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Topic: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1736 on: July 24, 2019, 10:32:47 PM »
I tend to pull food well below the FDA's approved temps.  I like to walk on the wild side.

My dad always wants to know why my smoked porked tenderloin turns out so great.  It's because I pull it at 140 and let it rest/residual cook, typically up to about 145.  For decades the FDA-approved temp for pork was 160, they recently lowered to pull at 145 and then allow rest, but after the residual cook that still takes it up to the point where it can become dry.


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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1737 on: July 24, 2019, 10:37:24 PM »
Oh and yes-- sugary marinades/rubs over high heat burn.  They're good for slow/indirect, which is why you see so much brown sugar/molasses/honey in rubs and marinades for BBQ (typically pork not beef).  But over direct flame/high heat the sugars burn and taste bad.  Don't do that.

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1738 on: July 25, 2019, 12:01:16 AM »
I tend to pull food well below the FDA's approved temps.  I like to walk on the wild side.

My dad always wants to know why my smoked porked tenderloin turns out so great.  It's because I pull it at 140 and let it rest/residual cook, typically up to about 145.  For decades the FDA-approved temp for pork was 160, they recently lowered to pull at 145 and then allow rest, but after the residual cook that still takes it up to the point where it can become dry.


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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1739 on: July 25, 2019, 12:44:09 AM »
I had some interesting lunch time conversations with female coworkers about the topic.  I wonder if today my questions would have gotten me fired.

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1740 on: July 25, 2019, 08:24:32 AM »
My lunch conversations were technical on both sides.  I needed to understand some things.  We had something called artificial menstrual fluid that we used in testing and the lady told me it wasn't realistic at all.  We had artificial urine for testing absorbents for diapers that was pretty representative of babies under the age of about 1.

Baby urine is simpler stuff.  I was told we had no good way of assessing a potential absorbent in the lab.  Bummer.  At the time, I could only make small lab samples of our potential absorbent material.  Those were the days.

I was asked to talk to a Section Manager about a job in Fem Care, which I said I didn't want.  So, then the Associate Director wanted to talk to me, I said the same thing, happy where I am.  Then the Director called me to have lunch.  Uh oh.  Same story, I told him I was not interested, at all.  He said he would discuss it with the other managers, OK whatever.

Two weeks later I read my transfer announcement on email sent to the entire division.  I was PISSED.  They were scared to tell me face to face.  My reaction probably did my career no good, I should have just gone along with it like a good little boy but I made a stink.  Then, I discovered they had nothing for me to do in Fem Care, at all.  Not a thing.

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1741 on: July 25, 2019, 08:31:11 AM »
I worked on a technology that found its way into a "feminine hygiene product" so I had to learn about the fluid that was to be absorbed.  I had some interesting lunch time conversations with female coworkers about the topic.  I wonder if today my questions would have gotten me fired.

About menstrual blood clotting with Wimenz?We've had some doozies around the water cooler back in the day but that'd make a biker blush.Doesn't work real well when meat marinade is the topic either
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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1742 on: July 25, 2019, 09:31:36 AM »
Menstrual fluid is very hard to model because it varies over time and by individual, viscosity changes a lot.  The absorbent I had to work with had a high level of CaCl2 in it for process reasons and I had to get rid of that because it is a "clotting agent" in effect.  It's akin to the styptic pencil folks used to use on shaving cuts.

AlCl3.

Burns like an SOB.

It turned into an interesting project even though managers kept telling me to drop it.  It's now in a commercial product out there.

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1743 on: July 25, 2019, 10:14:08 AM »
Thanx for keeping us updated on that,secretly we were all piqued
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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1744 on: July 25, 2019, 10:19:57 AM »
I tend to pull food well below the FDA's approved temps.  I like to walk on the wild side.

My dad always wants to know why my smoked porked tenderloin turns out so great.  It's because I pull it at 140 and let it rest/residual cook, typically up to about 145.  For decades the FDA-approved temp for pork was 160, they recently lowered to pull at 145 and then allow rest, but after the residual cook that still takes it up to the point where it can become dry.


I prefer my meat med rare, beef, pork, chicken, venison, ground beef.

nothing good comes from over cooking

something that falls of the bone is usually overcooked
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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1745 on: July 25, 2019, 10:25:07 AM »
Obviously a chuck roast that falls off the bone may be properly cooked.  I like ribs that do that as well.

Trichinosis is not really a threat in the US with undercooked pork.  

The wife likes here steaks "blu rare", which is more than I can "stomach".  I cooked them that way for her though.  It means getting a thick cut.  This little electric grill is a lot better than I ever would have guessed.  I brought up a GFG because I thought we'd have to use that for "grilling".  I used it a few times and thought I would give the electric grill a shot and never looked back.

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1746 on: July 25, 2019, 10:30:02 AM »
a  roast that's been in the oven or crock pot is OK if it falls off the bone, but I'd still prefer it was pink in the middle and wasn't as soft

ribs are commonly praised for falling off the bone, but IMO they are overcooked
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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1747 on: July 25, 2019, 11:11:16 AM »
a  roast that's been in the oven or crock pot is OK if it falls off the bone, but I'd still prefer it was pink in the middle and wasn't as soft

ribs are commonly praised for falling off the bone, but IMO they are overcooked

BBQ ribs can be cooked all the way through and be perfect in flavor and texture.  I don't ever measure internal on my pork spare ribs, but on beef ribs and brisket, typically its final temp is over 200 degrees.  That would be way overcooked for a roast, but it's appropriate for a brisket or beef rib, because that's what it takes for the fat to render, and for all of the collagen to turn to gelatin, resulting in moist, tender, delicious BBQ goodness.

But I do actually like my pork spare ribs with more bite and not completely falling off the bone, which is why I take the extra step post-crutch to expose them for another 20 or 30 minutes to the smoke (or oven) without the foil, which makes them firm up.

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1748 on: July 25, 2019, 12:26:07 PM »
a  roast that's been in the oven or crock pot is OK if it falls off the bone, but I'd still prefer it was pink in the middle and wasn't as soft

ribs are commonly praised for falling off the bone, but IMO they are overcooked
Depends what you're roasting, really. 

A prime rib roast should be rare or med rare. Because it's tender. 

A chuck roast needs to be cooked way past well done to be tender, so meats like that are usually braised for a long time. If it's pink in the middle, it's going to be tough as hell.

If you want a chuck roast (or similar) to be cooked med rare and still tender, the only way to achieve it is with sous vide. 

Agree 100% on ribs. Try to win a KCBS competition with falling off the bone ribs, and they'll say they're way overcooked. But the average rib eater seems to think "OMG they were FALLING OFF THE BONE" is the ideal for ribs. So even though I don't like it as much, I tend more towards overcooking ribs at home because that's what the people ask for. 

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #1749 on: July 25, 2019, 12:28:51 PM »
I like ribs "falling off the bone".

 

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