I'm reminded of when I play tour guide around here: there is a reason tourists love these spots. Take Alcatraz: near every local Bay Area resident rolls their eyes at it, but it's really cool, and when you add in the views on the ferry ride back and forth, why wouldn't people love it?

You'll still have a hard time convincing me that Pier 39 is worth my time, but Fisherman's Wharf? Even that "tourist trap" is popular for a reason.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 28, 2019, 03:08:00 PM
Something I'm reminded of when I play tour guide around here: there is a reason tourists love these spots. Take Alcatraz: near every local Bay Area resident rolls their eyes at it, but it's really cool, and when you add in the views on the ferry ride back and forth, why wouldn't people love it?

You'll still have a hard time convincing me that Pier 39 is worth my time, but Fisherman's Wharf? Even that "tourist trap" is popular for a reason.
I lived up there in 2001 and half of 2002, and have been back many times, but had never done Alcatraz before ~2016 IIRC. I thought it was incredibly cool. Yeah, it's the "tourist" thing, but it's also cool in its own right. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on June 28, 2019, 03:25:05 PM
So don't feel bad about "touristy" things in Chicago! It's a great town that people visit for lots of really good reasons! :-)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 28, 2019, 05:48:13 PM
Interesting read: the Dark Forest theory of the internet...

Part 1: https://onezero.medium.com/the-dark-forest-theory-of-the-internet-7dc3e68a7cb1 (https://onezero.medium.com/the-dark-forest-theory-of-the-internet-7dc3e68a7cb1)
Part 2: https://onezero.medium.com/beyond-the-dark-forest-a905e2dd8ae0 (https://onezero.medium.com/beyond-the-dark-forest-a905e2dd8ae0)

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on June 28, 2019, 06:21:15 PM
I've been to Chicago 100s of times,  never set foot on Navy Pier, unless my parents dragged us there during stroller ages.  Kind of like Times Square.   Pass.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on June 28, 2019, 06:23:19 PM
I love the Alcatraz tour.  The earlier the better too.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on June 28, 2019, 10:57:27 PM
I still am having a hard time finding really good Q in the ATL.  There was the guy at the local market who sold it, but he told me last year he was close to hanging it up, and he has not been there this year.  It really diminishes the appeal of the market.  The other food vendors have millennial kinds of offerings.  Trip Advisor is useless for this sort of quest (if not in general).  I have founds really good Indian, tappas, Italian, Vietnamese, Chinese, you name it, but no Q that are really really good.

The "Famous" place was Harold's down by the Federal pen, but he's gone now too.  The places I see out in the 'burbs if we're out there look too clean and chainish.

I am disappoint.
Is this place relatively close?


1238 DeKalb Ave NE, Atlanta 30307

http://www.foxbrosbbq.com/index.html

 (http://www.foxbrosbbq.com/index.html)Supposed to be Texas style

The menu has Chicken fried ribs, smoked wings and the beef short rib
featured on my fav TV show, Triple "D"
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on June 29, 2019, 02:49:04 AM
Well now you've gone and done it-- you fools have doomed us all!

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 29, 2019, 02:54:32 AM
Yeah, we've been to Fox Bros a couple times.  The wife ordered brisket which I thought was good and I got pulled pork, which with Brunswick stew is my "go to" for evaluating Q.  It was mediocre (did not try the stew that trip).  Another place near us is Fat Matt's which is always packed and it has good chicken but the pork IMHO is mediocre.  The stew there is pretty good, acceptable.  I think I was just spoiled by the guy at the market.

Fox Bros. is close to Hattie B's which the wife prefers if there isn't a long line (which there is at lunch anyway).  They only have fried chicken and sides.

Pier 39 20 years back was pretty neat but got Disneyed last time I was out.  I guess it happens.  We're staying in the downtown Hilton if anyone has dining reccos.  I like "ethnic food" a lot.  Are there any good Chinese places nearby?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on June 29, 2019, 07:53:33 AM
that is disappointing

I like to try the Triple "D" places when traveling.

Some are better than others

most disappointing for me was a BBQ joint in OKC
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 29, 2019, 08:34:00 AM
Maybe I am too particular.  These local places are crowded, but I don't them to be more than pretty good.  One place we tried that looked like a dump was not even that good (our on Buford Highway where all the asian places are, they have this fake soup that is delicious).

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 29, 2019, 10:00:59 AM

Pier 39 20 years back was pretty neat but got Disneyed last time I was out.  I guess it happens.  We're staying in the downtown Hilton if anyone has dining reccos.  I like "ethnic food" a lot.  Are there any good Chinese places nearby?
In San Francisco? Well, there's Chinatown... 

Last time I was up there I went to a place called "Z & Y Restaurant" for authentic Sichuan cuisine. Highly recommend it. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 29, 2019, 10:20:09 AM
I was kidding about SF and Chinese food.  Had some great meals there as well, just about anywhere.  Our son took us to the Japanese area last time we visited, I had never been there before.  We had a very nice bottle of wine and some appetizers at some Italian place just south of Chinatown, weren't ready for dinner yet.

We love to dine outside, which is popular hereabouts as well.  That is one big difference here vs Cincinnati.  And Cincy is hotter all this week than here, and more humid to boot.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 29, 2019, 03:50:30 PM
I was kidding about SF and Chinese food.  Had some great meals there as well, just about anywhere.  Our son took us to the Japanese area last time we visited, I had never been there before.  We had a very nice bottle of wine and some appetizers at some Italian place just south of Chinatown, weren't ready for dinner yet.

We love to dine outside, which is popular hereabouts as well.  That is one big difference here vs Cincinnati.  And Cincy is hotter all this week than here, and more humid to boot.
I guess I didn't pick up the sarcasm lol...

That said, Z&Y is really good. It's often so hard to get actual regional Chinese food (rather than the ubiquitous "American Chinese" food) here. Z&Y is reliably and authentically Sichuan. It's freakin' delicious.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on June 29, 2019, 04:34:53 PM
I don't know if it is that hard, many of the places around here simply have alternate menus for those seeking a specific 'authentic' style.   I remember figuring this out as a plate came out to a table, and I was like 'I didn't see that on the menu.   Of course it was only printed in Mandarin. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on June 29, 2019, 05:02:00 PM
It is interesting how foreign cuisine gets Americanized.  Part of this is because of ingredients obtainable.  And of course China is a rather large country, it's possible food is different south to north, heh.

I'm most familiar with French cuisine in France versus here and it is different, even if the chef is French.  I had a chance to chat with Jean Robert DeCaval in Cincy a while back at some length on this topic, he said it's ingredients combined with with the customer expects.

He just had a bout with cancer but is on the mend I hear, really nice guy and terrific chef.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CatsbyAZ on June 30, 2019, 12:23:41 PM
With UConn returning to the Big East where does the football program go? And who does the AAC invite to replace a 12th team? (I’m hoping Marshall.) Or should the AAC look to boot an eleventh team as the below article makes a tongue-in-cheek case for evicting either Tulsa or East Carolina? (My vote off the Island would be Tulane.)

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thedailystampede.com/platform/amp/2019/6/25/18758838/uconn-big-east-american-conference-kickout-tulsa-ecu

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MichiFan87 on June 30, 2019, 03:25:29 PM
Connecticut will probably have to go independent. The MAC and Sun Belt probably don't want affiliate members considering it didn't really work for Temple, Massachusetts, New Mexico State, and Idaho. 

The American conference doesn't really have any really good options, either, which is why I am actually slightly surprised they didn't at least consider keeping Connecticut for football. Army is probably staying independent given their failures in CUSA compared to their success now (though there are other reasons for that), they have a lot of future games already scheduled, and I don't see how the Army - Navy game could remain the last game of the season if both are in the same conference unless the league ditched its conference championship game..... I actually it's more likely that Navy returns to being independent, since I think last year goes to show they're going to struggle to compete in the AAC long-term, and they'd probably like more scheduling flexibility since they use 3 of their 4 non-con games on their annual rivalries..... BYU probably isn't giving up independence except for the Big 12.... None of the CUSA or MAC schools really make sense to add, so they may just stay at 11, since they can still have a CCG now without divisions, as the Big 12 does..... One move they could make, though is adding VCU for all other sports, as they did with Wichita.

What's more interesting right now is in college hockey, the Midwestern WCHA schools are all leaving the Alaska and Alabama schools behind. Alaska has big budget troubles, so their programs could be going away, regardless. The upside of the move is that it would make it easier for them to add new programs that are more likely to be successful. I know Oakland has been considering going D1 for instance. The last USCHO podcast also confirmed that Illinois is still likely to add hockey as is Navy, apparently, and there are others that they know about but can't publicize.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on July 01, 2019, 03:06:03 PM
I was kidding about SF and Chinese food.  Had some great meals there as well, just about anywhere.  Our son took us to the Japanese area last time we visited, I had never been there before.  We had a very nice bottle of wine and some appetizers at some Italian place just south of Chinatown, weren't ready for dinner yet.

We love to dine outside, which is popular hereabouts as well.  That is one big difference here vs Cincinnati.  And Cincy is hotter all this week than here, and more humid to boot.
If you're here midweek, try the restaurants on Belden Place for outdoor dining. I enjoy Sauce; Plouf is also good (or was, years ago when I last went there), and I've heard good things about the other restaurants there. Sam's Grill is an old-school San Francisco place, but not outdoors (and I think it may still require jackets for dining? Crazy, I know). 

SFIrish and I ate at BlueStem, which is in a hotel nearby the Hilton, last weekend and enjoyed it, though the main courses weren't amazing. China Live gets good reviews (and I think requires reservations a bit in advance). I also recently received a recommendation for Cotogna.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 01, 2019, 04:20:52 PM
For Greek, I also really enjoyed Kokkari in SF. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on July 01, 2019, 05:18:11 PM
Agreed (for high-end Mediterranean).

On the opposite end of the price spectrum--and to get outside--grab burritos (or tacos, or whatever) at La Taqueria (2889 Mission Street), then take them over to Dolores Park for a picnic (just steer away from the clouds of recreational smoke that sometimes show up over there). If you and the missus are into ice cream, cap that off with a trip out to Mitchell's at 29th and San Jose. You will have a wait, but it's worth it.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 01, 2019, 05:45:58 PM
The wife somehow believes I can pick restaurants miraculously.  I am quite a bit less sanguine about that ability.  I have stumbled across a few.  

I also found a place in Barcelona that was not even average (and places that were quite good).  We had lunch at a place called Babalu yesterday that has an outdoor-indoor bar that worked quite well and the tacos were decent, 3 for ten.  They have $2 taco Tuesday.

So, I may wonder around near the Hilton in SF and spot a place, or we will go where our son says to try.  He took us to the place that "invented" Irish coffee last time, they knew him there by name, which is not unusual for him.  Anyway, as we're near Chinatown I'm sure we'll dine there a couple of times.  We're headed to Sonoma after SF.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 01, 2019, 06:21:32 PM
We're headed to Sonoma after SF.
If you get a chance, check out Russian River Brewing in Santa Rosa (or they now have a place in Windsor). Great beer, great pizza, very cool place. Home of "Pliny the Elder", was rated the best beer in America about 7 years running by the American Homebrew Association members and now has slipped to the ignominious position of merely #2 nationwide...

Wine-wise, Sonoma is great. My go-to is Zinfandel from the Dry Creek Valley. You can find some amazing versions. My last visit there, I really enjoyed Talty and Wilson. On a previous trip, Comstock was a big hit for me too. We had a really good time at Foppiano, although that wasn't about Zin, but it was a really relaxed little joint.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on July 01, 2019, 06:53:52 PM
The Girl and the Fig is the most popular Sonoma restaurant (assuming the city of Sonoma), but our favorite is Cafe La Haye, just off the square.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 01, 2019, 07:15:15 PM
We're meeting a buddy of mine in Sonoma (and his wife), the guy who's a huge OSU fan.  He has memberships at a ton of wineries, and I still have my business cards which gets me in free.

Usually.

I scored last time at Regusci and they don't ship out any more, but they are in Napa of course.  I'm sure we go to Regusci.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 01, 2019, 07:15:40 PM
I keep hearing about from French place that does laundry in Napa also.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 02, 2019, 08:25:09 AM
I've heard a lot about that place too.


Back from Milwaukee now. I think this might have been the first time ever that The Lake was a pond for both legs of the trip. Amazing.


Zac Brown was good, but not up to par with what I've seen him do in the past.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 02, 2019, 08:49:55 AM
Sonoma is interesting wine wise because one can drive 5 miles and go from pinot/chardonnay terroir to zinfandel terroir.  I don't know of anything location in the world with that kind of microclimate diversity in such close quarters.

This is why the French classify their wine by location and not varietal (they have started putting varietal on some wines for export for dumb Americans).

Chablis for example is only one kind of wine, anything else grown in the region cannot be labeled Chablis.  Bordeaux allows five red varietals (and several whites).  Anything from there that is red has only those five types (from 1 to 5).  The Rhone is a bit messier.  Burgundy is mostly pinot'chard.  Beaujolais can be considered part of Burgundy (as can Chablis).  Champagne is made from 3 varietals (with some very minor exceptions).

I guess sfbadger's kids are about grown now.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on July 02, 2019, 12:01:22 PM
That laundry in Napa supposedly delivers--have never been.

CD, kids aren't grown yet, but the older one sure wants to be--and begins to look and act like it (girls do that earlier, I think). She's been away for two weeks and has loved every minute of it, near as we can tell. Starts high school in the fall. The younger is in the waning months of the golden years. He still likes us best, but probably not for long (at least not openly). Having them both out of the house a week ago was kinda fun. Turns out SFIrish and I like each other's company. And we were happy to pick him up, and we're anxiously awaiting her return tonight. We're in no hurry to push them out, but out they will go when it's time. Good kids--more important: good people.

Two working days until a two-week vacation for me. I'll have to do a little work while I'm gone, but not a lot (I hope). Office is pretty mellow this week, and will close early tomorrow, which is nice.

As for Sonoma: we like it more than Napa. It feels a little less touristy, we like the natural beauty more, and we consistently like the wine there (even though cabs are more our thing and Napa has the "better" cabs). Viticulture is a fascinating thing, and Sonoma and Napa right next to each other makes for an interesting contrast. And being an hour or less (if you're lucky with traffic) from San Francisco makes it an easier trip than a lot of visitors realize.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 02, 2019, 12:07:51 PM
Napa is something I avoid with few exceptions to visit.  I like their wines for the most part though they generally are over priced.

It's like Disneyland or Epcot for wine lovers.  I want to get up into Lake and Mendocino counties, they are starting to have some excellent wines at reasonable prices.  The Costcos near us have such ridiculously cheap wine prices I don't need to go there to get bargains though.

I miss having Regusci on occasion.  I have about 3 bottles left here.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on July 02, 2019, 12:08:03 PM
PSA- I did some work on how tables appear in threads/posts... hold shift hit refresh to see it.  the thread atop the board (B10 schedule) is a good example so y'all don't have to scout around to find one if you're so inclined to check it out... i should have done this a long time ago- don't know why i didn't.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 02, 2019, 02:48:43 PM
As for Sonoma: we like it more than Napa. It feels a little less touristy, we like the natural beauty more, and we consistently like the wine there (even though cabs are more our thing and Napa has the "better" cabs). Viticulture is a fascinating thing, and Sonoma and Napa right next to each other makes for an interesting contrast. And being an hour or less (if you're lucky with traffic) from San Francisco makes it an easier trip than a lot of visitors realize.
A lot of people I know describe it as Sonoma [and Paso] having the sort of vibe that Napa used to have. I can't exactly tell, because I wasn't of drinking age nor a Californian in these supposed Napa glory days lol...
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on July 02, 2019, 03:11:00 PM
Home of "Pliny the Elder", was rated the best beer in America about 7 years running by the American Homebrew Association members and now has slipped to the ignominious position of merely #2 nationwide...


Ya by them,fairly certain they didn't win a cost to coast blind taste test.I always go local found out chasing down the ballyhooed narritive of a collective few was a lesson in futility
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 02, 2019, 03:18:29 PM
Ya by them,fairly certain they didn't win a cost to coast blind taste test.I always go local found out chasing down the ballyhooed narritive of a collective few was a lesson in futility
Well, it I am CERTAIN that it didn't win because all those homebrewers have actually tasted it. It's a damn hard beer to find. It is a very flawed survey.

That said, Pliny is a superb beer. It deserves its reputation. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on July 02, 2019, 03:55:25 PM
I prefer their sours. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on July 02, 2019, 04:00:34 PM
 Pliny is a superb beer. It deserves its reputation.
I get that but Coors use to be hard to find East of the Mississippi ;D.I'm sure Pliny is some fine suds,there's too many Micro's out there to throw hard coin at because you can't get you mitts on it.Same-same with Pappy Van Winkle to the Bourbon swillers
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on July 02, 2019, 04:17:59 PM
I get that but Coors use to be hard to find East of the Mississippi ;D.
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Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on July 02, 2019, 04:35:05 PM
Pliney sucks.  Typical overhopped West Coast IPA crap.

Russian River does make some interesting Belgian style beers, though.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 02, 2019, 05:14:04 PM
I get that but Coors use to be hard to find East of the Mississippi ;D.I'm sure Pliny is some fine suds,there's too many Micro's out there to throw hard coin at because you can't get you mitts on it.Same-same with Pappy Van Winkle to the Bourbon swillers
Coors banquet is actually a quite fine beer. I could do without Coors Light, unless I'm trying to hydrate.

I'm just saying, if you happen to come across Pliny (which should be getting easier as they recently expanded and built a new brewery), you could do a LOT worse.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CatsbyAZ on July 02, 2019, 05:18:20 PM
Pliney sucks.  Typical overhopped West Coast IPA crap.

One of my only personal negatives about moving back West - every bar you go hasn’t let up on their IPA kick, a movement that should’ve crested half a decade ago, and continues to crowd out the summery, easier to down, lagers
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 02, 2019, 05:20:31 PM
Pliney sucks.  Typical overhopped West Coast IPA crap.

Russian River does make some interesting Belgian style beers, though. 
Except it's not. While you don't really hear this term about 8% double IPA beers, it's remarkably balanced. 

By all measures [and if you look at the recipe], it should be ridiculously over-hopped and nigh-undrinkable. Yet it's eminently drinkable. 

There are some beers I know of that would fall into the category you describe--a category I enjoy regularly. But Pliny is not one of them.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on July 02, 2019, 05:22:25 PM
for whatever value, Pappy ain't what it used to be.  i'd just assume save a few bucks and get the Weller which is just as good and far easier to find... it would be Pappy if it stayed in the cask a few more years, and which is precisely the reason i'm over pappy- it's too smokey- it disturbs the complexity by my reckoning.  I don't recall it being that way before- or maybe now that i've pegged it i can't see around it.    
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 02, 2019, 05:27:42 PM
One of my only personal negatives about moving back West - every bar you go hasn’t let up on their IPA kick, a movement that should’ve crested half a decade ago, and continues to crowd out the summery, easier to down, lagers
Lagers are making a comeback... However IPA is America's beer. I don't think it's going away.

I don't know if you ever make it to SoCal, but in Corona there is a brewery called Skyland Ale Works. One of my homebrew club buddies just recently became half-owner. He's the guy that if I ever won the lottery, was first-in-line to hire as my brewmaster, so that should tell you how highly I respected his beer on the homebrew level. Now that he's commercial, I've been to the brewery and their lineup, top to bottom, is excellent. And he's got quite a few lagers in his recipe repertoire, including a Vienna Lager that has been one of his mainstays probably as long as I've known him.

If you ever find your way out here, I recommend it. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 02, 2019, 06:20:06 PM
Why is INDIA Pale Ale "America's Beer"?  Didn't the Brits come up with that to survive heat in passage?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 02, 2019, 06:26:47 PM
Why is INDIA Pale Ale "America's Beer"?  Didn't the Brits come up with that to survive heat in passage?
For the same reason that curry is now English food. They've adopted it ;-) 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on July 02, 2019, 06:33:30 PM
Except it's not. While you don't really hear this term about 8% double IPA beers, it's remarkably balanced.

By all measures [and if you look at the recipe], it should be ridiculously over-hopped and nigh-undrinkable. Yet it's eminently drinkable.

There are some beers I know of that would fall into the category you describe--a category I enjoy regularly. But Pliny is not one of them.

Doesn't come off as balanced to me-- like, not at all.  Just still too bitter and with too much alcohol that I can taste.  As you said, nigh-undrinkable is exactly how it comes off.

But like I said, Russian River does actually make some interesting Belgian-style beers, so I forgive them.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on July 02, 2019, 06:35:56 PM
Why is INDIA Pale Ale "America's Beer"?  Didn't the Brits come up with that to survive heat in passage?
Yes.  You weren't ever supposed to actually taste the brutally over-hopped bitterness. In original IPAs, all that bitter fades and mellows over time.  Even now British IPAs are way more drinkable than West Coast American IPAs.

Luckily for me, down here in Texico, the bitter-bomb IPAs are diminishing somewhat in popularity, and leaving at least a little more room on tap walls for delicious balanced beers, especially many of the various lager styles which go so well in the heat of the summer.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 02, 2019, 06:42:47 PM
I may have mentioned a bar near me that has over 100 beers and types on tap.  Some of them are ciders.

Give me ten good ones and I'm fine, balanced and not silly overdone.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on July 02, 2019, 07:07:04 PM
I shared a 6-pack of Breckenridge Vanilla Porter in Norman a couple of weeks ago.  Very nice, I thought.

I don't know how it rates among beer snobs, however.

;)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 02, 2019, 07:25:41 PM
Why does the fork go on the left?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on July 02, 2019, 07:34:58 PM
One of my only personal negatives about moving back West - every bar you go hasn’t let up on their IPA kick, a movement that should’ve crested half a decade ago, and continues to crowd out the summery, easier to down, lagers
Thank You,Malty goodness is what it's all about.You could package summer's eve as aquality IPA and people would buy it.Sheep
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on July 02, 2019, 07:42:45 PM
Lagers are making a comeback... However IPA is America's beer. I don't think it's going away.
Um,no just no,hot dog water,come back to the upper mid west where the grains and fresh water are.IPA were born under the guise of bad beer is better than no beer.But the good stuff like Lagers/pilsners/Porters/Nut Browns much better choices for the discriminating palates
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 02, 2019, 07:43:57 PM
I pretty much only drink ales or lagers when it comes to beer.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 02, 2019, 08:25:01 PM
Why does the fork go on the left?
Because the knife is on the right.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CatsbyAZ on July 02, 2019, 08:34:48 PM
Lagers are making a comeback... However IPA is America's beer. I don't think it's going away.

I don't know if you ever make it to SoCal, but in Corona there is a brewery called Skyland Ale Works.

What city is Skyland in? I’m probably not too far away.

IPAs are an acquired taste from my Enlisted days. Ten or Twelve years ago my fellow sailers got me onto IPAs in the name of their approach to get the highest alcohol content out of every beer. Of course, IPAs are usually 2%-4% higher than their lighter peers. But like any acquired taste it eventually hits you - why did I ever like this? The bitterness and sleepy heaviness caught up with me after about seven years of not questioning IPAs.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 02, 2019, 09:07:58 PM
Why does the fork go on the left?
Because some left-handed person [likely royalty] in history convinced the world that the fork should be on the left.

It's one of the few victories we left-handed folks still have left [pun intended]. Please don't take it away!
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 02, 2019, 09:10:45 PM
What city is Skyland in? I’m probably not too far away.

IPAs are an acquired taste from my Enlisted days. Ten or Twelve years ago my fellow sailers got me onto IPAs in the name of their approach to get the highest alcohol content out of every beer. Of course, IPAs are usually 2%-4% higher than their lighter peers. But like any acquired taste it eventually hits you - why did I ever like this? The bitterness and sleepy heaviness caught up with me after about seven years of not questioning IPAs.
Skyland is in Corona (right off the 91 pretty much at the Orange County / Riverside County line).

As for IPAs, I should clarify. I'm not a fan of sweetness. My preferred flavor profiles are spicy, salty, sour and bitter. Not sweet. I'm the guy who drinks my coffee strong and black, can't find dark chocolate dark enough, actually enjoys the flavor of orange peel [absurdly bitter], etc. So for me, a brutally bitter IPA is like manna to my taste buds. Sugar? Nope. You can keep it.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 02, 2019, 09:26:04 PM
Speaking of beer.... (https://pulptastic.com/craft-beers-are-so-2015/)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on July 02, 2019, 09:55:17 PM
Skyland is in Corona (right off the 91 pretty much at the Orange County / Riverside County line).

As for IPAs, I should clarify. I'm not a fan of sweetness. My preferred flavor profiles are spicy, salty, sour and bitter. Not sweet. I'm the guy who drinks my coffee strong and black, can't find dark chocolate dark enough, actually enjoys the flavor of orange peel [absurdly bitter], etc. So for me, a brutally bitter IPA is like manna to my taste buds. Sugar? Nope. You can keep it.
I'm not a huge fan of sweet beer, either.  For example, New Belgium's Fat Tire is way, WAY to sweet and malty for me.  There are other examples but that's the first one that comes to mind, and one that many folks are familiar with.

Rather, I'm a fan of balance.  My favorite Czech-style pilsner in the USA, Like Oak Pilz, has quite a bit of hops in it.  Most Euro pilsners do. But it's balanced with an appropriate dose of malt to keep the flavor profile in check.  Additionally, it uses Czech saaz hops, which I find to be quite tasty, rather than the really bitter c-hops that are most commonly found in American West Coast IPAs.  

Balance is the key.  Yin and Yang.  Someday perhaps young bwar will learn the secrets of the universe.  That is, if he has any taste buds left, that haven't been completely fried by bad West Coast IPAs at that point... ;)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 03, 2019, 07:11:06 AM
Because some left-handed person [likely royalty] in history convinced the world that the fork should be on the left.


Or, is it because essentially all righty's use their right hand for cutting with the knife, and stuff their pie holes with the fork in their left hand?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on July 03, 2019, 07:17:24 AM
I wouldn't know about knives and forks I eat over the sink
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Temp430 on July 03, 2019, 07:27:37 AM
I wouldn't know about knives and forks I eat over the sink

Me too.  Drives my wife nuts.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 03, 2019, 07:32:35 AM
Spaghetti must be a bitch to eat like that.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on July 03, 2019, 07:36:13 AM

Rather, I'm a fan of balance.  My favorite Czech-style pilsner in the USA, Like Oak Pilz, has quite a bit of hops in it.  Most Euro pilsners do. But it's balanced with an appropriate dose of malt to keep the flavor profile in check.  Additionally, it uses Czech saaz hops, which I find to be quite tasty, rather than the really bitter c-hops that are most commonly found in American West Coast IPAs. Balance is the key. 
A friend brought back some imported Czech Pilsner(in the can) from a trip in central Pa last year.While in some little out of the way hamlet he grabbed it.I've been kicking myself in the keiser ever since that I did not keep the can with the Czech writing.It was some of the best suds ever to cascade over me buds.I'm convinced the waxed lined cans are the way to go - keeping the damaging rays of light completely out - it's a thing
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on July 03, 2019, 07:38:08 AM
Me too.  Drives my wife nuts.
Cindy said if i do it anymore at Christmas/Thanksgiving she's leaving.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on July 03, 2019, 07:40:47 AM
Spaghetti must be a bitch to eat like that.
The middle easterns do it all the time with their community plates - but I'm not certain where their hands have been
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 03, 2019, 08:06:43 AM
On occasion, we have some kind of stew for dinner.  I fix it, usually using left over steak that I grilled, sometimes fish stew.  It gets served in bowls obviously.  And the wife will set the table with knife, fork, and spoon.  I'm like "why the knife and fork"?

I grilled some "Prime" sirloins from Costco last week and they were pretty bad, surprised me.  I froze the 5 steaks we didn't eat and made stew a while later with 2 of them, was good.  Don't need a knife and fork.  We had earlier had some sirloin from Whole Foods that were tasty and tender, these were only rated Choice.

Rather puzzling.  I can recall when sirloin was a nice cut of beef but today often as not they tend to be more like chuck.

I grill steelhead trout 2-3 times a week.  We both really like it.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on July 03, 2019, 08:51:59 AM
i don't understand women. 

as a bachelor i used  precisely one glass, one plate, one bowl, one spoon, one fork, one knife- they took up residence beside the sink after being washed by hand immediately after use.  When my now wife moved in she screeched the first time she used the dishwasher as it was spitting water everywhere- the seals had dried up and cracked... and they could have been that way from when i bought the house for all i know. 

something else i don't get... never in my life have a had to repair a cabinet door or towel bar prior to women in the house... the lower cabinets they put weight on as they lean down to peer into... they use the upper ones to pull themselves up... i think they must throw a towel over a towel bar and swing like freakin' monkeys when nobody is looking.  ... then, it's perpetually "form over function" with dozens of little pillows across a bed in an arrangement that apparently has assignments and precision for each component which i've yet to duplicate. 

my God, what have I done?  I'm the only dude in the house.  I had a dude dog for about six months, and 'they' took him to the vet... 'he' came back an 'it'. 

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 03, 2019, 08:59:25 AM
My wife fortunately has very very few oddities (other than being French, I suppose that counts for something).  She is almost too agreeable.  She's a competent driver, she drives faster than I do by 10% or so.  She likes a manual transmission.  She is cold a lot.  We went for a walk and to do errands yesterday and she grabbed a sweater and put it around her neck.  It was 95°F and we were not planning on staying inside anywhere.  I like to have a bit of air blowing on me in the car and she does not.  She watches some very odd TV shows but she says they are mindless and clears her mind, which is OK by me.  One of them is something like "Say yes to the dress".  It has to be close to the dumbest TV show I've ever seen, only watched 5 minutes of it once.

She likes wine and beer and vodka and some kind of grapefruit liquor thing.  She really likes Champagne.  And Kirkland brand Prosecco.  She enjoys being spoiled a bit at times.

I suppose the oddities are things that really don't matter to me.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on July 03, 2019, 09:19:51 AM
don't get me wrong- the 'oddities' as you've called them are fascinations and are often interesting and rarely vexing.  i guess the thing that strikes me odd is my lady is far from dumb or lacking common sense- she's got a pile of degrees and certifications- and it's for this reason it strikes me as odd she can't understand some simple things intuitively. 

a for instance: she wanted to put a hot tub on the deck of a property we own in the 'great white north' as i call it.  she had no idea why i was speaking about beams and joists, sistering piers and introducing bracing in regards to distribution of weight.  It took me a while to grasp where she was losing traction it seemed so simple and common a concept to me... 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on July 03, 2019, 10:57:12 AM
Yes, totally with you on the cabinet doors.  Why do women lean on those things???

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 03, 2019, 11:03:49 AM
Women breathe different air

just wired differently

apparently I'm too logical to understand them
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 03, 2019, 11:04:15 AM
Cindy said if i do it anymore at Christmas/Thanksgiving she's leaving.
there's an easy way out!
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on July 03, 2019, 12:56:44 PM
Don't give me any ideas FF.So Cindy has dyslexia and man I'll tell you it's tough.I completely cleaned the fridge out yesterday - washed the whole interior shelves,bins,nooks,crannies anyway there was at least two of everything opened except mayo there was 3 of those,2 brown mustards,2 italian dressings,chicken broths etc,etc,etc.Oh and there were 3 bags of walnuts.She is a fantastic cook but I have the god given ability to clean up after her.Looks like the food fight scene in Animal House after she is done cooking
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 03, 2019, 12:59:56 PM
just tryin to help a brother
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on July 03, 2019, 01:18:10 PM
My i s c & a aggie wife is the same way when she cooks. I call it the "shitsplosion."
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 03, 2019, 01:34:50 PM
my ex was like that

that wasn't the horrible part, it was the end product

I could clean up the mess, I couldn't eat the food
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on July 03, 2019, 02:18:52 PM
my ex was like that

that wasn't the horrible part, it was the end product

I could clean up the mess, I couldn't eat the food
So bad the flies chipped in to get the screen fixed?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 03, 2019, 03:27:39 PM
We were out and about today and I drove by Fox Bros. BBQ for lunch - not a chance, cars lined up trying to get into the place.  We meandered about and ended up at something called the Crazy Crab or something like that, I don't recommend it, at all, in Decatur.

Captain D's is as good.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 03, 2019, 04:02:18 PM
One of the most widely held misconceptions about the Declaration of Independence is that it was signed on July 4, 1776. In fact, independence was formally declared on July 2, 1776, a date that John Adams believed would be “the most memorable epocha in the history of America.” On July 4, 1776, Congress approved the final text of the Declaration. It wasn’t signed until August 2, 1776.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on July 03, 2019, 05:24:38 PM
Luckily my i s c & a aggie wife is a really good cook, and even more importantly she really enjoys it.  She just has no concept of cleaning as she goes along.

As I think about it, it might be due to watching cooking shows.  Where they make these super-complex meals that utilize a myriad of cooking dishes, and even more prep dishes, and then finally serving dishes (because heaven forbid I serve myself some gruyere garlic mashed potatoes out of the pot-- it absolutely must be spooned from a separate and entirely unnecessary serving dish).  And of course the person cooking on that show doesn't do any of the cleaning during the show, there's an entire staff for that post-filming.  

Maybe she thinks she's Giada, and the rest of us are her production lackeys. :)

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 03, 2019, 05:37:11 PM
Maybe she thinks she's Giada, and the rest of us are her production lackeys. :)
Does Giada cook?

I mean, I've seen her shows many many times, but I haven't been distracted by the food. ;-) 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on July 03, 2019, 05:46:16 PM
Does Giada cook?

I mean, I've seen her shows many many times, but I haven't been distracted by the food. ;-)
Good point!
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 03, 2019, 06:19:45 PM
I had to stop my first wife from cooking.  First, she wasn't any good at it, and second, she'd use every pan in the kitchen somehow leaving it for me to clean up.

My work load went down enormously when she moved out.  I only had three kids instead of four, and the fourth was by far the messiest and most disruptive.

I became a "master" at one pot dinners.  I'd need two for spaghetti.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 03, 2019, 07:39:39 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/so6PW5R.jpg)

The prettiest spot I've been to in the lower 48 outside an NP, maybe inside as well.

Guardsmans Pass, Utah.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 03, 2019, 07:40:10 PM


(https://i.imgur.com/Is1RiwU.png)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 03, 2019, 07:41:02 PM
My wife and I are messy cooks. Not even going to apologize for it. The results are worth it. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 03, 2019, 07:41:42 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/Bf2grys.jpg)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on July 03, 2019, 08:13:36 PM
Those are beautiful pics, CD.  Did you take them?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 03, 2019, 09:07:29 PM
Do not freeze gas station sushi.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 03, 2019, 09:08:08 PM
Beautiful area.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on July 03, 2019, 09:18:27 PM
The Gas Station Sushi Bar?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on July 03, 2019, 09:36:41 PM
@cincydawg- that is absolutely gorgeous.... Utah.... man, I'd love to vacate and move to some place like that. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 04, 2019, 08:35:39 AM
Utah is accessible from Vegas, and you get cheap rental cars in Vegas and cheap flights, often as not.  Salt Lake is the other obvious option.

Zion NP is one of my favorites, but a lot of Utah LOOKS like it should be a national park and is just land.

We hit this area in late September one year.  We stopped at one little church for the wife and just outside the church in the middle of town was a moose and her kid, whatever a baby moose is called, chowing on some foliage.  This was near Park City, another small town in the area.  The moose was quite placid though I gave it appropriate berth.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on July 04, 2019, 11:00:13 AM
Baby moose = calf

I've seen a couple of moose wandering the streets of Anchorage, AK.  They are quite a hazard to automobiles, as if you hit one, it crashes through your windshield and crushes you.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on July 04, 2019, 12:08:24 PM
Amish Carts don't have that problem
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 04, 2019, 12:20:03 PM
A bit earlier today, around 60,000 people ran by our place (a couple blocks west and south).  The roads have been closed, are just now reopening.

Running, in Atlanta, in July, on pavement.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on July 04, 2019, 01:13:24 PM
what was chasing them @Cincydawg (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=870)? 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 04, 2019, 01:27:37 PM
what was chasing them @Cincydawg (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=870)?

Not sure, there were helos flying all over the place this morning.  Streets were blocked off and there were a ton of popo, but none of them were really chasing anyone.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on July 04, 2019, 02:01:01 PM
Ive seen a bunch run from a girl we used to call the "googe" back when we were in grade school.  Thats one hell of a googe if 60k were running from her.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on July 04, 2019, 03:04:09 PM
Running, in Atlanta, in July, on pavement.
Every heart has only so many beats - why push it?!
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 04, 2019, 04:31:10 PM
https://www.11alive.com/article/sports/ajc-peachtree-road-race/results-2019-ajc-peachtree-road-race/85-4fe6062e-b9e0-4408-a53d-16dc4ec05527 (https://www.11alive.com/article/sports/ajc-peachtree-road-race/results-2019-ajc-peachtree-road-race/85-4fe6062e-b9e0-4408-a53d-16dc4ec05527)

(https://i.imgur.com/2SFvwDa.png)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 04, 2019, 06:21:19 PM
Dew Point 69 F

Humidity 63%

heat index 94 here in Iowa

only played 18 holes this afternoon

wasn't running
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: GopherRock on July 04, 2019, 06:58:17 PM
There were a lot of people running like mad down at the Stone Arch Bridge this morning. I didn't think my jokes were that bad...
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on July 04, 2019, 07:00:59 PM
Amish Carts don't have that problem
;)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on July 04, 2019, 07:21:39 PM
only played 18 holes this afternoon

wasn't running
Good hate to see all that perfectly good Bud (if there is such a thing) bouncing out of your cup.Kinda hard to light stogies that way also or so I've been told
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 04, 2019, 07:28:10 PM
When I was in college eons ago, we had little choice in beer selection, none of them any good.  A buddy and me used to get a 12 pack of RW&B or Old Mil on Friday and sit around talking and quaffing.  We had Schlitz back then, including dark Schlitz, which was almost OK.  It may have been regular Schlitz with caramel added.

On rare occasion, someone would bring out some Coors which was like sacred stuff back then in the East, rare beer.  I vaguely recall having a Heineken once and didn't like it, I'd guess that was many years later.  It was skunky.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 04, 2019, 07:35:35 PM
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-football/news/college-football-best-nonconference-games-2019/1drlcad7cs1ik1e7g3v2k4mb90 (https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-football/news/college-football-best-nonconference-games-2019/1drlcad7cs1ik1e7g3v2k4mb90)

Seems like a paucity of good OOC games this year to me.  They have Duke-v-Bama at 7th.  That won't be very entertaining I suspect.

LSU at Texas looks to be a real something to watch.

Kansas at Boston College is ranked 19th.  Wo.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on July 04, 2019, 07:40:42 PM
  I vaguely recall having a Heineken once and didn't like it, I'd guess that was many years later.  It was skunky.
Yup heiny's bottles allowed light and always tasted skunky.Remember reading about the 101st at Eindoven during Market Garden.Some guys from 506 PIR Easy Co took position up on a warehouse roof.One Rifleman and 2 mortarmen with a good viewpoint they opened up on Gerry positions.Well they got noticed by artillary spotters and their position got blasted they fell 2-3 stories down and landed on cases of Beer.It was a Heineken Warehouse and they got out with their lives and some Bier
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 04, 2019, 07:53:25 PM
The wife likes "light beer", so I try and order something like a pils if she wants one.  She usually tries whatever I order, and often as not she likes it too, but doesn't realize I'm drinking an IPA often as not.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 04, 2019, 10:15:39 PM
Good hate to see all that perfectly good Bud (if there is such a thing) bouncing out of your cup.Kinda hard to light stogies that way also or so I've been told
don't enjoy the stogies much when the heat index is over 90
even drank a couple bud lights to stay hydrated amongst the Bud heavy
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 05, 2019, 12:25:45 PM
I was at LAX when that big quake hit Ridgecrest. Oddly minimal swaying at the airport while I heard it was somewhat stronger farther south in OC. Also heard it was felt as far away as Vegas.

Hoping that if the "big one" hits it does it before we fly back on Sunday lol... 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 05, 2019, 12:31:29 PM
I blame Trump

something should be done about these Earth Shakes...

Far more urgent & dangerous than climate change
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on July 05, 2019, 10:27:03 PM
Here's a pic of Utah that is very similar to what popped up on my Windows 10 boot-up.

(https://www.utahbusiness.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/timpanogos.jpg)

Southern Wasatch Mountains is the title on the Windows 10 pic.  This isn't it exactly, but it's close.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 07, 2019, 04:31:18 PM
Finally home, and happy to report that the beer was unharmed by the quakes. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on July 07, 2019, 04:35:21 PM
My folks sent us some dough for their 50th anniversary.  they want us to go out with the kids and get them dressed up, etc.  Sunday night is the perfect night for such events.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on July 07, 2019, 07:22:00 PM
My folks sent us some dough for their 50th anniversary. 
HuH,How'd ya work that - you guys 1%ers?not that there's anything wrong with that
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on July 07, 2019, 07:37:05 PM
Finally home, and happy to report that the beer was unharmed by the quakes.
Thank God!
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on July 08, 2019, 07:16:13 AM
Finally home, and happy to report that the beer was unharmed by the quakes.
This is comforting indeed
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 08, 2019, 08:28:46 AM
I am out of thoughts, pithy or otherwise, today.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on July 08, 2019, 11:48:54 AM
HuH,How'd ya work that - you guys 1%ers?not that there's anything wrong with that
My parents are retired and out west,  they wanted us kids to celebrate on their behalf.  They had my brothers do the same with their respective families. 
My girls love any reason to get dolled up, curl their hair and wear heels.  They still end up ordering buttered noodles and French fries, but they enjoyed the spectacle.  The goblets, all the silverware and the heavy bound menus.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 10, 2019, 02:50:36 PM
ROSEMONT, Ill. – The Big Ten Conference announced today that three Hall of Famers will attend the 2019 Big Ten Football Kickoff Luncheon in Lorenzo White of Michigan State, Tom Osborne of Nebraska and Barry Alvarez of Wisconsin. The 48th annual event will be held Friday, July 19, in the International Ballroom at the Hilton Chicago.

https://bigten.org/news/2019/7/10/hall-of-famers-alvarez-osborne-and-white-to-attend-2019-big-ten-football-kickoff-luncheon.aspx (https://bigten.org/news/2019/7/10/hall-of-famers-alvarez-osborne-and-white-to-attend-2019-big-ten-football-kickoff-luncheon.aspx)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on July 12, 2019, 12:58:17 PM
Beautiful tennis match going on right now with Nadal and Federer. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 12, 2019, 09:06:36 PM
Cincy,

Are you close to Midtown?

This taco place looks interesting.  Maybe you've tried it.

They have wine on the menu

https://www.rrealtacos.com/menu-catering (https://www.rrealtacos.com/menu-catering)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 13, 2019, 02:34:23 PM
We live in midtown, more on 13th street, but we walk down south fairly often well past 6th.  There are so many restaurants around it's been tough to try them all, and we have our favorites.  This place is pretty good also and they have an indoor/outdoor bar which is nice.  They do a tableside guac there.  We look for places with patios.

https://www.eatbabalu.com/order-online-atlanta-midtown/ (https://www.eatbabalu.com/order-online-atlanta-midtown/)

There is a new Whole Foods up the street that has a lot of offerings we have yet to explore much.  It's the largest in the SE apparently.  They have some nice beer on tap and the bartenders cannot accept tips, and they have outdoor seating there and on the roof.

And there is a lot more on the way, both openings and new buildings going up.  A new Persian place is due to open up the street in Spring next to a new sushi place
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 15, 2019, 01:13:00 PM
I posted about this in one of the OT Tourney posts, but as those threads quickly get closed after the voting completes, thought I'd mention it again here.

Anyone a fan of Chris Whitley? He is [sadly, he was] a folk/blues guitarist and singer. Really good stuff IMHO. In a thread discussing Stevie Ray Vaughan and Chris Duarte I figured that if people are fans of those guys, they'd probably like Whitley. He's not the same [more folk than the driving guitar of SRV or Duarte], but I'm going to guess if you give him a shot, you'll like it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-t2h5qeEo4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-t2h5qeEo4)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 15, 2019, 01:23:23 PM
yes, I've listened to his music

I enjoy good story tellers and folk music

John Prine and Jaime Brockett are a couple of my favorites
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 15, 2019, 01:23:48 PM
Tickets (https://bigten.org/news/2019/7/15/tickets-for-the-2019-big-ten-football-championship-game-presented-by-discover-on-sale-saturday-july-20.aspx) to the Big Ten championship game will go on sale Saturday.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on July 16, 2019, 08:28:42 AM
CBS streaming their entire Apollo 11 coverage in real time

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/apollo-11-moon-launch-memorable-moments-cbs-news-coverage-50-years-ago-today-2019-07-16-live-stream/
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 16, 2019, 09:32:29 AM
that'll take me back to my childhood
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 17, 2019, 06:39:01 AM
I avidly followed the space program as a kid and then a teen.  I would have been shocked at where we are today with space in 2019, but there is some good news ahead, I hope.  I lean to thinking we should use "robots" to explore and humans only to colonize.  I like the idea of pushing a small asteroid to an L5 point for colonization.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 17, 2019, 08:00:50 AM
In other breaking news, it's hot down here, like July hot.

The highs this week ranged from 91°-93°, which is lower than the highs in Cincy most of the week (they forecast 96°F two days).

I like the °F scale for weather better than °C.  The simple reason is that most weather we encounter is between 0 and 100°F.  Anyone doing physics calculations needs to use Kelvin anyway.  I do wish we'd go full metric on volumes.  We have Two Liter Coke but 1 gallon milk.  A gallon of milk (or water) weighs 8 pounds.  A liter of Coke weighs 1 kg.  A gallon is a bit heavy for some ladies, so why not sell say 1.5 L of milk and 3 L of milk?

I hate the teaspoon tablespoon thing and fluid ounces and regular ounces.  Come on.  I think we'd adjust if speed limits were 130 kph.

My 2005 car would adjust between mph and kph with the touch of a button and sometimes I'd shift to kph and tell my passenger "We are going a lot faster than it seems looking out" and they glance at the speedo and see 130.



Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 17, 2019, 08:06:03 AM
A few years back, Tigerking flew to Cincinnati to go to a Wisconsin football game, true story.  I gather he thought Wisconsin was like a 2 hour drive away.

We got up Friday early and drove to Chicago to pick up L'il Dawg (I'm on FB with her, she's fine, very), and then to Madison.  Fun times.  Anyway, this was the "SEC speed" incident of course, and we didn't get back to the motel until 3 AM and TK had something like a 5 PM flight back, from CINCINNATI.  So, I get maybe 3 hours sleep and jump in the shower and we're off at around 7 AM or so no time to waste.  Badger had enrolled my car license plates in the free toll thing, which didn't work on the Chicago Skyway apparently, they dinged me later.

So, it's Sunday and we're booking, I-65 through Indiana is flat and featureless, I think some university is there somewhere.  I get tired and tell TK to drive, I guess he never looked at the speedo because I had set it to read kph.  I wake up nearly to Cincy and we made it in time for his flight but it was close.  I presume we were showing some SEC speed in the car as well.  I was asleep.  Supposedly that car had a top end of 147 mph which I never approached of course.

But, I digress ...
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on July 17, 2019, 08:44:41 AM
I think the country would be ok switching to metric for pretty much all measurements.   It would certainly take some time to make the transition and older folks like my parents would remain confused over it, but eventually we'd be able to git r done.

Like CD I actually like the F system for weather temperature, but for me the reason is that it has finer gradients by degree, so each degree between freezing and boiling is almost twice as precise in F than it is in C.  Like anything else, we'd get used to it if we switched, but I still like the finer detail of the F system.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on July 17, 2019, 09:28:12 AM
Some people just don't look at maps.   We hosted a conference at the American Club in Kohler this June.  People either flew to Milwaukee or Ohare. Some dude flew to Green Bay, ok fine.   Reasonable drive for all 3.  This one person flew to Minneapolis and proceeded to make a near 5 hour drive across mostly state highways. 

She admitted later to just guessing it was about a 2 hour drive.  She s like it was a pretty drive, had no idea there were so much forest and lakes in WI.  I don't think the metric system would help her.   Made me wonder how often people make those errors in selecting an airport.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 17, 2019, 09:53:47 AM
I'd welcome the metric system. It makes sense. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 17, 2019, 10:10:24 AM
I've always been good with maps, but for the folks that are not......... google maps has had to save tons of time and headaches
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 17, 2019, 10:51:33 AM
I'm big on natural selection. 

Too bad that woman didn't get out of her car to pet a bear on the way to Kohler.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 17, 2019, 01:33:34 PM
https://www.cfb51-line.com/2019/07/01/cfb51-2019-pre-season-130-teams-ranked-countdown-style/ (https://www.cfb51-line.com/2019/07/01/cfb51-2019-pre-season-130-teams-ranked-countdown-style/)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c33q87s03h4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c33q87s03h4)

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on July 17, 2019, 08:48:32 PM
https://youtu.be/LML0zBLIO-k (https://youtu.be/LML0zBLIO-k)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on July 17, 2019, 08:58:30 PM
bewwwwwbs
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on July 17, 2019, 09:03:40 PM
I'd welcome the metric system. It makes sense.
This is the biggest argument the US will never accept it.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 19, 2019, 10:31:31 AM
https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/future-cars/a28433801/c8-corvette-mid-engine-engineering-design-interview/?fbclid=IwAR2f39KSLCrJjAd6R8ieGMp-ymElF0DnPwJCKqaq1Ji9z7bZvB8dbLlbHpI (https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/future-cars/a28433801/c8-corvette-mid-engine-engineering-design-interview/?fbclid=IwAR2f39KSLCrJjAd6R8ieGMp-ymElF0DnPwJCKqaq1Ji9z7bZvB8dbLlbHpI)

The new Vette has been revealed.  Looks good to me.  Still using the basic pushrod engine.

No manual available any more.  DCT.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 19, 2019, 10:34:17 AM
hopefully, thousands of the C8 will be rolling into dealerships soon

I'd like the C6 used market to be flooded to drive down prices
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 19, 2019, 02:02:14 PM
It will take a while for the pipeline to fill and the first models for a while will be decked out and selling above list.

I'm initially impressed with it personally given they retained the same base engine slightly hyped.

And the price point is good.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on July 20, 2019, 12:56:59 AM
What's with Chevy and the 1950s engine architecture?  Is it going to have drum brakes as well?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 20, 2019, 07:06:49 AM
What's with Chevy and the 1950s engine architecture?  Is it going to have drum brakes as well?

It is interesting.  The advantage is lower center of gravity and shorter engine height.  The disadvantages appear to have been largely engineered around.  The 6.2 L has  had variable valve timing for a while now for example.  There is speculation that the hotter models will have a smaller DOHC engine blown.

The C& variant had a 638 hp version and a 740 hp version that was no faster, they couldn't get power to the ground, so they knew to get more performance they had to go midengine.  The fastest cars today all have all wheel drive.  I presume they will market a more track ready version in a year or so.  The other interesting feature is this car has gained almost 300 pounds over the C7.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 20, 2019, 08:22:38 AM
nothing wrong with the 6.2 except that it probably weighs more than other 4 L engines

I am surprised that the C8 would weigh more than the C7

the C8 might not have as much storage space for my golf clubs
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 20, 2019, 08:32:45 AM
The C8 has less storage space, supposedly two golf bags still fit.  The increased weight might be in part due to meeting frontal impact requirements without an engine up there.  They supposedly put most of the stiffening into the center of the car where the driveshaft would normally be.  They had to deal with shifting the passenger compartment forward while leaving room for one's feet.  Apparently this is why no three pedal variant will be offered, no room for the clutch pedal.  The exotics are all DCTs now without exception I think.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 20, 2019, 08:35:57 AM
with no engine in front of your feet there should be ample room.  No need for a manual clutch because no human can out perform the DCTs
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 20, 2019, 08:50:51 AM
with no engine in front of your feet there should be ample room.  No need for a manual clutch because no human can out perform the DCTs

When you shift the passenger compartment forward, you run into the front wheel wells.  The manual has always been an option for a certain kind of driver, in high performance cars it is not for performance, as you note.  Cars that can hit 60 mph in ~5 seconds or less are faster with automatics, even the regular ones.  The C7 had a manual option.  The very first Vette was auto only, a 2 speed transmission.

My GTI is a bit faster with the manual, but it obviously is not an ultra high performance car and it's FWD.  It's the first FWD car I've drive for any period of time where I can't tell almost immediately it is FWD.  

I don't mind the manual even in traffic, but I noticed we only have 8500 miles on it after 14 months.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 20, 2019, 09:02:03 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/tdQg6Gz.png)

https://jalopnik.com/heres-a-detailed-look-at-the-2020-corvette-c8s-impressi-1836540969 (https://jalopnik.com/heres-a-detailed-look-at-the-2020-corvette-c8s-impressi-1836540969)

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 20, 2019, 09:05:22 AM
dern fat front tires

I might seem odd at first but perhaps they could angle the seats towards the middle of the car to get the feet more room?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 20, 2019, 09:21:24 AM
Yeah, they could, I expect drivers wouldn't like that.  It's an issue for all rear engine cars unless they just let them get long.

I guess they are going after Ferrari level performance and the manual doesn't add anything to that.  Manuals are dying off as it is, so I guess they just stuck a fork in it, it won't cost them many sales.  Try to find a Ferrari or Lambo with a manual..

https://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/porsche-isn-t-getting-rid-of-manual-transmissions-yet-ar182932.html (https://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/porsche-isn-t-getting-rid-of-manual-transmissions-yet-ar182932.html)

Porsche wanted to ditch the manual.  Their fans wanted it back.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a32889/when-it-comes-to-manual-transmissions-porsche-is-crazy/ (https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a32889/when-it-comes-to-manual-transmissions-porsche-is-crazy/)

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on July 20, 2019, 12:55:10 PM
I love the idea of manuals, and I love the 6-speed on my Boss 302 Mustang.  Except on rare occasions when I don't.

As for angling the driving position, it has been done.

For example, Carroll Shelby angled the driving position outward to clear the transmission in the 427 Cobra.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 20, 2019, 01:05:01 PM
These days it's about bragging rights on stats, quarter mile times, Nurburgring lap times, etc.

We once had a rental car in France with a DCT that was almost undriveable.  Puegot I think it was.  It would not ease forward.  I banged the front and the back on some stone walls.  The wife had rented it for work and took insurance so it didn't matter.

Don't rent from Hertz in Paris.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 21, 2019, 09:43:54 AM
the C8 is a bit longer and wider than the C7, some of the added weight
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on July 21, 2019, 10:15:23 AM
The C7 is already very wide.  From the front or rear, in traffic, it looks like it has the proportions of a rolling book.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 21, 2019, 10:35:41 AM
The rear design has been criticized by some, but that always happens I think.  They took some design elements from this car with the C7 and 8 I think, not a bad model IMHO.

(https://i.imgur.com/GclXLKG.png)

Ferrari 458 Italia Spyder, probably the prettiest car ever IMHO.

(https://i.imgur.com/zR8VAtR.png)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 21, 2019, 10:37:20 AM
Ferrari?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 21, 2019, 10:44:27 AM
Power in the 458 comes from a 4.5L V8 engine mounted mid-ship, and makes an impressive 570 horsepower and 398 lb-feet of torque in standard guise. In the Speciale, it makes 597 hp. The only transmission choice is a 7-speed double-clutch transmission, connected to the rear wheels via a limited-slip differential. The suspension is of the active, self-leveling variety.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on July 21, 2019, 10:48:13 AM
That C8 looks a bit garish to me.  Of course, I thought that the C7 and the last two iterations of the Camaro have looked garish.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 21, 2019, 10:59:45 AM
The side air scoops are a bit much to my eyes, but they had to plan for some means of cooling and intake for the Z06 and later performance models to come.  Dealing with heat has to be one of the primary challenges in this especially with a supercharged engine (to come).  "Supercars" often look a bit garish though.  They want them to stand out usually.  The Lambo Countach was an example.

We were going through tires (and one wheel) in the wife's old CTS like crazy, we had 6 tires replaces, two of which were shredded because they were run flats and 35 profile.  A slight pothole or pavement defect could ruin a tire on that car.  That was more than annoying and caused me to trade the car earlier than I would have otherwise.  These sports cars must be even worse.

Hint: Do NOT buy low profile (35) run flat tires with large rims (19" and up).

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on July 21, 2019, 06:09:14 PM
The 570-hp Ferrari 458 Italia Spyder doesn't have side scoops at all.  Maybe it has a radiator in the front and takes in air for the engine on top behind the passenger compartment.

A lot of what I find ugly in current auto styling is the front end.  The "faces" no longer look attractive at all.

I'm thinking of Lexuses (Lexi?) with the grills that get wider as they go down, and then don't have any trim element at the bottom.  That look is like a face with its lower jaw shot off.

The Ferrari 458 has a pretty face.  The face of the Corvette C8 has many lines going in several different directions, for no apparent reason.  I do not believe that it is all about airflow.  Think of the face of a Jaguar E-Type, or a '63-67 Corvette.  Much nicer than recent Corvettes, including this C8.

The C8 has a backward-facing air scoop on the hood.  What is that for?  Is it the exhaust for a radiator mounted in the nose, perhaps?

Shelby Mustangs have ugly faces these days, too, with vents, faux vents, deflectors, and splitters arranged unharmoniously, almost if looking ugly is the goal rather than an unintended consequence.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on July 21, 2019, 06:56:23 PM
I'll always be in love with the Ferrari F40.  
(https://i.imgur.com/9C3GVYn.jpg)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on July 21, 2019, 07:11:49 PM
Going back aways, the Ferrari 308 GTS, as driven by Tom Selleck's character in Magnum, P.I., was a very nice-looking car.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9d/Ferrari_308_GTSi_from_Magnum_P.I._%285134036235%29.jpg/1280px-Ferrari_308_GTSi_from_Magnum_P.I._%285134036235%29.jpg)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on July 21, 2019, 07:20:22 PM
Here's one of the Lexi to which I referred, although this one does have a slight trim element below the grill.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9d/2019_Lexus_NX_300h_Takumi_CVT_2.5.jpg/1920px-2019_Lexus_NX_300h_Takumi_CVT_2.5.jpg)

If that ain't a butt-ugly front end, then I don't know butt-ugly.

And the rest of it doesn't look much better.

I find that this is called the "spindle grill," and that Lexus has made the decision to alienate older buyers with taste in favor of luring in younger buyers who have none.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on July 21, 2019, 07:27:27 PM
Audi has some of the same ugly-grill look about it, although the rest of this car is generally harmonious.

(https://i2.wp.com/carsalesbase.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Audi_A6-Geneva_Autoshow-2018-front.jpg?resize=1000%2C417)

Google "car with ugly grill" and you get pictures like this one.

(https://images.carscoops.com/2013/11/Lexus-1.jpg)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on July 21, 2019, 07:33:23 PM
As I mentioned upthread, recent Mustangs have some messed-up faces too.  Look at all these lines going in different directions.

(https://ddb6a72d2feaeca8eb46-183c3b2eaab36bc0f4003ed58203ce4f.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.com/first-2018-mustang-mods_254f6988.jpg)

And none of that except the splitter at the bottom has anything to do with airflow either.  It's all for looks.  Ugly looks.  And the Shelbys are worse.

(https://turn5.scene7.com/is/image/Turn5/397416?$prodpg640x480$)

That's not a Shelby Mustang.  It's a GT with Shelby body parts.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 21, 2019, 07:35:22 PM
Here's one of the Lexi to which I referred, although this one does have a slight trim element below the grill.

[img width=273.429 height=257]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9d/2019_Lexus_NX_300h_Takumi_CVT_2.5.jpg/1920px-2019_Lexus_NX_300h_Takumi_CVT_2.5.jpg[/img]

If that ain't a butt-ugly front end, then I don't know butt-ugly.

And the rest of it doesn't look much better.

I find that this is called the "spindle grill," and that Lexus has made the decision to alienate older buyers with taste in favor of luring in younger buyers who have none.
My wife and I like the grill on our 2017 RX350. The whole design is very angular, but I find it to be quite cohesive and looks great.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 21, 2019, 08:46:00 PM
it's a minivan

who cares about the grill?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on July 22, 2019, 10:01:16 AM
Why did Harbaugh bring up James Hudson's private struggles to ESPNU Friday Night?Harbaugh is a Dweeb for publicly talking about it. When one considers he seems afflicted by the Bogies
No doubt the NCAA is correct in their ruling. Anytime a kid wants immediate transfer eligibility they can just say they were depressed?Still why lambaste Hudson in public over what is a very private matter?This disturbed egret pulls in 7 Million?Sheesh!!!

https://deadspin.com/jim-harbaugh-probably-should-have-waited-a-bit-before-s-1836561855 (https://deadspin.com/jim-harbaugh-probably-should-have-waited-a-bit-before-s-1836561855)

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/university-of-cincinnati/2019/07/19/james-hudson-jim-harbaugh-depression-remarks-cant-serious/1783523001/ (https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/university-of-cincinnati/2019/07/19/james-hudson-jim-harbaugh-depression-remarks-cant-serious/1783523001/)


Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 22, 2019, 10:34:04 AM
Going back aways, the Ferrari 308 GTS, as driven by Tom Selleck's character in Magnum, P.I., was a very nice-looking car.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9d/Ferrari_308_GTSi_from_Magnum_P.I._%285134036235%29.jpg/1280px-Ferrari_308_GTSi_from_Magnum_P.I._%285134036235%29.jpg)
almost as cool as the Torino with the Starsky stripe
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 22, 2019, 10:39:26 AM
I agree on the Lexi being ugly. They really messed up.

And yeah, Harbaugh is an assbag.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 22, 2019, 10:46:04 AM
is that worse than an ass hat?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 22, 2019, 11:28:12 AM
https://www.facebook.com/streetfx/videos/404171123778711/?t=6 (https://www.facebook.com/streetfx/videos/404171123778711/?t=6)

the new Vette
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 22, 2019, 12:43:53 PM
it's a minivan

who cares about the grill?
It's not a minivan. It's not nearly as useful as a minivan!  

I'm actually pro-minivan. They have incredible utility, far more than any "sport utility vehicle". They're nearly perfect vehicles for hauling around families and stuff. Minivans aren't the greatest for towing [you should have a truck or a TRUE SUV for that], but neither are crossovers.

Fun article on minivans: https://jalopnik.com/minivan-sales-are-plummeting-compared-to-suvs-because-w-1835336564 (https://jalopnik.com/minivan-sales-are-plummeting-compared-to-suvs-because-w-1835336564)

As for the RX350: It's a tall sedan. That's all any of these "crossovers" are any more. It's a car chassis, front wheel drive, unibody construction. It's not designed to go off-road, or tow, or carry heavy loads [other than me]. Frankly, if I suggested taking it off-road, my wife would probably stab me anyway. It seats 4 mildly comfortably; I wouldn't want to have 5 in there. It doesn't even offer a particularly large cargo area; more than a typical sedan but not that much more than a good hatchback and probably less than a wagon due to the slope of the rear window. All it really has over a sedan is the higher seating position, which my wife prefers over her previous car (BMW 3-series) for visibility, and which I prefer for easier ingress/egress as a tall person.

Please don't insult minivans by suggesting that a Lexus RX350 is one of them. 

I still think it's a sexy looking car, though. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on July 22, 2019, 01:00:36 PM
The headroom sucks in these crossovers as they try to keep up w fuel mandates.   

As a tall dude you gotta appreciate that.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 22, 2019, 01:06:28 PM
As you probably know.. I'm not a fan of mini vans, SUVs, crossovers

I'm old, I like cars, sedan or coupe.  I also like trucks.  The in between stuff seems like it's trying to be something, but not sure what.

I understand that folks like to sit up a bit higher for better sight, but that just raises center of gravity, and causes problems with aerodynamics.

Unfortunately, since the vast majority like these high sitting vehicles for storage and visibility and all-wheel drive in these parts the automakers aren't making full size sedans any longer.  I large sedan with a large trunk can have better storage space than a small crossover. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 22, 2019, 01:16:53 PM
The headroom sucks in these crossovers as they try to keep up w fuel mandates. 

As a tall dude you gotta appreciate that.
Completely. When we looked at the RX, we also looked at the NX. Because that vehicle isn't the family hauler, my wife could have gotten by with the smaller NX. But I couldn't fit in it. Frankly, to me the driver's seat position in the RX is still a bit cramped.

As I've mentioned, I'm actually a fan of minivans. When I was still married to my ex, we had an Odyssey, largely because I pushed her away from the SUV. It is a superb vehicle.

After getting divorced, I still had my Jeep Wrangler (2 door), which could only carry 4 people. And I met my now wife, who drove a BMW 3-series sedan, which technically holds 5 [but not really]. I knew I needed a family hauler, something big enough for two adults, 3 kids, a dog [or two, although we don't have the dog yet], comfortably, on a road trip. And I knew that given my stature, my two boys are going to grow tall, and the idea was to have that vehicle until at least one of them went to college. So I knew I needed a truly functional 3rd row seat, not one that was put in as an afterthought to claim 7-passenger seating.

I was considering minivans. But only having the kids 40% of the time, I wanted something a little more suited to me than a minivan. But most crossovers were trash. None of them actually had a functional third row seat that anyone older than 10 could crawl into much less sit in. And with the rooflines, they all felt cramped. The 3-row versions basically gave up on cargo room to have three seats. By trying to look like an SUV [and in the service of fuel economy goals] they ended up with poor utility anyway. 

I ended up with the ultimate "uncool dad who thinks he's still cool" car: the Ford Flex. It's basically the car equivalent of white New Balance sneakers and cargo shorts. And I love the thing. It's like driving a La-Z-Boy down the road. And because it's slab-sided without the aggressively sloped A/B/C pillars, inside it doesn't feel like it's encroaching on my head and shoulders while I'm driving. The rear seats are incredibly roomy and comfortable, and the third row is actually functional for normal-sized human beings, which obviously excludes me. And because it's essentially shaped like a squat van, the cargo area in the back is massive.

It's not quite as a spacious as a minivan, but it's more comfortable for me as a daily driver. 

So I avoided the minivan, by getting a large station wagon. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 22, 2019, 01:29:21 PM
Don't get a dog.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 22, 2019, 01:34:47 PM
As you probably know.. I'm not a fan of mini vans, SUVs, crossovers

I'm old, I like cars, sedan or coupe.  I also like trucks.  The in between stuff seems like it's trying to be something, but not sure what.

I understand that folks like to sit up a bit higher for better sight, but that just raises center of gravity, and causes problems with aerodynamics.

Unfortunately, since the vast majority like these high sitting vehicles for storage and visibility and all-wheel drive in these parts the automakers aren't making full size sedans any longer.  I large sedan with a large trunk can have better storage space than a small crossover.
Agree with you completely on the "in between stuff". 

I don't consider a minivan to be an "in between" vehicle though. They're pretty clear about what they are and what their purpose is. And they're incredbly adept at fulfilling that purpose.

Kinda similar to the Jeep Wrangler. The other Jeep SUVs are trying to be compromises between off-road capability and on-road civility. The Wrangler isn't. It is what it's advertised to be; a capable off-roader that you can live with on-road if you're willing to give up comfort, as smooth ride, gas mileage, etc. It's not in between.

My only problems with sedans and trucks are twofold:


When the kids move on, I actually think the ideal vehicle for me would be what I had before kids: a light truck. I had a Ford Ranger for 10 years, and it was great. Having a truck around the house is convenient. I don't need a full-size, because it wouldn't be used for heavy duty work. Which is good because the light trucks get better gas mileage, are smaller and easier to park, but still offer great utility. I was VERY excited when they re-introduced the Ranger. I'd snap up another one of those in a heartbeat. 

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 22, 2019, 01:42:07 PM
Minivans were very practical for me until my kids got grown.  The sliding door was a major asset, as was the room in the back.

They don't drive worth spit.  The hatchback is a good design for me now.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 22, 2019, 01:58:24 PM
the sedans of the 80s and 90s were large enough for big guys and their families

even a couple dogs

not today

the Implala was a mid sized sedan by my definition and they don't make it any longer
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 22, 2019, 02:21:00 PM
I think we're going to be getting a Cayenne in the not-to-distant future.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 22, 2019, 02:45:12 PM
why not the Mercedes?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 22, 2019, 02:58:06 PM
I really liked the Porsche's that I had in the past and would like to have one more in my lifetime. The Cayenne fits the bill. The cars are too low for me these days, with the back and all that.

We'll see. We were just talking about it last night.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 22, 2019, 03:08:00 PM
they sound great on the commercial - the exhaust note
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 22, 2019, 03:15:49 PM
I was a bit miffed to see SUV Porsches, but then everyone did it so I survived.

I was in Kroger today and took a very quick peak at the various CFB preseason mags.  Boring.  

The wife bought an Instapot thing a while back and used it once, so I decided as we have it I'd use it to make beef stew with chuck roast.  Turned out quite well.

I got two nice looking bone in pork chops for tonight.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on July 22, 2019, 03:24:50 PM
I saw the Rolls Royce SUV Friday night at the restaurant I was frequenting.   Beautiful,  but why?

Don't answer that.


Suicide doors were cool. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 22, 2019, 03:29:31 PM
Suicide doors were cool.
absolutely
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 22, 2019, 03:33:12 PM
Anybody know what brand this one is?

(https://i.imgur.com/x04RwrV.png)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 22, 2019, 03:34:40 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/tkOqKdw.png)

I got this as a loaner once.  It was not fun to drive at all.  The wife liked sitting up high though.  That was pretty much all she cared about.

At least the brand is clear cut.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 22, 2019, 03:38:49 PM
Anybody know what brand this one is?

(https://i.imgur.com/x04RwrV.png)
Lamborghini Urus
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 22, 2019, 03:42:23 PM
Anybody know what brand this one is?

(https://i.imgur.com/x04RwrV.png)
I can't tell.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 22, 2019, 03:46:59 PM
Yeah, if Lambo does an SUV, anyone can.  Whatever.  Makes no sense to me other than profit.

Land Rover makes a nice SUV that has always been an SUV.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on July 22, 2019, 03:57:53 PM
Why did Harbaugh bring up James Hudson's private struggles to ESPNU Friday Night?Harbaugh is a Dweeb for publicly talking about it. When one considers he seems afflicted by the Bogies
No doubt the NCAA is correct in their ruling. Anytime a kid wants immediate transfer eligibility they can just say they were depressed?Still why lambaste Hudson in public over what is a very private matter?This disturbed egret pulls in 7 Million?Sheesh!!!

https://deadspin.com/jim-harbaugh-probably-should-have-waited-a-bit-before-s-1836561855 (https://deadspin.com/jim-harbaugh-probably-should-have-waited-a-bit-before-s-1836561855)

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/university-of-cincinnati/2019/07/19/james-hudson-jim-harbaugh-depression-remarks-cant-serious/1783523001/ (https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/university-of-cincinnati/2019/07/19/james-hudson-jim-harbaugh-depression-remarks-cant-serious/1783523001/)



To be clear, Harbaugh botched this. But not for the reason some outlets are claiming. Harbaugh didn't say that Hudson was lying. Reread the quotes. He didn't even imply it. Instead he said that, because psychiatric diseases are not as easily proven as musculoskeletal diseases, a hypothetical player could theoretically lie about having one of these and use that to seek immediate playing time after a transfer.

Having said that, even though he was talking hypothetically, and even though that is technically better than saying a specific player lied about a specific disease, this was still hamhanded and unfortunate. The worst part is how it obscures Harbaugh's larger point from media days (which was a good one): Let every player have one free (immediate eligibility) transfer no matter what. If that player transfers again, *then* force them to sit out a year -- again, no matter what. He'd have been way better off to just leave it there, since that has consensus support and - on its own - eliminates the issue of a player lying to get immediate eligibility, since they'd have it without lying too.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on July 22, 2019, 04:18:39 PM
No reason what so ever to even bring it up.It was water over the fallsThere is a link in there with his mom,I understand why the NCAA ruled but c'mon take the high road and cut him loose or just STFU.Resembles a dick move from 2-3 yrs ago.And Jim had no problem when Hugh Freeze shit the bed making  Shea Patterson appear in his lap simultaneously
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 22, 2019, 04:26:55 PM
The wife bought an Instapot thing a while back and used it once, so I decided as we have it I'd use it to make beef stew with chuck roast.  Turned out quite well.

I got two nice looking bone in pork chops for tonight.
Very nice. I've been deep frying things lately. 

Last night we cooked a tomahawk ribeye from Costco, a caprese salad, and shoestring fried onions. I think deep frying is going to continue...
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on July 22, 2019, 04:32:41 PM
i'd never used the term 'sexy' for a car before seeing one of these in person in Doha, Qatar, and then getting to take a very fast ride in one.  i'm a 'car' guy and i never used that term until that day as descriptor for a vehicle. 

(https://cdn04.carsforsale.com/3/1025967/29644469/thumb/1359209959.jpg)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on July 22, 2019, 04:36:04 PM
A Ribeye?To each his own pilgrim,salt it ahead of time,day or two,oil it.onto the indirect zone over med- high heat finish over the hot zone.Nice evenly cooked
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on July 22, 2019, 04:42:44 PM
No reason what so ever to even bring it up.It was water over the fallsThere is a link in there with his mom,I understand why the NCAA ruled but c'mon take the high road and cut him loose or just STFU.Resembles a dick move from 2-3 yrs ago.And Jim had no problem when Hugh Freeze shit the bed making  Shea Patterson appear in his lap simultaneously
Harbaugh made the mistake of leaving his main talking point: That every player should be able to transfer with immediate eligibility one time. Doing that would solve NCAA inconsistency re: transfer eligibility.

Harbaugh doesn't have a beef with Hudson. He handled it poorly and now people think he does. He also wasn't claiming that Hudson lied. He clearly thought that imagining a different person in Hudson's shoes was an inoccuous way of accentuating his main point. It was clumsy. And the world keeps spinning.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on July 22, 2019, 05:00:34 PM
As far as I know Hudson was the only M player in transfer portal sighting Depression/Emotional issues - strange parallel.The kid had a hard time talking about it so why bring it up and draw analogies?It's clear who the object of discussion was
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 22, 2019, 05:02:01 PM
and Harbaugh keeps having clumsy things come out of his mouth when there are microphones near
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on July 22, 2019, 05:03:04 PM
Yup his mouth keeps falling down the stairs
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 22, 2019, 05:04:42 PM
i'd never used the term 'sexy' for a car before seeing one of these in person in Doha, Qatar, and then getting to take a very fast ride in one.  i'm a 'car' guy and i never used that term until that day as descriptor for a vehicle.


(https://i.redd.it/n9ir8f08qfu01.jpg)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on July 22, 2019, 05:06:23 PM
Clark stop it!
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Kris60 on July 22, 2019, 05:20:14 PM
Christie Brinkley could play that role just as convincingly today as she did, what, 35 years ago or so?  Still a smoke show in her 60’s.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on July 22, 2019, 05:23:41 PM
As far as I know Hudson was the only M player in transfer portal sighting Depression/Emotional issues - strange parallel.The kid had a hard time talking about it so why bring it up and draw analogies?It's clear who the object of discussion was
I didn't say Harbaugh brought him up by mistake. He did it on purpose. I just said that Harbaugh never claimed James lied. This is the structure of Harbaugh's argument:

(1) The NCAA transfer eligibility system is inconsistent and broken
(2) Let's just give every incoming freshman one free transfer with immediate eligibility, if that's what he wants
(3) Otherwise, we'll keep having situations where some kids, like Paterson and Fields, get immediate eligibility and others don't
(4) And that incentivizes kids to lie and game the system
(5) For example, remember James Hudson. He transfered with clinical depression.
(6) In an inconsistent system, that's something that might affect someone's eligibility
(7) We can imagine a person lying about that or something else, hoping it will impact the NCAA's immediate eligibility decision

It's not that it's an incorrect perspective. It's just not a point worth saying out loud because it has to be done artfully to avoid people from thinking you've just made an accusation against Hudson. And Harbaugh didn't pick his words well enough to avoid that quagmire. That's what makes it clumsy.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on July 22, 2019, 05:30:20 PM
It'd be like if I said:

The opioid epidemic is just a mess. It's difficult for a doctor to evaluate another person's level of pain. And our current system means that some patients are incentivized to lie. Take Jonathan Fakeperson, for example. I just prescribed him a month's worth. Imagine if a future patient like Jonathan Fakeperson were lying. That's not an easy thing to seek out and prevent. We need a new system.

It's pretty dumb. (And in this case I'd lose my license for specifying J-Fakeperson by name.) But it doesn't mean I'm actually accusing Jonathan Fakeperson of lying.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on July 22, 2019, 05:55:58 PM
This from the OZone's Tony Gerdman

On Friday, Michigan head coach Jim Harbaugh said that college football transfers lie about having mental health issues in order to be granted immediate eligibility.
Speaking with former Wolverine offensive lineman Jon Jansen and former Ohio State linebacker AJ Hawk on ESPNU Radio on SiriusXM during day two of Big Ten Media Days, Harbaugh was asked about his preference to allow a one-time free pass to any college football player who wants to transfer.
He explained his reasoning, but then took things in a new direction by saying that players lie about depression and the like.Harbaugh’s stance is one that does nothing to advance the understanding of a subject that he says he cares very deeply about.


And does this help anybody in Michigan’s program who is dealing with his own mental wellness issue? Does a player see Harbaugh’s comments and still see an advocate, or do they see one more person who won’t understand?
Does a claim of mental health inside Michigan’s football department immediately get met with doubt?
If so, maybe that’s why James Hudson never brought it up.

There isn’t a lack of compassion from Harbaugh, simply a lack of understanding.

He needs to realize that this isn’t about catching the liars, it’s about helping those who haven’t even spoken out yet.


Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on July 22, 2019, 06:08:47 PM
You just copied and pasted a lot of words ... and not even one of them was a quoted word from Harbaugh.

It's better to use source info than long editorials about the source info.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on July 22, 2019, 06:09:33 PM
Here's the quote:

[Harbaugh] “The youngster that says ‘Okay. This is a mental health issue. I’m suffering from depression.’ Or that’s a reason that they’re getting eligible. And once that’s known that you’re [getting eligible], ‘Hey, just say this. Or say that.’ And then to get eligible, the problem I see in that is that you’re going to have guys that are ‘Okay, Yeah I’m depressed.'”

[Host] “They’re going to say what they gotta say.”

[Harbaugh] “They’re going to say what they gotta say. But then, down the road, I don’t see that helping them if it’s not a legitimate thing. And nobody would know. But what are you going to say like 10 years down, ‘Oh, I just said what I had to say.’ And I think you’re putting them in a position that’s unfair, not right, and as you said it John, “You’re saying it just to say it.” And that’s not truthful. That’s not necessarily truthful. And that’s not something we should be promoting at the college level. Telling the truth matters. Probably the number one thing that you need to do, especially at a college, is you can’t have experiments that aren’t truthful. You can’t lie about experiments. You can’t lie about equations. You shouldn’t be lying in football and that’s a message we should be teaching.”
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on July 22, 2019, 06:15:05 PM
He never mentions Hudson or references his team, so it's a weird stretch to read it and say "Harbaugh just accused Hudson of lying!"

One of Jim's mistakes was not realizing that he left himself open to have his words twisted. His other mistake was that he'd have been better off just sticking with "automatic eligibility for everyone on their first transfer," which was where this started and one of his main talking points at Media Days.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on July 22, 2019, 06:40:58 PM
You just said "I didn't say Harbaugh brought him up by mistake. He did it on purpose."Well which is it?Nothing weird about it or hardly a stretch just those circling the wagons in damage control and sticking their heads in the sand.Harbaugh's disordered mind drags others into the tempest.There is nothing Harbaugh said friday night that endeared him to an athlete experiencing troubles.Says they should have a get out of jail free card and then turns around and suggest there scamming the system if they do.I'm hardly the only one who read it this very bad way.Valenti on Detroit Radio,Bull & the Fox in Cleveland,Wingo and Golic on ESPN weren't that kind sorry.When he's in a hole he should quit digging
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on July 22, 2019, 06:52:19 PM
You can ding me. I hadn't read the quote until I posted it. So my info wasn't complete. All the more reason to be glad we now have the source material.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on July 22, 2019, 06:57:24 PM
As for the media: Most of the roasting is because there's an echo chamber of incorrect information. Almost every negative article or radio bit seems to start and stop with "Harbaugh accused Hudson of lying." And as the quote shows ... that isn't true.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on July 22, 2019, 06:59:30 PM
You might be mischaracterizing the other part. But that depends on whether I understand what you're saying.



Says they should have a get out of jail free card


This seems accurate of you. He thinks everyone should have one free transfer with immediate eligibility.


then turns around and suggest there scamming the system if they do
You are acting like these two things can't both be true. It's not inconsistent to want a future system with a get out of jail free card and also think the present system can be scammed.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 22, 2019, 07:07:52 PM
A Ribeye?To each his own pilgrim,salt it ahead of time,day or two,oil it.onto the indirect zone over med- high heat finish over the hot zone.Nice evenly cooked
Damn right. The only thing I didn't do was salt in advance. I put a little worcestershire on it to help the salt and pepper adhere, hit it with salt & pepper, and put it on indirect. When it was almost up to temp, I pulled it off and wrapped in foil while I let the grill get screaming hot, and seared.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 22, 2019, 07:12:34 PM
You might be mischaracterizing the other part. But that depends on whether I understand what you're saying.

This seems accurate of you. He thinks everyone should have one free transfer with immediate eligibility.

You are acting like these two things can't both be true. It's not inconsistent to want a future system with a get out of jail free card and also think the present system can be scammed.

I think what Harbaugh is suggesting is that you shouldn't make them spend a year in transfer jail. 

The concern is that claiming depression, or racism as in the Fields transfer from Georgia, becomes a "get out of jail free card" because the jail still exists and this is an extremely easily-navigated and hard-to-adjudicate loophole. After all, the minute the NCAA makes players get evaluated by a psychiatrist for claiming depression they'll get skewered for blaming the victim.

It's like when medical marijuana was the only legal marijuana in California. Marijuana possession would get you in trouble with the law unless you carried a "get out of jail free card", i.e. your medical marijuana card. And getting one of those was TRIVIALLY easy. Most of the people that had them didn't have legitimate medical need; they just wanted to get high. But they still managed to get the card. 

What Harbaugh is suggesting is akin to when California recently fully legalized marijuana even for recreational use. Now there's no need for a "get out of jail free card" because there's no legal penalty to using/possessing marijuana.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on July 22, 2019, 07:12:47 PM
You might be mischaracterizing the other part. But that depends on whether I understand what you're saying.



This seems accurate of you. He thinks everyone should have one free transfer with immediate eligibility.
You are acting like these two things can't both be true. It's not inconsistent to want a future system with a get out of jail free card and also think the present system can be scammed.

Oh Harbaugh talking out of both sides of his mouth while contradicting himself are both true and that's exactly what everyone's harping on - you're trying to make chicken salad out of chicken shit.Good points Bwarb,but you know if you have a Knee/Hip/Shoulder/Ankle injury - how do you prove the other.My points are he should not have brought that up with his inferences not even remotely cloaked - why bring it up?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on July 22, 2019, 07:20:18 PM
Damn right. The only thing I didn't do was salt in advance. I put a little worcestershire on it to help the salt and pepper adhere, hit it with salt & pepper, and put it on indirect. When it was almost up to temp, I pulled it off and wrapped in foil while I let the grill get screaming hot, and seared.
Damn I might even try a an IPA with that....if there's not a warm Pabst available
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on July 22, 2019, 07:25:02 PM
Oh Harbaugh talking out of both sides of his mouth while contradicting himself are both true and that's exactly what everyone's harping on - you're trying to make chicken salad out of chicken shit.Good points Bwarb,but you know if you have a Knee/Hip/Shoulder/Ankle injury - how do you prove the other.My points are he should not have brought that up with his inferences not even remotely cloaked - why bring it up?
From what I've seen almost every author with a negative take on this is harping because they think Harbaugh accused Hudson of lying. But he didn't. I put the whole radio quote in this thread. So we know he didn't. Jim didn't even mention James Hudson or his team once. 

The only author I've seen who has harped on Harbaugh for this without mistakenly saying Harbaugh accused Hudson of lying is John U. Bacon, who was bummed that he artlessly tackled the depression issue in general. (...) Which has also been my take.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 22, 2019, 07:26:55 PM
Good points Bwarb,but you know if you have a Knee/Hip/Shoulder/Ankle injury - how do you prove the other.My points are he should not have brought that up with his inferences not even remotely cloaked - why bring it up?
I completely agree. It's dangerous to bring it up at the same time you have a player transferring and trying to get immediate eligibility just invites people to draw a parallel, even if his statement wasn't intended to suggest anything negative about Hudson.

I'm not defending Harbaugh bringing it up, I just saw a minor debate about "get out of jail free cards" and thought that was a tangent that was unnecessarily dissuading from the actual discussion about Harbaugh. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on July 22, 2019, 07:28:40 PM
I think what Harbaugh is suggesting is that you shouldn't make them spend a year in transfer jail.

The concern is that claiming depression, or racism as in the Fields transfer from Georgia, becomes a "get out of jail free card" because the jail still exists and this is an extremely easily-navigated and hard-to-adjudicate loophole. After all, the minute the NCAA makes players get evaluated by a psychiatrist for claiming depression they'll get skewered for blaming the victim.

It's like when medical marijuana was the only legal marijuana in California. Marijuana possession would get you in trouble with the law unless you carried a "get out of jail free card", i.e. your medical marijuana card. And getting one of those was TRIVIALLY easy. Most of the people that had them didn't have legitimate medical need; they just wanted to get high. But they still managed to get the card.

What Harbaugh is suggesting is akin to when California recently fully legalized marijuana even for recreational use. Now there's no need for a "get out of jail free card" because there's no legal penalty to using/possessing marijuana.
This has been my view, too. I see Nubbz just agreed with the general sentiment here. (I think you and I aren't communicating as clearly as we want to, Nubbz.)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MichiFan87 on July 22, 2019, 08:38:24 PM
This is very simple. The media is making it far more controversial than it should be.

To my understanding, every sport except football and basketball allows transfers without sitting out (at least the first time). The fact that this exists in football and basketball seems like the mandatory freshman inegibility rules from the 70s (which apparently weren't in effect for non-revenue sports, but someone can correct me if I'm wrong). I fully support how the transfer portal was implemented and so should immediately eligibility for first-time transfers (much like grad-transfers). I don't understand why this is controversial, especially given the waiver process that has lead to all kinds of inconsistencies....
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on July 22, 2019, 08:59:26 PM
. . . I ended up with the ultimate "uncool dad who thinks he's still cool" car: the Ford Flex. It's basically the car equivalent of white New Balance sneakers and cargo shorts. And I love the thing. It's like driving a La-Z-Boy down the road. And because it's slab-sided without the aggressively sloped A/B/C pillars, inside it doesn't feel like it's encroaching on my head and shoulders while I'm driving. The rear seats are incredibly roomy and comfortable, and the third row is actually functional for normal-sized human beings, which obviously excludes me. And because it's essentially shaped like a squat van, the cargo area in the back is massive.

It's not quite as a spacious as a minivan, but it's more comfortable for me as a daily driver.

So I avoided the minivan, by getting a large station wagon.
I haven't driven one, but I like the Flex.  It's utilitarian, but there's just enough style in it--with the indented panel lines--that it's nice-looking.  And I remember reading good reviews on it when it came out.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 22, 2019, 09:15:25 PM
This is very simple. The media is making it far more controversial than it should be.


ding ding ding, winner
but Harbaugh should be well aware of this and chose his words carefully.  If he can't do that then he shouldn't bring it up. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 22, 2019, 09:20:15 PM
Damn right. The only thing I didn't do was salt in advance. I put a little worcestershire on it to help the salt and pepper adhere, hit it with salt & pepper, and put it on indirect. When it was almost up to temp, I pulled it off and wrapped in foil while I let the grill get screaming hot, and seared.
Searing immediately is thought to help keep the juices in.  I coat my steaks in canola oil to help the salt & pepper adhere and the oil also burns off at a higher temp than the juices.  Helps retain moisture.  After searing I can pull off to indirect to bring to temp without overcooking.

the reverse sear is for presentation
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on July 22, 2019, 09:36:16 PM
ding ding ding, winner
but Harbaugh should be well aware of this and chose his words carefully.  If he can't do that then he shouldn't bring it up.
100% with this
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 23, 2019, 12:47:05 AM
Searing immediately is thought to help keep the juices in.  I coat my steaks in canola oil to help the salt & pepper adhere and the oil also burns off at a higher temp than the juices.  Helps retain moisture.  After searing I can pull off to indirect to bring to temp without overcooking.

the reverse sear is for presentation
https://amazingribs.com/more-technique-and-science/more-cooking-science/myth-searing-steaks-seals-juices

Old wives tale. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 23, 2019, 06:24:13 AM
Great article, thanks.  I think humans like the flavor of burned fat.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on July 23, 2019, 07:44:01 AM
Oh Harbaugh talking out of both sides of his mouth while contradicting himself are both true and that's exactly what everyone's harping on - you're trying to make chicken salad out of chicken shit.Good points Bwarb,but you know if you have a Knee/Hip/Shoulder/Ankle injury - how do you prove the other.My points are he should not have brought that up with his inferences not even remotely cloaked - why bring it up?
Why Jim Harbaugh does anything is a question that will drive you to the edge of madness. 

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 23, 2019, 10:18:25 AM
https://amazingribs.com/more-technique-and-science/more-cooking-science/myth-searing-steaks-seals-juices

Old wives tale.
good to know....


Now I wonder about the oil coating or using butter to tempt to ward off evaporation of moisture
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on July 23, 2019, 10:38:35 AM
HA!Thanx Bwarb coincidentally that article quotes my sources Lopez-Alt/Alton Brown/Test Kitchen,my culinary Holy Trinity
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 23, 2019, 10:53:14 AM
If you've ever grilled a 95% lean hamburger, you know what I mean by liking the taste of fat.  I find 80% is about right for grilling.

The stuff that used to be labeled ground sirloin wasn't of course, unless you ask them to grind some for you.  I have had hamburger made from the ends of beef tenderloin and it is incredible.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 23, 2019, 11:16:13 AM
Rendered fat is delicious. Seared meat is delicious (the old maillard reaction). 

I've taken Amazing Ribs' discussion of hamburgers to heart, and I prefer more fat in a burger than 80/20. For food safety reasons, they suggest that all burgers should actually be cooked to 160 degrees, because grinding meat distributes the pathogens that would normally only exist on the surface throughout the patty. So unlike a steak where cooking the outside makes it safe while the inside can be rare, you have to cook a burger through. Thus you need fat.

My current blend (which I've just run out of and need to re-grind) is brisket point and chuck. The last time I did it, I ground potentially too much fat in, such that the burgers were hard to form and hold together. But they were delicious. If I cut back the fat just a bit, they should be perfect. 

@FearlessF (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=10) I don't think the idea of coating the steak will do it either. The process of cooking meat causes the cells to actually wring moisture out of the cells. It's different than evaporation. So I don't think coating in oil or butter will ward this off. It will make it taste good though. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 23, 2019, 11:31:19 AM
https://www.scienceofcooking.com/maillard_reaction.htm (https://www.scienceofcooking.com/maillard_reaction.htm)

I have not heard that name in a very long time.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 23, 2019, 11:33:02 AM
I think I'll continue with the oil/butter.  It helps the seasoning stick and it could help keep in some juice or possibly just keep the exterior from getting a little too dark.

I'm also a multiple flipper.  Once I see juices forming on top of the steak I flip and try to get those juices flowing back to the top.  Probably doesn't really happen, but it keeps from over cooking one side or the other while getting to the desired internal temp.

I eat dry aged steaks when I can get them so I don't over salt them.  Certainly wouldn't leave in salt over night.  Just pulls out moisture.  The dry aged loses moisture anyway and seem to taste a bit saltier.

A friend of mine likes to apply the kosher salt liberally.  Too salty for my delicate palette 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 23, 2019, 11:38:11 AM
my burger go to is 80/20.

Prefer a more coarse ground.  The really fine ground can sometimes be what CBS referred to as pink slime.

I do purchase the 73/27 when its on sale.

the hot grill with a good sear and melted cheese
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 23, 2019, 12:08:19 PM
I think I'll continue with the oil/butter.  It helps the seasoning stick and it could help keep in some juice or possibly just keep the exterior from getting a little too dark.

I'm also a multiple flipper.  Once I see juices forming on top of the steak I flip and try to get those juices flowing back to the top.  Probably doesn't really happen, but it keeps from over cooking one side or the other while getting to the desired internal temp.

I eat dry aged steaks when I can get them so I don't over salt them.  Certainly wouldn't leave in salt over night.  Just pulls out moisture.  The dry aged loses moisture anyway and seem to taste a bit saltier.

A friend of mine likes to apply the kosher salt liberally.  Too salty for my delicate palette
Agreed on the multiple flipping. For me it depends what I'm doing. Since I typically reverse-sear steak, I'm just looking for a sear at the end, and it doesn't spend a lot of time on the direct side over the heat. But I can tell from the smoke coming off the grill when it's getting close to burning rather than searing, and flip it by then. Sometimes that doesn't create enough color, so I might flip the steak multiple times so each side gets two sears instead of one, as I don't want to char it, I just want a sear. For burgers, I do the opposite. I typically start them direct, so I am flipping a few times until I get the right amount of color, then move them to the indirect side. I usually make big patties, so they don't cook through all that quickly. If I just left them on only one side, that side would burn if I did the "one flip only" method.

The old "one flip only" method is again another old wives tale. There's no science to support that it makes the steak or burger better.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on July 23, 2019, 12:12:08 PM
The best ways to keep meat from losing juice is to prevent overcooking and prevent big tears. Unless one can't flip without tearing, mutliple flipping is only going to help.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 23, 2019, 12:22:56 PM
The best ways to keep meat from losing juice is to prevent overcooking and prevent big tears. Unless one can't flip without tearing, mutliple flipping is only going to help.
However another myth is that you shouldn't use a meat thermometer because poking the meat will result in moisture loss. The amount of moisture lost by checking temperature with an instant-read is so inconsequential that it can be ignored as it relates to the final product.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 23, 2019, 12:33:01 PM


A friend of mine likes to apply the kosher salt liberally.  Too salty for my delicate palette
Kosher salt is in platelet form to exsanguinate meat.  It's isn't any more Kosher than regular salt.  I forget the additive they use, ferricyanide comes to mind for some reason.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 23, 2019, 12:42:01 PM
Cast iron skillet on an 800 degree grill works really well. Did this at the harbor last weekend. Mmmm good.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 23, 2019, 12:56:03 PM
Kosher salt is in platelet form to exsanguinate meat.  It's isn't any more Kosher than regular salt.  I forget the additive they use, ferricyanide comes to mind for some reason.


I had to look it up... Exsanguinate is to drain the blood from an animal. That's not what kosher salt is doing. And additives are typically only anti-caking agents, not an actual additive to change the properties or usage of the salt. 

"Kosher salt" as you point out is not necessarily "kosher". It has basically just become a trade name for coarse salt. I've never heard the term "platelet form" used with salt before, so that one is new to me.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 23, 2019, 01:29:57 PM
Kosher as far as salt I don't know the difference except the coarseness

Kosher doesn't hold much meaning for me.  When working in meat packing they would have a "kosher" shift where the only difference was that the Rabbi blessed the knife that was used to "stick" and bleed the beef.

I suppose there's a Rabbi to bless the process of making the salt.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 23, 2019, 01:35:05 PM
No rabbi blesses kosher salt.  It's not any more kosher in that sense than regular salt.  He is a micrograph showing my point:

(https://i.imgur.com/Z1ShtRH.png)

Rather than cubic crystals, kosher salt has a flat plate-like shape and may also have a hollow pyramidal shape. The flat form is usually made when cubic crystals are forced into this shape under pressure, usually between rollers. The pyramidal salt crystals are generally made by an evaporative process called the Alberger process (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberger_process). This salt is usually manufactured with a grain size larger than table salt grains.[13] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosher_salt#cite_note-saltinstitute-13)

Kosher salt’s original purpose was really to kosher meat, meaning to remove the blood from meat, so it’s really koshering salt. Certain salt companies labeled the boxes of this coarse salt kosher salt rather than koshering salt, and the name stuck.


Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 23, 2019, 01:35:37 PM
The OT tells folks not to eat blood from meat.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on July 23, 2019, 01:35:43 PM
Kosher as far as salt I don't know the difference except the coarseness

Kosher doesn't hold much meaning for me.  When working in meat packing they would have a "kosher" shift where the only difference was that the Rabbi blessed the knife that was used to "stick" and bleed the beef.

I suppose there's a Rabbi to bless the process of making the salt. 
Was the actual slaughter and different? I know the approach is supposed to be cutting one main vein so the cow doesn’t suffer. That said, I don’t know if that’s how you do it for all the animals.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 23, 2019, 01:37:31 PM
What we commonly called kosher salt is actually coarse koshering sea salt, so named because salt of this size is used in koshering meat for adherents of Jewish kashrut (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashrut) (dietary laws). For some reason, the ing on koshering was dropped along the way by a few companies, and the change became the new normal. So in this context, kosher refers to the size of the grain. When you buy kosher salt, you know you’re getting a larger salt grain that is flat or pyramidal.  This is the ideal size of salt grain for koshering meat, as its greater surface area allows it to draw out more blood. 

Koshering meat is a multi-faceted process (https://www.growandbehold.com/index.php?page=Making) that ensures that the protein is fully compliant with kashrut. Once butchering is complete, kosher preparation involves soaking the uncooked meat in water and then coating it in salt to draw the blood, as consuming the lifeblood of the animal is prohibited in Judaism. The salted meat hangs for one hour, and then is washed three times in clean, cold water until no salt remains. Following this, the butcher can dry it and further prepare it for selling.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 23, 2019, 01:47:47 PM
Was the actual slaughter and different? I know the approach is supposed to be cutting one main vein so the cow doesn’t suffer. That said, I don’t know if that’s how you do it for all the animals.
no the actual slaughter was exactly the same

I worked on "kill floors" or slaughter houses that slaughtered beef and pork.  The hogs are shocked with electricity until unconscious and the beef are "knocked" in the head with a metal pin that knocked them unconscious so that neither of them suffer.

The blood letting by cutting the jugular while hanging upside down is to get as much blood as possible out of the carcass for quality of the meat and also to harvest as much of the blood as possible.  It's very valuable.

I'm sure they drain the blood of chickens and goats and other animals as well after knocking them out.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 23, 2019, 01:48:28 PM
Interesting, thanks @Cincydawg (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=870) 

I thought calling it "kosher" was more referring to Jewish tradition of brining and curing meats (such as corned beef and pastrami) rather than actually used in the process of preparing the carcass of meat for butchering. 

Learn something new every day...
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 23, 2019, 01:50:59 PM
What we commonly called kosher salt is actually coarse koshering sea salt, so named because salt of this size is used in koshering meat for adherents of Jewish kashrut (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashrut) (dietary laws). For some reason, the ing on koshering was dropped along the way by a few companies, and the change became the new normal. So in this context, kosher refers to the size of the grain. When you buy kosher salt, you know you’re getting a larger salt grain that is flat or pyramidal.  This is the ideal size of salt grain for koshering meat, as its greater surface area allows it to draw out more blood.

Koshering meat is a multi-faceted process (https://www.growandbehold.com/index.php?page=Making) that ensures that the protein is fully compliant with kashrut. Once butchering is complete, kosher preparation involves soaking the uncooked meat in water and then coating it in salt to draw the blood, as consuming the lifeblood of the animal is prohibited in Judaism. The salted meat hangs for one hour, and then is washed three times in clean, cold water until no salt remains. Following this, the butcher can dry it and further prepare it for selling.

that's great but I doubt sprinkling any amount and any type of salt on a decent sized piece of meat will draw out 100% of the blood.

Might be best to just go vegan 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 23, 2019, 01:55:17 PM
that's great but I doubt sprinkling any amount and any type of salt on a decent sized piece of meat will draw out 100% of the blood.

Might be best to just go vegan
Again, gotta quote Amazing Ribs...

https://amazingribs.com/technique-and-science/cooking-science/basic-meat-science (https://amazingribs.com/technique-and-science/cooking-science/basic-meat-science)

Quote
Most of the liquid in meat is water. The reddish color in meat and its juices is not caused by blood. It is the protein myoglobin dissolved in water. Myoglobin is found only in muscle, not in the blood stream. The blood is pretty much all drained out in the slaughter house. If the stuff on your plate when you sliced a steak was blood, it would be much darker, like human blood, and it would coagulate, like human blood. If the fluids were blood, then pork and chicken would be dark red. It's mostly just water, so let's stop grossing out our kids, and just call it juice. OK? Every time you call meat juices blood, a bell rings and a teenager becomes a vegan. (https://ctt.ec/j84O1)

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 23, 2019, 02:19:51 PM
Other interesting facts are that only primates menstruate and menstrual blood will not clot.  For good reason.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 23, 2019, 02:33:24 PM
Again, gotta quote Amazing Ribs...

https://amazingribs.com/technique-and-science/cooking-science/basic-meat-science (https://amazingribs.com/technique-and-science/cooking-science/basic-meat-science)


so the salt and water rinsing is merely to remove any blood that the meat may have been exposed to at the surface.

Obviously the slaughter tries to get as much blood as possible out of the veins and arteries.  That is why they don't kill the animal before bleeding.  The heart keeps pumping until death.

Also, obvious is the fact that not all the blood is removed from the small veins and arteries.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on July 23, 2019, 06:28:32 PM
Other interesting facts are that only primates menstruate and menstrual blood will not clot.  For good reason.
Seems like as good as place as any to bring this up
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 23, 2019, 07:00:30 PM
The wife was in PT yesterday and I waited in the waiting.  The ladies there other than the wife were talking about how often dogs go into heat and had that confused with the human menstrual cycle.  Obviously, it's very different.

I worked on a technology that found its way into a "feminine hygiene product" so I had to learn about the fluid that was to be absorbed.  I had some interesting lunch time conversations with female coworkers about the topic.  I wonder if today my questions would have gotten me fired.

I did some bizarre things on the job back in the day.  That is why I preferred to stay hidden "in the lab".

We once had a Director who was all about "celebrations".  He concocted elaborate schemes to celebrate birthdays and holidays.  They were having a Winter Soltice party next door in the conference room one December and none of us went.  My boss came into my office very irate and told me I and my "guys" needed to come next door and participate.  You were supposed to have brought some kind of hot dish.  I infer not many participated.

I told my boss we had work to do and couldn't make it.  He was quite annoyed with me.  The Director was a total dufus.  We despised him.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on July 23, 2019, 07:44:58 PM
... blood will not clot ...
I've wondered about this and can't explain the mechanism. I don't recall it coming up in school. I imagine that there's either increased local** activity of something like antithrombin (to prevent fibrin clotting) or of tissue plasminogen activator (to readily dissolve fibrin clots as formed). But there's surprisingly little I could find on the topic after a quick search.

** (I doubt the acitivity of these enzymes would be increased systemically or else this would be too clinically significant to overlook, for example, in terms of dosing premenopausal women in need of anticoagulants)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on July 23, 2019, 08:28:09 PM
As I remember the explanation from somewhere/sometime, menstrual blood has already clotted once.  It won't clot again.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 23, 2019, 08:53:48 PM
Seems like as good as place as any to bring this up
I can't argue with this, but...........
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 23, 2019, 09:11:20 PM
Reverse Marinade: The Grilling Trick You Never Knew About

A little bit of science goes a long way when it comes to grilling delicious meat.


https://www.huffpost.com/entry/reverse-marinade-grilling_l_5d2dd894e4b085eda5a21c60 (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/reverse-marinade-grilling_l_5d2dd894e4b085eda5a21c60)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 23, 2019, 09:15:31 PM
Menstrual fluid is thrombin free.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on July 23, 2019, 10:09:13 PM
👍 That's a good explanation. It also helps me with my google searches.

I'm still not sure how that is accomplished. I generally understand the process of making that fluid as one of adding extra fluids to normal blood. Altogether removing thrombin is much less trivial than that. Off the top of my head, I'm betting on the explanation either being specific proteolysis of thrombin in the uterine cavity or thrombin-stimulated endocytosis by one of the uterine cell types.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 23, 2019, 10:11:45 PM
Reverse Marinade: The Grilling Trick You Never Knew About

A little bit of science goes a long way when it comes to grilling delicious meat.


https://www.huffpost.com/entry/reverse-marinade-grilling_l_5d2dd894e4b085eda5a21c60 (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/reverse-marinade-grilling_l_5d2dd894e4b085eda5a21c60)
I saw that. Reminds me why I don't get my grilling advice from HuffPo. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on July 23, 2019, 10:17:20 PM
Sports gaming scheduled to go live here in Indiana on September 1st.   That's pretty aggressive based on what's known.   The OTB around the corner from my office has been renovating their main bar area for the sports book.  Aside from online wagering for IN residents, they announced the 13 physical locations which will take best.  Mostly casinos, and 3 OTBs.  They released the eligible gaming events, and its pretty broad.  A little annoyed college volleyball not on the list, but college softball is.   

I know the bill kicking around in Illinois won't permit wagering on any events involving colleges located in IL.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 24, 2019, 02:04:23 PM
FYI my post last night about the HuffPo article was mostly short to remind me to give a more complete response.

It's not that the HuffPo article is wrong. It's that it's overly simplified and written in such a way that people who don't know any better are going to start talking about how "reverse marinade" is the big new way to cook without a more significant understanding of why. It's dumbing things down.

A few points:



Beyond those disagreements, the idea itself has merit. It is true (and mentioned in the article) that if you marinate meat, a lot of the flavor of the marinade is lost during the grilling process. And that there are some marinades containing sweet ingredients that can improve the flavor of the meat with caramelization, and for those you want to add them after searing the surface--but you then want to cook them indirect or over lower heat so they caramelize rather than burn. Such as what people do when they sauce ribs on the smoker--cook them indirect or over low-medium heat to caramelize the bbq sauce. If you throw them over high heat you'll burn it. 

But the article reminded me of this article in Thrillist (https://www.thrillist.com/eat/nation/how-to-smoke-meat-beginners-guide). It purports to teach you something, but it doesn't really give you enough information to understand how and why you're truly doing what you're doing, but gives you a fancy name like "reverse marinade" to make you sound savvy.



Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on July 24, 2019, 02:07:37 PM
Agreed on the multiple flipping. For me it depends what I'm doing.

The old "one flip only" method is again another old wives tale. There's no science to support that it makes the steak or burger better.
Lopez-Alt from Serious Eats recommends our indirect method for steaks.But if you prefer direct fire he recommends frequent flipping.Also pulling chicken breast at 150 deg not FDA's 165.Always comes out tender/juicy
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 24, 2019, 02:12:19 PM
When I make things like sauerbraten, I always sear the meat before it goes into the marinade. Alton Brown once said that marinade penetrates seared meat better than it does raw meat. I don't know (or care) how this works, but I found it interesting.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on July 24, 2019, 02:13:40 PM
That sounds good
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 24, 2019, 02:23:13 PM
When I make things like sauerbraten, I always sear the meat before it goes into the marinade. Alton Brown once said that marinade penetrates seared meat better than it does raw meat. I don't know (or care) how this works, but I found it interesting.
I suspect it's that the marinade with either impede searing or will burn when you try to sear it. And yet you want both the flavor contribution of searing as well as the flavor contribution of the marinade. 

So you sear first and then marinade, and you get both. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 24, 2019, 02:48:52 PM
FYI my post last night about the HuffPo article was mostly short to remind me to give a more complete response.

It's not that the HuffPo article is wrong. It's that it's overly simplified and written in such a way that people who don't know any better are going to start talking about how "reverse marinade" is the big new way to cook without a more significant understanding of why. It's dumbing things down.
We're all used to reading between the lines and interpreting writer's shortcomings when reading these articles that we may know the subject better than the writer.

this goes for all subjects, not just food and football 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on July 24, 2019, 10:32:47 PM
I tend to pull food well below the FDA's approved temps.  I like to walk on the wild side.

My dad always wants to know why my smoked porked tenderloin turns out so great.  It's because I pull it at 140 and let it rest/residual cook, typically up to about 145.  For decades the FDA-approved temp for pork was 160, they recently lowered to pull at 145 and then allow rest, but after the residual cook that still takes it up to the point where it can become dry.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on July 24, 2019, 10:37:24 PM
Oh and yes-- sugary marinades/rubs over high heat burn.  They're good for slow/indirect, which is why you see so much brown sugar/molasses/honey in rubs and marinades for BBQ (typically pork not beef).  But over direct flame/high heat the sugars burn and taste bad.  Don't do that.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 25, 2019, 12:01:16 AM
I tend to pull food well below the FDA's approved temps.  I like to walk on the wild side.

My dad always wants to know why my smoked porked tenderloin turns out so great.  It's because I pull it at 140 and let it rest/residual cook, typically up to about 145.  For decades the FDA-approved temp for pork was 160, they recently lowered to pull at 145 and then allow rest, but after the residual cook that still takes it up to the point where it can become dry.


:72:
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Hawkinole on July 25, 2019, 12:44:09 AM
I had some interesting lunch time conversations with female coworkers about the topic.  I wonder if today my questions would have gotten me fired.

I did some bizarre things on the job back in the day
I don't know you, but yes. We have much different jobs. But, today, isn't yesterday. And old people like us need to adjust, I guess.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 25, 2019, 08:24:32 AM
My lunch conversations were technical on both sides.  I needed to understand some things.  We had something called artificial menstrual fluid that we used in testing and the lady told me it wasn't realistic at all.  We had artificial urine for testing absorbents for diapers that was pretty representative of babies under the age of about 1.

Baby urine is simpler stuff.  I was told we had no good way of assessing a potential absorbent in the lab.  Bummer.  At the time, I could only make small lab samples of our potential absorbent material.  Those were the days.

I was asked to talk to a Section Manager about a job in Fem Care, which I said I didn't want.  So, then the Associate Director wanted to talk to me, I said the same thing, happy where I am.  Then the Director called me to have lunch.  Uh oh.  Same story, I told him I was not interested, at all.  He said he would discuss it with the other managers, OK whatever.

Two weeks later I read my transfer announcement on email sent to the entire division.  I was PISSED.  They were scared to tell me face to face.  My reaction probably did my career no good, I should have just gone along with it like a good little boy but I made a stink.  Then, I discovered they had nothing for me to do in Fem Care, at all.  Not a thing.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on July 25, 2019, 08:31:11 AM
I worked on a technology that found its way into a "feminine hygiene product" so I had to learn about the fluid that was to be absorbed.  I had some interesting lunch time conversations with female coworkers about the topic.  I wonder if today my questions would have gotten me fired.

About menstrual blood clotting with Wimenz?We've had some doozies around the water cooler back in the day but that'd make a biker blush.Doesn't work real well when meat marinade is the topic either
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 25, 2019, 09:31:36 AM
Menstrual fluid is very hard to model because it varies over time and by individual, viscosity changes a lot.  The absorbent I had to work with had a high level of CaCl2 in it for process reasons and I had to get rid of that because it is a "clotting agent" in effect.  It's akin to the styptic pencil folks used to use on shaving cuts.

AlCl3.

Burns like an SOB.

It turned into an interesting project even though managers kept telling me to drop it.  It's now in a commercial product out there.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on July 25, 2019, 10:14:08 AM
Thanx for keeping us updated on that,secretly we were all piqued
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 25, 2019, 10:19:57 AM
I tend to pull food well below the FDA's approved temps.  I like to walk on the wild side.

My dad always wants to know why my smoked porked tenderloin turns out so great.  It's because I pull it at 140 and let it rest/residual cook, typically up to about 145.  For decades the FDA-approved temp for pork was 160, they recently lowered to pull at 145 and then allow rest, but after the residual cook that still takes it up to the point where it can become dry.


I prefer my meat med rare, beef, pork, chicken, venison, ground beef.

nothing good comes from over cooking

something that falls of the bone is usually overcooked
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 25, 2019, 10:25:07 AM
Obviously a chuck roast that falls off the bone may be properly cooked.  I like ribs that do that as well.

Trichinosis is not really a threat in the US with undercooked pork.  

The wife likes here steaks "blu rare", which is more than I can "stomach".  I cooked them that way for her though.  It means getting a thick cut.  This little electric grill is a lot better than I ever would have guessed.  I brought up a GFG because I thought we'd have to use that for "grilling".  I used it a few times and thought I would give the electric grill a shot and never looked back.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 25, 2019, 10:30:02 AM
a  roast that's been in the oven or crock pot is OK if it falls off the bone, but I'd still prefer it was pink in the middle and wasn't as soft

ribs are commonly praised for falling off the bone, but IMO they are overcooked
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on July 25, 2019, 11:11:16 AM
a  roast that's been in the oven or crock pot is OK if it falls off the bone, but I'd still prefer it was pink in the middle and wasn't as soft

ribs are commonly praised for falling off the bone, but IMO they are overcooked

BBQ ribs can be cooked all the way through and be perfect in flavor and texture.  I don't ever measure internal on my pork spare ribs, but on beef ribs and brisket, typically its final temp is over 200 degrees.  That would be way overcooked for a roast, but it's appropriate for a brisket or beef rib, because that's what it takes for the fat to render, and for all of the collagen to turn to gelatin, resulting in moist, tender, delicious BBQ goodness.

But I do actually like my pork spare ribs with more bite and not completely falling off the bone, which is why I take the extra step post-crutch to expose them for another 20 or 30 minutes to the smoke (or oven) without the foil, which makes them firm up.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 25, 2019, 12:26:07 PM
a  roast that's been in the oven or crock pot is OK if it falls off the bone, but I'd still prefer it was pink in the middle and wasn't as soft

ribs are commonly praised for falling off the bone, but IMO they are overcooked
Depends what you're roasting, really. 

A prime rib roast should be rare or med rare. Because it's tender. 

A chuck roast needs to be cooked way past well done to be tender, so meats like that are usually braised for a long time. If it's pink in the middle, it's going to be tough as hell.

If you want a chuck roast (or similar) to be cooked med rare and still tender, the only way to achieve it is with sous vide. 

Agree 100% on ribs. Try to win a KCBS competition with falling off the bone ribs, and they'll say they're way overcooked. But the average rib eater seems to think "OMG they were FALLING OFF THE BONE" is the ideal for ribs. So even though I don't like it as much, I tend more towards overcooking ribs at home because that's what the people ask for. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 25, 2019, 12:28:51 PM
I like ribs "falling off the bone".
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Post by: FearlessF on July 25, 2019, 01:28:05 PM
you also like spaghetti with chili on it
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Post by: CWSooner on July 25, 2019, 01:43:50 PM
you also like spaghetti with chili on it
:67:

There's nothing intrinsically wrong with chili on top of pasta.  Chili on top of small elbow macaroni was the basis of one of the great late-night-after-drinking confections Norman, Oklahoma, had to offer from at least the late 1960s through the 1970s and beyond.  The Denco Darlin'--you'd have loved it!
Ribs with the meat falling off the bone, however--that's just not right!
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Post by: ELA on July 25, 2019, 02:44:18 PM
:67:

There's nothing intrinsically wrong with chili on top of pasta.  Chili on top of small elbow macaroni was the basis of one of the great late-night-after-drinking confections Norman, Oklahoma, had to offer from at least the late 1960s through the 1970s and beyond.  The Denco Darlin'--you'd have loved it!
Ribs with the meat falling off the bone, however--that's just not right!
I agree.  But I' think he's specifically referring to this abomination


(https://i.imgur.com/K4c3I7C.png)
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Post by: Cincydawg on July 25, 2019, 02:51:22 PM
you also like spaghetti with chili on it

It's not really chili, and I got used to it more than liked it.  I'd order it once a month or so and put a lot of hot sauce on it.

It comes with a lot of shredded cheddar on top and onions, so there is that.

I had pad thai for lunch today, in other news.  It was good.  I'm digesting a bit and then will head to the gym and then the pool.  I'm getting a bit of a tan now.  This evening we're headed up to the roof deck for some appetizers with a neighbor.  

Paris hit 104°F today.  They don't have much AC in their residences.
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Post by: Cincydawg on July 25, 2019, 02:52:30 PM
Skyline IMHO is not very good, nor is Gold Star.  
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Post by: CWSooner on July 25, 2019, 03:26:40 PM
It's not really chili, and I got used to it more than liked it.  I'd order it once a month or so and put a lot of hot sauce on it.

It comes with a lot of shredded cheddar on top and onions, so there is that.

I had pad thai for lunch today, in other news.  It was good.  I'm digesting a bit and then will head to the gym and then the pool.  I'm getting a bit of a tan now.  This evening we're headed up to the roof deck for some appetizers with a neighbor. 

Paris hit 104°F today.  They don't have much AC in their residences.
We had record lows in many Oklahoma locations yesterday morning.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 25, 2019, 03:40:40 PM
I used my AC for the first time this year on Tuesday and yesterday. Tuesday night I had to run it overnight, but then last night I turned it off and opened the bedroom window and ran a fan at night.

Going to a Brothers Osborne concert at the OC Fairgrounds tonight, and hoping that when we get back to the house it'll be cool enough to keep the AC off. 

At least the 10-day forecast has highs only in the 80s and lows in the 60s for the foreseeable future. With low humidity, that's usually enough to avoid AC all day and still be cool enough to sleep comfortably at night.
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Post by: FearlessF on July 25, 2019, 04:11:26 PM
cooled off here finally after an extreme warm run

been sleeping with the windows open - very nice - lows in the upper 50s

it's 73, breezy, and overcast at the moment - refreshing
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Post by: Cincydawg on July 25, 2019, 05:42:24 PM
Just back from the gym and the pool.  It's 86°F and mostly sunny, 57% RH, a breeze, so it's pretty nice.  We're going up to the roof deck at 6:30.

The roof deck is fairly nice, it could use some upgrades, but the view is nice and there usually is a breeze.  We can see downtown and Buckhead and the park.  

Tomorrow has a forecast high of 87°F and 50% RH, so a bit drier, should be nice also for late July around here.

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Post by: FearlessF on July 25, 2019, 08:23:35 PM
that is great golfing weather
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Post by: MarqHusker on July 25, 2019, 10:50:08 PM
Moving in about 3 weeks.  Can't wait to get all this behind me, or more accurately, to the new house.
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Post by: MichiFan87 on July 25, 2019, 11:25:40 PM
I'm glad the heat wave is over here, though it's in Europe now, but that's still equally discouraging overall.... Next week's debates will be interesting to say the least, especially since they'll be in Detroit....
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Post by: Cincydawg on July 26, 2019, 06:32:41 AM
Moving in about 3 weeks.  Can't wait to get all this behind me, or more accurately, to the new house.
Moving is killer after you have accumulated stuff.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on July 26, 2019, 09:37:14 AM
I'm glad the heat wave is over here, though it's in Europe now, but that's still equally discouraging overall.... Next week's debates will be interesting to say the least, especially since they'll be in Detroit....
Are heat waves a new thing?
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Post by: 847badgerfan on July 26, 2019, 09:39:57 AM
Moving is killer after you have accumulated stuff.
True to that. When we moved from our TH to the rental condo last year, we shed a lot of that "accumulated stuff" that you mention. Goodwill and Habitat for Humanity loved us.


And guess what? There are things in the storage unit that are still in the boxes. If those things are still in the boxes when we move from here to Florida, those things are going away too. Makes the moving bill a whole lot cheaper too.
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Post by: FearlessF on July 26, 2019, 09:46:52 AM
I won't be taking much with me when I move in next to Utee

golf clubs, desktop, and 65" TV
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Post by: utee94 on July 26, 2019, 10:17:12 AM
It was 59 degrees yesterday morning when I went for my morning run.  59 degrees, in late July, in Central Texas.  Incredible.  This has been a very mild summer for us.

We're not moving but we did have most of the house interior repainted, and we're replacing most of the flooring, so we basically had to pack up as if we're moving.  It does indeed suck, almost as much as OU.

And Fearless, the house angled across the corner from me is up for sale.  You're in luck!


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Post by: 847badgerfan on July 26, 2019, 10:20:32 AM
Hell, where you live I think probably 16 of us could go in on one house, and move there.
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Post by: Anonymous Coward on July 26, 2019, 10:24:05 AM
Are heat waves a new thing?
Of course not. But their amplitude and frequency can be new. I don't study this, so I don't have those numbers for you. Just pointing out that you can dismiss the idea as incorrect simply because heat waves have been around for longer than our country.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on July 26, 2019, 10:29:47 AM
I don't dismiss anything with regard to weather. Anything is possible, it seems.
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Post by: FearlessF on July 26, 2019, 10:31:15 AM
Hell, where you live I think probably 16 of us could go in on one house, and move there.
good idear
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Post by: MarqHusker on July 26, 2019, 10:35:20 AM
I've been fortunate to move about every 10 years lately, affords me the chance to shed.  This is first move w kids in tow, and they have stuff.  Fortunately this is a one mile move.  
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Post by: 847badgerfan on July 26, 2019, 10:45:04 AM
I've been fortunate to move about every 10 years lately, affords me the chance to shed.  This is first move w kids in tow, and they have stuff.  Fortunately this is a one mile move. 
Moving is moving. 1 mile or 1000. We had the 1 mile too. It still sucked balls.
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Post by: Cincydawg on July 26, 2019, 10:49:02 AM
I moved two houses over, about 200 feet.  I had Two guys and a van help with some large stuff.  They laughed and asked if it was OK they didn't use their van.

I still had boxes of "stuff" I was too tired to deal with.  I had a box of old SI magazines from WAY back and other stuff like that, newspapers.  It took a change in state of mind to get rid of it.

The other thing is those souvenirs we buy on vacation?  Don't.  They look cute in a shop, but they end up in boxes, or even if displayed you never look at them.

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Post by: bayareabadger on July 26, 2019, 10:50:23 AM
Moving is moving. 1 mile or 1000. We had the 1 mile too. It still sucked balls.
I tell everyone, there’s a moment in each move where you think the same thing. 

“I could burn all this stuff and buy new stuff. Would that actually make me happier in this moment?”
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Post by: 847badgerfan on July 26, 2019, 10:51:24 AM
I remember as a youngster having heat waves. They seemed to come more often than they do now, BUT..

Schools were not air-conditioned and the one unit we had in the window would not keep up very well. We managed.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on July 26, 2019, 10:53:33 AM
I tell everyone, there’s a moment in each move where you think the same thing.

“I could burn all this stuff and buy new stuff. Would that actually make me happier in this moment?”
I've had that moment during both of our recent (2007, 2018) moves. I'll have it again in a year or two. And I might do it too. Just start over, save for a few items.
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Post by: Cincydawg on July 26, 2019, 11:01:29 AM
The wife insisted we start over, with few exceptions.  She had a nice sectional sofa in the old place and wanted to ditch it.  I convinced her it would work in the new place, and she says I was right about that.  She wanted to ditch the washer and dryer, I convinced her to keep them as well.  I kept some office furniture, her office is almost entirely new stuff.

The company we hired to sell our stuff ripped us off, the wife had experience with them and liked them, but from the buying side (Everything but the House).  They really ripped us off, could not account for some nice items they were supposed to sell but "didn't", they claimed.  She bitched and got a couple hundred from them to go away.

Somehow I left my flight bag with my license and headphones and whatnot in the old basement, I missed it I guess.  I have an autographed Herschel photo on my wall and another of UGA going after the Auburn receiver.

We had a helluva time getting stuff delivered down here.  There were 4-5 things we canceled because they didn't deliver when they promised, they'd say no one was home.

Our new dining room table came busted.  My entertainment center came as a coffee table.  Delivery down here sux I guess because there is so much going on.
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Post by: rolltidefan on July 26, 2019, 11:28:29 AM
Moving is moving. 1 mile or 1000. We had the 1 mile too. It still sucked balls.
agreed. i've done both (not 1000, but longer moves) and the actual 'moving' from one place to the other isn't the issue. it's the packing, cleaning, packing, cleaning, trashing, giving away, selling, packing, cleaning... unpacking, unpacking, unpacking 3-4-5 years later unpacking... that's the problem.
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Post by: FearlessF on July 26, 2019, 12:32:22 PM
https://www.corvetteblogger.com/docs/2020corvettestingrayplaybook.pdf (https://www.corvetteblogger.com/docs/2020corvettestingrayplaybook.pdf)
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 26, 2019, 12:42:09 PM
Moving is moving. 1 mile or 1000. We had the 1 mile too. It still sucked balls.
agreed. i've done both (not 1000, but longer moves) and the actual 'moving' from one place to the other isn't the issue. it's the packing, cleaning, packing, cleaning, trashing, giving away, selling, packing, cleaning... unpacking, unpacking, unpacking 3-4-5 years later unpacking... that's the problem.
I disagree, actually. Moving 1 mile is a lot easier than moving 1000 miles. Granted, either one sucks balls, but 1 mile sucks balls to a lesser degree. 

The reason, for me, is that a short (in town or close to it) move can be done without all the packing/unpacking. I.e. not that you can avoid packing, of course, but certain things that you have to pack VERY carefully if you trust them to movers can be packed much less carefully and hand-moved over the span of several days.

I'm talking about things like dishes, glassware, as well as bigger/bulky things like lamps, pictures, decorations, etc. A lot of that stuff you can just load up in the cars over and make trips yourself over 3-4 days, and then just have movers come in and take care of all the big heavy things like furniture and appliances. 
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 26, 2019, 12:45:56 PM
Housing market is cooling off significantly here in SoCal. Many of the houses that I would have seen in the $700K+ range last year here in Mission Viejo (3+ bdr, 1500+ sq ft) are now going for low-mid $600Ks. 

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Post by: FearlessF on July 26, 2019, 12:50:23 PM
I'm still not moving there because tax rates won't be cooling off
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 26, 2019, 12:52:01 PM
I'm still not moving there because tax rates won't be cooling off
Certainly not. It's painful. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 26, 2019, 01:01:41 PM
Most of our stuff does nothing for us.  It's just stuff we either think we might need someday OR has sentimental value (or we think it does).

I remember keeping my kids' drawings from kindergarten, my old HS trophies, books galore, trinkets from vacations, so much stuff I ditched.

The only thing I wish I had kept is my flight bag.
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Post by: FearlessF on July 26, 2019, 01:28:48 PM
after cleaning out my father's house after he passed and my grandmother's house after she was gone I understood that most things don't have much meaning

better to give them to someone that might be able to use them - Goodwill
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Post by: mcwterps1 on July 26, 2019, 01:48:39 PM
Rumors when he entered the transfer portal, and then he withdrew. 

This will be interesting to follow. 

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/alabama-lb-former-five-star-prospect-eyabi-anoma-not-enrolled-at-school-as-season-approaches/
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Post by: Anonymous Coward on July 26, 2019, 02:20:29 PM
That is interesting. He originally picked between Alabama and Michigan, but I think transfers are rarely so simple as calling up your old #2.
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Post by: MrNubbz on July 26, 2019, 02:27:16 PM
Housing market is cooling off significantly here in SoCal. Many of the houses that I would have seen in the $700K+ range last year here in Mission Viejo (3+ bdr, 1500+ sq ft) are now going for low-mid $600Ks.


Oh,great I'm on my way
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Post by: FearlessF on July 26, 2019, 02:45:23 PM
that's Utee neighborhood money
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Post by: MarqHusker on July 26, 2019, 02:51:37 PM
West coast has indeed seen some pullback.  Wsj piece this week was good w details.   I'm very pleased we did this sale this summer, and not next spring.   That's a long ways, lot can happen.   Midwest still a bit tight,  most markets just have a supply shortage at the middle price points.   Homes get scooped pretty fast around here.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 26, 2019, 02:51:45 PM
that's Utee neighborhood money
Yeah, but probably buys 5bdr and 3500 sq ft, not 3bdr and 1500, in Round Rock. 
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Post by: Cincydawg on July 26, 2019, 03:22:37 PM
The high end condos around these parts are not moving, but those in the medium price points, usually 2 bedroom 1250 sq ft range, move like hotcakes on a summer day in July.  Or something.  I understand the shortage in single family here is starter homes, things around $200 K or so.  I see these "bungalows" for sale around me going to half a mil and wonder about the market.

https://atlanta.curbed.com/2019/7/25/8930174/loft-condo-atlanta-for-sale-beltline-ponce-city-market (https://atlanta.curbed.com/2019/7/25/8930174/loft-condo-atlanta-for-sale-beltline-ponce-city-market)

https://atlanta.curbed.com/2019/7/23/20706227/reynoldstown-atlanta-home-for-sale-bungalow-beltline (https://atlanta.curbed.com/2019/7/23/20706227/reynoldstown-atlanta-home-for-sale-bungalow-beltline)

I see Kenny Rogers' old place is back on the market if anyone is interested:

https://atlanta.curbed.com/2019/7/26/8931781/kenny-rogers-buckhead-atlanta-home-for-sale (https://atlanta.curbed.com/2019/7/26/8931781/kenny-rogers-buckhead-atlanta-home-for-sale)

(https://i.imgur.com/8gK8uyi.jpg)
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Post by: Anonymous Coward on July 26, 2019, 03:31:49 PM
That Kenny Rogers spot is a whole lot of house/property for $3.7MM. Obviously that's very expensive, but I expected a different class of number, TBH.
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Post by: Cincydawg on July 26, 2019, 03:51:36 PM
It last sold for $3.7, I think $4.5 is current asking price, not that it really makes much difference.  It looks like a pretty good deal to me, but not my style at all.

That is a great location.  The NW side of town is replete with mansions.

https://atlanta.curbed.com/maps/atlanta-20-most-expensive-listings-right-now (https://atlanta.curbed.com/maps/atlanta-20-most-expensive-listings-right-now)

(https://i.imgur.com/VAugaK7.png)

This place is offered at $12.9 million.  Our place is way off on the horizon there.
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Post by: Cincydawg on July 26, 2019, 03:53:12 PM
$14.5 million for this one:



(https://i.imgur.com/pKqoDQe.jpg)
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Post by: Anonymous Coward on July 26, 2019, 04:03:15 PM
Oh yeah, it's super ugly**. Seems like a good value is all.

** (that bedroom? 😖🤣)
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Post by: Cincydawg on July 26, 2019, 04:08:27 PM
These are the kinds that stymie me:

(https://i.imgur.com/4iPkdqt.jpg)

I'm sure it's nice inside, but it isn't that large, it is on e postage stamp lot, and over half a mil?

This one is $545 asking and 1200 sq ft.

(https://i.imgur.com/UV8QKae.jpg)



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Post by: Anonymous Coward on July 26, 2019, 04:10:02 PM
I'm really not a big fan of homes like this where roofs extend from roofs, which extend from roofs. Pillars and excessive chimneys repel me, too. A lot of upper middle class homes are the same way. I think that's what they call McMansions. Obviously, cincy's photos aren't "Mc's" but true mansions. I just object to the style. I think it's meant to seem more imposing and impressive. All it does for me is seem gaudy and poorly organized. I prefer very simple shapes and minimal lines. It doesn't have to be so modern, but this is an example. It could be repeated in limestone or brick, and I'd still think it was more desirable to live in than the mansions above. I like the idea of the house itself being good art.

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/wwfeatures/wm/live/1280_720/images/live/p0/7h/p5/p07hp5l6.jpg)
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 26, 2019, 04:16:39 PM
These are the kinds that stymie me:

(https://i.imgur.com/4iPkdqt.jpg)

I'm sure it's nice inside, but it isn't that large, it is on e postage stamp lot, and over half a mil?

This one is $545 asking and 1200 sq ft.

(https://i.imgur.com/UV8QKae.jpg)




What kind of neighborhoods are these? Are they in very high demand in these neighborhoods?

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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 26, 2019, 04:17:00 PM
Here's around the corner from me: https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/26792-Calle-Alcala-Mission-Viejo-CA-92691/25627839_zpid/ (https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/26792-Calle-Alcala-Mission-Viejo-CA-92691/25627839_zpid/)
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Post by: Anonymous Coward on July 26, 2019, 04:17:42 PM
This too. I don't know how the upstairs is designed, but without windowed walls, I like to imagine the entire ceiling is a window.
(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/wwfeatures/wm/live/1280_720/images/live/p0/7h/p5/p07hp5kj.jpg)
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Post by: Cincydawg on July 26, 2019, 04:20:52 PM
They are recently gentrified neighborhoods that were basically slums when I last lived here.  They are close into town basically, and proximity to the Beltline is now a huge asset for real estate and apartments.

Reynoldstown is a historic district (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historic_districts_in_the_United_States) and intown (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intown_Atlanta) neighborhood on the near east side (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastside_(Atlanta)) of Atlanta (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlanta), Georgia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_(U.S._state)) located only 2 miles from downtown. The neighborhood is gentrifying (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentrification) and attracting new families, empty-nesters, Atlantans opposed to long commutes; as well as diverse culture of first-time homebuyers, single professionals, artist and students due to its close proximity to other nearby intown neighborhoods, high walkability (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walkability) index, urban amenities and nearby bohemian hotspots on Carroll Street in the adjoined-at-the-hip also historic Cabbagetown (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabbagetown_(Atlanta))neighborhood [1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reynoldstown,_Atlanta#cite_note-1) and in other surrounding communities.

Reynoldstown is a community that was originally settled after the American Civil War (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War) by freed slaves who were employed by the railroad. Madison and Sarah Reynolds were among the first ex-slaves to move into the area, and it is believed that the neighborhood was named after them. Reynoldstown was annexed by the city of Atlanta in 1909 and celebrates its historic tie to freed slave roots and artistic expressions to empower residents with its annual Wheelbarrow Festival (http://www.wheelbarrowfestival.com/). The neighborhood continued to thrive and prosper until the 1950s when it was nearly 100% African-American populated, when the railroad industry began to decline. Reynoldstown began gentrifying (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentrification_of_Atlanta) in the 1990s, altering the demographic makeup of the neighborhood where today it is closer to a mix of 65% white and 35% African-American population composition. The neighborhood was listed as a Historic District on the National Register of Historic Places (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Register_of_Historic_Places) in 2003.[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reynoldstown,_Atlanta#cite_note-nris-2)

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: mcwterps1 on July 26, 2019, 04:25:00 PM
That is interesting. He originally picked between Alabama and Michigan, but I think transfers are rarely so simple as calling up your old #2.
He was also recruited by Locksley, and is from Maryland. 
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Post by: Cincydawg on July 26, 2019, 04:26:27 PM
https://atlanta.curbed.com/2019/7/5/20683243/grant-park-atlanta-new-home-for-sale-house (https://atlanta.curbed.com/2019/7/5/20683243/grant-park-atlanta-new-home-for-sale-house)

(https://i.imgur.com/V67mslK.jpg)

Asking $635K  2200 sq ft.  Close into to downtown.  
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 26, 2019, 04:30:32 PM
Got it. Hip location, in town, walkable, and very appealing to young professionals. Probably seems like a bargain for transplants from higher COL areas too. Makes "sense"...
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Post by: Cincydawg on July 26, 2019, 04:38:58 PM
https://atlanta.curbed.com/2019/7/23/20706344/atlanta-gentrification-bankhead-quarry-yards (https://atlanta.curbed.com/2019/7/23/20706344/atlanta-gentrification-bankhead-quarry-yards)

The city is changing rapidly.  The racial makeup is changing from mostly black to majority black soon to be plurality black.

It's interesting for me to watch and observe, having lived in the 'burbs so long ago.  I do worry about the amount of apartment construction going on around me.  A lot of newer apartment buildings are not nearly full.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on July 26, 2019, 04:48:19 PM
Here's around the corner from me: https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/26792-Calle-Alcala-Mission-Viejo-CA-92691/25627839_zpid/ (https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/26792-Calle-Alcala-Mission-Viejo-CA-92691/25627839_zpid/)
From the drone photos: What is that neighborhood-sized black hole in the ground? Maybe it's an unfilled man-made lake?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 26, 2019, 05:08:19 PM
From the drone photos: What is that neighborhood-sized black hole in the ground? Maybe it's an unfilled man-made lake?
El Toro Reservoir.

It actually is filled. I just has a floating liner over the top of it.

https://etwd.com/about-us/history-of-el-toro-water-district/ (https://etwd.com/about-us/history-of-el-toro-water-district/)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on July 26, 2019, 05:43:23 PM
Is California still experimenting with those "shade balls?" 

I think I read that there's some reservoir, maybe near L.A., that's so massive, a liner is ~10x more costly than filling the surface with floating black balls. I also recall something about natural bromine in the reservoir and concerns that it might react in the presence of sunlight and chlorine additives to form bromate, which is unhealthy. I'm not sure if I remembered that correctly, but if I am close it'd be cool if a resident chemist (@Cincydawg?) could detail the mechanism.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 26, 2019, 05:45:52 PM
Is California still experimenting with those "shade balls?"

I think I read that there's some reservoir, maybe near L.A., that's so massive, a liner is ~10x more costly than filling the surface with floating black balls. I also recall something about natural bromine in the reservoir and concerns that it might react in the presence of sunlight and chlorine additives to form bromate, which is unhealthy. I'm not sure if I remembered that correctly, but if I am close it'd be cool if a resident chemist (@Cincydawg?) could detail the mechanism.
Interesting... I had never heard of shade balls until now.

But it appears the experiment is mostly over, on all but one reservoir they'll be replaced by floating covers:


https://www.governing.com/topics/transportation-infrastructure/gov-shade-balls-water-quality.html (https://www.governing.com/topics/transportation-infrastructure/gov-shade-balls-water-quality.html)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on July 26, 2019, 05:46:40 PM
https://atlanta.curbed.com/2019/7/5/20683243/grant-park-atlanta-new-home-for-sale-house (https://atlanta.curbed.com/2019/7/5/20683243/grant-park-atlanta-new-home-for-sale-house)

(https://i.imgur.com/V67mslK.jpg)

Asking $635K  2200 sq ft.  Close into to downtown. 
I know it's not big, but that's a pleasing house to look at. A boxy house that is taller than it is wide really does it for me. As for the cost, it is no doubt a lot for the square footage, but I'd expect the same if it were in a Big Ten college town.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on July 26, 2019, 05:53:43 PM
Interesting... I had never heard of shade balls until now.

But it appears the experiment is mostly over, on all but one reservoir they'll be replaced by floating covers:


https://www.governing.com/topics/transportation-infrastructure/gov-shade-balls-water-quality.html (https://www.governing.com/topics/transportation-infrastructure/gov-shade-balls-water-quality.html)
I wonder if that's the reservoir with the natural bromine source. I think, aside from the liner cost, that was the main engineering challenge to hurdle.

Anyway, there's this physics/chemistry/philosophy/cool-stuff vlog I follow on Youtube (Veritasium). It had a whole episode devoted to this. I remember thinking it was oddly beautiful how the balls naturally aligned in rafts of 2-dimensional crystals in the undisturbed water.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on July 27, 2019, 08:48:48 PM
Yeah, but probably buys 5bdr and 3500 sq ft, not 3bdr and 1500, in Round Rock.
Good heavens no, not Round Rock.  That soulless, treeless piece of crap suburb.

I live in Cedar Park of course.  

But the figures are about right.

In Austin proper, these days, $600K buys you a 1200 sqft 3-2 teardown, which you'll then put another $500K into to build an actual house.  Kinda like California.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MichiFan87 on July 27, 2019, 09:50:13 PM
I had never seen / heard of those shade balls, but reservoirs are an increasingly great opportunity for solar, so I'm surprised they haven't at least considered that, especially in California.

DC's housing market has actually seemed to slow down, even with the pending arrival of Amazon (though I don't follow the Arlington / Alexandria market as much). I'm just waiting to see what happens once the stock market inevitably crashes....
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 29, 2019, 10:25:54 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG3aeeBUp9c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG3aeeBUp9c)

The guys are good, SEC Shorts Barbershop Quartet Smack Talk.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on July 29, 2019, 11:52:57 AM
That's good, CD!
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 29, 2019, 11:57:30 AM
If they put chlorine in the water than contains bromide, it could easily oxidize the bromide up to bromate.

Chlorine - Cl2 - acts like it is CL- and CL+, and the Cl+ part wants electrons from somewhere.  This is simplistic of course.  You have HOCl in there too.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 29, 2019, 12:08:53 PM
for the Purdue fans and others that are fans of Joe Tiller...............

Steven M. Sipple: Moos' life-size cutout of Tiller speaks to AD's regard for coaching profession

https://journalstar.com/sports/huskers/sipple/steven-m-sipple-moos-life-size-cutout-of-tiller-speaks/article_a9ae7afe-c9af-54b4-9c5b-48a6c07b09bd.amp.html (https://journalstar.com/sports/huskers/sipple/steven-m-sipple-moos-life-size-cutout-of-tiller-speaks/article_a9ae7afe-c9af-54b4-9c5b-48a6c07b09bd.amp.html)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 30, 2019, 01:10:20 PM
Got rear-ended in the Flex on Saturday. How does a bumper and a trailer hitch cost $2800 to repair? 

Now need to figure out whether the guy who hit me wants to pay out of pocket or via a claim. I have to think he'll choose insurance since he'd need to fix his own car too.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on July 30, 2019, 01:23:28 PM
Bumpers got expensive when they were mandated to survive a 5 mph collision with no damage.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on July 30, 2019, 07:41:21 PM
Don't know about the trailer hitch, but I bet you could buy the bumper yourself, spend some time on YouTube, and install it yourself for a lot less.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 30, 2019, 07:54:45 PM
Don't know about the trailer hitch, but I bet you could buy the bumper yourself, spend some time on YouTube, and install it yourself for a lot less.
I'm not paying for any of it. It'll either be out-of-pocket for the guy who rear-ended me, or his insurance company.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on July 30, 2019, 08:07:54 PM
Then...capitalism. :-)

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on July 30, 2019, 08:46:26 PM
So I was looking at UW's schedule, and since it's been a few years since they had a good opponent to open (they'll wait three weeks this year), I'd forgotten my favorite part about a big-time opener.

Zero discussion about "vanilla" offense. 

It's one of my least favorite things early in the season. The offense is looking rough at spots, and some fans insist "No, this is only because the staff is TRYING to hold back some of the good plays." And sometimes things stabilize and probably more often, it just means the offense won't be as good as we hope.

Anyway, it's a misunderstanding of how gameplans are built (something I could get deeper on if anyone cares), and is usually kind of a hoping against hope sort of self-denial. I'm not looking forward to three weeks of it, and that was so stream of consciousness, I felt it belonged here. Thanks for listening. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on July 30, 2019, 09:23:57 PM
[From the crowd] 

"Go deeper into gameplans!" 

[/]

I agree about the over-hope self-denial, by the way, and have reflected on my own participation in that far more than once. It's funny how understanding the psychology of cognitive dissonance barely by an iota helps you avoid it.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on July 31, 2019, 04:24:18 PM
Big Ten strength coaches
Big Ten strength coaches tend to move around less often than assistants do while commanding impressive salaries for their work. Here’s the list of league head strength coaches, their salary, and when they began at the school.

A * denotes a strength coach whose employment either predated the current head coach at the school or started in the same year as the head coach.

Ohio State Mickey Mariotti 2012 $735,000*

Iowa Chris Doyle 1999 $725,000*

Michigan Ben Herbert 2019 $500,000

Nebraska Zach Duval 2018 $375,000*

Wisconsin Ross Kolodziej 2015 $350,000*

Illinois Lou Hernandez 2019 $300,000

Michigan State Ken Mannie 1995 $278,598*

Minnesota Dan Nichol 2017 $270,000*

Maryland Ryan Davis 2019 $255,000*

Indiana David Ballou 2018 $216,000

Purdue Justin Lovett 2017 $210,000*

Rutgers Kenny Parker 2016 $275,834*

Northwestern Jay Hooten 2011 N/A

Penn State Dwight Galt 2014 N/A*
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on July 31, 2019, 07:49:07 PM
The end of EDSBS... (https://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2019/7/31/20729397/free-bird)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on July 31, 2019, 08:23:03 PM
The end of EDSBS... (https://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2019/7/31/20729397/free-bird)
Wow.
Never heard of EDSBS.
But that was something there.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on August 01, 2019, 11:09:48 AM
Wow, that was I think the first sports blog I ever read, I was still at MSU at the time, most well known for the Fulmer Cup for tracking schools on offseason legal incidents
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on August 01, 2019, 11:13:07 AM
So who's going to take up tracking the Fulmer Cup?  Always worth a chuckle...
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 01, 2019, 11:42:34 AM
UGA used to have kids arrested all summer, some of it for driving a scooter without a license kind of stuff, but some was not good.  I don't know if Smart has reigned that in somehow but the frequency is way down.  Maybe they thought they could get away with it under Richt?

Maybe Richt took chances thinking he could change a kid?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on August 01, 2019, 12:03:01 PM
So who's going to take up tracking the Fulmer Cup?  Always worth a chuckle...
Well, it sounds like the old Orson Swindle [Spencer] will still be writing somewhere. He didn't really specify where he'll be. Probably because he knows it'll become common knowledge soon enough.

Wouldn't surprise me if The Athletic poached him from SBNation. 

Maybe he'll still track the Fulmer Cup. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on August 01, 2019, 12:07:23 PM
Update: this article (https://awfulannouncing.com/online-outlets/every-day-should-be-saturday-shuts-down.html) says that he will continue on with some other yet-to-be-revealed SBNation project.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on August 01, 2019, 12:19:30 PM
Wow, that was I think the first sports blog I ever read, I was still at MSU at the time, most well known for the Fulmer Cup for tracking schools on offseason legal incidents
Why do they call it that though?Did Fulmer had an inordinate amount of kids collared?More than Johnson @ Miami or Meyer @ FLA?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on August 01, 2019, 12:27:13 PM
Why do they call it that though?Did Fulmer had an inordinate amount of kids collared?More than Johnson @ Miami or Meyer @ FLA?
According to reddit, apparently right around 2004-2005 Tennessee had a lot of arrests. https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/2vvh4b/why_was_it_named_the_fulmer_cup/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/2vvh4b/why_was_it_named_the_fulmer_cup/)

As with most things on the internet, it started for inauspicious reasons and now it's just a thing.

I suspect it's that Spencer started his blog in 2005 when these events were fresh in his mind. Being a Florida fan / alum himself, you know he won't call it the Meyer cup and throw shade at his own team. Jimmy Johnson was in the late 80's, likely before Spencer's time. And of course being a Gator fan, he'd gladly throw another SEC rival under the bus in UT. (Not that he wouldn't for Miami or FSU, but again Miami was before his time.)

Random chance that these events at UT occurred right at the time EDSBS opened its doors? I'm going with that explanation.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on August 01, 2019, 12:30:03 PM
Ah,Thanx,so I was kinda right on Johnson/Meyer - had their share.Didn't Phil turn someone in at one time for violations?Damn after reading a couple more links.Tennessee had some violent fook's - hope they did some time.Partying and taking a handout are certainly wrong and frowned upon but cracking skulls is immediate expulsion offense.Specially after theyd been warned
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on August 01, 2019, 12:32:26 PM
According to reddit, apparently right around 2004-2005 Tennessee had a lot of arrests. https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/2vvh4b/why_was_it_named_the_fulmer_cup/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/2vvh4b/why_was_it_named_the_fulmer_cup/)

As with most things on the internet, it started for inauspicious reasons and now it's just a thing.

I suspect it's that Spencer started his blog in 2005 when these events were fresh in his mind. Being a Florida fan / alum himself, you know he won't call it the Meyer cup and throw shade at his own team. Jimmy Johnson was in the late 80's, likely before Spencer's time. And of course being a Gator fan, he'd gladly throw another SEC rival under the bus in UT. (Not that he wouldn't for Miami or FSU, but again Miami was before his time.)

Random chance that these events at UT occurred right at the time EDSBS opened its doors? I'm going with that explanation.

Pretty sure that's exactly how it went down.  Timing is everything. :)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 01, 2019, 06:21:41 PM
CFB HoF now free for August.

https://atlanta.curbed.com/2019/8/1/20750253/atlanta-college-football-hall-free-admission (https://atlanta.curbed.com/2019/8/1/20750253/atlanta-college-football-hall-free-admission)

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on August 02, 2019, 03:00:49 PM
Sometimes being a perfectionist is a real PITA...

Last year, I replaced the main speakers in my Jeep and re-tuned the crossover value of the tweeters. It made significant improvement to the sound quality, but I wanted to improve it further, as well as get a head unit that has integrated Bluetooth as the 2009 factory radio does not--I currently use a Bluetooth->FM transmitter, which is not optimal. 

I was gifted a visa gift card for my birthday, and thought that's as good a reason as any to actually pull the trigger on a higher quality and more modern head unit. Nothing extravagant--the Jeep lives without a top, so I don't want something that screams "steal me", and given that it might be washed out by the sun a fair bit, didn't want a touchscreen anyway.

So I started researching. And researching. And researching. And realizing that if I want to do this "right", it's not a just a head unit. It's replacing the original amplifier as well. And then it spirals outward from there.

You see, the "premium" Infinity sound system in Jeeps is made to be "premium" but also as cheap as they can. It's an underpowered 8-channel amp / audio processor driving 2 ohm outputs, to 4 cabin speakers, 2 tweeters, and 2 outputs bridged to the subwoofer. The head unit (like most) is underpowered as well. 

One downside of relying on the factory amp is that it relies on electrical signals from the head unit to do fade control, so I lose fade control with an aftermarket head unit running through the factory amp. The second downside of the factory amp is that it has to be driven off the head unit speaker level outputs, so it's amplifying an amplified signal. Which is not the best way to do it. It's much better to drive the amp from line level pre-amp outputs so the amp gets the cleanest possible signal.

The replacement cabin speakers are 4 ohm speakers, so they're being woefully underdriven by the OEM amp. The factory sub is 2 ohm dual voice coil. I'm not sure if it's actually being run bridged parallel across two amp outputs to 0.5 ohm, bridged serially to 1 ohm, or whether each voice coil is being directly driven by 2 ohm. But 45Wx2 driven into an 8" sub is probably not ideal either. 

So if I want to actually complete a proper build, it will probably require the below:



So I wanted to buy a relatively modest head unit ($139 cost at Crutchfield, a little over $200 with all wiring accessories, tax, etc). A full build, however, is probably a $350 amp, another $100 subwoofer, probably $50-70 on tweeters, a bunch of wiring/crossovers/etc, and a day or two of the car being torn apart to figure out where/how to mount everything. 

And the problem is that once I buy the head unit, I'm essentially committing myself to the whole build. Long term I'm going to do the rest, because I can't leave it "not right" forever. Which means if I do it "halfway", I tear apart the entire dash to build it once, and then wait a year and tear it apart (along with the rest of the dash to get to the factory amp and wiring) again because I'll need to run the RCA pre-amp cables to the amp instead of stereo outputs to the rest of the car.

Issue is that if I do it "right" from the start, I'm not going to drop $800 right now. That's a ridiculous expense to talk myself into in order to use a $100 gift card. So it's either do it halfway now and halfway later, or do nothing now. 

So I just ordered the head unit. I'm going to do it halfway. I'm sure it'll be an improvement. But my inner perfectionist is angry at myself because I know that to get it "right" is a bigger job, and one that I don't want to put off right now because all my research tells me it's necessary if I want to unlock the full potential of the build. 

Am I alone in this? Or are some of you guys obsessive about these things like me such that it's painful to not go 100% when you know 100% is attainable?

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on August 02, 2019, 03:08:56 PM
So who's going to take up tracking the Fulmer Cup?  Always worth a chuckle...
I'm not sure, but I'd hope for it to be expanded to include in-season as well as out-of-season arrests. It was always a bummer to me how the Fulmer Cup excluded bad stuff between August and January.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 02, 2019, 03:09:34 PM
I got tired just reading your post.

I'd write a check and make it all happen (but I wouldn't want to make it happen anymore - those days are over).
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on August 02, 2019, 03:17:50 PM
The end of EDSBS... (https://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2019/7/31/20729397/free-bird)
Honestly, one of the best authors of prose I've encountered. That was a treat. Shame it's the last named EDSBS.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on August 02, 2019, 03:35:32 PM
Honestly, one of the best authors of prose I've encountered. That was a treat. Shame it's the last named EDSBS.
Yeah, sorry to see it go. It was one of those blogs where most posts were sophomoric, which of course has its own allure to CFB fans. But then when Spencer really wanted to write, he could knock it out of the park. He could pull an emotion out of you--an actual physical feeling of the memories of life or CFB--with his words. He's talented. I hope his new role allow him to continue that. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on August 02, 2019, 03:38:47 PM
I got tired just reading your post.
I sometimes get a little long-winded, I know.

There are days I wished I had a writing outlet available like my old blog(s). The problem is that blogging is mostly dead. The only way to really get people to read it is to post often enough, on a particular topic, that you build a readership of people interested in that topic. Whereas I want to write, when I feel like it, about whatever I want. It's not exactly enough critical mass to build readership.

So I throw it on you poor fools. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on August 02, 2019, 06:46:08 PM
Actually there's some pretty rich fools here too though I'm not one of them.What was the name of your Blog? The facist bastard,seething slouch or sumsuch 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 02, 2019, 07:35:16 PM
Books by Bernard Cornwell are really good.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on August 02, 2019, 07:43:57 PM
Just watched some old Dick Cavett interviews with Orson Welles(that I stumbled upon) - interesting Guy.His granddad was Gideon Welles who was Lincoln's Secretary of the Navy and was with Lincoln when he died.Scratch that it was an urban legend prompted by Welles himself but he did have an Uncle Gideon though spelled Wells.Going to watch more of these interesting none the less.But he was married to Rita Hayworth for 4 yrs - YOWZA
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 02, 2019, 09:36:29 PM
I like that post much better after the edit
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on August 02, 2019, 10:08:45 PM
Man, this ocean breeze is a great tonic for me in August.  I really like Hilton Head.  I'll never move to a place like this but sure is relaxing.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on August 02, 2019, 10:13:05 PM
Man, this ocean breeze is a great tonic for me in August.  I really like Hilton Head.  I'll never move to a place like this but sure is relaxing.
i'm about four hours north of you... watching storms over the ocean is magnificent- it draws me in every time.  when they're moving lateral and not a named storm, of course.  

conversely, though, i miss the crisp mountain air- dipping into the fifties at night and without the weight of the coastal air.  grass is greener, huh?  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on August 02, 2019, 10:20:57 PM
Oh yeah.  That's the hook.  The weather patterns and climates you aren't familiar with on a daily basis.  The mist w this breeze is intoxicating.   The cool sand.  I have curly hair, but here it's like a permanent.

No less wonderful than a cool crisp clear morning in the northwoods of WI/MI/MN/Ontario.

USA USA, err,  North America!.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on August 03, 2019, 12:36:44 AM
Oh yeah.  That's the hook.  The weather patterns and climates you aren't familiar with on a daily basis. 
I like visiting winter. Then I like leaving winter. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 03, 2019, 09:08:24 AM
I like visiting winter. Then I like leaving winter.
a goal of mine
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on August 03, 2019, 09:10:48 AM
Wuss
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 03, 2019, 09:35:27 AM
bwarb or me?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on August 03, 2019, 11:27:18 AM
BOFF
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on August 03, 2019, 02:55:57 PM
Kamado Joe classic is $400 off right now. Only $749 at Lowes. 

https://www.lowes.com/pd/Kamado-Joe-Classic-Joe-18-in-Red-Kamado-Charcoal-Grill/1000707764?cm_mmc=aff-_-c-_-prd-_-mdv-_-gdy-_-all-_-5737003-_-2617611-_-10935405&AID=10935405&PID=5737003&SID=700204945879128126%3A7l27DSnuAxk_&cjevent=0f3ab8f3b62011e982a000fd0a1c0e11
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on August 03, 2019, 02:57:51 PM
Just saw a commercial for a Harley Davidson electric motorcycle. 

That is simultaneously cool as hell and a horrible affront to tradition. Not sure what I think about it lol. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on August 03, 2019, 04:22:52 PM
Kamado Joe classic is $400 off right now. Only $749 at Lowes.

Friend of mine is quite the bargain slueth he picked it up 2 1/2 yrs ago for 325 at an on line auction.You want noise on a bike so drivers will at least hear you - crappy idea....for the time being
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: mcwterps1 on August 04, 2019, 01:53:41 PM
Rumors when he entered the transfer portal, and then he withdrew.

This will be interesting to follow.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/alabama-lb-former-five-star-prospect-eyabi-anoma-not-enrolled-at-school-as-season-approaches/
And then, he picks....

HOUSTON? 

Apparently some issues with the kid, and they're a okay with Holgerson. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on August 04, 2019, 06:44:12 PM
[From the crowd]

"Go deeper into gameplans!"

[/]

I agree about the over-hope self-denial, by the way, and have reflected on my own participation in that far more than once. It's funny how understanding the psychology of cognitive dissonance barely by an iota helps you avoid it.
Well, because you asked nicely ...

We'll start with a key building block, plays and concepts.

Plays would be the very specific calls. There can be a lot of these. 

Concepts are sort of wider families of plays. Inside zone is more a concept because it can be run a bunch of ways, but when we're watching a game, we'll generally say a team ran inside zone (sometimes we'll say QB inside zone, inside zone from the 'gun, etc). Concepts in the passing game can break down all sorts of ways. Mesh, a pair of drag routes that tightly cross is a concept. Double slants is a concept. One can run multiple concepts on one play as well, esp passing or RPOs.

People traditionally think of a base offense as "vanilla," the boring and the predictable plays. But in truth, base should always be your best plays. Those are the ones you run the most. They're the ones you practice the most.

Often next to that are a set of what I call "change-ups," the best example I can find being teams that mix in speed option or draws in certain spots.

An OC I once talked to said you go into a game with your base, what you are, plus a little "spicy chicken." (He was not a very good OC, but his mentor was a legend, so I assume it came from him). That spicy chicken can take several different forms.
-The very special plays (WR throwbacks to QBs, direct snap to RB, etc)
-The new concepts (UW broke out a wham play against OSU a few years back, part of Chryst adding six new concepts over a bye week, which flabbergasted Urbs. This was a rarity. I think UW also went with a triple-trap play vs Iowa that Michigan is fond of).
-Different manners of tweaks and wrinkles on what you have (slip the TE here, have this guy go there)

There are at times moments when teams hold back (I recall one team minimally going empty against a Sun Belt opener, then starting a big rivalry game in it the next week. It produced some good looks, players had drops, team got blown out, it was one of their most effective sets the rest of the way). There's also moments when one of those things added in a week is so good it gets worked in as part of the main package (I think UW did with with draw in the Wilson year).

Many teams tend to roll into games with a minimal package. At times I've heard 20-30 plays on the low end. Remember, you're often only going to run 60-80 total plays a game unless you're at warp speed.

I'm not sure the usual diversity of pass concepts, but in the run game, you can be good with three base concepts on the lower end or five plus change-ups  on the higher end (Urbs OSU). UW had three the TCU rose bowl year. Some good running games have had two, and the legendary Denver outside zone is really just one concept you run really, really well. 

So anyway, less remains more. Your base is your best plays, not your most tired. And if your vanilla is ineffective, that should be more concerning than less. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on August 04, 2019, 06:45:37 PM
Because I watch old games on YouTube, I pulled up the MSU-UW 2011 game. I'd forgotten how deeply frustrating that was well before the comeback and Hail Mary. An awesome UW offense just pissed away some chances there. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 04, 2019, 07:31:58 PM
How many defensive plays would be typical?

Often, I see the D looking to the sideline and then the presnap lineup is the same as always.  I realize they are getting coverages which don't happen until post snap.

I figure an overly complicated defense can lead to missed assignments.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on August 04, 2019, 09:08:43 PM
 

So anyway, less remains more. Your base is your best plays, not your most tired. And if your vanilla is ineffective, that should be more concerning than less.
Said a few years ago by Smartfootball... 

http://smartfootball.com/offense/why-every-team-should-apply-the-constraint-theory-of-offense#sthash.trcGETK0.dpbs
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on August 04, 2019, 09:36:21 PM
We got a couple of bird feeders for the back patio this year. 

Hummingbirds are assholes. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on August 04, 2019, 11:05:28 PM
I know they like sugar water or jelly but according to my neighbor not jam/preserves
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 06, 2019, 06:33:11 AM
We had three hummers at our house in Cincy.  I THINK they were related as they would rarely fight each other, they'd usually take turns.  I would often sit with a book near their feeder and they didn't much like me, they'd hover 5 feet away as if I was supposed to move.  The finally got used to me and ignored me.

The wife was hoping to attract some here but I didn't know if they'd get up this high, but one has found her flowers.  One is a bright red large flower the hummer seems to like, I forget the name of the plant, something tropical as it has to come in in winter.  Hibiscus is what it is.  My brain isn't quite a dead as I thought.

(https://i.imgur.com/TM55Lua.png)

She also has a plumeria from Hawaii that is growing nicely, but small flowers.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on August 06, 2019, 08:23:09 AM
Said a few years ago by Smartfootball...

http://smartfootball.com/offense/why-every-team-should-apply-the-constraint-theory-of-offense#sthash.trcGETK0.dpbs
Good article thanx,but a lot of that would be based on the QB's ability to read/audibilize correctly and change it up in time 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 06, 2019, 10:03:58 AM
the type of QB Frost wants

he and the stogie smoking QB guru call them, "quick blinkers"
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on August 06, 2019, 11:35:36 AM
Good article thanx,but a lot of that would be based on the QB's ability to read/audibilize correctly and change it up in time
Actually, it's more of a playcalling issue by the OC in the booth. 

You have your "bread and butter" offense. The things that work against base defenses. If you're successful running those, there's no reason to switch it up. If the OC notices the defense "cheating" to take those away, he has play calls designed to beat those cheats. The simplest example is a play-action pass. If a team is playing disciplined defense, the safeties will remain back until it is 100% clear that the play is a run, and thus they can still cover if it's a pass. Play-action isn't a great playcall against a disciplined defense. But if a team has been getting gashed by the run and the safeties start biting hard to support the LBs against the run, the OC in the booth will be able to see that and the play-action is the perfect exploit. 

Now, if you have a QB who is ALSO adept at audibles, it can help, because if the QB and OC are on the same page, the QB can see things in real time and check into plays designed to beat the cheats. 

But even without the QB doing it pre-snap, the OC can make calls designed to burn a defense for trying to cheat and take away the bread and butter. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on August 06, 2019, 11:42:46 AM
So anyway, less remains more. Your base is your best plays, not your most tired. And if your vanilla is ineffective, that should be more concerning than less.
Thanks for the opus, BAB. I enjoyed that. And the closer, I think, is what fans are getting at when they complain -- not whether the base is often called but whether the base is any good. 

[Edit]

Ah! there are two more aspects I'd like to see you touch upon: timing of play calls (in which ways it matters) and pattern-breaking.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 06, 2019, 12:11:54 PM
How many options does a QB typically have when he comes up to the line?  Does he call 2-3 plays in the huddle?

I see him wiggle his fingers at the RB often, does that perhaps change whether he goes left or right?

I presume having a QB like a Jake Fromm is a huge advantage in this area.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on August 06, 2019, 01:04:34 PM
Thanks for the opus, BAB. I enjoyed that. And the closer, I think, is what fans are getting at when they complain -- not whether the base is often called but whether the base is any good.
I thought this was also well discussed in the Smartfootball post... 

Basically they say that the idea of going to constraint plays is what you do when the defense is cheating to take your base away.

However, if the other team is just better than you, and they can beat your base offense with base defense, well then constraint plays aren't going to help. It'll beat those too. 

Your base "not being any good" could be due to a lot of reasons...

At the college level, a big one isn't even offensive design but practice time and execution. I consider this to be a lot of the problem with the Purdue team under Hazell/Shoop. Shoop had an incredibly complex playbook. Maybe it was even really good. But I think most of the reason the offense sucked was not because his offensive concepts were faulty, but because the playbook was too complex and the team couldn't adequately practice it enough to make it automatic. You don't need to worry about the defense beating you if you can't even execute it yourself.

This was one of the big things that Leach did. He simplified everything. He would often teach his receivers their route trees only from the left side of the offense or the right side. Yeah, it led to less misdirection, but it made sure they made effective use of practice. It was one of the big things that Chip Kelly did. The "hurry up" offensive pace meant that they could get more actual play reps in during active practice hours than other teams. It then had a benefit on game day too, but it was a very simple offense executed well because it could be practiced more thoroughly in limited hours than others.

The Badgers get this. They have an identity. They are going to run the ball down your throat until you stop it. It's not a complicated offense. It's mostly the same concepts. But it's well-practiced and well-executed. And outside of a handful of helmet teams, NOBODY can stop it without loading the box and selling out against the run. They don't want or care about throwing the ball, but once a team starts selling out against the run, they'll burn you with the pass. It's one of the perfect teams IMHO to show the base/constraint interplay. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on August 06, 2019, 02:15:40 PM
That's a good addition. Many fans look at "execution" excuses as a cop out. But it's clear that aside from inspiring (effort and confidence), coaching is mostly about teaching (downloading an idea into a kid's brain with high fidelity [no confusion] and then facilitating its mastery). That all precedes offensive style and playcalls, I take it.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on August 06, 2019, 02:17:26 PM
Ah, another thing I'd like to cover:

Putting a defender in conflict -- acknowledging when a defender's responsibilities cannot be simultaneously performed, then make him pick one which can often mean make him pick incorrectly.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 06, 2019, 02:21:54 PM
or better yet, in a RPO cause the defender in conflict to pick and then in the blink of an eye option to the weakness of the defender
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on August 06, 2019, 03:28:56 PM
As an offensive coordinator, Paul Chryst would show a lot of different looks that ran the same plays, looking for ways to trick the defense and for learning the defenses' cheats. One criticism of him was that he went to the trickery too soon (see TCU Rose Bowl), rather than just waiting for a defense to stop him first. Bielema infamously told him not to throw the ball again against (I think) Michigan in a game where the Badgers were gashing Michigan on the ground. 

So while I generally agree with your thesis that the Badgers are good at relying on their base ground game, I think Chryst is more creative than people give him credit for, sometimes to a fault.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on August 06, 2019, 03:36:31 PM

But even without the QB doing it pre-snap, the OC can make calls designed to burn a defense for trying to cheat and take away the bread and butter.
I get that but alot of it is simultaneous.What if a play called for that and the Defense reads it or doesn't decide to cheat.Then you need a good QB audiblizing.If the defense is ignorantly doing the same shit then yes.Damn we all should have gotten into coaching or sports journalism
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on August 06, 2019, 03:58:02 PM

I get that but alot of it is simultaneous.What if a play called for that and the Defense reads it or doesn't decide to cheat.Then you need a good QB audiblizing.If the defense is ignorantly doing the same shit then yes.Damn we all should have gotten into coaching or sports journalism
At the college level, it's not common to find a heavy degree of called audibles by the QB. The teams don't have enough practice/film time, the QBs are typically not capable of it, and the OCs are not willing to give up that amount of freedom. There are exceptions, of course, but IMHO not too many. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 06, 2019, 04:13:35 PM
agreed and this has obviously changed over the years.  QBs used to make more audible calls

this is more evident at the NFL level where the QB used to call nearly the entire the game back in the 60s and 70s, but don't make many calls at all today
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on August 06, 2019, 04:57:13 PM
As an offensive coordinator, Paul Chryst would show a lot of different looks that ran the same plays, looking for ways to trick the defense and for learning the defenses' cheats. One criticism of him was that he went to the trickery too soon (see TCU Rose Bowl), rather than just waiting for a defense to stop him first. Bielema infamously told him not to throw the ball again against (I think) Michigan in a game where the Badgers were gashing Michigan on the ground.

So while I generally agree with your thesis that the Badgers are good at relying on their base ground game, I think Chryst is more creative than people give him credit for, sometimes to a fault.
I remember that Rose Bowl game well.  TCU was not in the Big 12 at the time, and I was rooting for the Badgers.  I didn't understand why Wisconsin was throwing the ball around when they should have been mashing TCU by running between the tackles.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: mcwterps1 on August 06, 2019, 10:07:23 PM
Big blow as WR Jeshaun Jones tears his ACL. 

Out for the year. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on August 06, 2019, 10:18:39 PM
I remember that Rose Bowl game well.  TCU was not in the Big 12 at the time, and I was rooting for the Badgers.  I didn't understand why Wisconsin was throwing the ball around when they should have been mashing TCU by running between the tackles.
Y'all are trying to give me a coronary. I know it. 

The damnedest thing about that game. UW ran the ball. A lot. Like if you go back and sit though and watch the plays in sequence, it mostly makes sense. A lot went wrong in that game, but when you take it apart piece by piece, it's not really that way at all.

(TCU did well in the red zone, won FP in the second half, got a lot of last line of defense tackles and an outrageous game from Carder, plus Andy Dalton sort of beat them senseless. All in a low-possession game that made those foibles on the edges more damning) 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on August 06, 2019, 10:20:27 PM
As an offensive coordinator, Paul Chryst would show a lot of different looks that ran the same plays, looking for ways to trick the defense and for learning the defenses' cheats. One criticism of him was that he went to the trickery too soon (see TCU Rose Bowl), rather than just waiting for a defense to stop him first. Bielema infamously told him not to throw the ball again against (I think) Michigan in a game where the Badgers were gashing Michigan on the ground.

So while I generally agree with your thesis that the Badgers are good at relying on their base ground game, I think Chryst is more creative than people give him credit for, sometimes to a fault.
He is creative, but you need an eye for it. He also dials up some passing concepts that I think are slightly on the advanced side. He can be a little too heavy on running on run downs and passing on pass downs, though sometimes it works out just fine. 

Granted, when he wants to get weird, that offense can get kinda broad.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on August 06, 2019, 10:21:49 PM
How many options does a QB typically have when he comes up to the line?  Does he call 2-3 plays in the huddle?

I see him wiggle his fingers at the RB often, does that perhaps change whether he goes left or right?

I presume having a QB like a Jake Fromm is a huge advantage in this area.
Depends the offense. Some come out with two plays. I think some teams tweak back alignment left or right, but not sure how that function with blocking going one way or another. 

Then again, you can have an RPO with inside run/fade/screen all in one play all with a couple clean pre- or post-snap reads. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: GopherRock on August 06, 2019, 10:47:43 PM
I remember that Rose Bowl game well.  TCU was not in the Big 12 at the time, and I was rooting for the Badgers.  I didn't understand why Wisconsin was throwing the ball around when they should have been mashing TCU by running between the tackles.
I also remember that Rose Bowl because Bret burned a timeout early in the 3rd quarter for no apparent purpose other than to scream at the head lineman the whole timeout. Turns out Wisconsin could have used that TO at the end of the game.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 07, 2019, 07:48:47 AM
Depends the offense. Some come out with two plays. I think some teams tweak back alignment left or right, but not sure how that function with blocking going one way or another.

Then again, you can have an RPO with inside run/fade/screen all in one play all with a couple clean pre- or post-snap reads.

It sounds complicated to me, especially with blocking assignments, the number of possible plays in the Book, etc.  I wonder how often some player "doesn't get the word" and runs the wrong route, or breaks off differently, or blocks their own player, etc.

Maybe simple execution is more important that "we" often realize.  Simple execution.  Same on defense.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on August 07, 2019, 12:14:17 PM
Athlon gets Big Ten coaches to anonymously comment on other Big Ten schools:

https://athlonsports.com/college-football/big-ten-coaches-talk-anonymously-about-conference-foes-2019
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 07, 2019, 12:37:19 PM
Athlon gets Big Ten coaches to anonymously comment on other Big Ten schools:

https://athlonsports.com/college-football/big-ten-coaches-talk-anonymously-about-conference-foes-2019
Heh. I will bet a month's pay that Paul Chryst said absolutely nothing on this thing. He barely says anything, to anyone.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on August 07, 2019, 12:53:22 PM
Y'all are trying to give me a coronary. I know it.

The damnedest thing about that game. UW ran the ball. A lot. Like if you go back and sit though and watch the plays in sequence, it mostly makes sense. A lot went wrong in that game, but when you take it apart piece by piece, it's not really that way at all.

(TCU did well in the red zone, won FP in the second half, got a lot of last line of defense tackles and an outrageous game from Carder, plus Andy Dalton sort of beat them senseless. All in a low-possession game that made those foibles on the edges more damning)
The Badgers did run the ball a lot, but in a game with not that many possessions, there were enough head scratching play calls based on down and distance, particularly in the first half, to question why the Badgers didn't stick to a more limited game plan. And you are absolutely right that Carder and Dalton, and a great job by TCU's defense made a big difference.
 
And in the end, I'll take Chryst, with whatever faults he has.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 07, 2019, 12:57:48 PM
Athlon gets Big Ten coaches to anonymously comment on other Big Ten schools:

https://athlonsports.com/college-football/big-ten-coaches-talk-anonymously-about-conference-foes-2019
always interesting

usually nothing crazy, sounds more like what the folks on this board say

did the coaches get asked for their predictions on the division winners like the media?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on August 07, 2019, 01:17:04 PM
Heh. I will bet a month's pay that Paul Chryst said absolutely nothing on this thing. He barely says anything, to anyone.
Numbers wise, I expect that most of the quotes come from assistant coaches. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 07, 2019, 01:18:51 PM
The Badgers did run the ball a lot, but in a game with not that many possessions, there were enough head scratching play calls based on down and distance, particularly in the first half, to question why the Badgers didn't stick to a more limited game plan. And you are absolutely right that Carder and Dalton, and a great job by TCU's defense made a big difference.
 
And in the end, I'll take Chryst, with whatever faults he has.
Nick Toon dropped that sure TD pass. That game looks a lot different is he makes that catch and scores.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on August 07, 2019, 01:27:25 PM
Big blow as WR Jeshaun Jones tears his ACL.

Out for the year.
Damn sorry to hear that
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on August 07, 2019, 01:36:57 PM
I also remember that Rose Bowl because Bret burned a timeout early in the 3rd quarter for no apparent purpose other than to scream at the head lineman the whole timeout. Turns out Wisconsin could have used that TO at the end of the game.
That game vs TCU was one of the most poorly mismanaged(time wise) last 5 minutes of any game I've seen.And remember discussing it on the old board.Bert just kept huddling up with time flying out the door.Didn't go to the H.U.N.H at all until too late.The Camp Randall Board was ablaze
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on August 07, 2019, 02:03:08 PM
Bret's late game management (clock management, play calling, and inability to control his temper) cost UW the MSU game in 2008.

Well that and a phantom holding call.  ;)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on August 07, 2019, 03:50:55 PM
Bret's late game management (clock management, play calling, and inability to control his temper) cost UW the MSU game in 2008.

Well that and a phantom holding call.  ;)
I remember this even more than the mismanagement at the end of the TCU game. 2008 was such a mess for the Badgers. Talk about squandering talent and a failure of leadership (at all levels).
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on August 07, 2019, 04:01:26 PM
You don't need to remind me. That was Rodriguez's first and worst year: 3-9. And I don't need to remind you guys about one of those three. Terrible football on all sides. And UW had it comfortably until ... somehow it didn't. No matter one's rooting interests, though, I hope anyone can admit that long Steven Threet run was hilarious.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: mcwterps1 on August 07, 2019, 05:18:48 PM
Ron Zook hired as Senior Defensive Analyst. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on August 07, 2019, 05:25:59 PM
You don't need to remind me. That was Rodriguez's first and worst year: 3-9. And I don't need to remind you guys about one of those three. Terrible football on all sides. And UW had it comfortably until ... somehow it didn't. No matter one's rooting interests, though, I hope anyone can admit that long Steven Threet run was hilarious.
There is no better example of why I'm always pessimistic about the Badgers chances in Ann Arbor than 2008. Sigh. That Michigan team SUCKED, and the Badgers were up, what, 19-0 at the half? Augh.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 07, 2019, 05:32:45 PM
There is no better example of why I'm always pessimistic about the Badgers chances in Ann Arbor than 2008. Sigh. That Michigan team SUCKED, and the Badgers were up, what, 19-0 at the half? Augh.
Should have been more like 35-0. Field goals don't get you there on the road. That 2008 team was crap though. Glad BB was able to turn things around for himself and his team the following year.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 07, 2019, 05:47:39 PM
OT, I'm drinking a Sam Adams Boston Lager.  Pretty solid stuff IMHO.

I bought some Evan Williams Single Barrel yesterday and had a finger last night, not bad.  I still prefer Woodford, but it's good, spicier.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on August 07, 2019, 06:15:37 PM
OT, I'm drinking a Sam Adams Boston Lager.  Pretty solid stuff IMHO.

I bought some Evan Williams Single Barrel yesterday and had a finger last night, not bad.  I still prefer Woodford, but it's good, spicier.
Ever try Sam Adams Boston Ale?  I like it better than the lager.  Probably because it's less hoppy.  To me, the lager is just a tad over-hopped.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on August 07, 2019, 06:24:35 PM
Ever try Sam Adams Boston Ale?  I like it better than the lager.  Probably because it's less hoppy.  To me, the lager is just a tad over-hopped.
The Boston Ale is a tasty beer, way better than the Boston lager.  I think that's twice today I've agreed with you, I better log off lest I make it thrice. ;)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 07, 2019, 06:30:52 PM
Ever try Sam Adams Boston Ale?  I like it better than the lager.  Probably because it's less hoppy.  To me, the lager is just a tad over-hopped.
Yes, I prefer it also, but I have not found it for years and years.


Random photos of the 'hood.

(https://i.imgur.com/gDWbXDH.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/S6BUzen.jpg)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on August 07, 2019, 06:43:05 PM
OT, I'm drinking a Sam Adams Boston Lager.  Pretty solid stuff IMHO.

I bought some Evan Williams Single Barrel yesterday and had a finger last night, not bad.  I still prefer Woodford, but it's good, spicier.
I think Boston Lager is a really good beer. Quite enjoyable. Rarely buy it because there are SO many others available, but when I'm in a place full of macro taps, I'm always happy to see that old standby. Never had the Boston Ale though. 

A few years ago a friend got married at Buffalo Trace. My wife and I got to visit Evan Williams (in downtown Louisville), then drove out to Four Roses and Woodford the day before the wedding. I preferred both Four Roses and Buffalo Trace to either Evan Williams or Woodford though. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on August 07, 2019, 07:45:34 PM
OT, I'm drinking a Sam Adams Boston Lager.  Pretty solid stuff IMHO.

I bought some Evan Williams Single Barrel yesterday and had a finger last night, not bad.  I still prefer Woodford, but it's good, spicier.
DOOD,just finished a S.A.Lager,also when I'm done with George Dickel  I'm locked into EW.Lots a good reviews at a decent price,can't find any Weller 12
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on August 07, 2019, 09:39:18 PM
Yes, I prefer it also, but I have not found it for years and years.


Random photos of the 'hood.

(https://i.imgur.com/gDWbXDH.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/S6BUzen.jpg)
If you look at the first pic from the treeline upward, it looks a bit like an old chromolith (?) postcard from a century ago.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MichiFan87 on August 07, 2019, 10:42:17 PM
It's interesting the resemblance of Atlanta's skyline to a mashup of Philadelphia and Baltimore. That may just be a coincidence, though....
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: mcwterps1 on August 07, 2019, 11:39:27 PM
Yes, I prefer it also, but I have not found it for years and years.


Random photos of the 'hood.

[img width=273.429 height=333]https://i.imgur.com/gDWbXDH.jpg[/img]

[img width=273.429 height=498]https://i.imgur.com/S6BUzen.jpg[/img]
That's your view? 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 08, 2019, 07:07:28 AM
That's a view of the park and midtown from the east.  We live in midtown, so it's our reverse view, taken from a drone.  Downtown ATL is off to the left out of frame.

We somehow missed this event, probably were traveling.  There is something going on almost every weekend there.  Incidentally, that field is where UGA played Auburn in 1895.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 08, 2019, 09:07:59 AM
I think Boston Lager is a really good beer. Quite enjoyable. Rarely buy it because there are SO many others available, but when I'm in a place full of macro taps, I'm always happy to see that old standby. Never had the Boston Ale though.

A few years ago a friend got married at Buffalo Trace. My wife and I got to visit Evan Williams (in downtown Louisville), then drove out to Four Roses and Woodford the day before the wedding. I preferred both Four Roses and Buffalo Trace to either Evan Williams or Woodford though.
Boston Lager is one of my favorite stand bys as well.

The ale is also good

Sam Adams makes good stuff all around
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on August 08, 2019, 12:00:06 PM
Those pics remind me to issue a public service bucket list item.  The Intl Balloon Fiesta in Albuquerque in early October.   Wonderful experience.  Gotta get up super early for the fun, the mass ascension but it is fantastic scene.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 08, 2019, 12:08:48 PM
maybe in a few years when I'm retired much nearer to Albuquerque

Actually my Uncle is a photographer in Durango, CO.  He's been to the event many times.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on August 08, 2019, 12:15:01 PM
Those pics remind me to issue a public service bucket list item.  The Intl Balloon Fiesta in Albuquerque in early October.  Wonderful experience.  Gotta get up super early for the fun, the mass ascension but it is fantastic scene.
My aunt and her family live in Albuquerque, I've been lucky enough to see the balloon fiesta a couple of times.  It really is a sight to behold!
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on August 08, 2019, 12:40:08 PM
Those pics remind me to issue a public service bucket list item.  The Intl Balloon Fiesta in Albuquerque in early October.  Wonderful experience.  Gotta get up super early for the fun, the mass ascension but it is fantastic scene.
I'm oddly going to be in Albuquerque next September, and will just miss it.

No clue when, if ever, I'll make it back
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on August 08, 2019, 12:49:37 PM
Those pics remind me to issue a public service bucket list item.  The Intl Balloon Fiesta in Albuquerque in early October.  Wonderful experience.  Gotta get up super early for the fun, the mass ascension but it is fantastic scene.
My wife spent a few years studying in Albuquerque. She gets kind of googly in the eyes when talking about that balloon festival.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on August 08, 2019, 08:41:33 PM
I see Tessitore has to anchor these summer time silly shows on ABC primetime.   So glad he was banished from college football.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on August 10, 2019, 02:20:09 PM
31# of pork shoulder on the Kamado Joe before 7 AM. Gonna be a good day.

Running the smoker around 325-350, so they'll be ready by dinnertime. 


(https://scontent-lax3-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/89faac8a52c54f5b0f88fbfb8ea5926c/5DEA2C59/t51.2885-15/e35/66855001_450695352184730_2149637086739902443_n.jpg?_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-1.cdninstagram.com)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on August 10, 2019, 02:56:48 PM
You don't need to remind me. That was Rodriguez's first and worst year: 3-9. And I don't need to remind you guys about one of those three. Terrible football on all sides. And UW had it comfortably until ... somehow it didn't. No matter one's rooting interests, though, I hope anyone can admit that long Steven Threet run was hilarious.
UW  had a bad QB, and a pretty overrated running back who had a garbage game, and a secretly overrated offensive line.

Wisconsin missed chances a good offense wouldn’t, then the wolverine offense got moving a little against a defense destined to play well below its talent level, and then the offense gave away some free points. There was also a plan to hold back the top offensive playmaker, and then he was rushed in when the game was close.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on August 10, 2019, 06:17:36 PM
31# of pork shoulder on the Kamado Joe before 7 AM. Gonna be a good day.

Running the smoker around 325-350, so they'll be ready by dinnertime.


(https://scontent-lax3-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/89faac8a52c54f5b0f88fbfb8ea5926c/5DEA2C59/t51.2885-15/e35/66855001_450695352184730_2149637086739902443_n.jpg?_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-1.cdninstagram.com)
Jeebis you cooking for the offensive Line?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 12, 2019, 07:51:29 AM
Bought some ribs at Kroger, going to try them in the Insta-Pot and see what happens.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on August 12, 2019, 08:23:13 AM
Ribs work well in a pressure cooker, should be fine.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 12, 2019, 10:28:29 AM
https://www.facebook.com/secshorts/videos/871902069859714/ (https://www.facebook.com/secshorts/videos/871902069859714/)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 12, 2019, 11:11:56 AM
nice
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on August 12, 2019, 02:02:31 PM
Jeebis you cooking for the offensive Line?
LOL... Fed the entire crowd (12 adults, 9 kids) with just one of the 4 butts, and had leftover to send home as a care package to my wife's brother-in-law who didn't make it due to recent knee surgery.

But I shredded all the rest, packed them up in 1# increments in food saver bags, and sent them to the freezer. We use pulled pork in a bunch of other dishes, so it's good to have on hand. Or even for sandwiches if we want to just defrost a bag for a quick easy meal. Obviously there was a lot of weight loss during the cook, but I think we ended up with about 11-12 frozen bags for future use. 

The way I look at it is the same way I look at brewing beer. It's basically the same amount of work to cook 4 butts (Costco sells in 2-packs, so I buy two of those) as it is to cook 2. Just as it's basically the same amount of work to brew a 10-gallon batch of beer as it is to brew a 5-gallon batch. The increase in labor doesn't go up anywhere near linearly.

So if I'm going to fire up the smoker, spend my time, use up a bunch of charcoal, etc, I might as well make it as worthwhile as possible. I have [barely] the freezer space, so why not?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on August 12, 2019, 02:05:33 PM
https://www.facebook.com/secshorts/videos/871902069859714/ (https://www.facebook.com/secshorts/videos/871902069859714/)
:57:
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on August 12, 2019, 03:11:53 PM
ouch
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 12, 2019, 03:17:49 PM
Those folks are pretty creative ...
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on August 12, 2019, 03:27:58 PM
Those folks are pretty creative ...
They are SEC football fans, it's not like they have jobs eating up their time.

:88:
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on August 12, 2019, 04:58:27 PM
LOL... Fed the entire crowd (12 adults, 9 kids) with just one of the 4 butts, and had leftover to send home as a care package to my wife's brother-in-law who didn't make it due to recent knee surgery.
That guy's cardiologist is gonna love you.Smoked Pork to a guy that can't work it off.Might as well send a couple of growlers of Gose over there for him too
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 12, 2019, 08:10:50 PM
SI doesn't know everything and it's just another person's opinion, but one more vote for the Husker's helmet status


https://www.si.com/college-football/2019/best-programs-college-football-history (https://www.si.com/college-football/2019/best-programs-college-football-history)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on August 12, 2019, 08:36:05 PM
Are we still welcoming Nebraska to the Big Ten?That thread ran for like for 3 years thanx to a certain long winded Bug Eater.It was almost as bad as Sun Devil Froggy's avatar.....almost
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 12, 2019, 08:39:42 PM
someone deleted the thread

I looked for it a couple years ago
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on August 12, 2019, 08:48:19 PM
Don't think the archives went back too many pages.Would have loved to dig up the Big 12 archived banter circa 2004-2011.Combination of Point-Counter Point,National Lampoon,Crossfire and Roller Derby.Would be recommended reading if saved/found
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on August 12, 2019, 08:52:49 PM
SI doesn't know everything and it's just another person's opinion, but one more vote for the Husker's helmet status


https://www.si.com/college-football/2019/best-programs-college-football-history (https://www.si.com/college-football/2019/best-programs-college-football-history)
The article did not give what criteria were used, and how they were weighted, to arrive at its results, but the results seem questionable to me.
Naturally, what stands out to me is OU #10, with Tennessee, Penn State, Nebraska and Texas ranked higher.  I see total wins mentioned, along with national championships.
Total wins matters, but so does winning percentage. One stat favors longevity, the other performance. When considering 150 years, longevity does matter.  But does what teams did in the 1880s matter as much as what they did in the 1980s?
So, OU has more wins and a higher winning percentage than Penn State, as well as more conference championships and more national championships. Admittedly, Penn State was an independent for most of its history, but that is a factor that can cut both ways.  OU leads head-to-head 2-0 FWIW.
Compared to Tennessee, OU has more wins, a higher winning percentage, more conference championships, and more national championships.  OU leads head-to-head 3-1, FWIW.
Compared to Nebraska, OU has more wins (by 1), a higher winning percentage, more conference championships, more national championships, and the better head-to-head record 45-38-3.
Sooner homer that I am, I think that OU has accomplished a bit more than Texas on the national stage.  OU has 12 fewer wins, 45 fewer losses, and 20 more ties, so a higher winning percentage.  OU has more conference championships and more national championships, while Texas leads the head-to-head 62-47-5.  If someone wants to argue that that puts Texas ahead, I can accept that.  But Texas #4 and OU #10?  No way.
Just considering the AP Poll era, CFN put out the following from its analysis of 137 programs.

RankTeamsPointsPrevious Rank
1Oklahoma11821
2Alabama10622
3Ohio State10523
4Michigan9854
5Notre Dame9755
6USC8326
7Texas7898
8Nebraska7837
9Penn State69410
10Tennessee6869

I don't agree with this one either.  Nick Saban has put Alabama firmly ahead of everyone else, it seems to me, but the AP Poll has treated OU very well over the decades.  Without regard to how this list was created vs. how the SI list was created, I'd take this one, drop OU to about 5th, and consider the list to be at least in the ball park.
Of course, this is just one man's opinion too. ;)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on August 12, 2019, 09:01:06 PM
Golderned Dirt Burglar - don't you have some puppy's to kick?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 12, 2019, 09:20:42 PM
I would rank the Sooners ahead of the Huskers, probably why I wasn't a part of the "Prick Squad"
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on August 12, 2019, 09:31:13 PM
I would rank the Sooners ahead of the Huskers, probably why I wasn't a part of the "Prick Squad"
Go back to 1999 and there would be no doubt that the Huskers should be ahead of the Sooners.  The 21st century has not been kind to Big Red.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 12, 2019, 10:00:55 PM
I can agree with 1999.  Was very close. either fan would have a good argument

sure wish we would have played in 98 and 99, series might have been about even at the end of 99

but Stoops got things going in 2000 and Solich's slide started after 2001
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on August 12, 2019, 11:11:33 PM
I can agree with 1999.  Was very close. either fan would have a good argument

sure wish we would have played in 98 and 99, series might have been about even at the end of 99

but Stoops got things going in 2000 and Solich's slide started after 2001
Yep.  The Huskers would have racked up two more wins!
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 12, 2019, 11:18:51 PM
it's possible

perhaps even probable
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on August 12, 2019, 11:19:30 PM
Perhaps a near-certainty.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 13, 2019, 07:09:50 AM
Virtually a sure thing.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on August 13, 2019, 10:08:23 AM
60% of the time, it works every time. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on August 13, 2019, 03:14:13 PM
Oldest starts high school tomorrow. Interesting, that.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on August 13, 2019, 03:31:56 PM
Oldest starts high school tomorrow. Interesting, that.
Oldest starts kindergarten next week
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 13, 2019, 03:39:35 PM
youngest starts her last fall (football) semester at UNL

fingers crossed for a solid season - 8 or 9 wins would do it
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on August 13, 2019, 03:43:11 PM
I dropped kids at the bus stop today.  New driver,  She took them to the wrong school.  Ha.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 13, 2019, 04:37:19 PM
she doesn't have a smart phone with GPS???
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on August 13, 2019, 04:39:47 PM
She had the coordinates for the wrong school punched in
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on August 13, 2019, 05:34:29 PM
In fairness there are 3 schools on the property.   They look similar.  I'm sure the kids were hollering at her.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 14, 2019, 09:47:16 AM
The article did not give what criteria were used, and how they were weighted, to arrive at its results, but the results seem questionable to me.
Naturally, what stands out to me is OU #10, with Tennessee, Penn State, Nebraska and Texas ranked higher.  I see total wins mentioned, along with national championships.



Hail Varsity did NOT agree...

https://hailvarsity.com/s/7430/hot-reads-the-race-to-900-wins?fbclid=IwAR2ChovKKNe-a0sPGRZyQXEhoZWczOiBep344vE4ZI2XjFvMJkkWEBaaDIw (https://hailvarsity.com/s/7430/hot-reads-the-race-to-900-wins?fbclid=IwAR2ChovKKNe-a0sPGRZyQXEhoZWczOiBep344vE4ZI2XjFvMJkkWEBaaDIw)

Had that moment on Monday with Sports Illustrated's ranking of "The Greatest Programs in College Football History.” This was a countdown with no context provided and my record-scratch moment happened one team into the list.

Oklahoma led things off at No. 10. You can't put Oklahoma at No. 10. Just can't.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on August 14, 2019, 03:12:47 PM
Oldest starts middle school tomorrow.

Or what we used to call "junior high" although our junior high was only 7th and 8th, and middle school is 6-7-8.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 14, 2019, 03:23:28 PM
My youngest just got married. The oldest is in his '30's. 

I have zero payroll, and I like it.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on August 14, 2019, 03:46:49 PM
Our payroll has only just begun.  It was nice having some spending money the past couple decades.  Looks like I'll be making bathtub gin and whatnot for at least the next 15 years...
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 14, 2019, 04:04:49 PM
it's over before you know it.......... enjoy the next couple decades
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 14, 2019, 04:25:32 PM
I just got my Medicare card, first time.  The wife laughed at me.  Hurt my feelings.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 14, 2019, 04:28:11 PM
If I could get a Medicare Card I might be able to retire

I want one!
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 14, 2019, 04:31:58 PM
The good news is my health insurance drops from $235 a month to $91 a month, the part I pay for retiree health insurance.

The bad news is I hafta pay the guvmint $406 every three months for Medicare, and I am getting barraged with mail about Part whatever.  There must be a lot of money in these supplemental health insurance plans.  Even Joe Namath is in on it.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 14, 2019, 04:40:09 PM
I'm probably too cheap and despise insurance companies too much to purchase supplemental
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on August 14, 2019, 04:55:17 PM
it's over before you know it.......... enjoy the next couple decades
Amen, brutha.  I make an effort to cherish the kids at every age.  Every time I think it can't get any better, it does.  And as much as I miss them as tinys, I absolutely love their maturity and independence at ages (almost) 10 and 12.

And it's not as bad as I'm making it sound.  We've been financially blessed in recent years, things are going well for us, no complaints.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 14, 2019, 05:48:44 PM
If I could get a Medicare Card I might be able to retire

I want one!
You could move to Illinois, not work, and get Medicaid. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 14, 2019, 06:12:48 PM
Badger made an excellent point here years ago about not "wishing away the summer" to get to CFB season.  Of course, the more we wish something would get here faster, the slower it seems to get here.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on August 14, 2019, 06:22:59 PM
Hail Varsity did NOT agree...

https://hailvarsity.com/s/7430/hot-reads-the-race-to-900-wins?fbclid=IwAR2ChovKKNe-a0sPGRZyQXEhoZWczOiBep344vE4ZI2XjFvMJkkWEBaaDIw (https://hailvarsity.com/s/7430/hot-reads-the-race-to-900-wins?fbclid=IwAR2ChovKKNe-a0sPGRZyQXEhoZWczOiBep344vE4ZI2XjFvMJkkWEBaaDIw)

Had that moment on Monday with Sports Illustrated's ranking of "The Greatest Programs in College Football History.” This was a countdown with no context provided and my record-scratch moment happened one team into the list.

Oklahoma led things off at No. 10. You can't put Oklahoma at No. 10. Just can't.
Thanks, Fearless.

I'm on an OU board where that article will be welcome.  There are some posters there who are a bit irate at SI right now!  ;)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on August 14, 2019, 06:26:06 PM
it's over before you know it.......... enjoy the next couple decades
As someone far wiser than I said, "The days are long but the years are short."
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 14, 2019, 06:58:04 PM
Life is like a roll of toilet paper.

The closer you get to the end, the faster it goes.



- said someone
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on August 14, 2019, 07:15:14 PM
Life is like a roll of toilet paper.

The closer you get to the end, the faster it goes.



- said someone
Bear Bryant or General Neyland, probably.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on August 14, 2019, 07:51:40 PM
Bear Bryant or General Neyland, probably.

Toilet paper reference?  Definitely sounds more like Barry $witzer to me. :)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on August 14, 2019, 10:24:05 PM
Barry might have said it.  He might have gotten it from some guy from Hollis, OK, who played for OU in the late '40s.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on August 14, 2019, 10:37:30 PM
Toilet paper reference?  Definitely sounds more like Barry $witzer to me. :)
Yup if it was rolling papers we'd be referencing the BongHorns :cool2:
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on August 15, 2019, 11:02:56 AM
S - E - C!  S - E - C!  They were what?  3rd?  Groundbreaking!  Visionary!

https://twitter.com/MattHayesCFB/status/1161810973952499712


https://twitter.com/CFTalk/status/1161820353041182720
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 15, 2019, 11:06:57 AM
How did SEC N change anything forever?  It's a TV network.  Blech.

I'm glad it's there, but it's not something of major import.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on August 15, 2019, 11:07:37 AM
Oh boy, twitter wars!
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 15, 2019, 11:19:56 AM
The SEC "network" is just an ESPN channel that Disney forces customers to buy. So, let's just call it what it is.

ESecPN4.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on August 15, 2019, 11:28:26 AM
The SEC "network" is just an ESPN channel that Disney forces customers to buy. So, let's just call it what it is.

ESecPN4.
The BTN doesn't have any moral authority on the topic of making grandmothers pay for a channel they'll never watch. But yes the BTN broke ground first (by years).

The ESPN-affiliate part is interesting in terms of how the standard ESPN channels could be conflicted in their coverage of the SEC, but I'm not sure how big of a deal that is.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 15, 2019, 11:32:57 AM
The BTN doesn't have any moral authority on the topic of making grandmothers pay for a channel. But yes the BTN broke ground first (by years).

The ESPN-affiliate part is interesting in terms of how the standard ESPN channels could be conflicted in their coverage of the SEC, but I'm not sure how big of a deal that is.
In states where there are Big Ten teams, the channel is on basic, so yeah, people pay without choice.


That's not the case for ESecPN4. I have it, and it's not because I chose to have it. There is no SEC school in Illinois.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Kris60 on August 15, 2019, 11:59:23 AM
Just went across a little 50 cent toll bridge.  All I had was a 50 dollar bill and a few pennies in my console.  Old guy working the toll couldn’t break my fifty, acted miffed at me for not having anything smaller, and waved me on through with a grunt.

I had a similar incident in a parking lot a while back that didn’t take credit cards.  This has become a pet peeve of mine.  I’m trying to give you money.  If you want it bad enough either get with the times and put in a credit card machine or go to the damn bank and be prepared to make change.  

Rant over.  Lol.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on August 15, 2019, 12:26:24 PM
Badger made an excellent point here years ago about not "wishing away the summer" to get to CFB season.  Of course, the more we wish something would get here faster, the slower it seems to get here.


Ya like money,lotsa money
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on August 15, 2019, 12:52:36 PM
Just went across a little 50 cent toll bridge.  All I had was a 50 dollar bill and a few pennies in my console.  Old guy working the toll couldn’t break my fifty, acted miffed at me for not having anything smaller, and waved me on through with a grunt.

I had a similar incident in a parking lot a while back that didn’t take credit cards.  This has become a pet peeve of mine.  I’m trying to give you money.  If you want it bad enough either get with the times and put in a credit card machine or go to the damn bank and be prepared to make change. 

Rant over.  Lol.
I had a similar experience at a UPS store. The clerk asked for $1 because I didn't tape the free shipping label to the box myself. I printed it at work and came in with the label and box separate. I explained I didn't have a dollar, only a credit card. He was mad. Scoffed "Yeah right, like you don't even have $1." No, friend, I don't. But I have a credit card, if you want to run it. He taped it for free and I left confused. I'd never previously been charged for this service. And he had a credit card swiper but ignored it. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 15, 2019, 01:50:38 PM
Dude wanted to pocket a dollar, methinks.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on August 15, 2019, 01:56:07 PM
In states where there are Big Ten teams, the channel is on basic, so yeah, people pay without choice.


That's not the case for ESecPN4. I have it, and it's not because I chose to have it. There is no SEC school in Illinois.
It’s on basic cable, right? And SEC is in the better sports package? Or is that basic too?

Anyway, I’ve quasi cut the cord, but the economics will get to the point cable is equal. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 15, 2019, 01:57:13 PM
You could move to Illinois, not work, and get Medicaid.
you can do that in Iowa as well.  I found out through my daughter.  They almost forced her on Medicaid and she makes decent money serving and bartending at the Olive Garden.

And she's on my Health care insurance to boot!
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on August 15, 2019, 01:58:06 PM
I considered that. Seems 50/50 or better. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 15, 2019, 02:15:33 PM
From what I've seen, SEC-N is not in basic cable, and often not in the next Tier, but starts with the next 50 tiers after that.

I get is here, I usually forget the channel number.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 15, 2019, 03:03:49 PM
It’s on basic cable, right? And SEC is in the better sports package? Or is that basic too?

Anyway, I’ve quasi cut the cord, but the economics will get to the point cable is equal.
I don't have the sport package and I get it. Not the PAC or Longhorn though.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 15, 2019, 04:27:49 PM
The pool water today was the temperature of bath water.  The weather today was pretty nice, clear blue skies, low humidity, but the past two days were "bad".

Thank you Mister Carrier.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on August 15, 2019, 04:41:54 PM
I get the SECN but have a sports package to cover for the scattered games that don't show up on basic cable.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on August 15, 2019, 05:25:12 PM
The pool water today was the temperature of bath water.  The weather today was pretty nice, clear blue skies, low humidity, but the past two days were "bad".

Thank you Mister Carrier.
I've managed to avoid running the AC except for two days this summer. According to the googles it's 91 at my house right now, but will drop to 70 or below before bedtime, with a low of 61 tonight. With the windows open, that's bearable. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 15, 2019, 05:29:10 PM
Low here predicted to be 70°F tonight and tomorrow, high tomorrow 95°/50% and then 97°F/49%.  Dog days.

I think the 97°F will be the highest it's been in a few years.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on August 15, 2019, 05:32:02 PM
Yep. 32% humidity here. 

"It's a dry heat" doesn't work for me when you're talking about Phoenix or Vegas at 115 degrees, but I'll tell you that 90 degrees in CA is a LOT nicer than 80-85 in the Midwest or Southeast. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 15, 2019, 06:01:28 PM
I agree, I'd rather have 95°F and 25% RH than 85°F and 75% RH.

These "feels like" Ts they talk about are way off.  A nice breeze helps as well.  I've been in Vegas when it was mid-teens and 10% RH and it was oven hot.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on August 15, 2019, 06:03:15 PM
Yeah we had a really mild summer until about 2 weeks ago (mild in CenTex means no 100 degree days).  But now we're consistently hitting 100 the past 1.5 weeks and the next week or so.  Tis the season...

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on August 15, 2019, 06:20:27 PM
https://twitter.com/ESPN_BillC/status/1161053308146126848

Now I'm dwelling on that "dream" of adding UVa and Louisville. Now if they'd let us trade for Rutgers ...
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on August 15, 2019, 06:22:46 PM
For Michigan, I thought the all-time and 1970-until-now ranks didn't pass the sniff test at first. (The narrative is often crafted to claim Michigan was better pre-war than it has been lately, but this questions that)

https://twitter.com/ESPN_BillC/status/1160999367211438082

https://twitter.com/ESPN_BillC/status/1161002538126233600
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on August 15, 2019, 06:34:20 PM
Comparing Michigan and OSU is interesting for how similar their 10-year averages are. 

Each had one prolonged "golden era" (defined here by me as rolling 10-year average being a fixture of the 90+ percentile):



Each had one brief golden era:



Each had one era ranking the the 60th percentile:



Each had one era ranking the the 50th percentile:



https://twitter.com/ESPN_BillC/status/1161266150690492417

https://twitter.com/ESPN_BillC/status/1161831238543597569
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on August 15, 2019, 06:41:21 PM
Yeah we had a really mild summer until about 2 weeks ago (mild in CenTex means no 100 degree days).  But now we're consistently hitting 100 the past 1.5 weeks and the next week or so.  Tis the season...
So you're saying I shouldn't move to Austin?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 15, 2019, 06:44:52 PM
Kid #2 lives in New Braunfels south of Austin and was just here, said it was hotter there by a lot.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on August 15, 2019, 08:14:12 PM
Yeah we had a really mild summer until about 2 weeks ago (mild in CenTex means no 100 degree days).  But now we're consistently hitting 100 the past 1.5 weeks and the next week or so.  Tis the season...
Similar in NE Oklahoma.  We even had a record-low high temp a couple of weeks ago.  But about 7 of the last 10 days have been really hot and humid.  We had a 117 heat index Monday, and it was still at 100 at 9 pm.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MichiFan87 on August 15, 2019, 11:59:26 PM
Texas (ERCOT) hit an electricity demand record this week to the point that there was a risk of blackouts. That didn't happen, and they do have a lot of new generation in the works (wind, solar, and gas alike, along with energy storage). However, it goes to show that being a fully deregulated market (ie. utilities don't directly own any generation or have any customers - they're just responsible for the transmission & distribution infrastructure) does work for them, even without any real environmental policy (while having the most wind and fastest growing market for solar).... Of course, wind & solar isn't really a political issue in other Great Plains and Southwest states, as well..... Hopefully the Southeast will finally learn soon enough, but I'm not optimistic, except for Florida and North Carolina....
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Riffraft on August 16, 2019, 07:29:54 AM
Yep. 32% humidity here.

"It's a dry heat" doesn't work for me when you're talking about Phoenix or Vegas at 115 degrees, but I'll tell you that 90 degrees in CA is a LOT nicer than 80-85 in the Midwest or Southeast.
Living in Phoenix, anything below 110, it's dry heat works. I am at the airport heading to Birmingham for work. I am thinking 95 with 85% humidity is not going to be as nice as 108 with 15% humidity
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 16, 2019, 07:54:40 AM
Humidity is bad in summer, and wind is bad in winter, and both factors feel worse to me than what they claim on TV.

A still day at 10°F is not bad at all.  A windy wet day at 35°F can be awful.  The UGA-Tech game last fall was played at about 38°F and some wind (not that much) and occasional rain and it was pretty cold.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on August 16, 2019, 09:27:26 AM
Texas (ERCOT) hit an electricity demand record this week to the point that there was a risk of blackouts. That didn't happen, and they do have a lot of new generation in the works (wind, solar, and gas alike, along with energy storage). However, it goes to show that being a fully deregulated market (ie. utilities don't directly own any generation or have any customers - they're just responsible for the transmission & distribution infrastructure) does work for them, even without any real environmental policy (while having the most wind and fastest growing market for solar).... Of course, wind & solar isn't really a political issue in other Great Plains and Southwest states, as well..... Hopefully the Southeast will finally learn soon enough, but I'm not optimistic, except for Florida and North Carolina....
ERCOT does pretty well overall I think.  They have a LOT to manage.

They work really closely with businesses, especially EXTREMELY large businesses like the computer manufacturing company I work for.  On days like these, they'll send out warnings if they think the power grid is going to be stressed, and companies like mine will respond by shutting down entire building sites and asking employees to work from home.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 16, 2019, 09:32:17 AM
Kid #2 lives in New Braunfels south of Austin and was just here, said it was hotter there by a lot.


all the Texans say this, how long has Kid #2 been there?  Long enough to be brainwashed by the neighbors?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on August 16, 2019, 09:42:05 AM
all the Texans say this, how long has Kid #2 been there?  Long enough to be brainwashed by the neighbors?

Nah, you might be confusing us with the Kansans, who insist that Kansas is both the hottest and coldest place on the face of the earth at any given time.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on August 16, 2019, 09:43:45 AM
Living in Phoenix, anything below 110, it's dry heat works. I am at the airport heading to Birmingham for work. I am thinking 95 with 85% humidity is not going to be as nice as 108 with 15% humidity
95 with humidity over 75% is really brutal.  It's why Houston and New Orleans feel so much worse than Austin even when Austin is 5-10 degrees warmer on the thermometer.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 16, 2019, 10:00:57 AM
Kid 2 has been there four months or so, got a promotion to their HQ.  Making a lot of money nine years out of college, now working on MBA, already has law degree.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Riffraft on August 16, 2019, 11:17:06 AM
95 with humidity over 75% is really brutal.  It's why Houston and New Orleans feel so much worse than Austin even when Austin is 5-10 degrees warmer on the thermometer.
I was in killeen for work at the beginning of July and it was pretty bad
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: rolltidefan on August 16, 2019, 11:27:53 AM
supposed to be 98, but humidity dropping down into the low 40s/30s in ttown today, so we're getting this "dry heat" relatively speaking. tuesday it was 100, felt like 110. don't know what humidity was, but it wasn't low. a "cold" front brought rain that night a dropped it back down to mid 90s highs.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on August 16, 2019, 11:38:20 AM
I was in killeen for work at the beginning of July and it was pretty bad
Man the highest temp in Killeen for the first 2 weeks of July was only 97, and the average was maybe 93?  About half the days were only 91?  That's not bad at all.  

Like I said, mild summer, we didn't break 100 at my house until early August.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on August 16, 2019, 11:58:31 AM
"Hey guys, huddle up, I want to talk to you about money!"

"We getting paid coach?"

"Uh...no...we'd like you to consider making a donation to the school's athletic fund.  $50 is the minimum, but give whatever feels right to you."

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/louisiana-lafayette-scholarship-football-players-asked-to-donate-back-to-athletic-department-152859880.html (https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/louisiana-lafayette-scholarship-football-players-asked-to-donate-back-to-athletic-department-152859880.html)

I'll give this policy until Monday to go away?  How many idiots had to approve thinking this was a good idea?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on August 16, 2019, 12:07:51 PM

I'll give this policy until Monday to go away?  How many idiots had to approve thinking this was a good idea?
I dunno. Apparently these are people who didn't qualify academically for even SEC schools.

Let's go to the University President for comment:


(https://i.imgur.com/bAPwKSQ.png)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 16, 2019, 12:35:09 PM
Nah, you might be confusing us with the Kansans, who insist that Kansas is both the hottest and coldest place on the face of the earth at any given time.

I almost miss those Cats from Kansas
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on August 16, 2019, 12:41:23 PM
Comparing Michigan and OSU is interesting for how similar their 10-year averages are.

Each had one prolonged "golden era" (defined here by me as rolling 10-year average being a fixture of the 90+ percentile):

  • Michigan's lasted 30 years, with the rolling average getting there beginning in the mid-1970s.
  • OSU's is happening right now; it began after Tressel and likely has at least another decade of rolling average staying power

Each had one brief golden era:

  • Michigan's rolling average got there in the late 1940s and dropped off after a half-decade
  • OSU's rolling average got there in the late 1970s and dropped off after a half-decade

Each had one era ranking the the 60th percentile:

  • Michigan's lasted roughly one decade from ~1960 to ~1970.
  • OSU's lasted a few years in the late 1960s

Each had one era ranking the the 50th percentile:

  • Michigan's lasted a few years in the 1910s
  • OSU's lasted a few years around the late 1920s
I think you kinda brushed over the difference between Ohio State's and Michigan's lows. 

Ohio State was below the 70th percentile for four years in the late 1960's while for Michigan I count 18.  In addition to being more than 4x as long, Michigan's low was also worse bottoming out barely over the 60th percentile while Ohio State only barely fell below the 70th.  

As far as the rankings below the 60th percentile I think you missed on the dates.  Michigan's sub 60th percentile 10-year averages appear to be for the five ten year periods ending roughly in 1934-1938 not 1910's and Ohio State has four for the ten years ending in roughly 1928-1931.  

The thing that always stands out about Ohio State is the remarkable consistency.  A while back we were discussion Helmet status and @ELA (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=55) commented that one measure of helmet status to him is the ability to recover from a major drought and that it is impossible to evaluate Ohio State on this basis because they haven't had a major drought since before they ever were a helmet.  

Looking at the 10-year average from Connelly that you posted, Ohio State started (I assume 1919-1928) in the mid 60's, dropped briefly into the high 50's then quickly climbed into the 80's even BEFORE Paul Brown was hired.  Since they crossed into the 70's in the midst of the Great Depression (so ~80 years ago) Ohio State's 10-year average has only dropped below 70th percentile once, for four years in the mid-1960's right before going on an absolute tear that started with what Connelley noted as "Woody signs best recruiting class ever".  

I'm not entirely positive from the context but I think that he meant "best ever period", not "best ever at Ohio State".  The Super Sophomores of 1968 would have been 1967 recruits.  In their three years playing they won an NC as Sophomores, missed it by one game (Michigan upset) as Juniors, and missed by one game again as Seniors (RoseBowl upset).  

I don't mean this as a knock on Michigan or even a comparison to Michigan, I mean it as a comparison to every other school.  I noted above that in the last ~80 years Ohio State's 10-year average has only been below 70th percentile once, for four years.  Alabama's, for comparison, was below the 70th percentile for 21 years and below the 60th percentile for six years both right before the Bear.  Michigan similarly spent about 20 years below the 70th percentile right before Bo and they also had another extended period below the 70th percentile including five years below the 60th percentile in the 30's.  

It appears to me that Ohio State's worst 10 year stretch since the Great Depression was 1958-1967 which was completely within the Woody era and bookended by NC's in both 1957 and 1968.  

Generally, Ohio State doesn't have the highs of the other helmets.  Ohio State's best ever was a few years in the 70's during the Woody/Bo era and the recent past under Tressel and Meyer.  Both of those appear to top out at about 95th percentile or lower.  Michigan has three eras that at least match that (those ending in the late 1940's, mid 1970's, and the early 1990's) while Alabama has two periods that approach 100th percentile (one late in the Bear's tenure, the other now).  

Most of the other "helmets" have higher highs than the Buckeyes but nobody has "higher lows".  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 16, 2019, 12:56:25 PM
Cool. A Michigan/Ohio State thread. 


Good thing this one is about to close in 2 weeks...



:72:
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on August 16, 2019, 12:58:25 PM
Heh.

You gotta give the guys credit though, the threads that evolve into UM-tOSU threads have become quite a bit less common in recent years.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 16, 2019, 01:00:10 PM
Yeah, but I'm still stained from it all.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 16, 2019, 01:01:56 PM
At Medina brings a Bobs-like analysis to the discussion.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 16, 2019, 01:02:49 PM
it's @medinabuckeye1 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1547) 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: GopherRock on August 16, 2019, 01:51:01 PM
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/ogden_images/www.messengernews.net/images/2019/08/15230945/Floyd0-1100x819.jpg)

As seen at a roundabout in Fort Dodge, Iowa.

https://www.messengernews.net/news/local-news/2019/08/floyd-of-rosedale-project-moves-forward/
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 16, 2019, 01:57:18 PM
more hogs in Iowa than any other state
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 16, 2019, 02:01:14 PM
Random photo apropo pf whatever:

(https://i.imgur.com/Ri72gbr.jpg)

That is the chemistry complex to the right.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: rolltidefan on August 16, 2019, 02:25:17 PM
looks like that school stole their 'g' from gordo hs. for shame.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 16, 2019, 02:29:28 PM
We stole it from Green Bay, fair and square.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on August 16, 2019, 02:35:40 PM
I almost miss those Cats from Kansas
We had some good K-State posters back on the old CFN board.  Where did they go?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 16, 2019, 02:48:40 PM
They're still in Kansas

I get a text from Skicat and Wildcatforever once in a while

Ski is still in Manhattan, busy with his son's sports

Forever is still out in the hay field of western Kansas, busy with daughters and defending the criminals
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 16, 2019, 02:49:31 PM
Obviously K-State Lady was the best.  Haven't heard from her in a long time.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 16, 2019, 03:26:06 PM
She went through a lot of stuff.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: rolltidefan on August 16, 2019, 03:48:49 PM
bama added some new LED lighting to stadium.

https://twitter.com/AlabamaFTBL/status/1162368351211008008/video/1
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 16, 2019, 04:08:28 PM
College football turns 150: All-Time All-America team features the game's greatest ever

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/college-football-turns-150-all-time-all-america-team-features-the-games-greatest-ever/amp/?fbclid=IwAR0jB2Ck_0h_k838ibvFm_4gvt90gdBxbtQUG_jsR5_usUkg0b0XCzJv9zo (https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/college-football-turns-150-all-time-all-america-team-features-the-games-greatest-ever/amp/?fbclid=IwAR0jB2Ck_0h_k838ibvFm_4gvt90gdBxbtQUG_jsR5_usUkg0b0XCzJv9zo)


CBS Sports All-Time All-America First Team

Quarterback -- Tommie Frazier (Nebraska, 1992-95): Frazier was best appreciated as time went on. He wasn't the best thrower. He went undrafted after leading Nebraska to consecutive national championships.But his signature play endures -- a 75-yard twisting, turning, tackle-breaking touchdown run against Florida in 1996 Fiesta Bowl.

Running backs -- Herschel Walker (Georgia 1980-82), Barry Sanders (Oklahoma State, 1986-88): Walker was a once-in-a-generation who looked like he could play professionally as a freshman. A three-time All-American, Walker is still the only player to finish in the top three of the Heisman three consecutive years. Sanders was always aloof. He had to be coaxed to a TV interview after winning the Heisman while in Tokyo for a game. But his stop-on-a-dime style may never be surpassed.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 16, 2019, 04:18:10 PM
If we grant the two best RBs are as noted, it is rather amazing to me the were so close together.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: SFBadger96 on August 16, 2019, 04:34:14 PM
Have to go to Fort Lauderdale next week for work. I would think Miami or Fort Lauderdale would be fun spots, but less so the third week of August...

My last job I traveled a lot, which was among the reasons I was happy to leave it. I've had to travel a bit more in the last couple of months, and it's reminding me why I didn't like it.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 16, 2019, 04:37:40 PM
If we grant the two best RBs are as noted, it is rather amazing to me the were so close together.
I didn't read the entire piece.

No mention of Red Grange?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on August 16, 2019, 04:39:42 PM
College football turns 150: All-Time All-America team features the game's greatest ever....

heheheheheee- type in cfb-150.com in your browser and see what happens....  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 16, 2019, 04:40:19 PM
They just listed those two, nobody else.  Obviously a lot of running backs should be mentioned.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 16, 2019, 04:51:32 PM
heheheheheee- type in cfb-150.com in your browser and see what happens.... 
That is some serious sleuthing right there.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on August 16, 2019, 04:52:15 PM
I didn't read the entire piece.

No mention of Red Grange?

Nah, they just picked a standard "1st team AA" sort of thing.  1 QB, 2 RBs, TE, WR, 5 OL, and similar for defense.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 16, 2019, 04:53:34 PM
This is an example of a list I dislike.  It's click bait.  To read someone's OPINION.

In my opinion that's stupid.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on August 16, 2019, 05:03:51 PM
This is an example of a list I dislike.  It's click bait.  To read someone's OPINION.

In my opinion that's stupid.
well... that just like... your opinion... man. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 16, 2019, 05:09:14 PM
If ELA contrived an all time list of whatever, I'd be interested.  If some wonk at CBS does it, I'm not.

The first thing on my list of things I hate are lists.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: rolltidefan on August 16, 2019, 05:23:38 PM
things i hate:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJ882QYzr-M
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 16, 2019, 05:24:53 PM
What about Illinois Nazis?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on August 16, 2019, 05:26:06 PM
well... that just like... your opinion... man.
Love that movie!
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 16, 2019, 05:30:50 PM
I didn't read the entire piece.

No mention of Red Grange?

Grange was mentioned
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on August 16, 2019, 05:37:01 PM
College football turns 150: All-Time All-America team features the game's greatest ever

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/college-football-turns-150-all-time-all-america-team-features-the-games-greatest-ever/amp/?fbclid=IwAR0jB2Ck_0h_k838ibvFm_4gvt90gdBxbtQUG_jsR5_usUkg0b0XCzJv9zo (https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/college-football-turns-150-all-time-all-america-team-features-the-games-greatest-ever/amp/?fbclid=IwAR0jB2Ck_0h_k838ibvFm_4gvt90gdBxbtQUG_jsR5_usUkg0b0XCzJv9zo)


CBS Sports All-Time All-America First Team

Quarterback -- Tommie Frazier (Nebraska, 1992-95): Frazier was best appreciated as time went on. He wasn't the best thrower. He went undrafted after leading Nebraska to consecutive national championships.But his signature play endures -- a 75-yard twisting, turning, tackle-breaking touchdown run against Florida in 1996 Fiesta Bowl.

Running backs -- Herschel Walker (Georgia 1980-82), Barry Sanders (Oklahoma State, 1986-88): Walker was a once-in-a-generation who looked like he could play professionally as a freshman. A three-time All-American, Walker is still the only player to finish in the top three of the Heisman three consecutive years. Sanders was always aloof. He had to be coaxed to a TV interview after winning the Heisman while in Tokyo for a game. But his stop-on-a-dime style may never be surpassed.
1 Sooner and 7 Huskers on the 2-deep.  8 Huskers if you count Johnny Rodgers twice.
How'd we ever win a game against you guys?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 16, 2019, 08:42:41 PM
you didn't while Johnny the Jet and Tommie where playing
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on August 16, 2019, 09:26:59 PM
Johnny didn't play in 1972?  I thought that was his Heisman year.

Maybe he sat out the OU game.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 16, 2019, 09:37:37 PM
72 was a great game, Rogers played


Oklahoma spotted Nebraska 14 points, then roared back in the final quarter to pull out a 17-14 victory and spoil Nebraska's bid for a fourth straight Big 8 title.
 
With a record crowd of 76,587 Thanksgiving Day celebrants on hand, Nebraska found the going mighty tough against the fired-up Sooners. But the Cornhuskers capitalized on an early Sooner miscue - a fumbled punt - and ripped 49 yards to score in the first quarter.

Bill Olds tore through a draw-play hole for the final 14 yards of the nine-play drive, and Nebraska was on top, 7-0, with 7:32 left in the quarter. That held up until the third quarter when Joe Wylie fumbled another punt at the Sooner 40. Six plays later, Dave Goeller leaped over the pile to score and Nebraska led 14-0 with 6:45 left in the third period.

Oklahoma retaliated by driving 76 yards in 11 plays to pull up 7-14. Key plays were two passes by Dave Robertson to Al Chandler and Tinker Owens to keep the Sooners rolling. Joe Washington got the ice-breaker for OU with a one-yard run on fourth down.

Early in the fourth quarter, the Sooners got possession at the NU 36 on a punt, and six plays later it was all tied up, 14-14, with 11:45 left in the game. A 22-yard Robertson pass to Owens and a pass-interference call in the end zone set up the tying score, punched in by Grant Burget from the one.

The Sooners' defense then forced Dave Humm to fumble with 10:07 left, and OU had its chance. Three tries from the NU 27 netted only two yards, but on fourth down Rick Fulcher kicked a 41-yard field goal for the winning points.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on August 16, 2019, 10:14:02 PM
Heh!  I figured he had played.

I remember that game well--watched it on TV.

Sort of the reverse of the '71 game.  Nebraska came back from a halftime deficit in that one.

Sooner fans thought that Greg Pruitt should have won the Heisman that year instead of Johnny.

Or, better yet, in 1971, instead of Pat Sullivan of Auburn.

In '71, Pruitt's stats were: 196 carries, 1,760 yards, 18 TDs, 9.0 ypc, 7 100-yard games, 3 200-yard games.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 16, 2019, 10:40:25 PM
LINCOLN — The happiest man in Memorial Stadium Thursday may have been Larry Lacewell, the Oklahoma assistant coach in charge of defense.

He was hoping he would see a rerun of a crucial situation that dictated the outcome of Nebraska's epic 35-31 victory the year before in Norman, Okla.

The situation that developed Thursday during Oklahoma's 17-14 vindication was close enough for Lacewell.

A year earlier, his team had been protecting a 31-28 lead late in the game when Nebraska pulled it out with a 74-yard, 12-play march.

Thursday, Lacewell's team held a 17-14 lead when Nebraska tried to start scoring drives three times in the last eight-and-a-half minutes. The Sooners forced a punt on the first series and settled the issue with two interceptions by junior cornerback Kenith Pope.

'I knew We Could'
"There aren't many moments like this in a lifetime," gushed Lacewell, moments after the clock ran out. "After last year when they stuck it right down our throats, we talked about it a thousand times.

"I knew that if we could get Nebraska for one more chance like last year, with six or seven minutes left, we could stop the rush, and we did.

"We knew we could stop the rush, but we had to stop their passing game. The difference this year was in the three-man rush. We were dropping everyone else off (to protect against the pass).

"I think we've got the three best down linemen (Raymond Hamilton, Lucious Selmon and Derland Moore) in the country. We were rushing only three guys, and they still put more pressure on Humm (Husker quarterback Dave) than he's had all year."

Humm's Poorest Day
Oklahoma's strategy of dropping off eight defenders into the zone pass coverage was perhaps the major factor in the Sooners' upset victory.



Read more: https://dataomaha.com/huskers/history/game/1972-11-23-oklahoma#ixzz5wp38msbo
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on August 16, 2019, 10:54:31 PM
Good stuff there, Fearless.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 16, 2019, 11:07:14 PM
Huskers have good history archives

history is important to old guys with poor memories

Huskers went to the Orange bowl and Rodgers ran over Notre Dame

Sooners went to the Sugar
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 16, 2019, 11:14:40 PM
Sweet Sugar
With that second interception, Oklahoma presented Coach Chuck Fairbanks with his 50th victory and a sweet tuneup for the Sugar Bowl against Penn State.

For Devaney, the loss was only his 20th in 11 years. His victory figure stuck on 100. He has tied two.

For 17 graduating seniors, it was only the second loss in three years. The home-field winning streak died at 23 games.

Almost lost in the shuffle of the titanic defensive struggle was the Heisman Trophy battle between flanker Rodgers and Sooner halfback Greg Pruitt.

Rodgers won the personal duel by default as Pruitt, never able to perform effectively after suffering an ankle injury the previous week, carried only twice for seven yards before retiring for good on the last play of the first quarter.

Rodgers, who has never received such rude treatment in three years, rushed four times for seven yards, caught three passes for 41 yards, fielded only one punt for seven yards and returned two kickoffs 44 yards.

Score Nullified
His big chance to dazzle the national television audience went for naught when a 43-yard apparent touchdown pass play was nullified because Rodgers had stepped out of bounds while running his pass route.

That play may have been crucial. Nebraska was leading 7-0 just before the half and a two touchdown lead may have given the Huskers helpful momentum.

Then again, it may have just forced the Sooners to go their passing game sooner. Those who say wishbone-T teams can't play catchup should have seen the Sooners wipe out Nebraska's 14-0 lead in the third quarter.

Husker cornerback Zaven Yaralian had to wish he hadn't seen it. The California junior college transfer drew the high-pressure assignment of playing the wide receiver man-to-man.

For the second year in a row, the Huskers had few answers for stopping the Oklahoma passing game. Sooner quarterback Dave Robertson, maligned as a poor substitute for graduated Jack Mildren, had much the better of his competition with celebrated soph Humm.

Robertson completed 10 of 22 passes for 186 yards.

Sooners Boom
On the ground, Oklahoma nearly doubled Nebraska's production, 141-77.

With Pruitt out, the bulk of the work went to fullback Leon Crosswhite, who responded with 95 grueling yards on 29 carries. Freshman Joe Washington, who played much more than starter Joe Wylie, gained 41 on 16 attempts.

Substitute tailback Dave Goeller was Nebraska's ground leader with 63 yards. Another chief factor in the outcome was Humm's 38 yards in losses. On two of those sackings when he was attempting to pass, he fumbled.

The second one, with 10 minutes left in the game, led to Rick Fulcher's eventual winning field goal. Humm was blindsided by Derland Moore, and Lucious Selmon recovered the loose ball at the Husker 27-yard line.

On fourth-and-eight, Fulcher, a senior from California who had earlier missed from the 45 and 41, barely cleared the north crossbar with 8:44 remaining.

Blackshirts Stout
Nebraska played at its opportunistic best while building its 14-0 lead. The defensive set up both touchdowns and was handling the Sooner rushing game with ease — but that was before Oklahoma was forced to pass.

Strangely, it was Pope, the eventual hero, who got things rolling for Nebraska. He bungled a fair catch attempt and Jeff Moran recovered for the Huskers at the OU 49.

Humm, enjoying his best series of the afternoon, completed third-down passes of 15 yards to tight end Jerry List and 12 yards to I-back Goeller to put the ball in position for fullback Bill Olds to score on a perfectly-executed draw play from the 14.

Olds had a gaping hole and easily evaded a diving attempt by linebacker Rod Shoate at the line of scrimmage before romping in.

The two old rivals slugged it out in a superb defensive matchup until the middle of the third quarter when Wylie returned Rich Sanger's 51-yard punt.

The tackle was made by List and Marvin Crenshaw and List recovered 24 yards from the Sooner goal.

Goeller Goes
Goeller did the major damage on this six-play drive when he ripped 16 yards on a delayed handoff. He also made it a two-touchdown lead when he followed Olds between Crenshaw and Mike Beran on an isolation shot to the right side from the one with 6:45 left in the third quarter.

At that point, Nebraska's lead appeared safe. With 6-4 split end John Carroll sidelined earlier with injury, Oklahoma's passing game should have been ailing.

But such thinking would mean overlooking backup receiver Tinker Owens. That would be easy to since Tinker is only a freshman and a skinny 6-0, 168.

But he comes from class football stock. Older brother Steve was the Sooners' Heisman Trophy winner in 1969.

Young Owens ended up burning Yaralian for five receptions and 106 yards.

A 38-yarder started the comeback late in the third quarter. Robertson hit tight end Al Chandler for 16 yards and Owens for 13 in a 76-yard drive that took 11 plays.

Owens Culprit Again
It was fourth and one when Washington took a pitchout to his right, eluded Joe Blahak's game attempt to catch him behind the line and stepped into the end zone.

Fulcher's kick made it 14-7 with 2:15 left in the third quarter.

Oklahoma had good field position early in the fourth quarter when Wylie returned a punt 11 yards to the Husker 36. Again Owens was the main culprit.

He caught a sideline pass, slipped a Yaralian tackle and was downed by Dave Mason at the 10 after a 22-yard gain.

Two plays later, the only penalty of the game put Oklahoma a yard from the goal. Yaralian was found guilty of interfering with Owens in the end zone.

Substitute halfback Grant Burget scored from there, and Fulcher got the tying point and later the winner.

Oklahoma took home all the prizes when Robertson and Pope were named the game's outstanding offensive and defensive players.



Read more: https://dataomaha.com/huskers/history/game/1972-11-23-oklahoma#ixzz5wpBerV3I
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on August 17, 2019, 12:36:29 AM
The house is done, the sale has closed, the moving is done.  Now time to spend weeks unpacking.  The egg will be put to use this weekend.  The Savant install is about half complete.  Should be done before next weekend.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on August 17, 2019, 01:21:48 AM
That's a hell of a stream of unconsciousness, FF.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 17, 2019, 08:28:39 AM
My wife is a bit manic when there is something to be done.  She is not a procrastinator at all.  When we had moved, she was going crazy wearing herself out unpacking.  After a few days, I INSISTED, and it took some insistence, we take the day off and go for a walk.  It was a beautiful day in May.  We explored the park and the botanical garden and had a nice lunch there and relaxed.  I was surprised she could relax, at first she was tense thinking about all she had to do, but a dose of nature soothed her spirits I think.

We came back in a much better mood, more calm, and unpacked a bit more and had a nice dinner.  It'll all be there tomorrow.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 17, 2019, 09:21:57 AM
I have seen a bit of speculation that Jake Fromm might come back for Year Four.  Maybe going to the NFL would mean a pay cut?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 17, 2019, 09:37:29 AM
maybe Jake is enjoying his present situation?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 17, 2019, 09:41:57 AM
I imagine being QB1 at a major program is enjoyable, and he appears to relish the "work" part of the equation.  He's not on track to set any QB records though he has a shot at most wins, which I think is 42 (David Greene).  He's at 22 I think as a starter.

Some folks think he would be a top ten pick, which in general means you should go, but his family appears to be at least middle class and not hurting.

And you have the injury possibility which can be allayed with insurance.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 17, 2019, 10:04:54 AM
the NFL is a job, maybe more fun than most jobs, but a job

not that playing for a top SEC program isn't serious and hard work

I would always tell kids to enjoy their college experience and get the degree

if he's a top 10 pick the NFL will always be there waiting with boat loads of cash

the maturity will be an asset
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 17, 2019, 10:10:18 AM
I'm friends with a number of ex-major leaguers from Fantasy Camp and they all talk about the "job aspect" of playing professional ball today.  Back in the day, a Mantle could party until 3 AM and get up late and play the next afternoon.  They don't do that any more, there are too many players who treat it as a near 24/7/365 job.  They train every day in the off season and come to camp in top condition.  They are in good shape even today mostly in their 40s and 50s, though they all have shoulder problems.

Of course it's well compensated work.  I know playing in the minors in baseball is not much fun in the main after a few years.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on August 17, 2019, 10:24:18 AM
I'm friends with a number of ex-major leaguers from Fantasy Camp and they all talk about the "job aspect" of playing professional ball today.  Back in the day, a Mantle could party until 3 AM and get up late and play the next afternoon.  They don't do that any more, there are too many players who treat it as a near 24/7/365 job.  They train every day in the off season and come to camp in top condition.  They are in good shape even today mostly in their 40s and 50s, though they all have shoulder problems.

Of course it's well compensated work.  I know playing in the minors in baseball is not much fun in the main after a few years.
Hell, its a job by high school now.  MLB has the "Don't retire kid" campaign now to fight against picking one sport too early, which makes sense for baseball, because that is partly why it's dying at the younger ages.  Kids always played baseball during the summer, and up through high school played multiple sports.  If by then they figured out baseball was their best, they stuck with it.  When you have to pick one sport by age 11, no kid is picking baseball.  My 6 year old already gets some shade for playing baseball and soccer simultaneously, although it's not his fault our local baseball organization does a stupid split season that runs late March-Memorial Day, then late August-late October.

Tell you who hates their life.  6 year olds and their parents at a tee ball game on October 26 under the lights, when its 42 degrees out.

But back to the point, the minor leagues are brutal.  Top picks at least get a decent bonus, but whatever you get there has to hold you over.  Once you make the majors you make a liveable wage, but the young superstars are still grossly underpaid.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 17, 2019, 11:29:32 AM
When the kids were young, I always dreaded them getting licensed to drive. When the first one got his license, I was absolutely relieved.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 17, 2019, 12:13:51 PM
I played for about 8 years in MSBL in Cincy, Men's Senior Baseball League.  It was a lot of fun, we had two ex-minor leagures and one guy who pitched for the Expos on our team, and I got to know some of the other guys.  One older guy on another team was a former Reds pitcher, he was probably 55 or so.  He threw every pitch right down the middle of the plate, and hard, probably 80 mph.  We were walking off together one night after I had two hits off him and asked him why he didn't throw another pitch and he said "I'm just having fun, if people can hit me, fine with me."  Great attitude.  

Of course an 80 mph pitch is a changeup or curve in MLB.  His fastballs had some steam on them and were making that FFFFFFFTTT!!! sound coming in enough to where you didn't want to get HPB.  I'd choke up and swing knowing where the ball would be.  I was in a posted 90 mph cage once and it was scary.

A guy who can hit corners and change speeds it very hard to hit.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on August 17, 2019, 01:23:53 PM
Costco was out of whole packers yesterday, and only had flats. I offered last week to smoke a brisket for a get-together with my in-laws, so I needed to make do with what I could. Bought one flat, and I had another left over from using the point of a packer for burger grind. Slathered with sriracha to get the rub to adhere, then rubbed with 50/50 dalmation rub with about 2 teaspoons of ancho/chipotle chile powder mixed in. 

Waiting for these to hit the stall and the bark to develop nicely, then I'll crutch them. I want them very juicy when I slice. 

While I'd rather have had a full packer, at least the benefit of this is that I could start them at 7 AM instead this morning of midnight last night...



(https://scontent-lax3-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/b49fc97090e2e5678cea03e76bba36f4/5DD4CB8F/t51.2885-15/e35/67586053_209732133344334_4097451463640076214_n.jpg?_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-1.cdninstagram.com)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 17, 2019, 02:11:31 PM
I'm checking on flights right now. You can pick me up at John Wayne or Long Beach a little later.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on August 17, 2019, 02:24:02 PM
Costco was out of whole packers yesterday, and only had flats. 
What's the the difference the fat cap?And quit downloading pics of Franklin's Q ;D
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on August 17, 2019, 03:17:31 PM
What's the the difference the fat cap?And quit downloading pics of Franklin's Q ;D
Franklin doesn't know the first thing about a kamado. Or at least didn't, a few years ago, when he had his BBQ with Franklin show on PBS. He had an episode talking about grill styles, and talking about putting a whole split of wood into the firebox of a kamado, which is wrong on so many levels. He cooks with offset smokers... The "pure" way ;-) 

I have recently picked up some customers in Texas, though, and I'm hoping to make a trip to Austin and sample his brisket from the source.

As for the difference, a "whole packer" is comprised of two cuts, the brisket "flat" and the brisket "point". They're separated by a vein of fat between them, but that's a completely different vein than the fat cap, which is on the opposite side of the flat. The point is a lot more fatty than the flat, and is more typically used for burnt ends or chopping, rather than slicing--although you can slice it. 

Typically flats are used for pastrami or corned beef. They tend to run much more expensive on a per-pound basis than whole packers partly due to that usage, and partly also because to prepare a flat, you end up cutting away a lot of fat. When using in a BBQ setting, I prefer the whole packers because you get that fatty point, either for burnt ends or used elsewhere. 

Someday soon I'm planning on giving pork belly burnt ends a try, though... That sounds like fun but I haven't done it yet.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on August 17, 2019, 03:38:04 PM
Kamado is the one like the green egg right?Because that would be way too much heat if it is.Unless Jesus is multipyling fish and bread I'm not waiting 3 hrs in line for anything(Franklin's Q).Well maybe cold beer after prohibition but that's not the case here
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on August 17, 2019, 04:40:53 PM
Yep, kamado is the generic name for a big green egg style cooker. Mine is a brand called Kamado Joe. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on August 17, 2019, 05:34:00 PM
Just did a Beef Loin Strip Steak indirect medium heat.Lightly salted a day ahead with sprinkling of Montreal Steak.about 23 minutes - perfect 140 when rested
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on August 17, 2019, 06:05:05 PM
Tommy John wanted to know how many people change underwear every day. The results might surprise you
Jordan Culver (http://www.usatoday.com/staff/54887/jordan-culver/), USA TODAYPublished 11:55 p.m. ET Aug. 15, 2019 | Updated 10:04 a.m. ET Aug. 16, 2019

A survey released by underwear company Tommy John suggests Americans might not be changing their underwear (https://tommyjohn.com/blogs/news/underwear-hygiene-study).

Or, at least, quite a few aren't bothering to put on a fresh pair every day. 

Tommy John surveyed 1,000 Americans and discovered 45 percent wore the same pair of underwear for "two days or longer." The results of the survey were released this month on Tommy John's website. 

Thirteen percent of those surveyed said they wore the same underwear for a week or more. Tommy John said men were 2.5 times more likely than women to wear the same underwear for a week or more.

In a separate survey of 1,000 people, 46 percent of those surveyed by Tommy John said they owned the same pair of underwear at least one year. An additional 38 percent said they had no idea how long they owned their oldest pair of underwear. 

"It’s crucial to update your underwear wardrobe every six months to a year to ensure you’re protected from harmful infections and health risks," Tommy John said. "Women should be especially careful, as they’re more at risk than men to experience health issues due to unclean underwear."

The company even provided a few tips for keeping underwear clean: 


Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on August 17, 2019, 06:09:13 PM
Couldn't have been the guys that flew with you,they had to change every day
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on August 17, 2019, 07:02:45 PM
I look upon the 45% with suspicion, the 13% with shock and dismay.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 18, 2019, 09:16:40 AM
I'm not a fan of surveys 

certainly hope this survey was skewed for the desired result - shocking 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on August 18, 2019, 10:21:43 AM
Prolly quizzing Shark Water swillers
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on August 18, 2019, 05:37:25 PM
I can't stand when people don't take care of their knives. I took the brisket to my sister in law's house last night. I thought beforehand "I should bring my slicing knife", but thought that might be rude. 

When it comes time to slice, she hands me a chef's knife and a honing steel with a "you're gonna need that" look in her eye. No, what I needed was an hour with my whetstones. 

The steel did nothing. It was like trying to slice brisket with a butter knife.

C'mon, people, sharpen your damn knives! 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on August 18, 2019, 08:58:58 PM
Ha! I've been getting into old oilstones lately have had much better luck than water stones - spend as much time re-flattening(lapping) them as sharpening.Got two old stones friday at a garage sale very hard,probably fine maybe extra fine stones,have to clean them up and lap them with silicone grit or wet/dry 100 grit sand paper
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 19, 2019, 07:21:35 AM
It's interesting to look at an SEM of a dull knife.

https://www.popularwoodworking.com/woodworking-blogs/sharp-and-dull-for-an-electron-microscope/ (https://www.popularwoodworking.com/woodworking-blogs/sharp-and-dull-for-an-electron-microscope/)

https://makezine.com/2015/12/04/sharpening-knife-microscope/ (https://makezine.com/2015/12/04/sharpening-knife-microscope/)

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on August 19, 2019, 08:14:25 AM
I can't stand when people don't take care of their knives. I took the brisket to my sister in law's house last night. I thought beforehand "I should bring my slicing knife", but thought that might be rude.

When it comes time to slice, she hands me a chef's knife and a honing steel with a "you're gonna need that" look in her eye. No, what I needed was an hour with my whetstones.

The steel did nothing. It was like trying to slice brisket with a butter knife.

C'mon, people, sharpen your damn knives!

I always take my own slicing knife when cutting BBQ away from my home.  Roast slicers are cheap and easy to come by, but people that don't regularly cook brisket never have one.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on August 19, 2019, 08:18:36 AM
There s a guy in town that does a great job sharpening blades around here.   You wrap them, drop em at this lady's little boutique shop and he brings them back to your house in a couple days.

Quirky dude.  He sets up shop at the farmers market too for people. 

Yeah, sharp knives people.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on August 19, 2019, 08:20:59 AM
I've got a guy who has a van with his equipment and will come to your home or place of business.  He does a great job.  I'll hone my knives regularly, but when it's time to sharpen, I let him do it.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 19, 2019, 08:29:34 AM
I remember peeling an apple with my granddad's paring knife when I was about 11.  I barely touched my thumb and was bleeding.  I was amazed, my mom had dull knives, her dad didn't.  Note to self.

He had a wheel out in the shop and used it.  I was a large while wheel you turned by hand.  Worked great.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 19, 2019, 08:31:26 AM
I don't know if I mentioned by the Instapot ribs cooked very nicely.  However, I bought them at Kroger "preseasoned" as neither of us liked the seasoning much.  Duh.

Will definitely do again with my own dry rub preparation.  Baby backs, I like the fall off the bone level, and they were.  35 minutes.  I might dial back slightly.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on August 19, 2019, 08:57:28 AM
I always take my own slicing knife when cutting BBQ away from my home.  
That'd be a slap in the face to any one accomplished in the Culinary Arts.I know you'd prolly wait and see if they were having problems before you produced the Wilkenson Sword
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on August 19, 2019, 09:03:07 AM
That'd be a slap in the face to any one accomplished in the Culinary Arts.I know you'd prolly wait and see if they were having problems before you produced the Wilkenson Sword
No no, you misunderstand and I totally agree.  If someone else is cooking/cutting then I don't do anything.  I drink beer and wait for the food like a normal guest. :)

But it's fairly common for me to cook BBQ and then take it elsewhere for serving.  Might be to my parents' house, might be to a to my brother's house or a friend's house, might be a catering-style gig for the church or charity which I still do fairly regularly.  Those are the cases I'm talking about.  Most people don't have decent knives, especially not for carving brisket. So I always take my own.  

Heck, even my dad who taught me everything I know about BBQ, doesn't have a good knife.  Maybe I'll buy him one for his birthday or something.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on August 19, 2019, 09:05:22 AM

Will definitely do again with my own dry rub preparation.  Baby backs, I like the fall off the bone level, and they were.  35 minutes.  I might dial back slightly.
I tried Montreal Seasoning & Mrs Dash Original with a dash of cumin and they came out great.Or I tried one from Bobby Flay that was good 1 tablespoon cumin,1 tablespoon paprika,1 tablespoon granulated garlic1 tablespoon granulated onion,1 tablespoon chili powder,1 tablespoon brown sugar,2 tablespoons kosher salt,1 teaspoon cayenne pepper,1 teaspoon black pepper,1 teaspoon white pepper.I didn't use the Brown Sugar as I don't care for it and mine went into the crock pot with no fluids of any kind and rendered down rather nicely
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on August 19, 2019, 09:13:48 AM
No no, you misunderstand and I totally agree.  If someone else is cooking/cutting then I don't do anything.  I drink beer and wait for the food like a normal guest. :)

But it's fairly common for me to cook BBQ and then take it elsewhere for serving.  Might be to my parents' house, might be to a to my brother's house or a friend's house, might be a catering-style gig for the church or charity which I still do fairly regularly.  Those are the cases I'm talking about.  Most people don't have decent knives, especially not for carving brisket. So I always take my own. 

Heck, even my dad who taught me everything I know about BBQ, doesn't have a good knife.  Maybe I'll buy him one for his birthday or something.
BTW you wouldn't be hurting my feelings as I'm not accomplished in the Culinary Arts.A gourmund not a gourmet - you can stop over anytime just bring some Liv Oak with ya.I could carve up a 500 lb Tuna problem is Cindy is mostly vegetarian now and the grand kids don't eat much and that leaves me to experiment on my stuff
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 19, 2019, 09:19:52 AM
Why do folks use Kosher salt instead of regular salt?  Because it's (usually) iodide free?  Sea salt usually is as well.

Anyway, my dry rub is paprika based with a good bit of pepper and fine bay leaf and regular old salt and whatever else strikes my fancy at the time.  I have included some brown sugar, but it usually turns into a hard clump once I open the package.  

The wife likes sea salt and we must have 20 different varieties in the cabinet.  It all tastes like salt to me.  I'm not picky.  I read a great book about the significance of salt to human history and civilizations.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on August 19, 2019, 09:31:51 AM
I usually hit up the salt silos of the Dept.of Transportation
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 19, 2019, 09:43:22 AM
In France, they make quite a deal over sea salt in cooking.  It can be from this region or that, etc.  To me, it's sodium chloride with some impurities.

I don't generally like impurities, in mind or in salt.  Some folks can taste the iodide added to Morton's, I can't.

The wife smells all sorts of things I don't, probably because A) I don't pay attention, and B) because I spent 4 plus years around very smelly organosulfur compounds.

I have her taste the wine at restaurants instead of me.  She spots a corked wine quickly when I might just not really pay enough attention.

I like wine, obviously, but I do not have a very discerning palate.  

Almost one full percent of our air is Argon, and of course most of it is nitrogen.  I recall some ads for tires that were "nitrogen inflation".  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 19, 2019, 09:47:26 AM
I generally use Morton's Kosher salt in my cooking. We have black salt from Hawaii (looks cool as a finishing element) and that pink salt from Costco. The wife likes to use that stuff. For brining, I just use the fine sea salt from Costco. For my rubs, I use smoked salt most of the time (I don't have a proper smoker so this helps with flavor).

I also have some truffle salt, but it doesn't get used a whole lot. 

So, we have six salts in the house.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 19, 2019, 09:51:33 AM
What is the advantage of Kosher salt?  I know of one, exsanguinating meat.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on August 19, 2019, 09:53:05 AM
I like using alternate pepper too (beyond black).   Pink and green peppercorns are pretty cool, and white pepper for fish(es).
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 19, 2019, 09:55:15 AM
What is the advantage of Kosher salt?  I know of one, exsanguinating meat.


Aside from that (which is not necessary for the most part when you buy from a butcher or store), I can't think of anything other than that's the stuff Alton Brown uses in his cooking/recipes. Since I respect him more than any other chef out there, it's what I use in most of my cooking - regardless of author/recipe/creation.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on August 19, 2019, 09:56:06 AM
advantages?   well, no iodine, though don't ask me to explain that.   I like the texture, and control over amounts used.  On the flip side,  it ain't good for baking (usually) and I wouldn't finish with it.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 19, 2019, 10:01:20 AM
Iodide is added to table salt (usually) and some people can detect the taste of it.

It's a thyroid thing.

I've been using sea salt of late just to try and get rid of the thousands and thousand of jars of the stuff laying around in my spice cabinet.  I managed to get a spice cabinet as part of the kitchen redo but I still am afflicted with sea salt containers.

I have pondered emptying several of them to send them home.

I personally think a lot of this is hype, but as I say, my taste buds are not the best.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 19, 2019, 10:02:33 AM
I like using alternate pepper too (beyond black).  Pink and green peppercorns are pretty cool, and white pepper for fish(es).
Yep, I have a lot of different peppers too. Green for sure, if you cook any French foods.

Why are we not putting this conversation into our cookbook, up to the North a bit on this board?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 19, 2019, 10:04:56 AM
It's kind of like colors to me.  Some folks see scarlet, I see red.  Some see chartreuse, I don't even know what color that is.  Maize?  It's yellow.  Or corn.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on August 19, 2019, 10:05:41 AM
Baking recipes tend to call for table salt, if you substitute kosher or sea salt with larger crystals, you should almost double the amount of salt you're using to get the proper ratio by weight.  Even then I feel like table salt distributes better in the finished product because of its smaller crystal size.

Some people don't like the taste of the iodide that's added to table salt.  It doesn't really bother me I guess. 

But for my BBQ rub I use kosher salt and I also use coarse ground black pepper, 16-mesh.  The bark develops better with the larger salt crystals and coarser pepper.  I also use paprika in the rub, you don't get a lot of flavor from it after 8-12 hours on the smoke, but you do get some color in the bark, and most importantly it acts as a carrying agent to help distribute the salt and pepper without over-seasoning.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on August 19, 2019, 10:13:48 AM
Agreed, I think the main time to prefer kosher salt over table salt is due to the coarseness, not anything related to flavor.

Although the flavor can be preferred if you want to avoid iodine, and avoid any of the impurities associated with sea salt, because kosher salt is just NaCl. But vs a non-iodized table salt, the only reason to use kosher is when you want a more coarse size. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on August 19, 2019, 10:29:29 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mh3QVZnOAsg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mh3QVZnOAsg)

Pretty interesting tutorial on knife sharpening on oil/water stones.This guy is dialed in and decent
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 19, 2019, 10:41:50 AM
The Costco "fine" sea salt works well for baking.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on August 19, 2019, 11:43:48 AM
I do wish more recipes were based on weights and not volumes. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: GopherRock on August 19, 2019, 12:19:23 PM
I'm  not sure this discussion is worth it's salt. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on August 19, 2019, 12:38:53 PM
I'm skeptical of the idea that the iodine in iodized salt imparts an "iodine" flavor.

First, there is no proven basis for iodine to have a taste or smell (the two components of flavor). We presently understand salt, sour, sweet, bitter, and umami as the only activatable tastes -- with very few other theoretical candidates liable to be added to that list (candidates must have a unique taste mechanism (use unique neurons/receptors) and have an effect fully separate from smell and mouthfeel. "Oleogustus" (awful rancid fat) is an example that could be added as a sixth basic taste. "Iodine" is nowhere near the docket. So what is the idea? That iodine activates a constellation of basic tastes (salt and sour, for example) that NaCl alone cannot -- or that iodine has a distinct mouthfeel? We should doubt that.

Even then (and second) salt and sour are (I'll check my records after lunch) perhaps literally our least sensitive tastes (orders of magnitude less sensitive than, say, bitterness) and the "NaCl" composition of iodized salt is ~99%. I doubt that leaves enough room for enough iodine to activate an insensitive taste** ... which may be impossible anyway since, as before, I also doubt that taste even exists.

**(of course these quantities of "enough" are measured by concentration, not percent, so this could conceivably be overcome by adding a massive - even unpalatable - amount of iodized salt, to hopefully "see if we can taste iodine" but you can't do that without adding so much NaCl to distract)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 19, 2019, 01:42:53 PM
It's actually iodide of course.  I think it could have some flavor for some folks, not me.

Speaking of BBQ, I snagged $100 of gift cards for $80 at Costco for Fox Bros, BBQ and the wife and I went for lunch.  She had brisket and ribs combo with fried okra and Brunswick stew sides, I had half rack with sames side.  I give them a solid A for brisket, akin to last visit.  I'd say B+ for ribs.  The okra was A+, they use whole okra less the stem, and it was delicious.  The Brunswick stew was a B, for me.  The place is packed every day.  I took a gander at their "ovens" and they appear to be serious about it all.  The tab was $45, we both had sweet tea, which the wife adores.  She had never had sweat tea before she met me (nor grits for that matter, nor friend chicken beyond 
whatever it is KFC serves).

Next time for me it'll be just brisket, it's probably the best I've had in a restaurant.  They are from Texas, so I suppose this makes sense.  I think they need a bit of help on the stew, but it's not bad at all, it's just a southern thang.


http://foxbrosbbq.com/fox-bros-home.html (http://foxbrosbbq.com/fox-bros-home.html)

The wife's best friend in life (other than me, maybe) lives in Brazil and is visiting in November.  She's French (originally) and knows nothing about the ATL or the South.  The wife wants to take her there.  We had enough left over ribs for dinner.

Whenever y'all come down we'll give it a shot.  They have liquor also.
 (http://www.foxbrosbbq.com/)

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on August 19, 2019, 01:48:06 PM
I'd never even heard of Brunswick stew before you and perhaps some other southern-types mentioned it on these very messages boards, a few years back.  Still can't say I've ever been to a place that had it on the menu.  A southern thang indeed.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on August 19, 2019, 01:51:04 PM
It's actually iodide of course.  I think it could have some flavor for some folks, not me.
It can't have a flavor without a taste mechanism or smell mechanism. And to have either there would need to be a unique form of receptors in the nose or tongue that responds to Iodide and not, for example, NaCl or H+. And there is no current physiological basis for this being real.

So we have these options:

1) that receptor exists (and is sufficiently sensitive to be stimulatable by palatable table salt concentrations) but has not yet been undiscovered

2) it's an illusion

#1 is not impossible but I strongly favor #2
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 19, 2019, 02:23:40 PM
I'd never even heard of Brunswick stew before you and perhaps some other southern-types mentioned it on these very messages boards, a few years back.  Still can't say I've ever been to a place that had it on the menu.  A southern thang indeed.

My Daddy told me the best way to judge a BBQ joint was by their BS.  

https://www.thespruceeats.com/brunswick-stew-recipes-4144882

(https://i.imgur.com/myLTnrC.jpg)




 (https://www.thespruceeats.com/brunswick-stew-recipes-4144882)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 19, 2019, 02:26:13 PM
https://thebrunswicknews.com/news/local_news/stewbilee-brings-the-best-out-of-brunswick-stew/article_08615a04-03f1-50b2-84fb-2684199d47d7.html (https://thebrunswicknews.com/news/local_news/stewbilee-brings-the-best-out-of-brunswick-stew/article_08615a04-03f1-50b2-84fb-2684199d47d7.html)

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 19, 2019, 02:30:15 PM
It's somewhat akin to chili, as you might guess from the appearance.  It can be pretty spicey, like chili, or not.  It will have lima beans, or should, and corn, unlike most chili.  The best IMHO has both chicken and pulled pork and not too many taters, if any, and be tomato based.  The minors vary all over, again like chili.  It makes for a hreaty meal with some corn bread and sweet tea.

Somebody should start a cooking thread.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on August 19, 2019, 09:18:11 PM
. . . Almost one full percent of our air is Argon, and of course most of it is nitrogen.  I recall some ads for tires that were "nitrogen inflation".
I understand that the oxygen in regular causes the insides of the tires to deteriorate.

I enjoyed the sharpening video.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on August 19, 2019, 09:38:30 PM
The Brunswick stew looks good, I'd certainly try it.  Not sure what it has to do with BBQ, other than some versions that say they call for pulled pork?  But it also says traditionally it was made with small game like squirrel and rabbit, so that also doesn't sound particularly BBQy.  But I'd for sure be happy to try some, if/when I ever encounter it!  I certainly don't have anything against eating small game like rabbit, as we've discussed I have a particular affinity for French provincial cuisine and rabbit tends to be a common part of it.

It really does seem like we should have a food/cooking thread doesn't it???
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on August 19, 2019, 09:47:50 PM


It really does seem like we should have a food/cooking thread doesn't it???

We do. Threads just devolve into cooking more often than they devolve into UM/OSU topics... 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on August 19, 2019, 10:00:08 PM
The Brunswick stew looks good, I'd certainly try it.  Not sure what it has to do with BBQ, other than some versions that say they call for pulled pork?  But it also says traditionally it was made with small game like squirrel and rabbit, so that also doesn't sound particularly BBQy.  But I'd for sure be happy to try some, if/when I ever encounter it!  I certainly don't have anything against eating small game like rabbit, as we've discussed I have a particular affinity for French provincial cuisine and rabbit tends to be a common part of it.

It really does seem like we should have a food/cooking thread doesn't it???
Hand-killed rabbit tasted great in Ranger School.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 20, 2019, 07:47:22 AM
https://247sports.com/college/georgia/Article/WATCH-UGA-players-vs-coaches-Matthew-Boling-in-4x100-relay-134592387 (https://247sports.com/college/georgia/Article/WATCH-UGA-players-vs-coaches-Matthew-Boling-in-4x100-relay-134592387)

Coaches against players in 4 x 100 at UGA, with a ringer running the final leg, some ringer.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on August 20, 2019, 08:12:01 AM
Hand-killed rabbit tasted great in Ranger School.
The Head Hunters deep in the Rain Forest were just waiting for you guys to land  O:-)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on August 20, 2019, 02:14:57 PM
Fortunately, none of us lost our heads.

Although, come to think of it, there were a lot of guys--about 2/3 of the class--who were there one day and gone the next.

Maybe the headhunters got 'em in the middle of the night.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on August 20, 2019, 02:56:48 PM
nothing to see here.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on August 20, 2019, 03:22:24 PM
I've never hand-killed a rabbit as far as I know.

I have eaten rattlesnake that I whacked with a hoe out at the ranch.

Tastes like rabbit.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 20, 2019, 03:33:11 PM
I tossed a rock and hit a rabbit in the head killing it when I was a kid, maybe 12-13 years old.

Yes, I skinned it and cooked it.  Wasn't real good, cause I had no idea what I was doing.  Certainly wasn't going to ask my mother.

there was no google or youtube back then
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on August 20, 2019, 04:05:22 PM
I was in Boy Scouts when I was 12-13, so I had learned how to cook pretty well over open flame by then.  I probably could have done a decent job cooking that rabbit, but I'm certain I would have done a pretty bad job skinning and cleaning the rabbit...

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 20, 2019, 05:16:36 PM
building the fire in my Grandmother's backyard w/o her knowledge was the tough part
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on August 20, 2019, 07:36:25 PM
I was in Boy Scouts when I was 12-13, so I had learned how to cook pretty well over open flame by then.  I probably could have done a decent job cooking that rabbit, but I'm certain I would have done a pretty bad job skinning and cleaning the rabbit...
We stewed the rabbit and a couple of hand-killed chicken in an ammo can.

We had to skin/pluck and clean them.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on August 21, 2019, 10:08:27 AM
Kill da wabbit!
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 21, 2019, 10:13:08 AM
We stewed the rabbit and a couple of hand-killed chicken in an ammo can.

We had to skin/pluck and clean them.
ya didn't HAVE to skin/pluck, but it tastes much better if ya do
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on August 21, 2019, 10:26:14 AM
Kill da wabbit!

Rabbit Season-Duck Season,Rabbit Season-Duck Season


https://youtu.be/qPtSxZchA34?t=1



That's not the version I remember,where BB flipped the script and DD says Duck Season and Elmer blasts him.The DD with a blackened head and his bill on the other side of his head says to BB"You're despicable".Must have done more versions of this classic
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 21, 2019, 12:57:05 PM
Nah, you might be confusing us with the Kansans, who insist that Kansas is both the hottest and coldest place on the face of the earth at any given time.

Also the most earthquakes...............

https://www.kansascity.com/news/state/kansas/article234125492.html (https://www.kansascity.com/news/state/kansas/article234125492.html)

A county in central Kansas experienced a pretty shocking uptick in seismic activity last week — 11 earthquakes in five days.

It started with a magnitude-2.4 earthquake Wednesday morning just 2 1/2 miles southwest of Hutchinson, Kansas, in Reno County, according to the United States Geological Survey.

There would be 10 more before the week was out.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on August 21, 2019, 01:05:20 PM
They doing any fracking there?  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on August 21, 2019, 01:06:23 PM
Also the most earthquakes...............

https://www.kansascity.com/news/state/kansas/article234125492.html (https://www.kansascity.com/news/state/kansas/article234125492.html)

A county in central Kansas experienced a pretty shocking uptick in seismic activity last week — 11 earthquakes in five days.

It started with a magnitude-2.4 earthquake Wednesday morning just 2 1/2 miles southwest of Hutchinson, Kansas, in Reno County, according to the United States Geological Survey.

There would be 10 more before the week was out.

Oh, the largest was a 4.2?


:34:
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on August 21, 2019, 01:07:30 PM
Oh, the largest was a 4.2?


:34:

Well sure, but earthquakes aren't really their thing.  Tornadoes are.

This was just a bonus.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on August 21, 2019, 01:20:13 PM
I rewatched some How The Earth Was Made, and got to the Yellowstone episode. Reminded me that not only are we overdue for another supereruption (600,000 year average between these and we're at something like 630,000), but the land is upswelling and earthquaking more in the last two decades, which are the signs you'd expect to increase in frequency before the next event. Maybe that's a slow build (say, for the next thousand years). I don't know.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on August 21, 2019, 01:27:28 PM
They doing any fracking there? 
Just going to ask that
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 21, 2019, 01:28:51 PM
They doing any fracking there? 
I'm sure Forever and Ski are trying, but they're not young men any longer
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on August 21, 2019, 02:05:13 PM
I'm sure Forever and Ski are trying, but they're not young men any longer
I set em up, you knock em down. :)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 21, 2019, 02:20:11 PM
The thing about some periodicity of 600,000 years, that figure is very likely plus of minus 20%, or more.  So, we could well be 30,000 years from the next event.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on August 21, 2019, 02:25:19 PM
I think we understand that variance. Still, the uptick in activity (the park is bulging upward at a faster rate and is experiencing more frequent earthquakes) is noteworthy. Maybe that will die down as a sporadic burp. Either way, whether it's for now or the distant future, these are the signs we'd expect to see before a supereruption.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 21, 2019, 02:41:27 PM
how many carbon tax credits will it take to overcome the super-eruption?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 21, 2019, 02:50:09 PM
how many carbon tax credits will it take to overcome the super-eruption?
1.4 teradollars.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on August 21, 2019, 02:57:09 PM
Despite the gaseous constituents of a supereruption have a warming signature and despite how much I giggled about teradollars, I'd strongly expect a supereruption to have the opposite effect and cool the planet. Whether the gases can trap warmth is kind of moot if the sunlight can't get through in the first place. We'd probably be looking at an ice age.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 21, 2019, 03:06:48 PM
Yup, volcanic eruptions of any size exert a cooling effect, often serious.  The amount of CO2 involved is relatively slight.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 22, 2019, 10:14:12 AM
This airport is always packed, ATL.  We got here early, still packed.  Kids, dogs, Dawgs, cats, giraffes ...
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 22, 2019, 11:35:10 AM
The whole pet thing on airplanes really pisses me off. The fake "support pet" thing pisses me off even more.

I'm f'ing allergic to pets. Almost all of them.

Pussification of America.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: utee94 on August 22, 2019, 11:43:20 AM
Don't ever get on a bus in Mexico, then...

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on August 22, 2019, 11:54:33 AM
Our civilization popped up in a flash as far as geologic time frames are concerned. Effectively, we did [looks around] literally everything in an interregnum between ice ages.

Here's a question:

One day an ice age will return. Assuming it happens with a society more like ours than one that could leave the planet or employ other outlandish strategies, how would we respond? What percentage would migrate? How would we feed ourselves? I imagine far more people would die from hunger than from exposure.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 22, 2019, 11:57:13 AM
Don't ever get on a bus in Mexico, then...


Why on God's green earth would I ever even consider such a thing? I don't even get on busses here.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on August 22, 2019, 01:09:19 PM
The Travel Bug and all,expanding your horizons and worldly experiences,seeing how the other half lives
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 22, 2019, 01:11:12 PM
Why on God's green earth would I ever even consider such a thing? I don't even get on busses here.
because boats don't go everywhere
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 22, 2019, 01:14:34 PM
I walk a lot. I drive my car and boat simply to maintain my carbon footprint.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on August 22, 2019, 01:35:44 PM
Our civilization popped up in a flash as far as geologic time frames are concerned. Effectively, we did [looks around] literally everything in an interregnum between ice ages.
(https://i.imgur.com/BTgAKaZ.png)

Hmm, "geologic time" lol ;-) 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on August 22, 2019, 02:09:52 PM
One day an ice age will return. Assuming it happens with a society more like ours than one that could leave the planet or employ other outlandish strategies, how would we respond? What percentage would migrate? How would we feed ourselves? I imagine far more people would die from hunger than from exposure.
The biggest question, as I see it, is how quickly an ice age comes on? 

As you state, "human civilization" is basically ~10,000 years old. But human technology has basically expanded exponentially during that time. We can restrict "civilization" to largely starting with the Sumerians, 6000 years ago. The Chinese can draw back ~5000 years. We get closer with "western" civilization perhaps starting with the Greeks, 3000 years ago. Continue through the Romans, and then the dark ages, and I'd say we don't get all that close to anything even approaching "modern" until at least the Enlightenment. That was the rise of the study of natural history and modern science. So we're down to 400 years or so.

The true technological age that we recognize is maybe 400 years. Only the last 100 or so would be what we even consider truly "modern" when it comes to mobility [automobile/locomotive/air travel] and communication [telegraph/telephone/radio/TV/internet]. 

If we were to "plunge" into an ice age, on the scale of within 25 years, I think humanity would be well and truly f$&#@d. Over a time span that short, the displacement of people would cause incredible demographic and geopolitical strife, and I think it would cause war and desolation. 

However, let's say that an ice age takes 200 years to really form? In that case, I don't think it's anything we're worried about. We'll either have more than sufficient technology to adapt to the changing climate over that time, or we'll have killed ourselves off through more conventional means (nukes, Skynet/Matrix-style AI, bioterrorism, gray goo, etc) and won't be here to worry about it. 

A quick googles search of "how long does it take an ice age to form" was inconclusive, but I suspect it's a more gradual process than the premise of your question supposes. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Anonymous Coward on August 22, 2019, 02:23:04 PM
That is a key question. I have no idea. Granted, if a volcanic event sparked an ice age ...

Another key question, even then, is the definition of "f$&#@d." I wouldn't favor worries about extinction. Just ... pain.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on August 22, 2019, 02:27:21 PM
Another key question, even then, is the definition of "f$&#@d." I wouldn't favor worries about extinction. Just ... pain.
Well, it depends. My point is that if it comes on suddenly, the worry isn't the ice age. The worry is what we all do to each other while we fight over the rapidly scarce resources. We have some incredible technology for destruction, and who's to say that it wouldn't be unleashed?

Add an ice age to a nuclear winter and thus high doses of radiation, and yeah, maybe not extinction. Maybe the X-Men movies just become reality ;-) 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MichiFan87 on August 22, 2019, 02:35:19 PM
Unfortunately I don't think there's any reason to worry about an ice age any time soon. Humans already know how to heat up the planet as it is.....
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on August 23, 2019, 08:59:27 AM
Pouring the driveway outside my home office window.  This is fascinating to watch for some reason.  
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on August 23, 2019, 09:15:26 AM
The Off-Season is a turrible thing......and it must be stopped.....in our lifetime.......before it killz sumbody
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 23, 2019, 11:13:15 AM
patience, grasshopper
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 23, 2019, 05:26:42 PM
Very windy on GG bridge.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on August 23, 2019, 10:28:18 PM
Grill set up worked out nicely.  Badge can return and we can smoke some oysters.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 23, 2019, 10:39:40 PM
grilled or smoked Oysters

you're ready
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on August 24, 2019, 12:02:45 AM
Looks very nice. I'll help grill if you'll let me lol
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: GopherRock on August 24, 2019, 08:04:24 AM
Pouring the driveway outside my home office window.  This is fascinating to watch for some reason. 
I have no idea why either, but watching a slip-form concrete paving operation is fascinating. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on August 24, 2019, 10:00:08 AM
'You're the guy with the ball to the crotch': The inside story behind the funniest baseball card ever made



https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/27425987/guy-ball-crotch-story-funniest-baseball-card-ever-made (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/27425987/guy-ball-crotch-story-funniest-baseball-card-ever-made)
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on August 24, 2019, 10:03:13 AM
that was a great story.   I had never heard that one before.  I think the super glue part of it was my favorite.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on August 24, 2019, 10:25:54 AM
Ya you don't hear stories like that any more.If you like that try "Temporary Insanity" by Jay Johnstone, "The Umpire Strikes Back" by Ron Luciano or even "Catcher in the Wry" by Bob Eucker - all funny stories/insights into the Game
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on August 24, 2019, 12:04:04 PM
the more gameday says 'cfb150' the happier i get... check out cfb-150.com (http://cfb-150.com) when you get a chance...
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 24, 2019, 12:59:07 PM
Love it.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: CWSooner on August 24, 2019, 04:34:17 PM
What I keep hearing and reading is that this is CFB's 150th season.

It's not--it's the 151st season.

Unless there was a season canceled.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 24, 2019, 08:07:39 PM
the more gameday says 'cfb150' the happier i get... check out cfb-150.com (http://cfb-150.com) when you get a chance...
nice
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on August 25, 2019, 08:40:32 AM
the more gameday says 'cfb150' the happier i get... check out cfb-150.com (http://cfb-150.com) when you get a chance...
Didn't have to finaggle things or infringement rights either.Of course we could get an avalanche of trolls
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on August 25, 2019, 09:18:00 AM
https://twitter.com/i/status/1165362793207365632

Urbz on FOX CFB's Kick Off Show
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 25, 2019, 11:05:13 AM
Very very foggy here this AM.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on August 25, 2019, 11:41:09 AM
What wines were you into last nite?
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Cincydawg on August 25, 2019, 08:09:36 PM
Not in wine country yet.  Had an IPA, and an Italian red with dinner.  Nice restaurant.

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on August 25, 2019, 08:19:31 PM
Didn't have to finaggle things or infringement rights either.Of course we could get an avalanche of trolls
seeing as how @847badgerfan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=5) , @ELA (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=55) and at yours truly has the keys to this joint putting us in position we've never had as OUR community formed and grew- we have a plan if things truly took off here...

teaser:  all of y'all become plank holding members in a member group set up as such, and have access to boards others don't, where we keep things straight... 

and the domain name i bought years ago... right about the time i heard in an ESPN developer group that is was happening in 2019... for the mighty cost of $3.99/year.   
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on August 25, 2019, 08:38:54 PM
who wants the honor of shutting this thread down? 

it's the SEASON!!!!!!!!! y'all.... All good things must pass.  

get your final shots in before one of the board elders pulls the carpet out!
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: ELA on August 25, 2019, 08:48:03 PM
I only have 6 days left to trick myself into thinking there will be meaningful offensive changes!?!  Let's keep it open.

Michigan fans know what I'm talking about
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on August 25, 2019, 08:50:12 PM
unless your Arizona or Miami, you're undefeated right now... 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on August 25, 2019, 09:46:04 PM
shut it down,  shut shut it down,  I shut it down, shut it down,  shut shut it down.
Took a toll
From the education
Of a TV station
But look around

Hear go the sound of the wreckin' ball
Boom and Pound
When I
Shut 'em down

Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on August 25, 2019, 11:54:41 PM
#inbe4thelock
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 26, 2019, 06:29:12 AM
3 more days.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on August 26, 2019, 06:49:01 AM
unless your Arizona or Miami, you're undefeated right now...
That's just cold,everybody has somebody
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 26, 2019, 10:47:31 AM
I'll wait for the first B1G game kickoff
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Kris60 on August 26, 2019, 10:55:07 AM
Checking out of a hotel in Hilton Head this morning.  Needed change for the valet.  Stopped by a coffee shop to see if she could break a $20.

Me:  “Can you break a 20?  I need it for the valet.  I’ll buy something if you need.
Her: (after opening the drawer). “No, I don’t have a 20.”  (I can clearly see a ten and a couple of fives and it’s clear she didn’t understand me)
Me:  “No, I need change for a 20.”
Her:  “I don’t have anything.”
Me: (Grabbing a bottle of water).  “If I wanted to buy this bottle of water with a 20 dollar bill would you be able to sell it to me?”
Her:  “Sure.”
Me:  “Then why can’t you change my 20 dollar bill?”
Her: (Clearly confused and mulling this over)
Me: “You know what?  Just give me this bottle of water.”

She sells me the water and gives me 17 dollars in change.  I leave.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: bayareabadger on August 26, 2019, 11:14:19 AM
Checking out of a hotel in Hilton Head this morning.  Needed change for the valet.  Stopped by a coffee shop to see if she could break a $20.

Me:  “Can you break a 20?  I need it for the valet.  I’ll buy something if you need.
Her: (after opening the drawer). “No, I don’t have a 20.”  (I can clearly see a ten and a couple of fives and it’s clear she didn’t understand me)
Me:  “No, I need change for a 20.”
Her:  “I don’t have anything.”
Me: (Grabbing a bottle of water).  “If I wanted to buy this bottle of water with a 20 dollar bill would you be able to sell it to me?”
Her:  “Sure.”
Me:  “Then why can’t you change my 20 dollar bill?”
Her: (Clearly confused and mulling this over)
Me: “You know what?  Just give me this bottle of water.”

She sells me the water and gives me 17 dollars in change.  I leave.
HH is a deeply weird place from a socioeconomic side, especially when it comes to the service industry.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 26, 2019, 02:28:22 PM
it's frustrating, but doesn't surprise me either

been to HH for business and golf
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on August 26, 2019, 03:22:40 PM
Good thing you didn't have to explain a mulligan to her or get change for your BudFat
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 26, 2019, 06:48:14 PM
I could explain it to her, but I can't make her understand it
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on August 26, 2019, 06:58:43 PM
I could explain it to her, but I can't make her understand it
Felt that way when I had to explain PCIe lane polarity inversion tolerance to someone today... 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: FearlessF on August 26, 2019, 07:01:19 PM
slightly different than explaining "changing a $20"
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MarqHusker on August 26, 2019, 07:56:11 PM
I catch a lot of people fumbling over making change or knowing what to do when you give them 20.50 when the bill is 15.50.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Drew4UTk on August 26, 2019, 08:13:05 PM
akin to dipsticks not being able to change out rapidly and accurately, one profession that i find impressive is dealers in Vegas... Craps, Roulette, and Blackjack specifically... with blackjack perhaps the most impressive when all the bases are full and the game is stretched with splits, double downs, ect... running those numbers through your head isn't difficult don't get me wrong.... but doing it as fast as they do and one right after the other, flush, do it again, is just plain impressive.

i've rarely witnessed mistakes with the weekend mid evening dealers.  i've seen some new dealers jack it up playing off peak, but they were pulled with a wicked quickness by their handlers when they did.

honestly, i think they may have simply memorized combinations so it happens at a glance.       
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: GopherRock on August 26, 2019, 08:53:04 PM
I have no idea how dealers at a Vegas crap table keep it all straight, especially if the shooter is hitting numbers, the punters are 3 deep around the table, and chips are flying all over the place. I could listen to a good stickman do his thing all night. 
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: Kris60 on August 26, 2019, 10:12:40 PM
Agree on the dealers. Never really played craps but play a little blackjack.  They make a mistake every now and then but it’s few and far between and in some chaotic environments sometimes too.
Title: Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
Post by: MrNubbz on August 27, 2019, 01:48:21 PM
Put this here too - good story

https://youtu.be/nGx3pgFaQzA