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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #588 on: March 14, 2019, 10:28:54 PM »
Quote from: MichiFan87 on March 14, 2019, 10:18:31 PM
I'm not saying it's okay or ethical, but that's the legal and commonly understood way to do it. That's all.
just seems odd.  Give the right guy in admissions a million and it's all good
give the wrong guy in admissions $50,000 and it's a crime
but, I do understand that universities can make those decisions based on whatever - it's their choice
they set the rules and it's best to abide by the rules
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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #589 on: March 14, 2019, 10:54:19 PM »
Well said AC.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #590 on: March 14, 2019, 11:36:34 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on March 14, 2019, 10:28:54 PM
just seems odd.  Give the right guy in admissions a million and it's all good
give the wrong guy in admissions $50,000 and it's a crime
but, I do understand that universities can make those decisions based on whatever - it's their choice
they set the rules and it's best to abide by the rules
Yeah, it's not the outcome but the transparency that decides whether it's legal or fraud/racketeering. But since the outcomes are similar, the ethics seem close to similar, and I think that's what is irking you. One includes lying, so the illegal method is not precisely equal, but both give kids unearned prizes and sidestep the hard life lesson of earned consequences. 
Sometimes the best thing that can happen to a young person is to receive bad news that they deserve. Whether done legally or illegally, saving them from the indignity of college rejection by swooping in with a golden ticket is misguided. Having said that, I understand the parents' motivations and bet many of us would do the same thing if in the same situation.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #591 on: March 15, 2019, 08:38:56 AM »
I wish more people would take advantage of what their local colleges have to offer. Like, a good education in a career field, such as manufacturing, welding, dental hygiene, etc. Good/great paying jobs and no student loan debt. 



(That, or use the school to figure out what they want to do - and then transfer. Reduced student debt, for one, and not wasting money/time too.)



Not everyone needs a 4 year degree to get into a career and make money. 
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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #592 on: March 15, 2019, 10:25:19 AM »
You are thinking practically.  Quite a few of "us" simply don't think that way at all.

Other reasons to go to college:

1.  Meet someone educated to get married.
2.  Everyone else is doing it.  My status is damaged if my kids don't go to college.
3.  College is a fun time, you really don't have to do much studying and it delays getting a job.
4.  I wanna be a doctor, it's so cool.
5.  I'm really interested in contemporary art and want to study that.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #593 on: March 15, 2019, 10:35:56 AM »
6) I wanted to practice my plagiarism skills
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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #594 on: March 15, 2019, 10:45:52 AM »
7) I'm a HUGE college football fan!
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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #595 on: March 15, 2019, 10:52:35 AM »
I had two kids turn in two IDENTICAL lab reports, about 4 pages worth, including all of the typos and grammatical errors.  They were in the same frat.  They just copied whatever someone had available.  So, I took them to Honor Court.  What a joke.  The "judges" asked me if I had watched them write their reports, which of course I had not, so they let them go.

I gave them both an F on the report and said if they did that again, they would get an F for the course and they said they would whine to the professor if I did.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #596 on: March 15, 2019, 10:55:23 AM »
8) to beat the hell out of the honor court
PS I didn't know you taught
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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #597 on: March 15, 2019, 11:15:51 AM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on March 15, 2019, 10:55:23 AM
8) to beat the hell out of the honor court
PS I didn't know you taught
I was a teaching assistant, taught labs, boss didn't have money initially.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #598 on: March 15, 2019, 03:05:44 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on March 15, 2019, 10:25:19 AM
1.  Meet someone educated to get married.
Well, there is the suggestion that some ladies go to school for the "Mrs degree". I don't know if you use Instagram, but there's a funny account called "overhearduniversity" -- I saw this just the other day:

And I only wish it were a joke...
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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #599 on: March 15, 2019, 03:09:32 PM »
Quote from: Anonymous Coward on March 14, 2019, 11:36:34 PM
Yeah, it's not the outcome but the transparency that decides whether it's legal or fraud/racketeering. But since the outcomes are similar, the ethics seem close to similar, and I think that's what is irking you. One includes lying, so the illegal method is not precisely equal, but both give kids unearned prizes and sidestep the hard life lesson of earned consequences.
I find it really interesting. You'd think that a sizable "donation" to a school like USC gets the admissions office to perhaps admit a kid who meets the minimum requirements, but is certainly below the averages for who gets admitted. 
I wonder if it's one more step in PoA. It used to be that you donated to the school and then they'd admit your kid. But if they do that, then your kid *knows* that you basically bought their admission. Just think of what that will do to the poor kid's self-esteem? Much better that you do this illegally, behind their back, so that they think they earned it!
What is worst about Lori Loughlin and her husband is apparently their daughter is complete and total twit, who is a "vlogger" and doesn't even want to go or cares about going to college. So they may both end up in jail for a girl who didn't even what what they were bribing people to give her.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #600 on: March 15, 2019, 03:48:44 PM »
Most 17 year olds in my experience have no idea what they "want to do", and it stressed them because they surmise they are unusual.  Everyone else is going to college, except for the real dummies, so they go to college also figuring they will figure it out in college, and it seems like fun, and you might meet the dream of your life.

We've all seen "professional students" who never get past this, they often change majors on a whim and just keep going.

I recall in our high school, there were 4 or 5 "levels" of classes one could take.  The top level was IB, and just below that was AP, and below that was "College Prep".  I think they had some fancy name for whatever was below that also, but I forget what it was.  Plenty of kids took CP level course and went to college somewhere, usually not one of the better options around.

"We" are herd/social animals with a strong urge to "do what everyone else is doing".

The hardest thing in life to be is yourself.

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #601 on: March 15, 2019, 03:50:31 PM »
I was idly looking at US metro areas by population and noted the largest one I've never visited is Providence, RI.  We're headed to Boston end of the month, and I figure I can check that one off, in addition to visiting the NE states I've never visited before, which would leave me with ND and AL as sole remaining, and we're going to Alaska in September.  I expect to leave ND on the shelf.
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